lounge

[terse wasp]

It was like...the only redeeming thing for the game 😅

[cursive crypt]

Aww... That kinda nice

[deep glen]

there is currently a (mediocre) anime airing where the MC basically uses some blueprint/node-like system to combine magics.

also kinda interesting idea for magic-based gameplay

[proud jay]

girls can't be programmers smh

[terse wasp]

Two Worlds 2 had my favorite magic system in any game. I really want a good magic game. Most games really do some simple magic stuff 😭

[deep glen]

seems eyes gotten an improvement

yea, I can see how playing with magic in that game would be a lot of fun.

[terse wasp]

I would make it myself - but I'm a dumb dumb with vfx. Stuff is confusing yo' (and I suck with art)

[pearl elk]

wouldnt that be Four Worlds 🤔

[soft night]

dark angels

[gusty star]

this idea makes me think of Spellbreak, albiet probably on a more complex scale as SB is fairly simplified (unfortunately SB is also dying, as blizzard bought the company and rolled the dev team into Dragonflight lol)

[proud jay]

lolwhat

[deep glen]

O_o

[proud jay]

kinda sus

[pearl elk]

we're doomed

[night grove]

Hmmm... I guess I'm a girl? News to me

[proud jay]

do you also return 5 just to be random?

[night grove]

haha I didn't see that part

No I return 4 to be random instead

[pearl elk]

I must have misunderstood the post because isnt the entire right code redundant?

[night grove]

I assumed it was talking about the book comments

[proud jay]

no it actually functions, as long as a != b

otherwise it's 5

but also the else if is very sexy

[night grove]

Literally just a minute ago labeled my Material Function output as 32 bit float. Remaining lifetime of the piece (if broken or repairing). Minimum value is 0 (never negative).

I'm like... I write too many comments. Brain must be mush rn.

[proud jay]

future brain will thank you

[night grove]

All the low level bit shifting, bit alignment etc is annoying to me

Aligning consts between HLSL and C++ is also a PITA

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kabouter-wesley-kabouter-wesley-zeker-mijnheer-zeker-pita-gif-18362986

[night grove]

And my material still doesn't work because something mismatches between HLSL and c++

[pearl elk]

{
  return (x < y) ? x : y
}``` pretty sure this was valid code even in 2016

[proud jay]

pretty sure the point of the post is not to be good code

[pearl elk]

what is the point? to pit the sexes against each other in an idiotic way?

[proud jay]

I think it's a joke

[pearl elk]

pretty sure I know girls who could out write me in terms of sort functions

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/wooosh-dumb-gif-18787851

[pearl elk]

yes well call me crazy but I like programmer jokes to be functional

perhaps a joke for non-programmers hence the comments

[proud jay]

this could possible be photoshop

seeing as karlie kloss is a model

[night grove]

Meanwhile, here is the results of my awesome HSLS rotation!

[pearl elk]

    {
        return x ^ ((x ^ y) & -(x < y));
    }

[deep glen]

how are you trying to rotate it? @night grove

[proud jay]

looks good

ship it

[night grove]

SHIP IT!

[pearl elk]

I think the princess is in another castle

[night grove]

Long story short, I botched it on multiple levels

Slightly longer story, currently doing my quat compression wrong

[deep glen]

any reason you arent using rotateAboutAxis?

[night grove]

Also, quat rotation in material is bad. Going to be switching to axis of rotation + angle so I can fix the nromals

[proud jay]

I think this was the original tweet, so pretty much everything is photoshop https://twitter.com/karliekloss/status/697837478141632512

[night grove]

Jinx! Just saying I'm switching to that

[deep glen]

https://youtu.be/qJzOzvROnkM?t=73 :p

[proud jay]

MotherFucking_Luos

[deep glen]

triggering the bot again, huh

[proud jay]

it is my duty

[night grove]

Nice, will check it out a little later

Even with rotation axis + angle, I'll still pass the data in as a compressed quat

[deep glen]

showed that about an hour ago so had it open still

[night grove]

It's easy to go from quat to angle / axis

[deep glen]

its a function I made, that is all

[still thicket]

amogus

[spice viper]

damn so VRC adding EAC and the community is super mad about it steam reviews are dropping people mass canceling subscritions

their servers is a dumbseter fire rn

[night grove]

VR chat?

VRC?

[spice viper]

they had to disable reactiosn cuz they got so many dislikes

[spice viper]

ye

also their new eac stuff has broken using the unity sdk'

cuz when u try to launch a test instance of th egame to test ur worls the anticheat kicks u

so i cant even work on my world rn sense i cant test my code

[night grove]

EAC getting in the way of mods?

[broken sigil]

Yeah, it's a lot better

[spice viper]

ye

[night grove]

Why would they care to add any form of cheat detection to VR chat?

[spice viper]

ans most of the mods fix the game issues cuz the devs wont

[night grove]

Isn't it mostly a social platform?

Who cares about cheating?

[spice viper]

ye but has a modding communuty do to the devs not fixing all the performance and security issues

[night grove]

I only used it briefly, so I'm a bit uneducated

I was pretty sure their lifeblood is the modding scene

[spice viper]

the game is super unoptimized and buggy

[night grove]

So I'm not sure why they would do anything to harm that

[spice viper]

the devs balemd mods for all the secutiry problems

[night grove]

Well it's unity so.... surprise!

[spice viper]

ye

[night grove]

What security problems are they concerned about?

[spice viper]

unreal would be better for a VRC game

[night grove]

lol

[spice viper]

acccountnhacking getting other clients ips

then there are also crashes

[night grove]

Concerns about security => Lets use Unity!

Does not compute

[spice viper]

🤣

[trail wedge]

how about a VCR game?

[spice viper]

wat VCR stand for

[night grove]

It's quite sad most the VR dev scene is on Unity

I really wish there was a larger group using VR so it got more dev attention from Epic

Chicken and egg problem I suppose

[spice viper]

unreal or godot i feel, would be better engines for a game like VRchat

[night grove]

haha. ouch

Is Godot VR any good now?

I looked at it a couple years ago and it was not ready for a commercial game.

[spice viper]

kinda

i dont think its fully there yet

[night grove]

I was really put off with the "community management" skills of the main dev working on the VR on Godot

[spice viper]

ye i think godot 4 willl be pretty good for indi stuff but for bigger projects unreal will still be king

[night grove]

He seemed more interested in the "shiny new feature" than getting a reliable VR framework

But again, this was a couple years ago, a lot could have changed

I was trying to be diplomatic on my labeling

[spice viper]

also unreal will handel all those weebs anime avatars with millions of polygons and sussy physics simluation better than unity or godor

[night grove]

Basically I reported bugs and he told me to bugger off

I even offered to help fix them

Then it got heated... I decided the only winning move was not to play

[spice viper]

ye theres some dev drama with godot

[night grove]

Same story with Unity tbh

I don't know about PRs, maybe if you have a source license?

[spice viper]

bug reports but not PRs

[night grove]

But you can submit bug reports with test projects... that they never look at or open.

Works on my end!

XD

Oh I see

That's almost worse than ignoring it

[spice viper]

main thing for me godot has over unreal is running on lowend hardware

and also beijg easier to ad mod support

[night grove]

This is true tbh

[proud jay]

4 cm

[night grove]

If I were doing a 2d game, I would 100% be on Godot

[spice viper]

u can run godot editor on android now

also works on the pi

[night grove]

Godot is a lot lighter than both Unreal and Unity

[spice viper]

im using UE on linux rn

[night grove]

If you need a fairly low tech game it would be a good platform

[proud jay]

ah so you already hate yourself

[night grove]

You would lose a LOT of engine features though

[night grove]

How did you know?

[spice viper]

main prob i have with UE on linux is it only works on devices with deticated graphics

[night grove]

I hate seeing other people. Especially that idiot I see in the mirror

I also hate shifting bits around

@sand oxide Goddess save me!

[night grove]

WHAT!?

[timber viper]

Idk what grape is

grapes are not real

take your pills

[deep copper]

the grapes are pills

[zinc matrix]

[deep copper]

you need to rest

this often makes me realise how delicate our world really is

[night grove]

I legit was forced to use Mac for Unity development at one company because the executive staff thought the devs should use the same hardware as the consumers

(Mobile games)

Yeah

[deep copper]

mobile unity consumers use mac?

[spice viper]

UE on linux still pretty buggy but its gotten much better

few years a go it was way worse

[night grove]

No their main target was iPhone users, so naturally that meant all devs should use apple products

[deep copper]

ah

[spice viper]

did you heard tho unreal now has prebuilt binarys for linux

so no more building from source if u dont want to

[night grove]

Does Fortnite run on Linux?

[spice viper]

no

splitgate which uses unreal has linux support and it runs rly well

[timber viper]

why linux

[spice viper]

cuz i like the penguin

🐧

[terse wasp]

I believe that Laura really really really wants Linux to work - after all, she does seem to test Linux things with UE often enough.

[timber viper]

the one who favors C++ and arch linux over everything?

[night grove]

Then you get older and realize all that matters is paying the bills

[spice viper]

linux runs so much better on my computer too

[deep glen]

Erebel (moderator) is part of the team that created splitgate.

[spice viper]

like on windows i was having lots of frame dips

[timber viper]

I wish that game was also marketed enough

was quite an alternative to halo infinite

[spice viper]

hasnt crashed for me

jsut UE turns it off on kde

[deep glen]

they had 600k players in the early days when it just launched

[terse wasp]

Apparently they got like 100 million in funding. I don't think they need marketing 😅

[night grove]

Running your end product on Linux is different than developing on Linux though

[spice viper]

split gates a pretty fun fps

[terse wasp]

(I saw a job post from them awhile ago and they mentioned this)

[spice viper]

its like halo and portal had a baby

[timber viper]

I played in 2021 and found no online players

was always shooting me to a room full of bots

[terse wasp]

I played when it released - was fun

[spice viper]

i was playing the game till rly late last night lol

[timber viper]

its halo infinite with portal 2's portals

[spice viper]

also got cross play so i can play with my xbox friends while on linux

wish the game had mac support tho

so i could also play on my mac too when im not at home

[terse wasp]

Eh - I'd prefer game devs not support mac personally

[timber viper]

asking linux support is fine but why mac

[terse wasp]

Apple can f right off

[spice viper]

apple 🖕

[timber viper]

did you call your favorite platform silly?

c64 would feel betrayed

[spice viper]

ye i constaly complaine with a few others inapple discord about apples gaming support

[still thicket]

why do people still use linux

[spice viper]

main reason i got the mac was for the arm processor

[spice viper]

cuz it best os 😎

[still thicket]

no

[terse wasp]

#lounge message

[timber viper]

only valid part is "not microsoft" but its not enough on its own

[night grove]

TBH, "Not Microsoft" was a better answer a decade ago

They've changed a lot

[terse wasp]

The HDMI port on my gpu kicked the bucket today. I'm now down to being a 2 monitor peasant 😭

[spice viper]

for me gaming on linux way better than windows all my games run better even if they dont support linux

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/Luos_83/status/1551559471087976448

Yoeri -Luos- Vleer (@Luos_83)

Dear John,

Go f**k yourself,
Sincerely, Yoeri

Twitter · Jul 25, 2022, 1:26 PM

[still thicket]

ladies
do y'all have google accounts

[spice viper]

ye?

[still thicket]

that is microsoft

[terse wasp]

What

[spice viper]

wat

[still thicket]

google is microsoft

[spice viper]

wdym

[timber viper]

max confusion level reached

[still thicket]

or am i thinking of something else

[night grove]

what?

I thought apple was bananas?

[spice viper]

i thought apple was fruit

[still thicket]

fruit is macrohard

[timber viper]

make yahoo great again

[spice viper]

searX gang

[timber viper]

idk i loved its themes when i was a child

was better than anything else

also yahoo answers was fun

probably dead today

quora replaced it

i miss forums too

wasnt a bad decade tbh

MyBB & vBulletin

i still carry the trauma of not being able to pay for vbulletin - i wanted to create my own forum so much xD

[gusty star]

forums weren't bad, people would still derail and start flame wars tho. but it wasn't social media level shittiness

[timber viper]

I remember mostly forums were fighting which each other

other than people in forums

[gusty star]

ah fair

[still thicket]

people suck

all they do is exist

[gusty star]

some of the forums i were in were smaller, like starcraft map making groups lol

[deep glen]

old beyond unreal forums ftw

[gusty star]

but it was chill most of the time

[timber viper]

forums at 2008: golden age
forums at 2022: illegal business, hacker platforms, other forums that didnt update their layouts since 2002

[spice viper]

internet was better in 2008

[night grove]

The best illegal forums are the ones that started legit, then got compromised hacked and taken over.

[timber viper]

😄 totally

[night grove]

Best part about this? Was caused by my diagnostics init code that was supposed to be setting unused transforms to identity, but had some indexing issues due to my changed compression format. IOW: The HLSL was fine.

(Diagnostics init as in, init code that doesn't run in shipping builds and just zeroes things out to make debugging easier)

Yeah. Still working on transform compression

I made some really stupid mistakes due to misunderstanding of UE texture sampling. edit: My misunderstanding on how it works

Now I'm removing part of the compression

But that means rearranging all the bits

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/psychedelic-effects-awesome-stage-effects-stage-set-up-lighting-beyond-wonderland-gif-13778061

[spice viper]

damn the reviews for VRC on steam have droped it to mixed now

people rly dont like this uodate

withen a few hours they managed to go from very positive to mixed

[foggy path]

what did they change?

[spice viper]

they added EAC

cant even open the game no more

cuz of my mods im getting insta kicked

and the vanilla client is terrable

no joke a UE5 tech demo runs better than VRC in a public lobby dose

i cant use my FSR mod anymore

[night grove]

Meta people must be celebrating right now

VR Chat is the closest real thing to a "meta verse" there is

[deep glen]

for now

[maiden geode]

Unrelated to UE, I made the front page of reddit today haha

https://v.redd.it/2yttqe180rd91

[foggy path]

Why would they need EAC in VR Chat 🤔

It's not a competitive e-sport

[night grove]

I've been wondering the same

[foggy path]

lol

[night grove]

It's a social platform

Mods are their lifeblood

Anomaly said it was to prevent account theft or smth

[foggy path]

Discord bans you for using modded clients too tho if you're caught lol

[night grove]

But Easy Cheat doesn't really work for that does it?

[foggy path]

Yeah I don't think it does unless it's supposed to somehow preventing from apps that try to hack your client from running

[night grove]

I really cannot fathom the decision making that went into cutting mod support so viciously for that game

[foggy path]

could also be the usual thing where they want users to pay for stuff that mods introduce

can't be free to run all the servers for it

[pearl elk]

back in my day you could use whichever irc client you wanted

[timber viper]

Finally found the game Laura is working on

[fleet tangle]

Heh

I played that for a bit back in the day.

[timber viper]

It wasnt a bad game, but literally zero players are playing it 😄

I'm a fan of fast paced shooters so I was liked it a lot

[fleet tangle]

It was very UT-like!

[dim ruin]

how is it that they create the most advanced and user-friendly game engine in the world but they create possibly the slowest damn launcher since the aol days lol

(the game library and store side, not the engine launcher)

[noble plaza]

Was that the Nexuiz fork? RIP arena FPS in general, though Halo comes pretty close

[solar nebula]

Computers

[long ore]

so guys if I modelled something in unreal exported it
and then sold it to a client are there any licensing issues

i mean the license says that it's free for linear production

but doesn't say anything about exporting objects from unreal

[noble plaza]

At least historically there wasn't much you'd be exporting out of Unreal, to not be brought back in again. Interesting question though.

[long ore]

so for example i use the control rig features to animate a character
and then i export the fbx with all the animations and sell them

or similarly selling modelled objects with the new modelling tools in ue5

[timber viper]

dont take legal advices from internet

even for simple things

Epic said tutorials will be reviewed but I'm able to see my article on community hub

[trail wedge]

the internet is much better for illegal advice

[timber viper]

can you give me one

[trail wedge]

ok, you didn't hear it from me, but use "advices" because "advice" is already plural... so that's 1 rule you can break

next... download all the things you don't own

[timber viper]

oh, lol 😄

thanks

[trail wedge]

here's some more good illegal advice.... the less there are of an animal the more delicious it must be

so get yourself a plate of endangered species

[supple apex]

What? 🤔

[trail wedge]

obviously there are less of them because people ate the rest

[primal summit]

mmm... dodo...

[timber viper]

but what if hunters just killed them and didnt even care

[trail wedge]

poor dinosaurs.... got eaten by some other dinos before we could even get a bite

[timber viper]

i'd like to eat a dinosaur tbh

maybe I can try to bite one of the dino bones in museum - not sure how would society react though

[trail wedge]

cough American bison cough

[primal summit]

hey, by that logic, guess what must be absolutely delicious?

ebola!

[trail wedge]

they're just big chicken nuggets that run around and roar at things

[timber viper]

ebola.. somehow evolved by.. one human, and a monkey.. uh

[trail wedge]

even 1 case of ebola is countless individual ebola viruses, but viruses don't usually get counted as alive anyway

[supple apex]

Illegal advice, tell people to use void main()

[trail wedge]

hear me out..... hot reload... eh?

[silver basin]

bro UE4 wiped all my games

[supple apex]

Please take a seat over there...

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-pam-poovey-take-a-number-number-gif-4770922

[noble plaza]

I've got a pair programming interview coming up and I have no idea what to expect? Never had one before, going to be weird

I have to talk through stuff I'm planning and doing instead of actually planning and doing. Confuzzle

[pearl elk]

oh no, talking to humans

do not recommend

[tulip orbit]

agreed. humans are terrible.

[timber viper]

https://youtu.be/5bId3N7QZec

just say hashmap to everything

[tulip orbit]

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/job-interview-meme-14.jpg

[spice viper]

the VRC discod has now truned from ranting about EAC to having heated debates over which linux DE is the best
never knew so many VRC users are linux users

like people be in heated debates on how their DE or window manager is better

[latent dew]

https://github.com/tranek/GASDocumentation#concepts-as

[trail wedge]

we all know it's xfce anyway

[spice viper]

kde gang

[noble plaza]

Bruh I actually used a hashmap too haha, well a dict

And was asked if hashing UUID or str had significant performance differences

[spice viper]

damn

thats how u know your update is not good

[noble plaza]

Imagine not using Pantheon

[cursive crypt]

til you can't X (close) the Launcher when in Settings, big brain.

[noble plaza]

But did you know close and minimise have different startup times, even if both actually minimise?

[cursive crypt]

They behave different tho.

One keeps it in the task bar, the other in the quick launcher

[noble plaza]

I think one kills the GUI task, the other suspends it yeah

[midnight marlin]

What did they change

[spice viper]

they added EAC

[regal pecan]

Which bans modded clients, which were very popular.

[pearl elk]

can we ban boilerplate?

[clear cape]

what chat need anticheat?

D:

[pearl elk]

its to protect peoples relationships

[clear cape]

there are plenty of hardware anticheats used since medival time so

[pearl elk]

yeah the ole ring on the finger doesnt work so well

[spice viper]

i think VRC should just let people use workshop to make mods

cuz this update has revealed how many people use mods despite them not being allowed so why not allow them

if u go workshop rout ud be able to make it more offical

[regal pecan]

I don't know what mods were possible
I'm surprised it's not a free for all, with a title like 'VR Chat'

[spice viper]

well u dont need VR to play the game

also has desktop support

[clear cape]

i think most common were tools

[regal pecan]

How do you have a 3d chatroom without custom models?

[clear cape]

and tools are gone (cant patch from what friend said)

[spice viper]

i think i can still do dll injects

cuz the game docent care if il kill EAC

like after the game finished loading i killed every EAC process running and the game didnt care

so maybe u can dll inject mods but wont be as easy as before

[regal pecan]

What kind of tools?

[spice viper]

wdym mods or game sdk stuff

damn the VRC discord server is a hot mess rn

2b2t prob has a more civilized chat than VRC discord rn

[noble plaza]

One of life's golden rules, it is - don't fuck with autism

80% of VRChat is screaming, and that's without any particular reason. Given a reason...

[pearl elk]

https://steamcharts.com/app/438100

not sure its had much of an impact to peak counts yet

[cursive crypt]

Is that vrc important or popular?

[pearl elk]

well it has more players than BF2042 😛

[cursive crypt]

Was that the latest, controversial one?

I think I tried once to play bf, was not fun.

[noble plaza]

Yeah, also on Origin and consoles unlike VRC

[cursive crypt]

*in multiplayer

[noble plaza]

I had a blast with 3 and 4, there onwards I checked out though. V was pretty good towards the end too

[cursive crypt]

I think I played two single-player campaigns, kinda similar they were.

[noble plaza]

The campaigns are pretty meh, people play them for the multiplayer really. BC2 and maybe 3 had interesting enough campaigns though

[timber viper]

you mean GAS?

[pearl elk]

I loved the war story format they just wernt long enough

I mean all of it

then we can focus on writing the good bits

UATTRIBUTE()
could be groovy

[timber viper]

this could be possible without any sarcasm, only if we would be able to extent the reflection system without engine changes 🥲

you reminded me all the boilerplate i wrote just because we dont have this feature

[pearl elk]

UE5 was a good opportunity but as I suggested the other day I think to minimise technical debt on Fortnite it was decided against

[timber viper]

they moved many things to C# though, there are still hope

[pearl elk]

well not just Fortnite to be fair, everyone porting will benefit from stability

If Im honest I dont pay great attention to all the low level stuff, when it impacts me greatly I do but apart from that Im just a lowly gameplay programmer

Im okay to stay in my lane

[timber viper]

I always complain about incomplete/missing features because even if someone is very smart and experienced programmer they'll just waste time for implementing or fixing something that Epic was suppose to do

So I time to time follow changes on engine code -- though I'm not able to deep dive into low level stuff too 😄

[pearl elk]

yeah thats what it boils 😂 down to for me too, its about making the most of programming time by focusing where its needed most. When there are all these other distractions it doesnt help productivity

when the boilerplate and modularity ends up being more code than monolithic style 😬

[timber viper]

I just stole everything from Lyra and GASShooter

first two weeks was tough

now I dont even waste time for doing things

development is getting faster exponentially

[pearl elk]

I want to feel like its my fault for not just doing the work but I know in the back of my mind there is a better way to do all of this.

I guess if they made it too easy anyone could do it

[deep copper]

maybe it's a way to gatekeep the unskilled fellows out of it . so bad games get made less

[pearl elk]

Well most of what I want to do is fairly simple but made more complex for reasons. If they wanted less bad games then making this simple stuff more accessible and robust would be the way to go not gatekeeping

Theres still plenty of room for savvy programmers to flex

https://github.com/tranek/GASShooter/blob/master/Source/GASShooter/Public/Characters/GSCharacterBase.h#L74

this is an example though, the amount of times Ive had to write or copy/paste this sort of junk

[timber viper]

Didnt you just fork and take required things?

[pearl elk]

its basically standard gameplay language, no one should be writing it like this anymore

sure implementation might differ but thats where you write the actual code, the important stuff

I want to implement concept of health

mana, stamina, etc infact I can just go implement concept <t>

then I can just modify it on the function end, skipping so much rework

and if that doesnt tickle your fancy you can go low level and flex

[gusty star]

maybe we should petition epic to get on there shit and beef up the engine technical team

they have the money

[pearl elk]

well theres only so much Epic can do within the confines of C++

[gusty star]

ah at this point its more about the technical limitations of the language?

still they've worked some miracles so far lol

[trail wedge]

why would they care? random small devs are just side money for them... large studios are their real customers and this isn't much of an issue to them

[gusty star]

Yeah thats a good point. most studios probably have their own technical director/team

[pearl elk]

For me its about the language and trying to come up with a simpler form more specific for gameplay, thats why I got interested in Unreal Engine originally. Blueprint isnt terrible, it gets alot right but its no replacement for a slick text based language, I know Verse is on the way but Im not convinced its going to solve anything, from what Ive seen its still old fashioned paradigms

[gusty star]

hmm i see

[cursive crypt]

Never got to understand that obsession with getters and setters. Is like an itch.

[pearl elk]

tbh even if I had a big studio at my disposal in terms of development costs its not worthwhile to pursue this, I would put resources into a game project not R&D which would make a large portion of the team redundant

[gusty star]

c# is really bad for it, its like this:

getters and setters everywhere

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, that they got joked about since ages.

[gusty star]

so fair lol

[cursive crypt]

Some ppl like to decorate

[pearl elk]

that sort of thing can be great for low level where you need that sort of control over public sets and gets

[gusty star]

interesting

[pearl elk]

I find though I end up using memory I shouldnt need to, which is actually a low level concern

I shouldnt have to duplicate a variable temporarily because systems arnt integrated

[gusty star]

ye i get that

[pearl elk]

good example might be player groundspeed, thats not an attribute, to make it an attribute you need to duplicate it and reassign unless you modify or recreate CMC

[gusty star]

hmm i see

I'm defininetly stoked to dive into Unreal

tho honestly I am not stoked to learn Blender

never really liked the UI in terms of usability or the one-million-hotkey thing

but c++ and blueprints should be fun

[cursive crypt]

There are many values like that. Can be done with post attribute changed handler.

[pearl elk]

yeah it can be done but I think it would be cleaner if there were a way to flag a UPROPERTY as an attribute then it could compile all that boilerplate for you

and it would be easier to support it in BP in the future

[gusty star]

is the engine code on github? can you open this as an issue xD?

[pearl elk]

thats just one example, there are plenty of others where I look at code and just think why does this even exist, its like that big roast pig you see on every feast table ever

[cursive crypt]

So, you are very new to ue?

[gusty star]

Yeah, I was working on a 2d isometric game in Unity but I had to do some jankiness to get around Unitys c# sandbox bullshit and kinda got tired of the project

[cursive crypt]

I agree that the different modules should be better integrated, but I kind of doubt that. There is a huge tech debt in ue

[gusty star]

basically unity has a provided class from their API called Monobehaviour, for game code, and to serialize it in XML you need to do some serious gymnastics. kinda blew holes in my modding plans for that game.

[noble plaza]

Every project older than a month has lots of tech debt 😐

[pearl elk]

Yeah I dont want to seem unreasonable, just for me Ive been around a long time and you get so used to being shrugged off you just stop bothering even trying to talk to anyone at Epic about it.

I feel like even if I got the ear of someone important and they agreed there is still nothing they could actually do

[deep copper]

i think a few "game maker" softwares do try to achieve that, but they don't have much flexibility because they are all kinda like small scale stuff...

[cursive crypt]

[trail wedge]

well to go down this path even further.... JS lets you do some true madness and you can definitely make some nice clean looking code but the lack of structure isn't really a boon in my opinion

[gusty star]

so i've heard, lmao!

theres a dude in this writing-group discord im in thats making a file viewer... in javascript... rofl

[pearl elk]

another example might be spawning, just setting up a transform to pass to a spawn function is needlessly complex. It was sooo much easier to do in uscript, I understand why there might need to be complexity but most of the time I dont need that ability. The default is complexity always, rather than simple until complexity is required

[gusty star]

and even he admits that its pain and suffering (to develop in haha)

[noble plaza]

You can just do this though

private int number { public get; public set; }

[pearl elk]

its like meeting someone who speaks old english, youre just like pffft what a toff, you dont sit and admire their tone

[trail wedge]

right because by going the "complex" route first they ensure most of the features make it in before they get bored and move on to the next project.... the wrapper for easy mode is an after thought and not really as important as the functionality being present

[gusty star]

ye true. i've kinda forgot the simpler/cleaner forms of some of this stuff.

[trail wedge]

ES6 (JS) lets you make getter/setters for fictional members so there's that

[noble plaza]

Not sure how Verse is old-fashioned though, the syntax looks like very tidy, first-class async programming. Kinda reminds me of Go, but more domain focussed, and for games instead.

[pearl elk]

yeah I guess thats true, at the end of the day its a graphics engine and the gameplay features are secondary

[noble plaza]

People see a language that's not a C copypaste syntax wise, and swear to never even try it.

[noble plaza]

I prefer to not talk about that monstrosity

[trail wedge]

I just wanna complain about the stuff they don't finish exposing functionality for even in c++

[trail wedge]

I just spent a week in typescript so I gotta get it out of my system

[noble plaza]

TS is so much saner too haha. Never try JS :))))

[pearl elk]

the issue is just that youre comparing it to general programming languages which doesnt give me hope about being domain specific

[trail wedge]

TS is just JS tho... breaking TS syntax/rules doesn't prevent anything from running as is

[gusty star]

The syntax for Unreal Verse looks aight, i can dig it

[noble plaza]

TS saves you from a lot of potential JS bugs though, if you're using it even moderately right

[pearl elk]

Id say thats very fair, they are the ones who make us use C++ so its the least they can do

[noble plaza]

Yeah the syntax is the least important anyway. If it's a productive experience, I'd learn French verbs to program in it lol

[trail wedge]

I feel like the 2nd clause in your sentence is doing heavy lifting 🙂

[noble plaza]

Moderately right == not marking every var as Any

[trail wedge]

always fun finding completely private classes and then finding out they exposed a couple things to BP that even c++ doesn't have access to; usually both crowds are missing the important stuff

[noble plaza]

The SK forums absolutely love the product too, which is always promising. the iteration times are about to skyrocket if it lands in similar form

[pearl elk]

unfortunately old school C++rs will always go private before explicitly moving things to public

[trail wedge]

a good example I can remember is pixel streaming letting you bind in BP only

[pearl elk]

first book I read on C++ all accessors were done through public interfaces

not a single public var lol

[trail wedge]

never understood the over use of private... I'm old school too, but I've always preferred protected as a default

[pearl elk]

yeah same, protected makes more sense for extensibility doesnt it

[trail wedge]

maybe because I learned JAVA early on and extending classes just infected my thinking

[gusty star]

does UE have out of the box pathfinding or do you have to write a*/etc or use a plugin?

[trail wedge]

navmesh

[gusty star]

noice

[trail wedge]

or did you mean something else

[gusty star]

nah navmesh sounds about right

[pearl elk]

I definitely picked Java up quicker than I did C++, its why I didnt code for HL but I did for Q3

and obviously UT2003

[gusty star]

Java is fun. Java FX is a nice app development framework imo.

[noble plaza]

Which did you learn first though?

[trail wedge]

I learned c++ and JAVA at the same time starting in 97

[noble plaza]

'11 onwards C++ started getting some much needed updates, while Java had a steady cadence of new shit

[trail wedge]

JavaFX was a nice replacement for Swing which was a nice replacement/addon for awt

Swing is to slate as JavaFX is to UMG

[pearl elk]

yeah it wasnt until later C++ versions that it got my interest, I think I started with C++ late 90s too but it just didnt stick, especially pointers

[noble plaza]

My first GUI app was using some JavaFX bindings for Kotlin haha
Dark times

[cursive crypt]

90s first thing I chewed on until it sank were c++ ptrs

[pearl elk]

I wrote an OpenGL window with a floating box and quickly went back to game scripting

[trail wedge]

I usually just learn what I need and use what makes sense for my specific project

most of my professional life was doing Java stuff for gov/big business obsessed with it for no good reason most of the time

[pearl elk]

I do like exploring math problems, Ive done quite abit with set theory

[gusty star]

I started writing a java fx app, basically i wrote a modloader for Space Haven, and then I jumped to c# and win forms working on more modding tools (an XML boilerplate generator for rimworld modding), and then i got into Unity.

but this was all this year 😬

[noble plaza]

I've been trying to switch languages every job, but now with a few YoE seems like stack experience is the only way to move forward 😬

[trail wedge]

my main langs have ended up being: c/c++, c#, JAVA, ES6/JS-variants, and I retired php but it gets an honorable mention

[cursive crypt]

Sounds nice.

[trail wedge]

weirdest langs I used for one off projects were FORTRAN and LISP

[gusty star]

the modloader took 19 days to complete but ended up breaking due to an ingame crash that i wasn't sure how to resolve. the rimworld xml boilerplate generator got handed off to a friend cuz she is a way better programmer than i am lol, and that unity game i just got bored of/decided to shelve

[pearl elk]

yup thats why I apply this stuff to languages, I see code repetition as a set theory problem

[trail wedge]

Lua is a sometimes script for me too

[noble plaza]

Swift for me, there's a lot of syntax sugar. Almost too much at times, and XCode is a bit weird as well

[trail wedge]

Python and PERL I've used, but dislike

I hate apple so I think you know what I think of XCode and swift lol

[noble plaza]

My mains are Go, Python, and either JS or Java/Kotlin I suppose.
You can tell I was born close to 2000 lol

[trail wedge]

script kiddy (jk all in good fun)

[noble plaza]

Compiled languages are for the people that want paid coffee breaks, I've got bugs to write m8

[trail wedge]

true

script makes them bugs way faster

[gusty star]

In my defence of being a newb programmer, I do have another skillset. I went to art school for uni lol, and can do all that with ease, except for 3d modelling.

programming is dope but it was super hard to wrap my head around most of its concepts and ideas

[trail wedge]

can't you meet halfway and use babel to transpile some JS

[noble plaza]

Go is nice though, compiles super fast and Is a tidy language in general. Nice parallelism features too

[pearl elk]

some things just arnt possible without a VM running when it comes to dynamic language features

[noble plaza]

Only if it's from something with sex appeal, like Elm

[pearl elk]

you wanna know why Rider hogs RAM, yup

[trail wedge]

I personally like JIT compiling... it's like laying then rails as the train chases you down

[noble plaza]

Jetbrains have a Rust based IDE coming up though, will be interesting

[pearl elk]

when you got the UE VM running you have access to all the uprops etc

[gusty star]

Is Rider worth the license cost/are you doing yourself a disservice by using visual studio?

[trail wedge]

I knew Rider was a JVM monster when I installed it... I came to terms with the JVM 25 years ago lol

[trail wedge]

If I could answer yes an infinite number of times I would (but that's just my opinion)

[gusty star]

cuz i've used jetbrains java ide and it was pretty solid ngl

[noble plaza]

Personally, worth it, but I also use their other IDEs so I'm more used to them. Try the free trial

[pearl elk]

VS still needs Vax doesnt it or is my VS2022 just broken

[gusty star]

ah right the VAX thing

forgot about that

Rider is cheaper then

[noble plaza]

Yeah VAX or R# are the recommendations

[trail wedge]

Webstorm might be my favorite JetBrains IDE... it just brings so much to the JS table

[noble plaza]

GoLand makes VS code look like a garage project. The Go LSP (and debugger?) is quite meh, they wrote their own

[trail wedge]

dotUltimate from JB comes with Rider and R# (and more stuff) and it's something like $10 more a year than just Rider btw

[trail wedge]

yeh I need to check out Go at some point I guess

[cursive crypt]

I sense Jet fans

[noble plaza]

I like tools that make my life easier 🤷

[trail wedge]

also a PSA: JB prices are going up (in Oct I think) get your licenses while they're cheaper

[cursive crypt]

Thats why I use VS 😄

[gusty star]

good to know

[trail wedge]

not going up by that much tho

[gusty star]

I like visual studio too ngl, but IntelliJ was way way better than Eclipse or whatever other IDEs there are for Java. So i kinda think JetBrains / rider might be aight

atleast for UE

[trail wedge]

Rider is better than VS for UE dev work because of the extra UE specific stuff it has.... I use VS for general c++ (might change that but been in UE land recently)

[gusty star]

Tho its clearly not without some overhead/ram usage haha?

[trail wedge]

and while I'm giving hot takes... VSCode is worthless I'd rather use Notepad++

[gusty star]

ye no programmer i've ever met likes VSCode

[trail wedge]

well if you're a game dev you should have a decent machine imo

[cursive crypt]

ngl, I agree

[noble plaza]

VS won't tell you if a function is used in BP or what the BP overridden property values are, etc. I don't consider VS to be as feature complete as Rider for UE

[trail wedge]

I wish that were true for me... I meet tons of these misguided souls in #cpp when they wander in and get mad we all tell them to install a real IDE

[gusty star]

Yeah. I have a ryzen 5 3600, a 6gb 1660 super and 16 gbs of ram. But I don't have many expenses and can spend a fair bit of cash on upgrade parts when needed.

probably upgrading ram first, before even openign UE lol

[trail wedge]

sounds like a laptop... I'd suggest a desktop (cheaper parts easier to upgrade)

[gusty star]

Nah just a cheapo desktop build

[trail wedge]

none of my machines have under 32GB of ram anymore

[cursive crypt]

True is more tuned, but frankly these 2 example features kinda does not sound so tempting.

[trail wedge]

my laptop is maxed at 40 because it has an 8gb soldered on

[gusty star]

damn eh

[noble plaza]

There's plenty more, I just dunno what's exclusive because I didn't use VS much. They're pretty helpful though

[gusty star]

I'll get some more 8gb sticks or maybe 4x 16 gb sticks

[trail wedge]

my main PC has 64gb and UE finds a use for all of it

[trail wedge]

RAM is important but the guideline is 2gb per thread (which is 2x cores) so a quadcore processor needs 16gb to have all it wants available with the default compile settings

[gusty star]

Honestly for unity dev, it was fine having a more mid-tier rig, for both development and hardware testing/benchmarking. I didnt want a super powerful machine that couldn't run the game, as it doesn't represent most pc gamers hardware (the steam user stats say that the 1080 or something is the most popular card but its been months since i've check)

[trail wedge]

a bigger deal is getting an SSD/M2 drive to replace any HDDs you have

[gusty star]

but now I need to upgrade this rig and maybe build a test rig lol

I have an SSD for my OS, and ill probably install the engine on it as well.

tho I do have an HDD with my boughten games/data/whatever on it xD

[trail wedge]

OS is unimportant... SSD for the place you're compiling to/form

opening a million tiny text files has a big impact

[gusty star]

yeah makes sense.

[cursive crypt]

nvme

[trail wedge]

I agree, but I don't wanna just say throw money at everything..... that said I only have PCIE4.0 NVME M2 drives now

[gusty star]

Haha but at a certain points its all you can do?

[trail wedge]

ssd will get you 90% of the benefit, nvme is icing on the cake

[deep copper]

#career-chat if you don't get answers here

[runic oasis]

aaha sorry

[noble plaza]

PS UE5 seems to default to compiling with $coreCount instead of $threadCount parallelism, which is surprising

In practice, doesn't seem to make much difference IME. Curious change from UE4 though

[trail wedge]

well you can always change the config file

most of the time peeps do that to make it use less RAM because they have some toaster/laptop

[noble plaza]

Ah I did change it, but compile times didn't move drastically. Linker and library creation steps take ages and block anyway

[trail wedge]

makes sense

all depends on your bottleneck

[noble plaza]

My bottleneck is me making mistakes and taking extra time to correct them 🧠

[trail wedge]

hahahaha, that's why I don't get the people obsessed with reducing compile times to the point of absurdity

thinking about stuff before/while you code is always the bottleneck

[deep copper]

compile times give you the time to stop and reflect on your code and life

[noble plaza]

5 hours of brute forcing can save you 5 minutes of reading the docs. The benefits are obvious

[trail wedge]

but those 5 hours of "wasted" time will help you understand the situation thoroughly as opposed to the surface details from the doc

[deep copper]

you will never forget what you did wrong there

[trail wedge]

the thing is are you just trying to get something done at any cost, or are you trying to learn/understand what you're doing and make sure you're taking the seemingly best approach

[slim atlas]

why not both

brute force reading the docs

[trail wedge]

that's how you get spaghetti

[slim atlas]

for 5 hours

how do you get spagethe from reading

[noble plaza]

The docs have horrible navigation TBH, best way is to just google it and restrict

[slim atlas]

thats wrong.

[deep copper]

this is what i end up doing for anything 😂

[slim atlas]

the whole point of brute forcing is to do something irational

[trail wedge]

I dunno BP is just the spirit animal of getting stuff done without understanding for me

[slim atlas]

if you say so uex.

he doesnt deserve hug

unhug

[trail wedge]

hahahaha

[slim atlas]

STOP

[noble plaza]

Ideally docs should warn you of pitfalls, deprecations, alternatives, etc. That's not oftenn the case

[deep copper]

don't worry, i just added it because it felt kinda empty

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-eating-moms-spaghetti-love-spaghet-gif-18661137

[slim atlas]

dont be upset, eat some spageth

[trail wedge]

nobody wants to write docs... we all know this

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bam-spaghetti-food-fight-kid-shock-gif-17093726

[deep copper]

you document it so well taking a few months
and next update it goes away

[trail wedge]

that too

[deep copper]

now this is safe for hug i would say

[noble plaza]

that tree

[deep copper]

which tree?

[trail wedge]

the Octree?

[deep copper]

SpeedTree?

or whatever it was

[trail wedge]

maybe Tim's tree

[deep copper]

Our Tree 🟥

[pearl elk]

Sparse voxel octree

[noble plaza]

My issue with docs is that they phase out community efforts to document their shit, like WTF

[trail wedge]

best comment in the UE codebase:

/** An Octree. */

[noble plaza]

Foster it, encourage it, maybe contribute to it. Don't just start removing valuable material

[trail wedge]

well maybe there's a reason we all hang in an unofficial community Discord?

[pearl elk]

I thought Epic added a place for the community to contribute tutorials and other docs

[noble plaza]

The "Dev hub", but I haven't found anything helpful there. Maybe it'll develop over time, or I just haven't looked into relevant topics yet

[broken sigil]

So I heard you guys like jetbrains?

[pearl elk]

It is relatively new but tbh it is pretty easy to use markdown on github for documentation

[noble plaza]

Like .MD files? Hasn't that been a thing forever?

[pearl elk]

Yeah it has, simple straight forward so Im not sure why you'd write it on Epics domain

Maybe if you hate MS

[trail wedge]

a while...

[noble plaza]

GitHub is just hosting those files, you can mirror them to GitLab or something if you'd like

[pearl elk]

Very old style scifi

Needs more art deco

[broken sigil]

I love these progress videos

[pearl elk]

I hope at some point you can pick directions for the AI if you like the look of where something was heading before it changed

Ive seen some which look amazing then they come sharper and its like oh crap looked better before

[gusty star]

Heres a crazy idea. Start a fan wiki for unreal documentation for "educational purposes".

copyright proof xD

[noble plaza]

Let's call it the community wiki, be sure it's a wiki by the community

[deep glen]

hnng

[broken sigil]

There are some tricks like specifying at what % to stop

They also released a much better upscaler like yesterday

[gusty star]

lmao

they gave the community wiki a megagrant?

[gusty star]

Ah makes sense

[pearl elk]

They shoulda called the dev tutorial section megarants

[deep glen]

that kind of effect in unreal engine for characters be fricking sweet

totes ethereal

[broken sigil]

Oh yeah this morphing effect would be sick

[pearl elk]

Can it do faces for UVing

[broken sigil]

Oh I have some with nice looking mouths

[pearl elk]

Heaps better than the mutants it was doing in the old version

[gusty star]

Some of those effects are pretty wild, that bokeh effect (selective focus/rack focus) in particular is really nice

the feather and cloth textures are really nice

stuff like that is fairly complex to render/paint properly

[broken sigil]

MJ is getting more and more impressive quickly

[cursive crypt]

word

[broken sigil]

Also some mechs in ww1 because why not

[gusty star]

Damn those are insane

gives me howls moving castle vibes (the last image anyway)

[cursive crypt]

lol, howl's was bright and fun castle

[gusty star]

Yeah but just the sort of hodge-podge/slapped together feeling of the mech

[broken sigil]

Also have these slightly disturbing looking angels which I think look absolutely sick

[gusty star]

Wow lol

those look incredible

Dark souls bosses? hmmmm

[broken sigil]

Definitely looks like something out of dark souls

Lol

[pearl elk]

You should apply at Blizzard with these see if they let you in lol

[broken sigil]

Lol

[gusty star]

The sense of atmosphere is crazy with the angel paintings ngl

esp the first one, that smoky gray in the background is v nice

[broken sigil]

Mj lets me express my twisted ideas and thoughts 😅

[cursive crypt]

I think our guy here generates these instead of morning coffee.

[broken sigil]

How did you know, are you spying on me lol

[gusty star]

can you basically throw anything in the prompt box? can you try "sci-fi gladiators" as a prompt ;)?

[pearl elk]

That last one is almost like some sort of multiverse arms

[broken sigil]

Sure

[gusty star]

noice

[broken sigil]

Any specific style?

[pearl elk]

Isnt there a hindu deity with many arms

[gusty star]

Something more realistic/painterly, not abstract

[gusty star]

theres a couple

[broken sigil]

Generating

[gusty star]

woo!

with the advent of "robot/ai artists", who owns the copyright to their "work"?

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/octopus-funny-wave-hand-gif-12462034

[gusty star]

the creator of the AI? the prompt-giver? seems like a tough question to sus out

hahahahahah

[broken sigil]

With MJs license you own the generated images

[gusty star]

thats pretty awesome of them (the devs) to do that

[cursive crypt]

nft mine

[broken sigil]

I'm also probably heavily biased towards MJ since I have a role in their server lol

[gusty star]

I'm so weary of all this supposed innovation and e-finance shit. Like shit if Volcker (the fed economist who fought inflation in the 70s) thought the ATM was peak finance....

[cursive crypt]

lmao

[gusty star]

Meh MJ seems to produce better results then DALLE or w/e

but DALLE is more meme worthy tbh

[deep glen]

the latest Dalle also does amazing stuff

[gusty star]

I might have to give it a shot again

Atleast I can punch in "Communist Mcdonalds" without the devs looking at me sideways

[pearl elk]

Still early days yet, all this AI stuff will continually get better. I wouldnt be surprised if we are running AI filters for things other than RT for games in a few years

[gusty star]

Yeah eh

[broken sigil]

@gusty star

[gusty star]

whoa

I like how it stuck to the classic warm/cool orange/blue palette.

Some of MJs stylistic flourishes make me think alot of uh

wtf is his name

frank frazetta

some of those background washes are so frazetta esque

and the characters too, its weird.

[broken sigil]

Doing another run

[gusty star]

word

do you mind if i save those gladiator images? this stuff is next level

[deep glen]

i should just pay blueman to generate concept art for me non-stop XD

[gusty star]

yeah no kidding, honestly

[deep glen]

i can do it myself, but well..

it takes time

[gusty star]

same

but im no Feng Zhu

or Even Amundsen lol

[deep glen]

and blueman seems to love doing it

[gusty star]

(both top tier concept artists btw)

[deep glen]

yea, i know who they are

[gusty star]

my bad

[deep glen]

feng zui is like holds up hand high level

[gusty star]

ikr

i remember watching his design cinema back in 2012 lol

such a legend

tho his school in singapore is like 50k singaporean dollars a year 😬

but 4real blue man seems to be the man to know in this case lol

[broken sigil]

Sure, go for it

[deep copper]

we also like you ❤️ !

those progress videos are so epic

poggers*? those progress videos are poggers

[gusty star]

no kidding!!!

my process videos never look this good lol

[deep copper]

it's so clean and steady

and all shifts are gradual

nothing sudden

i am sure there is going to be a channel on yt which can live off of posting these as satisfying vids

[gusty star]

yeah eh

honestly these AIs represent an insane cost saving. Learning art is hard as fuq, and takes so much practice to master.

Even something as niche as concept art could be huge value.

also, is there a channel we are allowed to share our art station link in? share-your-stream maybe?

actually maybe not, seems to be v dev focused there. hmm

[cursive crypt]

UE works can be shared either in #work-in-progress or in #released

The server is about UE, so yeah.

[gusty star]

True lol

Eh not a big deal really

I could just slap it into my profile if i really wanted to tbh

but theres no real point tbf, im not looking for work or anything

[deep copper]

that tiny human looks so adorable 😍

[broken sigil]

Yeah don't know why he is tiny lol
But it looks cool

[deep copper]

flex on others, and well, free marketing

[gusty star]

These are so wild!!!! i love the knight esque feel to their armour

[deep glen]

I wonder at what point we'll get a pinterest spinoff for ai-generated stuff

[deep copper]

i bet pinterest is already filled with a lot of ai art

and ai will auto post to socials someday so well, more audience

[gusty star]

true eh

well its getting late in canada-land, I should sleep. and thanks again for running that prompt for me Blue Man, these images are so juicy.

[broken sigil]

Np 👌

And now some grapes

[deep glen]

those look grape

[zinc matrix]

do cars count as mount in games?

[deep glen]

in theory XD

but not always

[zinc matrix]

So i should look up how to make a mount blueprint?

[deep glen]

as a non-blueprinter/coder I cannot answer that in good faith

[zinc matrix]

lmao.

[deep glen]

since this is lounge I thought you where joking

because in theory a car could be a mount

kinda like the "is a hotdog a sandwich or a taco"

[broken sigil]

You will probably find more by searching for car or vehicle interaction system or something like that

[deep glen]

"how to mount a car" would probably give weird results

[broken sigil]

Lol I have a weird image in my mind

[deep glen]

same

there is a game where you can mount everything, dont remember the name but was posted on reddit a while back

[broken sigil]

I think I might have heard about it lol

Also steampunk grapes

[deep glen]

kawaiii

ooh

wonder what midjourney would do with something smurfs

add something like steampunk, or nightmare or whatever XD

[broken sigil]

Trying stormtroopers as smurfs 😅

[deep glen]

lol

ooh

starship trooper smurf mix

them fighting insects

i'd watch that if its grim and dark

[broken sigil]

Oh no I won't be able to unsee the things it is generating lmao

[deep glen]

haha

midjourney also doesnt allow the more lewd side of things. makes me wonder if there is a server out there that does.

[broken sigil]

Oh I've seen some nsfw stuff that slips through the filter and it's ummm... Yeah...

[deep glen]

hehe

[slim atlas]

where do you get these iomages from

[broken sigil]

Generated with Midjourney

[slim atlas]

link?

[broken sigil]

DM, I'll give you a link to the server, it's open beta (paid with 25 free images as a trial)

Yeah lol

[slim atlas]

oh

no i dont want to join

i thought it might be free for all

thanks tho

[broken sigil]

😅

[slim atlas]

what is you

holy honey

[broken sigil]

So who here is down to have their childhood cartoon ruined?

On it

[slim atlas]

well

since i was attacked by a moderator on here

for saying curse words

ive been saying holy honey

i was violently attacked.

[broken sigil]

Was it me, legit can't remember lol

[slim atlas]

i was threatened

if i dont comply the police will be called

itll be over for me

grapes will be my only food for the rest of my life

[broken sigil]

Well good luck unseeing this lol

[slim atlas]

You were supposed to do holy honey 😦

[broken sigil]

It's cooking

[noble plaza]

My MJ invite expired in the mail. I'm getting jelly of the big Blue Man

[broken sigil]

It's open beta, anyone can join now

Oh just you keep adding to my list lol

[noble plaza]

Nothing can ruin The Princess Bride. It's 100% wholesome and perfect

[deep copper]

these are just wonderful

[deep glen]

haha, awesome

[slim atlas]

fuck me

[noble plaza]

Third one is perfect

[slim atlas]

that is indeed holy honey.

[deep glen]

oooh

[deep copper]

so cool!!!

[deep glen]

thats def. some royal jelly right there

[slim atlas]

give me a second to show what i came up with

mhhh

dalle only came up with normal honey

[broken sigil]

Also looks pretty nice, is that mini or Dall-e 2

[slim atlas]

craiyon dalle

ill do spider honey now

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yummy. silky honey with extra legs.

[deep glen]

whenever I see midjourney i wanna do so many random things

"glass bottle spider"

[slim atlas]

oh god...

[deep copper]

i love the second last

[deep copper]

this is so amazing 😮

[broken sigil]

This is turning out so well but I also hate it lol

[deep glen]

haha

[deep copper]

why...

[noble plaza]

Ah MJ does not seem to do free usage anymore, minimum is that US$10/m, or friend pass thingo

[broken sigil]

You do get 25 free images but that's lifetime

[trail wedge]

what about Fly Honey like in Earthbound/Mother2

[noble plaza]

Not sure that's the case still, but I signed up sans-invite, may be it

[broken sigil]

Type /info in one of the newbie channels, it will tell you how many you have left

In their server

[broken sigil]

Enjoy, I hate it lol

[deep glen]

ooooh

dont know which one I love more

[broken sigil]

Not sure if I ruined it or made it better

[noble plaza]

Oh shit I just figured out how it works. WTF is that UX haha

Seems very... viral though

[broken sigil]

The server is at 700k members lol

[noble plaza]

Discord engineers are sweating RN

Discord is the home of the perpetually horny simps huh

[broken sigil]

Yeah I like the middle one a lot

[broken sigil]

Jesus every time I look at this I feel like it's crawling on me 😐

Lol

[trail wedge]

well he's not an alien technically but here's a future cat in space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(Red_Dwarf)

maybe Meow from Space Dandy counts as an alien cat

he looks more like an otter to me

[cursive crypt]

I would have asked for Garfield, but I expect it somehow to be too dramatic.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-garfield-monday-gif-16041521

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-original-demotywatory-demoty-gif-25674043

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/want-some-garfield-coffee-gif-12425432

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-garfield-tummy-full-tap-belly-gif-15742977

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-running-movie-trailer-gif-20191206

[foggy path]

https://tenor.com/bwocI.gif

[soft night]

I walked to 70s directly

[soft night]

in my area is filming ride out tv series based on this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarno_Saarinen

[heavy palm]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-red-dwarf-cat-dance-gif-15504134

[deep copper]

see i am much less scary than that atleast

[trail wedge]

are we certain of that

[knotty skiff]

That is pretty cool ngl

Wait is this ai generated or someone else artist?

[proud jay]

it's ai

from midjourney

[knotty skiff]

Wow, never seen ai generate in high quality

[proud jay]

you can generate 25 images for free

then you gotto pay up

[deep copper]

i have never heard blueman be so openly against about something, this is the most critisism blue man has ever given anything. so based on this i feel yes!

[soft night]

this is not ai generated https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYiCoRZXoAI025e?format=jpg&name=large

[cursive crypt]

Mooods, unsolicited discord link

w8, our mod is double agent 🤔

[trail wedge]

pretty sure that one was solicited

everybody here wants to make their nightmares real

[cursive crypt]

No, i want just pizza now

Sounds too little, from what I have seen (kek)

[trail wedge]

I got 50 with my dual accounts 😛

not much for all time though

nah you know I had these, but that won't stop me from making more if I wanted

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: My sources say no.

[trail wedge]

I'd just make more discords using disposable emails if I wanted to keep getting trials

[deep copper]

yeah they are

[deep copper]

i think you can get disposable discord accounts even without emails

just that they are more likely to get blocked

[trail wedge]

even if you need phone numbers you can get disposable ones too

too much effort to make a robot doodle for me though

[deep copper]

no you just enter a name and you get an account

this is why a few discord servers i manage has duplicate accounts of same people, they join with new accounts each time to look at something 🤦‍♂️

[deep copper]

it would be hilarious to think Hojo did that

they are all online so probably not but xD

...

that's a really good prank

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/initial-d-go-hojo-go-hojo-spin-honda-nsx-keisuke-takahashi-gif-22556818

[deep copper]

i want to hug you as thanks for protecting from such a fraud profile

[noble plaza]

You have an eHug addiction SMH

[deep copper]

.. that seems to be true
but it's because y'all are so huggable

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-villain-chair-spin-suave-gif-23573281

[deep copper]

i bet you are also resisting the urge to do it.
but worry not! they don't mind it much here, so go ahead!
it's an all you can eat buffet !!!

whatever's the real one, i have only met them twice in my lifetime !!

yes, twice

like in lounge

#lounge meeting

no i think the same account

it still had the note i left from the first time

[trail wedge]

am I responsible for all the note taking?

I think this habit of making dossiers is kinda my fault

[deep glen]

mojo jojojo is where its at

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pfsf1968-gif-20440767

[deep copper]

yes! please take responsibility!!
||actually no xD, i did this before as well||

[trail wedge]

you'll see... even in the past I was behind everything

[deep copper]

i really like the idea of you being behind me, for note taking

[trail wedge]

not literally behind you... I just put everything into motion... in the future, but also the past...

[celest musk]

sounds creepy

could almost be a quote from AU

[deep copper]

i wanted to ping mako for the "past future" name plug, but discord doesn't let me 😭

also yes, motion is better

[deep copper]

we now have atleast 2 similarities then 🤔

Xero let's get married

jk ofc

[trail wedge]

I can't I'm already married... to science!

[deep copper]

worry not ! i am also experimental

[noble plaza]

"man of culture science".gif

I've just been watching fighting games at .25x speed on YT, and holy shit the amount of animations and little effects that drive the game feel scares me

[deep copper]

they must be happy with you for giving them that high retention

[gusty star]

lmao

400% retention

[noble plaza]

I'm too potato to understand this, but yes

[trail wedge]

https://i1.theportalwiki.net/img/7/74/Cave_Johnson_fifties_intro07.wav

[deep copper]

more watch time = more audience retention on yt

[gusty star]

yeah

so watching it at .25 speed = x4 to length xD

[deep copper]

= more boost to video impressions

[noble plaza]

Oh righto, makes sense

[gusty star]

its hilarious

spiffing brit has a video breaking it down if you want more details

[deep copper]

there are a few "algorithm breaking videos" that also use this technique , with a mix of few others

literally asking the audience to watch it slower, and they do

[gusty star]

what i really want to know is what i did to break youtubes algo for language detection. its sending me ads in french rn lol

[deep copper]

weird because i also got a weird language ad recently

didn't sound french