I'm not that smooth talk of an evangelist yet
#lounge
quasi mantle
celest musk
quasi mantle
"Do you see this thing made in Unity? Now watch how we made similar thing in Unreal"
celest musk
pretty talented
slate drift
wew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_ErytGpScQ
I feel like I could watch this forever
Also the GoT soundtrack brought me memories
broken sigil
That last scene is pretty cool
quasi mantle
I feel like I could watch this forever
Same tbh
Eyeballing on how the effects was made
I've been itching to do something with the warping environments, considering one of the quest in my game is supposed to take place in someone's consciousness
celest musk
guess my favorite is at 2:25 never seen something like this used before
slate drift
Why does that seem to me valley of the ancient environment
celest musk
it's the rocks 😛
broken sigil
Oh my keyboard is finally arriving tomorrow, only had to wait 14 days 🥹
celest musk
also those animations are all kinda awesome, wonder if it's all mocap or manually rigged
slate drift
Oh my keyboard is finally arriving tomorrow, only had to wait 14 days 🥹
Which type?
hollow dawn
also those animations are all kinda awesome, wonder if it's all mocap or manuall...
theres a credit to a mocap artist
celest musk
that seems to be the producer of mocap hardware?!
hollow dawn
unreal can use mocap too so...
celest musk
yes, but an good engine doesn't make a good developer/artist 😛
broken sigil
Which type?
Full size, white
https://www.gloriousgaming.com/products/gmmk2
broken sigil
Questionable how long it's gonna be white for but I like how it looks like 😅
slate drift
Ah I missed the white part lol
Well mine is a bit white and yeah you need to keep cleaning it 😦
It's easy to notice the sweat leftovers etc. 💦
Mine 🐼
broken sigil
Ooh I like it
slate drift
You will have a hard time with F1-9 keys if it's your first 60%
I still find it awkward that I have to press the Fn key but I'm over it 
silk lily
unity dev should do a fortnite with their engine ngl
fleet tangle
Assuming it's even possible
pearl elk
What a strange looking wand
quasi mantle
unity dev should do a fortnite with their engine ngl
Yeah, about that....
||Unity almost went that route and make a functional game, before they somehow take down the entire team developing it||
silk lily
WOW really
i think if they went that route,it will improve the engine more to be honest
zinc matrix
The most fun thing about game design is finding the most clever way to solve problems, change my mind.
sage ermine
what language do you think specsavers use for their website backend?
I'm willing to bet it's C#
deep sandal
So has anyone had an issue where they lose a board to go to? For example, I lost the chaos-physics board here but on mobile, it is still there
deep copper
perhaps you have hidden channels that are read
pressing the arrow on category at the top in this case, "programming" might show it
deep sandal
Thanks that did it!
deep copper
Thanks that did it!
and in discord lingo they don't call those boards, it's called channels,
the "server" (unreal slackers) has "categories" (programming, general, content creation, important etc) and those have "channels" (chaos physics, ue5 general, cpp, blueprint) so if you ever need to google stuff, use these terms
infact, if you can't reach/find a channel, sometimes typing the name of channel with a hash like #chaos-physics can link it in a message, send it and click it to get there, though this is generally used to reference a channel
oh and the bottom ones that have speaker mic icon thing next to them are voice chats or vc
deep sandal
Thank you for the tips!
deep copper
aw, you wanted one?
finite lark
cursive crypt
TIL how much water my laundry machine uses - exactly two full buckets. Counted them while swiping the floor.
unborn lotus
that's pretty efficient
cursive crypt
You think? I don't want to count the other programs.
unborn lotus
better test them all and pick the most efficient!
cursive crypt
Suuu-ure
proud jay
damn weddings are such a scam
we asked a price for a location
it was 500 euros for the day
they asked us what date and we gave it
suddenly they realized it was for a wedding
and they're like oh, it's for a wedding, then its 3900 euros
like bro what
exact same thing
6 times as expensive
cursive crypt
That ain't so long ago. I mean, you have been married to UE longer than this.
cursive crypt
Suure, that's why you are still around. You never forget your ex.
That aside, hope you have time and don't rush things with that event.
Too much of stress I have seen.
And depends on your customs and agreements, less the better 🙂
proud jay
I'm somewhere between making it amazing spectacular amazing event (but I'm broke) and keeping it small and on the down low (but I'm less broke)
cursive crypt
This sounds like the game dev dilemma. Go big, but in practice is better to go small.
Also, grape juice. On my last wedding, as a guest ofc, there was a fantastic selection of grape juice (non-alcoholic). Red and white variety. Mmmmm...
cursive crypt
They were vegans.
proud jay
weird
I'll have non-alcoholic out the wazoo though
my brother is recovering alcoholic so don't want to risk it
cursive crypt
That juice was fantastic believe me. I didn't miss any alcohol. And was fun. The man was amateur DJ too, so there was a lot of dancing and burning calories instead.
proud jay
nice
cursive crypt
For when is your date? Next year?
cursive crypt
Aah, have fun. Whatever.
proud jay
it's for may 2024 normally
cursive crypt
oh
proud jay
well ahead of schedule
cursive crypt
Okay, sounds like you have time to set up gradually the things.
proud jay
my gf wants to marry on the same date as her parents
cursive crypt
Tho, this means there can be a lot of options to break until then.
proud jay
but doing that in 2023 would've been cutting it close
like break as in break up?
or what to break
cursive crypt
No, I mean, like restaurant going out of business.
cursive crypt
Or photographer, marrying in zimbabwe or whatever
proud jay
lol
ok zimbabwe is now on the table
well, my gf's family has this nice old farm thing, which could be a good backup location
so I can live with that
cursive crypt
Sounds cool and can be a cozy event, on remote place.
Good news in general tho, wish you all the best for both of you 👍
proud jay
thanks
cursive crypt
Maybe I will be able to finish my first Factorio run with Pynadon's mod until then 🤔
proud jay
what does that mod do
haven't played factorio recently
binge played ratchet and clank rift apart this weekend
cursive crypt
Brings terror of complexity. An average run of Factorio is like 50-100h to complete. An average of that is like 1000h.
Has recipes like converting Limestone to Lime to Calcium Carbide to Acytelene. Stuff like that, I learn a lot for chemistry and production processes with it.
proud jay
hmm
vanilla factorio is already complex enough
my base already looks like shit at the point of green science
cursive crypt
True. Not in recipes way. It has all the gameplay elements you need tho.
Is fine. Some ppl spend like hundred of hours just on one map.
Just optimise, learn new ways, etc.
proud jay
just like coding 😭
cursive crypt
This is the good about it 🤩
ancient ingot
it's bloody freezing 😡
cursive crypt
huh, so it is not only me
ancient ingot
huh, so it is not only me
nope
proud jay
only 4 degrees outside here atm
ancient ingot
Weather in Cardiff, Cardiff
Overcast
Temperature
6°C
Feels Like
5.8°C
High / Low
7.9°C / 5.1°C
Chance of rain
0%
proud jay
went running yesterday in 9 degrees and my face was already freezing
ancient ingot
lol dam
proud jay
already had one today thanks
cursive crypt
Bathroom was cold I bet.
proud jay
but water was warm
ancient ingot
i went to the bathroom 30 minutes before , turned the heating up and closed the door 😂
cursive crypt
Do pushups instead.
ancient ingot
after having back surgery? that wont happen lol
tulip orbit
pfff. -14c, snowing, windchill of -22c
ancient ingot
you live in the arctic or something ?
cursive crypt
Sounds cold.
tulip orbit
a bit chilly
ancient ingot
slightly nippy
cursive crypt
Barely an inconvenience.
ancient ingot
lol
tulip orbit
might have to wear pants when I go out
ancient ingot
😂
proud jay
pfff. -14c, snowing, windchill of -22c
scandinavia?
ancient ingot
antarctica?
tulip orbit
am canadian eh
proud jay
sorry
ancient ingot
haha
tulip orbit
its ok, I survive
ancient ingot
hey at least we didn't call you American
tulip orbit
yeah we're just making jokes. that would just be rude
ancient ingot
🍁
tulip orbit
I am gonna go brave the cold for a bit, have some fresh air before going back to cyberpunk
ancient ingot
you be crazy but ok have fun, if you dont turn into a snowman 😄
proud jay
cold is not the same cold everywhere tbh
here in belgium I find 0 degrees cold
when I lived in finland -27 was about the same cold to me
timber viper
You would probably die in Erzurum's -10
ancient ingot
i live in caerdydd in cymraeg so ......
ancient ingot
some, but im in south wales, we dont really do the whole speaking welsh thing, that's more places like Bangor in north wales.
timber viper
do you live in erzurum?
A city a few kms away from me
proud jay
is this a weird prononciation for cumrag? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cymraeg_(cropped).wav
autumn dew
hey i got a problem with shadows and lighting, where i can post image to show it ?
ancient ingot
lol you only just noticed ?
proud jay
yeah
autumn dew
<#986930307271901204> probably
mhmm thank you
proud jay
was gonna do it after daily scrum but forgot
timber viper
belgian fries 😋
proud jay
who eats fries as breakfast lol
timber viper
me
autumn dew
my lighting of scene is totally bugged
proud jay
I ate fries for diner though yesterday
proud jay
how are you not fat
proud jay
that's only like 5 cm taller
ancient ingot
5cm can be alot... 😛
proud jay
smoking stones can't be good for your teeth
who decided that a random 6.35kg stone should be a unit of measurment
deep copper
it's quite funny when i read articles that mention some value then go "that's about 666 football fields" after it
and i have never seen a football feild irl so idk how big that is
deep copper
there are 2?
unborn lotus
isn't american footbal rugby?
deep copper
probably american then, since i assume it was written by an American
proud jay
isn't american footbal rugby?
similar but no
proud jay
probably american then, since i assume it was written by an American
but you've never seen a soccer football field either?
have you ever left your home?
deep copper
i have but not to go to sports areas
have you been to those ?
wait are you a football player?
proud jay
I played when I was a kid
deep copper
how was it
naive sigil
A lot of schools have fields like that
Also it's pretty hard to miss when u pass an actual stadium
And if you've ever seen the News sports section, ull usual find a few clips with some sort of sports field and stadium
deep copper
i have seen a few on tv etc yeah
proud jay
american schools maybe
naive sigil
And if u really wanna know what one looks like, there is a seemingly infinite supply of images for them on google
Personally, I'm not impressed, it's just a bunch of grass usually surrounded by tons of concrete
deep copper
but all i can tell is it's big, not really how big
being there in person helps more than camera sky shots imo
deep copper
you actually looked it up, wow. i was being lazy
proud jay
normal football is 105x68 meters
deep copper
thanks
proud jay
official size at least
deep copper
so i guess they usually mean around 100m for each field
proud jay
it can vary from 90-120 in length and 45-90 in width
naive sigil
For comparison, the Nimitz class aircraft carrier is as long as 3 football fields
deep copper
that sounds big
proud jay
who the fuck knows the size of an aircraft carrier though
deep copper
we do now
proud jay
how is that gonna help with visualizing the size of a football field
deep copper
let's just assume that's about 100 cat worth of space
naive sigil
Everyone knows an aircraft carrier is huge
proud jay
for comparison the diameter of the moon is about 33093 football fields
naive sigil
divide its size by 3 and u get the idea of a football field
proud jay
everyone knows a football field is huge
but if you never see an aircraft carrier it's the same issue lol
deep copper
divide its size by 3 and u get the idea of a football field
football feild now sounds small
i see why memes use banana for scale
it's easy to comprehend
naive sigil
If u really need a simple graphic to visualize it for you:
cursive crypt
Not sure, that's like 1k pixels, that not big.
naive sigil
Images are supposed to represent real life objects
deep copper
so a football feild can have about 20 fighter plane
naive sigil
The size of the image does not represent the object
naive sigil
so a football feild can have about 20 fighter plane
On the deck
deep copper
no the field?
proud jay
it's so american to try to explain the size of a football field to someone that has never seen one, by comparing it to an aircraft carrier
how many AR-15s can it fit though
deep copper
reminds me, i heard usa spends a lot on military
proud jay
they do
naive sigil
how many AR-15s can it fit though
Theoretically, an infinite amount,, because unlike a fighter jet, you can stack an AR-15
quasi mantle
how many AR-15s can it fit though
How would that equate to bottle of caulk?
deep copper
that would explain why using that is more understandable then, if they see it a lot
proud jay
Theoretically, an infinite amount,, because unlike a fighter jet, you can stack ...
pretty sure it's still finite though
naive sigil
US doesn't use AR-15 tho
proud jay
yeah, it's only for school shooters
naive sigil
With exactly the right physics, you could technically stack everything to the moon
That's a bit of a dramatic example, just meaning, "very tall"
ik how u get about examples
deep copper
so the moon gets stacked on the guns, and hence you can now stack guns on moon?
naive sigil
It's really not possible, because we can't build a structure stable enough to support such length of a stack
deep copper
aw 😦
naive sigil
Wind would push a lot at the top, and not so much on the bottom, which would likely snap it in half
naive sigil
yeah, it's only for school shooters
shooters mostly use handguns
few have used rifles
cursive crypt
duh, I was unable to click
ancient ingot
lol
ancient ingot
hah
cursive crypt
It says, it is not working actually. Just waiting.
oblique cloak
hmmm
tribal geyser
<@107794086563446784>
Did I miss it?
proud jay
it's almost as if they're trying to optimize aerodynamics while seating a certain amount of people or something
ancient ingot
who'd have thought eh
cursive crypt
Kinda similar tho
oblique cloak
anyone wanna unwrap a 4m poly car for me xD
unborn lotus
I had to unwrap some multi-million plants...only blender could do it
deep glen
I had to unwrap a 1m polygon mountain back in the day where the only way to do so was dragging the uv-verts around manually
oblique cloak
lol
deep glen
took me weeks
deep glen
still have nightmares XD
oblique cloak
hahaha
With nanite and subdividing cars can look amazing now
i just realized this today 😄
ancient ingot
i be happy i dont do any of that modelling malarky 🙂
oblique cloak
i be happy i dont do any of that modelling malarky 🙂
I mean its all pretty simple stuff once you spend weeks into it
ancient ingot
mmhmm
oblique cloak
using paint assignments
is so easy too
drag and drop and uvunwrap. send to substance painter.
oblique cloak
not sure if you know this but err, your car is missing it's wheels 😛
its a UE thing xD
Im redoing the brakepads and roators too lol
ancient ingot
oh dam
oblique cloak
The wheels need to be seperate from the mesh, to apply physics
so i just deleted for now
ancient ingot
ah oki that makes sense, kinda
ornate night
hey guys, I can't stream after being in here for a couple weeks. How do I get streaming perms?
deep copper
hey guys, I can't stream after being in here for a couple weeks. How do I get st...
#more-resources says you gotta type a magic command /stream in any channel
ornate night
wow magic
proud jay
I had to unwrap a 1m polygon mountain back in the day where the only way to do s...
rip, I would just give up and hope for the best with triplanar mapping
deep glen
hehe, would have been too expensive perf. wise.
oblique cloak
this is going to take hours lol
proud jay
oof, almost forgot adobe bought substance
cursive crypt
oof, almost forgot adobe bought substance
unborn lotus
this is going to take hours lol
Is it a subdiv mesh? Unwrap before the subdiv and then relax after?
oblique cloak
Is it a subdiv mesh? Unwrap before the subdiv and then relax after?
Im going to have to do this in maya. Yeah the whole mesh is subdivided to 4m
I wanna see the results with instamesh deform, and easy vehicle suspension with the base unrealenigne racing templete
i hope it looks good lol. Got to love those freebies you get for the month 😄
soft night
ancient ingot
😂
tulip orbit
mmm... coffee would be good right now....
ancient ingot
fml i tried to move a folder again and again it made my skeletons disappear 😡
tulip orbit
ha, I renamed my main map and everything disappeared....
thin aspen
Savage squad records?
thin aspen
Funny thing about account verification steps is that people get mad when they can’t answer the questions that they set but if these things weren’t in place if someone got access to their account they’d be trying to sue whatever company they deem responsible
“Why can’t you just let me in?!?!?”
ancient ingot
😂
thin aspen
These people don’t even know their own identifying information using something like that would only make matters worse 🤣
ancient ingot
my first pet was a baby snail, i put it in a maltesers box with some grass, bloody thing died after 2 days, i was gutted 😦
thin aspen
Wow that’s crazy
ancient ingot
i was 7 ....
thin aspen
Do you also mind telling me the first car you drove?
topaz depot
can you also tell me your first name?
proud jay
job-talk in 5.
like full time job or a client?
ancient ingot
unless you count the go kart i built out of wood that my dad smashed up because i was naughgty 😦
thin aspen
Oh I thought he meant like meeting
deep glen
thanks
thin aspen
Not interview
ancient ingot
good luck mr chicken !!
deep glen
lead VFX
thin aspen
I usually just make up lies for security questions
deep glen
get hired
thin aspen
FIFA WORLD CUP PRESENTED BY Walmart
Just make sure to tell us what game you’re working on so we can play it
proud jay
obviously it's chicken simulator
thin aspen
Goat simulator better watch it’s back!
I should probably do some work or something
Maybe after this coffee
The real question is cpp or python
thin aspen
No se
proud jay
I wanna do some simple visualization stuff, and I think python is best for that, but also I wanna use Go again sometime
thin aspen
Just Go for it
proud jay
I think I will
thin aspen
Unless you’re gonna like release it for the public to use, in which case do it in python so you don’t have to deal with #go
timber viper
somehow dealing with go was easier for me
proud jay
it's like Python if the guy that created Python had ever used a C-style language before
thin aspen
In other words people asking questions because they don’t want to look up how to install some dependency
timber viper
it's like Python if the guy that created Python had ever used a C-style language...
it really has some weird quirks though
but if I ever go embedded systems writing I'll use tinygo
no way I'm writing C at 2022
proud jay
it really has some weird quirks though
true
but has a lot of nice things too
sometimes the whole setup with modules and workspaces can be annoying though
but that would also be annoying for c++ if we didn't have VS
idk maybe Goland makes that kinda stuff nicer
but costs money
fuck that
thin aspen
Someone just told me unironically that they think to should go back to smoking crack to take care of their kids
thin aspen
Correct
proud jay
I think it's more like they don't notice how bad they are at being a parent on crack
thin aspen
I normally don’t block people but it might be time to start
They lost their kids because of the drug use so that’s 100% true
proud jay
wait
this is someone you know from discord?
that makes it even wilder
or just block in general
on social media
inb4 it's your mom 😭
thin aspen
Nah someone I know from social media but also yes social media in general
They need to be stopped
proud jay
who asks for crack advise from someone you met on SoMe lol
except if you are also a crack man of course
then it makes more sense
thin aspen
Oh no they didn’t ask for advice they just volunteered information
proud jay
I would make a joke about it but would probably get me a strike
thin aspen
Something about working overnight at McDonald’s and not being able to stay up to not watch their newest child so the solution is to smoke crack to have energy to stay up
proud jay
sounds like a good train of thought
it's interesting that the people that make the worst decisions are most likely to procreate
it's just something we can't get around
thin aspen
The kids are the results of drug use so I'm not surprised by any of this
proud jay
if you wanna learn rust, go is a great stepping stone imo though
they have a lot of similarities
but go is a lot easier
thin aspen
however victimhood is the most lucrative market so of course this person uses that to fund their crackheadery
proud jay
gofundme for crack
thin aspen
I think that's the next step
The step before this was, "I'm trying to get my kids back from their abusive father so i need money! Give what you can!"
to which i responded "you're smoking crack aren't you?" turns out I was right.
proud jay
I mean if the kids would be with an abusive father for real, then the mom would need to be a real monster
women are heavily advantaged in custody battles
thin aspen
He's abusive because he doesn't let her smoke crack and run off with the kids.
Real bad guy he is.
proud jay
relatable
thin aspen
But now, he's on meth.
proud jay
ah so now he's one of the good guys again
thin aspen
something like that.
I remember when he had supposedly was some serial killer. This information of course came with the obligatory "can i borrow $40"
cursive crypt
saying you cant write correct code
proud jay
only dragonHell
proud jay
can't have reported bugs if you don't have users 🧠
cursive crypt
Or want subscription money for the bug tracker.
proud jay
does she get a rose every day?
ancient ingot
yup
cursive crypt
ancient ingot
lol
ancient ingot
you can have a chicken @proud jay
cursive crypt
Listening what?
ancient ingot
🐔
thin aspen
listening for a reverse shell
ancient ingot
oh you still listening to the radio? lol
cursive crypt
Or opened ports?
ancient ingot
its not an interesting server to hack tbh lol just audio files and icecast
proud jay
oh you still listening to the radio? lol
just booted it up again
ancient ingot
i dont think you could technically hack liquidsoap itself
@proud jay theres about 30 audio files it will cycle through at random, some singles some 1 hour long mixes
thin aspen
Or opened ports?
We listen on opened ports for the reverse shell
deep copper
me, just all alone 😦
do you wanna be together? 🥺
proud jay
no thanks, already engaged
thin aspen
And they say faithful men don’t exist anymore
ancient ingot
@proud jay thats an ampere server btw
proud jay
streaming music is probably not that heavy
ancient ingot
depends, if you are transcoding, from say wav down to mp3 that can get heavy but these mp3s are already 320kbps, so only transcoding the 1 stream down to 128kbps, about 20% cpu load
thin aspen
super star wars gif
deep glen
talk went well, will know more in a few days :)
thin aspen
10/10 guerilla
ancient ingot
It's Bungie
deep glen
nah, its in denmark, but will let you know a little later :)
deep copper
do they allow chickens inside workplace?
ancient ingot
true i guess
proud jay
ah so IOI it is
deep glen
i rather work on something that I'd also enjoy as someone who'd play it.
proud jay
I saw IOI was hiring a bunch for james bond game
deep glen
hehe, you are the 2nd person thinking that, but no
be neat to work on a JB game though
topaz depot
aU is the real James bond
deep copper
you guys memorized all hiring company's name or something?
deep copper
aU is the real James bond
my name is u, au
proud jay
probably best known studio of denmark
ancient ingot
you guys memorized all hiring company's name or something?
pretty much lol
proud jay
I only know of one other and it's BetaDwarf, but only cause a guy I know did an internship there
topaz depot
ioi is Danish?
deep copper
who doesn't know ioi
well..
proud jay
ioi is Danish?
yes
although I think they also have an office in sweden now
since like 2019
cursive crypt
I saw IOI was hiring a bunch for james bond game
proud jay
nah, its in denmark, but will let you know a little later :)
so like remote, or you thinking about moving?
deep copper
if they don't allow chickens, probably not remote
deep glen
so like remote, or you thinking about moving?
remote for time being, but with regularly trips
deep copper
so they DO allow chickens!
deep glen
mayhaps XD
late cometBOT
topaz depot
what does she do
deep copper
just imagine, one hand holding a chicken and the other working at the same time, that would be wonderful. though inconvenient for keyboard, do you use keyboard hotkeys and stuff more or are you a mouse guy? probably a keyboard person, my guess
deep glen
if she dm's you, its because you did bad.
deep copper
what does she do
she ban
topaz depot
oh, that's why I don't know her 😂
deep copper
oh, that's why I don't know her 😂
you are a good boy !
soft night
topaz depot
you're better!
topaz depot
just imagine, one hand holding a chicken and the other working at the same time,...
fresh protein source
deep copper
oh my, you flatter me
proud jay
what does she do
ban people and stuff
deep copper
fresh protein source
wait are you planning to nom it while working?!
topaz depot
oh my, you flatter me
no, i inflate you
with hugs 🫂
deep copper
yay 🫂
topaz depot
wait are you planning to nom it while working?!
no! eat the eggs it produces
turbid spindleBOT
:question: will the mayhaps replace maybe?
:8ball: Most likely.
topaz depot
and eventually yeah eat it too
deep copper
so fresh eggs huh , right as it drops
topaz depot
:question: **will the mayhaps replace maybe?**
:8ball: Most likely.
why didn't it say "mayhaps"
deep copper
wait are you supposed to wash eggs first ?
deep copper
why didn't it say "mayhaps"
i guess we should request pfist to do it
turbid spindleBOT
:question: should horizon and au get a 🏩 ?
:8ball: Without a doubt.
topaz depot
wait are you supposed to wash eggs first ?
why do you need to wash the egg if you remove the shell anyways 😂
topaz depot
:question: **should horizon and au get a 🏩 ?**
:8ball: Without a doubt.
a love hospital?
proud jay
the shell is the main source of protein
topaz depot
the shell is the main source of protein
source?
deep copper
why do you need to wash the egg if you remove the shell anyways 😂
ohh xD, i have seen people biting into it so i thought you can just, eat it and stuff
topaz depot
ohh xD, i have seen people biting into it so i thought you can just, eat it and ...
WHAT
not the shell
turbid spindleBOT
:question: should Horizon and AU get a 🥚
:8ball: It is certain.
topaz depot
no, you're right
deep copper
on yt, some muscle muscle channel, they were eating it raw and i forgot why
topaz depot
that is so unhealthy haha
deep copper
maybe they spit the shell out later idk
soft night
deep copper
that sounds scary
timber viper
I'm a simple guy who doesnt want to use Rust to achieve type safety
deep copper
oh yeah, what about boiled eggs? isn't that a thing
timber viper
but also, can give you salmonella afaik
i had a friend in high school that was putting a few raw eggs to shake and drink it directly
i always found it disgusting
deep copper
with the shell?
topaz depot
oh yeah, what about boiled eggs? isn't that a thing
yes that's what normal people eat
timber viper
not with the shell
topaz depot
raw is still bad lol
timber viper
i generally dont like egg
deep copper
yes that's what normal people eat
is that with the shell then?
topaz depot
no!
deep copper
i generally dont like egg
"generally" so it has it's moments 🤔
topaz depot
i generally dont like egg
me neither but good source of protein
proud jay
I love it when I have 178 compile errors and I fix a few and not I have 365 compile errors
timber viper
me neither but good source of protein
sad things is its difficult to replace
deep copper
I love it when I have 178 compile errors and I fix a few and not I have 365 comp...
there there 😔
timber viper
I love it when I have 178 compile errors and I fix a few and not I have 365 comp...
you know what to do
topaz depot
keep the compile errors and move on
deep copper
yeah man, it's just a part of life
timber viper
i didnt open my project since one week because of an error
proud jay
you should consider fixing it
topaz depot
no fixing
hollow dawn
leave it laying around, usually errors fix themselves
topaz depot
exactly
deep copper
you should consider fixing it
he is waiting to level up to tackle the final boss
timber viper
was suffering from severe existential anxiety and constant panic attacks because of random things from DSM-V
hollow dawn
fix 2 more and have a break ;)
topaz depot
only
timber viper
so... I fixed 2 more errors, now I only have 422
have you tried Rider?
proud jay
no
hollow dawn
you mean twix?
proud jay
I do wonder how rider would perform on my work project though
topaz depot
you mean VS intellisense
timber viper
I do wonder how rider would perform on my work project though
it would perform better than your last experience with VS19 i guess
proud jay
but I don't have Rider, and am very much not allowed to install it on my VDI
deep copper
you should really sleep and fix this with a fresh mind
proud jay
I use VSCode for c++ now
proud jay
you should really sleep and fix this with a fresh mind
why, I'm fixing them lol
it's just c++ errors are ridiculous
deep copper
why, I'm fixing them lol
but it's getting bigger
proud jay
if you make 1 mistake at the top of a file, it could cause 300 errors to be logged
but there is only 1
c++ is nice like that
timber viper
includes go brr
deep copper
wth
timber viper
we dont have fancy module system like js has
proud jay
see I'm bak to 389 after fixing 1
proud jay
Blueprints
unfortunately our supply chain planning system is not made in unreal
topaz depot
oh
hollow dawn
well if you screw up a variable or somin, it affects a dozen other lines
timber viper
unfortunately our supply chain planning system is not made in unreal
excuses excuses
topaz depot
just make it in UE
proud jay
let me quickly make visual scripting implementation
topaz depot
yes
deep copper
i am thankful to python now for just giving me one error to deal with at the end of all errors
proud jay
python is garbage
it gives runtime errors on things that c++ or others would give compile error
hollow dawn
ya, just do it in blueprints, be a casual like us, relax and enjoy simpleness
deep copper
that's exactly right, but you don't get 400 errors at once 😭
timber viper
let me quickly make visual scripting implementation
dont forget to force params to be copied and have the most weird out reference handling method ever
topaz depot
Blueprints you don't even need documentation and notes
thin aspen
i am unfortunately using python right now though
topaz depot
you just understand it
hollow dawn
i like blueprint comments tho
topaz depot
those are nice too yeah
hollow dawn
spaghetti western otherwise
timber viper
i like blueprints until I have to use for each loop
topaz depot
for each loop sucks
deep copper
without blueprint comments it feels as if the blueprint is naked
hollow dawn
why do loops suck?
topaz depot
specifically in blueprints
timber viper
each for loop is around 15 nodes or something to evaluate for BP VM
proud jay
python is only useful for small scripts to get things done quickly imo
hollow dawn
uh ya, performance eaters for sure
timber viper
and array access in BP is damn expensive compared to a regular script lang
proud jay
like mass renaming files or some shit
but for a serious project I would never use Python
at least nog vanilla Python
hollow dawn
mmh cant compare never tried c++
topaz depot
I tried cpp and its horrible to learn
tulip orbit
why do loops suck?
topaz depot
unlike any other languages I tried
timber viper
i am actually scared of a python project that has more than 1k of lines
worse than C++
proud jay
I tried cpp and its horrible to learn
coming from something else yah
but if you know c++ and go to something else it's piss easy
topaz depot
yeah
proud jay
most industry languages are c-style
hollow dawn
and array access in BP is damn expensive compared to a regular script lang
so you do arrays etc in c+ instead of a bp?
topaz depot
can you use Assembly in UE?
deep copper
but for a serious project I would never use Python
if it is going to get big it would be senseless to use python, only use it if you can import a library and be done in around 200 lines max
topaz depot
Assembly is the best game programming language
timber viper
so you do arrays etc in c+ instead of a bp?
I generally dont do BP for building the architecture
so 80% C++
deep copper
Assembly is the best game programming language
i think a stick and sand is also decent for tic tac toe
proud jay
rollercoaster tycoon was made in assembly
topaz depot
no way that's crazy
I made a calculator in it and it took me like half a year
not even GUI
timber viper
I generally dont do BP for building the architecture
the problem is not C++ vs BP, its about BP vs any scripting language, be it lua or anything else. To access an array BP VM goes through tons of steps and causes some precious milliseconds to be wasted
hollow dawn
I generally dont do BP for building the architecture
aight thx, will have a looksie into c+ and see if i can use it somehow :)
deep copper
i am *actually* scared of a python project that has more than 1k of lines
if it's not easy to understand they are kinda doing it wrong, and usually you would be splitting the files i think into modules etc
hollow dawn
mmh, those wasted milsecs might actually be the reason my collission tests came late and needed delays
proud jay
one does not simply have a looksie into c++ lol
deep copper
the whole point of python is you read any line and understand it, even if it's slow, long, or weird
proud jay
it's not something you pick up in a day
proud jay
if it's not easy to understand they are kinda doing it wrong, and usually you wo...
of course, same for any language though
most annoying thing about python for me is weak typing
deep copper
of course, same for any language though
but don't you use weird ways to speed things up at times ?
proud jay
which can be kinda fixed with type hints but not really
deep copper
python guidelines tell you to not speed up things if readability is lost
hollow dawn
yeah kinda, just wanna get a grip how it works, never looked at c much, but i do coding here and there and generally ge the idea :P
learning it properly takes a lifetime i guess lol
deep copper
most annoying thing about python for me is weak typing
comments etc? should be equally helpful and not clutter the same line?
are you worried about on the fly switching?
timber viper
mmh, those wasted milsecs might actually be the reason my collission tests came ...
you cant know that before profiling btw
proud jay
comments etc? should be equally helpful and not clutter the same line?
lol comments don't help with that
it's the same as the type hints
it tells you what type it is, but doesn't prevent you from doing wild shit with it
timber viper
most annoying thing about python for me is weak typing
amount of implicity kills me in python
proud jay
if I assign a string to an int in c++, I get a compiler error
if I do it in Python, it will just crash when running
timber viper
in js it should work well though, i guess 😄
deep copper
if I do it in Python, it will just crash when running
it will give an error you added wrong types somewhere ?
besides the type conversion was so that you don't end up converting and wasting lots of lines, which again, reduce readability specially when dealing with larger complex math. granted, it does have issues when some type gets converted to the other and final outcome is different and you won't know why unless you debug
proud jay
I literally never want anything to implicitely convert type
except if I specified that explicitely somewhere else maybe
hollow dawn
did you guys ever encounter a bug where you rotate an actor around an axis, and after 2 mins or so it changes the axis on which it rotates? (a simple actor add rotation x 1) i never solved that mystery lol
proud jay
no, are you maybe using local axes instead of global?
hollow dawn
cant remember, but even if so, why would it swap from x to y axis?
oh wait i think i understand what u mean, i rotates 90° and then x is y.... uhm mmmh... maybe ....
was basicially a landscape on a spinning cylinder, so it could be used as a looping animation like in this demo, was used in somin else in the end thou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eRL4xs0lMQ
but that thing just kept me wondering XD lol unreal's mysteries
deep copper
I literally never want anything to implicitely convert type
idk about you but i find the implicit conversion useful specially with stuff like 1 + 1.5 etc, and python isn't like js that can add string to numbers. also, assigning wrong types of value is kinda rare by accident i think? but yeah, developers arent always in top shape. whatever you find easy i suppose, we have so much variety of languages to pick from
proud jay
well the thing is adding a string to a number would be valid code, but you would only notice it is not at runtime
deep copper
ah, so you want to see all 400 errors beforehand
that's more of a compiled vs interpreted stuff or whatever that was
timber viper
interpreted languages also detect that before runtime
they compile text to bytecode
i guess python just doesnt?
timber viper
js is a bug 
deep copper
i believe python did have libraries to force a strict type defining thing but like
why use python at that point
timber viper
i feel like python is only nice for data people
or ai, which.. evaluates to same actually
deep copper
extremely
timber viper
though recently I learned most of the vfx industry also uses python
deep copper
the abstracting away of stuff in libraries is the main reason though, it's easier for non programmers
timber viper
its like BP in that sense
deep copper
adobe uses js like thing
proud jay
i feel like python is only nice for data people
and people that don't really know how to code
deep copper
atleast not having indentation and spaces is useful in adobe
timber viper
but good luck looping 100k elements of a list
proud jay
the abstracting away of stuff in libraries is the main reason though, it's easie...
almost any language can do that though
timber viper
c++ cant make it easy for non programmers
UE is best we can do
with ugly C# similarity
deep copper
almost any language can do that though
yeah... but it's not that straight forward in most
for like data handling
deep copper
look, numpy runs C mostly i think, but people use it in python , so does nearly all libraries for speed
it's just odd, but hey it works
deep copper
c++ cant make it easy for non programmers
the names of ue c++ haunt me
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/python-programming-c-programming-gif-24295559
and this yeah
timber viper
the names of ue c++ haunt me
like what
deep copper
but guess what, that dynamic array is mega slow for big data
so they use C arrays through libraries
which abstract away complicated stuff so it sort of acts dynamic
timber viper
never thought AU could speak about programming languages by using related terms and making sense instead of being creepy
hollow dawn
hollow dawn
i agree to your words
timber viper
its just prefixes, naming is user responsibility
deep copper
its just prefixes, naming is user responsibility
kismetlibrary has such long names too i think
timber viper
java also RandomBlahProviderFactory for everything
timber viper
kismetlibrary has such long names too i think
their actual name is hidden in BP side by property specifiers
deep copper
never thought AU could speak about programming languages by using related terms ...
tbh i am thinking of how to plug in some hugs in between
deep copper
java also `RandomBlahProviderFactory` for everything
java is real lengthy so I won't be surprised
timber viper
i wonder if python ever has TArrayView
timber viper
i wonder if python ever has `TArrayView`
nature of language prevents it to be
deep copper
what's a Tarrayview like?
soft night
when look C# and the gif came
deep copper
their actual name is hidden in BP side by property specifiers
BP is like python but for c++
timber viper
what's a Tarrayview like?
views doesn't own the underlying memory to be able to reallocate it, only "views" it
also not safe
if you access it at wrong time you're doomed
deep copper
so a readonly thing that references a part of memory or something
yeah i guess they would have workarounds in python at most
timber viper
yeah
in c++ they give huge amount of optimizations if used correctly
also you can strip a specific part of array from index 4 to 15 etc
instead of referencing whole array
sometimes i imagine a better programmer manage my codebase instead of me when I think of C# workflow
terse wasp
broken sigil
I can't be the only one that dislikes C# 😐
timber viper
I can't be the only one that dislikes C# 😐
liking c++ too much is okay but why dislike c# 😦
terse wasp
BM doesn't like productivity
"Can't work - compiling" <-- that's why BM loves C++
How else can you have some watercooler chat if your program compiled quickly?
hollow dawn
sits in lounge chair, sipping a latte, listening with interest, wondering what the natives talk about in their strange tongue
i imagine its like in the 9th warrior, in the montage where antonia banderas slowly sztarts to understand the vikings
deep copper
also you can strip a specific part of array from index 4 to 15 etc
referencing stuff that way sounds so cool. but yeah i can imagine python users to not be capable of understanding this, most can't even understand how variables are just labels referencing something, so you can switch labels easily
timber viper
*sits in lounge chair, sipping a latte, listening with interest, wondering what ...
is this a beta.character.ai output? 😂
timber viper
referencing stuff that way sounds so cool. but yeah i can imagine python users t...
most can't even understand how variables are just labels referencing something, so you can switch labels easily
i dont get python variables either, because of weak typed stuff
proud jay
this is so true, when doing c++ sometimes compiling takes like 20 minutes, whole focus gone
proud jay
we're at only 119 errors boys
hollow dawn
this is so true, when doing c++ sometimes compiling takes like 20 minutes, whole...
same for rendering -.- need a 2nd mashine to do other work in the meantime
terse wasp
I only hope that more stuff can be exposed to Verse so we don't have to go into C++ as much.
deep copper
> most can't even understand how variables are just labels referencing something...
variable names are kinda like stickers on an apple, you can take it out and put it on an orange, and that's why it's weak typed, the same thing can be referenced by too many stickers at once as well
timber viper
i might try to fix syntax of wrenscript and integrate it to UE if I dont like verse
terse wasp
Integrate Beef language. It's pretty much C# 😅
hollow dawn
or try to run a procedural somin like auto uv mapping on a multi million poly mesh cus no low poly exists... 20mins easy... good time to do some push ups, just dont do more than a 100 a day or you loose your hair
timber viper
i actually tried to add operator shrug to wrenscript but state machine in parser was difficult to follow
deep copper
*sits in lounge chair, sipping a latte, listening with interest, wondering what ...
would you like to hold a chicken?!
timber viper
Integrate Beef language. It's pretty much C# 😅
isnt Angelscript also pretty much C#? 😄
hollow dawn
would you like to hold a chicken?!
is it soft and pleasant to y hands?
deep copper
is it soft and pleasant to y hands?
it should be! if it's not, you can hold me, i won't even peck
timber viper
its madness otherwise 😄
soft night
hollow dawn
it should be! if it's not, you can hold me, i won't even peck
have a hug then as thanks for letting me hold this fine chicken
timber viper
the HUGE problem with wrenscript is, it forces you to js type of { usage
some();
}```i do have
why force
hollow dawn
i def know whom to bother if i run into any coding problems again :D ha...
timber viper
just let me be 
dumb wrenscript creator
broken sigil
liking c++ too much is okay but why dislike c# 😦
Lets start with the difference between structs and classes, not too big of a problem but the bigger problem is the lack of any indication if what you are passing around is an object or value type, copying objects around is more painful than it needs to be
These things make me not want to look in its general direction
deep copper
imagine using a library or downloading someone else's code and nothing makes sense because you keep typing it wrong because your habit is different
terse wasp
But my theory!
timber viper
Lets start with the difference between structs and classes, not too big of a pro...
pass-by-ref nature is difficult to get used to at first
broken sigil
That's because you like it
And you don't see the issue
It's just awfully designed
hollow dawn
terse wasp
I don't see it as much of an issue to be honest. I find it fairly easy to know if something is ref or value in C#. Especially so when they have to put ref in the param list 😅
proud jay
never had issues with class vs struct in c# though
but then again 95% of things are classes in our code
we rarely have pure value stuff
why not use record then 🧠
the new require keyword is also hot
broken sigil
I've used C# ages ago and never again if I don't have to, there is a reason I dislike it
proud jay
c# is bae imo
proud jay
favorite language for full scale solutions hands down
timber viper
I've used C# ages ago and never again if I don't have to, there is a reason I di...
real question is, is it worse than java?
proud jay
I like how c# evolves, contrary to c++'s evolution just being some extra standard or slight changes
they've done some nice things
terse wasp
I do have a guilty pleasure with Python though, if I'm being honest. I can build something super quick in it. Just fun to do 😅
broken sigil
real question is, is it worse than java?
Hard to beat Java in being worse lol
proud jay
but not like c#
terse wasp
C# for business stuff all the way though
timber viper
Hard to beat Java in being worse lol
hard to beat in being worse, i hope 😅
timber viper
still fine for data
java is just enterprise fantasy
some libraries make it less code even compared to ruby btw
lets rewrite twitter in ruby
maybe we can reduce 1k of batch RPCs to 10
broken sigil
Well once it leaves a bad taste it's hard to get rid of it plus a lot of things I hate about moderate c#
Modern
timber viper
my android twitter is slow af though
proud jay
I was so annoyed with unity that it was using a c# version of 74 years ago
that shit sucked ass
sorry auto mod
it was missing all the cool features
soft night
deep copper
and now it is missing you too
broken sigil
that shit sucked ass
It didn't even catch it lol
timber viper
It didn't even catch it lol
now i know how to swear to people without getting catched
broken sigil
Lmao
broken sigil
Probably related to C# in some way 😒
timber viper
Skeet: a shooting sport in which a clay target is thrown from a trap to simulate the flight of a bird.
based on google
broken sigil
No wonder automod catches it
proud jay
Skeet: a shooting sport in which a clay target is thrown from a trap to simulate...
now do urban dictionary
timber viper
proud jay
we're at only 119 errors boys
so close
timber viper
i'm in if dieter brings belgian fries
proud jay
houston, we have linking
inland oriole
I want fries too!
deep copper
oh yeah, can dieter make waffles?
proud jay
never tried
deep copper
so you ARE hiding your waffle making skills 👁️
fluid bloom
please no, I'm tired of AbstractSingletonFactoryProxyInterfaceImplDelegateManagerFacade etc classes
proud jay
we said we need c#, not bad programmers
deep copper
that's exactly what ue c++ tutorial's variable names looked like to me before
proud jay
ok this is funny though
terse wasp
I'm pretty sure Elon is trying to bankrupt the company so he can file bankruptcy for it and try and get handouts from the government to save his bacon for how much he spent on it.
bleak remnant
Huge conspiracy, but he'd ruin his entire reputation
terse wasp
Huge conspiracy, but he'd ruin his entire reputation
lol - he's been running Tesla off massive subsidies anyway. Wouldn't change jack all.
Dude has always been a grifter
ancient ingot
meeeeep
bleak remnant
yes, which is in very high standing right now...
Average person's opinion doesn't matter much to them, but why would big people invest into tesla if a huge corporation just instantly goes bankrupt by them
bleak remnant
Who owns Tesla?
proud jay
their shareholders
bleak remnant
Which are...
ancient ingot
Elon has lost the plot
proud jay
he could be ousted easy peasy if everyone wants him out
bleak remnant
Which would probably happen if he bankrupted Twitter admittedly
terse wasp
That's not really how stuff like that happens
In theory - you'd think someone who bankrupts a company would be untrustworthy
proud jay
but also, that's not what you said
terse wasp
But alas - it really doesn't matter to investors
He can bankrupt Twitter and still pump the stock for Tesla and investors do not care
If they did, you wouldn't see all these billionaires with a crap ton of bankruptcy filings
It is incredibly common
Even Warren Buffet has many bankruptcy filings. You think investors won't jump on the chance to invest into his stuff?
carmine frigate
I doubt he ever goes to mars
if u ever seen Pandorum thats how i imagine a space trip with captain elon would end
thin aspen
bankruptcy comes in many different flavors, chapter 7 is not good chapter 11 is good
deep copper
well, now this is just confusing https://lyrajs.io/
it's a database ?
proud jay
search engine
deep copper
so later, ok got it !
deep copper
or never
you see, people are like manny, if you ask them the same thing again and again, the response changes
deep copper
ok this is funny
now that's free speech alright, i bet elon would just act cool about this # too
he rarely acts effected
proud jay
yeah, he definitely did not fire twitter employees that ridiculed him on twitter
deep copper
he didn't? i think he fired way too many to count
fleet tangle
Lol
deep copper
oof sarcasm, noted
proud jay
allegedly he's now also unblocking himself from people that blocked him
fleet tangle
And why not.
proud jay
both yes
proud jay
man, Elon was right, comedy is now legal on twitter https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1597366903579844608
proud jay
wdym
this is about contributions to political parties
apple vs tesla
correct
I don't see how it's related though lol
deep copper
that's probably why twitter is withold from store but Tesla isn't ig
proud jay
but they are both on the store atm
but this isn't about twitter donations
it's about apple donations
deep copper
but they are both on the store atm
"threatened" musk said
proud jay
he says a lot of things
deep copper
they didn't threatened tesla then
not sure what you got from the image but all i understand is that tesla is unrelated to that conversation they are having lol
proud jay
musk is critizing apple for giving donations to democrats, trying to paint them as biased against "free speech".
but at the same time 97% of tesla political contributions are going to the same party
deep copper
ah, that's what you meant
green current
Those are all employee donations too, PAC donations from businesses are much more 50/50
proud jay
not for tesla
it makes sense, cause democrats push for green energy and stuff
but it's just very hypocritical of mister musk
soft night
well it depends what they push for
deep glen
proud jay
In all fairness. It's a human right to criticize Apple.
yeah, but he's just a hypocrit
proud jay
laughing at people is also a human right
fathom wadi
true
deep copper
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/new-metahuman-release-brings-easier-shar...
for a second i thought you can give it real dna and that would make a human out of it
deep glen
one day, one day
fathom wadi
Musk is a super smart human being (debatable on the human part) and runs several world changing businesses. But if I were him, I'd take a huge chunk of money and create a new political party. He seems like a good person so his politics would probably be ok. Until he has a nervous breakdown and runs out of meds and starts making his followers wear brownshirts and walking funny.