lounge

[gusty star]

xD

[edgy ice]

I'm mostly joking

[gusty star]

fair haha

[edgy ice]

Art is a valuable skill for those who are willing to work in specific places

And it's even more lucrative when paired with jobs that are more desired

Being a VFX artist for example is always welcome

Knowing good art and how to use 3d software and editing software?

I knew a guy some time ago who made his money making custom art, banners and edits for tourneys

Locals

[gusty star]

thats fair

I've tried doing traditional art and sold maybe 1k worth of smol gouache paintings and some acrylics

and then maybe made 500 ish dollars doing rimworld modding art (only did this for like 6 months max tho)

maybe I'm just bad at business or lazy lmao but Idk its hard >:U

[edgy ice]

It be, it's hard but it's a job

[gusty star]

Ye

tho honestly drawing is v unforgiving, you gotta keep your skills razor sharp or you get rusty af quik like

esp. if you like drawing with ink pens

[edgy ice]

Oh 100%, from what I've gathered and the research I've done, the last only way to make a stable income doing art as a living is through alternate skills

Picking up something lucrative and applying those art skills with it

80% of it digital.

[fleet tangle]

Best way to make money from art? Die.

[gusty star]

reject art, return to the earth

[zinc matrix]

100% guarantee that will not work for you

[gusty star]

nah idk you can make tons of money doing art but you have to LOVE it more than anythng else

[fleet tangle]

It'll work for your friends and relatives.

[gusty star]

and I just don't love drawing like that, so I do other stuff too and thats ok 🙂

like make the computer go brrr

[fleet tangle]

I can draw. Well, sketch. I'm not great, but good enough. It's a super useful skill.

[gusty star]

agreed, its like communicating but with pictures

and most people are familiar with movies so

they should understand the common cinematographic 'language'

[fleet tangle]

Indeed!

[zinc matrix]

that is a dumb way to think

money has only one purpose

and you only know the purpose when you are living

[gusty star]

idk one of my highschool teachers said money is just a kind of resource

i think about that a lot

tho I think she meant it as "its a means, not an end in itself"

[zinc matrix]

the end is 'return'

you run this function infinitely

$ is power

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-thank-you-money-conor-mc-gregor-make-it-rain-gif-14416503

(idk who is this)

[fleet tangle]

I think you may lack a sense of humour.

[zinc matrix]

you read pretty rude for a mage

[gusty star]

I think thats Connor Mcgregor? the UFC fighter?

[zinc matrix]

idk... how do i look?

hehehe

i will infiltrate on anime discord

[gusty star]

the text in the back says "Mayweather Promotions"

[zinc matrix]

to read their chat and think what is happening with modern communications

[gusty star]

and I think Mcgregor fought Mayweather once or a couple times? i forget. My friends watch UFC but I don't pay attention to the subsequent discord convo.

[zinc matrix]

i watched it once

i was with a friend

[gusty star]

It can be cool

idk

[zinc matrix]

she did stayed with me because i did not wanted to smoke weed with her friends

5 minutes we moved out to the bar

it is so creep

• the amount of people watching, drunk

celebrating for punches

i wanted to cry

[gusty star]

idk boxing goes way back

I saw a bullfight in Spain when I went backpacking, kind of a while ago at this point tho

shits crazy af

I was kinda shocked but idk it was worth experiencing imo

[zinc matrix]

i stopped i think one the most beautiful movies that i ever watched because there was a 'torada' at some point

plus the guy watching it slapped the face of a girl

then it was the ultimatum

[gusty star]

Bull fighting isn't just 1 on 1 with the fighter, its like waves of fighters, and then the final attack is the dude with the sword going for the 360 no scope equivalent of a sword strike lmao

and some of the fighters have like.. spears and shiet

its kinda 1 sided ngl

but it was wierd to see old people gettign really hype about it

[zinc matrix]

humans are so idiot

i mean, we are

if you take a broad look what we are doing, we are really primitive

just a bit more sophisticated than other species here

btw

someone has an anime discord

i do not want hentai stuff

but i want to get (#)_(#)

if that express anime feels

[fleet tangle]

Baka!

[zinc matrix]

😦

"e-girl paradise"

i think i found my place

the barrier to entry

only with a single clikc on "join"

[heavy palm]

😬

[zinc matrix]

interesting, the DM messages are invite to another servers

i clicked in another one to join and it send me more 10 dm

from different bots

that feels like modern IRC

ah 😦

it is actually a violent driven culture

i think i am fine with Slackers

ppl

[fleet tangle]

Those servers are totally safe and not botnets at all.

And, oh look, they give you free Nitro too!!!

[zinc matrix]

yah, and they add emoticons and symbols everywhere

@fleet tangle what is a botnet

google tells me that is malware

[fleet tangle]

It's a net. Of bots.

[zinc matrix]

i hope no one hacked me

if i lost my 100mb of blender files i will want to go dead

i mean, metaphorically

i would start my hip-hop career

😄 hehe

[spare glade]

@zinc matrix Do you use Unreal?

[zinc matrix]

it is the hammer call?

😦

sorry i promise i will reduce my chat here

[spare glade]

Im not asking you to reduce your chat, Im asking if you use Unreal Engine?

[zinc matrix]

i would if it was light

metasounds is like csound, but inside an engine

perfect for what i want

[spare glade]

How did you find out about our Discord Server if you dont mind me asking?

[zinc matrix]

ah, i used a bit some months or even a year ago

i think you have this server linked on the Epic mainpage, alright?

[spare glade]

You used Unreal Engine a few months ago?

[zinc matrix]

i think so

i opened the version 4.25

4.26

5.0

5.0.1

[spare glade]

Your Discord account is brand new, what made you return and join our Server?

[zinc matrix]

at some point, i felt really disconnected to any community, because my personal choices

so i quit discord

and then it hapenned again

and i keep creating accounts

i hope i stabilize but this one was me creating the account because now i feel i need some sort of social contact

btw, the lounge was the nicer place i found

[fleet tangle]

Are you that guy that never had or wanted friends? Except the one girl in college or whatever.

[zinc matrix]

hahaha

i do not think so

[fleet tangle]

Ah. He needed help.

[zinc matrix]

i had plenty of friends up to 2016-2017

[spare glade]

You have not been in this Server before with a different account?

[zinc matrix]

yeah, that counts as a deletion, right?

[spare glade]

As in you deleted your old account?

[fleet tangle]

I also need help. Bring me all of the drugs. Toothaches suck.

[zinc matrix]

yep

eey, i chatted about drugs but no one stopped me

plus i never incited apology

i would like to hear my advices online if i never used

i never treated drugs as some recreational for most of the time

[spare glade]

This Server is not the place for discussing such things.

[zinc matrix]

no one warned me

[spare glade]

Please read the #rules.

[zinc matrix]

and pg-13 are not unbrainned animals

[zinc matrix]

i can not read the drug part

[spare glade]

The Servers purpose is to discuss Unreal Engine, it is not here to facilitate discussion topics outside of that.

Please be mindful of this.

[zinc matrix]

but here is the off-topic part

i did not even clicked in any other channel, except for showcase to share some hearts and stimulate people work on stuff

[zinc matrix]

i highly doubt it, you are probably overestimating my analytics over objective-reality

[fleet tangle]

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

[zinc matrix]

circuits! what type of dark herb you ingested

by the way, why the toothache?

@fleet tangle

it has been 2 years that i did not went to dentist, some weeks ago, due to my smoking stage of stress, a black spot formed at my rear teeth

i went so shamed for having carie there, some days ago

but it was because tobacco

now i am a freak of dental floss and brushing

[fleet tangle]

I mean, why does anyone get a toothache?

[zinc matrix]

infections can happen for many reasons actually

how about you removing your wisdom tooth?

i removed all the 4 at the same time

pain was my surname

[fleet tangle]

Heh.

I think my problem is due to a bicuspid / premolar.

[zinc matrix]

feeling pain, physically, is terrible

i remember the days i came home, after working for 6-7 hours as a bicycle courier, everyday mostly

and the first thing i did was to take a cold shower, no mattering if it was 6 degrees outside

(in celsius please)

and then heading to the refrigerator and take some ice to put on the knees

but it was mostly to prevent injury

but it hurted anyway

and stretching

stretching my soul out

nowadays i think i lost more than half of the elasticity i had

it is so sad, i feel like a t-rex sometimes

and that was the highlight time of my life

waking up next to my bed, sleeping on the floor to get used to bicycle touring wild camp standarts

happy as heck to the next day, till i save enough money to head out

yesterday i saw an accident between a motorcycle and a car, right at my side, i was cycling

really sad drivers texting

i wanted to stop and kill the car guy

and i really putting effort to stop cycling forever

hops out for a while

[fleet tangle]

As a biker, I can confidently say that not all motorbike/car collisions are the fault of the car driver...

Some bikers are fucking retards.

It's mostly the cars, though.

[zinc matrix]

the worst part, i think that accident was caused by me

is not everyday you see a cyclist going a mild uphill at 35-40km per hour with a cigarette on the mouth smoking

but i supposed he was looking at me

and he crashed with the biker as a frontal collision

at least i was in my lane, using the 1/3 permmited space that i can take

at the right side

with frontal and rear lights

but yeah, it is super sad people drive careless all around

obs: the biker was waiting to cross the street at its lane

maybe he was offset on the contraty lane

i just wanted to die

if i had a good salary and no pollution emitting vehicles (as well security) all around, i would be a cycle courier for the rest of my life and be super happy

[gusty star]

you could move to the netherlands, I've heard the dutch are all about the bicycle lmao

[zinc matrix]

the problem is if you get involved in an accident, you are probably fucked

i really do not want to lost my life because some retarded

[gusty star]

Fair lol

I'd ride a bike but winter kinda makes that a bit tough

[zinc matrix]

if everything goes wrong, i can still hop out an office in a soybean farm and be rich before my 40s or 50s

well, winter here does not snow

but i always had a good time under rain and cold (3, 5, 10 degrees celcius) with proper clothes

[gusty star]

ye

[zinc matrix]

actually for me, cycling in 99% of the instances are superb

i love bicycles, you do not know how much

[gusty star]

Where I live, the roads ice over and snow compacts on the road

you need a set of winter tires, with special treads or studs in them

all-seasons are basically all seasons but winter lmao

[zinc matrix]

hehehe

[gusty star]

its troll af

(sauce: I've worked at a tire service shop before)

ye my one buddy really likes bicycles too

rode a fixed gear, did big long haul trips, etc etc

[zinc matrix]

i never had a fixie

here there is toooons of climbs

[gusty star]

ah yeah fair

[zinc matrix]

and considering i am at brazil

they are really bad

simply, this city should not existed

[gusty star]

I live in Saskatchewan, its v flat here. like so flat you could see your dog run away for 3 days.

[zinc matrix]

but there are some planes, so gear is just essential if you want cycle comfortably

tho i had fun for some months with a single speed

i think the relation was 1.4

or 1.6

[gusty star]

also it gets -40 celsius plus windchill

so bicycles are a no-go

[zinc matrix]

oh boy

[gusty star]

thats only during like, storms and intense colds tho

but the snow doesn't melt till like march, starts around halloween usually.

[fleet tangle]

Riding on snow is just asking for death.

Can be ice anywhere!

[gusty star]

I see people do it, its crazy af

[fleet tangle]

Maybe slowly. And on a light bike.

[gusty star]

ye, they don't seem to be going v fast, good point

[fleet tangle]

My bike weighs about 300kg

[gusty star]

damn lmao

[fleet tangle]

Maybe 350?

[zinc matrix]

too much of a hassle to bring it up from the ground?

i saw some techniques where you use your back part of the body to climb it up again

[fleet tangle]

It's got the engine guard so it doesn't fall all the way over.

[gusty star]

also the cold gets so intense it usually ends up freezing pipes and then they burst cuz the ice expands -_-

[fleet tangle]

Still a bitch, though.

[zinc matrix]

2 wheels vehicles are so free

[gusty star]

drifting if you don't have winter tires is a m a z in g tho

so much fun lmao

[gusty star]

basically you take a corner at a lower speed, then crank the handbrake and put it back down and gun the gas.

[fleet tangle]

Vroom

[zinc matrix]

i get upset with those making noise on cities

😄 haha

[gusty star]

you have to counter steer to control the drift, its sketchy at first but its fun

[fleet tangle]

It's not that loud actually. It's not a Harley.

It's not quiet either, though.

I used to rise it to work at 5am though. The neighbours loved that.

[zinc matrix]

hahahaha

i would hate you

i am so sensible to noise

[fleet tangle]

I'd love to learn how to drift!

[gusty star]

Its honestly so ez

but if you have studded tires it wrecks the studs

[zinc matrix]

start a drift log * _ *

[gusty star]

so you need either regular winters or just whatever you had before

[fleet tangle]

I don't think I want to practice in my car.

[gusty star]

lmao so fair

my mom sold me a car really cheaply when I was a teen (2k canadian)

[tulip orbit]

that looks a lot like the bike I used to have

Miss my bike 😦

[gusty star]

and I definiently bag drove it

[fleet tangle]

:(

[gusty star]

red Hyundai Accent 2006 or 2004? hatchback, 2dr

[zinc matrix]

i never got a driver license 😦

[gusty star]

I failed my drivers test like 3 or 4 times.

[fleet tangle]

I thought I threw mine away the other day when I got a new wallet. Luckily I had not...

[zinc matrix]

why?

[gusty star]

Its hard lmao

[zinc matrix]

hehe

i know how to drive, even manual transmission ones

[gusty star]

and I used to get bad anxiety around people and around perfomance

[zinc matrix]

but i almost went bad inspired by rally with one in private dirt roads

[gusty star]

I take medication for perfomance anxiety as prescribed by my doctor

and its basically rid me of it lol

shits magic

[fleet tangle]

I failed my first driving test because, 30 feet from being back at the test centre, a van reversed illegally into the road in front of me and I didn't notice.

[gusty star]

F

ye basically they score you based upon a criteria (where you lose points for mess ups), and have a course set up along a route to test everything that you're supposed to learn

[zinc matrix]

what did the instructor said?

[fleet tangle]

"I had to grab the wheel, you failed."

[zinc matrix]

aff

i would get pissed

[fleet tangle]

I was annoyed.

[zinc matrix]

but i rarely show decontent in person

[fleet tangle]

I failed my second attempt too. Can't remember why. Got almost 100% on my third.

[zinc matrix]

i am introverted actually

[gusty star]

Ye

I basically went driving with my uncle after failing a bunch

and just relaxed from his advice

and then I passed it

[fleet tangle]

I didn't relax properly on the road until after I passed.

[shy solar]

A friend failed his test as the fuel light came on, and here any warning light is an instant failure, as your car isn't up to required spec.

[fleet tangle]

That's shitty.

[gusty star]

bruh thats cold blooooooded

[fleet tangle]

Though, put some fucking fuel in your tank mate.

[shy solar]

Yeah pretty much, silly but understandable rule

[zinc matrix]

instructor look at the windows

you hit the led on the panel

ops a spider

driver license happens with personal cars there?

[shy solar]

removes all bulbs from gauge cluster there, can't fail now.

Yeah, use your own personal vehicle, or hire one.

[fleet tangle]

It's just a set time here. If you happen to spend all of it in a slow moving traffic jam, you can still pass.

I used my instructors car for my car practical, my own bike for my bike tests.

[shy solar]

Ours is just a drive around the streets, around 20-40 minutes depending on the license level you're going for.

I went to a small town out of our city for ours, as less traffic, no round-abouts, and just generally quieter.

[gusty star]

Ye ours is just a drive around downtown, which can be busy but I went when traffic was ded. Its around 30 mins.

[fleet tangle]

I could so easily ace a driving test now.

[gusty star]

Same lmao

[zinc matrix]

brazil is the school cars

[gusty star]

Do they make you do a parallel park too?

[zinc matrix]

looks like this

or like this,

i am always feared from these as a cyclist

[fleet tangle]

I want some auto cola. I drink so much Pepsi max. Probably why I haves toothache.

[shy solar]

I did my first test in my FTO, the person taking the test said not to bring it again for my next test, so took my parents car for the next one. I hated being 'judged' for my car choice lol

[zinc matrix]

that is a nice car

[fleet tangle]

FTO?

[shy solar]

I kind of miss it, had it for nearly a decade, but sold it 3 or 4 years ago now.
Slowly going up in value now too, typically

[shy solar]

Mitsubishi FTO

[zinc matrix]

did it break often?

[zinc matrix]

idk how old it is

[fleet tangle]

What's wrong with that?

[shy solar]

Nah it was super solidly reliable, mid 90s car.
2L V6 Front wheel drive

[zinc matrix]

cool

[shy solar]

~200HP, more than enough for what it was

[zinc matrix]

it is suuuuper rare to see one here in brazil

[fleet tangle]

Heh

[shy solar]

Suuuper common here in New Zealand

well, used to be back then, not so much now

[zinc matrix]

oh boy

actually driving is really nice

[fleet tangle]

It is.

I drive an automatic hybrid now.

Is good to just laze about and enjoy the scenery.

[gusty star]

Volkswagen is bringing the VW bus back, in EV format lmao

[fleet tangle]

(not a fucking prius! :))

[gusty star]

orders shipping 2024

[zinc matrix]

have you went to a racetrack with your once?

[fleet tangle]

Oh god.

[zinc matrix]

i think if i had one, i would do it, maybe often

[gusty star]

my mum drives a honda fit, it handles aight

[zinc matrix]

my dad used to have a kart, 90hp

[fleet tangle]

If I went to a race track, it'd need to be in a car with a roll cage.

:D

[zinc matrix]

such a shame they never let me drive more than once 😦

[shy solar]

Took my old Rally car on a racetrack a few times, that was always hilarious with rally suspension

[fleet tangle]

Nice!

That's more hp than my bike.

[shy solar]

Got it on 3 wheels a few times, I miss that car.

[fleet tangle]

1700cc engine. 63hp.

[zinc matrix]

but you have a cruise type

you can go vroooom with a race bicycle

[fleet tangle]

Yeah. They don't do hp. Only torque. :)

It still gets off the mark pretty damn quick.

[zinc matrix]

i am scared of getting a motorcycle one day

must be so easy to do some deep shit

principally because i am the need for speed

at least i pilot a bicycle

so it does not goes vroom

[shy solar]

I picked up a high power electric scooter a few months ago for getting around town etc, saves the ridiculous fuel costs of my car (3L Turbo).
In theory it's safe, but i've found I can get it to ~70KM/h which is a bit terrifying on tiny 10" tyres

[zinc matrix]

hehehe

sometimes i hit this mark with my road

but only in some descents here

first time i drove, my grandfather, mother, sister and father were in the car

i turned on the engine (i knew what i was doing)

said to my dad, relax, i played a lot of forza

and i went full force sliding the wheels

it dies some meters after

but it was fun

[fleet tangle]

Lol 3L turbo for around town...!

[shy solar]

Yeah a bit excessive haha, but great fun for the traffic light Gran-Prix, right?

[fleet tangle]

Hehe

Not any worse than a 1.7L bike for around town. Traffic jams make the thighs hot.

And the thots high.

[shy solar]

I wanted something fun for the back roads (New Zealand has some awesome roads around Central Otago), but also comfy around town.
Just not at all fuel efficient around town. But the 8 Speed makes it super efficient on road trips. So you win some, you lose some.

[zinc matrix]

you said you had a rally car, or have one

how does it goes to practice it?

[shy solar]

Technically road legal here, so can practice a little on the dirt roads, but that's pretty reckless and dangerous.
I tend to use local Hill-Climb events for practice.

[fleet tangle]

An electric scooter ain't bad. Just not sure I could use one.

[zinc matrix]

oh yeah

once my father was almost involved in a crash by a no sense one passing really fast

we were riding bicycles

interesting, some days ago, we had a rally tournament

i had fun watching the vehicles going to the dirt road using the main highway

they are so noisy 🙂

i really like that glitch / breaked noise pattern they do

[fleet tangle]

I like the backfiring sound they make.

Anyway, tis gone 4am and my tooth is better. Time for sleep!

[zinc matrix]

if you have a lucid dream

please practice some rally

[shy solar]

4AM, wow. It's only 3:30PM here haha.

I have sadly since sold that rally car (1989 Subaru Legacy RS).
But planning to build a new one, just based on a cheaper car.
The Legacy was very very cool, but very expensive to keep going, and the parts are getting horribly expensive

[zinc matrix]

that vehicle on the driver license B on gran turismo 2

cooool

[shy solar]

yeah it was haha.

[zinc matrix]

actually feels like a masterpiece

i love squared-like designs

[shy solar]

Here's my old one, was great fun

[zinc matrix]

oh yes

🙂

[shy solar]

Was great fun, but destroyed three engines, so gave in after a while

Now thinking of building a little FWD hatchback as a 'new' car to race and have some fun

[zinc matrix]

modern ones are cheaper on the long run?

[shy solar]

It'll still be an older car, but yeah most modern cars are usually cheaper in reliability ways.
Old Japanese cars are getting so expensive here now.
Pre-COVID I purchased a 1996 Subaru WRX Gravel Express for $900.
Put a built motor and 6 speed in it, and sold it a few months ago for $15,000.
The old Legacy's are even worse, price wise, now

[zinc matrix]

well at least it reads that you like doing mechanical work

i do not think you can do in modern ones, right?

[shy solar]

Yeah, I like having a project car outside of my IT job.
Can still do a surprising amount of stuff on newer cars.
Even easier to make more power with newer cars too.
My main car is a 2014 BMW, with just a few mods and a tune I was able to gain more than 100HP for around $1000. Which is great value for the amount of work

[zinc matrix]

interesting... i thought modern ones were black boxes of electrical circuits

[shy solar]

Some much newer cars are, but people usually find a way to crack into them.
Like I can flash a new tune to my car wirelessly from my phone if I wanted to.
Where as in the old Subaru I required a $2000+ aftermarket ECU to even tune it from a laptop.

[zinc matrix]

yes, i was reading a new of a guy which jailbreak John Deer tractors systems to repair yourself

their service of repair is so exploratory, you need specialized technicians because everything is locked

[shy solar]

yeah John Deer is known for being very anti-Right-To-Repair

[zinc matrix]

last time i saw one

it got stuck for almost 2 days

and they were in a hurry because climate change that year

they were sooo upset

the technician only could reach the place in a week or so

😐

[shy solar]

yeah that's no good at all.

[zinc matrix]

i hope europeans laws change some stuff regarding this

and it translate to other parts of the world

(i think is there they are doing the most advance regarding this right)

[shy solar]

yeah Europe seems to be pushing for right-to-repair if I recall correctly

[zinc matrix]

@shy solar now, as being a mechanical aspirer and racer, how do you feel by placing racing games, if you play them at all?

[shy solar]

I play a little bit of Dirt Rally 2.0

[zinc matrix]

i mean aspirer but you can be ken block hidden on discord

who knows

[zinc matrix]

how does it feel?

i mean, how precise the controls are

[shy solar]

with a motion-activated sim platform it's great.

[zinc matrix]

i always try to find these type of answer on the internet, just for curiosity but Reddit just read a bunch of tech guys that never took a wheel

[shy solar]

from a normal PC it's difficult to get feedback that feels realistic

A friend has a full axis simulation rig for rally practice, which is great, but very very expensive, around $20000

[zinc matrix]

do vehicle vibration play a big role in handling on real life?

and another thing i noticed too, why do rally cars drift so much?

i know their power and the gravel / dirt condition

but a more gentle curve could lead to better timing?

i never watched much rally but i noticed it diminished a bit from old races to more recent ones

[shy solar]

being able to feel the gravel through the wheel is what I find is missing. You also can't feel the rotation of the car, so hard to know your grip level

[shy solar]

Yeah so grip is definitely faster, but a lot of the time people often just rally for the fun of it, and the sliding is a lot of fun, haha.

[zinc matrix]

yeah, rally at least for me, as an ocasional consumer of best moments on Youtube, feels like a type of art

it is really beautiful the amount of precision and concentration some do turns etc.

really nice

and the noise

😄 hehe

[shy solar]

yeah, it's great to watch, and great fun to drive/co-drive.
The noises are awesome haha.

[broken sigil]

seems like it does rotate slower

[cursive crypt]

Are you a pastafarian?

https://tenor.com/view/meaning-of-life-fsm-spaghetti-flying-spaghetti-monster-pastafarian-gif-13529136

[broken sigil]

I was actually shocked to see they managed to mess up such a basic thing

There is no possible way that they tested it and didn't notice lol

[edgy ice]

That looks like an album cover

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pride-rainbow-gif-26074067

[supple apex]

Trippy, tell me that's not yours please.

[supple apex]

Maybe they plan to lock the fps and are confident the fps wouldn't drop at all?
Especially if they develop it for console first then port to pc afterwards.

Maybe the devs just too used on doing console exclusive titles, they might forgot that pc specs can actually varies in performance.

AJudgementalTank now I see?

[broken sigil]

The performance has been pretty decent for me and the game is awesome but finding that bug surprised me lol

[sleek granite]

does anyone know how to check how long someone has been in this server?

[deep copper]

!user @sleek granite

[turbid spindle]

**Ben.Lee#1458**

Status

:black_circle: Offline

ID

183236011063508993

Roles

@everyone

Joined Server

August 1, 2022, 9:29 AM UTC

Joined Discord

May 20, 2016, 3:14 PM UTC

[deep copper]

it resets on rejoin tho

the other method would be to search for the user's messages and then sort by oldest

but that's not the join date, only message date

and these won't work on account switch

the other method would be to ask the person, but this is unreliable aprx date only

[slim atlas]

no it doesnt

!user

[turbid spindle]

**Glinny | Felicitas#0796**

Status

:green_circle: Online

ID

200341460598390785

Roles

@everyone

Joined Server

May 28, 2022, 3:19 PM UTC

Joined Discord

July 6, 2016, 8:05 PM UTC

[slim atlas]

see.

i was here the longest

[deep copper]

really? do you know what dragonHell is then?

[slim atlas]

i have 93K Chat messages.

no

[deep copper]

then you are the most involved i guess

arent*

[slim atlas]

i am

suffer.

[deep copper]

don't suffer!

[regal pecan]

If they tied the game tick to the framerate, input speed from the thumbsticks would also be reduced. Then this bug might compensate for that, so the low framerate doesn't noticeably slow the camera movement.

But that's awful, and requires the game tick tied to the framerate which is also awful.

Or even more awful, the camera movement is tied to the framerate but separate from the game tick. Maybe someone would think that's elegant because it's just on the edge of convoluted.

[cursive crypt]

Or maybe they tied the frames to random number generator sourced from tcp packets.

[regal pecan]

surely you mean udp packets

then again, tcp packets can get pretty ridiculous

[cursive crypt]

Show old frames when there is no time for the new ones 🧠

[cursive crypt]

Auto-stamp each frame as nft, become god.

[regal pecan]

One instance of your game and suddenly the wait time for free ethereum transactions is measured in millenia

[supple apex]

Is this what dragonHell is about?

#cpp message

[proud jay]

yes

don't take his name in vain

[ancient ingot]

wooooooooo cmon everybooooody dance with meeeeeeeeee \o/

[supple apex]

Wait, I'm not going to start getting random errors in unreal just by mentioning the forbidden name right?

[proud jay]

too late, you're doomed now

[ancient ingot]

you screwed dude

[supple apex]

Oh noes...

All hail dragonHell~

[timber viper]

this belongs to a BP only project that being developed for 5 years

its a save/load system 😄

[deep copper]

not just unreal

[fluid bloom]

talking to a recruiter

third interview now

25 mins ago I said we can end the call because I'm not interested and I have work to do

still listening to his monologue

kill me

[proud jay]

have you considered

hanging up...

"I really need to go now, bye" hangs up

[fluid bloom]

I have a principle of not burning any bridges with recruiters

[foggy path]

lol

it doesn't sound like this is a very good recruiter to be frank

[mossy nexus]

Naa, just say "sorry got to go, got a new job offer" and then hang up.

[proud jay]

also if you just announce that you have to leave it's not your fault if they keep rambling lol

[foggy path]

but honestly if they can't handle you telling them "look I'm not interested in this position and I'm really busy" it really probably doesn't matter if they get upset :p

[proud jay]

value your own time

[mossy nexus]

Anyone who insists on talking after an obvious "go away" isn't worth the effort of keeping on side.

[fluid bloom]

I'm hearing he's talking about something but I'm not paying any attention

[foggy path]

He probably has other things to do as well so you'd be saving both of you time lol

[timber viper]

Imagine he is increasing your salary by 8x and you're not listening

[foggy path]

I'm actually surprised that nowadays recruiters will tell you what the salary range for a position is if you ask

It used to be impossible to get that information sometimes even in the interview itself...

[fluid bloom]

finally

@timber viper we had the salary discussion on the 2nd call

[foggy path]

What I tend to do is if I'm not super interested in a position I'm just gonna push for a really high salary

To the point that I wouldn't necessarily mind doing the work if I got paid that

:P

So far it hasn't work out but no loss for me because I wouldn't have taken it at a lower salary anyway lol

[timber viper]

Best one is when you're rejected during your first application and a few months later they want to hire you

[foggy path]

Eh, it could happen. Applications sometimes aren't looked at very carefully lol

Or perhaps they thought the new position was more suitable, various reasons for it

[timber viper]

I've been rejected once because team lead thought I was not qualified enough then same team lead wanted to hire me because they were wrong about other applicants

[foggy path]

I mean I'd entertain it if it was an interesting position

People have this weird idea where they think people dealing with hiring are perfect and never make any mistakes

[timber viper]

Communication and kindness is very important though 😄 Sometimes you can just end up being your time wasted

[foggy path]

Well I don't really see a problem with communication or kindness if applications are being rejected, I mean what else are they supposed to do

[timber viper]

Nah I mean in general

It's like both sides are investing their times to get benefit in a project, and I saw many recruiters dont even have any idea what job requirements and acting so bossy about it

[foggy path]

Right

A lot of them don't really know how to do their jobs lol

[proud jay]

still impossible for things I applied to in recent years

[proud jay]

I get contacted with the vagues shit all the time

like a guy recently was hey I'm very interested in a profile, you match what we are looking for

then I go check their site

only open position is front-end developer

[foggy path]

Huh, that's interesting. I ask recruiters on linkedin when they message me about stuff and every single one has responded back with a range

[proud jay]

literally never done front-end in my life

had like 1 of 8 required skills

[timber viper]

lol

[proud jay]

you murica?

[foggy path]

Finland

[proud jay]

hmm

maybe depens on country

I'll hit the next annoying recruiter with it

nothing to lose

[timber viper]

Finland is a quality one tbh

[foggy path]

Yeah perhaps. I mentioned this on a finnish discord and they also agreed that it has changed recently, because it definitely used to be more like they won't tell you lol

[timber viper]

I got positive feedbacks from my friends working there

[proud jay]

I used to live in Finland for a while

it was pretty cool

missed my friends and family too much though

[timber viper]

I heard market products are damn expensive though

Even more expensive than Turkey

[foggy path]

market products?

[timber viper]

Your family lives in Finland?

[proud jay]

no

I did

[timber viper]

Cigarettes, beer etc

[proud jay]

my family lives in belgium

[foggy path]

also isn't Turkey generally considered a cheap country lol

[proud jay]

just like I do again now

[timber viper]

eeeh, for non citizens 🤣

[timber viper]

ah, gotcha

[foggy path]

I guess we have a bit of a tax on some of those, but I don't buy either of those anyway :P

[proud jay]

the finnish bread tastes like ass though\

[foggy path]

Sandels 4.7% 0.33 l beercan is 1.29 eur

I have no idea if that's expensive

[proud jay]

the beer in bars is expensive af

[foggy path]

A 24 pack of same stuff is 30 eur

[proud jay]

that's quite expensive yeah

[foggy path]

Does it 🤔

I mean there are more varieties of bread that one and a lot of them are quite good I think lol

[proud jay]

if you want cheap shit beer, you can get a 33cl can for 39 cents

it's probably literally piss though

[foggy path]

let me check what's the cheapest one...

[proud jay]

it is when compared to belgium

[foggy path]

Cheapest one is around 1 eur for around 4%'ish alcohol content

this is at the supermarket I shop at though, perhaps the Alko stores may have cheaper or if you buy in bulk

probably not as cheap as 39 cents though

[foggy path]

Right, wouldn't know about that lol... obviously there's also differences between fresh bread here too so maybe that's what it's about ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud jay]

yeah maybe

I got it from supermarkets

but it tasted like it was important and left on a shelf for 6 years before selling it again

no taste left

[foggy path]

lol

I think I know which one you might have bought lol

there are definitely ones which aren't that good but are okay for sandwiches

[tulip orbit]

nice. banged my injured finger at work twice, overflexed it a few times. I think I ripped a stitch or two a bit 😦

but hey, In more positive news... uh... I..... hm. I got nothin

[cursive crypt]

Finally, some good news.

Congratulations.

[tulip orbit]

thanks

actually, the good news is that its almost time for sleep! 🥳😴

[ancient ingot]

Happy crab

[zinc matrix]

Rust users taking over C++ coders in future

guess what, my sister, im her first day job, almost lose it because conflicts

kekeke

and her JBL speaker went brrrr it keep it turning on and off the whole night at the living room making noise

was a bit scary walking there and seeing a white light and from time to time a random noise

[fathom wadi]

only probably with coding with Rust is your code degrades over time in an oxygen rich environment.

[zinc matrix]

how about software moving through the scale and stoping at some RE (D) or SOL (G)

then DO (C) would get deprecated

ok, i have been waken for less than 1 hour and started talking non-sense already

now seriously

i curated my Instagram, to show me only capybaras memes on the Search tab

from time to time pregnant women appeared, i denounced them

as meat recipes

now it is only capybaras

but

from time to time, look what appears to me

idk why, but i laugh my ass out of this cats

i wonder if some people would get killed by these

they look so dangerous

and that is why i laugh; ppl are so dumb to have wild animals inside their house as pets

[fathom wadi]

I've got 7 kids. A tiger roaming around would do less damage

[zinc matrix]

are you serious?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[zinc matrix]

SEVEN?

[slim atlas]

This meme has been stolen.

[zinc matrix]

meu deus

7 children

[fathom wadi]

well 2 of them dont live with me. one is grown up and the other lives with his mother. But I have 5 knocking around

[zinc matrix]

can you teach them pixel art?

or some musical software?

[fathom wadi]

one spends her time doing photoshop, the other makes little games with roblox and game maker.

I have a piano but I cant teach the one who wants to learn because I dont know how to play it properly myself yet. Will get lessons when we get to a new house

[zinc matrix]

i always link this website, https://evanwill.github.io/open-music-theory/contents.html

the cantus-firmus and counterpoint part are reaaaaly easy to learn

[fathom wadi]

as soon as I get my GTX4xxx card Im gonna give my old pc to my son and start teaching him unreal engine

[zinc matrix]

to the point that i am almost going to the school i studied and evangelize Csound and teach them some counterpoint

[fathom wadi]

Ive been learning a bit of piano myself from youtube and I've been making my own rendition of Alice in Chain's Nutshell. But Im super busy atm with setting up AWS for our game so Ive not practiced for a couple of weeks

[zinc matrix]

nice

if i opted to have children i would probably do something with them, regarding art

probably teach them some technique, like taking photos of side-view of things, putting them on a canvas and drawing pixel art over it

make them do thousand of assets and then learn game-dev

or the fundamentals of Blender

[fathom wadi]

I dont want them to get into game dev. Too much hard work for the money. But if thats what they want to do its upto them.

I actually learned blender to teach them. That was fun

[zinc matrix]

yeah... but i would prefer me as a kid creating art than playing the thousand hours of violent MMORPG that i played

i think from my 10 up to my 17, i lived on a condom with more 12 boys at the same ballpark of age

we played online games extensively

it was a crew together on Tibia

i wonder what we would be able to put together if we wasted the time on Blender or whatever

[fathom wadi]

when I decided to go pro with computers I was a musician. But I saw the effect of mp3s and wanted a secondary in case I never made it. So got into networking and databases. Then web development. Then quit that for game dev. But at some point I realised that instead of playing WoW or Anarchy Online or SWTOR, I could treat game development like an MMO. Every day I grind it I level up. So here I am 12 years later with Epic armour (pun intended)

[zinc matrix]

yeah, children would learn a good one about consistency by doing a game

my plan was to learn everything from the ground up (except for some musical background) and develop my game in 1 year

[fathom wadi]

I wanted my kids to learn martial arts to learn work ethic and how to use a loss to develop instead of quitting. But they are too focused on computer stuff

[zinc matrix]

i am almost at year 1 of production (excluding 1 that i learned the essentials) and i am still inside the modelling software

maybe the major problem in guiding someone is to discover how to let them opt for it from the inside

otherwise they will not care

i would be a terrible parent

i would have a cardbox called the box of shame

and lock them there sometimes when they were being annoy

[fathom wadi]

being a parent these days is easy. Buy them a computer, keep them stacked with games. Let them play.

[zinc matrix]

nope

i found someone on discord

they telled me their children stories

2 little ones

i did not thought that kids could be that bad

[fathom wadi]

well we raise our kids with an almost hippy like mentality. Let them be themselves, interact with them when they want to. Give them freedom to learn and express themselves. Works for us

[zinc matrix]

my parents did that to me

what i would suggest to consider, at least teach their way to get their emotional intelligence as soon as possible

i suffered a lot by discovering i had an emotional side after my 22-23 years old of age

but maybe because my type is to act more rationally than emotionally

but i wish i had access to this type of intelligence sooner

buuuuuut

in my meditations about the topic are; the later you grow, the better, still, harder

late broom is beautiful but sometimes is a bit dark

[cold sonnet]

Huh?

[proud jay]

probably searched for their own name or some shit?

[deep copper]

yes !

i am certain!

[soft night]

!8ball have you searched your own name?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: You may rely on it.

[deep copper]

woah ! 4 hugs ! i feel so popular !!! one of them is me but whatever

[gusty star]

!!!!! AMD is unveiling their next gen ryzen processors on aug 29th

[deep copper]

can't wait for benchmarks

[proud jay]

can't wait to not care

[zinc matrix]

share me some anime profile pic

come on

all i could found is AI generated lazy eye ones

[deep copper]

woah nic eone!

[zinc matrix]

i do not have a lazy eye 😦

[deep copper]

i find mine on Pinterest as well xD once in a few months

[zinc matrix]

now

what name should i use

instead of luqtas

[deep copper]

your current seems cool tbh

[fathom wadi]

my issue with ryzen processors is you have to get the super expensive ones to get your money worth. And they are super expensive

[zinc matrix]

depends on what you are doing

mine is a 3550

and work fine, even for UE5 for my game

[fathom wadi]

well we know what we are doing here. Compiling, rendering, compiling and rendering again

[zinc matrix]

but the thing is high poly

[fathom wadi]

i looked at them last month and settled for a 12 core i7 12700k for price to power ratio

id have gone for a 12900k but i was trying to save money

plus its a power drain I didnt want. They are pretty harsh

[zinc matrix]

i wonder when we will got ARM on the common market

[fathom wadi]

20 years perhaps

[zinc matrix]

oh!

Apple is really a tech then

i thought they were just like 5 or 3 years ahead

[fathom wadi]

it may have been sooner if Nvidia weren't being scuppered in their buyout

[gusty star]

eh

I got a Ryzen 5 3600 for like 300 ish CAD at the start of the pandemic

its fairly powerful, doesn't draw a ton of power, and Idk I haven't had any issues with it yet

doubt it will handle compiling too well on 6 cores but w/e

[fathom wadi]

thats expensive for what it is

65w tdp is nice tho

[gusty star]

yeah fair

I was just kinda sick of intel too lol

also the price didn't seem too bad honestly at the time.

and the part is worth $180 canadian now

or around 150 USD

My rig was still only around $1500 canadian, and I spent like 600 dollars on a 1660 super alone at the start of the pandemic lmfao

but crypto is crashing

the 40xx is coming

next gen AMD is coming

prices be coming down soon, aye

[deep glen]

need a maaassssiiiive psu for them, they are so powerhungry im considering skipping

[gusty star]

I know eh? the 4090 is rumored to use 800 watts alone

[fathom wadi]

You can get by on an 850w if you don't have a dozen peripherals

[gusty star]

thats fk'd

full megawatt

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-intel-arc-intel-arc-graphics-arc-arc-graphics-gif-25273802

[gusty star]

my pc rn only has a 500 watt in it 😭

[deep glen]

only if its platinum, anything lower might spike the thing into flames. (or at least power-downs)

[fathom wadi]

dont think I'll bother with the 4090. a 4080ti will do the job for the next 4-5 years

[deep copper]

nuclear powered 40xx

[fathom wadi]

yeah the 850w comment was meant to relate to the 4080, not the 4090. Might be touching 1000w for that beast

[gusty star]

ye

Im gonna wait till black friday tho

if the 4070 isn't out by then

Ill get a 3060 or 3060 ti

if there is a ti version

[fathom wadi]

im still on a 1080ti so my upgrade is gonna be huge 🙂

[gusty star]

yeah boiiii

I have a 1660 super, but it has a single onboard fan 🙃

AND its factory overclocked 🙃

[fathom wadi]

i just spent £1500 on the rest of my pc to upgrade. which was also a huge upgrade. I went from 7 hour full engine compilation to 52minutes 😄

[deep copper]

that's 7+x

7x+*

[fathom wadi]

yeah for the money I should expect so 😄

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-typing-big-brained-busy-sweating-gif-17808553

[gusty star]

I spent 300 dollars recently on getting a gen 4.0 x4 1TB NVMe SSD, two more sticks of 8gb RAM (for 32 GB total)

[fathom wadi]

i7 12700k @ 5ghz, 32gb DDR5 ram at 5200mhz. 1tb NVMe m.2 SSD. godlike mobo.

[gusty star]

and I'm gonna spend another 300 on an external SSD (Samsung T7 2TB)

[deep copper]

..gaming industry really needs good gear doesn't it

[fathom wadi]

development sure does.

[gusty star]

more like unreal engine 😭

[fathom wadi]

I just need that RTX card now for smooth raytracing

[gusty star]

The unity game I was developing was ~80 mbs in file size and ran fine on my current rig sans upgrades 😭

[fathom wadi]

you can strip down unreal and get better final results but nobody ever does. They just let the compiler cook out the stuff but some of it gets cooked in. Got to really get your hands dirty to remove a lot of the bloat in unreal engine

[gusty star]

word

I'd probably spend more time tuning then developing tho

[deep copper]

can't wait for a Unreal lite

[gusty star]

and I have to write code and 3d model

[zinc matrix]

you can use Godot on a potato too

[gusty star]

so theres no time to sleep even!

this is what the unity game I was making was like tho

[deep copper]

hwy i hav seen that gif

[zinc matrix]

are you using 3D now?

[deep copper]

hey * have

[gusty star]

I had developed some core systems to support gameplay, things like procedural terrain generation, rudimentary tile selection, a building system with placement checks, and the movement thing (which is A*, and I had to write it cuz theres no out of the box 2d movement for multi level terrain like I had)

[gusty star]

I'm going to be in september, I'm on summer break hehe

rn I'm planning the next project, figuring out what I need to work on it, etc

buying the necessary tech upgrades, etc

[deep copper]

that looks cool

!

[gusty star]

It was supposed to be a western town builder sort of like rimworld

[deep copper]

it seems like you stopped using unity for this then, why?

[gusty star]

but more focused on the character of the mayor and the relationships between them and the townsfolk

Well for one I got really burnt out working 10-12 hour days lmao

I would get up at like 10 am and then work on it until 4 am ish

[zinc matrix]

hehe

[gusty star]

but only for like a month or two

[zinc matrix]

i was doing that, after month 7 or 8 i just collapsed

[gusty star]

idk it still burnt me out

[deep copper]

yeah I don't think much changed then

[zinc matrix]

here i am tossing like a bird because the cigarettes i ingested on the last weeks

[gusty star]

also I don't really like Unity as a company

[zinc matrix]

why

[gusty star]

Epic atleast ships games lmao

Unity does not

[zinc matrix]

actually they do

and more than Epic

[gusty star]

I mean the company itself

has never shipped a game

[zinc matrix]

what is the difference?

[gusty star]

Epic Games makes games

[zinc matrix]

users do feedback

[gusty star]

eh Idk, I feel like Epic is better suited for the industry, I don't wanna play games made by people who don't really even play video games ya know?

[deep copper]

i think there was a screenshot of unity quitting to make a game using their own engine xD

[gusty star]

lmao

[deep copper]

it was a tweet by unity, idk if it's a real tweet or some meme

[gusty star]

ye, some times its hard to tell these days

[zinc matrix]

yeah, they fired ppl working on the project they were trying to come up

now why, i do not really understand

[deep copper]

you should try to leave cigerettes my man 😔

[zinc matrix]

Unity is so big that defining it is a bit hard

[zinc matrix]

i am fine

already had this times before

after a while i just got repulsed

[gusty star]

Yeah. I mean the tech itself is decent, C# is easy to write in, etc

[zinc matrix]

i really care about my body

[gusty star]

I just don't like the company, and don't want to use their products

[deep copper]

i care about your body too!

[zinc matrix]

are you trying to be my anna?

[deep copper]

i heard it was great a few years back

but recently unity is getting weird

[gusty star]

Nicotine gum doesn't really work imo but idk some of my friends say vaping is a good way to get away from smoking ciggs.

[deep copper]

your banana?

[gusty star]

low nicotine tho

[zinc matrix]

i like the feel of transition between sober and high

i do not like to stay high per se

that is why i tend to have only periods of usage

[gusty star]

I mean you can still be an alcoholic even if you only binge drink on the weekends

[deep copper]

i heard it's kinda like switching from something to something else, not all that different and it also has downsides idk

[zinc matrix]

maybe one day i will get hook up

but it not like i smoke 10 cigarettes per day

[gusty star]

well yeah chain smoking =/= being addicted to smoking

[zinc matrix]

sometimes i smoke 2, that i roll myself and i doubt both are bigger than a single industrial one

[gusty star]

idk ciggs are just insanely addictive

nicotine is addictive

[zinc matrix]

depends why you use it

[gusty star]

and then theres additives that make it worse

[zinc matrix]

and the mentality you have previously

[deep copper]

i heard a smoker say "don't even try, it doesn't stop at 1"

[zinc matrix]

cigarettes was the last drugs i tried

anyway, idk if posted that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSlHRHx5AJU

[gusty star]

chill dude, we are just talking about some ciggarettes not that shiet

[zinc matrix]

this song is so nice

[zinc matrix]

i do not think it is shit

[gusty star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQEIT3FblCQ

this song is noice too (rip avicii)

[zinc matrix]

avicii died?

[gusty star]

awhile ago ye

[zinc matrix]

never heard her/his songs

[gusty star]

I wasn't a big fan of his either

[zinc matrix]

but one thing that took me into a sad state was discovering mac miller died

[gusty star]

but hearing his stuff on piano really makes you realize how good it was

[zinc matrix]

and i discovered some weeks ago

[gusty star]

ye bruh still not over Mac Miller dying 😭

[mossy nexus]

Talking of songs.. this was made by an Italian composer a few decades ago... https://youtu.be/-VsmF9m_Nt8

[gusty star]

tho mac millers family and estate are releasing his unreleased music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZozITxuNKo

[zinc matrix]

i thought avicci was a teenager doing pop music

[gusty star]

Swedish DJ, he was in his late 20s by the time of his passing iirc

[zinc matrix]

ah he was young

what a shame :Z

oh suicide

actually there is like 2 or 3 songs i like about Mac Miller

he is a bit violent on his lyrics

[gusty star]

ye, he had some seriously dark thoughts but I think its tied to substance abuse lol

[zinc matrix]

yeah... he died because of that

[gusty star]

theres still quite a few rappers around tho

[zinc matrix]

alcohol and some medicine overdose

[gusty star]

joey badass and vince staples put out albums this year

same with logic

ye but poly drug abuse is a long running issue, not just with more recent rappers, but celebrities in general

particularly hollywood

[zinc matrix]

interesting is that some do not even compose their stuff

they are just interpreting people creations

[gusty star]

ghost writers ye

[zinc matrix]

idk how they go so depressed

fake a bit on stage, earn millions

repeat

[fathom wadi]

depression is there regardless of success

[gusty star]

ye thats what makes the Mac Miller thing so tragic

he made his own beats and wrote a lot of his own bars

[zinc matrix]

yeah but the rate between abuse on famous popular artists is a bit high over the general population

[gusty star]

Its probably more to cope with the pressure and fame lol

[zinc matrix]

yes, but Good News was / is reaaaaaly cruel

basically a letter of being cool if dying

[fathom wadi]

they say that income can increase depression at both ends of the scale. Too little money, more depression. Too much money, more depression. They worked out the median wage for happiness was around 50k a year

[zinc matrix]

i think famous ppl depression may be tied to how they live

it is too much bohemian

no one can live with parties everyday and high quality drugs often

there is a pendulum

how high you go, how low you go too

[fathom wadi]

i suffer from depression and anxiety but its not about how I live, more about my past. I spent a couple of years with burnout when covid hit, but when I got over it and started earning again, my depression didnt go away even though my life is better now. I guess it's just a biological thing sometimes too.

[zinc matrix]

sure

i lived / live on a babylon state and i had those too

still, if my parents allowed drugs usage freely, etc. i probably would be dead now

[mossy nexus]

Yup. A lot of people are genetically more likely to suffer depression.

[zinc matrix]

but actually i may be misjudging famous people rate of depression compared to general population

but judging of what i see from contemporaneous famous people... you get on their instagram is like party everyday

[fathom wadi]

well it would need a study and numbers but if you have an opinion that sways that way because of how you see celebrity status, I can understand that

[zinc matrix]

although, psychology recently broke with a theory that depression is tied to serotonin levels

[fathom wadi]

I only want to be famous in this discord tbh :p

the serotonin level thing has been well established for many years. It's how most SSRI medication works

[zinc matrix]

yeah, but it was dismantled weeks ago or days

it is actually revolutionary in the field

[gusty star]

ye

the serotonin thing is dead in the water

[zinc matrix]

that is why often you see studies pointing that long-term drug treatment is usually pointless

[gusty star]

very recent tho

[fathom wadi]

yeah I saw that where they stated most anti-depression medication doesn't work. But they didn't factor in many things from correct dosage, monitored requirements and placebo effect. I know people for whom SSRIs work perfectly well and they feel better in their life. For me it didn't work because it left me with an emotional state like a zombie where I didn't care about anything that would cause stress. But because I get suicidal a lot, it also meant I didn't care if I killed myself so I stopped taking them. Now I care.

[mossy nexus]

The main issue with anti-depression drugs is that they only treat symptoms. Which is a bit shite imo

[fathom wadi]

yeah and they leave you with the attitude that you dont want to face the cause

so nothing is resolved except your levels of care

[zinc matrix]

the recent discovery does not exclude the rate of success in some cases, just now we know we were aiming at the wrong spot!

maybe now, the efficacy could go higher...

still, ssri are better than placebo

and probably the next thing will be better than ssri

[mossy nexus]

For me, it took decades of trying out difference drug combos.

[gusty star]

theres also really high rates of sexual dysfunction tied to SSRIs

no thank you lol

[zinc matrix]

you can say that

[gusty star]

actually SSRIs aren't much better than placebo lmao

[zinc matrix]

have you suffered from depression?

[gusty star]

lemme find the paper

[zinc matrix]

sure, but if it is 1% more performant

we are talking about a population of billions

[fathom wadi]

I knew a guy who during the rave era would take 10-15 ecstasy tablets a day. I once saw him when he couldn't get hold of any and he looked like the most depressed guy in the world. HIs entire face changed so you could almost not recognise him. His serotonin levels were absolutely smashed.

[zinc matrix]

oh come on

ecstasy is not serotonin

and 15?

this is close to get dead

[fathom wadi]

it induces serotonin

[zinc matrix]

300 ug of MDMA is enough to kill some people

[mossy nexus]

15 is nothing compared to some people.

[gusty star]

Actually its older data saying this, hmm

[zinc matrix]

i mean, is not serotonin only

[fathom wadi]

well im not lying about it. Some of the people I used to know where hardcore. This guy was someone I knew in Northern Ireland where abuse of drugs and alcohol was extreme in a lot of cases

[zinc matrix]

to get to the point you can use 15 ecstasy pills, you have to change your brain chemistry really hard

[gusty star]

Ye I know what you mean

[fathom wadi]

before I left northern ireland a few of my friends got into heroin. A month after I left, 4 of them were dead from overdoses. It was a nightmare

[zinc matrix]

her/his tolerance is fearful

[gusty star]

We probably shouldn't discuss it here but I know what you mean lol

[zinc matrix]

why not? it is been educative

[mossy nexus]

I remember one the guys getting a liver function test back in the army. We rejoiced when he was fine.. cause if his liver was fine.. the rest of use were safe too...

[gusty star]

Eh, its not really appropriate for pg-13 or w/e

but idk

[zinc matrix]

yeah...

[fathom wadi]

in all fairness this discussion isnt promoting drug use, rather the opposite.

[zinc matrix]

but i still hold the opinion that taboo regarding some stuff should be killed

pg-13 are not brainless monkeys

[fathom wadi]

kids these days are better educated than when I was 13 for sure.

[zinc matrix]

when i was 13 i was discussing the existence of god with my parents

[heavy palm]

Surely a mod will come by at some point and see this conversation and decide on whether or not it's appropriate.

[gusty star]

ye its not really at our discretion, ie our call

[mossy nexus]

Talking about depression and mental illness should be welcomed. It's the NOT talking about it that harms people.

[gusty star]

those are all good points, hopefully the mod who sees this considers them lol

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-gif-18149775

[zinc matrix]

yeah!

the points, children readers

use drugs after you get 26 years old

would be the best bet

your brain is fully mature

[heavy palm]

😬

[fathom wadi]

I wouldnt risk talking about something that wasn't allowed in lounge. Ive been banned once, that was painful to my soul. This is my home away from home 😄

[gusty star]

🤦‍♂️

[zinc matrix]

we can not get to a fake point where drugs does not exist

when i was 14 i had friends that offered me drugs

thanks my parents teach me something about

so i refused

[gusty star]

theres just like 100 million other topics

and there are other places to discuss what you're after lol

[heavy palm]

https://tenor.com/view/blues-clues-get-a-clue-clue-gif-3581036

[timber viper]

I think anti-depression pills only work out when you constantly see your doctor and when that doctor really cares about it. I dont think they are some knid of "fire-and-forget" pills as they affect literally every component in the brain

[fathom wadi]

I was doing them at 13. Forced into it too. I know that sounds odd, but I was bullied for many years.

[zinc matrix]

but if was not for their talk, i would probably start smoking weed too soon for my taste

[mossy nexus]

It's lounge.. topics vary over time

[timber viper]

And I think especially USA doctors has a bad reputation about depression pills

[zinc matrix]

doctors and doctors

[mossy nexus]

Any doctor that doesn't do follow ups should be barred. Every doc I've saw does that.

[fathom wadi]

I agree. One other reason I don't like to take them is when I goto the doctor about my depression they instantly want to put me on Effexor and I always refuse. Its almost like an automatic prescription these days for when you say you are depressed. I dont like that at all