Man I learned how to use scratch at like 11, you don't need a course for that π€£
#lounge
upper canopy
timber viper
It's a unity course, English is just being a weird language again
learn unity from zero
timber viper
nani 
I thought you were referencing unity course, that has a title "learn unity from scratch"
upper canopy
I thought you were referencing unity course, that has a title "learn unity from ...
Nope, i was referencing that course on the scratch "language"
timber viper
I always said gamedev.tv was bad but wouldnt expect a scratch course lol
upper canopy
I assume their "Sales" are permanent because otherwise that price would be extortionate
upper canopy
yeah but for scratch
zinc matrix
based on this price im expecting they will teach me how to make an OS in scratch from scratch π
timber viper
i think its new but a few months ago it would be around 200$ or something too, pretty sure
because other mediocre courses were very expensive too
zinc matrix
does anyone actually buy these courses
i kinda figured in 2022 people would just accumulate knowledge from le youtube tutorial and trial and error
maybe do some reading also
π€
upper canopy
You underestimate the amount of people who have lots of time and three money, who are so lazy they cant be bothered to look for reputable courses and just buy the first one that lands on their google ad listing
timber viper
does anyone actually buy these courses
I bought C++ and multiplayer one, but it was my beginning days
And when I actually learned how things work, I looked back and waited a few minutes.. then screamed "wtf"
especially to C++ course
zinc matrix
i guess its just people being naive
timber viper
its literally demonstrates "how you shouldnt use C++ in Unreal Engine"
zinc matrix
its literally demonstrates "how you shouldnt use C++ in Unreal Engine"
π₯΄
upper canopy
zinc matrix
while on topic of C++ can anyone direct me to good (free) resources for how i should actually go about learning c++ for ue5
zinc matrix
ok cool
timber viper
There is a "learning resources" section
and since you mentioned "reading"
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/388242/the-definitive-c-book-guide-and-list
though I highly recommend learncpp.com first before paying for a book
upper canopy
I learned C++ years ago off some dude on youtube that had like 400 views per video in his series. Best damn tutorial I ever watched. No idea what it was called so I cant find it again π€£
It was an Engineless -> OpenGL course I remember
Then I started Unity, forgot all my CPP skills, and had to relearn once I came to Unreal π
zinc matrix
though I highly recommend `learncpp.com` first before paying for a book
it will probably be on libgen or archive.org anyway
but ill check it out in order you suggested
upper canopy
Literally forgot that headers existed when I came back to CPP on here π€£
timber viper
Literally forgot that headers existed when I came back to CPP on here π€£
its like being in stone age, right
upper canopy
its like being in stone age, right
Yup. Still think to myself every time I write a new class "Why am I still defining functions twice like a caveman"
timber viper
I only did C++ and some lua, alongside with small erlang but that doesnt count because it was for just hobby
So I dont know how working with modern languages feel
not using pointers, being type safe all the time, using single file everytime etc.
its all too alien to me π
upper canopy
I have been bouncing between languages a lot, so I have got used to adapting to languages π
snow pawn
I only did C++ and some lua, alongside with small erlang but that doesnt count b...
https://github.com/features/copilot This would help you out allot, the AI can suggest the code for you, if you describe what you want it to do.
timber viper
https://github.com/features/copilot This would help you out allot, the AI can su...
Thanks, I was tempted to use it a while ago but spent my money* to something else π₯²
snow pawn
https://beta.character.ai/ Some AI bots here are also good, for answering questions on code and all that. You'll be surprised, The Linux bot even step by step explained me how to sniff/hack into a blue tooth device. Step by step bash lines.
These AI are becoming absolutely amazing...
timber viper
https://beta.character.ai/ Some AI bots here are also good, for answering questi...
its quite sentient π
snow pawn
https://discord.com/channels/187217643009212416/1001804697885216870/103058626303...
Oh cheers, didn't know that channel
In all my years
timber viper
Its actually created for the moderator Blue Man π
broken sigil
It's relatively new
timber viper
oh hi BM 
snow pawn
It's relatively new
I see
broken sigil
Actually haven't used it much lately, need new ideas for what to generate lol
They added remixing mode, basically allows you to modify the prompt when doing variations
snow pawn
I would be interested in an AI that created 3d models, you'd be able to sell them in the market. It would probably get uber flooded.
zinc matrix
I would be interested in an AI that created 3d models, you'd be able to sell the...
I don't think that's possible to do in engine in today's world
We can't even make programs to do that yet
We can make a database that searches for models
But I haven't seen any functional ai mesh generation tools
upper canopy
Have people been able to try yet though? I can imagine it is hard to get a populated training dataset for this
snow pawn
I don't think that's possible to do in engine in today's world
Maybe a future plugin for blender, I think it'll happen one day.
zinc matrix
Yeah I think it's definitely possible in the future, just not right now
An ai image generator is a lot more simple because it's on a 2d plane and has a ton of refrences
snow pawn
We would suddenly have the most stunning characters and level of detail designs in games.
zinc matrix
But for a mesh, it has to generate 3d AND it may have no references for the prompt
zinc matrix
We would suddenly have the most stunning characters and level of detail designs ...
True
upper canopy
3d shouldnt matter for CNN based Ai generation
Its the training data that doesnt exist
zinc matrix
Forgive me I'm not well oriented with ai, what's cnn
upper canopy
Convolution Neural Network, though I suppose 3d wouldnt work super well convolutionally
snow pawn
I first thought you meant an AI that does cnc fraising, 3d printing logic
But in a virtual space.
zinc matrix
I think it's moreso about lack of computing power why we can't have ai gen 3d mesh
It would take a ton of computation to generate one mesh
snow pawn
zinc matrix
600 bucks for 30 generations
At that point I would buy a model on sketchfab
And be guaranteed it's high quality
but it is a neat concept
snow pawn
Yeah, it's overpriced
Soon someone will come with an open source project and they can suck it with their expensive payment plans
zinc matrix
that would be awesome
Chances are, for 600 bucks you might be able to commission someone to build one of those
upper canopy
Right now i think people using it would be for novelty or research purposes
zinc matrix
Well, probs more than 600, but let's say some rich dude pays someone 6000 dollars to make one, that's just the same as 10 ppl buying the cheapest plan for that site, and now everyone gets to enjoy it
One negative to that tho is that it would destroy the asset market
upper canopy
tech like that will plummet in cost once someone builds an open source library to handle it :p
zinc matrix
I think a huge chunk of marketplace sellers make models
If you could generate the same thing just using the showcase image they would lose all their income
It's kinda scary when you think of it
Artists are scared of ai gen art, now modelers might have to worry
Im all for technological innovation, but I say trading human jobs (and ultimately lives) for money is unethical
who says programmers won't be next?
upper canopy
Im all for technological innovation, but I say trading human jobs (and ultimatel...
Same argument has been used against Green Energy, because "Think of the coal miners and power plant workers" so careful using the "losing jobs" argument
timber viper
I don't think that's possible to do in engine in today's world
It is
we have a (few) AI experts in #gameplay-ai, I asked them about this
zinc matrix
Is there an unreal engine plugin for it?
timber viper
Soonβ’οΈ
zinc matrix
Oh boy
timber viper
One of them is working on "scene creation" plugin
literally creates 3D scene
with AI
zinc matrix
Same argument has been used against Green Energy, because "Think of the coal min...
not the same argument, green energy saves lives, ai gen removes them
upper canopy
not the same argument, green energy saves lives, ai gen removes them
Jobs were argued to be lost however, and arguably this is true that work will be displaced
zinc matrix
I don't want to be one of those people that are scared of advancing technology, but something about ai generated works doesn't sit well with me
zinc matrix
Jobs were argued to be lost however, and arguably this is true that work will be...
A lot of people that worked in the coal mine shifted to working on green energy plants
Replacing jobs with more jobs
Ai gen will remove jobs, without giving more back
upper canopy
AI Gen may remove artist jobs, but increase AI development jobs
zinc matrix
Not if ai gen replaces programmers
Right now there are ai that can write essays and stories
How long till ones created to write code
Ai gen makes creating unique works smth everyone can do, no need for professionals anymore
upper canopy
Then that will move to AI trainers, and maintainance
zinc matrix
It will remove much more than it creates
upper canopy
Artists wont stop making art, and people wont stop buying bespoke, human created art
zinc matrix
Why?
If I can generate a unique work for free or cheap, why would i pay a lot more for a human to do it?
I've used ai art generators before, and their impressive, much better than anyone i know can do
The amount of artists will drastically decrease as the field is swallowed by ai
upper canopy
I think this conversation is too speculative to say anything with confidence tbh
zinc matrix
I can say that ai will replace a lot more human jobs with confidence
upper canopy
Unless it happens we cant say for sure it will
zinc matrix
The rest, sure
You don't think that ai will effect the art field at all? Don't u think that's a bit TOO naive?
upper canopy
No, but I am not saying that a reduction in artist jobs is gonna lead to deaths
that is a bit too pessimistic
zinc matrix
Maybe not, but it will definitely hurt a lot of people
The value of art is already rapidly declining
And ai gen art is pretty new
Who knows what it will look like in 10 years
But I suspect the vision won't be in favor of artists
upper canopy
Industrialisation replaced hand-crafted work, didnt stop people from buying hand crafted products
zinc matrix
Such as?
snow pawn
literally creates 3D scene
I heard some game developers already integrate allot of AI technology in world creation and such
unborn lotus
Industrialisation replaced hand-crafted work, didnt stop people from buying hand...
also games that are "retro", 8-bit, "PS1" look are more popular than ever and not going anywhere
timber viper
I heard some game developers already integrate allot of AI technology in world c...
I know ubisoft does
zinc matrix
also games that are "retro", 8-bit, "PS1" look are more popular than ever and no...
There's a bot to generate art in all of those styles
upper canopy
Such as?
Food, Clothing, Pottery, Furniture, Housing, etc etc
Anything mass produced was done by hand before
unborn lotus
@zinc matrix on what games did it work on? π
zinc matrix
Anything mass produced was done by hand before
Everything used to be handcrafted
Now almost all of it is made in a factory overseas
upper canopy
But you can still buy handcrafted products
zinc matrix
Even the ones that claim to be "hand crafted"
The quality of hand crafted products also dropped due to industrialism
upper canopy
The quality of hand crafted products also dropped due to industrialism
what?
that is just blatantly not true
unborn lotus
Now almost all of it is made in a factory overseas
bicycle frames used to be locally handmade, then moved to China, Taiwan, and now some are back locally again at a huge premium because of higher quality, people still pay for it
zinc matrix
That's a very select portion of buyers
The handmade bicycle frame market dropped to industrialization
Sure, the new fad in America is handmade
But that doesn't undo the decades of decline in the market
snow pawn
I hate to bring in the tin foil hat, but I solely believe they are trying to kill people on purpose, since the elite want to Advance with AI tech and an autonomous work force which cuts out the need for the masses of people. You do the math.
upper canopy
aight im out
zinc matrix
I can agree with that on a less extreme scale
They're not trying to kill the workforce, they just don't want to pay the workers
It's understandable
And it's logical
But it's also unethical imo
unborn lotus
just eat the rich
zinc matrix
w h a t
what does that even mean?
If that's supposed to mean "down with the upper class" it will never happen
Someone will profit off of the demise of the rich and then they get rich
If we kill everyone that gets rich we eventually kill everyone
The solution is government regulation of the workforce
What is a protected trade
To stop ai from taking human jobs
Ai should be used for assistance of people, not a replacement of them
snow pawn
Rich people aren't the problem. Most rich people do allot of good, they create jobs and provide services and benefits. It's the age old ideology of wanting power and influence over being a prospect for contribution.
zinc matrix
but of course that sort of ambition can also be what kills the workforce
An ambitious entrepreneur would rather cut out the workforce to maximize profits
Ai does exactly that
snow pawn
Perhaps even the cute lady at the desk would be replaced with a stunning realistic looking cyborg
That speaks every language
zinc matrix
That's how Hollywood plays it out to be, but realistically there would be no lady, no desk, no office, no building
All company data managed in a database, not by people
or even androids
I don't see ai as androids, I see it as the algorithms we see in the ai art generators
unborn lotus
Rich people aren't the problem. Most rich people do allot of good, they create j...
highly doubt that. more like a very small part actually do good...rest just profit off their workers or lobby to earn more and cause more problems for lower class
zinc matrix
hate to break it to you but profiting off the workers is the good
Their building jobs
unborn lotus
you can build jobs and pay decent wages
zinc matrix
That's why minimum wage exists
unborn lotus
not monitor workers if they take a minute more at toilet breaks
zinc matrix
Like i said, government regulation is the answer
zinc matrix
not monitor workers if they take a minute more at toilet breaks
? If someone gets fired for this that would have grounds for a court case
snow pawn
The more you pay your workers, the more expensive your services would have to be to compensate on a return, which will further have to be correlated with a competitive market price.
Therefor Chinese goods are so cheap and they dominate the market
unborn lotus
ok, but, a rich entrepeneur has thousands of workers employed. he KNOWS minimum wage is NOT enough now. Does he "wait" for government regulation while profiteering of the back of his employees, or simply increase his minimum wage out of good? While reducing the company's profit by 10-15%?
zinc matrix
exactly, to maximize competition it would be easier to remove the workforce that you have to pay
zinc matrix
ok, but, a rich entrepeneur has thousands of workers employed. he KNOWS minimum ...
no and that's the point, pay workers less and you can hire more of them, and expand
unborn lotus
Yeah, and such a person is inherently not good
zinc matrix
minimum wage is decided by how much someone needs to make to live, that entrepreneur is paying for their lives
I think that makes them good
unborn lotus
Have you heard of amazon's working conditions?
zinc matrix
Or at least much better than an entrepreneur that works on ai, and doesn't pay for lives
unborn lotus
Is there someone like that yet?
zinc matrix
There's an Amazon factory in my town, my sister works there. Gets 15 bucks an hour
Decent wage, works less hours than her friends (who mostly work in fast food) and for a better wage
And besides, it's much better to be paid to work in uncomfortable conditions than to just not be payed and out of a job
unborn lotus
That doesn't sound decent at all π
zinc matrix
thus why ai is unethical
unborn lotus
I think you should be looking up not down
zinc matrix
That doesn't sound decent at all π
15 bucks an hour is 7 over minimum wage where I live
zinc matrix
I think you should be looking up not down
?
unborn lotus
So the minimum is awful
zinc matrix
No, the cost of living is lower
Workers don't need to make as much to live
That's how minimum wage is decided
snow pawn
In a perfect and harmonious place we would then use AI to lay off people to focus on their hobbies while getting a wage. Probably a whole different system.
unborn lotus
I mean you're appreciating some scraps instead of being revolted that you/she SHOULD be making a lot more
zinc matrix
Ai isn't going to help make more
unborn lotus
Workers don't need to make as much to live
Is it USA? How much is rent?
zinc matrix
Depends where you live, like anywhere
Im in a relatively small town, but I don't live in an apartment I live in a pretty good house, was 230k when bought, worth 330 now
zinc matrix
Is it USA? How much is rent?
Yes to the USA part btw
snow pawn
Im in a relatively small town, but I don't live in an apartment I live in a pret...
Lovely, same here, small town... peaceful.
unborn lotus
Im in a relatively small town, but I don't live in an apartment I live in a pret...
Can she afford a house mortgage or credit at that income?
zinc matrix
Flsa min wage is 5.15, federal wages here are 7.25
zinc matrix
Can she afford a house mortgage or credit at that income?
she has her own place, payed for a car, and pays all her bills on time, so yeah I'd say so
I think she has a roommate or 2 tho
snow pawn
she has her own place, payed for a car, and pays all her bills on time, so yeah ...
Single mom huh ?
I hope it wasn't Tyrone
All kidding aside
unborn lotus
I think she has a roommate or 2 tho
If she rents and has 2 room mates then no lol
zinc matrix
Single mom huh ?
We're talking about my sister here BTW, not my mom
snow pawn
We're talking about my sister here BTW, not my mom
Yes, meant your sister
zinc matrix
If she rents and has 2 room mates then no lol
That's a pretty good, stable condition
zinc matrix
Yes, meant your sister
she has no kids
unborn lotus
That's a pretty good, stable condition
That's what people in those Honk Kong matchbox rooms also say π
zinc matrix
Had she gone to college after hs, she probably would be in a better situation rn
zinc matrix
That's what people in those Honk Kong matchbox rooms also say π
They're alive aren't they? Also that's the downside of living in a crowded city, space is worth that much more
snow pawn
Had she gone to college after hs, she probably would be in a better situation rn
You'd never know, maybe she would be kneels deep in debt.
unborn lotus
I think minimum wage should be enough to afford their own place, OWNED, no room mates and a good enough standard of living
zinc matrix
I think that you think we should pay 10 dollars for a gallon of milk
Wages go up, prices go up
unborn lotus
They're alive aren't they? Also that's the downside of living in a crowded city,...
That's crazy. Are you sure YOU are not a rich capitalist boss in disguise?
zinc matrix
So no matter how much you increase the wage, the poor will pay the same proportion to live
zinc matrix
That's crazy. Are you sure YOU are not a rich capitalist boss in disguise?
No I just understand economy
or i like to think I do
I'm kind of low middle class
unborn lotus
People used to be able to afford a home and feed a family on a single income
What happened? Is this progress?
zinc matrix
Jobs used to be in the u.s.
the US has weakened its economy by decentralizing it
That's why it's losing ground on economy's such as China
because we're paying China for their goods, rather than paying American workers for goods
And it still sucks for them because american factories are built in foreign land so that they can pay workers as low amounts as possible
In some places in east Asia American companies pay wages as little as 3 dollars an hour
So no, it's not progress
and increasing American wages won't fix it
Centralizing the American economy will
It will hurt at first, goods will cost more, but soon it would balance out and workers would be payed more, and the economy would flourish without being dependent on imports from God knows where
but of course that won't happen because the rich are greedy and seek immediate profit
anyways I'm done with my little rant
snow pawn
The Chinese social credit system and a digital currency is on the way, you will own nothing and will be happy, according to our lovely Klaus Schwab, who is said to plan the future of our world.
Europe will be the first western test subject
zinc matrix
And thus why america is no longer the leading economy
And ai (which was the original topic) would make this even worse
snow pawn
The US is in a horrible shit show, it's insane.
zinc matrix
Funny thing is the government can do smth about it, but is too busy lining their pockets from it
snow pawn
What a creepy president, shows you how Presidents never really controlled the countries's affairs
Not since after JFK
snow pawn
Funny thing is the government can do smth about it, but is too busy lining their...
That which you call government is governed by the permanent powers, big banks.
zinc matrix
See I don't wanna whip out the communist manifesto and say that mercantilism is what's best for our country right now, but I think we need to do smth about our economy when big business and politics watch the poor suffer and the government that was made to defend the people turns a blind eye to them for their own greed
"All men are created equal" these days it's now just a legend
snow pawn
I know the solution.... get rid of the federal reserve and the meddling of bank then get the dollar back legislated on the Gold standard.
But that will never happen, under our current banking cartel.
They own the industrial military and weapons industry, they'll kill anyone who is in their way.
zinc matrix
I don't think it's that extreme
snow pawn
Sadly it is... but I admire your optimism...
zinc matrix
I think that big business definitely has an influence on military, but I don't think it goes as deep as they can plan a direct strike without it being noticed
A lot of people would bring up the argument of the oil wars, that that was all influenced by big business, and it was, but big business was able to persuade the politicians because yes, the oil would benefit American economy
Truth is that at this point there is no solution. The poor and rich want 2 very different things, but only 1 has all the power
It's not a government of the people like it was
snow pawn
And don't forget that the military industrial companies reeked in trillions of dollars... war is profit, now they're benefiting from the Ukraine war yet again... having conflicts is profitable.
zinc matrix
The economy surges come each war, and big business wants to keep it that way, and chances are that the u.s. will see a war again very soon, as we've been in constant war for decades, and the American economy has come to rely on it
It's a sad loop
zinc matrix
I think it's important to make sure we cite our sources. Twitter is a great way to spread misinformation.
snow pawn
I think it's important to make sure we cite our sources. Twitter is a great way ...
Yes, but I can assure you this is 100% legit
It's public data
zinc matrix
The purchase of that drug followed Russian threats to American territory by nuclear firepower
The purchase of the drug was to make sure that in the event of a nuclear attack, America is prepared to defend the people
Or moreso the wealthy
snow pawn
The purchase of the drug was to make sure that in the event of a nuclear attack,...
By giving them a drug that has severe side effects, thanks uncle Sam
zinc matrix
Chances are your better of with the small chance of a side effect than the chance nuclear radiation kills you
The most common side effects are with the very young and the very old, just like any sickness
That's like not giving someone cpr to save them because you might break a rib of theirs in doing so
unborn lotus
Reminds me of the time top officials got briefed on covid and the pandemic that will follow and they invested in PPE equipment companies
zinc matrix
To be fair it wasn't just top officials, many companies of that sort saw plenty investment opportunities from the start
but yes, as seen again the American government is more concerned with lining their own pockets then protected the people
snow pawn
Reminds me of the time top officials got briefed on covid and the pandemic that ...
Yup, insider trading at it yet again.
unborn lotus
we got iodine tablets here because of the proximity to Ukraine's power plant instead of radiation sickness drugs π
Anyway, isn't it cheaper to have a strike team ready on Putin instead and avoid this whole WW3 thing? π€
zinc matrix
No, as previously mentioned the American economy benefits from war
Big business doesn't want to prevent a war, so neither does the government
unborn lotus
And they didn't so far, but I imagine things get way different when nuclear weapons are involved
zinc matrix
Anyways most of Russian nuclear arms are cold War outdated, and the patriot missile system can take down over 50 nuclear missiles heading toward the mainland at a time
Big business isn't concerned
snow pawn
zinc matrix
We'll see the missiles coming before they're even in their second stage
And at that point the rich are all nice and tidy in their bunkers
Just in case
snow pawn
We'll see the missiles coming before they're even in their second stage
But, as an adept conspiracy theorist, I'd say there would be insider elements in the US that would allow the strike to happen, without defense system intervention.
unborn lotus
Anyways most of Russian nuclear arms are cold War outdated, and the patriot miss...
I think Russia's claimed war capabilities was the biggest bluff in history. Half their stuff barely works, and most of what is in storage is junk stripped for parts. Doubt they can put together more than a few nukes π
zinc matrix
But, as an adept conspiracy theorist, I'd say there would be insider elements in...
I don't think so. The rich wouldn't benefit off of the destruction of their workforce and factories
snow pawn
One interesting ΛΉ factΛΊ I've heard is SpaceX satelites can track all Russia's submarines. Not sure how true this is.
zinc matrix
I think Russia's claimed war capabilities was the biggest bluff in history. Half...
Even if their stuff did work, u.s. military arms are very strategically placed to defend against up to 50 missiles at once, and if it comes to it, they'll send air force to keep the upper class alive, deploying to big spots like D.C.
zinc matrix
One interesting _ΛΉ factΛΊ_ I've heard is SpaceX satelites can track all Russia's ...
That's highly unlikely. Modern day submarines are tracked using sonar, not smth a satellite is capable of
At best it could see if smth is 3 ft away from the surface
snow pawn
That's highly unlikely. Modern day submarines are tracked using sonar, not smth ...
Yes, but that's how it's allegedly with high powered radio frequency waves.
Idk...
zinc matrix
Chances are they use SAR to detect disturbances in the water, and they can try to guess if that disturbance was made by a submarine
snow pawn
I tried to search engine it and couldn't verify anything, it was from a conspiracy channel.
zinc matrix
Not spaceX, but the US government is definitely onto it
Grumman has been developing that tech i believe for years
And since it's not too deep in the SCS area, it won't be too hard to match the disturbances to a submarine
Because of course, they don't care about the Russian conflict, just china
The techs not a joke, but I don't see why spaceX would be interested in it, and much less why they would use it to spy on Russian submarines
snow pawn
ΛΉ Detecting submarines via satellite is a form of Non-Acoustic Anti-Submarine Warfare (NAASW). Lasers, infrared and other detectors and synthetic aperture radar (SAR) in space may be used as part of this NAASW activity. Satellites might see subtle undersea disturbances caused by submarines, watch wave patterns on or beneath the sea surface, or detect subtle variations in ocean temperature. ΛΊ
zinc matrix
its over
i hope your ready to live in rust irl society
I dont think that's going to happen
snow pawn
The techs not a joke, but I don't see why spaceX would be interested in it, and ...
But uhm, SpaceX is said to have assisted with UAV support to the Ukraine conflict zones
zinc matrix
i hope your ready to live in rust irl society
Any nukes Russia sends will be pretty much be automatically destroyed as soon as they lift off the ground, and the u.s. certain won't attack Russia with nukes in retaliation because 1. They don't need to, and 2. That benefits noone
probably nothing will happen because people do not want the world to end but the institutions seem to be bracing for something big to occur
which is not a good sign
zinc matrix
The only thing that would stop Russia from not being instantly crushed is the Geneva convention
zinc matrix
Any nukes Russia sends will be pretty much be automatically destroyed as soon as...
i do not think the united states has the ability to destroy russian missile launched from the middle of siberia before it reaches orbit
Maybe a little bit of an exaggeration, but none of them would hit home and the patriot missile system would barely break a sweat destroying them
can you provide evidence to substantiate your claims because i have a difficult time believing it
ICBM is very hard to intercept
even more so if there is thousands at same time and each of them has 10 warheads + fake warheads to throw off your countermeasures
Very simple knowledge
snow pawn
i do not think the united states has the ability to destroy russian missile laun...
I would agree, the US couldn't stop hypersonic missiles, let alone intercept the UGM-73 Poseidon nuclear torpedo.
zinc matrix
not even hypersonic i just dont think ICBMs can be reliably intercepted in great numbers even in idealistic conditions
zinc matrix
Very simple knowledge
i know of this system its estimated success rate is not so high
It's not just the U.S. they have stations everywhere to detect when a nuclear missile has been launched, and so do most of its allies
there is no dispute they could detect missiles but intercepting them reliably is almost impossible to do in great numbers
snow pawn
i know of this system its estimated success rate is not so high
Interesting, the US asked Israel for the Iron dome tech and they said; No. Speaking of a parasitic relationship.
zinc matrix
Interesting, the US asked Israel for the Iron dome tech and they said; No. Speak...
hey this line of thinking is not kosher please do not continue
Iron dome stuff couldnt do anything against an ICBM anyway
its for small rockets
snow pawn
hey this line of thinking is not kosher please do not continue
Mmmh, I guess
zinc matrix
there is no dispute they could detect missiles but intercepting them reliably is...
I'm not quite sure where I got the information from, but i remember somewhere it said that the u.s. could defend against 50 icbm at once
guess it's nothing without evidence though
zinc matrix
I'm not quite sure where I got the information from, but i remember somewhere it...
russia has 9000
on paper
even if its half that still cant do anything
even if its a 10th your still gonna be in big trouble
zinc matrix
russia has 9000
They have 491 deployed on paper
yeah i just checked you are correct
idk where i got that number from
With about 1500 warheads
Idk, but yeah it's still a lot more than 50
i think 9000 was how much they had at peak
in cold war
But would Russia really have the balls to do it?
Is putin that crazy
It would immediately result in military takeover, if not annihilation of Russia
Or just the destruction of the whole word, depending if other countries send nukes back at russia
Hes not gonna shoot nukes at america unless in retaliation its ridiculous to even assert that he would
tactical nukes on ukrainian frontline is much more likely
this would probably not have such grand implications
unborn lotus
They don't, they just like to strong arm so they can get away with their annexations
zinc matrix
Hes not gonna shoot nukes at america unless in retaliation its ridiculous to eve...
Well i mean he kind of told the biden administration that he would
snow pawn
The US's TR-3B was spotted in Ukraine according to some sources. It's the super secret classified anti gravity stealth aircraft.
zinc matrix
There was a direct threat
they have threatened nukes literally every day since war started on state tv
lol
But it scares me that the US is doing smth about it
Means they believe it
if you get atombomb dropped on you your problems are over so theres nothing to worry about
if you dont
your still alive
so nothing to worry about
π
There is plenty to worry about
You can't just drop a country off the face of the planet
That would have major political, social, and economic effects
Regardless if it's the US, China, Russia, etc
if the worst happens as your saying and theres a nuclear armed great power conflict between NATO and CSTO no political institution in any country will be able to maintain its existence through that kind of a crisis except maybe new zealand or some other irrelevant island nations
no see i don't think that will happen
there wont be an economic social political crisis there will simply be no economy society or political institutions left
but this is incredibly unlikely
I think the US has a rhetorical .50 cal aimed at putin's head in case he tries anything
so probably nothing will happen
I think that at worst a few loyal agents around Russia might be able to get a couple nukes off the ground
Before they are completely annihilated
But anyways I've been talking about speculative politics here for far too long so I'm going to head out
snow pawn
But anyways I've been talking about speculative politics here for far too long s...
Stay safe.
zinc matrix
u 2
carmine frigate
the husband of a friend of mine worked on a hunter sub... when he got back from a shift he would complely freeze in place if she dropped a pen on the ground or something if it was silent for more than 10 minutes
dont think 6 months on the bottom of the ocean not allowed to make any sounds is good for mental health
fleet tangle
I'm just wondering how many people hear it if you fart on a hunter sub now.
carmine frigate
depends on the class and if they are allready listening in i guess
also war isnt good for the economy... or tech progress... those days are long gone
fleet tangle
War is good for the economy if it's not taking place anywhere near you and is already accounted for in your budget!
carmine frigate
nah it really isnt
fleet tangle
I feel we'd need a proper global war for it to be good for tech progress.
carmine frigate
nah we need to be downing alien ships B4 its good for tech progress
slim atlas
guys!
do you smell worn socks?
like sniff them
i think this should be a political topic.
carmine frigate
sometimes when i washed em π
fleet tangle
I don't sniff them just because they're worn. I might sniff them to determine if I've already worn them or not.
celest musk
zinc matrix
nah it really isnt
Yes it really is
why do u think amerimoto sat in afghanistan for so many years
spoiler it wasnt cuz it was funny it was cuz they could forcefeed money into places they otherwise couldnt
war is a huge business
military industrial bafoons will take any chance to sell guns
ionic siren
Hey, has anyone else here started getting copious amounts of spam emails that gmail isn't filtering out even though it's so super obviously spam? Think someone sold my email adress to spammers.
I flag them as spam every day but gmail doesn't seem to learn.
carmine frigate
war is a huge business
selling overpriced earplugs is big business π
war isnt that big a business in the grand sceme of things
even tho America now sells more gas and weapons to europe it really isnt good for the economy... its good for a few ppl most ppl lose
Murica got a boost when ww2 ended not by fighting it
you cant make much money off a burning country of poor ppl
Im not saying it was all sqeeky clean and for the good of mankind, but Saddam and khadaffi were not good ppl
fleet tangle
Most leaders aren't good people.
carmine frigate
people are people we are basically all the same just in a diffrent position
fleet tangle
Not true.
Our genetics vary "wildly" causing us to be predispositioned to a wide variety of different personality traits.
And then there's our growth environment and current circumstances.
To view everyone as equal is absolute folly.
Nobody is equal, but they should be provided equal opportunity.
carmine frigate
most personality traits come from external factors, not from genetics
fleet tangle
That's why I said predispositioned, not "this guy is born to be a psychopath"
I.e. they are more likely to become X or Y when given the same stimuli as other people.
carmine frigate
well, lets say nigerians have an exelent build to run long distances.. this now also is an external factor
for personality traits
fleet tangle
But they also probably have genetic differences which predisposition them to the body type that is good for running.
Obviously external factors and lifestyle play a big role, too, I'm not saying otherwise.
carmine frigate
well, there is genetics and external factors.. when all things said and done ... freedom of choice is just an illusion
its all 1 big chemical process
topaz depot
it's an illusion if you decide to keep being in the matrix
escape the matrix, and you shall find freedom
fleet tangle
its all 1 big chemical process
Don't forget the quantum mechanics!
carmine frigate
yea we might be entangled with an alternate universe
fleet tangle
Not quite the angle I was going for.
carmine frigate
i dont know much about quantum stuffz
fleet tangle
Lack of freedom of choice doesn't mean lack of responsibility, though.
carmine frigate
well you act responsible or you dont
fleet tangle
I don't mean it like that.
I mean you have to take responsibility for your actions, even if you didn't choose to do them freely because of the way the brain works (lack of freedom of thought.)
Your brain, in that instance, needs to be retrained so it doesn't do the wrong thing again.
carmine frigate
well your action you didnt choose with free will becomes an external factor for your next choice
and it keeps repeating
broken sigil
Your brain, in that instance, needs to be retrained so it doesn't do the wrong thing again.
Well I feel like some people lack this part of the brain entirely, the one responsible for evaluating and judging their decisions
fleet tangle
Quite possibly.
A broken neural net!
Or quite possibly the end results of their bad decisions is their positive outcome.
In regards to their brain anyway.
carmine frigate
the variables have been set.. the outcome is unchangable
I am one of the external factors that puts you where you will be in 5 years π
sorry i had no choice
regal pecan
Compared to each other, we are all different.
Compared to all other things, we are much the same.
carmine frigate
yea just a bunch of clustered molecules
carmine frigate
lol no it isnt
zinc matrix
Ik its not im just mocking
this probably isnt the best place to have that conversation tho
carmine frigate
its evolution π
tribal stuff and ancient ways of life are super dope... they been doin it for 5000+ years
tried and tested
my wifi mobilephone way of life is in betatest phase and might crash and burn
broken sigil
This description on netflix is comparable to comments in UE's source code lol
zinc matrix
also war isnt good for the economy... or tech progress... those days are long g...
When hasn't it been good for the economy and technology
The reason we have half most of the tech we have today is because of war
Cell phones were designed for war
Computers
Hell, even the internet
All military projects
And that hasn't stopped being true
Some of the more recent have to do with data technology, satellite, global positioning, even ai
And during ever single war in the past 100 years the American economy has flourished
That's why things like the great depression happen
Because the economy was so high during wartime, when it ended it caused a lot of jobs and income to be destroyed
zinc matrix
Hey, has anyone else here started getting copious amounts of spam emails that gm...
Yeah at that point I just made another email
zinc matrix
you cant make much money off a burning country of poor ppl
2 words war reparations. You definitely can make money off a burning country
That's why America stayed and developed Japan after ww2
To insert their hand into its economy
broken sigil
zinc matrix
CUTE
carmine frigate
That's why America stayed and developed Japan after ww2
war with Japan was not good for the economy.. peace and trade was π
zinc matrix
the war was good for the economy
american wages hit an all time high at the time
industry was booming
carmine frigate
industrial revolution
zinc matrix
industrial revolution was 200 years ago
carmine frigate
that shit started allready
zinc matrix
not during the world wars
zinc matrix
that shit started allready
ever heard of the great depression
the economy drops between wars
wars strengthen the economy
or at least the us economy
the industrial revolution allowed industry to grow, strengthening the economy
but that doesnt mean wars didnt strengthen the economy
they most certainly did
most industry standard advancements we have today werent made during peacetime
carmine frigate
yea but thats cuz we are allways at war π
European standard of living increased a lot cuz we have been relative at peace
zinc matrix
not true, the european economy also was heightened in war time
then they dropped after wartime
carmine frigate
lol no
zinc matrix
great depression was worldwide
zinc matrix
lol no
can you please use actual logic or reasoning?
lol no does not constitute as an argument
I have brought nothing but historical evidence to this discussion
can you try to do the same?
carmine frigate
end of WWII in europe was called ... the hunger winter
we havent had it that bad since
soft night
carmine frigate
not true, the european economy also was heightened in war time
no we were occupied
zinc matrix
who is we
carmine frigate
most of europe
zinc matrix
Europe saw great growth post-WWII
many countries in Europe suffered extensive damage to buildings and infrastructure, so the end of the war was a time for intensive rehabilitation
growing industries such as construction and lumber
the end of the war also marked the beginning of a period of expansive growth for Europe
carmine frigate
yea.. cuz we all said.. hey lets be done with war and trade a buch π
zinc matrix
US, Europe, and Japan experienced amazing gains in the second half the century
zinc matrix
yea.. cuz we all said.. hey lets be done with war and trade a buch π
no, the war allowed their economies to grow
carmine frigate
no having ur buildings and industry destroyed in not good for economy
zinc matrix
before ww2, there was a huge rise in facism and economic depression
zinc matrix
no having ur buildings and industry destroyed in not good for economy
it is in many ways
its also bad in many ways
but the historical evidence proves that it did help the economy
compare europes postwar and prewar economy
there is no competition
carmine frigate
if the USA war against Japan would have dragged on for 10 more years it would have been really bad
nothing good would have come from it
zinc matrix
except economic growth
many industries in the US got rich off of the ww2 wartime
they were planning on it lasting a few more years
thats why the manhattan project was completely federally funded
zinc matrix
big business didnt want the war to end
they profit from it
if the war had dragged on 10 more years, it would have only further solidified the US economy
zinc matrix
why not?
carmine frigate
no ISS
zinc matrix
the berlin wall would still exist
zinc matrix
and no1 would have landed on the moon
a prolonged war with japan wouldnt have prevented the cold war and the space race
the allies and russia would still split germany
and tensions would rise from it
resulting in the cold war
carmine frigate
you cant have a spacerace with a large scale war goin on
zinc matrix
again, the war would end
and actually yes it could
vietnam didnt stop NASA from continuing its research in space
ever heard of project Mercury?
carmine frigate
vietnam didnt stop NASA from continuing its research in space
it prolly didnt help much either π
zinc matrix
excuse me but its very annoying when you just say something will or will not happen, or just present statements as facts, without any evidence
sure, my argument is speculation as well, but at least it is based upon historical evidence that I present to you
unborn lotus
compare europes postwar and prewar economy
?? Europe was in ruins, took decades to recover and USA, unaffected is still ahead even now. And Russia "won" over eastern europe stagnating those states for 50 years π«
zinc matrix
look at the second half of the twentieth century following ww2
it was great for us, japan, and europe
carmine frigate
yea cuz peace and trade
zinc matrix
GDP per capita in Europe tripled
zinc matrix
yea cuz peace and trade
what makes you think that?
carmine frigate
cuz it was broken
unborn lotus
Economic growth would have happened regardless, but europe also had to start ten steps back
zinc matrix
europe started 10 steps forward
ionic siren
Aw I had one just like that when I was a kid
zinc matrix
technological innovation helped countries such as britain become a global superpower over the course of the war
radar, boats, aircraft, you name it
many industries were growing much more rapidly then before
carmine frigate
Britain allways was a global superpower π
zinc matrix
Since the years between World War I and World War II were rife with global economic instability, Europe had not had time to implement many of the advancements pioneered in the U.S. and elsewhere
zinc matrix
Britain allways was a global superpower π
not true, before the wars they faced massive economic instability
while yes, they were pioneers of movements such as the industrial revolution, they were rapidly falling behind
until the world wars happened
and afterwards Europe had the opportunity for catch-up growth.
carmine frigate
cuz they fell behind other Europe countries that got destoyed during the war π
zinc matrix
keep in mind im talking about europe, not any individual country
Americans had many advancements before and during the war such as nylon and teflon, while many europeans still heated their homes with coal
following the war, these technologies became readily avalible to most everyone across europe
so again, how does a war NOT help stimulate technology and economy
and please actually present some evidence this time
zinc matrix
the james webb telescope wasnt made to look for any enemies
its goal is to find the first galaxies that formed in the early universe and to see stars forming planetary systems
but what does that have to do with the current topic
carmine frigate
if europe had been fighting if would be looking at earth
unborn lotus
and please actually present some evidence this time
Yes but what is your evidence?
carmine frigate
or it wouldnt exist
zinc matrix
GDP per capita in Europe tripled
^
zinc matrix
ever heard of project Mercury?
^
unborn lotus
Just saying something is not evidence lol
zinc matrix
do you want me to present a gdp per capita chart of the last century?
also project mercury definitely counts as historical evidence that space innovation isnt paused by wartime
zinc matrix
thats what the argument is about
carmine frigate
there is no gdp chart of 300 year peace cuz it didnt happen
zinc matrix
owninator says theres no prosperity after or during a war
exactly
also gdp hasnt been tracked for 300 years
that again has nothing to do with the world wars tho
they happened only 100 years ago
when gdp definitely was tracked
carmine frigate
mayB look at the countries where the boots are on the ground... they are not making space stations man
unborn lotus
There's no prosperity during a war lol..and a long time after for some countries
zinc matrix
have you even seen anything ive typed previously?
how can you ignore all that? how are you that naive?
unborn lotus
I think you're naive π
zinc matrix
i think you have presented no historical evidence to back up your claims
and that I have presented plenty to show that the world wars heightened not just european economies, but many around the world
you presenting a statement as a fact and tying an emoji at the end doesnt count as an argument
slim atlas
what even is this debate about XD
zinc matrix
that war stimulates economy and technology
slim atlas
that depends on the kind of war and its size
the war in ukrain currently is limited to ukraine
it affects the eu states and russia
generally we are currently experiencing a wake up call...
and i am definitly not having prosperity
it can happen after a war
soft night
zinc matrix
im talking about the past world wars
unborn lotus
you presenting a statement as a fact and tying an emoji at the end doesnt count ...
This isn't a debate club lol. Also as i said, you're also throwing statements that are not historical evidence and there is more than one way to interpret charts
slim atlas
germany took 60 years to pick up the paces again
after russia took its grip of our throat
unborn lotus
Eastern europe still suffers π
zinc matrix
This isn't a debate club lol. Also as i said, you're also throwing statements th...
a tripled gdp does count as historical evidence, especially when following an economic depression, and guess what happened between the time of economic depression and heightened economy, a war! two wars!
zinc matrix
Eastern europe still suffers π
wester europe is suffering from the current war and ukraine because of its dependence on eastern europe
eastern europe is suffering because putin is a mad man
all of europe is suffering because putin is a mad man
carmine frigate
MOEX not doin great cuz we wont buy/sell with em anymore
slim atlas
are all at fault too
zinc matrix
This isn't a debate club lol. Also as i said, you're also throwing statements th...
may not be a debate club, but if your going to have a debate at least have a debate
slim atlas
germany didnt ever think about these problems
carmine frigate
everybody loses here man.. its not good for tech or economy
zinc matrix
everybody loses here man.. its not good for tech or economy
but it was
the germany economy suffered because they were on the losing end
zinc matrix
"it" is reffering to war i believe
zinc matrix
and again, "it" has strengthened economies all across europe and the world for centuries
zinc matrix
owni said its
it's meaning it is
carmine frigate
the germany economy suffered because they were on the losing end
Every country in europe lost WW2 at one point π
zinc matrix
Every country in europe lost WW2 at one point π
not true
politically, not true
A defeat follows surrender
zinc matrix
why is that?
zinc matrix
see, no historical evidence
carmine frigate
Poland never surrendered... they got hurt real bad
zinc matrix
just a statement meant to criticize me without even knowing me
zinc matrix
Poland never surrendered... they got hurt real bad
while poland as a whole never formally surrendered, many parts of it did
Warsaw for example
after a month
the soviets and germany both claimed pieces of it
carmine frigate
Netherlands did surrender after like 2 days... it was fine B4... GDP dropped cuz everything we would build would get stolen anyways
slim atlas
"germany"
you see
germany didnt exist when the nazis where there
it was founded much later
zinc matrix
the nazi party was the german workers party
germany definitely existed
and it was called that back then as well
there was no name change between the nazi partys rule
slim atlas
technicly there was
slim atlas
Germania
zinc matrix
The first nation state named "Germany" began in 1871
slim atlas
Owni did you smell your socks today?
carmine frigate
thats a long time ago... the netherlands was part of it π
zinc matrix
much before ww1 or 2
slim atlas
i smelled my socks today.
deep glen
O-o
zinc matrix
thats kind of wierd
carmine frigate
bunch of germaniacs π
zinc matrix
why do you smell your socks?
slim atlas
need to check what socks i will use for bathing
or i can walk bare foot tomorrow...
shit
why do i only have 4 pairs of socks
and why do i only know where 3 are currently
slim atlas
if you stop calling me a nazi then subconciously
zinc matrix
if you only get 7 you will always be short one after the first wash day
zinc matrix
if you stop calling me a nazi then subconciously
excuse me?
slim atlas
socks
zinc matrix
what?
broken sigil
Wtf Am I even reading
zinc matrix
if you stop calling me a nazi then subconciously
what are we talking about here?
carmine frigate
i have a pair of sweatpants... if I pull em over my feet i dont need socks
zinc matrix
the ends of your sweatpants would likely get dirty fast like that
zinc matrix
i skinned a man alive
w h a t
slim atlas
and now i have skin socks.
zinc matrix
w h a t
carmine frigate
i skinned a man alive
u really need to watch a blender unwrap tutorial
you dont need to skin ppl for that
slim atlas
ok ill wrap it up
zinc matrix
wtf
unborn lotus
Rings of power was pretty great...season 1 finished
mossy nexus
A great pile of steaming turds
zinc matrix
Rings of power was pretty great...season 1 finished
is it good? i heard of it but was wondering if i should watch
unborn lotus
is it good? i heard of it but was wondering if i should watch
8/10...but I think people nowadays are very quick to hate it
mossy nexus
is it good? i heard of it but was wondering if i should watch
Do you like Tolkien? If so, don't watch it.
zinc matrix
Do you like Tolkien? If so, don't watch it.
i thought tolkien was mid
unborn lotus
I never knew him, so I liked RoP
slim atlas
anyways. i tight up my neighbor in the bathtub and he is screaming again... gotta go. cya later.
mossy nexus
Hell even if you don't like Tolkien, don't watch it. Sloppily written.. and no.. let's just not.. π
unborn lotus
That's what they said about the trilogy too π
My only peeve is that the dialogue takes itself a bit too seriously but it's fine. In no way 1/10
sterile forge
yall just have hills in your projects you cant climb over
like, struggle to even start on
most of my projects die because I get bored of working on it but this time its a little different
unborn lotus
When that happens I usually just start a new project...wait...
broken sigil
Why do ads appear on my YT videos when I have them disabled π€
I don't need that 0.5$ that I would make but YT puts ads anyways...
sterile forge
most of my projects die because I get bored of working on it but this time its a...
Here I've been needing to make an inventory/GUI system for my game.. and I've lost count of how many days I've procrastinated it by doing nothing
carmine frigate
I don't need that 0.5$ that I would make but YT puts ads anyways...
broken sigil
LOL
deep glen
lol
carmine frigate
money well spend
inland oriole
Looks up how to improve at certain stuff on the internet. Finds a reddit post with this:
Successfully build pong in an evening, and now building an RTS.
Absolute legend xD
thorny dock
Talking to master programmer is kind of scary, it knows unreal engine really well and can give you c++ and blueprint examples lol
bleak remnant
mossy nexus
Naa, it was created by divine will.
Next thing you'll be saying is there isn't a Digital Heaven π
really hopes someone gets the ref
primal summit
tron, I think?
trail wedge
broken sigil
Aw I had one just like that when I was a kid
I heard a lot of good about these birds and my previous bird died last week (had trouble flying and fell really bad and hit the head) so wanted to get another one
carmine frigate
my grandpa saw his canary die... got up opened the door and passed out in the hallway
and here i am
slim atlas
you cant threaten people with blowing their heads to bits with a shotgun online anymore...
these days everyone is so sensible...
gotta say at the end
"I dont mean it"
carmine frigate
were u holding a showgun in front of his door?
iron thistle
is there any free, kinda tech demos of UE5?
I have UE5 installed, but I'm really new to it all and just wanted to mess around with lumen lol
carmine frigate
yes
havent tried the matrix stuff myself yet.. but there is also valley of the ancients
iron thistle
I'm currently downloading the city sample from the matrix thing
idk if that's the game or just a project with the city or what though
iron thistle
havent tried the matrix stuff myself yet.. but there is also valley of the ancie...
I'll look into the valley of the ancients, ty
iron thistle
I'm just really into the lighting aspect and how it can effect the scene
iron thistle
also, would twinmotion be a valid thing to mess around with?
reading the description for it, sounds like it's supposed to be really fast to use and simple?
carmine frigate
i dunno , i think it wasnt for me... you can get twinmotion asset packs tho
zinc matrix
Ur better off with the templates
They have tuts built in
You don't learn from the tech demo
If u can even run it
Need a high end PC for that
carmine frigate
he wants to play with lumen... valley is fine for that
lumen aims for 30 fps for ps5 so yea kinda high end
it ran fine for me when i set the render resolution to 20% π
thorny dock
everyone is complaining about gotham knights being 30fps on consoles, but they are building their own custom unreal. the first 4 arkham games used unreal 3 and gotham knights is "unreal 4", but more then likely it's still their custom unreal 3 with some features pulled in and modified from 4. I think it's just a compatibility issue with their custom solutions that run on all their platforms, and probably not as easy as scaling things down
foggy path
I remember when console players would argue that you can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps
carmine frigate
everyone is complaining about gotham knights being 30fps on consoles, but they a...
wasnt this like a 15 years ago issue?
no1 is complaining about it right now
latest drama im aware of is the 200.000$ needed to max ur diablo character
get with the program π
diablo Immoral
also its all gambling and for kinds under 18
foggy path
I got a timeout from twitch rivals chat for daring to comment they were advertising crypto investment services to an almost certainly underage audience
lol
carmine frigate
well shame on you
your comment might make em miss out on the oppertunity of a lifetime
dont ur dads phones have auto login on their credit cards π
foggy path
lol
carmine frigate
kid of a friend of mine... yea he did take the credit card π
went all in on Smash
i have no idea what smash is tho
but he spend them $$$ π
quasi mantle
everyone is complaining about gotham knights being 30fps on consoles, but they a...
Except Rocksteady wasn't the one developing Gotham Knights
Also it seems that Gotham Knights isn't considered to be part of Batman Arkham series.
thorny dock
wasnt this like a 15 years ago issue?
this is a few days ago issue, i'm saying people are complaining because they think gotham knights is made with ue5, but i'm saying it's made with a completely unrecognizable ue3/4 hybrid which might as well be it's own custom engine at this point
thorny dock
Except Rocksteady wasn't the one developing Gotham Knights
true but it's using the same engine rocksteady has been developing since arkham asylum
wb montreal is doing the same thing they did before, which is making gotham knights while rocksteady (probably) works on the next unannounced batman game, same as they did before with arkham origins
timber viper
I remember when console players would argue that you can't tell the difference b...
Tbh, I wondered how UE5 would like in PS4, and did t.maxfps 30 thing
my eyes bled
And I swear for first 5 minutes I thought something was wrong on framerate smoothing etc because switching to it after 120fps was terrible
primal summit
And I swear for first 5 minutes I thought something was wrong on framerate smoot...
640x480 16 bit is plenty of resolution!
zinc matrix
640x480 16 bit is plenty of resolution!
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how'd you get a screenshot of my desktop?
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https://tenor.com/view/templeos-terry-davis-gif-19184988
still waiting for unreal engine release for this os π
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still waiting for unreal engine release for this os π
do you know which os it is?
zinc matrix
do you know which os it is?
templeOS
thorny dock
god said the promised land is running on commodore 64
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simple people, simple simulation?
"If I'm alive, and I do not have exactly 2 or 3 people near me, die. If 3 people surround an empty spot, a new person appears there."
snow pawn
"If I'm alive, and I do not have exactly 2 or 3 people near me, die. If 3 people...
void GameLogic(void) {
if(player1->DistanceFromPlayer2 == 5 && player2->DistanceFromPlayer3 == 5){
cout << "kill player1, player2, player3";
}
}
void playerMove (int player, int moveX, int moveY, int speed, int duration) {
for(int i = 0; i < moveY, i++, moveX++) {
if(emptySpot == true) {
cout << "new player was spawned";
}
}
But you would probably have to add the If player is alive check
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... stop it
imagine a game where the player only appears near 2 or 3 npcs and otherwise wanders around unable to interact
wraith simulator
snow pawn
imagine a game where the player only appears near 2 or 3 npcs and otherwise wand...
This is what you meant ?
void gameLogic(void) {
if(!(game->nearbyPlayer >= 2 && game->nearbyPlayer <= 3)){
player->setMovement(false);
}
}
`void setMovement(int player, int moveX, int moveY, int speed, int duration) {
//this code moves the player on the map.
Sounds interesting
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not quite, more of an abstract puzzler, you can move, but only interact in the right conditions of npc presence
zinc matrix
I'm confused what's this about
It seems interesting but idk what a wraith simulator is
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or possibly other players, but surprise twist, you can only see players when able to interact
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It seems interesting but idk what a wraith simulator is
I'm making a joke by extrapolating conway's game of life into a multiplayer mmo concept
zinc matrix
Joke? That's a shame, sounded pretty interesting
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then make it!
zinc matrix
First I'll have to read up on Conway game of life
Not sure what the rules are. I just know of the Google Easter egg
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you know the rules already
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"If I'm alive, and I do not have exactly 2 or 3 people near me, die. If 3 people...
this
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But will this not die out?
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it's literally that simple
zinc matrix
How does it stay going
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populate the playing field with cells, some alive, some dead, iterate each turn
snow pawn
not quite, more of an abstract puzzler, you can move, but only interact in the r...
Like you can only start cleaving when you got more then 2 npc's around you
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it's a discrete-time discrete-space system with emergent properties
snow pawn
imagine a game where the player only appears near 2 or 3 npcs and otherwise wanders around unable to interact
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yep
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_imagine a game where the player only appears near 2 or 3 npcs and otherwise wan...
go to a concert, start working the crowd down from the edges
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it's a discrete-time discrete-space system with emergent properties
oh, and only in 2d
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So in this version the player would be able to move around? That sounds pretty interesting, throw in the goal of ending the simulation and you have yourself a game loop
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yep!
your state is dependent only on those npcs around you
see all, but only interact in some situations
add in interact with environment but not the npcs and you have a haunting horror game
arrange accidents
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Isn't there more rules tho?
snow pawn
Sounds like you want an orgy until the party ends and the lights go out.
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smth like if there's more than 3 in a spot they die
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Isn't there more rules tho?
nope, just those 2, it's remarkably simple
zinc matrix
huh, how do they die then?
If 2 or 3 are next to each other, wouldn't they just keep making more
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smth like if there's more than 3 in a spot they die
yes, if living cell has 0, 1, or more than 3 neighbors, it dies
zinc matrix
Oh ok
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if dead cell has exactly 3 live neighbors, it lives
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So
< 2 neighbors dies
2-3 lives
/> 3 dies
3+ dies, it can have up to 8
and 3 cells only surrounding a dead spot make a living one
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4 X 5
6 7 8```Oh diagonal counts?
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yeah
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Also how do 3 surround a spot? Like in a V shape?
snow pawn
int main()
{
int player1 = 5, player2=5, player3=5;
int newPlayerX = 2, newPlayerY = 2;
GameObject game;
GameObject * newPlayer = game->spawnNewPlayer(&newPlayerX, &newPlayerY);
return 0;
}
like 123, or 467, or 428, etc...
zinc matrix
Oh so 3 in proximity of a cell?
zinc matrix
I'm guessing 467 would spawn to the left or below 6?
And 428 would spawn at 5 or 7?
Wait no 5 or 7 wouldn't make sense
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467 spawn in the empty (now X, edited)
zinc matrix
Oh yeah i forgot that was empty
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hence the edit
anyway, you can use a couple for loops and two 2d arrays (one for alternate steps) to build it in a couple minutes
set a time delay between iterations, randomly populate arrays, "play" (since it plays itself)
zinc matrix
Yeah I could probably do that by tmrw night, depending how I feel after work
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or just find one online
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I don't see this turning into an actual game concept, but it sounds fun to play around with
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or just find one online
where's the fun in that
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my concept is you become able to interact if near 3 living npcs and remain able if near 2 or 3, then kill them all via the environment
snow pawn
I don't see this turning into an actual game concept, but it sounds fun to play ...
That's usually what people are told, until proven wrong
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That's usually what people are told, until proven wrong
unreal tournament?
zinc matrix
proven wrong about it being fun or it turning into a real game?
snow pawn
Turning it into a real game
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I'm jetlagged bad and overseas with no pc for 3 weeks, so I might make it a mobile game in not ue
zinc matrix
I mean, if i find it rlly fun to destroy the simulation, maybe i could make it a bit cooler and throw it up on itch, but I wouldn't try actually selling it
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Turning it into a real game
fun too, see the tech demo that became goat simulator
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Chances are it wouldn't turn much of a profit
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fun too, see the tech demo that became goat simulator
goat Sim was a tech demo?
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yep, nvidia physx demo from coffee stain studios to show what they could do with it, as I understand it
snow pawn
It's all about the learning process, In the end.
zinc matrix
that's pretty cool. I never got goat sim myself, but played it with a couple of friends who got it, it's a pretty fun sandbox but gets boring a little too fast
zinc matrix
It's all about the learning process, In the end.
Agreed
snow pawn
I made most my money from working on other people's projects, I rarely complete my own...
zinc matrix
Yeah, same here
snow pawn
I don't know where things should end
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I learned ue by going on fiverr and making other ppls ideas
I don't think I could make a good game idea anymore if I tried
snow pawn
I just get stuck on tinkering on different ideas, that's all I do
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then take mine
zinc matrix
I can't justify spending time tinkering with some ideas unless you think there's a chance it will turn a profit
Kinda sad how the gamedev dream changes out of school
snow pawn
I can't justify spending time tinkering with some ideas unless you think there's...
Well, if there is a great concept you want to nail, tinkering is key.
zinc matrix
Key note: great concept. It's hard to tell when a concept is really good, sometimes your sure of it, and it is, or your sure of it, but its rlly not, or same thing for if your not sure of it. It's all really risky.
Also I don't think I've had a great concept in a long time
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I'll probably try to whip it out this weekend
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sell it for a buck on steam?
you go ahead and do it
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I may
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Imagine a few thousand people buy it
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or I may squirrel and forget
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Tough thing with steam is that you can instantly get buried
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Imagine a few thousand people buy it
then it can pay for the chicken feed for a year
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I haven't tried releasing one, but I heard that it takes a lot of marketing to keep it seen
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then it can pay for the chicken feed for a year
Still a really good return on a little simple side project
let's say it takes 2 hours to make, I'd trade 2 hours of my time for a grand
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a couple thousand sales, free marketplace assets, a couple weekends' free time while an ocean away from my computer, it'd be a win
snow pawn
Well, writing code that exactly nails your concept requires some tinkering to make it work properly. Something that will happen along the way either way.
zinc matrix
Yeah, but i can't imagine there's too much room for that to happen in a concept like this, with very specific rules
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perhaps some hysteresis on the range function so you can get farther away after being able to interact
zinc matrix
one thing I think you have some room to change it on is the scale
Ideally, conways game of life would take place across an infinite expanse
snow pawn
I guess fine tuning sounds better within this context
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but that's not exactly possible
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if unable and within 2 meters, be able
if able and within 5 meters, stay able