Fps feeling.. not like what it's supposed to?

[lilac compass]

I've kind of just been putting this aside till now, it's honestly sort of weird, i'm at 70-90 fps with DLSS 3 quality very high settings on cyberpunk 2077. Although, the fps feels sort of choppy. Now this can fall into a few things

1. Monitor (it's 1080p 60hz) but it feels smooth sometimes, sometimes it doesn't like right now
2. Dlss has input lag

[wise basalt]

1080p60 monitor

Do not use frame generation on 60 Hz displays, and especially with no vsync

Frame generation really wants a 100Hz+ display with VRR to shine as then frames can be delivered whenever wherever

Turn off frame generation and adjust your game settings so that you are able to consistently get above 60 FPS.

Then, turn on vertical sync because otherwise it'll tear like no tomorrow.

If you want to avoid these workarounds, you will need to purchase a new monitor

[lilac compass]

Doing it soon

[lilac compass]

What's tearing?

You know everyone says V-Sync is one of the worst things to happen to humanity

What does vsync even do?

[wise basalt]

When you see more than one frame's contents on the screen at the same time. Due to movement, they will have a visible break.

[lilac compass]

ah, so what i'm going through right now?

I have a few more questions if you mind

Now that vsync is enabled, do I enable reflex and dlss? if i turn on reflex, do i make it on or on + boost.

[wise basalt]

On non-VRR (FreeSync/GSync) displays: hold the frame until the monitor is ready to display

On VRR displays, this wait is much shorter and if paced correctly, won't lag

[lilac compass]

Sounds like i need to get one ASAP

[wise basalt]

ON under most circumstances. Boost usually just wastes a bit of power for a minimal latency improvement

[lilac compass]

i'm sort of struggling with my cpu that's about it

it just goes up more than i want it to at times

like my gpu is sitting above 95% most of the time

but my cpu sometimes goes above 70%

[wise basalt]

In this case you should probably decide between Off and On instead. On some computers On can have stuttering

[lilac compass]

alright, about dlss, is the dlss image better than the TAA image in cyberpunk?

[wise basalt]

But most of these stuff won't be relevant while you have a 60Hz display

[wise basalt]

Generally speaking, yes, as the stock TAA shimmers and flickers severely

[lilac compass]

also, since i turned on vsync, i can't help but feel like it has this latency

it's not major

but i noticed it quickly

[wise basalt]

This is normal on 60Hz

Hence the "get a new monitor"

[lilac compass]

it's coming soon 😂

i do need an upgrade anywhom

alright i think that's about it

thanks a bunch

[swift bear]

I turned off boost mode. Something is causing my CPU to boost from 3.9GHz all the way to 4.7GHz, and it was not made for that. Made a lot of heat and actually made it perform much worse, might want to turn it off.

[wise basalt]

This user is likely using a desktop. In which case you'd be deleting performance for no good reason.

Also, assuming the cooling system was working correctly and the CPU doesn't end up in a situation where it cannot maintain PL1/TDP, boost should not cause performance loss

[lilac compass]

how can I make this v sync thing work with ghost?

it runs perfectly with cyberpunk I love it

ghost though, when i turn it on it goes to 30 fps

[wise basalt]

?

[lilac compass]

ghost of tsushima

my fps goes down to thirty

but I just used the nvidia control pnale

panel

To inject vsync in

Like I turn vsync on in ghost of tsushima, My fps is capped at 30

But i just used nvidia control panel

[wise basalt]

Don't use more than one frame rate limiter or engage vsync in multiple locations

[wise basalt]

This may shock you, but modern CPUs don't throw away their entire turbo

They shed in 50/100MHz steps

like GPUs and 15MHz steps

You do realize that you are describing expected behaviour?

Go ahead and read a CPU review in the last 3 years

You did not even mention your CPU model

So what?

Because I literally just described modern CPU behaviour

[lilac compass]

Hey, uhh, I noticed in certain times, the 99% fps goes down, to nearly 40, while my fps is staying at sixty. Now if this is a monitor/vsync related issue, it's fine. But I fear that perhaps my gpu is weak?

In cyberpunk 2077

Also, if i did get let's say a 144hz monitor, and I get 90 fps on dlss, would it actually feel like 90 solid frames per second? @wise basalt

[wise basalt]

Perceived smoothness of 90FPS, input lag of somewhere like 45FPS

[wise basalt]

The 99th is always a bit wiggly and lower than the listed frame rate even with perfect vsync and fixed rate

It's usually still indicative of relative smoothness, though

Usually microstutters appear when this gets too low

Ideally I'd see about 50FPS 99ths when you are at 60 delivered

Because game engines are inherently variable time, some jitter is expected

[lilac compass]

Input lag of 44 fps?

[wise basalt]

Pretty much, yeah, if you achieved 90 with frame generation, everything is delayed by 1 extra frame per real frame. Since there are 45 real frames...

[lilac compass]

No no, with frame gen I get way more than 90. I’m talking dlss by itself

No frame gen

[wise basalt]

Ah, then 90FPS is 90FPS

You'll be in a really good place lag wise

[lilac compass]

It just doesn’t feel like it, because of the 99% fps + vsync?

[wise basalt]

if you are playing on a 60Hz display, it's meaningless and you'll either tear (no vsync) or will become 60 FPS (vsync) or become juddery (Fast Sync, from NVIDIA Control Panel only)

[wise basalt]

You'll probably get a much better feel if you were using a display capable of a triple digit refresh rate + freesync/gssync

[lilac compass]

Alright so just get a better monitor

[wise basalt]

pretty much, yeah, if you want to get tear free high refresh or intend to use frame gen

[lilac compass]

Hate to ask and waste your time, but if I also get vrr, what does that do?

[wise basalt]

If you get a screen with FreeSync/G-Sync, it lets the video card to tell exactly when the monitor needs to refresh, instead of having to wait for the monitor to refresh to send image contents

[lilac compass]

So it’s even better?

Perfect

[wise basalt]

With this, frame rates no longer need to be an integer division of the screen max refresh rate, and games can pace much better to reduce lag

[lilac compass]

Nothing I hate more than choppiness

[wise basalt]

yep, especially when you deal with "in between" frame rates

[lilac compass]

Ahh, and what about that 1ms latency on monitors?

[wise basalt]

e.g. if you dip below 60 FPS on a 60 Hz monitor, some frames will show up at 60 FPS equal, and some 30 FPS, for example

This can show up as uneven pacing

[lilac compass]

I figured a 1080p60h monitor with a 4060 wouldn’t work

[wise basalt]

It works, but you're hard forced to lock vsync for either 60 or 30 FPS locks, or accept tearing

[wise basalt]

just marketing

but if you want ghost free monitor

normally go oled, but if can't stretch that far or you use the computer for non-gaming/videos a lot, ips (samsung va is also good on their high end stuff)

[lilac compass]

It’s two choices

1: decline vsync and get tearing
2: accept vsync and get 99% fps that’s very low

[wise basalt]

2 isn't exactly accurate and more like get more back buffer pressure that can snowball into extra lag

99th is usually more dependent on how quickly the cpu does things

[lilac compass]

Yeah it’s just my 99% fps drops sometimes in crowded areas, and the actual fps is obsolete

[wise basalt]

This is usually more indicative of a slow CPU or RAM if that's the case

[lilac compass]

I don’t think it’s ram

It’s most likely cpu

I might have a solution

One second

[lilac compass]

Yeah it got slightly better, but, in your opinion do you think DLSS looks better than the "native" image in cp 2077?

i put quotation marks because the native image in this game is TAA

if you turn off all upscaling it uses TAA

So it comes down to

Is dlss 3.5 better than TAA

@wise basalt

[wise basalt]

it actually deals with the denoiser ray tracing uses than TAA

so not really a valid comparison

instead, compare DLSS Ray Reconstruction On vs Off (off meaning using generic denoising)

This will depend on game