this lounge is very creepy again
#lounge
timber viper
terse wasp
Just a slow day I guess
pearl elk
<#221799439008923648>
this sounds like a horrible lounge, far too verbose
we are all about emotion here at javachan
zinc matrix
will anyone here be willing to test out my new game
pearl elk
I asked an expert what they though about lounge and I got this response
fleet tangle
Wow
pearl elk
Ingenuity. Drama. Efficiency. These are the hallmarks of natural evolution. Shaping stunning, elegant solutions. Utterly fit for purpose. Endlessly beautiful… No greater inspiration exists.```Are they talking about me?
deep copper
be the change you want to see!
pearl elk
Lounge is the embodiment of this approach. A light, strong channel that delivers ruthless performance. And a pure convertible cruiser. In one incredible package.
deep copper
would you prefer being low?
pearl elk
I prefer being mid-engine
is that what you called your McLaren 720S Spider?
oh I think it would on racing fuel
now I think about it, why dont we drag race trains
carmine frigate
deep copper
now I think about it, why dont we drag race trains
probably because they are too heavy!
pearl elk
but trains dont have rubber
they can also carry jet engines
but do they, this is a drag racing train made of carbon fiber
deep copper
do we have tank drag races? 🤔
carmine frigate
they allways tell me public transport is better for the enviroment
carmine frigate
that horror train actually looks good
deep copper
it's fun! lots of people to touch...
carmine frigate
ive seen the unreal part of reddit a few times
fleet tangle
Reddit is like 4chan, but full of SJWs instead of trolls.
Of course, a lot of Reddit is perfectly fine.
deep copper
sjws?
fleet tangle
You don't wanna know.
pearl elk
Smelly Jam Worriers
deep copper
now i wanna know more
fleet tangle
But, yeah, social justice warriors. White knights that will get offended so you don't have to.
pearl elk
I am offended on your behalf Sir
deep copper
but i heard they exist
pearl elk
fleet tangle
I take offense at you being offended!
pearl elk
here we go, tank drags
fleet tangle
Do tanks set track records?
deep copper
i only roam around meme sub reddits at most and they only have people who misread or misunderstand often
zinc matrix
@fleet tangle if it’s possible the. How do you make a physics scene in blueprints
pearl elk
I dont think Im allowed to post on reddit, dont you have to have some votes or something
I thought you needed to be accepted into the community through some sort of faux gesture
or be famous and doing an AMA
pearl elk
you never know which stuff youre gonna get
it could be the right stuff, could be the wrong
deep copper
people in reddit are more likely to jump into dms btw
but sad part, all are kids nearly
foggy path
I almost never receive dms on reddit either 🤔
deep copper
maybe if you, do stuff
pearl elk
I almost never receive dms on reddit either 🤔
you need to hug more
foggy path
I would rather not
pearl elk
hey they are kids, whats the worst that can happen
deep copper
reddit dms are kinda bad though, it barely works
pearl elk
just stock up on Cosby sweaters you'll be right
fleet tangle
Oh I think most of the blue pill / red pill / pua community is on reddit too
All kinds of fun people you want to avoid.
deep copper
what's that about?
zinc matrix
Yehsheh
foggy path
I learned the other day that Manosphere is a term... it's like a more incel version of the blogosphere lol
fleet tangle
I forget exactly what blue/red pill is about.
foggy path
sorry 
fleet tangle
PUA is pick-up artists who make a sport of teaching people / bragging about how to have one night stands.
That's not what the reddit one is about, though, Laura.
foggy path
pearl elk
Mannysphere is Epics companion cube for Manny
deep copper
"celebrate?"
fleet tangle
Who knows. It's all a load of shit by arseholes.
deep copper
i don't know what that means but yes!
fleet tangle
Fun fact, radiators don't really radiate heat.
deep copper
a gentle reminder, if you ever feel cold
fleet tangle
They conduct heat to the surroundings which is then convected away.
pearl elk
I certainly radiate heat
deep copper
let's increase it!
fleet tangle
I will admit, they have a very marginal infra-red output.
That's a check at the very least!
deep copper
almost(check)
deep copper
"they" for you
pearl elk
tbh I prefer they, him and he always sounds like I did something wrong... again
like when people use your full title and name
plus there is more than one of us... yes, yes there is
deep copper
I will call mons as mons
deep copper
u-us ?
pearl elk
I will call mons as mons
I prefer that online, people say my name and I dont respond, its like oh right thats my name 😛
pearl elk
https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-blanket-pokemon-leap-jump-jumping-gif-19203529
impressive flying hugs
carmine frigate
😛
deep copper
I prefer that online, people say my name and I dont respond, its like oh right t...
then, hereby you are "they mons" !
fleet tangle
https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-blanket-pokemon-leap-jump-jumping-gif-19203529
Cutest bat. Other than Brushy brushy!
Or whatever that is.
Flying squirrel?!
pearl elk
sugar glider I think
carmine frigate
a sugar glider
pearl elk
reminds me of fairy possums
pearl elk
remember that alien in Flight of the Navigator? I think thats the right movie
fleet tangle
Ah that was a great movie.
deep copper
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/380/104/efd.gif
that's the top gif for "cutest bat"
fleet tangle
IIRC that cute little alien was a felon and will probably eat you
deep copper
that's not.very cute tbh
pearl elk
aww cmon dont tell me you dont want to hug a felon
deep copper
it's not as adorable as you 😦
pearl elk
you never know maybe it has a winning sense of humour 😛
deep copper
it's not, cuddly enough!
pearl elk
so you only like alien felons with dad bods
deep copper
yes!
pearl elk
deep copper
is that a darth vadar parody 😂
deep copper
oh wait
pearl elk
Spice War, its the new Dune
pearl elk
Han Lukesaber
deep copper
no no xD the original of what it is parody, do i need to have seen that before
primal summit
star wars?
pearl elk
Wing Commander
primal summit
it's a parody of the first 3, episodes IV, V, and VI, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of The Jedi, probably not in order
deep copper
that's amazingly sweet
deep copper
just the universe? 😢
foggy path
I never thought about how the guy in Space Balls looks like Indiana Jones until I heard that they made him look like Indiana Jones because Lucas said he'd OK the movie as long as the protag didn't look like Han Solo lol
pearl elk
https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-fair-lone-starr-bill-pullman-spaceballs-youre-not-fair-gif-24854431
deep copper
mh
primal summit
I never thought about how the guy in Space Balls looks like Indiana Jones until ...
still harrison ford
foggy path
I have a shirt with this graphic lol
primal summit
awesome
deep copper
I have a shirt with this graphic lol
that's a solid design !
foggy path
lol yeah, too bad the shirt seems to have stretched out and now it looks kinda shit on me :P
deep copper
aw :(
foggy path
not the best quality in some of these online t shirt shops
deep copper
atleast the ue ninja shirt can replace it now
foggy path
many of my favorite shirts are wearing out from too much wear
deep copper
do you do sports in them?
foggy path
I have an old Opera Mobile t-shirt with this graphic on it which I also like
but it also has extra holes in it now :D
foggy path
Yeah I can't remember if this character was used in anything else related to Opera Mobile, maybe in some other marketing materials
quasi mantle
I have an old Opera Mobile t-shirt with this graphic on it which I also like
Is this from way back when Opera is a decent browser?
foggy path
Yeah like around mid 2000s
or mid-late, been a while so don't remember when I got it lol
primal summit
I ditched them when they did their mobile BS
foggy path
"mobile BS"?
primal summit
everything goes through their servers for conversion to a nice mobile page, image resizing, optimizations to the page for faster load times
foggy path
Opera Mobile had one killer feature back in the day compared to things like Safari on the iPhone... it reformatted text to fit on screen. This made it so much easier to read text on pages that weren't optimized for mobile, and there were many back in those days
primal summit
mini didn't do that stuff
foggy path
everything goes through their servers for conversion to a nice mobile page, imag...
Ohh Opera Turbo
I think you could still have turned it off
and uhh... Opera Mini did it always
primal summit
yeah no way to disable in mobile
foggy path
I think you might be mixing up Mini and Mobile :)
primal summit
pretty sure not?
foggy path
Mini always ran content through the proxy because it wasn't a full blown browser like Mobile was
quasi mantle
Opera Mini is more intended for low speed connections
foggy path
and featurephones
Opera Mobile ran the full Presto rendering engine, so it didn't need any kinda proxy stuff
quasi mantle
I might had false memory of non-Mini Opera running on feature phone
It's been a long while since I departed from my Nokia feature phone
primal summit
pretty sure not?
at least way back in the early smartphone days
foggy path
I might had false memory of non-Mini Opera running on feature phone
It's been a...
Mobile ran on S60, Mini was available on some S40 devices I think
celest musk
i'm disappointed
no grape picture today, did they put grape on the banned words list?
pearl elk
grape trial ended, they were found guilty
gusty star
hey laura, have you seen anyone try to implement a semi-realistic or a as realistic as possible wound and injury system? Im thinking of something like MGS 3: snake eaters system but with more graphic fidelity, but a similar idea of wounds causing gameplay limiting effects (ie head injuries mess with the camera, leg injuries slow movement or stop it, etc)
celest musk
grapeception
pearl elk
grapepunk
broken sigil
or steampunk grape
broken sigil
Looks kinda cool tbh
primal summit
it does
broken sigil
I need to have it generate something steampunk like in the style of dishonored, that sounds like it would be interesting
celest musk
it looks awesome imho
primal summit
but which one's @deep copper?
celest musk
AU is the dude
primal summit
that explains a lot
timber viper
I thought AU was the grape
torpid star
I'm curious how Dalle compares
if you give me a prompt we can compare
broken sigil
if you give me a prompt we can compare
This is for the steampunk grape thing steampunk grape::5 artstation, digital render, realistic, rtx
(::5 is text weight, you cam remove it if it doesn't support it)
And this is for the moral support one "I'm here for moral support" poster, visible text, text, text, readable text
timber viper
how can i learned it
step 1 - forget everything about unity
torpid star
This is for the steampunk grape thing `steampunk grape::5 artstation, digital re...
I like yours more
unreal cedar
the one on the right looks like an old telephone with grapes growing out of it
torpid star
these are more realistic than artistic but that's because of prompt I think
timber viper
makes sense since its something like a plague
torpid star
you gotta tell it to be artsy
lmao
"steampunk grape::5 artstation, digital render, realistic, rtx"
unreal cedar
"I fsiplor m"
torpid star
last one is aces
unreal cedar
now it looks like it's making... telegraph machines?
torpid star
torpid star
now it looks like it's making... telegraph machines?
delicious
broken sigil
It did well but yeah I think I like MJ's more
Dalle does exactly what you tell it to, no more or less
While MJ feels like it is actually trying to imagine with some artistic touches
torpid star
It did well but yeah I think I like MJ's more
Dalle does exactly what you tell i...
I feel like DALLE when do exactly what MJ does if you give it a better prompt
hey guys it's mark here and welcome to my new setup tour
quasi mantle
Just awake and I'm already physically abused
Hahaha shit
broken sigil
It's impressive MJ is able to compete with Dalle considering Dalle is a much larger parameter model and also much larger dataset
torpid star
torpid star
It's impressive MJ is able to compete with Dalle considering Dalle is a much lar...
it is
quasi mantle
Anyway, AI is cool, yeah
broken sigil
system admin the grape
torpid star
oh
how were those words even put together and then fed into MJ?
lol
we got some lore here
quasi mantle
`system admin the grape`
Try for prompt like father shooting his kid
broken sigil
well that's gonna get me flagged instantly lol
torpid star
artistic censorship smh
primal summit
Just awake and I'm already physically abused
Hahaha shit
my advice is always to defend oneself with unyielding force of action
quasi mantle
Gotta show that domestic vulgar display of power
quasi mantle
my advice is always to defend oneself with unyielding force of action
Whatever that means
primal summit
swing for crits and don't stop
quasi mantle
Don't stop for how long, 10 fricking years?
primal summit
eyes, joints, soft areas full of nerves, until you have no energy left or they're not moving
quasi mantle
Until I ended my own life?
torpid star
you are being the emo skype emoji rn
primal summit
I presume said abuse comes from another
torpid star
quasi mantle
"hur dur asian parent stereotype isn't real lmao"
primal summit
legality and safety of following said advice may vary by situation and location
still thicket
damn bro this server is unreal
broken sigil
damn bro this server is unreal
still thicket
uhh what
broken sigil
Yes
Also welcome 😅
broken sigil
They are also new 🤷♂️
bleak remnant
yes
still thicket
because mjworld
deep copper
but which one's <@926083750276780073>?
i will be the one you like!
still thicket
where do I go to show off the sprites I've made for my game so far
(yes its gonna be made using unreal engine)
primal summit
#work-in-progress probably
still thicket
thanks
now where do i go to get people to tell me to just make more sprites already
jk
still thicket
deep copper
now where do i go to get people to tell me to just make more sprites already
just make more sprites already!
slim atlas
WHAT THE FUCK
WATCH TO THE END
WHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT
absolutly cursed
love this
and the cutting feature
broken sigil
https://twitter.com/geordiemhall/status/1551105117247913985?s=20&t=a8ZdU0PmsoQhQ...
Lol I absolutely love that
slim atlas
😄
left granite
🍇
broken sigil
These are perfect contenders for a pfp for someone, just saying 👀
deep copper
https://twitter.com/geordiemhall/status/1551105117247913985?s=20&t=a8ZdU0PmsoQhQ...
this looks so cool yet so resource intensive!
deep copper
that's sweet!
slim atlas
yesterday i worked out
and today i have issues
my vision is all wonky
and i feel like falling over 😄
tired even tho i slept really well
ancient ingot
🤣
cursive crypt
supple apex
!8ball Should grape be banned from this server manny?
turbid spindleBOT
@supple apex, :8ball: Outlook good.
supple apex
I assume that's a yes.
ancient ingot
it'll never happen
cursive crypt
TIL: there are cpus with 50 Tbit/sec bandwidth and Machine learning & co are moving inside digital (e.g. ddos firewalls)
kinda exciting
soft night
!8ball should raccoon eat all the grapes
turbid spindleBOT
@soft night, :8ball: Yes – definitely.
supple apex
!8ball should racoon be banned along with grapes?
turbid spindleBOT
@supple apex, :8ball: Cannot predict now.
ancient ingot
!8ball should i make a fruit shooter?
turbid spindleBOT
@ancient ingot, :8ball: As I see it, yes.
ancient ingot
😐
supple apex
Fruit ninja sells, maybe fruit shooter is a good idea 🤔
supple apex
Set in a post apocalyptic world where everybody turned into grape zombies, your protagonist is naturally immune to the grape virus and got no choice but to cleanse the world from the tainted grapish hordes...
left granite
that's his dinner
deep glen
some of em are
deep copper
.. only some ?
deep glen
depends on the chicken. most of them are pettable though
deep glen
im very pettable
supple apex
The last time I got within the vicinity a chicken, they run, fast and messy runners. Not sure how to catch em.
deep glen
these kind of chickens dont really run away and are distracted quickly.
supple apex
What kind of chicken are those?
Bred for food/eggs?
deep glen
nah, the owner just has these chickens as companions. she also has peacocks, geese, ducks, some Himalayan shepherd dogs, and horses.
Silkie chickens btw
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-1glHqscMg4/maxresdefault.jpg
supple apex
Cuddly looking.
"Silkies are well known for their calm, friendly temperament. It is among the most docile of poultry."
That explain things.
tulip orbit
primal summit
why are they so cuddly, i am guessing selective breeding
Yep, show birds with a tendency to brood everything loosely egg-shaped. People actually put diapers on them and keep them as pets. Mine aren't silkies, pets, or cuddlable. Grab them off a roost at night or corner them during the day to handle them, wear leather gloves for at least the rooster, and he's just a bantam.
our flock early on
supple apex
our flock early on
South america?
primal summit
north
this is why wearing gloves helps...
not my rooster or photo, same breed though
primal summit
South america?
east-central NM in the desert southwest US
deep copper
this is why wearing gloves helps...
that's... way too scary 😨
i see why people say they came from dinosaurs
deep copper
our flock early on
but have you petted any of these 😍
it's still feather so it should be super soft
primal summit
I have caught most of them a few times as they got cooped after losses to coyotes, then moved to larger coops and runs
primal summit
i see why people say they came from dinosaurs
there's one breed that gets 2.5 feet tall and 12lbs for the roosters
primal summit
but have you petted any of these 😍
I have not, the feathers aren't downy soft but they're not hard or sharp
glacial finch
What programs are generally used for controller support for old games on steam? i've read about a lot, but is there one standard, safe ol' reliable?
knotty skiff
https://twitter.com/geordiemhall/status/1551105117247913985?s=20&t=a8ZdU0PmsoQhQ...
Absolutely love that, I like that a lot
knotty skiff
https://tenor.com/view/blackberry-fruit-gif-11080685
Grape Evolution near us
slim atlas
deep copper
proud jay
when a digital file is 10 cents more expensive than a physically printed and shipped book 😭
fleet tangle
Lol
Can't wait for the days when you get the ebook free when you order the physical copy.
proud jay
probably at the same time where if you buy a game on steam you can play it on your console as well
aka never
fleet tangle
🙂
neat sluice
probably at the same time where if you buy a game on steam you can play it on yo...
If you buy a game on Steam, you get it on Epic Store as well
proud jay
I don't think you do?
slim atlas
you dont
neat sluice
Just adding to the list of things that'll never happen
proud jay
oh I see
foggy path
when you buy a game on GOG you actually own the game, unlike when you buy it on Steam (or Epic I guess for that matter) :P
slim atlas
you can trust me.
neat sluice
Do you want to play my game?
What's it about?
proud jay
about stealing your data
foggy path
are you the developer of bitcoin simulator
neat sluice
about stealing your data
You mean facebook .. cough..
foggy path
Thank god, NFTs didn't make it into gaming (at least not yet)
sweet summer child
there's an entire "web3 game industry" out there
:P
foggy path
rainbow six siege had some nft collectors skin or something
so ubi didn't end up backing off with that then? 🤔
proud jay
not sure
just read the press release
I don't actually have the game, so don't follow it
deep copper
is it Monday for dieter? 🤔
proud jay
why would it be
deep copper
no well, you don't visit #lounge during weekends
it felt off
i have been estimating whether it's weekend or not based on your appearance/disappearence here
proud jay
you could just look at your calendar?
deep copper
why would i 😄
i can see the day on my phone as well, just a swipe away
in the notification bar thingy
but,
there's no reason to! other than your disappearence
neat sluice
there's an entire "web3 game industry" out there
Well then,
Thank god, I don't know about it!
primal summit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623397377272840192/699489469782556692/kyq...
I require this product for reasons.
neat sluice
btw did you hear about Unity/Ironsource merger?
primal summit
I have a rodent problem and my neck is insufficiently flexible to allow me to see the entirety of a pickaxe swing.
neat sluice
I guess you all did, just asking 😅
primal summit
yep
neat sluice
unity is fully dead.
I wouldn't call it fully dead
slim atlas
the body in the grave already dried up
neat sluice
the body in the grave already dried up
Unity'
proud jay
Unity has been sliding for a while
I think in the future it will not be considered for anything but mobile games stealing people's money
neat sluice
the body in the grave already dried up
Unity's primary source of revenue was Ad money anyway, so merging with an Ad Provider kinda makes sense
It just sucks that Iron Source has a history of making borderline malware and stuff
neat sluice
unreal is the big bear
Unreal doesn't need to do anything to Unity, lol
Unity's shooting themselves in the foot
proud jay
I think unreal will never be considered main tooling for 2d games though
neat sluice
wait till you see godot
I don't have any views on Godot since I've never used it
proud jay
so Godot can fill that market
neat sluice
so Godot can fill that market
Exactly
neat sluice
It's not high fidelity graphics and tech, but it gets the job done in 2D Games and Mobile games
neat sluice
unity simply was first
You still can't deny Unreal is just not that much suited for 2D
You're better of using Unity or Godot
slim atlas
you can make websites with ue4.
proud jay
doesn't mean you can that you should though
slim atlas
careful
or i have one of my guys infiltrate your facility
we shut of your shields
and then we jump into your system
and surprise attack you!
proud jay
is your dad Bill Gates per chance?
neat sluice
might I offer an alternative to the knife fight?
Scratch?
neat sluice
cryengine
I have yet to come across something that was made in CryEngine 🤔
Other than FarCry and Crysis ofc
proud jay
indeed not a knife fight
it's a shotgun fight with your foot when using CryEngine
the name implies the usage
primal summit
primal summit
I have yet to come across something that was made in CryEngine 🤔
Other than Fa...
hunt
proud jay
Amazon Lumberyard was based on CryEngine
proud jay
but also, it's dead now
neat sluice
How about the Ultimate method
Make your own game engine
primal summit
a buddy of mine loves games made with cryengine as beautiful, but develops with unity
slim atlas
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gusty star
I'm gonna miss compiling in the editor in unity, aka hot reloading but ill live without it
primal summit
click the link below
slim atlas
its toally save
deep copper
we need a warm reload
gusty star
So wait, Im a total unreal noob but im keen to learn. do you have to recompile the entirety of the engine every time you make a simple change or do you simply recompile the module your working on?
proud jay
no
neat sluice
we need a warm reload
What we need is C# support
The day Unreal gets official C# support is the day Unity will be fully dead
proud jay
you use a binary build of the engine probably instead of source build
primal summit
I DM YOU EVEN
it's legit if someone takes the time to type a lovingly hand-crafted personal message and then goes back and fixes the autocorrects to say what they really mean
proud jay
but even if you use source build, you only compile the engine if you ever change engine code
neat sluice
I've come across SOOO MANY people who are hesitant to switch to Unreal only because C#
proud jay
but also there is live coding, that can handle updates to function bodies (not constructor) without closing editor
most of the time™️
in any case don't do hot reloads
gusty star
just wow lol
thats crazy
definitently turnign on live coding. knowing me ill probably accidentally corrupt my project lol
neat sluice
thats crazy
In Other words, working with C++ in Unreal is a PITA
proud jay
not really
neat sluice
I mean compared to other engines (Unity)
gusty star
Theres some jank for sure it seems but it doesn't seem too bad workflow wise
proud jay
still not really
gusty star
and maybe the whole lack of hot reloading forces you to plan your code more carefully
proud jay
in unity c# is the scripting language, a fairer comparison would be to compare c# in unity to blueprint in unreal
in unreal, your c++ code is kinda on the same footing as the engine
gusty star
which means more power to do whatever right?
proud jay
among other things
neat sluice
in unity c# is the scripting language, a fairer comparison would be to compare c...
the compile times are what killed my interest in C++
proud jay
another interesting read if you're coming from unity, or just new to unreal in general really https://landelare.github.io/2022/07/16/unity-starter-pack.html
gusty star
cuz honestly unity was chill but I was making a 2d isometric city builder and needed to do some really janky shit to serialize a monobehaviour in XML
neat sluice
On the same machine, Unity takes few seconds, Unreal can take 2-10 minutes per compile
proud jay
that's just c++ vs c# though
not unreal specific
and like I said, the c# in unity is closer to BP
neat sluice
That's why C# support would be great
gusty star
interesting
proud jay
but they're working on a custom scripting language
unreal verse
been in talks for a few years
neat sluice
So, Performance wise, C# and Blueprint are about the same?
proud jay
but engine source changes suggest it coming soon within a few minor engine versions
foggy path
sadly verse looks pretty bad but I guess we'll see
proud jay
didn't say that either though
foggy path
I hope they listen to the critique
proud jay
BP runs in a VM, so there's always some overhead
deep copper
what's bad about verse?
foggy path
there are bits of the syntax that looks pretty iffy
deep copper
is it like js or something
proud jay
what's the common critique, only ever seen the code in that tweet
foggy path
oh only if it was like JS that would be better lol
proud jay
ngl the ? on conditions is wild
deep copper
ternary ?
foggy path
Yeah the ? is weird... I would love to ask the language designer why they use that there...
neat sluice
didn't say that either though
What's your average compile time?
deep copper
i recall when i used ue years ago i got it to say "estimated compile time" or something as 4 days and since then i never looked into it
fairly certain i did something very wrong
neat sluice
I really want to work in C++, but having to wait 5+ minutes for every compilation just kills productivity
foggy path
have you tried livecoding?
neat sluice
have you tried livecoding?
don't think so
foggy path
even a full editor restart compile doesn't really take that long on my pc but livecoding is even faster
gusty star
wtf the syntax for verse is crazy. whats with the ? and ^ operators lol?
proud jay
What's your average compile time?
depends what I'm compiling lol
working on my job's codebase, can be anywhere between 20 seconds and 90 minutes
deep copper
live coding != hot reload?
neat sluice
working on my job's codebase, can be anywhere between 20 seconds and 90 minutes
I once added a new function (no header changes) and it took like 10 minutes 🥲
foggy path
how do you add a new function without changing the headers 🤔
deep copper
are nested functions a thing?
proud jay
live coding != hot reload?
no
neat sluice
how do you add a new function without changing the headers 🤔
my bad, guess I'm just bad at remembering things
foggy path
heh
neat sluice
So, I did change headers
foggy path
what kind of specs do you have if it's that slow?
neat sluice
But still, 10+ minutes is long
proud jay
it depends on hardware, and code structure, and how many changes you make in one compile
like if you never forward declare, and you have a type that is used all over the place, of course if you update that type, the compilation times are going to be long
gusty star
isn't there some xkcd about programmers *given free reign to be dicking around while their code is compiling lol?
neat sluice
what kind of specs do you have if it's that slow?
pretty much a low end pc
I'm guessing that's why it's so slow
foggy path
I have like a 6-7 year old CPU with UE stuff on an SSD 🤔
neat sluice
8 gigs of Ram, 4G graphics, (I don't remember the Processor)
foggy path
but tbh the CPU was pretty high end when it was new
gusty star
I have a ryzen 5 3600, 16 gbs of ram and a single fan 1660 super (phoenix edition)
neat sluice
I have like a 6-7 year old CPU with UE stuff on an SSD 🤔
I do have UE on a SSD
gusty star
haven't run UE yet but heres to hoping it doesn't chug
neat sluice
Guess I gotta upgrade
gusty star
ye
tho if you're switching to the newer zen 4 architecture you probably have to do a full rebuild cuz the mobo processor slot is different afaik
gfx card prices are coming back down tho
unfortunately the rest of the economy is also shit lol
deep copper
gusty star
my graphics card was 563 canadian right as prices ramped up and now its at 429 canadian
and 2060 supers are still alright for the price
proud jay
they tried to cancel orders for RTX40xx series actually
gusty star
ye the 40xx cards are coming, might be worth holding out for them or a 30xx
but the 20xx are still decent value for the money
and idk the power draw on the 40xx cards is kinda insane
noble plaza
Spent half my Sunday setting up Perforce 😐 At least it's done and I can make YOLO changes now 💪
proud jay
it think sometine like a 2060 is pretty decent bang for your buck atm
trail wedge
carmine frigate
2060 is kinda old allready
gusty star
better than a 1060 or a 1660 tho xD
and 1060s are pretty popular (according to steam user stats)
or maybe its 1080s, i forget
carmine frigate
with the crypto crash u might be able to get a used card for decent price... but ppl often ask way more than a used comp part should go for
but desperate times for some ppl 😛
gusty star
yeah lol
carmine frigate
if they have 200 to sell and cant pay their power bill fuck them 😛
trail wedge
(because this emoji matches your pfp)
pfp?
gusty star
my one buddy still thinks he can get scalper prices for his 2060 that hes used for a couple years lol
but that window has passed for sure
carmine frigate
i dont see mining becoming profitable any time soon with Europe gas prices and crash
noble plaza
It was just the initial out of stock shock, where people sold PCs expecting to get a 3000, but then had to backtrack and buy a used 2000 one
carmine frigate
that shit is super dead
gusty star
ye
maybe crypto mining is profitable if you're using coal for energy and paying little for it, but otherwise its dead as long as energy costs what it does now (and this ignores the huge environmental externalities of coal lol)
carmine frigate
noble plaza
I had a 3080 just chilling in the peak of hype times and I just couldn't bring myself to mine
Just using up power and outputting heat to do intentionally computationally expensive tasks that benefit no one, for 'passive income'. Just gross
carmine frigate
same.. that compute can be used for renders and crap
gusty star
ye.
i thought about joining a miner pool and downloaded the .exe but never ran it
plus the nft and crypto crowd is insufferable
gusty star
https://tenor.com/view/snow-jon-snow-game-of-thrones-kit-harrington-winter-is-co...
idk how germany is gonna get thru it without that sweet sweet russian LNG
noble plaza
You would be too if your life savings depended on other people buying into your artificial hype haha
gusty star
yeah, greater fool theory and all that eh?
carmine frigate
coal prolly
noble plaza
If only nuclear was a thing ya know
primal summit
idk how germany is gonna get thru it without that sweet sweet russian LNG
coal
noble plaza
But more likely just cave and fire up the pipelines again. Fuck Caucasus anyway lol
carmine frigate
well the pipes aint closed yet
primal summit
it was decreed, bring coal plants back online instead of bringing some nice, clean fission reactors back up
noble plaza
I mean I respect the ideology and attempt at doing the right thing at least
gusty star
nuclear is political suicide tho tbh, people are so scared of it
carmine frigate
cold fusion is where the fun really starts
noble plaza
People are scared of it why, because of Chernobyl? USSR and post-Soviet countries were such a fucking mess, hard to re-create that incompetence
gusty star
probably Fukushima too
primal summit
because waste storage and think of the children
noble plaza
Nuclear is like planes. It's safer than the normal transport modes (cars and the likes) on average, but when it goes wrong... It goes really wrong
primal summit
hey, don't forget 3 mile island and the demon core
carmine frigate
People are scared of it why, because of Chernobyl? USSR and post-Soviet countrie...
from what i heared the biggest nuke plant in europe is bein used as ammo dump and launch site atm
so thats great
noble plaza
Yeah our PM was being accosted about climate change during bush fires.
He brought in a lump of coal and said that was the country's future in his hands lol
Fuck this country.
gusty star
Coal definitely ruins the air quality too, look at China and rates of some of the respiratory illnesses and shit (related to AQ)
primal summit
Nuclear is like planes. It's safer than the normal transport modes (cars and the...
and even when it goes really wrong the number of people impacted by radiation is less than a single day's coal mine or hydroelectric plant effects
noble plaza
Affect is a nebulous word, nuclear can be more dangerous over a shorter term I guess
carmine frigate
nah a full blown meltdown is really bad
gusty star
radiation poisioning is an awful way to go tho, look at that one japanese guy exposed to the largest recorded dose.... yikes
noble plaza
We'd just have automated control systems suppressing most risks of runaway cores and the likes
primal summit
how many people died or suffered radiation poisoning from fukashima?
noble plaza
If we actually cared to invest any money into it before Russia decided to go back to being Rsusia
pearl elk
its not a rush... ia
gusty star
how many people died or suffered radiation poisoning from fukashima?
google is tellign me no one died directly, but some workers have since died of cancer
noble plaza
how many people died or suffered radiation poisoning from fukashima?
Wasn't Fukushima bad because of its proximity to water, not so much the severity of the incident?
gusty star
Wasn't Fukushima bad because of its proximity to water, not so much the severity...
ye, its more-so due to the release of contaminated waste water into the ocean that made it so shitty. But it also created a fair bit of contaimanted material in general (earth/dirt, etc)
carmine frigate
Fukushima could have been a lot worse
primal summit
fukashima was bad because they were warned it'd happen and how and didn't move the diesel generators
gusty star
and ye tepco being super negligent
i dont think they even manage the plant anymore tho
pearl elk
Fukushima was bad because it wasnt very geologically stable
noble plaza
Zeppelin mounted nuclear plants, got it
pearl elk
not a good idea to build big bangy thinggys near earth got crack and boom thinggys
primal summit
I'd happily live next to a nuclear power plant if it wasn't for all the cameras and security monitoring
gusty star
aren't US navy carriers nuclear powered? if its good enough for the US navy....
primal summit
aren't US navy carriers nuclear powered? if its good enough for the US navy....
and submarines
carmine frigate
Im not a real fan of nuke powered war machines
pearl elk
water insulates radiation
noble plaza
Invest in space steel making stonks when you can I guess
The shipwrecks are the current last bastion of non-radioactive iron
gusty star
what is non-radioactive iron used for? sensitive components/instruments?
carmine frigate
iron is super common thos, u can get it everywhere
pearl elk
its okay we're all poisoned with teflon by product so we're screwed
noble plaza
gusty star
honestly im all for space-faring humanity
but the most recent nasa studies on bone density loss in space are really concerning
seems like a bit of a hard limit
fleet tangle
Caused by lack of gravity?
pearl elk
you only need bones if you come back to Earth 🤔
noble plaza
All you've gotta do is whirl right?
gusty star
Caused by lack of gravity?
i think so yeah
noble plaza
They were investigating, essentially, a centrifuge chamber for constant gravitational force on astronauts haha
gusty star
you only need bones if you come back to Earth 🤔
pretty much. its a one way ticket as it stands.
fleet tangle
Just get that centrifugal force going!
primal summit
Do they know why? I know the assumption is lack of force on the bones, but is that the only cause, and what is the mechanism between cause and effect?
pearl elk
did you know the moon is perfect for growing weed, it has a better light cycle and the lesser gravity means the plants will grow massive
so once that starts up I know where Im going to work
gusty star
Soylent Green but with more hemp rofl
fleet tangle
Just set up some hydroponics and you're sorted, eh?
gusty star
Do they know why? I know the assumption is lack of force on the bones, but is th...
I didn't dig too far, ill look into it in a bit. they probably publicized the research
pearl elk
no need to pass the dutchie when the whole hab is one big space man
noble plaza
Do they know why? I know the assumption is lack of force on the bones, but is th...
Dense, heavy skeletons evolved in response to leaving the water. Makes sense the reverse happens, but it is rather quick
gusty star
ironically hemp was used/grown frequently in like colonial times cuz you could make rope with it and you needed hella rope for ships and rigging
primal summit
no need to pass the dutchie when the whole hab is one big space man
I'll be on the non-smoking hab on the other side of the solar system.
gusty star
as funny as it is, i doubt smoking in a space station is realistic. oxygen seems to precious too waste on combustion and shiet.
noble plaza
ironically hemp was used/grown frequently in like colonial times cuz you could m...
I'm just imagining someone downing a bottle of gin fighting the Epic skeleton's ragdoll behaviour now
primal summit
still, I'll be chilling with the people doing interesting work with clear heads
carmine frigate
my hab will have blackjack and hookers
pearl elk
we're gonna make a manly scent for people to wear, it'll be called Elons Musk, combination of armpit, afterglow and mary jane
noble plaza
Sex in space would be mad
primal summit
my hab will have blackjack and hookers
I'll visit
gusty star
i bet you stimulants would be more likely given that they are already used by military flight crews, and space has long had that naval/air force vibe to it.
noble plaza
Over time unlock more and more freaky positions because you're losing your bones
gusty star
but honestly psychosis in space would be horrifying
carmine frigate
verry heavy hookers due to low grav
gusty star
SpAce MaDneSs!!!!
primal summit
verry heavy hookers due to low grav
light, but high mass
noble plaza
Now I want to watch WALL-E with their zipped around blob people
primal summit
so, who here's familiar with project orion?
gusty star
theres also NERVA
pearl elk
rhombopsychosis
I have no idea what it is but I saw it on a scifi once and it sounded amazing
gusty star
which was considered to be a massive success, but was cancelled by nixon -_-
primal summit
detonate nuclear bombs behind your ship to push it forward
pearl elk
I do that after I eat chilli
gusty star
NERVA is similar, nuclear based propulsion. but it uses a reactor.
the designs are wild
pearl elk
which was considered to be a massive success, but was cancelled by nixon -_-
one might say it was nixed
carmine frigate
@primal summit the universe is on Orions belt
gusty star
i laughed too hard at that
slim atlas
tell your entire story tango.
unreal valve
Cops in india are not like the one shown in movies
gusty star
bollywood lied 😲 ?
slim atlas
tango here is being blackmailed by his cousin, to make ue5 game.
listen to this story guys.
gusty star
oh shit, thats pretty serious
carmine frigate
unreal valve
Ok so i used to be a independent dev
I got kicked by 4 Studios so now I work alone
And my cousin who is 5 years older than me is also a game dev
timber viper
Four studios or 4Studios? 
slim atlas
both.
unreal valve
So what happened was that he started a studio with his friends and took me in
And i started working on my own projects called Just Chaos
An open world game
And they agreed to focus on it as its pretty darn cool
I made cars, vehicles, planes, helicopters and some other stuff
But when it came to main aspect of game like combat they want to use a pack for a third person shooting character
So i am looking for a pack like this for 2 days
I found some cheap paid ones and he was like pay yourself or find a free one
I went to his house today to beat him
But me being a typical indian programmer I was fat and also a pretty darn cool rapper and i got beaten instead of me beating him
So i just came here for help
slim atlas
WHAT IS THIS STORY
deep copper
it's like on some cliff hanger rn
carmine frigate
i think google translate messed up on this1
slim atlas
this is what i had to deal with the entire day
tango was in another server for an third person shooter kit
begging to get it for free
unreal valve
Yeah
slim atlas
your story is crazy
gusty star
yeah this is wild
deep copper
their status says it all, if you don't see them online assume they died...
carmine frigate
it does have backstory.. action scenes and a big plot twist
unreal valve
it does have backstory.. action scenes and a big plot twist
Bruh wth
I Just want to finish this game to get a job at my favourite studio
deep copper
either way, first take care of your body
slim atlas
noone gets a job at their favorite studio XD
deep copper
if you got beaten it's better to , first aid
pearl elk
and thus began programmer rap battles season 1
carmine frigate
violence is not the answer here
slim atlas
YOU NEVER HEAR SUCH A STORY OUT OF GERMANY
gusty star
yeah, if he attacks you, defend yourself. but don't attack him, it won't solve any problems.
unreal valve
YOU NEVER HEAR SUCH A STORY OUT OF GERMANY
You only hear it in Haridwar
The most stupid town in India
deep copper
well it does have "war" in its name...
pearl elk
they call him john c-nah because you cant c him, hit the gym, bro you know, liek chigga chigga boom boom j-scripta in the hizzouse
carmine frigate
how about rap on the street about that story u just told and make money for the 3rd person pack?
im reading the story again but now in rap
pearl elk
third person packs are whack like why you even rap bronah we got like lambos no lone nah
primal summit
not all gods are good, kind, and benevolent
unreal valve
well it does have "war" in its name...
For example only after 1 week of my Grandfather's death my grandmother became normal like if nothing happened
Also she only fake cries when someone talks about him
pearl elk
get low brah, fo sho bra, and like Ice Cube once said, check your contract or go broke yah
carmine frigate
well its normal to pick up ur old life again... if not its all downhill from there
primal summit
For example only after 1 week of my Grandfather's death my grandmother became no...
not too uncommon over here, especially if the marriage was having issues
unreal valve
you only find these stories in gamedev discords.
slim atlas
and reddit...
unreal valve
and reddit...
gusty star
yeah hoenstly if it makes you feel better my grandma and grandpa have been divorced for as long as i can remember and my grandpa used to pick up and party with hookers so your mileage may vary
pearl elk
whats reddit
soft night
slim atlas
my grandma died yesterday
pearl elk
is that some socialist social media?
primal summit
so, I'm not seeing the blackmail, extortion, or police...
unreal valve
my grandma died yesterday
Wish that happened here
slim atlas
we werent really close tbh.
carmine frigate
shit is real dark overthere
gusty star
ah your grandma lives in the same house as well? thats too bad that your relationship isn't good then :/
timber viper
So what happened was that he started a studio with his friends and took me in
A...
I went to his house today to beat him
I was fat and also a pretty darn cool rapper and i got beaten instead of me beating him
pearl elk
phat battle rapper
gusty star
but i mean its not only on you to build that relationship right? shes atleast 50% of it if not more since shes your elder
pearl elk
smallie bigs
unreal valve
shit is real dark overthere
Bruh
My grandfather couldn't talk because of his stroke
And now she took an advantage of it
From making sounds from utensils also just making our life hell
And when he died she only did drama
gusty star
thats rough dude, i hope you're alright. were you close with your grandfather?
unreal valve
She says that she took care of him but god took him away
unreal valve
thats rough dude, i hope you're alright. were you close with your grandfather?
He was a Goodman
I wish he got a good woman not this monster
She just keeps eating all day
pearl elk
deep copper
He was a Goodman
I wish he got a good woman not this monster
unlucky fellow 😔
i grant him a spiritual hug 🫂
pearl elk
well if you need someone gone we offer that service... for a price
unreal valve
After my grandfather's death she says that I've probably loosened weight but its not true
She litrally cant even walk properly
When we were taking my grandfather to hospital
I walked him to the car
That man who couldn't even walk properly had walked her
And she says she helped him walk
In reality she can't walk properly
deep copper
well if you need someone gone we offer that service... for a price
can i go with you?
gusty star
thats too bad dude, thats hella rough :/
unreal valve
If i had a gun in my hand
I would've shot this woman already
unreal valve
well if you need someone gone we offer that service... for a price
Then i can pay
😈
deep copper
you need to save up for the animation pack
unreal valve
Oh yeah
pearl elk
just add a note to your purchase of the death anim pack with the address
unreal valve
Eyyo wt
deep copper
i guess tell them where to apply the death animation
or get a live capture of animation idk
unreal valve
I'll find a pack for tps character real soon
Also did you try the point to click pack?
Its pretty darn cool
Its free for the month
carmine frigate
whats that free animation thing called again
unreal valve
whats that free animation thing called again
Which?
carmine frigate
there is a free pack its pretty good, but a bit convoluted
AOL?
ALKS
ALS
advanced locomotion system
unreal valve
ALS? That u want to say?
carmine frigate
yea
unreal valve
Cant add it to existing project
unreal valve
I have an idea
I will make my own and tell him I purchased it
😈
I know how to make a weapon systems like PUBG
pearl elk
ALS aint bad, I have a version of that I use with weapon component
primal summit
I will make my own and tell him I purchased it
make it, put it on the market, buy it with the company card
pearl elk
tbh thats the hardest part about packs is trying to integrate systems which were designed with no knowledge of interconnectedness
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1895623370624892/permalink/1993718244148737/
Been a few of these discussions happening, some artists are getting abit defensive about their field
carmine frigate
yuck facebook link
pearl elk
its public, you dont have to login
pearl elk
discord tracks your click to any link too shrugs
so does twitter, reddit etc etc
welcome to the internet
carmine frigate
facebook is on a whole diffrent level 😛
pearl elk
yeah its run by the CIA
I remember that meme from 15 years ago
but if youd rather not use facebook thats fine, I cant really go into the discussion posted there as I dont want to duplicate it all here
pearl elk
yeah for twitter simpletons yes
if you want actual discussion with words
the link is there
carmine frigate
but its facebook link
deep copper
this is the image but the comments say a lot more there
pearl elk
the comments are better than the image hence the link
carmine frigate
but wil the AI buy my NFTs?
deep copper
this makes me wonder, we don't have any nueron like AIs?
they seem to believe humans are more , innovative, so ai can't catch up .. yet
carmine frigate
well that MJ AI does some good mashups, can get inspiration from it but the art itself is not that great
broken sigil
👁️
carmine frigate
also you can see it steals parts sometimes
deep copper
i suppose we don't have any proper art making ai yet, a truly innovative one, but if we did, would we even be able to comprehend that art 🤔
primal summit
this makes me wonder, we don't have any nueron like AIs?
AI neural nets (at least the old ones), are based off basic brain structures, like neurons, axions, and the like. Your question may lack understanding or be phrased poorly.
deep copper
AI neural nets (at least the old ones), are based off basic brain structures, li...
most probably both
i recall hearing the term neural Ai etc but from reading the comments there, it seems as if it's not truly neuron like ? i suppose that's because the training data is not the same as what an irl human experiences or something
broken sigil
Neural networks basically try to imitate how a brain works
primal summit
deep copper
okay cool i know a few terms from that image!
primal summit
and I frankly object to the phrase artificial intelligence
they're complex additive systems that demonstrate interesting and novel results when fed interesting and novel information
intelligent? nah, no innovation or self-stimulation or stimulation-seeking, just an input-output system
getting closer though
broken sigil
Current models lack neuroplasticity, yes they can learn but don't have a way of forming new neurons and connections which human brain does
deep copper
ah, that clears a few things.
so when ai learns to ... reflect on it's actions in a self stimulating and judging manner, only then would it become "intelligent " ?
primal summit
I'm a believer that one needs an environment of constant stimulus that can be interacted with and that can't be fully processed, nor fully known, to develop intelligence
slim atlas
everytime i tell someone how a thing works and stuff...
am i expected to guide them through the setup?
like google the words i gave you
primal summit
is that to me?
primal summit
I'm a believer that one needs an environment of constant stimulus that can be in...
conciousness comes from self-stimulation
slim atlas
no
deep copper
am i expected to guide them through the setup?
"take responsibility of the words you gave me"
slim atlas
general
take that guy in ue5 i answered
bet you i have to explain him everything.
in excrutiating detail
deep copper
this is why i never answer
slim atlas
yes right?
deep copper
well I don't know anything either but
slim atlas
hesitant
deep copper
conciousness comes from self-stimulation
that's a rather interesting take, i recall watching a lot of vids about how weird humans get when they lack stimulus in an environment
slim atlas
i am not getting paid enough to be here and help.
fleet tangle
So you just steal the kudos instead!
broken sigil
ah, that clears a few things.
so when ai learns to ... reflect on it's actions i...
ML at the moment requires enormous datasets, it has to be guided whole way through the learning process
To truly be intelligent it needs to be able to learn on it's own
Lets take MJ, it doesn't currently actively learn from generated images
True intelligence would be if you tell it to generate a hand and it generates a deformed one and says oh crap I really F*ed up this one, I should try better next time
An alternative is to have the person generating tell it how close it was,l and have it learn from that, that's not true intelligence in my opinion, it's still guided by a human
carmine frigate
trial by combat
slim atlas
i want to combat blue man by trial.
deep copper
i am afraid the combat would be slightly shifted towards orange
this is their territory,( +buff on ue server)
broken sigil
i want to combat blue man by trial.
You can have an ai painting
deep copper
ML at the moment requires enormous datasets, it has to be guided whole way throu...
ML?
primal summit
ML at the moment requires enormous datasets, it has to be guided whole way throu...
excellent description!
deep copper
machine learning?
slim atlas
hes ignoring me 😦
broken sigil
machine learning?
Yep
slim atlas
i demand trial by slapping each other with a wet fish
deep copper
ML at the moment requires enormous datasets, it has to be guided whole way throu...
that's so sad, it's like teaching a dead person... okay it is dead xD
deep copper
i demand trial by slapping each other with a wet fish
mention grapes, he loves them
ask him to generate a grape pfp for you
slim atlas
if you combat me by slapping each other by fish, ill gift you grapes @broken sigil
primal summit
that's so sad, it's like teaching a dead person... okay it is dead xD
if it were alive, how would you feel about turning it on and off on demand?
pearl elk
Isnt that a nintendo ad
deep copper
if it were alive, how would you feel about turning it on and off on demand?
.. excited ? though if it's painful i probably would be hesitant
pearl elk
Better than a slap in the face with a wet fish
primal summit
If the mobs in your game have too realistic a simulation behind them, do you feel bad resolving the guard between you and the jewels? What if you find out after the game's over?
pearl elk
I havent seen a nintendo ad in awhile, they had those switch ones
primal summit
like game over, now you get to see the huge game world and how your actions had a rippling effect from start to finish throughout an entire simulated city?
zinc matrix
Unreal broke my laptop
pearl elk
like game over, now you get to see the huge game world and how your actions had ...
You mean like killing a guard to find out he has a wife and child at home who get kicked out in the cold cuz they can afford their house?
deep copper
like game over, now you get to see the huge game world and how your actions had ...
i recall watching memes where people do feel bad when they pick rude dialogues if they didn't mean to
so i am quite certain this would be really sad 😭
broken sigil
if you combat me by slapping each other by fish, ill gift you grapes <@261183265...
I'll reply in about 10min when MJ is back up again
pearl elk
Gah these slack AI artists, bet they'll unionise soon
slim atlas
I dont take kindly to being... delayed.
deep copper
take a quick nap
primal summit
You mean like killing a guard to find out he has a wife and child at home who ge...
yeah, and how much he loved her and they were trying to make ends meet, their kid just had a surgery, she was fired last week for being late one time too many, it was mostly stress from their son's medical issues, but this time she got cut off in traffic and missed a light. She was cut off by someone running late because of unexpected construction, barricades you put up during the heist prep, and now they're on the street. completely broke and helpless without the husband, who would have seen you coming if he wasn't distracted, crying into a picture of his family, wondering how they're going to make it.
something that really hits if you look deep enough
broken sigil
if you combat me by slapping each other by fish, ill gift you grapes <@261183265...
Only if I can use this fish as my weapon
