ya'll have never heard of SMART goals have you lmao?
#lounge
gusty star
cursive crypt
--IQ;
gusty star
yeah that makes sense. I think downtime is as important as actual work
cuz burnout is real
and happens fast lol
cursive crypt
wouldnt it be a post operator?
IQ too low for that.
pearl elk
IQ too low for that.
so low IQ there is an Aura of less IQ
cursive crypt
so low IQ there is an Aura of less IQ
Is like... quantum. It happened before it was shown.
pearl elk
could be like a character from Heroes but they are so fail its Zeroes
cursive crypt
Where are the Ones tho?
gusty star
fair lol
I kinda just wrote down a list of changes when I was working on my last project (posted in the discord), so I had some idea of what the goal for the day was at least, but I'm not announcing this game for a bit so I needed some other way to keep track of it
I feel like you need some metric tho to track progress, even if its a simple formula
When I did National Novel Writing Month a couple years ago (NaNoWriMo), the whole 1667 words per day goal really helped me get down to writing a book lol.
50k words in a month is a lot
but its possible
cursive crypt
I fart daily. Maybe because of the oats on breakfast.
gusty star
🎶 beans beans the magical fruit the more ya eat the more ya toot 🎶
I feel that haha
the first few tasks are probably gonna be all coding
ballistics system
timber viper
i hate boards/tasks
gusty star
injury and dismemberment system
timber viper
i use them only when client forces me to
gusty star
theres so much shiet to think about and i just get overwhelmed if theres too much on my mind i guess
so i need to offload it onto paper memory xD
timber viper
for bugs i just put // @bug fix this idiot and next morning I find them by IDE
timber viper
for BPs I have to write it down to somewhere because its not easy to find comments 
i still do it
just write it to a blank page
ngl project management is very difficult
gusty star
yeah
timber viper
takes more time than programming for me
gusty star
its definently a skill in its own right
timber viper
i want to try visio but its expensive af
gusty star
I just never really used the techniques i guess
I thought a lot about process in terms of art production
like how to get from stage A to B, etc
but I haven't really worked on anything that couldn't be banged out in an afternoon, at least not in a self directed way
pearl elk
I kantban cuz Im not a mod
gusty star
except maybe NaNoWriMo? But it was fairly self contained as I was writing short stories and could basically bang those out no problem
lmao
cursive crypt
I kantban cuz Im not a mod
timber viper
i think PM tools only makes sense when you have > 3 members in team
cursive crypt
Does the cat counts?
timber viper
of course 🐱
cursive crypt
Need to find a cat then 🤔
gusty star
i think PM tools only makes sense when you have > 3 members in team
I plan to bring more people onto this project eventually but I need to save some $$$$$
so if i start using Kanban now, itll be easier in the future since its a common methodology
gusty star
Hmm is this feature* with Pro?
cursive crypt
This is literally UE slackers
timber viper
gusty star
cries in libre office
cursive crypt
Looks a bit noisy for mindmap
heavy palm
I really want to find a reason to use Obsidian but I have no idea what to do with it.
It seems so helpful.
cursive crypt
Issue with mindmaps usually is, they are tree graphs
And a bit limited on editing.
gusty star
mind maps are useful if you need to generate a lot of ideas in an associative way
used them in art school to come up with ideas
noice, seems like a good way to do it
timber viper
oh this is something i wanted use sooo much
but it doesnt open
probably some directx related win11 issue
i wanted to but had no idea how to provide logs etc. -- then I decided to give up
i could be productive by mistake
gusty star
hmm i better plan some time, to do some planning! /s
primal summit
better plan for that one
gusty star
can you plan for a planning sesh without pre-planning to plan your planning sesh?
primal summit
a meeting to assign everyone meeting planning tasks, followed by a meeting planning task review before the meeting
foggy path
been reading Peopleware lately
it's about managing the people aspect of software projects
including things like... The Process being a management insecurity thing lol
well, not necessarily, but if used in certain ways
gusty star
makes sense
I try to think of it as human capital, cuz then you can put numbers on somewhat abstract things
or assign economic value to it
timber viper
One day I'll meet some people in high places and be the "upper management" to cause disasters with the tricks I've seen so far
who cares meritocracy anyway
deep copper
hmm i better plan some time, to do some planning! /s
ProTip: the best plans for planning are made while hugging me
someone did an analysis of my name a while back
proud jay
kill middle managment
deep copper
it's so vague it could mean i use affectionate people, or i am a user of affection too
gusty star
e n g l i s h
iron knoll
I gotta ask...
mossy nexus
affection_ate_user. Jail time is called for
iron knoll
Is it possible to find a dev team that would be interested in working on a project if we made a Kickstarter Campaign?
Would the idea be too crazy?
mossy nexus
Best place is to try and ask in the various job sections. You never know your luck.
iron knoll
The problem with the Job Board is that there is no section where it would fall into
🤔
Maybe contract job?
mossy nexus
If you haven't built a game yet, have virtually no game mechanics etc etc Kickstarter will flop before you've began. KS should be used to boost your marketing campaign not to start your team.
😄
iron knoll
I started the coding, but I need help finishing
I know KS has a bad rep
But there are people who genuinely want to bring their projects to life
proud jay
step 1. Get money
step 2. Pay people that know how to do shit
mossy nexus
It's not KS that has bad rep, it's all the shit people try and pull
gusty star
ye crowdfunding isn't an inherently bad idea
iron knoll
step 1. Get money
step 2. Pay people that know how to do shit
It's easier being said than done
iron knoll
Run the maths of how much I earn and you'll understand why I'm looking for crowdfunding
proud jay
well no shit
iron knoll
I wouldn't be able to pay enough
proud jay
1 person income is not going to pay for another person as employee
sleek granite
We talking about Kickstarter here? Because I need advice aswell
iron knoll
step 1. Get money
step 2. Pay people that know how to do shit
Then you're aware it was unnecessary that you mentioned it right?
iron knoll
We talking about Kickstarter here? Because I need advice aswell
Kind off
sleek granite
Twitter
iron knoll
Shoot
sleek granite
I've thrown about 40k ish into a passion project
iron knoll
It's not KS that has bad rep, it's all the shit people try and pull
I know... I know...
mossy nexus
A successful crowdfunding campaign will require you to show off what you can do. It's like showing off to investors, and if you can't show it off it will fail.
solid hull
I've thrown about 40k ish into a passion project
Love the moose thing
iron knoll
Which is why I'm transparent with how we are planning to use the money
sleek granite
And because im kind of stupid, it didnt get very far even with actual talented freelancers
cursive crypt
step 1. Get money
step 2. Pay people that know how to do shit
Have a beer
iron knoll
A successful crowdfunding campaign will require you to show off what you can do....
Correcto!
proud jay
Then you're aware it was unnecessary that you mentioned it right?
you ask is it possible to find a dev team, sure, if you make money on kickstarter you can pay people
the hard part is going to be get the money
but your question wasn't how do I raise money
sleek granite
Surprisingly the hard part for me is making the game
iron knoll
you ask is it possible to find a dev team, sure, if you make money on kickstarte...
That's right, my question was if it would be possible to get a team
sleek granite
Love the moose thing
Why thank you very much
sleek granite
Well I recommend putting your own money together to get an MVP going
iron knoll
Fair enough
sleek granite
The same rules apply in all forms of funding. If you won't invest in your own project, how do you expect others to
iron knoll
Well I recommend putting your own money together to get an MVP going
Done, but uh... The project we originally started working on is paused
sleek granite
I get it man Im at thesame point
sleek granite
5 months of 0 progress
primal summit
sleek granite
And i dont have the funds to keep going
devout karma
have y'all heard (or care) about the recent Our Machinery news?
mossy nexus
I've saw many KS fail, some made by just one guy hoping to get a few hundred thousand so he could make a team... yeah not going to happen. One KS had a full team, made fantastic trailers etc.. it failed, and they didn't even want much.
proud jay
have y'all heard (or care) about the recent Our Machinery news?
what's taht
sleek granite
I've saw many KS fail, some made by just one guy hoping to get a few hundred tho...
This is what im desperately afraid of
I have a team with track record, decent visuals and a financial plan
But if I put it out there and it flops, i don't know how to face my team
devout karma
what's taht
the guys behind this neat little plain C game engine updated their license agreement to say yeah we're shutting down, delete your copy of the engine immediately >:(
iron knoll
This is what im desperately afraid of
Look, launching is not the problem
Just grow your socials and be active
cursive crypt
Every day engines are born and die.
proud jay
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NP2R1OnehfNzkYbnyYH8pl3tKUYT8g99/view?usp=drive...
you need to work on core mechanics first
devout karma
what's taht
also shut down their forums and discord server, scorched earth
proud jay
just walking around somewhere is not gonna get anyone interested in your game
except if you have insane art
iron knoll
you need to work on core mechanics first
That's where I'm stuck
gusty star
minimum viable product
iron knoll
I'm only making $600/month
proud jay
the guys behind this neat little plain C game engine updated their license agree...
damn, that's sad. Why not leave it open source if they don't want to work on it anymore 😭
deep copper
affection_ate_user. Jail time is called for
yo never noticed xD
proud jay
How do you rate our art?
concepts and environment look nice, I think biggest upgrade you could make is focus on lighting to set the mood
I'm not an artist though, don't trust me
gusty star
coders don't code, they just rehash each others stack overflow posts
proud jay
Reminds me.. is sdl alive
afaik yes
sleek granite
I'm not an artist though, don't trust me
Well artists cater to the market so your opinion is just as valid
proud jay
I've used it for some simple things over the years
proud jay
Support for jxl & qoi images... wtf are these even
smh, get up to speed on technology boomer
cursive crypt
shoo, you don't know what is this too
proud jay
that looks pretty good though
sleek granite
Yea but remember, we cheated by making this scene
iron knoll
the best we can realistically do
You have an interesting aesthetic, it's good
What about the gameplay?
sleek granite
it aint this pretty in real time
devout karma
Was that engine even big? 🤔
not sure how much this means, but apparently the people behind it worked on bitsquid and what would eventually become autodesk's (now defunct) stingray
gusty star
hacks
proud jay
its literally making 3d pictures on a 2d surface
aren't your eyes doing the same
gusty star
aren't your eyes doing the same
i guess yeah eh 🤔
proud jay
In terms of gameplay, we have no gameplay
wild to invest so much in art then
sleek granite
Basic locomotion, combat mechanics, hit detection
gusty star
damn
sleek granite
It isn't solid yet
gusty star
I'm planning a game
proud jay
always start with shit art prototyping your mechanics first
gusty star
and I'm coding game mechanics before making any art
proud jay
unless you're just making a hardcore story game
gusty star
cuz 3d takes fkn ages
iron knoll
always start with shit art prototyping your mechanics first
This
cursive crypt
not sure how much this means, but apparently the people behind it worked on bits...
Can't say much, but as with business, most projects die within 2-3 years. Probably there are good enough engines out there to replace that one.
iron knoll
After prototyping is done, you can update it later
devout karma
Can't say much, but as with business, most projects die within 2-3 years. Probab...
well sure, but the issue is existing projects that decided to use The Machinery by Our Machinery (yeah I know) are pretty much screwed
iron knoll
But mechanics are, IMO, singlehandedly the most important thing you need to get done
sleek granite
I feel like with games being a visual medium, there's no excuse for shitty art. Placeholders and blockout aside it could help determine market interest
Plus the art was a huge asset when it came to recruitment
gusty star
eh
cursive crypt
well sure, but the issue is existing projects that decided to use The Machinery ...
I think that if they have an older copy with different license, they may have keep that copy? Depends on their license.
gusty star
valheims graphics are big meh
sleek granite
Thats my view - BUT
devout karma
I feel like with games being a visual medium, there's no excuse for shitty art. ...
well the excuse is "this will not reach the public eye because we're prototyping" 🙃
proud jay
well, you're not releasing your prototype to people though
sleek granite
i have been proven wrong so far
gusty star
but its fun as fuq
sleek granite
so put down your pitchforks my brothers
devout karma
I think that if they have an older copy with different license, they may have ke...
the license had a clause from the start stating that they're allowed to change the license whenever and you must always abide by the most recent version of the license
proud jay
making your art too high quality from the start can waste lots of money, or even worse, influence your game to be a worse product
cursive crypt
the license had a clause from the start stating that they're allowed to change t...
eww
Well, makes you think next time when you decide to rely on 3rd party.
sleek granite
With the game's concept being so cut and dry and similar to other titles within the genre, I felt like art was the right way to go
boy was i wrong
devout karma
making your art too high quality from the start can waste lots of money, or even...
and according to at least one GDC talk, it makes for a less appealing pitch to a publisher
sleek granite
and according to at least one GDC talk, it makes for a less appealing pitch to a...
theres a GDC that states the opposite too
the "there is no excuse for shitty art"
is from a well known GDC talk
gusty star
Dwarf Fortress enters the chat
proud jay
but what point is that GDC talking about
devout karma
anything goes in the indie space tbh
devout karma
anything goes in the indie space tbh
like look at undertale
proud jay
why would I make high quality assets taking days to make, if I don't even know if the game I came up with is gonna be fun
cursive crypt
why would I make high quality assets taking days to make, if I don't even know i...
coz simping for art?
gusty star
I've been burned too many times by games that looked good but played like trash
as a consumer
devout karma
why would I make high quality assets taking days to make, if I don't even know i...
because you're making a walking sim 🙃
devout karma
that
cursive crypt
I sure can add 30 more
proud jay
well for pitching sure
you want to sell the whole idea of your game
which includes the look
devout karma
https://youtu.be/4LTtr45y7P0?t=651
that's the talk that talks about having final art in your pitch being a bad idea
sleek granite
the look and the hook
sleek granite
that's the talk that talks about having final art in your pitch being a bad idea
I must have buried that in my subconcious with tanks of copium
devout karma
I specifically remember the quote "or better yet, use engineering assets so no one can mistake it for final art"
sleek granite
Tho the art shown in the twitter is not final at all
there are alot of placeholders
deep copper
basically either make it super final or so rough it's just the idea
sleek granite
Even the big bad is missing all his fur cards
devout karma
there are alot of placeholders
then imagine taking it to a publisher and them dismissing it because it looks like it's the best you can do and it's not good enough for them
proud jay
that's the point he bring up right after the timestamp you linked 😄
devout karma
it isnt clear what is and isnt a placeholder
so use big ugly obvious gray blocks
proud jay
"should I hang myself?"
sleek granite
that's the point he bring up right after the timestamp you linked 😄
Me knowing i misunderstood and fcked up
"maybe death isn't so bad"
heavy palm
https://youtu.be/4LTtr45y7P0?t=651
Thanks for this
sleek granite
Eh no worries, you would've found it sooner or later down the game dev life
devout karma
Thanks for this
no wait keep watching put down that drawing tablet sir
sleek granite
So this is already good enough
according to the video
one picture to sell the idea
proud jay
it could be
proud jay
just make things that can show the vision you want to work towards
mossy nexus
Looks are mostly irrelevant. Gameplay mechanics and loops trump looks any day.
devout karma
well
proud jay
true, but looks can help you envision the whole picture though
devout karma
Looks are mostly irrelevant. Gameplay mechanics and loops trump looks any day.
not when you're trying to sell an idea
sleek granite
I think objectively both are important and the game you're making heavily influences which one takes priority
mossy nexus
A good looking shit game is a shit game.
devout karma
but the game doesn't exist yet
mossy nexus
Then all you are doing is selling art
devout karma
Then all you are doing is selling art
yeah exactly
sleek granite
art and story is the focus
gusty star
A good looking shit game is a shit game.
yeah but to the consumer
gusty star
Then all you are doing is selling art
to the publisher
sleek granite
Then all you are doing is selling art
I might have been affected by my regular job
gusty star
good art does help sell ideas
sleek granite
Art is a decent chunk of selling the idea, but yea actually prototyping a game sells the fact that you are capable of making a functioning product
gusty star
idk you sound pretty stressed and it makes sense considering the amount of money you've spent. Have you been taking breaks and ya know just sort of not-thinking about it to decompress?
devout karma
Art is a decent chunk of selling the idea, but yea actually prototyping a game s...
ultimately if you want this project to continue you're gonna have to shift focus massively
primal summit
but the game doesn't exist yet
Do you have a story?
Paper versions of the game mechanics and their interactions, if not coded?
A whiteboard flowchart of the gameplay loop at least?
sleek granite
The timeline was
6 months of market research and planning (concept art and analysis)
3 months of recruitment and onboarding (Deposits, legal fees)
2 months of actual production (Sprints, Daily meetings)
and now its been 5 months of break since i ran out of money
devout karma
Do you have a story?
Paper versions of the game mechanics and their interactions...
wait you're asking for real?
becuase lmao no I'm just the armchair advisor here
sleek granite
Yea i have a one for the vertical slice, story wise just the bare minimum of 2 pages
sleek granite
I got extremely unlucky with programmers if im being honest
from juniors who didnt know what to do, to seniors who bailed last second because of their jobs in sony and ubisoft
devout karma
this reads more like a UX flowchart than anything game-related
sleek granite
But alot of the blame falls on me in the end for not knowing enough about actual technical development
proud jay
just me or is this barely readable?
deep copper
maybe I replied to the wrong message
understandable , i also confused them for a while because similar colour pics
devout karma
life hack: you can hire someone to help you manage your project if you're bad at project management
sleek granite
heres our gdd content tho
sleek granite
life hack: you can hire someone to help you manage your project if you're bad at...
do you have a lifehack on getting more money to hire them
proud jay
bring me back to the days we had to write documents to get government funding
it was like 170 pages
😭
got the money though
heavy palm
@sleek granite do you have a goal you're trying to accomplish right now?
devout karma
do you have a lifehack on getting more money to hire them
be luckier 😔
sleek granite
Yes, a playable MVP
celest musk
just me or is this barely readable?
yea it's unreadable
devout karma
bring me back to the days we had to write documents to get government funding
this under NDA or something or can you talk about it?
because it sounds interesting
celest musk
xD 170 page forms sound interesting to you?
drop the idea that someone makes a whole game for you
specially when you don't have any experience in the field
proud jay
this under NDA or something or can you talk about it?
it was under NDA, but company is bankrupt now
sleek granite
drop the idea that someone makes a whole game for you
yea thats why im here
To learn everything from scratch and do it myself
deep glen
bring me back to the days we had to write documents to get government funding
reminds me of a project I did vfx for. they tried to do this and even added a new feature to the game for it. didnt get the funding, but the new feature stayed
celest musk
it was under NDA, but company is bankrupt now
did they spent all their funds on printer ink to request new funds?
heavy palm
sleek granite
i know all of you couldve made better use of the money i burned
heavy palm
I lost so much sleep but I couldn't put it down
broken sigil
@sleek granite I removed that image, lets just not joke about that
proud jay
ah man, didn't even see the image 😭
cursive crypt
was not interesting
heavy palm
Well, this server has lots of good resources to get started on learning. Grieve as long as you need to, take notes on your post mortem, ask productive questions but it's definitely time to start learning. @sleek granite
sleek granite
might ~~download~~ buy it
Yarr do i smell rum on ye breath
sleek granite
Well, this server has lots of good resources to get started on learning. Grieve ...
The first 12 hours in this server has been great
sleek granite
everyone has been helpful especially in the feedback and support vc
shoutout to @junior tide and @trim briar
Although I won't let the project die, it definitely is on hiatus until I get the resources I need
that being said, hows the quality of "unpaid gigs"
deep copper
ah man, didn't even see the image 😭
same 😭
proud jay
that being said, hows the quality of "unpaid gigs"
well, it's unpaid for a reason I guess
proud jay
idk though, never been in the channel
heavy palm
He just posted it more than once lol
proud jay
oh
devout karma
it's a different picture though
proud jay
I actually saw it then
heavy palm
I can't believe there's an unpaid gigs channel here honestly. It must get some positive use, otherwise it wouldn't be here?
deep copper
I can't believe there's an unpaid gigs channel here honestly. It must get some p...
it provides nice memes
sleek granite
yea but as soon as i got warned i took my foot off the pic sending gas pedal
devout karma
"foreground" is terrifying as a descriptor
primal summit
@sleek granite so, what's your background?
deep copper
law -> fine arts? what made you go this route, if i may ask
celest musk
law and marketing are quite related
sleek granite
Law was just a "screw it i dont know what to take"
Whereas finearts was more of a personal interest
deep copper
ah, that's extremely understandable
primal summit
Law was just a "screw it i dont know what to take"
that seems like a VERY odd choice!
sleek granite
Well law is useful asf when it comes to deterring idiots
and i can draft my own contracts and notarize em
primal summit
true, but not a typical route for the undecided
celest musk
and here you are...
deep copper
i also heard law has good money
sleek granite
I might be in the "basic bitch" category of game enjoyers
but damn
do i play em to death
deep copper
as long as you have fun :D
sleek granite
primal summit
might I suggest the torture that is devil daggers?
sleek granite
proud jay
devil daggers is actually fun for a while
soft night
proud jay
where do you find the time
heavy palm
I thought I played a lot of games.
deep copper
about 6k hours in league
250 days
primal summit
point made
heavy palm
Now I'm depressed.
cursive crypt
You either play or make games.
sleek granite
over the past 10 years, almost 10,000 collective ours on monster hunter games
gusty star
deep copper
actually, wouldn't you get bored doing the same thing for 6k hours
devout karma
man I remember back when I used to sink thousands of hours into games. portal 2 was my shit
gusty star
now If I could add the time spent on PS2, Xbox 360, PS4 and WoW into that...
sleek granite
so yea, Law was a great choice
heavy palm
You either play or make games.
It's still good to see and experience what others make though.
You either consume or produce I think is a better way to say that though, way more general.
devout karma
now I probably have 6k+ hours in vscode
celest musk
actually, wouldn't you get bored doing the same thing for 6k hours
you don't get bored of asking for hugs for weeks
deep copper
you don't get bored of asking for hugs for weeks
that takes less than a minute at once
devout karma
now I probably have 6k+ hours in vscode
and nothing to show for it 😐
cursive crypt
It's still good to see and experience what others make though.
You either consum...
Say it as you want. Time/resources is 100%, spread as you like.
sleek granite
actually, wouldn't you get bored doing the same thing for 6k hours
Well if we're speaking seriously. Even though the games are the same, the experience is different every single time
heavy palm
If you're playing games 100% of the time, your game isn't being made unless you manage to not run out of money to pay others to do it for you.
sleek granite
Oh no those hours, 2 years ago.
cursive crypt
Need MJ to make games.
sleek granite
i havent touched a game seriously in 2 years
no more than 3 to 4 hours a week of actually playing a game now
devout karma
If you're playing games 100% of the time, your game isn't being made unless you ...
you could also take a few hours off eating and sleeping 🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃
heavy palm
you could also take a few hours off eating and sleeping 🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃
Absolutely not me haha
sleek granite
Since i've played so many games to completions and beyond, i really thought i could try my hand at game dev
t r y being the keyword
primal summit
Now, some suggestions:
You play a lot of games, so you know what you like. Take the time to write down what you like and don't like. Start flowcharting the gameplay loop and game mechanics, to the point that it's all on paper, very detailed, and forget about a timeline. If there's a backstory, flesh it out. If there's a plot, make sure it's on paper.
sleek granite
It helped on the QA and UX side of things
primal summit
forget about a timeline and do some of the planning and engineering
gusty star
ye but playing games doesn't give you the technical skills needed to make games. Its like making movies, watching movies gives you a pretty good idea of what a movie should be like but theres still a bajillion things that need to be done to get from brainstorm to final cut and most of it is skilled.
sleek granite
I gave it a good try but ended up focusing on the wrong thing in the end
heavy palm
Learning about game design is fun.
sleek granite
I also present to you
gusty star
I gave it a good try but ended up focusing on the wrong thing in the end
It doesn't have to be the end here tho, one door closes another opens ya know?
primal summit
sure, but I don't know what that is, the text is unreadable and frankly it looks too short
sleek granite
its all smoke and mirrors, honestly there are only 5 people really putting in the work
But the investors dont know that
sleek granite
That i have a QA when i need one
proud jay
I asure you the art looks good
sleek granite
Rest easy, i didnt pay for people i didnt need
I just had them ready
i convinced them to be ready
sleek granite
I asure you the art looks good
Many thanks good sir
sleek granite
It doesn't have to be the end here tho, one door closes another opens ya know?
Im looking to pry that bi**h open with my bare hands now
devout karma
But the investors dont know that
hey yeah don't you have like, obligations now? 😐
sleek granite
Obligations that I still have 3 years to fulfill
So yea theres that anxiety inducing deadline
deep copper
t r y being the keyword
well it's a big step considering many don't even try 🤔
devout karma
😐
sleek granite
I told them 5 years to break even or your money back
devout karma
yeah I can't lie to you, you are in a world of trouble it seems
sleek granite
yeah I can't lie to you, you are in a world of trouble it seems
I would be if i treated the game project as a lottery ticket
heavy palm
I would be if i treated the game project as a lottery ticket
What's your next step?
sleek granite
Spending the rest of the year doing the technical stuff myself from scratch or finding someone to slowly collaborate with
any option that doesnt immediately need my wallet
celest musk
time is money tho
solid hull
ain't it the truth
devout karma
time is money tho
especially given the circumstance
deep copper
i am getting second hand anxiety
sleek granite
time is money tho
Remember kids, that aint the truth if you aren't making money anyways
sleek granite
i am getting second hand anxiety
glad i could help
gusty star
I mean you're a lawyer right? you understand what happens if you end up lying to your investors? becareful what you communicate to them, don't bring any new investors on board, don't spend any more money that you don't have, and start learning some C++
primal summit
Remember kids, that aint the truth if you aren't making money anyways
flip burgers for money to pay a part time expert?
sleek granite
I mean you're a lawyer right? you understand what happens if you end up lying to...
exactly what i intend to do
Also theres fraud and then theres failure
they know what they invested in
gusty star
yeah breach of contract is different for sure
sleek granite
but i also dont intend to let the project die
devout karma
alternatively, flip burgers to hopefully pay back the money you owe before you get sued into oblivion
deep copper
can burger flipping pay that off 🤔
sleek granite
their legal team would probably look at them like "you invested into someone with no game dev experience even though he explicitly told you he had no experience?"
devout karma
flip a lot of burgers
gusty star
lauras over here in 3022 playing 20D chess xD
deep copper
but shame is still deadly
you would be prepared for it atleast
devout karma
Im covered legally if im being honest
also a bad rap sheet for future projects
wait wrong reply
sleek granite
I cant share the details of the contract with you, but thats s o r t o f what i did
gusty star
yeah its bad for your reputation for sure, this project feels v make or break
deep copper
I cant share the details of the contract with you, but thats s o r t o f what i ...
yay lawyer stuff!!!
sleek granite
yeah its bad for your reputation for sure, this project feels v make or break
at least for the investors that know me personally
gusty star
idk you don't want some old dude who lost his life savings coming after you, esp. if hes got nothing left to lose lol
sleek granite
Thankfully im not absolutely smooth brained
I made sure to take the amount i can pay back
heavy palm
I can't imagine someone dumped a life savings into this project.
sleek granite
but the shame of the project failing
gusty star
well yeah probably not
im just saying
people get fkn crazy about money
esp. if its a dispute
sleek granite
people get fkn crazy about money
this is something you all need to take into consideration when looking for investors
I was lucky I didnt bring in any crypto investors
gusty star
Yeah I'm self funding everything
devout karma
gonna throw money at you cry about it
gusty star
but I live with my parents and am on disability (mental health stuff, woo canada!), so your mileage may vary significantly
deep copper
can i donate a few hugs?
sleek granite
so is every other crowdfunding platform
proud jay
what country lol
sleek granite
Good ol Malaysia
Pledging, getting the rewards and then going to the bank to issue a chargeback
ruined it for the rest of us
deep copper
what currency does malaysia have again, and how was it economically?
sleek granite
compared to the almighty dollar?
if you have a remote job that pays 500dollars a month
you would be earning more than most people
gusty star
500 USD?
proud jay
gonna buy some vacation homes in malaysia I think
gusty star
Whats like, you know, a bottle of water cost at a convience store?
gusty star
or like some street vendor food?
gusty star
damn dude
proud jay
how tf you spending 40k on a project if 500/month is high income
sleek granite
our fuel is the cheapest in the world i think
gusty star
inflation is fkn killing the west rn
deep copper
We use "Ringgit"
that sounds so cute lol
proud jay
4.2 what
sleek granite
idk how people label their fuel prices overseas
gusty star
wow
sleek granite
less
proud jay
here it's like ~1.90 atm
fleet tangle
Damn. It's like 2.5 euros per litre in the UK!
proud jay
good thing I get free fuel from my job
fleet tangle
Well, in London.
sleek granite
pros and cons here in malaysia
you get a shit wage but at least u can survive as long as you stay exactly where you are
gusty star
its 1.68 canadian per litre right now in CAD
deep copper
so if you flip burgers overseas remotely, you could be rich
sleek granite
how tf you spending 40k on a project if 500/month is high income
because none of the team members are malaysian hahaha
proud jay
but where did you get the 40k
sleek granite
Singapore, US, UK, Romania, Ukraine, etc
40k was from 2 different investors
one in the US and one locally
via nepotism
sleek granite
so if you flip burgers overseas remotely, you could be rich
not even joking, yes.
sleek granite
I see
Yes because using my money for a hail mary is suicidal
I can at least use my money as a buffer
gusty star
tho due to the low CAD vs high Euro, its only 1.28 euro per litre in Canada 🤔 big hmmm
we do produce oil tho
deep copper
i would say you used your lawyer skills to the max
sleek granite
degree has to be worth something when my ex-classmates are being paid a thousand US dollars a month
and thats after a year of internship and 2 years of shadowing
its the end times i tells ya
deep copper
worry not ! you know what you can do now, it will be okay as long as you do it sort of! or atleast you can reduce the loss
sleek granite
I saw someone saying they wanna buy holiday homes in Malaysia, tough luck bud China's got their greasy hands on all the property here
sleek granite
worry not ! you know what you can do now, it will be okay as long as you do it s...
I will do my best to retain my sanity
gusty star
IIRC its mostly rich chinese trying to flee the CCP and their capital controls
sleek granite
since its so cheap compared to global property prices, the bubble is a long way away
deep copper
how's the healthcare btw
gusty star
cuz theres tons of property on the west coast in Canada thats been picked up by Chinese buyers, and in the GTA
sleek granite
excellent actually
deep copper
i heard america got it pretty bad healthcare wise
sleek granite
its free
deep copper
does it work?
gusty star
America has some of the highest spending per capita in health care, and statistically some of the worst outcomes
sleek granite
got lots of private options too if you feel like bezos
deep copper
cuz theres tons of property on the west coast in Canada thats been picked up by ...
...gta?
deep copper
i doubt chinese care about religion of the country
deep copper
tell that to the uighurs
i don't even know how to say that xD
sleek granite
And since im a Malaysian born chinese
i think i have a decent leeway
-20 social credit
deep copper
no wonder law was a choice 🤔
sleek granite
no wonder law was a choice 🤔
choice
its 4am here and im more than slightly confused
deep copper
that's quite the riddle
sleek granite
Must be the legendary land of Poutine
solid hull
devout karma
it's 4 PM here and there's no running water 😐
deep copper
"..and other jokes you can tell yourself "
sleek granite
Hmm slightly back on game dev, if you're using UE to make games ofc, what're u all makin
gusty star
I'm on summer break till September; I was working on a western city builder called Tumbleweed, where you play as the mayor of a boomtown in 1850 california. But in Unity lol.
sleek granite
How're them stubbies treatin ya'
sleek granite
"..and other jokes you can tell yourself "
im currently doing that
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
AYTYYYYY'
solid hull
Hmm slightly back on game dev, if you're using UE to make games ofc, what're u a...
It's a squirrel and it gets a gun. It's all very cerebral.
deep copper
It's a squirrel and it gets a gun. It's all very cerebral.
are you working on a gameidea by manny
sleek granite
thats kind of racist out loud
hm
the mods already clocked me
aint takin the risk leavin that up lmao
solid hull
are you working on a gameidea by manny
!8ball did I steal your idea?
turbid spindleBOT
@solid hull, :8ball: My reply is no.
deep copper
you probably didn't get striked, the strike is carried by manny
sleek granite
Well isn't Manny quite Handy
deep copper
yeah, first strike, 10 mins, then 1 hr
sleek granite
what is this, runescape?
also 2000hours on that btw
but that i say with great shame
deep copper
yeah, first strike, 10 mins, then 1 hr
we also got a cooldown
30 days cooldown for each strike,
as in the strike goes away
sleek granite
ah i see
gusty star
Hmm do I open source my first game project since its on Unity, or do I leave it on the shelf big hmm.
deep copper
i have only got 2 strikes so far i think, maybe 3
sleek granite
i almost misunderstood that
i thought u could get one strike and then go insane for 30 days
like an absolute menace
deep copper
i thought u could get one strike and then go insane for 30 days
you can go insane twice within 30 days
gusty star
Yeah I didn't pay anything, so ye ye
sleek granite
you can go insane twice within 30 days
Im doing the maths
I did the maths
i dont know maths
deep copper
you go insane twice and get 2 strikes ! then it goes away after 30 days
rinse and repeat!
sleek granite
Im pretty sure the mods are
humans
that know a recurring douche when they see one
sleek granite
well we still have to be cautious
oop
i mean
01000010 01100101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110010 01100101 01100110 01110101 01101100
deep copper
you said you didn't know math!
sleek granite
do you see a maths symbol dear sir
sleek granite
those 3 lines made my brain so smooth
gusty star
I went onto my code academy account
and somehow I was done most of the c++ course? dafuq when
i remember nothing
deep copper
01000010 01100101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110010 01100101 01100110 01110101...
"be careful"
sleek granite
it'll deflate at the slightest touch
sleek granite
i remember *nothing*
Vegas was wild
Screw it, I'll make a quick mobile moba prototype
and im done
game dev is so easy
sleek granite
Multiplayer is just a tick box away
deep copper
01000010 01100101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110010 01100101 01100110 01110101 01101100
sleek granite
yes i will be
01110010 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100110 01101100 01100001 01100111 00100000 01100100 01100101 01110100 01100101 01100011 01110100 01100101 01100100 00001010
deep copper
01100001 01100010 01101111 01110010 01110100 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110010 01110100
it feels like a troll tbh, but as long as it works i suppose
sleek granite
01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100100 01110010 01101001 01101100 01101100 00001010
this is probably what most people think dev servers look like
when in reality it looks like
deep copper
they all look kinda blue
deep copper
01100100 01100101 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101 00100000 01101101 01100101
sleek granite
now this i got caught
hexadec
for real for real though, anyone wanna make a game together
I can do literally anything and everything else but the actual programming
for now.
you want funds? done, you want publisher relations, lemme call up ma boi from RE:Legend real quick
you want excel sheets showcasing market research and competitors? eeeezz
a well managed LLC with all the legal shizzle dealt with?
i gotcha
Malaysia*
AC is cheap
gottem
gusty star
Eh Canada legalized marijuana, hard to pass that up hehe
sleek granite
Eh Canada legalized marijuana, hard to pass that up hehe
its legal if you dont get caught
everythings legal
gusty star
Its way less stressful if its not illegal xD
sleek granite
the thrill only adds to my pleasure
aint much better here actually
death penalty for users and distributors
t h r i l l
deep copper
that explains your situation xD
sleek granite
i mean u wont get gunned down in the streets but you'll be paraded and executed
for smoking a leaf.
deep copper
parades are nice
sleek granite
If you live in the real world, you know that most of us buy it from the police anyway
New Zealand is just warmer UK
so yea Japan for sure
N e w Z e a l a n d I s J u s t W a r m e r U K
dont make me repeat myself
gusty star
Eh either would probably be hype ngl
sleek granite
at least the culture in Japan is
"substantial"
New Zealand? I mean if you wanna hit up Auckland for some used needles
deep copper
.. in terms of needles or
sleek granite
I would go for Japan, been there 3 times and I still look forward to when I have the time to go again
New Zealand, one and done.
I wont admit im a weeb
but i honestly go there for the food
deep copper
maybe you can become one while you go there !
sleek granite
and its kinda weird in a good way when you see giant anime girls plastered on skyscrapers and public transport
its like a theme park
gusty star
lmao
sleek granite
nah its ingrained in their culture
tattoos = yakuza
yakuza = trouble
people = dont want trouble
yakuza = dont want foreigners
deep copper
just hide the tattoos with anime stickers
sleek granite
if the place you're going to is owned by anyone over the age of 40 then you probably wont be able to go in
sleek granite
just hide the tattoos with anime stickers
actually a giga brain idea
holy shit
its so good
deep copper
if it's on a building it's fine on you
sleek granite
if it's on a building it's fine on you
what're they gna do? refuse a building?
deep copper
what're they gna do? refuse a building?
hide that with tattoos i suppose
sleek granite
sleek granite
in all honesty tho unless u have swastikas or stuff like dragons, koi fish or hanyas
u should be fine
deep copper
just call everyone strong aniki and you are yakuza
proud jay
do yakuza look up to anakin?
sleek granite
all of them do
deep copper
gotta ask laura
sleek granite
they all have a framed picture
foggy path
afaik the tattoo thing is very real
it has become more accepted in general at least if it's a smaller tattoo, and if you're obviously a foreigner
but it's still a thing
deep copper
do you look foreigner enough? then it's safe
foggy path
it probably also depends on region... tokyo most likely will be much more accepting of it than beppu or something lol
sleek granite
forget about shops refusing you, i would be afraid of people tailing you
foggy path
Unless you look like a freak they probably won't really refuse you except at bathhouses and such
deep copper
just put anime stickers, way Safer
foggy path
Just watch Thermae Romae on Netflix to learn all about it
sleek granite
Just watch Thermae Romae on Netflix to learn all about it
my brother
the plot is "this must be the coincidental european person i was expecting today"
its an anime series about a roman bath house architect that gets transported to modern japan
he then proceeds to steal their technology and take credit for it
deep copper
that's an interesting concept
foggy path
Yeah it's pretty fun
sleek granite
so its just an animated biopic about T.Jefferson
its barely an anime
its just the art style
deep copper
just old bathing men
sleek granite
stop it you're making it sound like an anime again
gusty star
foul, no, two foul!
topaz depot
🤨
deep copper
priorities
sleek granite
Adults that look like minors*
topaz depot
I hope you mean the romantic minors in Music!
deep copper
Adults that look like minors*
5000 year olds
sleek granite
Ancient relics that look like minors*
gusty star
mental gymnastics to justify pedophilia*
sleek granite
Fate is just necrophilia with extra steps
topaz depot
this lounge is more NSFW and worse than actual NSFW communities in discord
sleek granite
Bleach is a reverse isekai
foggy path
this lounge is more NSFW and worse than actual NSFW communities in discord
I don't really see a lot of nsfw here
my image of sk0g
deep copper
all because you wanted to eat food in a weeb place while being covered in tattoos
sleek granite
24-hour cinderalla up in here
i replied to the wrong msg
zomg knows
or you could go the other way
and just get absolutely tatted out of your mind
deep copper
just wear a full sleeve thing
sleek granite
ta moko kinda vibe
foggy path
just paint your skin
foggy path
you can go ganguro style
sleek granite
complete the puzzle
deep copper
r*
deep copper
get them on your face you pussy
we have a automod here that calls mods watch out!
foggy path
can't tell from under all this
turbid spindleBOT
:no_entry_sign: sk0g#9853 was banned.
sleek granite
or some subspecies
foggy path
Oh dear
deep glen
thats one
sleek granite
wuuuut
deep copper
no idea , i wasn't finished reading everything
foggy path
Oh wait maybe it was the anime child fiddling things he talked about :p
sleek granite
i think my words might have alerted a mod which then made the mod check the msgs
deep glen
seriously wtf are you people thinking discussing that shit
proud jay
wasn't reading chat for 10 min, missed all the drama 😭
foggy path
lol
it's not like he was really saying it was cool, just a weird opinion on anime I guess :P
I mostly ignored it because I've heard it all before and didn't want to start arguing about it lol
turbid spindleBOT
:triangular_flag_on_post: Ben.Lee#1458 received strike 1. As a result, they were muted for 10 minutes.
deep copper
he didn't mean it but i can see why it can get weird without context
gusty star
idk man pedophiles pull all sorts of shit
turbid spindleBOT
:triangular_flag_on_post: TedDraws#0648 received strike 1. As a result, they were muted for 10 minutes.
proud jay
🔨
deep glen
im seriously so pissed im considering banning everyone who even vaguely participated in that convo
heavy palm
Jesus Christ.
Anyway!
tulip orbit
I missed something apparently
heavy palm
Red pandas are always welcome
deep copper
i didn't know they had such thick tails
heavy palm
I gave my hamster a larger living space in a 120 qt container. Seems to be enjoying himself.
Not a red panda, but still cute.
proud jay
just paint it red lmao
sleek granite
First of all, I apologize for breaking rule 6. I will no longer engage in such deplorable behavior
proud jay
some say the B in Blue Man stands for Banhammer
broken sigil
I have a feeling all my animals are slightly messed up in the head
My parrot has the cage open all day and doesn't even consider going out
It used to stand on my cat and the cat didn't even blink (that cat died 🥲 )
I had a guinea pig (looks like a hamster), also had the cage open at all times and it never went outside it
Also that same cat used to go in the cage and hang out with the hamster thing lol
proud jay
are you sure there's not like neurotoxins all over your house making your pets unable to move
would explain your low heart rate as well
sleek granite
My hedgehog jumped off my balcony and survived
then proudly walked into a swimming pool
broken sigil
Nah someone poisoned him, survived with some damage to the nervous system and the brain and it died years later from a stroke as a result of that
yep, none of my cats had ever had a happy end
heavy palm
Please
gusty star
rip shadow
broken sigil
They learned from the best 😅
heavy palm
no more
sleek granite
Nah someone poisoned him, survived with some damage to the nervous system and th...
we got an epidemic here in Malaysia where people poison random dogs on the street as well as deliberately throw poisoned food into peoples houses
its messed up
a new article at least once a month
deep copper
and i was not involved!
broken sigil
we got an epidemic here in Malaysia where people poison random dogs on the stree...
I even know who did it but I don't have enough proof to do anything about it which kinda sucks
Police won't do anything about it
sleek granite
the most recent one was poisoning at a luxury dog park
broken sigil
Ok yeah lets change the topic lol
broken sigil
It was meant to be happy story about my messed up animals lol
broken sigil
I like this theory 😅
I do have an even more creepy pfp that is probably not sfw enough to use here lol
sleek granite
Im at the edge of my seat @broken sigil
solid hull
I do have an even more creepy pfp that is probably not sfw enough to use here lo...
Oh no, not scary squidward!
broken sigil
what kinda games you play/make
or use UE for
lotsa uses for UE
I mostly play Apex (haven't played it in a while)
Rocket league
Now recently played Stray and just started Horizon zero dawn
As for UE I can't share much since everything is under NDAs lol
But I kinda specialize in custom engine tools, physics systems/simulations, bit of gameplay stuff and recently been doing some research on machine learning and AI
sleek granite
Great stuff
broken sigil
I kinda want to hear it lol
sleek granite
I hope you enjoy Horizon more than I did
broken sigil
My research doesn't include MJ if that's what you mean 😅
sleek granite
the story carried it for sure
broken sigil
I hope you enjoy Horizon more than I did
I've been loving it so far
I've been playing competitive stuff for like the last 7 years non stop so I'm finally playing stuff just to relax for once lol
ah that's my catgirl angel research, that's different
gusty star
I've been loving it so far
I've been playing competitive stuff for like the last...
if you can get a few friends together, Valheim is definitently worth the time
tho co-op multiplayer is where its at in that game
sleek granite
if you can get a few friends together, *Valheim* is definitently worth the time
its stressful as hell though
dont lie to him
broken sigil
I watched it on twitch, it does look quite cool
gusty star
eh hes a competitive player he'll be fine
its relaxing sometimes
but it can be as stressful as anything lol
sleek granite
we must be playing different games
because i swear to god not one night goes by without a damn invasion
gusty star
I watched it on twitch, it does look quite cool
its very fun, esp if you like RPGs or open world or building things (a la minecraft).
sleek granite
its worse than getting pked in wildy
gusty star
fair lol
sleek granite
i saw fortnite
broken sigil
sent by accident
sleek granite
you cant lie to me
broken sigil
Still typing shhh
In my Fortnite days I was this 👌 close to qualifying for the world cup with a friend
In rocket league I'm GC, which is like 1-2% of the whole player base
And in Apex before I quit I was getting to high Diamond/master so I can handle some difficult/competitive stuff 😅
Like how my achievements in life are high ranks in games lmao
sleek granite
Ah yes - Blue Man, rate my first ever - bad decision - money pit - anxiety inducing game dev project
gusty star
but hes played it since release i think? idk
sleek granite
Twitter
broken sigil
but hes played it since release i think? idk
Oh I've been playing it way less, maybe 2 years
3 max
gusty star
Oh I've been playing it way less, maybe 2 years
Damn dude, thats even more impressive imo
sleek granite
I am shamelessly looking for affirmation or advice - either one works
gusty star
the only thing im top 3% in was duolingo a year or two ago xD
proud jay
the only thing I'm top 3% in is disappointing my parents
sleek granite
the only thing I'm top 3% in is disappointing my parents
you're still top 3%
broken sigil
https://twitter.com/PMythStudios
Oh I like it, looks cool
Gives me resident evil/dark souls vibes lol
gusty star
lmao
sleek granite
Oh I like it, looks cool
Gives me resident evil/dark souls vibes lol
Thank you, its a shame its stuck in limbo right now
broken sigil
I'm also extremely picky with the equipment I use, like mouse, mousepad, mouse skates, etc... lol
sleek granite
I came here to develop my game dev skillz
and i received a strike on the first day
WHICH WAS FAIR.
no sarcasm.
As long as you had an influence or made an impact on someone else
I would call that an achievement
gusty star
i once got all the achievements on LA Noire, that was my finest hour ofc
foggy path
My greatest gaming achievement is being only a second slower than a professional GT3 racing driver in iRacing :p
gusty star
had to replay each mission like a billion times tho
sleek granite
I hunted a Nergigante with a longsword in 3 minutes
So I got that going for me
Just in case the name is too spicy
here is definite proof im not making up names to be a menace
gusty star
monster hunter or something?
sleek granite
Yea
foggy path
sounds like you're a nerd gigante 👉 😎 👉
sleek granite
Im currently making a bloodborne X Monster hunter title
proud jay
bloodborne is lit, monster hunter is shit
sleek granite
I put the last purchase of Monster Hunter Rise and the DLC under "company expenses"
"R&D"
proud jay
time to call the tax man