#lounge
timber viper
deep copper
it doesn't ๐ค
regal pecan
you've killed Manny
turbid spindleBOT
@deep copper, :8ball: Outlook not so good.
regal pecan
or was it the alien-cat mafia
deep copper
trickster tank ๐ญ
deep copper
!8ball attack tank
turbid spindleBOT
@deep copper, :8ball: It is certain.
timber viper
!8ball attack tank
@ionic flame can you see that agressive behavior
how'd you judge this
deep copper
change your name to TheTankThatTouchesYou for protest!
deep copper
hey that's CE!
timber viper
yes
timber viper
I'm in contact with him
deep copper
i see i see ๐
timber viper
After our last conversation I'm still amazed by his teachings about LD
I was hoping to learn some LD tricks but what he explains changes the way you perceive the world
deep copper
that's our ce for you!
timber viper
sad part is I realized my game sucks ๐ฅฒ
regal pecan
hah
timber viper
it took me some time to redesign some of the things
and I still regret deciding on doing an arcade
if I knew what he teached me earlier I could create something better from zero
regal pecan
Level design for an arcade game? ...Or an arcade?
timber viper
I'd not create an arcade at all and probably do something has a proper storytelling and world elements -- if I understood what you are asking correctly
regal pecan
The question was to distinguish if you meant a single arcade game or a room full of game cabinets. Apparently the latter. I suppose it's possible to do storytelling with that.
...But then, I don't even know what "world elements" are.
timber viper
It's the thing I learned from CE, I had no idea about it too ๐ I was meant a single arcade shooter game
but its probably not wise to formalize it as "world elements" too, maybe I could just say "world" too
deep copper
if I knew what he teached me earlier I could create something better from zero
or you would not pay attention to what he said because it costed you nothing
now the game making costed you some time so you learned better the hard way what not to do!
timber viper
it costed me time and energy though, but I already fixed the errors I could think after our conversations -- its just the nature of arcade games not letting you tell a story properly
you lose a lot of potential
deep copper
maybe CE should write an article on it so we can redirect people there
regal pecan
As good as you make it sound, CE could sell an ebook.
But I'd like to think there's room for games without storytelling.
deep copper
it's nothing extreme ๐ข
deep copper
so compile it to an article? cool
timber viper
I promised I'll do that
but I want to release a game first to explain based on my own examples
deep copper
But I'd like to think there's room for games without storytelling.
i hope so, or maybe there's minor storytelling involved idk
you know, small naunces stuff
timber viper
currently I'm trying to tell some small stories by character responses to world events
deep copper
but I want to release a game first to explain based on my own examples
hey that's cool
timber viper
but no story progression happens since it's a wave based zombie killing game
regal pecan
Destiny got some flak for trying to tell more storytelling than it could fit in the game... by not fitting it in the game.
deep copper
but no story progression happens since it's a wave based zombie killing game
well, you kill more zombies later so.. is that not enough? ๐ค
regal pecan
Kind of a strange predicament to put a game into, where you need a mobile app to understand the significance of what's going on.
timber viper
well, you kill more zombies later so.. is that not enough? ๐ค
you stay in a relatively small level and keep killing zombies coming at you, progression happens by weapon upgrades and unlocked items etc
so its not enough
deep copper
Kind of a strange predicament to put a game into, where you need a mobile app to...
that sounds like the game was advertisment for the app ๐
timber viper
Kind of a strange predicament to put a game into, where you need a mobile app to...
who plays destiny for its story anyway ๐
probably they only did it for the fans
regal pecan
Considering the game industry has a history of treating writers as caulk
useful for filling gaps and empty spaces, with no actual adhesive qualities
timber viper
I'm quite against that approach, I think everything should given to player in game
deep copper
that does makes sense, there's already tons of memes about gamers skipping story too
timber viper
that does makes sense, there's already tons of memes about gamers skipping story...
because of bad storytelling
regal pecan
The way they treated story in Destiny (2?) feels more like they let the writers do something great, but realized too late that the gameplay and story teams were never integrated.
timber viper
you cant skip story in dishonored games, because your actions is the story
regal pecan
And ended up hacking the story team's work to pieces in a vain effort to salvage the man hours.
deep copper
this makes it all seem so sad
deep copper
you cant skip story in dishonored games, because your actions is the story
that does sound like a good strategy to mix with games
timber viper
I think dishonored is one of the very rare games does what CE explains perfectly
it lets you create your own stories by giving you plots properly
timber viper
its victorian era
what's "that"
kind of
and dishonored does it perfectly i think
ah, DH2 sucks
I couldnt play after 2 hours
deep copper
so another game ruined in other part...
timber viper
I enjoyed every bit of it, but ending mission was awful
best mission was what AU sent as gif
i guess ๐
timber viper
so another game ruined in other part...
they just abused what they did in first game
anything you do affect the world and if you dont play as a nice person (kill innocent people etc) game punishes you very hard
||i killed the guy who creates robots|| then never played again
deep copper
||is that really Victorian era||
regal pecan
in the sense that the dishes are made of porcelain
deep copper
i see ๐ค
timber viper
i saw that
timber viper
I enjoyed every bit of it, but ending mission was awful
most funny part was ||you can let the captain get arrested to not kill him but after scripted events trigger and soldiers come to arrest him, they see dead bodies somewhere and captain runs aways and gets killed by guards again :D||
13 years old me was very surprised
gusty star
I think bioshock broke my brain cuz I really dont like linear stories in games now lol
timber viper
and its a joke the villain in far cry 4 actually respects you and you fight just because you couldnt wait 20 mins
gusty star
ye
timber viper
I think bioshock broke my brain cuz I really dont like linear stories in games n...
bioshock infinite โค๏ธ
gusty star
I mean the OG game is v linear
timber viper
I already forgot %95 of it
I'll play it again
was one of the best games I've ever played
tell me your fav game
gusty star
but its a deconstruction of that type of game, like the whole ||would you kindly thing is a nod to the fact that you never had a choice but to go forward to the next scripted event||.
regal pecan
I was somewhat disappointed with how they followed that up in Bioshock.
gusty star
Yeah the og dev team and kevin levine weren't really involved as much after the first game afaik nvm he was still the lead writer? ๐ค weird
cursive crypt
Steampunk ain't my thing too ๐ค
timber viper
Steampunk ain't my thing too ๐ค
heretic
cursive crypt
Not bad game
regal pecan
I meant more the latter third of the game after the twist
timber viper
singleplayer
timber viper
Not bad game
still heretic
timber viper
i actually love dieselpunk but cant really find much examples of it
cursive crypt
Huh... I can't remember even one now.
timber viper
there is a mobile game called 1945, its actually awesome in terms of displaying dieselpunk theme
regal pecan
Say you break (really, you invert it) an unspoken contract with the player. There should be no take backs. You've set your course and you're obligated to double down.
To try and mend that contract or restore things to the way they were before is actually breaking it twice, and undermining the reason it was broken in the first place, if it's been done deliberately.
timber viper
i think a dieselpunk anime would be damn cool @ionic flame what do you think
saga of tanya had some vibes of it
but ww1
maybeeee girls und panzer, only battle scenes
gusty star
Idk honestly Portal 2 is unparalleled in its writing and story but its star studded so its almost not fair lol
regal pecan
That's a diesel punk. Completely different.
timber viper
https://tenor.com/view/c10drag-truck-square-body-diesel-drag-truck-gif-25207146
atmosphere
rip oxygen
gusty star
ye
cursive crypt
Reducing the sun exposure, doing what they can.
gusty star
idk how to define Portal 2 aesthetically
cursive crypt
We all know it, no need.
timber viper
i didnt even hear about it
cursive crypt
kena-chan
gusty star
I don't even really play singleplayer games much anymore, tho I don't really count Rimworld and Dwarf Fortress lol
hmm I should say story driven single player games
regal pecan
do the characters develop/transform over the course of the story?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1954200/Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits/
this isn't even out yet
gusty star
Somewhat yeah but you kind of have to sus out the story by reading mood panels and the like lol.
Idk it isn't quite the same
there are characters, they develop, but it isn't presented to you in a simplified way by a writer
cursive crypt
do the characters develop/transform over the course of the story?
She maybe ages later in the game, that a development.
regal pecan
She maybe ages later in the game, that a development.
I'm tempted to argue it doesn't. Unlike reality, a fictional character develops and transforms through their personality and perspective, not strictly their physical state.
gusty star
Homeworld 3 will probably be insane
didn't play the other ones, but the production value looks high
cursive crypt
I'm tempted to argue it doesn't. Unlike reality, a fictional character develops ...
She does not get old? Sad.
gusty star
nah the sci-fi grand strategy
loving me some grand strategy lately
crusader kings 3?
someone described it to me, and i was like wtf are you playing lmao
looked at game play, didn't care for it
but then you play it
and its a whole
'nother world
regal pecan
She does not get old? Sad.
No no, I'm saying that wouldn't be the the kind of character development I'm asking about.
cursive crypt
A moustache then.
regal pecan
!8ball Can I replace character development with moustaches?
turbid spindleBOT
@regal pecan, :8ball: It is certain.
regal pecan
Alright then.
turbid spindleBOT
@ionic flame, :8ball: My reply is no.
regal pecan
Writers can go home. It's all about midjourney and moustache prompts from here on out.
turbid spindleBOT
@ionic flame, :8ball: You may rely on it.
cursive crypt
Huh... who owns Manny then?
gusty star
!8ball am I an nft?
turbid spindleBOT
@gusty star, :8ball: Reply hazy, try again.
turbid spindleBOT
@gusty star, :8ball: It is decidedly so.
cursive crypt
They merge with whom? Is that nsfw?
gusty star
I honestly couldn't care less lmao. Its a PR move thats fucking over the people who built up the network imo.
regal pecan
"stake of work" hilarious
gusty star
ye it probably is better. Idk. Bitcoin is still an eco disaster.
regal pecan
or was it "stake of proof"? curse thee, short term memory
cursive crypt
gusty star
bitcoin uses so much energy its insanity
and most of the mining happens in the US and in China
Tho the US is taking a larger share more recently
regal pecan
Interesting that it recovered some in China after the ban
gusty star
Interestingly the third largest country represented in mining pools is... Kazakhstan?
Very nice
wym?
I think their share of mining is decreasing, reflecting either less mining in China or loss of share to other countries
but yeah they did mine a fuckton
esp early on
regal pecan
At 90.4 TWh, If bitcoin has 10 100 million users that's about 2.5 kwh per user-day. Not sure if that's insane. Edit: whoops, order of magnitude error
regal pecan
That is a stacked graph.
gusty star
ye eh
regal pecan
I think there are, since I vaguely remember an article saying that conventional finance used more energy than bitcoin, but it also serves far more users and services than bitcoin (e.g. everyone)
gusty star
Ye, its more so that mining is kind of an arbitrary use of energy to generate value. And everything on the network requires power.
whereas you print the bill, the printing press cost energy to use, but then the bill has a life beyond that
gusty star
At 90.4 TWh, If bitcoin has ~~10~~ 100 million users that's about 2.5 kwh per us...
Thats not so bad, assuming it has that many
which globally, isn't hard to imagine
regal pecan
I very much doubt it does. I threw in 100 million just to see what it would look like.
I also goofed and wrote 10 million when I math'd for 100 million, so, oops
gusty star
Idk I don't see the need for alternative payment means, but Canada is very cutting edge in this way.
We have polymer based banknotes, Debit/Interac is available everywhere (card readers), and theres E-transfer for quick payment solutions (like a venmo or cashapp), managed by Interac.
regal pecan
Electronic money has so many advantages that you really do have to start thinking about the cultural benefit of petty theft when arguing for paper
gusty star
yeah
E-transfer fills that gap tho
it works between your bank accounts, usually there is no fees, and its near instantaneous.
I don't even carry cash like 99% of the time unless I'm making a purchase in cash
and Canada legalized weed so I don't even need to do that anymore lmao
just a debit card
regal pecan
"E-transfer fills that gap tho"
...in enabling petty theft?
gusty star
oh derp I skimmed your message lol
and misread it
but Idk it blows my mind because Canada has had these technologies for the past 5 years
and some places in the US still make you sign for a credit card swipe lmao?
so fair
the cards that are available look like this
with the gold bit being a chip that enables contactless payment
tap n go
ez pz
regal pecan
irony is the gold bits are contacts
gusty star
lmao yeah eh
Makes sense
Some economies are like that
plus having cash for travelling makes your more aware of your spending lol
I can spend way too much money on card and not even flinch about being out a stack of bills like I would with notes
yeah eh
The worst.
plus there the whole roaming charges shenanigans with your cellphone, such a headache lol
The only shady thing about the chip and pin tech is that there are card skimmers that can clone your card for nefarious purposes/theft lol
but usually the thief has to 1) place the device on top of a legitimate terminal 2) catch some victims using the payment terminal with their card skimmer 3) retrieve the data and skimmer
at least as far as I understand it, which admittedly isn't very well lol
celest musk
i'm certainly sure that they often have an insider which lets them put on and take off the skimming device
on the other hand, might be possible that they can transfer the data wireless
gusty star
i'm certainly sure that they often have an insider which lets them put on and ta...
That makes sense lol
but I mean cash-only businesses are liable to money laundering or embezzelment so its a hard problem to say the least lol
celest musk
indeed
gusty star
some buddy of mine worked as a hotel front desk manager for like 5 years, and one of the regional execs got caught embezzling like a couple hundred K lmao
cooking the books
one of his subordinates figured it out when the exec went on vacay and left her to do some paperwork that didn't add up, so she pulled some more files and figured out he was cheating the company.
tho I worked as a line cook for like 10 years and tons of servers underreport their tips lol so YMMV
a common thing is that they'll report half of their tips
and pocket the other half tax free
Idk I guess digitizing it all clarifies the accounting assuming eveything is punched into the till but ye idk theres probably still ways to cheat it lol
celest musk
of course there is
gusty star
humans ๐ง โ ๏ธ
This convo reminds me of a study of capuchin monkeys at harvard
The tamarins were fairly cooperative but still showed a healthy amount of self-interest: over repeated encounters with fellow monkeys, the typical tamarin pulled the lever about 40 percent of the time. Then Hauser and Chen heightened the drama. They conditioned one tamarin to always pull the lever (thus creating an altruistic stooge) and another to never pull the lever (thus creating a selfish jerk). The stooge and the jerk were then sent to play the game with the other tamarins. The stooge blithely pulled her lever over and over, never failing to dump a marshmallow into the other monkey's cage. Initially, the other monkeys responded in kind, pulling their own levers 50 percent of the time. But once they figured out that their partner was a pushover (like a parent who buys her kid a toy on every outing whether the kid is a saint or a devil), their rate of reciprocation dropped to 30 percent -- lower than the original average rate. The selfish jerk, meanwhile, was punished even worse. Once her reputation was established, whenever she was led into the experimenting chamber, the other tamarins "would just go nuts," Chen recalls. "They'd throw their feces at the wall, walk into the corner and sit on their hands, kind of sulk."```bit of a block, lol sorry, but quite interesting.
it make me wonder how deep some of this stuff runs... is it monkeys only? other mammals? how far does this go?
Its also interesting because the lever experiment here shows that cooperation leads to greater advantages for both parties - ie Comparative Advantage!!!!
(they both get a marshmellow at a greater rate if they are both cooperating, then if one is taking advantage of the other)
But whats also interesting about these monkeys experiments is what it says about our current sort of unequal relations. Our monkey-cousins (for lack of a better phrase lol) would have hated it, if these experiments are to be believed, and out of what? a sense of fairness? its weird.
tho maybe thats taking it too far... idk. As a counterpoint, there are other examples of the sort of Symbiosis seen here, even across species.
anyways sorry for (basically) spamming chat with my late night thoughts lol
cursive crypt
soft night
gusty star
ye the novel-length reply is a bit taxing loooool
I try to keep it short and sweet, usually
left granite
```Chen proudly calls himself a behavioral economist, a member of a growing subt...
lovely
deep copper
ye the novel-length reply is a bit taxing loooool
rest up ๐ซ
foggy path
I was wondering why this looked familiar but I realized it's from a Fatboy Slim music video
I think?
zinc matrix
can aws find out that i use their education account commercially?
fleet tangle
It's been logged by the CIA now. They know.
trail wedge
well at the very least we know... so how much you gonna pay us not to tell Jeffy B?
deep copper
i think it's always more about "will they care if they know"
if you make enough with it, they will
deep copper
well at the very least **we** know... so how much you gonna pay us not to tell J...
i will pay you with a hug
deep copper
fine, make it 5
subtle hatch
You'll have to pay to hug me
deep copper
You'll have to pay to hug me
you are a greedy one ! how about 2 hugs per day as payment to hug you rn?
subtle hatch
Hugs for free work
open fog
Didnt get much done today - just finishing off a long movement system rework but I just tested it and it seems to have reduced my lag a lot
deep copper
Didnt get much done today - just finishing off a long movement system rework but...
some progress is better than no progress my bud ! and progress with extra benefits is EVEN better ๐ ๐ค ๐ซ
good job !
ocean parcel
Do you guys recommend releasing games of GameJolt or Itch.io? (Or an alternative?)
no it's going to be a free game so i'm not interested in steam. XD i made a typo sorry lol, i meant is GameJolt better to release games on than Itch.io?
foggy path
Why not both if it's free
ocean parcel
i was thinking about that too. wasn't sure if there was a rule against that or something.
foggy path
Read the terms for the platforms I guess, it seems a bit weird they'd have that kinda rules
Exclusivity deals usually involve money
ocean parcel
That's true.
Looking at the things like the FNAF fangames, they seem to only release them on GameJolt for some reason. Not sure why though.
To me it seems more logical to have them on both. maybe there is a reason for it though.
foggy path
Could try asking them
ocean parcel
Yeah that's a good idea!
I might just choose itch.io as I'm more familiar with that one, but I'll do some investigation and see if there's a reason why they don't do both.
open fog
some progress is better than no progress my bud ! and progress with extra benefi...
Thanks bud
foggy path
Did whoever runs UnrealEngine on twitter forget to switch accounts? lol
deep glen
lolwut
deep copper
"account got hacked"
foggy path
Also I'm noticing this Luke person seems to be one of those people
foggy path
Oh boy so is Tim Pool, nice transphobe tweets
Who runs Unreal Engine on twitter again...? :P
Looks like the RT was deleted
But yeah I'm somewhat concerned about Epic's social media team now
trail wedge
But yeah I'm somewhat concerned about Epic's social media team now
I dunno sounds about par for this industry
it's full of garbage people
deep copper
maybe the accidental retweet was an SOS
topaz depot
shhhh
topaz depot
hello user!
deep copper
nooo ๐ญ
topaz depot
I loved you wasabi
edgy ice
U:
topaz depot
oh you're still here,cool
edgy ice
Can't get rid of me that easy
deep copper
they will soon dry out, like eyedrops in the open
edgy ice
I am eternal
topaz depot
that's too bad
topaz depot
Good when I saw you
edgy ice
Yey
deep copper
what about you?
edgy ice
Small nagging migraine but otherwise p good
Been setting up control rigs all morning
Is fun
topaz depot
I'll do anything else other than settings rigs
deep copper
Nothing?
that's understandable, the slow creeping anxiety and guilt of doing nothing is sad
edgy ice
Well right now I'm heading to my local Italians for some food
deep copper
cool!
edgy ice
I ain't cookin today so fuggit
deep copper
I'll do anything else other than settings rigs
i will do anything but anything useful !
deep copper
I ain't cookin today so fuggit
aye aye ! so italian for whole fam?
topaz depot
you're useful to me affectionate_user#4013!!
deep copper
yes, use me all you like ๐ค
deep copper
ah
topaz depot
yes, use me all you like ๐ค
noooo not like that
deep copper
Just me and me ma.
and you said goodbye world ๐ข , ma would get so lonely if ma heard
deep copper
noooo not like that
ohh
topaz depot
ily au!!
topaz depot
lovely to hear!
deep copper
ikr ! it felt even more amazing to me when i said it to you ๐ซ
edgy ice
I mean
I'm only staying for a few more months
When COVID started I decided to come back home to take care of fam
She's getting up there in age
deep copper
FL?
edgy ice
Yea I'm the eldest tho, it's slav tradition for the eldest to take care of the parent
Ig.
Yea I got a lil brother, he's a lil shit who joined the Marines
Good kid, dumb as rocks tho.
deep copper
ah yeah you told about them
the one who got indoctrined right, to not move from grunt post ๐ค
edgy ice
Yeaaa..
Y e a a a a a...
The last 3 years were weird
Lol
It'll be good to be on my own again though
And my little brother is gonna be out in 2 more years so hey
Things are going back to normal
copper fiber
Accidental retweet from work account mr. community manager? ๐
I thought it was made with unreal
trail wedge
Accidental retweet from work account mr. community manager? ๐
we did this one already today
deep copper
Things are going back to normal
hopefully yes!
deep copper
And my little brother is gonna be out in 2 more years so hey
Marine takes long huh
deep copper
Accidental retweet from work account mr. community manager? ๐
a lot of people noticed rip Mr community manager
edgy ice
@deep copper from my understanding, you sign a 5 year contract
that essentially says youre fucked and stuck with them for 5 years
you cant back out
from what i understand the only ways out is getting arrested, dishonorably discharged for doing a crime or violating some protocalls
or i guess dying?
lol
i know lil bro told me a BUNCH of people refused to take the vaccine
like intentionally
not bc they were anti-vax but because it let them out early honorably
on a technicality
gusty star
lmao
I think the Canada Armed Forces will pay for your degree but you have to serve 2 months for every month of tuition they give you lol
or something like this
plus theres slots reserved specifically for army-track doctors/med students
deep copper
that's.. eh
gusty star
for the MCAT and all that i mean
deep copper
:/
edgy ice
so something that needs to be understood
gusty star
ye
gusty star
the special force are even worse: rangers, seals, you name it lol
their training is insanity
edgy ice
he tells me stories to this day about basic
deep copper
so you practically sell yourself whole
edgy ice
crawling through mud during hurricanes
gusty star
its basically a form of conditioning to withstand duress
edgy ice
sitting in holes in subzero weather
gusty star
ye well the military breaks you down so they can build you up according to their rules
deep copper
harsh training for when it's needed i suppose
gusty star
ye, not that I agree with it
deep copper
yeah
edgy ice
lil bro told me one of his basic friends got kicked out of basic after he collapsed from hypothermia
like had to be hospitalized
deep copper
so you give all the time and be removed, great
edgy ice
another kid flunked out when he fell off the climbing wall and snapped his leg
deep copper
...and gain a permanent damage
gusty star
I looked at joining reserves when I needed the $$$ and I got as far as going thru the sign-up but they give you points where you can back out lol
deep copper
that's kind of them
gusty star
and they also wanted like 10 years of travel history? I went backpacking and... forget where I all went lol
so I would either have to lie or not tell them
or reconstruct the history to the best of my ability and tell them that
so eh I was like fk it
edgy ice
well, if you have half a brainstem and can withstand the agony
its not an awful career path.
deep copper
so eh I was like fk it
you might've dodged a bullet
gusty star
eh I doubt I'm smart enough to get into some of the cool shit like cryptography and sigint
edgy ice
like unironically he was in the top 5% i think
deep copper
kudos to your bro for doing so well in those conditions
edgy ice
he could have taken ANY POG job he wanted
he chose to be a grunt and have the worst everything.
@zinc matrix sure, but when they force you to stand at attention for 12 hours?
when i say stand
i LITERALLY mean stand at attention
staying in one spot
for hours upon hours upon hours
deep copper
like those queen guard stuff?
gusty star
OH also I read Starship Troopers while considering reserves
edgy ice
not allowed to move, not allowed to speak, not allowed to turn your head
you stay perfectly statue still
edgy ice
now imagine being forced to stand there while its 98 out in direct sunlight on a tarmac
gusty star
I'm pretty sure Heinlein was unironically fascist with his militarism
edgy ice
i mean, theres a method to the madness from what i know
keep in mind everything i am saying is secondhand.
this is all i got from my brother and some mild googling
the marines ofc want to beak you down and remove your individuality but more importantly, they want to force you to work as a single unit
if someone doesnt wanna do something or if they make a mistake, the entire squad gets punished
gusty star
ye chain of command and all that
well you've played intense competitive games right?
miscommunication during tense moments is death
and this is life or death here
deep copper
it's kinda sad
gusty star
ye
edgy ice
but if you survive and can have good test scores
being a pog is like
home free?
you work brutal hours, get treated like shit and are expected to be 100% perfect 100% of the time
but
you only work 4 days a week
gusty star
in a warzone you're still a combatant
edgy ice
and youre in a desk job
lol
no working in the sun, no getting frostbite
you just work
and to think this stupid fuck could have had this life.
but no, he picked the worst job left for those who cant do a basic test
and now complains how half the people he works with are completely lobotimized
gusty star
is he in the the regular force, or reserves? cuz like is he deployed?
if he doesn't have to deploy he probably wont see combat
edgy ice
i....dunno? hes working here in the states
thats all i can say
he is in a base working here in the US
he isnt oveseas
gusty star
ye deployed = on a combat tour overseas
edgy ice
they passed him up on overseas work
gusty star
thats fair then, he should be fine. he has 2 years left right? he'll be fine. and maybe he'll want something better for himself after 5 years of that lol
edgy ice
oh he is fine, im not worried about him
not anymore at least
i was worried
because yknow, he joins the marines a week after turning 18 and theeeeeen....
covid happens.
gusty star
ye
deep copper
luck man
mossy nexus
if someone doesnt wanna do something or if they make a mistake, *the entire squa...
Thats SOP for all basic training, no matter the type of unit or indeed country.
gusty star
I'm kinda worried about Ukraine. I feel like NATO and Russia in direct conflict would be the end of the world as we know it (not saying itd be destroyed, just the world would change, possibly for the worse).
edgy ice
might be, im only speaking secondhandedly, i dont claim to be an expert lol
gusty star
ye neither do I claim that
gusty star
and also the US is thinking about moving strategic assets to South Korea if NK doesn't stop conducting nuclear tests so -_-
cuban missile crisis 2.0 brewing
edgy ice
its hairy, for sure
gusty star
ye, hopefully cooler heads prevail
edgy ice
our family was in shambles for a bit after the war began
i mean, poland is literally right next to ukraine
gusty star
I really couldn't believe that it happened.
edgy ice
oh we could, we just didnt think it would happen
gusty star
Bidens administration was warning about it for awhile beforehand? atleast signaling that it was a possiblity
gusty star
ye
i've read some of his writings on his geopolitical aims, and im familiar with alexander dugin so
edgy ice
and theres rumors he is dying from some kinda terminal illness so i guess he's doing an all or nothing move.
you uhhh....writing an essay there?
foggy path
A coworker of mine was in Kharkiv when the war started... up to the last moment they thought there was not gonna be a war :P
Shoulda read the signs and left, they got stuck there for quite a while
gusty star
its all fun and games till the shooting starts I guess lol
mossy nexus
might be, im only speaking secondhandedly, i dont claim to be an expert lol
lol, back in the day I got to play soldiers with a Chieftain MBT. Meet a lot of different units over the years and basic training is pretty much the same across the board. Some do more of a particular aspect of that training depending on the type of unit though.
The whole punish the squad thing is reverse psychology. They want you to think that they want you to 'encourage' bad performers to improve [Full Metal Jacket movie method of soap and towels for instance] That's not the real intent at all. It's to make everyone work together, to try and 'beat the man'. That said... I've also witnessed that soap and towel thing being done to 2 guys who managed to get the entire squadron gated. Can't say I disapprove really.
mossy nexus
yeah it's fairly well known
gusty star
basically your squad of 8 dudes would draw straws, and then beat the people who lost to death
as a form of corporeal punishment
When talking about Roman Punishment I'm always reminded of the Life of Brian scene where he's brought into the dungeon and theres the prisoners whos been there for ages and how he talks about punishment
mossy nexus
Decimation was the killing of 1 in 10 of whatever group/squad/army/city etc etc. There was probably different ways of deciding, but a common way was a bag of different coloured tokens. 1 in ten was black. Not a good colour to get.
gusty star
"What I'd give to be spat at in the face" - the prisoner
gusty star
Decimation was the killing of 1 in 10 of whatever group/squad/army/city etc etc....
ah okay
zinc matrix
Decimation was the killing of 1 in 10 of whatever group/squad/army/city etc etc....
yeah why get in war
deep copper
basically your squad of 8 dudes would draw straws, and then beat the people who ...
that's some russian roulette thing
but more spartan
gusty star
Ye the romans weren't known particularly for their compassion lmao
deep copper
i wonder why
Maybe because it's only the weird stuff that spreads to other parts and stayed in memories of people about them
gusty star
eh they wrote quite a bit and were around for awhile
there is tons of less weird stuff, its just less interesting I guess lol
deep copper
there's no cool gif for romans ๐ค
deep copper
really?
gusty star
yeah haha
gusty star
yeah, but it would be etched in stone or painted walls or w/e
deep copper
..did they kill the one who did it?
gusty star
eh nah, its suprisingly human. kinda like "Gaius was here" or "Lucilla sells her body" lol
deep copper
ohh
gusty star
well idk the actual rules around graffiti in roman times or if it was punishable but people still did it
deep copper
must've been the few available forms of entertainment
gusty star
ye
gusty star
I mean I would but you're already priceless!
deep copper
I mean I would but you're already priceless!
the only payment I'd take is you <3
wha really?
reminds me, weren't greek also into grapes
i suppose it's a convient to eat snack
gusty star
Dionysus
deep copper
reminds me, even jesus was into brewing wine right?
grape really was a vital part of people's life back then
gusty star
ye eh ๐ค
Grape culture (or viticulture) is probably as old as civilization itself. Archeological evidence suggests humans began growing grapes as early as 6500 B.C. during the Neolithic era. By 4000 B.C., grape growing extended from Transcaucasia to Asia Minor and through the Nile Delta of Egypt. King Hammurabi of Babylon probably enacted the worldโs first liquor law when he established rules for wine trade in 1700 B.C.
(https://ipm.missouri.edu/MEG/2013/8/Grapes-A-Brief-History/)
My guy Hammurabi, the king who had the death penalty for watering down beer
gusty star
do it!!!! hehe
deep copper
My guy Hammurabi, the king who had the death penalty for watering down beer
so this guy got addicted
@celest musk grape info ^
gusty star
so this guy got addicted
I've read some theories that its to prevent waterbourne illnesses, cuz atleast beer is brewed and heated and all that
deep copper
oh nice
gusty star
but Idk its hard to say cuz it was so long ago lol and all we have is hammurabis code and maybe some other writings about him or babylon
deep copper
I've read some theories that its to prevent waterbourne illnesses, cuz atleast b...
they knew?
gusty star
eh, maybe they had an idea that water from some sources made you sick
like don't drink from this river, the waters bad
foggy path
I vaguely recall hearing the same story about beer and such as well
deep copper
like don't drink from this river, the waters bad
so basically they got a reason to drink together! aye aye
but they probably had it with children before
gusty star
lmao potentially
I wonder if they had sort of "Old wives tales" about alcohol and development
deep copper
old wives tales?
zinc matrix
I wonder if they had sort of "Old wives tales" about alcohol and development
it is a neuro depressor what do you want?
gusty star
kinda like passed down knowledge. some of it is bullshit.
deep copper
kinda like passed down knowledge. some of it is bullshit.
"Their full of BLOOD miriam!"
trail wedge
they're?
trail wedge
sorry your post is hurting my eyes
deep copper
i just copy pasted ๐ซ
deep copper
sorry your post is hurting my eyes
let's send a lot of hugs so it flies up !!!!
deep copper
spelling score? F.
if this was the military this whole server would be punished
gusty star
lmao
deep copper
write "they're" 50 times, would be so spammy
gusty star
honestly I've seen worse. my one good friend doesn't use punctuation when he texts and its full run on sentences -_-
its hard to tell wtf hes actually saying sometimes
trail wedge
honestly I've seen worse. my one good friend doesn't use punctuation when he tex...
that's not really that bad imo
deep copper
no punctuation is worst, i am not very good with them either xD
deep copper
that's not really that bad imo
try a para everything seems same doesn't make a lot of sense
gusty star
eh i'm v much about Orwells idea of being clear with your writing. Clarity is key imo
deep copper
yes, and i like to stick with simplicity if possible
but i recall a guy saying i sound insensitive when all i say is "sad" to anything remotely not good
gusty star
haha fair
idk trump kinda ruined that word cuz he used to be like "sad" ironically but its been a couple years since then
deep copper
so i started saying "that sounds sad" and variation with "that's so sad", "that sounds really sad"
gusty star
ye
deep copper
now i also change the word with synonyms
trail wedge
idk trump kinda ruined that word cuz he used to be like "sad" ironically but its...
cut him some slack he only knows like 7 words
deep copper
idk trump kinda ruined that word cuz he used to be like "sad" ironically but its...
that guy had good facial expressions, he doesn't need words imo
deep copper
even his gifs, you can tell what he is saying without sound
trail wedge
that guy had good facial expressions, he doesn't need words imo
his face says... "constipated"
deep copper
his face says... "constipated"
he was kinda duck like to me
gusty star
Did you know George Bush (yes that bush) is now an oil painter?
deep copper
i always thought of a duck when i saw him
trail wedge
i always thought of a duck when i saw him
Scrooge is gonna sue you for slander
deep copper
i have no idea what george looked like and who scrooge is xD
deep copper
donald duck!
trail wedge
which rock have you been hiding under since the 50s
deep copper
our <3
trail wedge
trail wedge
_no communism intended_
it's ok I never recognized any of your property claims anyway
deep copper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrooge_McDuck
nephew donald duck! i knew they were related ! their genes, they look so alike!
trail wedge
nephew donald duck! i knew they were related ! their genes, they look so alike!
are you seriously just learning this now... do you not know about Ducktales?
gusty star
my favorite factoid about communism is that karl marxs last words, to his housekeeper were โGo on, get out โ last words are for fools who have not yet said enough!โ
deep copper
it's ok I never recognized any of your property claims anyway
is that why you never hug me ๐ข
deep copper
are you seriously just learning this now... do you not know about Ducktales?
no actually, never heard of it.
trail wedge
is that why you never hug me ๐ข
I need a reason not to hug you now?
deep copper
i just know donald duck because internet
trail wedge
no actually, never heard of it.
go watch the opening and get the theme song stuck in your head for 20+ years
deep copper
my favorite factoid about communism is that karl marxs last words, to his *house...
to a housekeeper huh
deep copper
go watch the opening and get the theme song stuck in your head for 20+ years
i don't think it Would get stuck if you take all the space in my head !
deep copper
I need a reason not to hug you now?
yeah, because if i request for it, there must be a reason it wasn't taken up right? like you never saw it or something
trail wedge
i don't think it Would get stuck if you take all the space in my head !
what's this random capitalization for? is this steganography?
deep copper
BIT SUS INNIT
quite a weird fact , how did they even got it xD
gusty star
idk Marx was such a shit distruber that he got banned from Prussia (his home country) or w/e
deep copper
what's this random capitalization for? is this steganography?
no it's mE using Gboard, want to get rid of random caps ? how AboUt hUg ? ๐ซ
if you select words from suggestion strip, it's sometimes randomly capitalised
it should have been communismed !
trail wedge
I definitely don't want to hug somebody who uses Discord on a phone
deep copper
idk Marx was such a shit distruber that he got banned from Prussia (his home cou...
wait seriously?
poor guy
"sad"
gusty star
Marxs buddy Engles? His dad owned a coat factory -_- and the factory supported both his and marxs lifestyle!
tho idk his criticism is still valid on some points and important to history I guess
but idk they were bougie af lmao
deep copper
I definitely don't want to hug somebody who uses Discord on a phone
then that means you definitely will hug me otherwise?
trail wedge
then that means you definitely will hug me otherwise?
nah it was never gonna happen anyway, but get some self respect.... and a keyboard
deep copper
so that's the reason not to hug me :P
deep copper
nah it was never gonna happen anyway, but get some self respect.... and a keyboa...
will you be my keyboard?
trail wedge
will you be my keyboard?
deep copper
tho idk his criticism is still valid on some points and important to history I g...
sounds like a controversial philosopher tbh
deep copper
Marxs buddy Engles? His dad owned a coat factory -_- and the factory supported b...
and he is rich..
gusty star
sounds like a controversial philosopher tbh
ye. I mean the idea of revolution isn't even really his. Its Darwins. Revolution is contrasted with Evolution.
and if you apply a marxian lens, its not hard to see where this whole series of ideas came from
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B9%D1%8F-reload-anime-gun-gif-17876742
if you aim carefully i might blush ! you can tell me to stop if you like before hitting block
trail wedge
nothing new under the sun
gusty star
tho Engles was writing about feminism in like the 1800s so he was fairly progressive in a sense (iirc)
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/gundam-wing-endless-waltz-mobile-suit-gundam-gundam-wing-...
aww so you don't wanna miss me ๐ซ
trail wedge
aww so you don't wanna miss me ๐ซ
deep copper
tho Engles was writing about feminism in like the 1800s so he was fairly progres...
too ahead of his time maybe?
gusty star
perhaps
deep copper
1800s is, too back
gusty star
The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State was one of the titles of his book; a critique of the victorian nuclear family.
deep copper
ye. I mean the idea of revolution isn't even really his. Its Darwins. Revolution...
darwin was really into time changes wasn't he
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/rick-gun-rick-rick-sanchez-adult-swim-rick-and-morty-gif-...
ha! i know this one, that's rick from morty!
jk i know it's and*
trail wedge
ha! i know this one, that's rick from morty!
but you didn't know Evangelion or Gundam Wing huh?
short grove
affectionate_user has a certain talent, if we can call it that
deep copper
*The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State* was one of the titles...
that screams controversial lmoa
gusty star
darwin was really into time changes wasn't he
Ye. He also married his first cousin, so idk maybe he noticed something about that whole debacle xD
deep copper
but you didn't know Evangelion or Gundam Wing huh?
i have heard of evangelion in yt 5-7 second vids, and gundam, and chicken wings but not gundam wings, but i guess that's a part of gundam, i know it's robo!
deep copper
affectionate_user has a certain talent, if we can call it that
vecherka ! long time no see! how's it going?
deep copper
Ye. He also married his first cousin, so idk maybe he noticed something about th...
ah, so he was venting ?
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/gundam-wing-gundam-anime-heero-heero-yuy-gif-17722399
i don't mind it if it's you <3 again, you can tell me to stop
short grove
life mostly not much time to swing by here very often, but otherwise i can't complain how about yourself?
i see you haven't changed that much
wanting to hug folks and all
gusty star
ah, so he was venting ?
Ye. Some of his children died young iirc so maybe he thought something was up but im just speculating lol
deep copper
life mostly not much time to swing by here very often, but otherwise i can't com...
ah... understandable, ๐ซ , hope you have time to rest atleast :D
deep copper
wanting to hug folks and all
that's just rn! i wasn't doing that an hour ago, or two hours ago, trust me
short grove
eh, i have my doubts about that
deep copper
Ye. Some of his children died young iirc so maybe he thought something was up bu...
yikes, if he didn't know he was kinda really being aggressive about it. but hopefully he had his doubts if they could collect some evidence before
wait maybe he was experimenting about it all along
deep copper
eh, i have my doubts about that
trust me! i never lie
just that my memory can be a bit hazy
gusty star
I think he had a garden and experimented with natural selection in support of his theories
deep copper
oh
gusty star
but I don't think he took data from it
deep copper
well, plants kinda work weirdly anyway
gusty star
tho I bet it influenced his ideas
deep copper
they can self polinate and whatnot
deep copper
same, ..
gusty star
I was planning on being an engineer (chemical or mechanical) and never took biology beyond grade 9 in highschool rofl
deep copper
well I don't even know gundam all that well so
gusty star
but then I went to art school (???)
cursive crypt
hmm... kinda the same slackers... dont you have work, life or else to do? ๐ค
gusty star
Life...? is that some sort of game? Is on steam?
deep copper
I was planning on being an engineer (chemical or mechanical) and never took biol...
that's one difficult goal you had ๐
deep copper
but then I went to art school (???)
that sounds more realistic ๐ค
gusty star
idk I like math and all that and had the grades but I just got lazy
but I like designing stuff more than I like math lol
deep copper
i have never heard anyone say they like math
deep copper
if they say it, they have definitely said they hate it more
gusty star
but math was concrete
there was always an Answerโข๏ธ
its not really like that at a higher level with proofs and math problems that haven't been solved
but ye
deep copper
i always struggled with like english and open ended stuff.
English is not based on proper rules yeah
any language, basically gets personalized by people, i just can't go on saying 1=2 in math so easily
gusty star
I mean creativity more generally. I used to not do well without structure haha.
regal pecan
English: We made up these rules centuries ago that you need to remember so that you can violate them for the rest of your life
gusty star
Ye eh.
deep copper
you can study English but still not understand most English songs
language is weird yeah
gusty star
I guess I struggled with setting a goal when theres open ended stuff (usually creativity esque stuff). Atleast when you're handed a sheet of math problems, you know roughly how long it takes to solve each one, and then maybe you can estimate overall homework time idk
deep copper
ah yeah
that happens, imagine being given an essay and stuff
that makes me wonder if that's why most "tricks and tips" or basically articles on writing those try to come up with a structure to structure thoughts
deep copper
which basically still ends up wasting time since you can practically go on forever
regal pecan
Essays should be something you're tutored in, not tested
gusty star
btw prescriptive means rules on how we ought to use the language. And descriptive is rules based on how we actually use the language ie from observation.
deep copper
xD i was actually not sure what that means
deep copper
makes sense if you put it that way
gusty star
also I used to struggle with creativity cuz being creative isn't all that different from bullshitting. Its the same skillset. But your purposes are usually nefarious with bullshit, whereas creativity is more about making something new that hadn't existed before.
deep copper
wait, language is sort of art as well, so you basically took design part of art so that you stay connected to the math side as well ๐ค
gusty star
ye definitely
design just made more sense to me cuz some of it is based in legit science
like gestalt theories of perception
deep copper
also I used to struggle with creativity cuz being creative isn't all that differ...
making stuff up but making it seem nice, yeah
deep copper
like gestalt theories of perception
now it should be safe to say idk about that xD
gusty star
bullshit too is v specific, cuz theres also phrases like horseshit, -shit etc etc that means different things
deep copper
design just made more sense to me cuz some of it is based in legit science
that was supposed to be the point of design, yes. but people use it vaguely because designers basically do art too so they mix them up lol
deep copper
bullshit too is v specific, cuz theres also phrases like horseshit, -shit etc et...
reminds me of an penguin angle measurement article someone posted here
gusty star
this is sort of what I mean. Its dated now cuz its no longer more than a set of observations and isn't operationalized into experiments
deep copper
@gusty star it's by ๐ซ ๐ฎ
gusty star
the contributions section is the important bit of that article
deep copper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology
that's what you meant when you were talking about brain huh, whole might mean more than studying parts of it
gusty star
Idk the book I read in art school (this one) has ideas grounded in gestalt theory and it just makes. so. much. sense.
deep copper
the contributions section is the important bit of that article
ah, nice! too many big words so i am losing the meaning but i think i got the gist of it
gusty star
kind of a pricey book but its like 300 some pages of mostly colour photo examples, laid out in a simple way
deep copper
Idk the book I read in art school (this one) has ideas grounded in gestalt theor...
huh, so that works in design
gusty star
ye
deep copper
kind of a pricey book but its like 300 some pages of mostly colour photo example...
if I ever need a designer i would read this book , ty !
gusty star
on one hand theres the quest to understand how the brain works in regards to perception with optical illusions and other types of visual stimuli, and then theres the applied knowledge in design itself
sort of from the horses mouth
deep copper
on one hand theres the quest to understand how the brain works in regards to per...
it had quite some uses huh
deep copper
bullshit too is v specific, cuz theres also phrases like horseshit, -shit etc et...
horse's mouth sounds weird after this
xD but i see
gusty star
lmao ye eh ๐ค ๐
topaz depot
noooooo Ill miss you AU ๐ซ
deep copper
noooooo Ill miss you AU ๐ซ
i am going to sleep, we can sleep together ofc ? jk lol
topaz depot
i am going to sleep, we can sleep together ofc ? jk lol
๐
if that's the case good night ๐ซ
sleek halo
there's a reason why quaternions and spinors show up in quantum spin, why a non-euclidean geometry describes our spacetime, why i shows up in the schrodinger equation
physics isn't just about describing the natural world in hindsight
its about making predictions
and mathematics makes really good predictions
thats why general relativity has done so well
regal pecan
or we're just really good at finding correlations
sleek halo
it describes things that must be so based on a single assumption (that the speed of light is constant for all observers) using math
well general relativity is obviously not complete due to quantum mechanics existing
but it inarguably has predictive power
what, that math accurately predicts physics?
i feel like i need to re-explain my position
because im not saying that "we can just know what nature is doing because math exists"
thats not what im saying
what im saying is that the universe must abide by math
cursive crypt
Physics is about line tracing.
timber viper
So physics is story and the math is the plot?
regal pecan
correlation is not causation
sleek halo
__correlation is not causation__
thats why predictive power matters
thats kind of the basis of the scientific method
because there's a deeper mathematical truth that we don't understand yet
sleek halo
im not talking about math as an invention
im talking about math as truth and logic, i feel like we're getting lost in the semantics
math is just how things are is the problem, from the very beginning of boolean algebra
you can't describe a universe with a circle constant that isn't some multiple or fraction of 3.14whatever
we discover math as we discover the universe because the universe is math
timber viper
i like how I just multiplied sin(a, b) with 3.14 in cpp and this topic become real
sleek halo
LOL
its a good thing we havent brought up tau because i have a lot to fuckin say about circle constants
cursive crypt
The infestation is out of hands, burn that city ๐ฅ
trail wedge
but we all know pi is exactly 3
sleek halo
i feel like the main crux of my argument is that you can't describe a world where adding 2 apples into a basket with 3 apples would equal 6 apples, because the entirety of math breaks with that assumption. whether or not there's some crazy ass logical truth behind every mathematical axiom is debateable and probably untrue, but in order for things to exist at all you have to use the axioms we use in math
timber viper
just a hunch based on my own experiences
troll chat of yesterday?
trail wedge
it's gotta get some exercise going.... that's too quick to gain 33%
sleek halo
i feel like we're still arguing over what the word "math" means
because to me math is discovering how things must be, not an invention
AIUGHWBGUIWJAKBGAW
timber viper
we gotta cope with reality somehow
regal pecan
I want to know how you made it this far confusing math with science.
timber viper
i guess corvi is a math purist
sleek halo
its like
timber viper
math == everything
sleek halo
im not saying that we havent invented a mathematical system
im saying that there is underlying logical truth that we have to discover to do math
regal pecan
"Beaten" in the sense of violence-without-consent
sleek halo
if you want me to agree to saying math to mean what everyone else here thinks it means i think thats fine
timber viper
im saying that there is underlying logical truth that we have to discover to do ...
until you're able to observe it
mossy nexus
I think what corviraptor is essentially trying to say: Everything can be explained with the sciences. Most of it we probably haven't even found out that we don't even know about it yet, though ๐
timber viper
until you're able to observe it
good luck when you cant observe it
regal pecan
We only serve pi
timber viper
I only serve my cat
trail wedge
I think they're just high and are having a moment trying to determine if math is a language for describing reality or the reality itself
sleek halo
i dont think the universe and math are separate
although
i dont want to say math anymore because i feel like we dont mean the same thing
timber viper
i dont think the universe and math are separate
you're saying game engine and a game is same thing
mossy nexus
Maths describes what happens. Energy makes it happen.
timber viper
ISheep?
trail wedge
beep boop
mossy nexus
Or rather the research and application of particle physics tells you what is happening.
trail wedge
have you ever thought you were saying something when you actually were saying nothing?
mossy nexus
No. Is Heep?
sleek halo
i think it'd be very difficult, if not impossible, to describe a universe that doesn't abide by what math describes, whether or not that is math is semantics at this point and not very interesting
timber viper
we'll die before explaining universe anyway
sleek halo
thats the part that makes it interesting though
timber viper
who cares
trail wedge
has anybody here looked up pedant recently?
mossy nexus
No, who's he?
sleek halo
that may be true
im not saying im objectively correct
i dont have a mathematical proof of that 
regal pecan
Is "subjectively correct" a thing
trail wedge
I'm from another universe and in my home universe circles have 8 corners
sleek halo
but im saying with how often mathematical models predict physical discoveries, its weird to say that the universe could just defy logic
regal pecan
I'm from a galgaverse of which this universe is a corner.
sleek halo
whether or not logic could be different in another "universe" of some kind is not what im trying to describe
i feel like we're arguing around each other and not actually saying anything is the problem
trail wedge
you just gotta read A Wrinkle in Time
sleek halo
im still unsure of what you are arguing though because we are not on the same page at all
trail wedge
being direct is illegal now you gotta be more indirect
mossy nexus
Schrรถdinger's Trump. He simoustanly says the stuff was planted, and tells people it's his not theirs.
sleek halo
we are not describing the same thing with the same words
regal pecan
but im saying with how often mathematical models predict physical discoveries, i...
That's a fallacy. Just because something has repeatedly happened before is not a guarantee it will happen in the future.
trail wedge
we are not describing the same thing with the same words
it was our mistake for speaking English, but your dialect sounds similar so you can forgive the oversight right?
sleek halo
That's a fallacy. Just because something has repeatedly happened before is not a...
that's not what a fallacy is, unless you want to describe the entire foundation of the scientific method as fallacious
because the scientific method is based on prediction
predictive power is the metric by which we measure the validity of scientific theories
if you want to argue with the scientific method then be my guest
thats why hypotheses are so important
trail wedge
predictive power:
#lounge message
mossy nexus
That's a fallacy. Just because something has repeatedly happened before is not a...
To be fair, probability calculations are a fairly established thing.
sleek halo
if we observe without predicting we can make an ad-hoc explanation for anything
its when those explanations predict future observations that they begin to hold weight
trail wedge
if we observe without predicting we can make an ad-hoc explanation for anything
from my observation you're just a repetitive chat bot
sleek halo
im literally just describing testing a hypothesis right now
also i could be a semantic asshole and bring up descriptivism but i wont because thats dumb
trail wedge
also i could be a semantic asshole and bring up descriptivism but i wont because...
that's why I wanted you to lookup "pedant"
oh shit I was direct.... I'll go to jail now
sleek halo
erm actually to me pedant means awesome and cool so.....
trail wedge
maybe we could paste their rants into Midjorney
regal pecan
To be fair, probability calculations are a fairly established thing.
it surprises me peer review still falls for p-hacking
sleek halo
what im trying to say is just that the universe is based on a logical foundation of some kind and we can derive that logical foundation through pure reason, anything outside of that is speculation and I admit that I do speculate
trail wedge
what im trying to say is just that the universe is based on a logical foundation...
see this one could be a good image
sleek halo
im bad at being clear with what im saying so forgive me, i have adhd and my brain talks faster than my mouth
trail wedge
zinc matrix
what im trying to say is just that the universe is based on a logical foundation...
it can be seen from that perspective*
sleek halo
just had to make sure that im not insane because y'all are making me feel very insane right now
apparently i am not insane according to other people
to be clear that is based on the statement that "the universe is based on a logical foundation of some kind and we can derive that logical foundation through pure reason, anything outside of that is speculation"
i admit im bad at finding the right words to say
regal pecan
that's not what a fallacy is, unless you want to describe the entire foundation ...
Going back to this... The simplest approach to the scientific method disproves bad hypotheses but cannot prove true hypotheses. If you think it can prove truth then it does become fallacious.
sleek halo
so i took a roundabout ass way of getting to that point
trail wedge
sleek halo
if there were a scientific result that proved that math is wrong and boolean algebra is fake and doesnt describe the universe then i suppose i would concede
regal pecan
https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-gif-19130010
Why do you have a picture of my neurons.
sleek halo
i apologize for not being clear with what i meant because i am bad at that
sleek halo
to be clear that is based on the statement that "the universe is based on a log...
this
although a lot of it went around on tangents because my brain is weird and doesnt like being understandable
sleek halo
idk everyones been saying i was objectively wrong about that i think but i could be wrong about that
my brains fried LMFAO
regal pecan
It's just two, the picture was taken with a kaleidoscope.
sleek halo
i dont feel like thats a troll thing to say though
idk maybe i should just shut up about it LMFAO
zinc matrix
next time appear here with some math formulas
of course everything is based on some type of logic
that is the simplest words you can glue together to make a phrase
ok, hehehe i am trolling
sleek halo
i think it was just me using the word "math" because i was using it to mean something deeper than the invention of mathematics
sdiafghjkdgsg
zinc matrix
i beleive in math
regal pecan
You have a hypothesis that the universe has an underlying logic that is coincidentally also the logic we use to describe it. Make it falsifiable and someone will test it. Probably.
sleek halo
fair
my brains too fried to figure out if i actually agree with that or not
so i'll agree for now
zinc matrix
what if i copy your math and add a random statement
which invalidates all your calculus by -1
sleek halo
i feel like you cant really just add axioms like that tho
zinc matrix
how i do that actually
sleek halo
because if like
broken sigil
sleek halo
if you have 3 bouncy balls and then add 2 and then you get 6 you can prove basically anything is true or false from that
zinc matrix
nope
trail wedge
you guys are using an impressive number of words to really say nothing meaningful in the end
sleek halo
have you said anything meaningful
zinc matrix
you guys are using an impressive number of words to really say nothing meaningfu...
are you jealousy of my perception?
sleek halo
everyone else has been saying valuable insights
youve just been complaining about things the entire time
i dont want to sound rude
but like
chill
zinc matrix
no you are the one bringing logic to the universe
trail wedge
i dont want to sound rude
I do tho ๐
rawr
I am serious though, your "point" isn't actually a point.... you're just talking in logic circles
sleek halo
like in this situation specifically im talking to someone about axioms and we're trying to reach a common ground on what the implications of adding a random axiom would be and then you come in and go like "this means nothing actually" i literally do not care
like im not even on the same point right now im talking about something related but different
trail wedge
I mean if you don't get why you're saying what amounts to nothing I guess you just don't get it
sleek halo
the topic of axioms is interesting to me and apparently interesting to the other person involved
sleek halo
if 1 + 1 = 3, and only 1 + 1
this is interesting tho
because like
if 1+1 = 3, then what is 3+3? how is this defined? would 3 not just be a symbol for what we call 2 then? or is 3/2 still 1.5? theres a lot of weird implications to that
regal pecan
is 1+1+1+1 = 5 or 6?
sleek halo
ya
i suppose you might be able to make something logically consistent out of that? maybe thats logic for a different universe
maybe if you could you'd prove my other point wrong LOL (or it'd somehow match with something in physics in some ass-backwards fucked up way but probably not)
true
i guess thats just kind of what binary is
except without carrying the one to the next digit
ooooooooooh
im gonna have fun witht his wikipedia page
thank U
this is cool actually
i suppose this makes sense as an argument against my case
like
i think i get what u mean now
either that or this is somehow the theory of everything LMFAO
trail wedge
let's use numbers with umlauts this time