lounge

[foggy path]

:P

[celest musk]

yea i thought about if it was maybe tooo many 9's

[foggy path]

lol yeah

[celest musk]

but they didn't notice 😄

[primal summit]

more unity news:
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/unity-signs-multi-million-dollar-contract-to-help-u-s-government-with-defense

[deep copper]

we know you meant "really few"!

Unity is part of US army now?!

[celest musk]

rip US army

[primal summit]

nope, they're a subcontractor to a contractor

"part of" implies owned and controlled by

[gusty star]

the photo is potato but heres a lynx size compared to humans

big floof

[primal summit]

kan I haz?

[deep copper]

will you be a part of me?

[deep copper]

yeah kinda tiger level but just, 10% smaller

[gusty star]

ye

it basically eats everything too lmao

from birds to rabbits to even deer

[deep copper]

and insects?

[gusty star]

I don't think so actually

its just a carnivore

[deep copper]

do cats eat insects?

[gusty star]

I meant moreso just it has a wide range of prey species

nah, primates do tho

[deep copper]

ohh

[gusty star]

like gorillas eat a fk ton of insects

[deep copper]

wait seriously

[gusty star]

i think so

[deep copper]

hmm, i mean, humans do eat insects as well i guess

[celest musk]

https://www.twitch.tv/unrealengine

@deep copper you should watch it, they talk about harassment 😄

[deep copper]

but do they do it?

[primal summit]

my cats catch and eat moths, flies, and butterflies when they're taking a break from their jobs of hunting and killing mice

[celest musk]

you shouldn't watch it to improve on that...

[primal summit]

I've always been disappointed with employer mandated harassment training. It's always focused on how to avoid, respond to, and stop harassment but never on the less-covered how to engage in effective harassment.

[deep copper]

what is this aimed at exactly, you make games with less harassment?

there's no rewind in twitch I don't know what i joined at lol

[celest musk]

yea

[edgy ice]

question of the day: whatchya listening to right now?

[primal summit]

an air conditioner

[edgy ice]

sick music, 10/10

[primal summit]

there's a subtle beat from the clothes dryer in the background

[deep copper]

wish i was listening to your heartbeat 💓
this message is meant to be a joke

[edgy ice]

kek.

im just bored, trying to find new music

[deep copper]

do you play any instrument?

[edgy ice]

not unless you count a DAW as an instrument

[deep copper]

and i am quite certain that if you are into metal or something, you can get way too many recommendations here

[edgy ice]

oh i listen to...just about everything?

[deep copper]

then, just wait for a while, when people are here you would certainly get it

[edgy ice]

metal, screamo, hardcore, Electronic hardcore, hardbass, country, dub, dubstep, phonk, future funk, synthwave, folk, tribal beats, pop, rock, hip hop

[deep copper]

"we have technicians here making noise, they are not artists because nobody can play the guitar"

[edgy ice]

i listen to p much whatever

very open minded to music

[deep copper]

that's quite open yes 🤔

[edgy ice]

i only have.............15k songs saved on spotify?

more or less?

[deep copper]

that's quite a lot, but how many do you listen to?

do you just hit shuffle and..?

[primal summit]

80's thrash and speed metal

[edgy ice]

all of it more or less, its all saved on playlists and i put them on whenever im in the mood for stuff

speed metal is fun

[primal summit]

megadeth, blind guardian, etc.

[edgy ice]

blind guardian is power metal

their newest album is I N S A N E

[primal summit]

not their early stuff

batallions of fear's definitely speed

[edgy ice]

like the 90s stuff i guess yea

was speed

[primal summit]

I haven't heard any of their stuff since at the edge of time

[edgy ice]

but i like edge of time and onward

blood of the elves is GREAT

[primal summit]

they started in the early 80's, 82 I think

[edgy ice]

either way though

Blood of the elves? insane

er

no im wrong lol

the album is called Violent Shadows

spotify does that thing where singles share the album cover

m y b a d

but yea, point is

tons of music

[mossy nexus]

https://portal.productboard.com/epicgames/1-unreal-engine-public-roadmap/tabs/80-unreal-engine-5-1-in-progress

[gusty star]

Man, Relic and SEGA opened up pre-orders for a physical collectors edition for Company of Heroes 3 a month after the digital ones -_-

pain

but I'm a simp cuz I bought it anyway, refunded the other one and ye here we are

[languid oracle]

Anyone know where I can go to find someone with a technical background to help me resolve my performance bottlenecks in my ue5 project?

[deep copper]

#instructions ?

sounds like an #volunteer-projects if you want someone to specially do it

[languid oracle]

Okay ill take a look there. I am def willing to pay for this, I really just need to pin point what is causing the bottleneck.

[deep copper]

in that case check #instructions for finding the correct one

[dense isle]

Well I have just started work on a game I’m going to call destroy the houses

Basically the houses come to life and the windows are lasers

Does it sound like a good idea

[foggy path]

it sounds kinda fun

but it's really the execution that matters

[slow imp]

https://itch.io/jam/2022-epic-megajam

[edgy ice]

@dense isle the idea sounds fun, but as mentioned before, execution is key

Meaning I better see skyscraper bosses that have lasers and missile launchers and you as the player need to scale the interiors to blow them up :P

And suburban homes that shoot lawn flamingos

[dense isle]

For skyscrapers only tho

[edgy ice]

You could do other houses lol

My point is, have fun with the idea

Do something wild

[dense isle]

I am but for interiors and stuff just on skyscrapers

[edgy ice]

I can see it now, the player is a real estate agent who must defeat houses in glorious shadow of the colossus style combat

Lest potential homeowners are slaughtered by malicious houses

I'd play it. Sounds sick.

[dense isle]

Well it’s going to take a while

[edgy ice]

Well future me will enjoy it :U

[primal summit]

sounds a lot like the now-missing webcomic pandora's placebo

[deep copper]

sounds like Manny's gameidea

[edgy ice]

i have no idea what either of those things are 😄

i just came up with that on the spot rofl

[deep copper]

type and send !gameidea, check dms

manny sends random game ideas

[night grove]

A game about a horse with gifts that will stop at nothing to save your family. On top of that, you're the last person alive. 🤔

[deep copper]

then it's already too late to save the family

[night grove]

IKR?

Bad Manny

You are a baker in a courtyard. Armed only with a katana and your wits, you must become the president. Redemption chance: Success?

[edgy ice]

actually that last one is kinda insane

rofl

idk it sounds dumb enough to work

[night grove]

Katana shaped rolling pin!

[edgy ice]

plus it wouldnt be the weirdest idea.

i mean

Ki No Kuni II starts with ||You, the MC are the president of the united states on the way to a summit in manhattan before it gets nuked into oblivion, so you get issekai'd into another world and must help a small catboy king who is caught up in a coup||

[night grove]

Just realized... This means the horse is the boss fight.

[edgy ice]

the gifts are bombs

[night grove]

Ergo, you killed your own family? Framed!

Is the horse the judge?

[night grove]

Oh I C. Judge, Jury, AND Executioner.

Manny is improving: A game where the world is dominated by yetis, and the last hope for humanity is a bartender with a scythe.

[supple apex]

@deep copper
Was ben's scolding the reason you switch to handshake?
Here, I'll give you a compromise, high five should be fine in the correct context, have one 🖐️

[night grove]

'murica

https://tenor.com/view/meme-made-creator-stolen-gif-20229431

😭 Don't get me started on the SO garbage

There's no stack overflow presence for UE! How am I supposed to work? /s

I just type "fortnite" into the search here and copy all the stuff I find

💰 Why didn't I think of this sooner!? 🤑

VEEEERRRRYYYY tempting

There's a reason I haven't subbed to it yet

And that reason isn't poor quality

It's poor life decisions

XD

I'm legit thinking of using MJ to generate "movie poster" style art to plaster a creepy carnival with

Resistance is futile! I too must join the cult of MJ!

[deep copper]

no idea when ben did that xD, but not just that i think

[cursive crypt]

Guess who is likely producing something.

[proud jay]

no-one probably

[fathom wadi]

imagine though if something was produced that said "fuck gameplay" and required a credit card to complete the game. And they made it in the Diablo Universe. And made it a mobile only game before succumbing to pressure and releasing it for PC mastercard gamers to play along. And imagine Blizzard released it in all seriousness.

[cursive crypt]

I heard Diablo sells well. Makes money which is the most important. If ppl spend, then they like the game 🤑

[fathom wadi]

naah they are just people with narcissistic spending habits

[cursive crypt]

Making games for whales. New trend. Gachas basically.

[fathom wadi]

I dont mind it honestly if the gameplay doesn't suffer for regular players

[cursive crypt]

kek

Modern diablo ^

[fathom wadi]

I always had this controversial opinion that I want anyone to play my games no matter if they can afford it, and if they can't they have my permission to pirate it. A lot of people threw shade on me for that opinion but I remember being a poor kid who thrived on games for happiness and couldn't afford a new game most months. When I grew up I spent thousands on games and console and pcs. What goes around comes around I say.

[cursive crypt]

I know these times :/ So, I understand 👍

[mystic moth]

The stance the Darkwood devs took was "don't go to a grey market store and we're good."

[fathom wadi]

We released a game once and it was pirated on a famous site. But they pirated the pre-release steam version and the game had a day 1 patch that fixed a bunch of vital stuff. So I did support on this famous piracy site for the game. People really appreciated it 😄

[mystic moth]

I think it depends, most of the games I used to play had a note included in the readme asking that if you were playing a pirated copy to consider supporting the devs down the line.

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[mystic moth]

At the end of the day you really have to acknowledge the fact that it's going to happen, there simply isn't a way to stop piracy so all you can really do is make sure your product is legitimately worth buying.

[fathom wadi]

I've bought every pirated game I enjoyed. I know that sounds awful that I pirated it in the first place but when the demo became a thing of the past I had to test games to know if I liked them or not. Of course this wasn't every game. You just know you're gonna enjoy some games and multiplayer games tend to get a buy if you are semi intested

[mystic moth]

That and make sure purchasing is actually a good accessible investment, there have absolutely been games that are objectively worse in their official release. I own American McGee's Scrapland but because it has Starforce I wouldn't put it within ten feet of my computer in a million years.

[fathom wadi]

does that even work anymore?

[mystic moth]

I'm not willing to find out.

I do know at least as far as some versions of Windows 7 and 8 it could corrupt your OS.

Raycevick mentions it in his video about Ubisoft's King Kong game.

[fathom wadi]

yeah I was never a fan of old DRM. The new DRM is just as bad tbh. Another advantage of piracy sometimes. Like Resident Evil Village had severe FPS issues with denuvo. The piracy scene ripped it and the fps issues were gone.

[proud jay]

tbh I think DRM is overrated from a developer standpoint

people that pirate your game are not likely to buy your game in the first place I think

[slim atlas]

look at the weird debate in #ue5-general

[mystic moth]

I didn't play Village at launch so I wouldn't know, but it could very well be DirectX12 jank as well.

[slim atlas]

holy cow

[proud jay]

like if there was no crack, chances would be slim they play your game at all

[slim atlas]

what a morning

[fathom wadi]

it depends on the drm. For some time the Denuvo games were not being pirated for upto 6 months after release. That is guaranteed extra sales. Whether it was worth the cost/time/manpower I dunno

[mystic moth]

The patches for RE2 and RE7 dropped performance severely, and AFAIK Denuvo is still absent from both.

But generally speaking I tend to agree, at least of my level of development any interest on my game would be a positive paid or not. Someone playing my game and not buying it would be as harmful as looking at the page and not buying it. Same monetary difference really.

The only thing I absolutely am 100% on board with is prerelease DRM, I totally get it if developers want to make sure reviewers don't leak out a build before the game is even out. It's kind of a courtesy to your players to keep a story based game under lock and key before they can even touch it.

[stiff crystal]

@carmine frigate mona lisa example is bit off because copyright only protects the original piece from time the artist is alive and some predetermined amount of years from original authors death

how long that period is varies by the laws of the country afaik

wikipedia says it can be from 50 to 100 years

this is why you are free to use old audio recordings and pretty much most of the known classical music arrangements without paying anyone for it

[gusty star]

yeah public domain

tho disney has lobbied to extend copyright in the US significantly

[stiff crystal]

yeah, there were some works that concern disney characters recently that fell into PD

[proud jay]

yes micky mouse will enter the public domain in 2024

or maybe you're talking about winnie the pooh?

cause that one entered public domain, like the original one

[gusty star]

winnie the pooh did as well ye

yeah

[proud jay]

but the disney exact depiction is still protected

[slim atlas]

i got someone banned again lol

i am a hazard

[carmine frigate]

@stiff crystal yea most recordings of old songs in public domain are itself not public but belong to the person that played it

also you are allowed to make an imitation of a recent artwork aslong as you sign it yourself

[proud jay]

well imitation

not just copy paste

[slim atlas]

plagarism

[proud jay]

and it has to be different enough from the original

[carmine frigate]

well you are allowed to make it as close as possible

[proud jay]

that would still be infringing copyright afaik

if you make an exact copy, that's illegal

[carmine frigate]

no doesnt have to be diffrent

[deep copper]

i mean, many song lawsuits happen if they sound similar enough right?

[stiff crystal]

this is why I said about the arrangements.. of course if you have a recording that is newer than what falls into PD by copyright laws terms, you can't use it

like if there's a recording of a symphony from last year, obviously you can't use it even if the original author of the symphony itself died 150 years ago

the whole music copyright thing is a complicated mess for newer content

[proud jay]

reproduction and derivative are covered by copyright

[gusty star]

ye

[stiff crystal]

like you can't really produce music anymore that doesn't have same melody as some previously made content so they have all kinds of rules on how long duration you can have for the same sounding part etc

[proud jay]

I would argue repainting a painting exactly is reproduction

[gusty star]

reproduction usually means mass production in this context iirc

[gusty star]

Yeah like you could do a master study of it, for learning, but dont sell it ofc

[proud jay]

that's my point

[gusty star]

mb

[proud jay]

it has to be different enought to be considered yours before you can sell it

[gusty star]

yeah

US copyright defines that as:

Section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Act are four elements courts must consider when determining whether fair use is an adequate and applicable defense: (1) the purpose and character of the work, (2) the nature of the copyrighted work, (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole, and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

http://uspatentlaw.cn/en/what-is-the-difference-between-a-transformative-and-derivative-work-in-united-states-copyright-law/

[stiff crystal]

there was this weird case with eiffel tower on this topic... https://www.slashgear.com/your-night-time-eiffel-tower-photos-are-copyright-violations-09354716

this is really weird one

because it makes very little sense

[deep glen]

https://i.gyazo.com/05ec77d6674569d0b2fbff7bed77e363.png :p

[deep copper]

so how do you exactly figure out what's okay and what's not?

[proud jay]

you let a judge decide

[gusty star]

its usually a copyright lawyers job

and judges haha

[proud jay]

that's why copyright is often times ignored if it's about small enough issues

[deep glen]

I was quite the petty teen, I reported all the eiffel towers at night on deviant art and got them removed XD

[proud jay]

now TradeMark is something else

that is fought all the time

[stiff crystal]

I really wish building copyrights were less strict

[proud jay]

because if you don't actively defend your Trademark you can lose it

[stiff crystal]

because it's silly that we can't like have known buildings on our games without permission but if we were to film a movie there, it would be fine

[gusty star]

ye

the film industry runs on some shaky economics tho lmao

[stiff crystal]

it's kinda case where it's just more of copyright laws not being up-to-date with modern world

[proud jay]

they also have to get permits often times though

[stiff crystal]

yeah there are some really famous structures

[proud jay]

like you can't just film a commercial product in the coliseum for example

[stiff crystal]

or that Jesus statue in brazil

[deep copper]

<-- so how's the copyright work for this emoji

[stiff crystal]

that's been in many films tho but people have tried to prevent it

[proud jay]

it's my face

[stiff crystal]

bottom line is... if it's in the gray area, you just want to avoid it unless you have army of lawyers

[proud jay]

I don't have copyright on my face

[carmine frigate]

or if u just want to toss a hissyfit

[gusty star]

Don't tempt a hungry lion

[proud jay]

whoever made the emote would have the copyright

[gusty star]

original IP is more valuable anyway

[proud jay]

but it is using my likeness so I think I could get it taken down if I wanted

[deep copper]

wait really?

[carmine frigate]

you do have copyright on ur face

[gusty star]

yeah dieter has to agree to having his likeness used

[proud jay]

copyright only applies to man-mad creative ventures

[cursive crypt]

So, we can get all these AI textures from the MP for free?

[deep copper]

okay so, mona lisa painting, if mona lisa wanted they could've taken the painting down, but the painter owns it otherwise

[stiff crystal]

there are laws on photography for people where you focus on their faces

[gusty star]

megapixel or w/e?

if you use it with UE yes, per the license terms

[stiff crystal]

like, you can't publicly photograph peoples faces only and share them

I mean without their permission

[gusty star]

yeah, but thats more about privacy

well

[proud jay]

yeah, but that's not copyright

[stiff crystal]

yeah it's not

[gusty star]

so wait

[deep copper]

okay so bodies are okay?

[proud jay]

the photographer always has copyright

[gusty star]

usually you can't be photographed in places with a reasonable expectation of privacy

but if you're in public...

[proud jay]

the picture could have privacy concerns though

[carmine frigate]

there was a commercial where they made some guy that looked like a famous footbal player wear the shirt with number of said player

[gusty star]

that doesn't add up with the copyright understanding?

[stiff crystal]

if the person in picture is not the main thing, it's generally considered ok

[proud jay]

it's like that one court case where a nature photographer was fighting for copyright over his picture with the monkey of the picture

[carmine frigate]

so other ppl might own the rights to a verry similar face

[proud jay]

because the monkey took the camera and actually made a selfie

I think the monkey actually won the case

[deep copper]

wait how did the monkey

apply for it

[proud jay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute

[deep copper]

between 2011 and 2018...

long

[gusty star]

yeah legal battles 🤷

[proud jay]

ok the photographer actually won

[gusty star]

but fo real tho

[proud jay]

but only because copyright only applies to man-made things

and monkey is not man

[gusty star]

come up with original Intellectual Property

document it early on

and then boom you're fine

[deep copper]

In a separate dispute, PETA tried to use the monkey selfies to establish a legal precedent that animals should be declared copyright holders.

does PETA not have anything better to do

[gusty star]

so the monkey can't hold copyright cuz monkeys/animals don't really have rights per se?

[supple apex]

Not sure legally correct or not, but that's a dangerous precedent to say actually.
Probably better say you own copyright of your face and likeness, until the court prove otherwise.

[deep copper]

well, human rules should be guidelines for humans, monkey should make their own

we have copyrighted our laws for ourselves

[deep copper]

innocent until proven guilty huh

[slim atlas]

PETA has something better todo

killing dogs and cats

PETA is a major funder for this

[rain flower]

So why did xavier get banned

[slim atlas]

and it doesnt matter wich animals or what background

as soon as the animals arrive in the shelter

they might get killed.

PETA funds it.

[gusty star]

yeah PETA damaged the Nazca Lines iirc

dumb asses

[slim atlas]

PETA in general is absolutly horrible

[deep copper]

PETA is practically just a joke rn lol

[slim atlas]

extremely woke too

[carmine frigate]

kid wants a puppy... kid doesnt want to walk the dog

[deep copper]

does he wants to walk a puppy?

[gusty star]

its kinda weird but my one buddy was saying that deer populations actually do better when there are wolves to put pressure on the herd, so ironically nature just kinda be metal ngl

[carmine frigate]

for a week like most kids toys 😛

[gusty star]

and some rewilding efforts in the US are looking at reintroducing wolves and beavers

[deep copper]

natural selection made it the way it is now, the more we interfere the more we ruin it

[gusty star]

eh humans have made tons of shiet go extinct

its bad bad not good

[deep copper]

if you consider humans a part of the animal warfare then it's all fair!

[gusty star]

eh, I like to think of it like being the keepers of the animals, like a beastmaster or something lmao

kinda shifts things to a more conservation focus

idk

theres less insects each year

less birds

its weird times we living in

[deep copper]

oh yeah, wasn't there stuff we could do to make mosquitos go extinct, but we didn't

[gusty star]

makes me think of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? where the protagonist wants an electric animal really badly, one thats super life like cuz most of the real ones are goners

been awhile since i've read it tho

yeah

mosquitoes are a wierd one cuz I think you can actually remove them from the food chain without impacting too much but idk how true that is (haven't fact checked it)

cuz lots of stuff eats them so idk

[deep copper]

it would be kinda nice if we could remove them haha

[gusty star]

agreed lmao

[deep copper]

what animal do you prefer btw?

[gusty star]

Idk I've never really owned one or anything but I really like Chinchillas lmao

cute little fast bois

[deep copper]

yeah okay i gotta search that one xD

[carmine frigate]

prolly wouldnt be good if mosquitoes went extinct

[deep copper]

such difficult spelling

[gusty star]

yeah its a south american rodent iirc

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/tany-gif-22417577

[carmine frigate]

now if u could just donate them a liter of blood to leave me alone... that would be great

[gusty star]

but they need big cages to move around in, tall cages too so they can climb stuff

[deep copper]

omg, these are adorable!

[supple apex]

You mean something like this?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/14/504732533/to-fight-malaria-scientists-try-genetic-engineering-to-wipe-out-mosquitoes

[deep copper]

yeah i think so

[slim atlas]

omg

thats literally the worst idea

HOLY SHIT

[deep copper]

i recall disney also did things to get rid of mosquitos around their disney park

[slim atlas]

altering mosquitos

[gusty star]

g e o e n g i n e e r i n g

[slim atlas]

that totally sounds like disaster

[deep copper]

new nano bots

[gusty star]

lay it on us, how is this mad scientist esque idea bad?

[carmine frigate]

yea.. thats how zombie movies start 😛

[gusty star]

what if we breed african bees with european bees and get the best of both worlds 😮

[proud jay]

well no, like I said copyright only applies to man-made things, I have other rights on my face potentially, but not copyright

[gusty star]

hint:

it led to killer bees

[deep copper]

so i can copyright your face?

[gusty star]

atleast its not the whole pumping the atmosphere with reflective particles to block light / cool the earth

[deep copper]

who in their right minds wanted to do this

[supple apex]

I'm no legal guy dieter, just stating it sounds like a bad precedent to say, words can be twisted to make it sound you waive your rights to your face and likeness.
Again, not a legal guy here, probably you know better in this case.

[gusty star]

https://www.geoengineeringmonitor.org/2021/02/stratospheric_aerosol_injection/

[deep copper]

ohh, whatever you say will be held against you!

[gusty star]

p l e a d t h e f i f t h

tho I think cloud seeding works so idk some geoengineering sounds crazy

but it works™️

[deep copper]

and then earth gets too cold so we make it warm by burning it

the gel

burning the cloud

it would be cool if it had a turn on off switch

[proud jay]

no, you can copyright a picture of my face, not my face

[deep copper]

make an nft of it 😋

wait how's the law for manny in ue, public domain?

[gusty star]

oh shi- its 4:24 am. I gotta go to bed 😩 bye for now!

they license manny to you iirc

[supple apex]

Do people really make that much profit from an nft?

[proud jay]

I guess it fall under the engine license

[gusty star]

i think its part of the included assets ye

[deep copper]

no idea never tried

[gusty star]

some people have made money from nfts

but some guy who bought an nft of the first tweet on twitter lost several million dollars after it sold for a fraction of what he paid for it

its kinda crashing with crypto

[deep copper]

it's a gamble

if you have too much money, give it a shot

[gusty star]

but its 1) a speculative asset for some

and 2) art

ie a luxury

[proud jay]

but also nft can be used for tax loss harvesting

[gusty star]

and the economy is shiet so

[proud jay]

since the wallets are anonymous

you could sell an nft you paid 2 million for for 3 dollars, to an anonymous buyer also being you

then you make almost 2 million loss

[fathom wadi]

https://portal.productboard.com/epicgames/1-unreal-engine-public-roadmap/tabs/80-unreal-engine-5-1-in-progress here have some unreal goodness.

[gusty star]

true 🤔

[proud jay]

in USA at least

[gusty star]

thats 5d right there lmao

[empty blade]

Sort of. Depends on the country you are in. There's definitely a concept of commercialising and licensing a person's likeness. Think football players etc

[gusty star]

i wouldn't be suprised considering wash trading is a thing in crypto

and other white collar crimes

[fathom wadi]

wallets might be anonymous, but cashing out isnt

[proud jay]

yes, but that is not copyright

[gusty star]

f crypto tho, the enviromental impact is staggering

[deep copper]

go sleep already 😆

[fathom wadi]

whats the environmental impact of Discord, or other social media, or driving a car, or farting.

[empty blade]

True, but just wanted to clarify because the internet is terrible and loses all nuance and paints broad strokes. Just look at all the crazy takes around "fair use" on YouTube. You'd think copyright wouldn't even exist with what some people think fair use enables

[deep copper]

discord makes people lazy and NOT do harmful activities like burning forests and killing animals, so discord is good for environment (if you consider the items listed as good)

[supple apex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

[proud jay]

crypto environmental impact is huge though

[cold aspen]

what...

Tell that to twitter artists

[deep copper]

like wasting GPU!

[proud jay]

well yeah that's the main point

the energy consumption

[cold aspen]

GPU and electricity

It's affecting the poorer ones through higher electrical bill payments

[proud jay]

well it's also just a waste really

[carmine frigate]

also its a negative sum game 😛

[cold aspen]

overall bad

Dr. Disrespect's NFT FPS game

[carmine frigate]

power burned doesnt equal money made

[proud jay]

not all crypto though

proof of stake crypto is better

[deep copper]

i recall some said bit coin is eco friendly because no physical material , when it came out

[cold aspen]

yep, that's what it was said

Anyone here has an infamy status?

[carmine frigate]

biggest waste is not the energy waste tho... its people staring at a graph all day... total wasted genetration 😛

[proud jay]

well bitcoin in itself is eco friendly

using it, less so

[cold aspen]

doesn't feel like negative sum when it comes to economy.

More of "equal conversion". Make everything around you expensive, while you earn the money.

[carmine frigate]

zero sum game.... ppl can only get out what ppl put in

[cold aspen]

zero sum personal.
negative sum if you include others non crypto-miners

[carmine frigate]

ppl put a lot of energy into crypto... if no1 wants to buy there is nothing to take out

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-blockchain-cryptocurrency-gains-associates-venture-capital-gif-23514954

[carmine frigate]

also if ppl stop mining it.. its instantly worthless

[cold aspen]

yep. But people wanted the money when mining

isn't crypto a security thing?

I forgot what it does

[carmine frigate]

we will see this winter then power bill goes times 4... this does not make crypto more expensive... ppl like to link it to the cost to mine but this is far from true

[foggy path]

crypto usually refers to cryptography ("a security thing") or cryptocurrency (not a security thing lol)

although in the word cryptocurrency the word crypto refers to cryptography :P

[carmine frigate]

if europ stops mining the great firewall of china can take 51%

its not secure at all

[cold aspen]

Oh. I thought companies pay miners for using their GPU for security processing, through cryptocurrency

[proud jay]

that is more blockchain tech than crypto

but crypto uses blockchain

[cold aspen]

so crypto uses blockchain just to confirm currency/transaction process.

Nothing external... Just internal.

[proud jay]

it's decentralized

it's like everyone keeps a notebook with all transactions

[carmine frigate]

energy price went up a lot and crypto went down a lot

[proud jay]

and if you have a transaction and someone else doesn't, something must be wrong

that's why if you have 51% of the power of the blockchain you can do anything you want

[carmine frigate]

thats how linked it is to cost to mine... it isnt

cost to mine goes up.. price goes down.. less ppl mine... the chain gets unsecure

[cursive crypt]

no

[proud jay]

elaborate

[cursive crypt]

Basically, which blockchain you are discussing?

[proud jay]

any PoW crypto blockchain

[cursive crypt]

Okay then. Btw, I heard bitcoin has kinda 3 major nodes? Or along the lines. kek

[carmine frigate]

its really not so great at the thing it is supposed to do 😛

[digital shore]

cant you guys use "unrealengine" or "unreal-engine" vanity server url?

[slim atlas]

vanity server url?

what is that

[soft night]

!8ball you like vanity guy?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: Very doubtful.

[soft night]

!8ball you know vanity sever url?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: My reply is no.

[cursive crypt]

Sounds like a scam.

[slim atlas]

!8ball today harvest organs from humans?

[turbid spindle]

@slim atlas, :8ball: My sources say no.

[slim atlas]

😦

!8ball do you just not like me manny?

[turbid spindle]

@slim atlas, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[slim atlas]

:((((

[soft night]

!8ball you like @slim atlas ?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: It is certain.

[slim atlas]

🥲

[slim atlas]

We definitly can do all that

[cursive crypt]

Mooooods, unsolicited discord links o/

I'm not giving my crypto to randos!

Friend? Is that some foreign type of a ham?

Forbidden language.

[supple apex]

So that's what a vanity url is?
A pretty url?

[soft night]

to Fiend

[supple apex]

And here I thought it was some sort of site or software/app, I'm out of the loop. 😑

[soft night]

The Fiend https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/41/da/9d41da58b6396ce5c8bbd32f8c4bcbe9.jpg

[cursive crypt]

Imagine the amount of skin issues, lichens, bugs and etc.

[soft night]

youwould bein heaven

[deep copper]

you are not alone

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-x-box-give-me-transformation-kick-gif-3450362

oh my the gif of this

[proud jay]

that's a very specific crowd either way though, only people that are pregnant and already have a child with them

[deep copper]

but that's dangerous to leave them on a parking space, there are kidnappers and stuff

i think pregnant+child people are allowed inside stores usually

maybe the store is also oddly specific

[mossy nexus]

Talking about being specific...

[deep copper]

i have seen that one before, but still hilarious xD

[celest musk]

yea, that's save worthy

[deep sandal]

In discord, is there a way to post code snippets? If so, how do you do that?

[cursive crypt]

Tripple ` on open and then on close. Also you can always search on internet for how to do it.

[iron knoll]

I have a question, for those who don't mind chatting for a while

Why are gamedevs that work on fan games willing to work on a fan game for free and not with a team that would bring them extra capital?

I already have an answer, but I want to know if there are different opinions to this

[fleet tangle]

Maybe they are passionate about their game?

Maybe you aren't paying enough.

[iron knoll]

Okay, but let's say that the mechanics of the game you're working on is the same
But instead of fan game, they would be part of a team where they can build a world together

[iron knoll]

Although I wouldn't be able to pay them right away, I would extend them a contract that states I will do so

And for the price we settle, and just to be clear, if would be the regular rate in the industry

[fleet tangle]

So yeah, you're asking a person making a passion project to work on your project pro bono with no guarantee of a return... you're not going to get people.

[iron knoll]

No no, not pro bono

[fleet tangle]

If you aren't paying them from day 1, it's working for free.

[iron knoll]

I was thinking more along the lines of paying them via crowdfunding

Or is that even worse?

😅

[fleet tangle]

You are not Star Citizen, you will not get 10 bajillion from crowd funding.

[iron knoll]

Hahahahahahahah

[fleet tangle]

And if you think you will, you need to hire people after getting the money.

[iron knoll]

Exactly!

Look

[fleet tangle]

I'm just not motivated enough to work for free for somebody else.

Promise of payment or not.

To be honest, you sound like every other guy who has a game idea and wants people to make it for him for free.

[iron knoll]

What I'm saying is, I want to make sure that I have a team rwdyto start working after we've completed the funding

First of all

[fleet tangle]

It just isn't feasable unless you have a solid game idea, publisher contacts, etc.

[iron knoll]

Second of all, I want to know what their rate is before launching a campaign

[fleet tangle]

And a large pool of hobbyists who have no experience and will flake out after 2 months.

[iron knoll]

How do you guys propose I approach the subject?

[fleet tangle]

You need to secure funding or have a reasonable expectation of funding.

You have neither.

[iron knoll]

How can I secure funding if I don't know what my team is going to charge for?

[fleet tangle]

Secure more funding than you need.

[iron knoll]

Before I can launch a campaign, I need to establish a budget

[night grove]

This is sounding a lot like you haven't ever actually shipped a game as part of a team

[fleet tangle]

If you want to secure good developers, expect £50-100k/year for 5+ years?

[iron knoll]

And to establish a budget, I need to know how each member is going to need

[fleet tangle]

What you need is to know how much a team member is going to cost based on current salaries.

[iron knoll]

Okay, okay

[night grove]

It isn't just salaries though. Equipment, dev ops, taxes, and a whole lot of other overhead

[fleet tangle]

Then you advertise for that job and start interviewing people.

(once you have the other stuff, yeah.)

[iron knoll]

Would people like sign up bonuses?
Just for equipment and software?

[fleet tangle]

You can probably get away with a github project and a locally hosted perforce or something for not much money.

People would sign up and instantly leave if you didn't pay them - and keep their bonuses.

[iron knoll]

Okay, so:
-Get all legal business documents (Done)
-Get concept and timeframe (Done)
-Get the money (Pending)
-Get contracts (Done, edit based on team's requirements)

Anything missing?

[fleet tangle]

Contact publishers

Once you have a game design document and such.

[night grove]

Do you have a vertical slice demo?

[iron knoll]

Why would I need a publisher when we can publish it as a our own?
I guess you mean for marketing purposes, but besides that?

Kickstarter

[fleet tangle]

Publishers make a living for a reason.

[night grove]

I wouldn't work with or fund anyone that doesn't have either A) An incredibly compelling vertical slice or B) An incredible impressive history of titles worked on and shipped

[iron knoll]

I'm also in a line of angel investors, but I'm skeptical of their intentions

[fleet tangle]

Intentions are irrelevant if they give you money when you have none.

As long as they don't demand 90% of profits.

[night grove]

I'll be looking into investment funding myself soon. I'm a little skeptical of angel investors. I've heard of lots of project (game and non game) sabotaged by short term expectations of angel investors.

They most often want equity stake, which means their #1 interest is in the company getting sold to a bigger company ASAP

[iron knoll]

For real

I want to thank all of you, and I really appreciate all of the advices you've provided

[night grove]

Friends and family may also be an option, though I'm skeptical of it

I've heard you want to divest your risk into OPM (other people's money) as soon as reasoanble for the project

[fleet tangle]

Friends and family aren't going to pay enough.

[iron knoll]

I usually don't mix with friends and family members

[fleet tangle]

And you don't want them to lose out if your project fails.

[night grove]

Don't forget the Epic Megagrant

[iron knoll]

Exactly

[night grove]

Ah

[iron knoll]

I've heard of it

But I'm not sure I'll be able to apply for it

[night grove]

Some investors require that you've tapped friend / family before they will invest

[night grove]

Worst they can say is no

I plan on applying lots of places when my vertical is done

[iron knoll]

How would I get a yes then?

That's the issue 😪

[night grove]

Are there any good indie developer accelerator programs?

[iron knoll]

I know that I've had a word with you guys in the past

[night grove]

I've seen a few that are all about bringing foreign talent into their country

[iron knoll]

And I showed you my game, and talked about the issues we had when we released it a year ago

It's 70% done, that missing 30% is finishing the fighting mechanics

And updating the character models

Map is ready

[night grove]

Is it terrible I'm leaning towards using Manny in my vertical slice?

[fleet tangle]

Couldn't you use a cheapo model off the marketplace?

Just so it isn't so basic.

[night grove]

I've bought a lot of models already tbh

Maybe 20 different packs?

[fleet tangle]

Nice.

Don't buy terrible ones? 🙂

Is the model something you are showing off ?

Then use manny?

If you have a character model selection or osmething, perhaps show off that system by changing models?

Oh were you the guy that showed the big monster moving through the city turning all the buildings into cubes?

Turn one of the city scene things that came with UE5 into destructables 😄

[deep copper]

turn lyra into a destroyable apocalyptic scene

idk license don't listen to me

oh cool

[fleet tangle]

Does your replication system deal with replicated destroyed bits, or is it all dealt with locally? (just the buildings themselves are told to explode certain areas and the clients deal with the fallout)

[iron knoll]

So...
Let's say I need programmers to finish developing the fighting mechanics of the game

The gameplay is similar to that of Naruto Ninja Storm, Dragonball Kakarot, etc.

How should I narrow the numbers for the budget?
1 person is enough to work in that alone?

[fleet tangle]

I guess the bigger bits get replicated and when they're small enough, the client deals with it?

Ah right. Neat.

Nice.

Is it a sort of voxel approach?

Cool

[night grove]

I have a neighbor trying to push me into NFT crap with this

No thanks

[slim atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqWle7DgMI

[fleet tangle]

Why am I watching this?!

[night grove]

Because you have a deep and abiding love for minecraft videos

Obviously

[fleet tangle]

Not really.

[edgy ice]

sometimes, you just wanna turn brain off

head empty, minecraft memes

[night grove]

Me either. 🤷

[slim atlas]

its insane

[cursive crypt]

Is an IQ debuff.

[deep copper]

give your brain to me, for safekeeping!

[edgy ice]

jokes on you

[deep copper]

i am not a zombie so it should be fine

[edgy ice]

im down to one braincell

protect the last braincell

[deep copper]

i do not know of any biological preservation methods

but i have heard, freezing helps!

so just putting that one cell in the freezer should be, pretty cool?

[edgy ice]

.

you went there

rofl

[gusty star]

man the epic intern positions are currently WFH/remote 🤔

tho you need a degree 😭

[edgy ice]

.

a degree to be an intern o.o

my college requires me to get an internship to get a degree

[deep copper]

it's okay ! but do check whether Farhenheit or Celcius

[gusty star]

eh they don't say directly that you need one but the school boxes have a red asterisk next to them lmao

[deep copper]

school right, just fill in any

any that you went to , ever

in case you didn't, home school counts?

[fleet tangle]

Just not Kelvin, because it's not a degree!

[gusty star]

the school selection box uses a pre-defined list and my school isn't on there >:U damnit ACAD (Now AUArts)

[deep copper]

aha! so they aren't looking for scientists, that would be too qualified for intern

[gusty star]

tho it is a real place lmao

https://www.auarts.ca/

[deep copper]

oof, just, oof

[gusty star]

and they teach design >_<

[deep copper]

what do they have on their? i am certain it won't be a complete list of every type of school

[gusty star]

mostly unis

probably has to do with the accrediation

[deep copper]

like, harverd etc?

[gusty star]

hmm i didn't check for ivy league schools

[deep copper]

it's remote so i am really not sure if it would be every uni in the world

that would be kinda weird to go through actually

[gusty star]

under the FAQ on eligibility:

We focus on individuals beyond high school with 0-3 years of formal working experience. Experience in either tech or gaming industries is preferred. This ranges from undergrad, grad student, PhD, and recent grads, as well as non-traditional higher education. We hire both current students and recent graduates within 1 year of their graduation.

Man it was such a waste of 20k credential wise to go to art school lol

I learned all of the things but dropping out in year 3 did not help me

[deep copper]

so either be a uni guy with 1 yr exp, or a normal high school one with 3 yr industry exp?

am i reading it right?

[gusty star]

something like that

[deep copper]

have i become too dumb recently or is everything just harder to understand now a days

...maybe i am just too tired

[gusty star]

Nah I get what you're saying

University is kinda a scam too

[deep copper]

i really don't like any education body that offers a degree of any sort, sure you got the degree but. yeah idk

[gusty star]

the govt. backing free student loans for everyone means Unis can raise tuition indefinitely, without any consideration for the overall economic enviroment. I'm sure in practice theres varyign amounts of actual fiscal management but some unis have def abused the situation

atleast in the US and Can

[edgy ice]

college in general is a scam, honestly. were it not for a paper that says "u no beeg dum dum", college offers very little that you cant get yourself

[gusty star]

and college textbooks are a good indicator of how bad it is lol

[edgy ice]

i learned more on my own research then through a professor

[deep copper]

specially true in Todays world

[edgy ice]

the only aspects of college ive ever used was some tutoring areas and the public services

library, access to science docs

comp labs

etc.

[deep copper]

i heard US has it really bad with prices, students go into debt after it

[gusty star]

https://www.macleans.ca/education/most-expensive-books/

according to this macleans article Design is the second most expensive subject by way of measuring average book cost

with Architecture in the lead

[deep copper]

imagine kinda just studying on your own because the material provided is just that bad, and whoever makes the exam questions makes them based on material you weren't even told about lol

[gusty star]

But I mean Cal Arts, RISD and a couple other high end design schools are all 50k USD/a year

and thats your competition -_-

[deep copper]

why is design expensive? is it too fancy?

[edgy ice]

@deep copper its less "not told" and more that US education has become full meta where instead of teaching concepts and ideas, professors are just teaching exactly what should be expected on the final exam

and instead of giving room to practice what you learn or have a good grasp on the concept

[gusty star]

Its closesly connected with the entertainment industry, and at the top percentiles it pays really well. Those professionals, when employed or contracted as teachers, demand pretty high salaries.

[edgy ice]

its just regurgitating memorized answers

[gusty star]

even Feng Zhu, concept art heavy weight, setup his own school in singapore

its a fast track, 1 or 2 year programs

[edgy ice]

this works for say....math, where there isnt much wiggle room to solve equations

[deep copper]

for a 3 year course i assume that's like a price of a house or something

[gusty star]

but its still 50k singaporean dollars a year

[deep copper]

for a 5 one it definitely should be

[gusty star]

ikr

I wonder what the cost of law school is at harvard

quick google tells me...

[deep copper]

yeah...

[edgy ice]

most subjects dont work with this kinda strict answer system

[gusty star]

$70,430 USD is for 2022-2023 for harvard

[deep copper]

that's kinda nice then ,, i hope

[gusty star]

In many ways yes, because you learn directly from working professionals unlike some schools where the teachers can't get jobs but still teach as a means to support themselves lmao

or the teachers have worked in the industry but not for like 5 years

[deep copper]

is harverd that good?

[fleet tangle]

Plus $35k for "expenses"

[deep copper]

a*

[fleet tangle]

You're looking at $110k/yr

[gusty star]

damn eh

[edgy ice]

this is ESPECIALLY true for a tech degree. the only class i paid attention to was a tech security fundementals class where exams were describing an environment, the type of hardware being used and the goals of a client and we were just told straight up "so how would you go about this"

[gusty star]

I wonder if the US army would pay for you degree at harvard, if you could get in, and if you served 🤔

frickin slow message

[edgy ice]

they wont, they offer you higher end stuff sure but no ivy league stuff

[deep copper]

so you do get some practical skills, alright

[edgy ice]

my little brother is in the marines and he basically said his pickings are slim as all hell

[gusty star]

and connections. its a lot of who you know honestly

same reason old money can be so valuable

beyond the paper value

c o n n e c t i o n s

[fleet tangle]

He should just focus on the killing

[deep copper]

i remember hearing about some music uni, very pricy, so students drop out by year 3, nearly all, because they already made the necessary connections

[edgy ice]

actually marines atm arent doing much

we are in peacetime so

specifically WE

[deep copper]

don't jinx it

[edgy ice]

europe isnt.

[gusty star]

probably Julliard honestly (in NY)

yeah and the marines are an expeditionary force

boots on the ground

[deep copper]

i wish i could recall names easily 😭

[gusty star]

so peace time they chillin

[edgy ice]

semi-correct

they are boots on th ground but marines in general do all the strong legwork of the millitary

[gusty star]

Interesting, TIL

[edgy ice]

marines also do shit like radar, tactics, vehicular stuff

you basically take an exam after basic and that(plus your basic scores) determines what you are eligible for

[gusty star]

rolling for cryptography

[edgy ice]

the reason you only hear about boots on the ground CQC spec ops shit is because the marines are also the most toxic peer pressured branch in the entire millitary

[gusty star]

tho honestly I'm probably too dumb for cryptography lmao

so fair

[deep copper]

i read that as cryptocurrency first, i have been brainwashed xD

[edgy ice]

my little brother skipped out on being a pog because he got convinced that being a grunt is the best thing ever

its the honorable thing, the thing with pride, blah blah blah

hazing so he takes the worst job

[gusty star]

damn 😦

gotta be tough to see as the older bro

[edgy ice]

when his scores were near perfect and he could have had a cushy pog job -_-

[gusty star]

pog = desk job basically? non-combat roles?

[deep copper]

okay that's more brainwashed than my crypto deal rn

[edgy ice]

person other then grunt

so yea

[gusty star]

the military: you will SWEAT and BLEED for AMERICA and LOVE IT

[edgy ice]

desk work, working on actual jobs

IT security, weapons systems, engineering

repair, etc etc etc

[deep copper]

the patriotism stuff in any place is always so, extreme, for soldiers

[gusty star]

basically one of the 1 million other specialized things the military needs to function haha eh?

[edgy ice]

oh its brutal dude

[gusty star]

beyond a fighting force

[edgy ice]

he got indoctrinated so hard

drank the recruiters kool aid

[gusty star]

ye the army be like that tbh

[edgy ice]

then drank the drill sargents kool aid

then drank the grunt vets kool aid

[deep copper]

this info is going into my "reasons to avoid army"

[gusty star]

the ww2 generation (the greatest generation) seemingly had different attitudes but I'm sure it was different during the war.

[edgy ice]

actually if you got in and survived basic(which btw is harder then you think.)

and had good scores

a pog job is super super easy

[gusty star]

ye basic is literally to weed people out haha

[deep copper]

war creates pressure and need for revenge stuff ig

[gusty star]

ye

[deep copper]

and defence

[edgy ice]

during WWII america was also hyper patriotic.

[gusty star]

ye

[edgy ice]

we had faith in the government and millitary and we did things for america

then nam happened

[gusty star]

defeating the nazis was seen as the greater good too

well nam yeah

[edgy ice]

and we realized just how wrong we are and its been on a downward decline.

[gusty star]

birth of counter culture

well the nazis were a legit bad guy, the west was just sailing on that high for too long i think lmao

[deep copper]

nam?

[gusty star]

seeing enemies in the reds

[edgy ice]

vietnam

[deep copper]

ah

[edgy ice]

this conversation isnt about patriotism being good or bad or whatever

[gusty star]

right right sorry, getting tangent-y

[edgy ice]

but when it comes to modern day millitary stuff

also discord is borking

SUPER hard

wtf

[gusty star]

it was slowing my messages too?

[edgy ice]

and repeating shit

[gusty star]

idk what its deal is

[edgy ice]

idk whats going on

[deep copper]

i recall a few other people i talked with today had wack repeating messages

[edgy ice]

but yea when it comes to modern day millitary stuff, its on a downward trend and most jobs are being phased out for machines and non-direct combat

from what i understand doing my research

the millitary is gonna phase out boot troops more and more and expand specialized jobs

[gusty star]

ye

[edgy ice]

IT people gonna make bank

[gusty star]

battle bots IRL

time to get into tech

[fleet tangle]

Skynet here we come.

[gusty star]

learn to code, live forever in the cloud

[deep copper]

i hope it all becomes a robo vs robo someday and we don't have to get risky military people, but that's really never going away from the way it's going

[gusty star]

the real problem is autonomous weapons platforms

ie hunter-killer drones that act on their own

its approaching Metal Gear levels of insanity

[edgy ice]

well actually theres a BUNCH of studies being done recently(within the last 10 years) suggesting we are becoming less and less war-based people

[gusty star]

ye

[edgy ice]

i mean, look at the russian invasion

everybody disliked that

[gusty star]

francis fukuyama used to argue that war was dead cuz democracies don't start wars against one another

[deep copper]

i mean, the general population, yes

[fleet tangle]

Only because we have bigger deterrents.

[edgy ice]

and countries are being very cautious about helping ukraine or stopping russia because we dont really want anymore war

deterrents or not

war is less and less on the table

it will be inevitable, i mean come on

as long as two men exist on this earth, someone is gonna want someone dead

[gusty star]

ye but cyber war and proxie wars still happen

russias backing al-assad in syria too iirc

[deep copper]

i was curious how internet would work with wars, but after watching the russia vs Ukraine internet blocking etc, it kinda made sense

[gusty star]

mostly denial of service and disruption

[edgy ice]

personally, my personal take

from what i know and what i have seen

[gusty star]

if you could hit another nations power grid? that'd be real bad

take them back 2 centuries

[edgy ice]

war in the next 50 years will become 90% cold, using service denials(corpos pulling out), assaults on their infrastructure, internet, etc etc

[deep copper]

so basically indirect suffering

[gusty star]

I wonder too at what point we'll see more PMCs like blackwater

[edgy ice]

its gonna be all cyber war and any hot battles will be mainly machine v machine with some humans in the way

either that OR

[gusty star]

since some corporations are literally bigger than countries in terms of economic size

and CEOs aren't known for ethics

[fleet tangle]

Some countries are just poor and small.

[edgy ice]

someone lets the genie out the bottle and we all die

weeeeee.

[gusty star]

Look at Mali

they kicked out the west to deal with islamic insurgents

[fleet tangle]

I'd rather not!

[deep copper]

look at me !

[gusty star]

and theres been 3 different 3-day mourning periods this year due to attacks this year alone

I remember in 2015 that jihadists were stealing french mining company equipment like dozers and backhoes to build fortifications -_-

in Mali

[deep copper]

attacks in mali or can?

[gusty star]

Mali

my message isn't sending

[deep copper]

it's okay, atleast your feelings are reaching me!

[gusty star]

Idk some countries are just too small to deal with some problems, like insurgency, which the US military has trouble dealing with even

[deep copper]

i sometimes really feel bad for small countries

a single issue can turn them to post apocalyptic world

[gusty star]

and then imagine if those insurgents / bad actors were ex-CIA and black ops, on 300k a year pay roll plus hazard pay

PMCs 😬

[edgy ice]

well insurgency is never going to be something you can solve

in ANY case

no matter how big you are.

[gusty star]

yeah fair

[edgy ice]

how do you fight an enemy you dont know is the enemy?

you cant reasonably kill everyone

[gusty star]

or who hides among the civilian populace

[fleet tangle]

Kill everyone

😄

[gusty star]

its kinda like the old issue with criminals and the police

[edgy ice]

and remember, every innocent death is more civil unrest

[gusty star]

where the police have to play by ALL the rules whereas the criminals don't

and theres asymmetry in that

[fleet tangle]

The police break the rules when it suits them.

[edgy ice]

^

and they have legal protection to do so.

[deep copper]

google says "Project Management Contract"?

[gusty star]

I guess it depends where, but yeah I tend to agree with you

[edgy ice]

Private Millitary Companies

[gusty star]

Private Military Company

[edgy ice]

@deep copper

[fleet tangle]

It's pretty funny in the UK, though. When ambulances speed through traffic lights, they have to pay fines.

[gusty star]

lmao

[fleet tangle]

Like regular road users.

[gusty star]

UK police don't even get guns!

come at you with a billy bat

[timber viper]

Africa is full of them

[edgy ice]

hottest take

[gusty star]

damn eh, all around conflict minerals and that?

[edgy ice]

the solution is not to take guns and power from people or police, the solution is better training and education.

guns are tools and tools need to be taught to use correctly.

[timber viper]

Its not 1800s so you cant just board a few regiment and invade regions 😄 Countries require PMCs

[fleet tangle]

The trouble with guns is, they're tools for killing.

[edgy ice]

sure sure, no arguments there

but there are countries with high gun ownership rates, they dont have the problems we have

its a lack of education and oversight

[gusty star]

Switzerland iirc

[edgy ice]

yup

GRANTED

[deep copper]

in that case, taking the guns away till proper guidance is in place sounds better to me xD

[edgy ice]

the swiss are a tiny country with a tiny populace

scaling is important to consider

[fleet tangle]

They're also pretty rich.

[deep copper]

i saw a video about covid vaccine being offered with incentive, and incentive was gun, like a few guns

[edgy ice]

but the best solution is to have better education and training, for all peoples who want to own a weapon.

and since a gun is a specialized tool, it should be treated as such

[gusty star]

If only, I bet you that sort of regulation is on a state to state basis and wheres the money to regulate

[timber viper]

Select the country with most individual armament:
1️⃣ Bangladesh
2️⃣ Micronesia
3️⃣ Principality of Sealand
4️⃣ USA

[edgy ice]

license, psychological reviews, criminal background check and a mandated semester of gun safety and handling

my personal belief

[timber viper]

Japan did that and they still managed to get their old president assasinated

[gusty star]

theres is seemingly no easy answer

[timber viper]

Abe Shinzo was very valueable for me 😔

Because of stupid cults

[deep copper]

that guy self made the gun, i mean, if he had the gun easily available maybe it would've happened earlier

tbf if you really want to kill, even a knife works, but guns just make things easier

[gusty star]

ye

idk about yall

but when i sit at a restaraunt

I always have myself facing the door

cuz growing up in sketch neighbourhoods... you always wanna see the door lmao

and whos coming in

[fleet tangle]

Is Sealand like Iceland.... but after global warming?

[gusty star]

you can become a baron of sealand... for a fee 😉

[timber viper]

its just a mysterious weird place where only 34 people live in it

[edgy ice]

for whatever reason the movie waterworld came to mind

lol

[fleet tangle]

Why do you actually need to be a baron?

[deep copper]

upscaled version of sea land

[fleet tangle]

It's totally not illegal to give yourself whatever title you want, as long as you don't use it for defrauding people.

[timber viper]

this felt like an anime for a while after reading it

[gusty star]

Its like an old man-made structure in the ocean that someone bought and has since offered people peerage thru lmao

[deep copper]

do hugs count as defrauding?

[timber viper]

Why would you live in a place like that

just why

[edgy ice]

theres a service where you can buy a bit of land in ireland

[deep copper]

that looks like a fallen bridge

[edgy ice]

so you can legally call yourself lord

i am Lord Wasabi Eyedrops

thank you very much

i own a full inch of land in Ireland

[deep copper]

yes m'lord, let's hug

[edgy ice]

https://tenor.com/uVPb.gif

[gusty star]

I'm just a lesser noble, I still provide taxes and levies

[deep copper]

it's a daily hug routine, tax for the space i occupy on that 1 inch land

absolutely worth it!

premium hug

[deep copper]

so i can hug you and you pass it on?

[deep copper]

so I don't die

if I don't die we generate more hugs because more alive civilians

[gusty star]

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-hugs-given-in-one-minute-by-an-individual

87 hugs in a minute is the world record

[edgy ice]

so basically a hug every 1.5 seconds

pretty impressive

[deep copper]

so 1 hug didn't even last a second, that's quantity over quality

[deep copper]

60 seconds, 87 hugs,

[gusty star]

hugging so hard mf'rs wanna fine me

[deep copper]

you are just that fine for hugging

[celest musk]

wasn't there a bunch of urban legends that they offer web hosting for all kinds of things...

[deep copper]

that doesn't look like a cloud to me

[gusty star]

itd make some good satire or parody to make a skit about a company introducing some product called RAIN powered by the cloud lmao

and other dumb obvious things

[deep copper]

on sealand lol

[gusty star]

lmao

[deep copper]

i am sure someone would make that, given enough time

!8ball rain rain go away

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Don't count on it.

[fleet tangle]

You should be thanking them.

Now you don't have to watch it.

[cursive crypt]

Is that thing still running? wtf

Soap operas are kinda nobody compared to some animes.

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSzFJMRrDQ

[unreal cedar]

final season part 4 (for real this time (we promise))

[empty sphinx]

i just had an unexpected visitor

[cursive crypt]

Kids finishing the show.

[empty sphinx]

nahhhh its cute

[glacial finch]

random question, what is intel optane memory ui?

it's a 'startup app' on my pc i just noticed. can i disable it or should i keep it on?

[empty sphinx]

its some "make your pc faster" tech

dunno the ins and outs

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000024018/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory.html

but if your systems supports it, i guess windows at some point installed the drivers for it

dunno if its a bad thing/bloat to have

[glacial finch]

ahh thank you, guess i better leave it as it is for now just in case. xD

[empty sphinx]

is it a laptop by any chance?

[glacial finch]

no PC

*desktop

[empty sphinx]

cos usually default drivers wont come with a "UI"

assuming ui ib the optane memory ui means user interface....could mean anything

[glacial finch]

it was a custom built PC tbf.

[empty sphinx]

custom built as in? you chose the parts and a store built it?

i mean i cant really see it being a bad thing

[glacial finch]

yeah, i guess it's probably some thing that must be benefiting it. i've never noticed it before, just saw it and wondered what it might be.

[empty sphinx]

i dont even know what the requirements are for optane support. i did some research into it a long time ago and saw some quips about it on linus tech tips....but i remember nothing

so it cant have been important xd

from small portions of my memory, i recall it being not bad, useful, but not the amazing feat intel were marketing it as at the time