#low 1% fps

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robust pewter
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  • Show Task Manager > Performance > Memory (the part where your RAM speed shows up)
  • You have an obsolete (by today's standards) SSD. By definition, all SATA SSDs are.
karmic kindle
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and it would be stuttering on TAAs even more if it was the ssd no ?

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because i just find it weird that i'm not having any lags on heavy games that would require a proper M.2 SSD, even though on comp games who usually wouldn't require that much performance its just stuttering most of the time and doesn't feel smooth

robust pewter
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Wait. Your time spy score is flagged

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Why?

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(A normal run will have a green tick)

karmic kindle
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probably an adrenalin option which makes the graphics different, to get more fps and it doesnt count ?

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like different i mean tesselation or whatever

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for texture filtering its set on perf, and tesselation on amd optimized

robust pewter
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Can you redo your 3DMark with no driver tampering?

karmic kindle
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yuppp

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give me like 10-15 minutes so i reset the drivers and then install back 3DMark

robust pewter
karmic kindle
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and choosing a clean install

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but no matter what it says the driver isnt validated

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i installed them back 3 times, changed every setting back to default by hand but no

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can it be the driver version ?

robust pewter
karmic kindle
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i just don't get how i lost 500+ points over settings

deft crane
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Do you even know what does the settings do at the first place before touching them?

karmic kindle
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no overclocks at all

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super res : on (so i can get to higher resolutions than my screen)
frame gen : on (only on some supported games so its automatically activated)
anti-lag : on
texture filtering : performance
tesselation mode : amd optimized

virutal super resolution (for games without anti aliasing)
gpu rendering : on (like fsr)

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and also rebar on and thats it

robust pewter
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Change them to the "don't let AMD do anything" settings so that the only setting get flagged is that you're not on WHQL driver or it's green

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@deft crane

karmic kindle
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im on whql though

robust pewter
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OK. Still, your settings listed indicate that settings were changed...

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Please remove these changes and retest

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Your score may be lower. This is normal. We want this kind of score so we can make a proper check

karmic kindle
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i tried all three different installation modes

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with all of them on the clean install option

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didn't touch any of the settings

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and still always had the test flagged

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i know the texture filtering and tesselation mode can make it flagged but they were clearly on default

robust pewter
karmic kindle
robust pewter
karmic kindle
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i tried removing them already

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its still flagged

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before removing them it was saying that it was coming from those, now it just says that the driver isnt valid

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does a fan curve impact that ?

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because i think i have one on afterburner

robust pewter
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Now, resend the 3DMark results screenshot

karmic kindle
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i relaunch one or the old one ?

karmic kindle
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i'ma just relaunch one

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give me a sec

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i fcking did it

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but i don't get something

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why is there nobody else now

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and wait its weird, my graphical score is 1000 higher than before, and cpu is 400 lower

robust pewter
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You know how to use HWINFO?

compact loomBOT
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HWINFO has two modes, Summary and Sensors. Normally, when asked, you'll want to use the Sensors-only mode to get the information that may be needed (e.g. temperatures, power usage, clock speeds.)

When opening HWINFO, make sure to tick "Sensors-only" so that it does not open the summary display first. Then click Start.

On some hardware, HWINFO may ask if you want to monitor them or not, as there may be some potential conflicts if they were monitored. Usually these aren't important enough to matter if it's being monitored or not.

Once HWINFO's sensor status window open, look for the relevant sections and screenshot them. If you're unsure, screenshot the entire thing. This window is scrollable, so you'll need to scroll and take multiple screenshots.

If you know what you're doing, these are the items you'll probably need (names may vary; below are samples from Intel CPUs; some items may not exist for your particular system):

  • Core VIDs
  • CPU Package Temperature
  • Core Thermal Throttling
  • Package/Ring Thermal Throttling
  • CPU Package Power
  • PL1 Power Limit (Static)
  • PL2 Power Limit (Static)
  • MOS
  • VR VOUT
  • +12V
  • Vcore
  • CPU Fan
  • Pump Fan
  • GPU Temperature
  • GPU Hot-spot
  • GPU Core Clock
  • GPU Power
  • GPU +12V
  • GPU Fan
  • GPU Performance Limit Reasons
  • Windows Hardware Errors (WHEA)
karmic kindle
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yes i do

robust pewter
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have HWINFO open in the back in sensors-only mode. Run 3DMark once more, and show the contents of HWINFO after 3DMark finishes. I need the entire thing.

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(You'll need to scroll and take multiple screenshots.)

karmic kindle
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i know don't worry

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well give me a sec

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@robust pewter btw now my score is flagged again even though i didn't modify anything

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and the cpu score went up by 500 just randomly

robust pewter
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@deft crane what do you think? I noticed the SSD has an abnormally high amount of writes vs reads

deft crane
deft crane
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Also 2 more things

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  1. Is your bios updated to the latest?
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  1. What Windows version you are using?
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@karmic kindle

deft crane
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FFS How the hell I suppose to know how your run to run results are

karmic kindle
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im on 24 ??

karmic kindle
karmic kindle
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24H2

karmic kindle
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sorry

deft crane
compact loomBOT
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In order to understand your problem/issue further, we would like you to provide additional specs of your PC/Laptop. Please provide the following specs:

  • Laptop Model (If you are using a laptop)
  • CPU Model
  • Motherboard Model
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In addition to the following specs, we would like you to answer the following questions:

  • Have you reinstalled the Nvidia Drivers by removing them with DDU and reinstalling them by downloading the drivers manually and installing them?
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karmic kindle
deft crane
karmic kindle
deft crane
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alright 32gb, not an issue

deft crane
karmic kindle
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i didn't do any changes or whatsoever, and i know that without the fan curve im using, the gpu crashes on dx12 games

deft crane
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I actually need to see the graph and the runs of the 3D mark to see where the hitches or any abnormalities

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even better, upload the 3dmark results file here if you're lazy to screenshot

karmic kindle
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and 60°C for the cpu

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around yk

deft crane
karmic kindle
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i'll run it again and send it back

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though wait i might have one older

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they are all kinda the same

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like its from today

deft crane
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So I noticed you're on 1080p and using FSR

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I think you're having a CPU bottlenecks

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Could you try this

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crank up the settings instead for all games

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don't use low

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use high or ultra

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and see what's your framerate

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and disable FSR or any upscaling

karmic kindle
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well on valorant and cs its not changing anything

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fsr is kinda making me loses fps so i stopped using it since 3-4 days

deft crane
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the 6800 is a 1440p card

karmic kindle
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and for call of duty i have less fps but its more stable

deft crane
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Yeah that i5 is struggling

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crank up the settings as high as you can

karmic kindle
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should i disable frame gen ?

deft crane
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Hz?

karmic kindle
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1080p 165hz

karmic kindle
deft crane
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Above 70 FPS? NO

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Keep in mind you frame gen framerate MUST NOT EXCEED Monitor Hz

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YOU WILL HAVE STUTTERING

compact loomBOT
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  • Your input rate (base FPS) will stay the same or even be reduced, so although smoothness/motion clarity increases, input lag will not decrease even though the resulting FPS is higher. On slower GPUs, activating FG while GPU-limited will have a base FPS reduction which worsens input lag.
  • Most FG tech require or recommend Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling to be enabled.
  • If enabling Vsync via the NVIDIA App or Control Panel, the max FPS will be automatically set to a value slightly lower than the display max. Make sure that this value divided by your FG multiplier exceeds the minimum input FPS. (e.g. if your max FPS ends up being 120, 2x is ideal (60), 3x is acceptable (40), but 4x is not usable as its input rate is 30, which is less than 40).
  • To use FG with Vsync, enable it from the NVIDIA App/Control Panel. The in-game option will be non-functional.

Use the /latency command for further details on what's considered an acceptable latency. An acceptable base FPS is also listed for each FG tech, which likely will result in an average PC latency of around 75ms or less, if met.

DLSS FG

  • 40+ to 80+ (2x) / 120+ (3x) / 160+ (4x)
  • DLSS FG requires explicit game support.
  • DLSS FG (2x) requires a RTX 40 series GPU or newer.
  • DLSS MFG (3x and 4x) requires a RTX 50 series GPU or newer.
  • DLSS FG will automatically turn on NVIDIA Reflex with no option to turn it off.
  • On the newest model, VRAM usage increase is negligible with the 2x option, and slight to moderate for 3x and 4x.

Smooth Motion

  • 60+ to 120+
  • Smooth Motion can be applied to DirectX 11, DirectX 12, and Vulkan games from the NVIDIA App.
  • Smooth Motion requires a RTX 50 series GPU or newer. Support for RTX 40 series GPUs will arrive in a future update.
  • Smooth Motion will automatically set Low Latency Mode to On, with no option to adjust the setting.
  • Due to the way Smooth Motion works (at the very end of display chain of a game), the quality and latency impact will be worse than an in-engine FG implementation.
  • Best used in games that do not support FG, and especially ones with a hardcoded FPS cap.
  • Can be stacked with other FG methods.

FSR3 FG

  • 60+ to 120+
  • FSR3 FG requires explicit game support.
  • FSR3 FG recommends a RTX 20 series GPU or newer, or an AMD RX 5000 series or newer.
  • It is possible to replace DLSS FG with FSR3 FG in single-player games where needed (e.g. games that don't allow you to use DLSS SR with FSR3 FG).
  • VRAM usage is in between DLSS MFG x3 and x4.

Lossless Scaling

  • 60+ to 120+ (for x2)
  • Third party, paid software.
  • Due to the way Lossless Scaling works (at the very end of display chain of a game), the quality and latency impact will be significantly worse than an in-engine FG implementation.
  • Can be stacked with other FG methods.
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Exercise strong caution in the following situations before enabling frame generation; it may cause adverse effects in performance, frame pacing, and latency.

Low FPS
Your base input is your final displayed FPS divided by the FG factor.

  • Base input rate lower than 40 FPS for DLSS FG
  • Base input rate lower than 60 FPS for all other FG
  • Also check /latency for details on how much latency is too much

Low GPU Performance
You may be able to obtain a higher FPS using FSR3 FG, but you will forfeit latency reduction from Reflex, if you're currently using it.

  • A GPU slower than the equivalent of a 4060 Ti for 1080p
  • A GPU slower than the equivalent of a 4070/5060 Ti for 1440p
  • A GPU slower than the equivalent of a 4080/5070 Ti for 4K

Low VRAM

  • Enabling ray tracing will cause you to use about 1-2GB of extra VRAM, so be careful!

  • DLSS 4 x2 FG's VRAM impact is considered negligible and do not need to follow the below guidelines, except when multitasking with other VRAM-using apps or when right on the line

  • If you're currently not using any upscaling to start with, strongly consider enabling a super resolution tech to provide some VRAM relief.

  • Less than 10GB of VRAM for 1440p and below

  • Less than 12GB of VRAM for 4K

karmic kindle
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well i do that on the games with fg but

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on val for example

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higher settings are kinda disadvantaging you

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how do i do there

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cause warzone ultra 1080p no fg im at 200 fps

deft crane
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You don't need FG

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if you really want to game at 1080p for that 500fps you should buy AMD like a 9800x3d

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the i5 14600k is actually a decent CPU

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it's just that for your use case you are reaching CPU bottlenecks

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either get a 1440p monitor

karmic kindle
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i mean i wanted to go with the 7800X3D at first but i saw that this one had similar performances on softwares and for cheaper so i went with this one

deft crane
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or crank up settings

karmic kindle
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so val i play on 1440p ?

deft crane
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To be clear, it's not a bad chip and it's actually quite decent

deft crane
karmic kindle
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well i think i tried already but i still have the issue

deft crane
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You just bought the 3nd tier chip for the things you want to do

deft crane
karmic kindle
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i mean on the side i'm working with after effects and also ableton for music, ableton requires a really good cpu, so its basically the higher threads and cores you have, the more capacity you have to use synths and etc which are cpu expensive

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and i was worried that a 7800x3d wasnt enough

karmic kindle
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because to lose all bottleneck i need to go on 4k max settings

robust pewter
karmic kindle
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whats thatt

deft crane
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Also one more thing on Valorant, it's a DX11 game

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so for Radeon GPU, they actually have to build shaders in the background

deft crane
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just don't expect 500 FPS kind of things on that CPU at 1080p as you are reaching CPU bottlenecks

karmic kindle
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alright alrightt

karmic kindle
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this is exactly the thing i have

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how do i disable those

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because i have no clue on what those are

karmic kindle
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@deft crane @robust pewter

deft crane
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It's just a bunch of registry fixes. Though I wouldn't touch them unless you know what you're doing

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best way is to load into the game, go to the shooting range, play each weapon and agent for 2-3 minutes each agent using their powers

karmic kindle
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but the lags start back whenever i relaunch a match

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so if i can fix it i really wanna do it

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like if you know how i can do please show me

deft crane
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let it compile all the shaders

karmic kindle
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so i just take every agent, use every util, shoot and everything and then i launch ?

deft crane
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not AMD Optimised

karmic kindle
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where is it

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and also i already have MPO disabled somehow

deft crane
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The same thing you always adjust

karmic kindle
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i don't have a setting like that though

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the only amd optimized option i can choose is on the tesselation mode

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the only thing about shaders is to reset the shader cache

deft crane
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Open the gaming tab

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select Valorant game

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there should be an option for Shader cache

karmic kindle
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there isnt any 😭

deft crane
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download the app and set the shader cache to ON

karmic kindle
karmic kindle
deft crane
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Disable AFMF for Valorant

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You're going to have stutters

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Your settings ain't default, and we asked you if it's default

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@robust pewter

karmic kindle
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i put them back like that to see if it was making changes

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other than that except anti lag there was nothing on

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wait its mpogpufix right ?

deft crane
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yes

karmic kindle
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its telling me its not safe

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on virus total, as i usually drop stuff from github there

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actually nevermind i don't care

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where is AFMF

deft crane
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so shader cache is already ON then

karmic kindle
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no i just put it

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it was amd optimized

deft crane
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Set it to on

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then reboot PC

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and then open Valorant

karmic kindle
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and thats it ?

deft crane
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shooting range for 7 minutes - 15 minutes

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with all characters and guns and effects like smoke and ability

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your stutter should be gone by then

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also turn off AFMF for Valorant as well

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it's the game issue refusing to optimsied for AMD

karmic kindle
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where do i turn it off

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but isn't there a way to fix this entirely, instead of having to go to the shooting range and all ?

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i can't test if it still stutters just yet btw i'll send it over the day when i have time

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i never played val with afmf on btw

karmic kindle
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@robust pewter those are for the ssd as you said it was weird

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deft crane
deft crane
karmic kindle
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YES YES YES YES

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i never enabled this one though and removed it right after the screenshot

karmic kindle
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man the thing is its been 20 minutes in the range right now and i'm not even at half of the agents

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like its working but its taking way way way too long

robust pewter
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Remember: driver updates will nuke this progress, so unless needed, avoid updating your driver.

Game updates may also nuke this progress. not much you can do against this

karmic kindle
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well its like that since i got the pc soo

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i only updated my drivers once to be able to play the last of us 2

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and i didnt get a single issue on it

karmic kindle
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@deft crane Does the cache get deleted when closing the game ?

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im so dumb i just closed it to dodge a map after loading everything in the range for 30 minutes

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thank god it stays

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it works thank you

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i'm at 200fps for the 1% lows

robust pewter
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Alright

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In the future just keep in mind

compact loomBOT
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DirectX 12, Vulkan, and some late-generation DirectX 11 games need to perform a step called shader compilation to render graphics.

This can be done either on startup, on first load, or on the fly while playing the game. Some may even do a mix of any of the above methods.

This shader compilation step is specific to the combination of the game version, driver, and the video card in a very exact manner, so if any of them changes, you will need to recompile shaders. For some games, changing the rendering mode (e.g. turning ray-tracing on and off, or changing graphics APIs) will also trigger shader recompilation.

If the game compiles shaders on the fly, either exclusively or as needed, you may encounter frame time spikes or freezes as the game waits for the shader to compile, or some objects may be missing or corrupted for a few moments. The intensity of these spikes or freezes will highly depend on both your CPU and the graphics card driver.

deft crane
karmic kindle
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Ohhh thats why it started lagging on every game after the driver update

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well really thank you cause it was really horrible to play, especially on such games