lounge

[timber viper]

when you mentioned your game for 3rd time, now I'm curious which game you worked on

[regal pecan]

cards work stunningly well as long as you can't walk through them

[deep copper]

"our" game

[proud jay]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1094730/Black_Legend/

don't hate too much

they're bankrupt now

[deep copper]

advertisement!

[proud jay]

well the banks are getting all the money now afaik

I quit before the game released

[timber viper]

i wonder how elden ring did them though

you can walk through them

[timber viper]

lol

how much they spent on it?

[proud jay]

idk exact cost

but the ceo/manager was a dumbass piece of shit

I know it was at least 350k +

[deep copper]

it looks cool tbh

[timber viper]

templar killing game sounds fun tho

[proud jay]

but don't know exactly

[deep copper]

where are ratings

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-gif-21870111

https://tenor.com/view/saywhat-huh-confused-iamconfused-youlyin-gif-22766635

[proud jay]

well working on it with like 10+ people for 2 years or some shit

people cost money

and offices cost money

and advertising costs money

everything costs money

there's a reason they're bankrupt though

[deep copper]

ah, it has 64 % mix reviews

[timber viper]

350k for this is much though

similar games are made with 30k in kickstarter

[proud jay]

idk what to tell you

[deep copper]

i guess bad budget management or planning or something

[proud jay]

already said CEO was a dumbass

and people cost a lot of money if they don't work for free

[timber viper]

i hope at least they paid you well 😄

but game still is nice

[proud jay]

not really

[deep copper]

should've tried #volunteer-projects !

[timber viper]

they are assholes then

[deep copper]

but 64% seems decent enough, it passed the 50% mark

so more than 50% people are happy

i assume

[timber viper]

less than 5k reviews

means you earned less than 350k

more or so

[proud jay]

I mean if you work with 6 people for 2 years, on moderate wage in belgium of 2k, that's ~2.3k that employer has to pay

then you're already at 350k pretty much

[regal pecan]

Those 30k on kickstarter are almost never the full sum of dev spending

[proud jay]

not taking into account offices, advertising, translations, testing and the whole shebang

[deep copper]

conclusion, teamworks cost

[proud jay]

if you're not working with people that work for free out of passion, believe me, costs go up quickly

[timber viper]

dunno something really seems went wrong

[proud jay]

especially in good ol belgium with extemely high labour costs

I think you underestimate the cost of a game

[timber viper]

I'm just arguing it could be more well managed

[deep copper]

it's practically more effort than making movies

medium movies

[proud jay]

the only way to bring costs down is making it faster

which sure, could've been done

but still, would be far above 30k

[timber viper]

and maybe hiring less people and going with freelancers?

and not self publishing

having a solid publisher support etc

[proud jay]

well then you need to find a publisher of course

which is not that easy either

[deep copper]

and finding can incur costs itself

[proud jay]

and freelancers are not really that much cheaper except for low labour cost countries

[deep copper]

maybe not much though idk game stuff

[proud jay]

• with full time people they are in the project entirely have knowledge of most things

[timber viper]

I think if none of the publishers like your game, something is also wrong though 😄

that means you have a terrible design

[regal pecan]

What publishers are looking for is past success.

[timber viper]

because they are also starving for good deals

[proud jay]

good thing I'm not a designer

also, the publisher still pays, so it's not like the cost is going down

it's just them fronting it

[regal pecan]

Was it GTA V that cost 100 million?

[timber viper]

237

only dev cost

[timber viper]

with that dumb CEO probably deal was going to be broke anyway 😄

[deep copper]

game industry is really costly eh

[regal pecan]

So you only have to build a game that's 1/237th the size for ONE MILLION DOLLARS

[proud jay]

red dead redemption cost like 500 million or something

[timber viper]

destiny 2 is 512

[deep copper]

512, good number

[timber viper]

I remember a small street in Division 2 took one million

I read an article about it

[proud jay]

anyway, main point is, people cost a lot of money

[deep copper]

AI game when

[timber viper]

thats why we should bring victorian era back and labour slaves

oh wait, activision already does

and before 2018 rockstar was

[deep copper]

labour slaves that are skilled enough ? how does that work ?

[proud jay]

if you remove labour costs, sure you can make a game for 30k

[timber viper]

they die if they are useless

[timber viper]

solo dev goes brr

[regal pecan]

You have to feed and house slaves. What you want are volunteers.

[deep copper]

solo dev still needs to sustain 😭

[timber viper]

I worked on my game for 2 years alone and wrote 75k lines of code along with hundreds of BP scripts... I wonder if I succeed to release, how much I'll be benefit from that 2 years

based on Dieter's math I already saved 350k

[deep copper]

you skipped a lot of steps so idk

like marketing and all that post publish stuff

[proud jay]

that's just slave labour for yourself

[regal pecan]

Getting the 350k to spend sounds like the more interesting hurdle.

[timber viper]

true

then we need to rob a bank

do you know any rich banks in belgium?

[proud jay]

also, I guess cost of living in Turkey might be slightly lower than belgium

all banks are rich lmao

[timber viper]

depends on which currency you are using

for me its ultimately cheap

I just work each 3 months for one week and can pay for anything

[proud jay]

easy life

I would definitely have to work 2 weeks every month to be able to survive

[deep copper]

self sponsered game

depends on what work though

[timber viper]

I cant pay for gamedev, everything is USD based in this industry

Im able to pay for living only

food, rent etc

[deep copper]

as per nature, suvival is important than paying for devs

[proud jay]

I mean you can ask other people in this chat with indie studio experience, but most games won't be much cheaper I think

I know another guy from an indie belgian game studio is in this server as well

but he still works for them and is the co founder, so I don't think he will want to disclose that :p

[deep copper]

so after it's done, probably

[open fog]

My game is 15 gigabyte so far

[timber viper]

mine is 30

[deep copper]

smaller than a dinosaur in ark

[cursive crypt]

Mine is infinite.

[open fog]

I don't understand the github so I use memory stick

[timber viper]

Recently I discovered if you do an NFT project, even if it sucks there are ventures willing to pay

they really dont care about game design or such

[open fog]

Who is nft

[timber viper]

if game is looking good they literally pay xd

[deep copper]

just add NFT to name then, nice, but you gotta release soon before the craze dies down

[cursive crypt]

famous game dealer

[open fog]

Ok

[timber viper]

just add web3 and nft keywords to somewhere and profit

you say

[deep copper]

my web3 nft untitled game

[cursive crypt]

My new eco friendly meta nft game 👍

[timber viper]

A game in web3

where you collect NFTs

[cursive crypt]

mmo too

[timber viper]

then it has to be done in BP

[cursive crypt]

You skin them.

Add a paint tool inside, make users make you nft, profit.

[deep copper]

and blockchain

i literally don't know how it's all related but whatever

[timber viper]

I dont even know what web3 is

are we in web2?

is discord web2

[deep copper]

web the third

[proud jay]

we're on web5 if you ask jack dorsey

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[deep copper]

world wide web web web

[cursive crypt]

We are in web3 already, it is www.something, triple w

When it was web 2, it was ww.google.com say.

[proud jay]

web3 is some decentralized crap shit

[open fog]

My game is you are wasp and you bite other wasp

[cursive crypt]

So, when we go to web5, it will be wwwww.google.com

[open fog]

Also you can eat wasp babies to obtain territory domination

[regal pecan]

crime against waspanity

[timber viper]

in medieval, countries were also decentralized, burocracy and living conditions improved with centralizations
so it looks like nothing modern

[deep copper]

yt has been showing me lots of ads related to web 3 occasionally, and they are all "what is web3" and how to make money with it or something. it really sounds like a scam no matter how i look at it

[timber viper]

imagine not using ad blocker

how do you even stand ads

[deep copper]

imagine not wanting to pay youtubers at all

either way i am on phone so lol

[timber viper]

idc about them much

tbh

[open fog]

Should we pay asmongold reacter reacter

[deep copper]

i wouldn't be happy if youtube decided to hide all videos behind a paywall one day because people stopped watching ads

[proud jay]

have you heard of youtube premium

[deep glen]

the amount of dev's I worked with that had to cancel their project because crypto-bros pulled out is too darn high.

[deep copper]

it's still only optional and yes yt shows it to me everyday

[regal pecan]

deal, but I get to choose which youtubers get money and which have to pay me for wasting my time

[proud jay]

well they get paid based on what you watch

[regal pecan]

but how do I know if I hate it until after I've watched it?

[deep copper]

and if you buy premium they get paid higher

[proud jay]

well even if you hate it, you still consumed their content

[timber viper]

i dont understand their faith in NFTs, last NFT studio I worked on was ful of nice people but they were religious af when it comes to this

[proud jay]

if you go to the cinema and you hate the movie, you still paid for it

you don't just get a refund cause you didn't like it

[timber viper]

"nooo how kotaku can say bad thing about NFTs "

[deep glen]

only if you walk out in the first 15-20 minutes.

(at least, in dutcherland)

[timber viper]

is it true there is no border between netherland and belgium 🤔

[proud jay]

well no physical border

but that's most of europe though

[timber viper]

like you can just walk by into netherlands

[proud jay]

yeah sure

it's called the schengen area

you can move freely within

[trail wedge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

[proud jay]

no border checks

[deep copper]

considering how close stuff is, i wouldn't be surprised you can walk through 3-4 countries a day in Europe

[proud jay]

you'll have to walk pretty fast for that

[trail wedge]

stand in a corner and you can do it real fast

[proud jay]

except at the crossing of 3 countries

[timber viper]

it looks so weird from Turkey perspective

border means full of walls and armed personnel for me

[deep copper]

wair turkey isn't in Europe 🤔

[proud jay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaalserberg#Three-country_point

[deep copper]

wait*

[timber viper]

not in Europe Union

[deep copper]

oh

so europe union basically made them all a single country but with regional flags and currency or something

interesting

[proud jay]

no

have you heard of the euro

it's not really regional

[deep copper]

wasn't there also pound

[proud jay]

yes

in uk

[deep copper]

and sterling or something

[timber viper]

brexit ftw

[proud jay]

not eu anymore btw

[deep copper]

idk

[proud jay]

but some countries have their own currency still

but it's the exception

like sweden

[open fog]

What currency has South Ireland

[deep copper]

so there are some regional currency, would get awkward if you walk for awhile and suddenly your money doesn't work

how do banks work?

[open fog]

Euro?

[proud jay]

most of those countries still accept euro as well though

[deep copper]

do they work all across eu

[proud jay]

also you can just withdraw the local currency from the atm

your bank will charge a conversion fee though

[deep copper]

that's convenient

[proud jay]

yes

if you mean the republic of ireland

[deep copper]

are vehicles of other countries also allowed then

i suppose they would be

[timber viper]

@proud jay if EU would choose a leader to the union, would you like it to be France or Germany?

[deep copper]

it would get messy if that happens i guess

[proud jay]

well, all european stuff is in brussels

so for political reasons it would probably be belgium

but there will never be a single leader country probably

brussels is capital of the EU

[timber viper]

what if they would form an army?

[deep copper]

whatever country is in the center maybe

[timber viper]

like a seperate union for it

like NATO

[deep copper]

the center country should be decently protected

[proud jay]

why would you need a single leading coutrny

[open fog]

Isn't that basically nato anyway

[timber viper]

because you can never agree in democracy

USA is secret leader of NATO

[proud jay]

not so secret

but that is just because of the power

[timber viper]

its not official anyway

[open fog]

Because they are most evil with most money

[deep copper]

i am guessing they would split up from the union if war etc happens

[proud jay]

most countries run on democracy

most of them are not failing

contrary to turkey

[deep copper]

patriotism hits different during war

[timber viper]

its their people though

[proud jay]

I mean, you know there is a european parliament and shit right

EU decided shit

[regal pecan]

I want to throw in a tϋrkiye for fun

[open fog]

Democracy unless you try to challenge reaganism you mean

[proud jay]

so why would someone other than that EU body regulate and control the army

[timber viper]

countries only care about their own profit so cant mostly rely on democracy for foreign affairs

I dont think France and Germany can get along about Russian issue right?

or UK and France about sea border issues

[deep copper]

which is why i feel they would act independently mostly,unless the enemy has more forces

[proud jay]

everyone hates russia

[timber viper]

Italy & Spain also has different ideas about Africa

[proud jay]

well no one will 100% agree on anything

[deep copper]

they might go democracy

[proud jay]

that's why you make plans and compromise to get a solution

[deep copper]

"most voted option gets chosen"

[timber viper]

you only compromise if you have no power

[proud jay]

not really

and that could be the case

e.g. if no country has the majority vote by itself, they have no power

so they have to compromise

[timber viper]

Could Germany not help Ukraine if it wasnt an economic superpower?

with that amount of pressure

[proud jay]

what do you mean

[timber viper]

they literally ignored whole EU and USA and sent nothing to Ukraine for months

[deep copper]

Ukrain is part of union?

[proud jay]

no

[timber viper]

no but was important for union

Ukraine making sure Europe is safe

war is at unions borders if Ukraine falls

[proud jay]

it's a very delicate question in global politics

[deep copper]

if it's not a part then i guess it's not reasonable from political view

[proud jay]

if war is in the union though, NATO can take action

[timber viper]

probably China also will

so Ukraine is very important 😄

[proud jay]

of course it is

but there's balances to be made

[deep copper]

china will help ukr ?

[proud jay]

EU can not survive if they fully destroy russia either atm

dependent on gas import

[deep copper]

globalization really made everyone dependent

[proud jay]

yes

and this war is defitely pushing EU away from globalization again

[deep copper]

is that why brexit happened

[timber viper]

most EU leaders writing articles about having an EU army these days

from foreign affairs to German army generals

[proud jay]

no brexit happened because some dumbasses thought the were not getting enough for what they contribute

[deep copper]

ah

[timber viper]

i think they profited more though

this year

[tidal ivy]

lol, no, maybe if you're an energy baron or something

[proud jay]

I mean, they pretty much pay more to the EU now for the same rights

[tidal ivy]

UK is in an inflation spiral at the moment

[proud jay]

and have nothing of the EU benefits

[deep copper]

poor UK 😔

[timber viper]

boris moment

[deep copper]

i need a map, a sec

[timber viper]

I remember I read an article about they were profiting more thanks to brexit but I'm not confident about that idea myself

[deep copper]

UK is an island

[timber viper]

what the hell is EuroGOOS

[proud jay]

and what do the colors mean lol

[timber viper]

i guess random

[proud jay]

Global ocean observing system

[timber viper]

nice, we are observing oceans together

[deep copper]

finland is stuck with russia too

[proud jay]

water policy and shit

[deep copper]

what's happening there

[proud jay]

agains contamination and the crap

making sure there is biodiversity

not too much fishing

[deep copper]

wait turkey is also an island under there

how cute

[deep glen]

I was here last year, soooo pretty

the three-country-point though is boring af XD

[deep copper]

Switzerland is smaller than i thought

[regal pecan]

Each country should put a soldier there who pretends to arrest anyone who stands on all three sides.

And they fight over who gets to arrest the miscreant.

[proud jay]

well isn't it just a stone with some markings on the floor

[deep copper]

that map doesn't have full names it seems

[proud jay]

where you from?

[deep glen]

in some american movie they do that at a four-county-thingy one, the murder being on one, the victim on another, and some police cops.

no clue what it was called though

[deep copper]

mac and mon still have small names

[proud jay]

macedonia

montenegro

[tidal ivy]

*North Macedonia

the other two are Kosovo and Montenegro

[deep copper]

ah, so they also shortened names here

i wonder if you can swim to other countries as well

some look close on map

[proud jay]

I mean if you jump in the water at the border and swim 5 meters and get out again

[tidal ivy]

the map is a little out of date; Czech Republic is now Czechia officially, and Turkey is Türkiye

[proud jay]

you can swim from france to uk

people have done it

it's only like 33km at the shortest opint

[deep copper]

ah yeah

[proud jay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_successful_English_Channel_swimmers

[deep copper]

LIST ?!

there's too many

[cursive crypt]

Not everyone knows how to type ü

[deep copper]

wait turkiye is asia 👁️

[proud jay]

part of it

[stiff crystal]

I didn't know about Czechia

[proud jay]

the country?

or the name?

[stiff crystal]

name

[timber viper]

Eurasia

like Russia

[proud jay]

was just gonna say same as russia 🥈

[stiff crystal]

was looking at some U20 hockey games last week and people just wrote czech republic for the team name there

but must have been some 3rd party site too

[deep copper]

why in the world did they split the continents half half like that

[timber viper]

its actually quite split already

Istanbul has a strait

[deep copper]

so there's EFTA i am guessing something non EU

[tidal ivy]

Istanbul is cut in half, yeah - half in Europe, half in Asia 😄

[proud jay]

constantinopel 😡

[deep copper]

whoever decided to split it this way really wanted some confusion

[proud jay]

pretty sure it's the fault of the romans

it was the capital of the east roman empire

[deep copper]

and why didn't we change it ?

[proud jay]

idk

why should we

[deep copper]

because it becomes easier?

i thought minimalistic approach was the thing now

[regal pecan]

call it Aisrope

[deep glen]

there is a word for that

eurasia

[proud jay]

^

[cursive crypt]

Command & Conquer flashbacks

[deep copper]

which is also a mishmash of names xD, but hey atleast it's easy to understand

[proud jay]

the continent split is on a river

in turkey at least

the Bosphorus strait

for russia the dividing part is the Ural Mountains

[deep copper]

well it's been left that way so i assume there's a really strong reason

i guess geographic terrain reasons do make sense

[proud jay]

cause continents are also irrelevant mostly

"europe" does nothing

european union is where it's at

which is defined by full countries

[deep copper]

except group a few countries xD, now everytime i say europe i skip half countries

i also gotta define what i mean by asia then, whether we including russia or not

and the rest of those countries which I can't remember

[proud jay]

russia is considered europe most of the time

cause the majority of the population lives in the european part

~75% of russians live in that part

if you say europe though I will probably not think of turkey

but if you say asia, I will probably also not think of turkey

sorry @timber viper

[timber viper]

haha

[proud jay]

now if you say middle east

that's where I would think of turkey

[timber viper]

Kinda true, but technically we are all three of them

Russia think we are European, Europe thinks we are Asian/Middle Eastern, Middle East just hates us purely

[proud jay]

no one likes turkey

that's why they try to rebrand as turkiye

no one will notice

[timber viper]

Hey it was suppose to be a secret

[cursive crypt]

Speak for yourself. I like turkey. With veggies.

[deep copper]

same actually

[cursive crypt]

Also, I took care of some when I was a kiddo. The males are assholes.

[cursive crypt]

I think depends on who you ask. I bet, some nationalists love the country.

[deep copper]

you can see how when i said tukey is part of Europe, you said yes , and when i said asia you also went yes lmao

[timber viper]

Turkish peope loves Turkey

[deep copper]

this is why i think the continents split doesn't make sense, then again, if countries at borders split it would get confusing

[timber viper]

rest of middle east doesnt like us

for two reasons

1- our government made dumb mistakes by obeying what USA wants

2- historical

[cursive crypt]

Could be because of your all-know-how president?

[timber viper]

yes, but otherwise they would still hate us because we carry the legacy of Ottoman

[deep copper]

ottoman?

[timber viper]

Ottoman Empire?

[proud jay]

ok but why did this chick swim over the english channel 44 times?

[timber viper]

bored

[stiff crystal]

morning swim

[deep copper]

exercise?

[stiff crystal]

also.. leaderboard

[deep copper]

ah

[timber viper]

The Arab Revolt (Arabic: الثورة العربية, al-Thawra al-‘Arabiyya; Turkish: Arap İsyanı / Arap Ayaklanması or Arap İhaneti lit. "The Arab Betrayal") or the Great Arab Revolt (Arabic: الثورة العربية الكبرى, al-Thawra al-‘Arabiyya al-Kubrá) was a military uprising of Arab forces against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Eastern theatre of World War I. On the basis of the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, an agreement between the British government and Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, the revolt was officially initiated at Mecca on June 10, 1916.[a] The aim of the revolt was to create a single unified and independent Arab state stretching from Aleppo in Syria to Aden in Yemen, which the British had promised to recognize.

[deep copper]

ah yeah, british interference in the past really split a lot of stuff xD

[cursive crypt]

Sleep deprivation? Nothing more interesting to do? Unpaid bills? /shrug

[deep copper]

but they ended up with just turkiye

[timber viper]

we ended up with this actually

we had to fight with all to become Turkiye again

[proud jay]

ottoman empire was lit

[deep copper]

..

[timber viper]

before 18th century 😂

[deep copper]

that's some intense battle

[timber viper]

I would never want to be a citizen during 18-20th centuries

[deep copper]

and you end up not even being a part of a continent 😭

[proud jay]

you didn't learn of the ottoman empire in high school @deep copper ?

[deep copper]

you think i paid attention?

[timber viper]

he lives in Asia so probably no

[proud jay]

valid point

[timber viper]

afaik only Japan, Korea and China teaches Ottoman and Ataturk

[deep copper]

they do teach outside history a lot so idk if they did

[timber viper]

maybe Malaysia and Indonesia too since majority is Muslim

[proud jay]

au certified weeb

[deep copper]

but since it's mostly unrelated no one would care

[cursive crypt]

Talking about weebs, no more Mako 🤔

[proud jay]

he's been gone for a while

[deep copper]

reminds me,i had a chat with mako

[proud jay]

maybe a female entered his workspace

his words

[timber viper]

did you know it's actually also a war against Ottoman?

[proud jay]

ok but did you know we murdered frenchies cause they couldn't pronounce a dutch word though

[timber viper]

i was heard of it

why u hate French

[proud jay]

fuck french

they oppressed us

[timber viper]

when

[cursive crypt]

Can't blame ya, pretty weird language. You write one, you read other.

[proud jay]

they feel better than us

[timber viper]

why

[deep copper]

Well, I've been fed up with some veteran kneejerk-ness there, and some harassment on how I'm being more open about what I like. It's just not good for my mental well being anymore.
But yeah, for many reasons, I permanently left the server for my sanity
If anything it's nothing to do with Unreal Engine, I'm still doing it, just distancing myself from bad influence

[proud jay]

ah he has to enter the full weeb zone

[deep copper]

those are three messages btw

[proud jay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matins_of_Bruges

[deep copper]

i think what you pasted does include that part 🤔

[deep copper]

wait what

[proud jay]

see this

[timber viper]

hmm

[proud jay]

in short

fuck the french

it led to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs

which is probably the most famous flemish battle in history

not that there are that many lol

[deep copper]

that's kinda sad

[timber viper]

your ancestors was lit

[deep copper]

when you filter out based on accent

[proud jay]

well not really on accent

the french would just be unable to pronounce that

even the french that spoke some dutch

so it's more distinguising the french from the flemish

[deep copper]

did they not have a specific part to pronounce it?

can you pronounce it 🤔

[proud jay]

the sch part is very hard to pronounce for french people

the sound does not exist in french

they would say sk instead

[deep copper]

and that's not accent huh

[proud jay]

lol of course, I was born in a hospital in the city this battle took place in

[deep copper]

:/

[proud jay]

my parents lived 10 kilometers away from it

[deep copper]

that's a , gruesome way to say yes 😅

[timber viper]

suddenly Rider thinks RHICreateDepthStencilState can implicitly convert FGameplayTagBlueprintPropertyMap with ctor

[proud jay]

makes sense

[deep copper]

it's a power you gain for not being a part of any continent

[timber viper]

FDepthStencilStateRHIRef RHICreateDepthStencilState(const FDepthStencilStateInitializerRHI& Initializer)

[timber viper]

Can you know what your ancestors was going at medieval?

[deep copper]

that thing is 4 lines for me xD

[timber viper]

Ottoman records are not so extensive so I only can learn until 18th century

and my ancestors only stayed in same city

even during Greek invasion (which caused a massive exodus to capital)

[deep copper]

they can trace what ancestors they had, works well in EU countries so probably

[proud jay]

what do you mean?

[timber viper]

like where they were located during medieval era

[proud jay]

like my family tree specifically?

[timber viper]

yep

[proud jay]

yeah

I have a family tree back into the 1400s or something

[deep copper]

that's fun

hey that's historic

[proud jay]

I could check if you want to know exact date

but the records were pretty well kept in flanders by the church

my father has spent years of his life finding all that stuff out

[timber viper]

I only managed to find useful info for WW1

and Independence war I posted

One of them is taken prisoner by Italians but somehow ended up being rich in WW1
other one died in Gallipoli by getting shot at its chest
my dad's grandfather fought with Greeks in where I live currently

[proud jay]

yeah my family pretty much stayed in a radius of 50 km in the last 500 years lol

[deep copper]

that's cool

[timber viper]

break the chain

[deep copper]

it's your turf

[timber viper]

move to greenland

[deep copper]

or whatever is on the other end of earth for you

[proud jay]

you can see the spread of my family name in belgium https://familienaam.be/Tack

people registered with that name in 2008

[deep copper]

that's awesome

[proud jay]

as you can see we stick to the western parts

[deep copper]

you are tack then?

[proud jay]

yes

which is also swedish for thanks

fun facts

but also, dutch for branch or twig

so less cool

but without the c in dutch

[deep copper]

F your notes are out of space, guess i will forget it then

[proud jay]

you can remove my 14 children

I have forgotten about them by now

[deep copper]

oh, okay

[proud jay]

mainly because they were never real

it's not that hard to find my info

you know my name

[deep copper]

i also removed that they were from same wife

[proud jay]

you know my face

I have linked my portfolio here before

I'm not very secretive

[deep copper]

tack you ! (?)

it's short and sweet

[proud jay]

just tack is enough in swedish

[deep copper]

yes,! so asking is easier than looking anything up lol

[deep copper]

do you speak swedish ?

[proud jay]

a little

[deep copper]

i also removed 39, Euzbeskitan or something and gay

[proud jay]

can anyone explain why Teams has an emoji for "avocado love"

au would love it

it's 2 avocado halves hugging

[deep copper]

😳

https://tenor.com/view/valentines-day-love-you-avocado-i-love-you-soul-mate-gif-16309509

is this related

there's many gifs on this too

[proud jay]

it's more a hug on teams

why is this a thing

[deep copper]

maybe a cultural thing somewhere

to hug like avacados

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/avocado-pair-dancing-gif-6131137

[deep copper]

he, that's fun

[timber viper]

Euzbeskitan
you mean Ozbekistan

[deep copper]

idk what i mean but dieter has said this before, it started with eu and ended with tan

[proud jay]

this

[supple apex]

EU-tan? 🤔

[proud jay]

but I was wrong

it's uzbekistan

no e

[timber viper]

Özbekistan 😎

its actual name ^

[deep copper]

@timber viper

[supple apex]

Never heard of euzbekistan, you mean uzbekistan?

[proud jay]

have you heard of reading the last 6 messages

[deep copper]

i am so slow 😭

[timber viper]

Just trying to find my sword because Dieter pronounced wrong

[supple apex]

Nope, at mobile~

[proud jay]

you can hear my pronunciation?

are you in my house

[deep copper]

have you tried reading messages while searching historical messages 😢

[timber viper]

you never know

[proud jay]

please leave

[timber viper]

i might be or i might not be

[supple apex]

You don't read that fast while writing at mobile.

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[proud jay]

lol just reminded of this https://youtu.be/DdCYMvaUcrA

[deep copper]

oh no ! poor dieter T_T never managed to move out of 50km

[timber viper]

too bad he didnt manage to break the chain

maybe I can just move his house to Turkey

[deep copper]

if you push hard enough

[supple apex]

What u gonns do with the sword? 🤔

[timber viper]

Dieter be like

why the hell I can buy everything with 10 euros

[deep copper]

dieter said how they killed people in the past for wrong pronounciation

[timber viper]

thats what Dieter's ancestors did to French people

[proud jay]

man I'm gonna be rich turk

[supple apex]

Ah... this talk sure went dark 🤔

[proud jay]

pretty sure there's plenty of light in turkey as well

and no french oppression, win win

[deep copper]

this difference is kinda weird, btw TedDraws was telling how high their internet cost is recently, i guess it's another difference like thisw

[supple apex]

Help spread the love AU, killing is bad, hugs good.

[proud jay]

well depends on how much Ted earns I guess

[timber viper]

internet cost is 8 euros

for 50mbit

[deep copper]

crush to death !

[timber viper]

for 15 you can get up to 1gbit

[deep copper]

but no atm for auto currency conversion right

[supple apex]

Now that's an unexpected response 😅

[proud jay]

my internet is 58 euros for unlimited internet 300 mbps speed

[timber viper]

[deep copper]

never let them know your next move !

[timber viper]

thats too much

20x more than us

[proud jay]

good thing we have competition on internet in belgium

oh wait

it's a duopoly

big sad

[deep copper]

ikr, ted was similar case, 200x or 100x more than me

[proud jay]

I can go up to 1Gbps speed for 15 euro extra hooray

except I don't even get the 300mbps I pay for now lol

it's "theoretical maximum"

[deep copper]

and after that you explode 😳

[proud jay]

good thing my work pays for my home intenet

saved

[deep copper]

didn't it also pay for transport

no wonder you left game dev

[proud jay]

I have a car with gas yeah

well tbh I did have a company car as game dev as well

it's pretty common in belgium

causes taxes are ass

[deep copper]

.. no wonder that guy spent 340k

[proud jay]

and you don't pay taxes on the benefit of giving your employee a car

at least not much

so if my employer leases car for 500 euros a month, I pay maybe like 40 euro tax on that

if I would get a 500 euro raise, I would pay 200+ euros tax on that

[deep copper]

hey cool

that's something which will force people to work

[proud jay]

and my employer would pay ~150 euro on top of that in tax as well

well no

it's forcing people to avoid taxes by not paying in wage but in benefits

[deep copper]

... so atleast your work conditions are cool !

[proud jay]

I guess

[deep copper]

though wage might have been more useful

[proud jay]

but we get taxed up the wazoo

[deep copper]

now you just get benefits because why not

[proud jay]

well I need a car anyway

so good that I get one from work

[deep copper]

i suppose that's true

[timber viper]

Dieter's company look so cool to work in

people either trying to hide their sadness or happy af, not sure 😄

[deep copper]

and you want to shift him to turkiye

[proud jay]

you can join me

we always hire people

[timber viper]

but yeah they try to advertise their working conditions a lot

[proud jay]

if you're somewhat of a competent programmer

[deep copper]

maybe this is a pyramid scheme 🤔

[timber viper]

I am a competent junior, but doomed to live in Turkey forever 😄

[proud jay]

if you do come here

please tell me

I get a recruitment bonus

[timber viper]

haha, alright 😄

[proud jay]

shilling out, give me your money https://careers.omp.com/

[deep copper]

his 50km turf and company is solid

[supple apex]

Why so eren?

[deep copper]

because they couldn't intax

[timber viper]

I want to study aerospace and participate in defence industry in Turkey

I had two chances to leave already but refused all

[deep copper]

determination!

[proud jay]

why not work in defence of other countries

[deep copper]

loyalty to otto rebels

[supple apex]

Ah, I see.
Aerospace and defense, turkey made some competitive drones and missile if I'm not mistaken?
Haven't heard much about the aerospace.

[timber viper]

Being raised in Turkey is not same as being raised in Europe though, you grow nationalist and reserved even if your parents are really objective about this topic

[proud jay]

if belgium ever gets attacked I'm out of here lmao

I couldn't care less

[timber viper]

You watch terrorist attacks and live with horror stories your country is going to be collapsed one day in your primary school age

[deep copper]

but your turf ?

[fleet tangle]

Being raised in Turkey is not same as being raised in Turkey

[timber viper]

lmao

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/same-different-but-still-gif-18224441

[fleet tangle]

I mean, I wouldn't like to be raised inside a turkey or in Turkey.

Both uncomfortably hot, I imagine.

[timber viper]

lol I do similar typos all the time but this one was most funny

[timber viper]

yes, TB2 is popular af

and it's missile system

[deep copper]

do you like missiles?

[proud jay]

I still don't know what the difference is between being raised in Turkey vs being raised in Turkey though

[timber viper]

send my regards to her

[timber viper]

I corrected as Europe

[proud jay]

clearly

can't even cross the border in Turkey smh

how embarrassing

[timber viper]

You wouldnt want to cross the border to Iraq or Syria though

why would you xD

also not Iran either

[proud jay]

I love the taste of explosions

and civil war

[supple apex]

🤦‍♂️

[deep copper]

i kinda like how missiles look

[timber viper]

explosions still exist but sadly /s civil war ended a few years ago

[proud jay]

oh no so sad

so who are they exploding

[supple apex]

I love discussion and healthy negotiations, civil war and explosions only look good in stories and games.

[proud jay]

I don't think anyone is unironically advocating for civil war here lol

[timber viper]

did you know there are more than a few hundreds terrorist groups in a very small part of Syria

[deep copper]

i recall talking to strivvy who said something like that is inevitable in america in a few years now

[cursive crypt]

heh, lich laura showed

[proud jay]

but what defines a civil war

[supple apex]

Typing in mobile sure is hard, dunno how you people get it that fast and precise.

[deep copper]

now you definitely gotta love missiles

[timber viper]

today they agree seperation, both Syrian gov and others

no one tries to unite the country

[cursive crypt]

Someone wanted to sacrifice fruits to your altar earlier, don't remember who 🤔

[timber viper]

so no war happens between them

[proud jay]

it only counts as civil war if it's from the Civile region of France

[supple apex]

Hopefully not happening, but we'll see.

[timber viper]

so civil war is #cpp?

[deep copper]

and people like XeRo complaint if you can't get a capitalisation right , hmph !

[timber viper]

"ref vs value"

state pattern

[proud jay]

why is your inventory not a subsystem

[timber viper]

it needs to interop with gas across multiple modules

[deep copper]

if it's not on web3 what's the point

/#

s*

[proud jay]

every line of my code is minted as nft

[timber viper]

jokes aside fast inverse square root code would be a nice NFT

people would pay for it

[proud jay]

dumb people yeah

[deep copper]

are nfts trademarked btw ? how do they maintian it's uniqueness thing

[timber viper]

$1mil for "// what the fuck" part

[proud jay]

nfts themselves are uniuqe

the thing they refer to not

if you wanted you could make 4000 nfts "pointing" to the same artwork

[deep copper]

and it won't be unfair ?

by nft rules

[proud jay]

what is fair or unfair about it

an nft is just an entry in the block chain with some description

You could literally mint something that does not refer to antyhing, so just a token on the blockchain and that would count as nft

it's literally just a token

nothing behind it

[deep copper]

i see, but this thing sure is perfectly set up for scams lol, confusing

[proud jay]

yup

the only value from nfts comes from selling to bigger idiots

[fleet tangle]

Much like cryptocurrency as a whole, really.

[timber viper]

If whole world goes dumb while NFTs ruling the economy and UE31 becomes popular, I'll send our convos as NFTs in #cpp

[deep copper]

i always wonder how the people who pay for nfts got the money anyway

[proud jay]

other scams

rich parents?

[timber viper]

sadly Miguel will earn the most of the money

[proud jay]

selling nudes?

[deep copper]

sell that as nft ?

[proud jay]

you're way behind

[deep copper]

so it's also a scam

[proud jay]

now you're thinking with your brain

[fleet tangle]

Are you employed to be snarky on discord? 😛

[deep copper]

they are exployed by ms

micrsoft

o*

Okay i give up fixing that

[timber viper]

so forever?

[fleet tangle]

Flash, aaah aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, he wiped every one of us!

[timber viper]

Exploying would be a nice English word

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/forget-it-flash-men-in-black-will-smith-gif-19235596

you

[timber viper]

turns out u were exployed from MS

[deep copper]

employed* i meant

[proud jay]

ex-employed

[timber viper]

they is u

[proud jay]

easy english

[timber viper]

because u are multiple persons

Laura & Luara

[proud jay]

and Lorash the cat

@Lorash

wait

where did it go

[deep copper]

the other lorash never replied to me btw

[proud jay]

@zinc matrix

saved

[deep copper]

wait which is the fake lorash

#0019?

[timber viper]

can we talk about HoJo clones though

wait

HOJO CLONES ARE GONE

[deep copper]

they were there this morning

[proud jay]

they're all real to me

[timber viper]

oh

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[proud jay]

ffs slow internet today

[timber viper]

so real question is

[proud jay]

this is what I pay 58 euros for smh

[timber viper]

are they 1 person with 4 troll accounts

or 4 people with single accounts

[proud jay]

yes

[timber viper]

or 2 people with 2 accounts

or all of them are actual hojo

[timber viper]

get rekt

[deep copper]

i am guessing it's hojo alts for when they want to avoid dms

[proud jay]

@mild willow @idle orbit @smoky vapor @cunning quartz are any of you real?

[deep copper]

idk, ask hojo

maybe this solution worked best

[timber viper]

when they appeared btw?

2020?

Hojo was quite popular back then

before having a child

[deep copper]

irl child or discord

[proud jay]

look at that one poser not even having a capital J

[timber viper]

irl

i mean

how can you have a child in discord lol

[deep copper]

ask tank

[timber viper]

tank adopted though

[proud jay]

adopted people are not real children?

[timber viper]

well Laura is not real

so yeah

its AI generated by MJ

[proud jay]

kinda racist to the Lauranians ngl

[deep copper]

time for our pills ?

[timber viper]

💊

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ByIyday5juHrtjs9UyrgkCvg4_8S5c5ff9PKZmX3V7c/https/media.tenor.com/SeDdyP33p7MAAAPo/miracle-praying.mp4

[deep copper]

is this a new rival cult for dragonHell

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-hello-you-there-gif-12778760

[timber viper]

is this why they call you "they"

you and your dolls

poor darth vader unable to kiss because of mask

[deep copper]

i mean, look at all the branches of linux, they aren't good at everything

[proud jay]

also the face burnt to a crisp doesn't help I think

[timber viper]

because dragonHell is using Win11

[proud jay]

does darth vader have lips left?

[timber viper]

XII?

wait

TE is dragonHell?

[fleet tangle]

Best fillmmmmmm

[timber viper]

maybe its a disguise

so we wont know

[deep copper]

hey respect whatever they are into

[timber viper]

i do

i just stated darth vaders suffering

[fleet tangle]

It's not a mask, it's a dark helmet.

[deep copper]

maybe they are enjoying that

you never know

[timber viper]

maybe I'm the darth vader, how do you know?

[deep copper]

maybe to avoid all the popularity they went down that route, makes sense

[deep copper]

because you use swords and not lightsaber

[fleet tangle]

I expect Darth Vader types a little slower, he has those thick gloves and everything.

[timber viper]

then

EMILY IS DARTH VADER

[deep copper]

the flower long para person?

[timber viper]

yeah

Laura's goddess

not mine

i'm free to not believe

[deep copper]

okay so dragonHell and Emily cult exist, and Laura cult is a derived work on both

[timber viper]

she can burn me in hell

Emily cult existed suddenly when Laura decided to

dragonHell was an accepted culture among cpp

[deep copper]

so Emily cult is under Laura cult

and Laura is like the preacher thing of dragonHell

i have never felt their presence in #lounge in my entire lifetime

so a #cpp only devotee

[timber viper]

Prophets only sent to populations that are doomed

[deep copper]

ah

[timber viper]

based on theology

[deep copper]

the scriptures

[timber viper]

thats how major 3 religions describe i think

[deep copper]

which are major 3?

that makes me feel XII might actually be a Prophet's work

[timber viper]

Christianity, Judaism and Muslim (major 3 == highest 3 population)

[fleet tangle]

That's how toothpaste became a thing. People didn't used to care about bad breath. Someone invented halitosis and suddenly it's a thing.

[supple apex]

#lounge sure flows fast, pretty sure this isn't weekend.

[timber viper]

that's UE

and UDN

[deep copper]

i have work to do, look at me indulging in cult talks of a place i never visit

[fleet tangle]

Or, well, maybe mouthwash. Or the fresh minty smelling breath at least.

[deep copper]

and midjourney

people were drawing art fine without it

but hey

[timber viper]

do you ever work

its handshakes now

[supple apex]

Bless your soul child, better repent, 99.99 dollars per salvation if you order now!

[deep copper]

how much is that in hugs?

[timber viper]

Rider can display NaN as FLT_MAX

so you're doomed

[supple apex]

Umm, 1 unicorn worth of hugs?

[deep copper]

so about a few million ?

[timber viper]

yes

it shows a corrupted value verry close to FLT_MAX instead of NaN

[supple apex]

Not a silicon valley unicorn, that's too much.

[deep copper]

then, half that ?

[timber viper]

usual kid things

iirc its even negative FLT_MAX

[deep copper]

eren sounds like those worried messengers that come to cult heads at start of movies

[supple apex]

Since I'm so generous, I'll give it for free for first try, 2nd try you can psy with your soul~

[timber viper]

I'm here to warn you against a flood

nothing unusual

[supple apex]

What am I talking about here btw, sigh...

[deep copper]

we both should get back to work 🚟 , after you give it for free

😔 *

[supple apex]

Should call an isekai hero.
(Wrong kind of flood)

[timber viper]

I'll just spawn Natsuki Subaru

[deep copper]

or that person which swim 44 times across the border

i think eren was here when dieter posted that

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/rezero-natsuki-subaru-anime-cry-crying-gif-5673802

[deep copper]

should get the references

[supple apex]

AU == eiyuu, we got our isekai hero here all along apparently 🤔
How did I miss that.

[supple apex]

Dropped that series on the 2nd book or something, when things got a bit weird.

[timber viper]

is 2nd book == s2?

[cursive crypt]

Someone stole his teddy bear?

[deep copper]

🫂

[supple apex]

Dunno, maybe, second book of the manga.

[timber viper]

||he just died multiple times and saw his loved ones dying with tremendous amount of pain and has to see same things over and over||

nothing unusual

[deep copper]

i left it when stuff just starts going really downhill, in the novel

[cursive crypt]

ooh, you never know with these mangas

[deep copper]

||when he stops using his power||

[timber viper]

S2 was trash

S1 was lit

[supple apex]

How do you do spoiler?

[timber viper]

||

wrap with this

[cursive crypt]

Send me money, will tell.

[supple apex]

||test||

[cursive crypt]

That will cost 1$

[deep copper]

||how did it feel?||

[supple apex]

||Who died? Rem? Emilia? Forgot, it's been awhile||

[deep copper]

||it just hit me but won't mods get super tired of clicking on these and just not do it||

[timber viper]

yes

😄

||all died||

[supple apex]

||Dark and gloomy, black||

[deep copper]

||you mean forgotten? rem did||

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-anime-anime-sad-rem-subaru-gif-21918005

this part was awesome

Zennodez

[deep glen]

this chat feels like a document signed by trump that got uncovered by the fbi

[supple apex]

Sigh~

[timber viper]

hey it was his papers that he wrote and censored for fun in Word 2016, ok?

[cursive crypt]

ah, wait, I know that anime

[timber viper]

Re:Zero

[deep copper]

this was still all good

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, was some weird stuff with a lot of Loading.

[deep copper]

i just hate how the novel goes later, i hope anime does it better

[supple apex]

Thought you were tagging along just now, didn't realized you missed the reference.

[cursive crypt]

Don't remember what happened at the end 🤔 Guess it didn't finished.

[timber viper]

wait, so u gave spoilers about s3 and onwards?

when you mean he wont use powers

[deep copper]

yeah

||infact he gains other stuff i guess but that was like, not my cup of tea||

[cursive crypt]

nah, occasionally I have a look at the chat - there is too much mumbo-jumbo usually 🙂

[deep copper]

i actually dont know if that's S3, maybe S4

i read quite far

i hope after that volume he is forced to use it again though

but well

stuff just won't be the same

[timber viper]

stop talking pls 🥲

[deep copper]

😭 okay, but it's fun till before that point

maybe it gets better later again idk

[timber viper]

real problem is

he didnt have powers

he barely was able to do things

[deep copper]

can i spoiler more ?

[timber viper]

now I know his powers will get stronger

[timber viper]

noo

stop

[deep copper]

i don't actually know if they will, but there were strong implications

okay i am stopping

[timber viper]

I'm close to block u

[deep copper]

though you would probably forget it all till the anime is out

[timber viper]

my memory is very selective

i wont forget

[deep glen]

shhh

[deep copper]

let's overwrite it with something, more memorable ?

[supple apex]

Pandas?

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-tumbles-down-pandas-rolling-down-cute-pandas-gif-14999627

be sure to add god rays

shafts need the sun eren said

[supple apex]

Winner takes all, losers fumble and tumble, cruel panda world...

Back to work it is then~

[deep copper]

okay now i am going off, I won't open discord again hopefully, or for a few days, i really gotta finish this stuff lol