Low usage 20%/30% problem 4070Ti!

[leaden vigil]

Hi, I have recently experienced some problems with the new 4070Ti I bought. When I play games (regardless of graphics settings) the card spikes 20%/30% utilisation. In game I have between 0 and 200 fps and they are unstable.
Pc:
Mobo: Msi B450 Gaming Plus Max
Cpu: ryzen 9 5950x
Ram: 32gb DDR4 3200mhz
Gpu: 4070Ti zotac 12gb
Psu: 1050w
Heatsink: 240mm liquid arctic
SSD: 1TB Kingstone

Low usage 20%/30% problem 4070Ti!

[crude violet]

Download GPU-Z and post a screenshot of the first and Sensors tab

[leaden vigil]

is this the page you are interested in?

[crude violet]

GPU-Z, not CPU-Z

Confused?

'g' vs 'c'

[leaden vigil]

Ah, sorry as I already have CPU-Z in my haste to read I read CPU and not GPU sorry now I'll fix it

[crude violet]

Can you post the screenshot of your NVIDIA Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings page?

[leaden vigil]

These are my settings. Should I change anything?

This is the same video as the .mkv above but easier to watch

[leaden vigil]

Any ideas?

[crude violet]

"Prefer maximum performance" is another word for "waste power" on modern hardware

The lack of anti-aliasing on fonts also imply you have changed Windows appearance settings

Did you change anything in this window?

but anyway, this is an aside

performance wise, there isn't actually anything that would cause issues unless you did run something third party... which brings me to that question

did you run any third party software that changes windows settings?

while we're at it, go ahead and download hwinfo64. open it in sensors only mode and show what's there

[leaden vigil]

Yes, I followed a guide that made me 'Optimise' my PC. But third-party software I have never downloaded

[leaden vigil]

In this window I moved many things

[crude violet]

You probably should undo everything it told you to

most optimization guides for Windows are plainly, bullshit

[leaden vigil]

Ah, OK. I downloaded the software now I'll send the screen

In fact, since it is long, can I make you a video like before?

What should I do now?

[crude violet]

Forgot to enable XMP? RAM'S running at 2400

(1200×2=2400)

Fix that and check your games. They're probably going to be waaaay faster.

[leaden vigil]

OK... it seems strange as I have always enabled XAMP from the bios. Can the gaming boost in the bios help?

[leaden vigil]

So, the utilisation rate has improved but in my opinion it is low (the CPU rate has also improved but is still low)

It reached peaks of 45% for the GPU, and around 30% for the processor

Do you have any ideas or any programmes I can use to try to improve these percentages?

[leaden vigil]

??

[crude violet]

considering the memory usage...

what game? the 4070 Ti is extremely powerful to the point that you're likely to get bottlenecked by how fast one core of your CPU is

at lower resolutions and/or low load games

[leaden vigil]

How can I understand/improve it perhaps by overclocking?

I've also tried it on fortnite all low in performance mode and it does about 170/180fps minimum to 200/250fps maximum, The problem is that even turning everything up to maximum it does about 150/180fps minimum to 200/230 maximum

Everything at maximum I mean DLSS on + RTX on + all settings at ULTRA settings etc.

[crude violet]

Divide 100 by the amount of threads you have on your CPU

You'll notice this is a single digit CPU %

[crude violet]

Figures. Classic CPU bottleneck

[leaden vigil]

I have 32 threads

[leaden vigil]

How do I solve it?

[crude violet]

Now...

If you want to be absolutely sure that there is indeed no problem

Run the 3DMark Time Spy benchmark once and post the numbers (free demo available on Steam, check its store page and look for that button on the right)

[leaden vigil]

ok

[crude violet]

There is no issue (remember that dual CCD AMD CPUs are not the best gaming performers in the first place)

[leaden vigil]

Ah, more like I took this processor to do a necklace with a 1660 so I could use it 100 % (I was using the 1660 because I was waiting for the 4070ti to arrive). So a 16 core is no good with a 4070ti?

[crude violet]

No, more like, the performance of a 4070 Ti is so high that you're actually kind of expected to run out of CPU outside of AAA games

It's probably a lot easier to explain if you just ran 3DMark to confirm if the hardware is performing

[leaden vigil]

What should I do now?

??

[crude violet]

Yeah, just click Run right under Time Spy

Let it do its thing

[leaden vigil]

?

[crude violet]

OK, we do have a problem if your score is well below average

Run it again, but with HWinfo64 running in the background. Once it's done, show it again

DO NOT USE VIDEOS

This will ruin the readings. Screenshot.

I only need the CPU and GPU sections

[leaden vigil]

These are the screens as soon as 3DMark has finished

So you confirm to me that the problem is the CPU?

[crude violet]

Your CPU seems to be running much slower than it's turbo speed under load

Did you change the power plan for your entire system in Windows?

[leaden vigil]

YES, I put a plan in place that should give more performance

[crude violet]

Ever thought that it may backfire? Set it back to the default one that was selected when you first open Power Options. Check both Windows Settings and Control Panel.

[leaden vigil]

It never occurred to me that it could backfire since it should give more performance

I put the balanced windows one back in and 'restored' it

Should I retry the test with 3DMark

?

[crude violet]

Sure

[leaden vigil]

I have now put balanced, i.e. the basic Windows

[crude violet]

If it still doesn't improve, go to your BIOS settings, load optimized defaults, enable Windows 11 options such as AMD fTPM, enable Smart Access Memory/Resizable BAR, enable XMP/DOCP profile 1, restart, and retest once more. Do not change any other BIOS settings.

[leaden vigil]

I can confirm that the XMP profile and AMD fTPM are already active

I re-updated the bios yesterday and reactivated everything XMP profile and AMD fTPM + Gaming boost which adds about 500mhz more I quickly read what it did

What should I do?

[crude violet]

Save and restart. Check 3DMark. Does your score improve?

[leaden vigil]

So, these are the screens after I put the balanced in the windows energy settings

[leaden vigil]

So is the problem the processor power supply or the processor itself?

Is there any method to overclock the processor in a safe way, or to go back without burning it out or something?

[naive oyster]

Hey @leaden vigil have enabled game mode in your windows setting? And are you using Wi-Fi or hard wire?

[leaden vigil]

Hey there, I am connected via Lan to Wi-Fi. No, game mode is not activated in the windows settings

[naive oyster]

No wonder, have the game mode enabled and if you can connect it with a hard wired. You’ll see the difference.

[leaden vigil]

?

I have the lan cable for wi-fi and the windows 11 game mode is not active

[naive oyster]

Is the Ethernet connected to your desktop right?

[leaden vigil]

Yes, sorry if my English is not the best xD

[naive oyster]

Game mode must be active as well.

[leaden vigil]

Ah, many advised against the game mode of windws. I have the game mode of the MSI gaming plus max B450 Bios active.

You mean this one?

[naive oyster]

Ok that’s fine but you still gonna need the window game mode enabled

[leaden vigil]

Do I have to restart the PC after activating it?

[naive oyster]

Whatever you sent is not showing.

[leaden vigil]

Ah, give me two seconds

[naive oyster]

Ok

[crude violet]

Game Mode is suggested to be ENABLED for current versions of Windows

[leaden vigil]

This setting I activated

[crude violet]

Some AMD features that optimize CPU usage rely on Xbox Game Bar being functional, too.

[leaden vigil]

It doesn't open the image for me either

OBS xD

I activated that setting

[naive oyster]

Still not showing the pic

[leaden vigil]

Do I also have to activate the game bar?

Now?

[naive oyster]

Turn your image scaling on in GeForce Experience. And choose the highest render resolution if you haven’t.

[leaden vigil]

OK, I did it

Discord does not open images

[leaden vigil]

why

[naive oyster]

And have game mode enabled in windows settings. Also are you using HDMI or DP Port?

[naive oyster]

Not showing up

[leaden vigil]

Yes, I have enabled game mode in the windows settings and I am on a fibre-optic display-port

[leaden vigil]

Yes, I do not understand why it does not open the file or display as an image as in the chat above

[naive oyster]

Ok now while you in game you’ll have use DLSS while in settings on the game

[leaden vigil]

ok

[leaden vigil]

Discord decided not to let me upload pictures xD

Hem, I'm on Fortnite now and I'm in performance mode and there is no setting for DLSS

I should be running DX12 or DX11, but I need to get as many fps as possible as I'm doing 200 and below in game and the utilisation % remains low for both card and processor

First @crude violet he found out that I have a ryzen 9 5950x processor and it takes very little power (at least from what I understand) now I wonder but if I overclock the processor shouldn't the video card go better? but is it normal that a 4070ti with a 5950x 16 cores and 32 threads makes so few fps on a title like fortnite having all the settings low?

[naive oyster]

You have to use the DX12 and how many rim u using

[leaden vigil]

rim=ram?

[naive oyster]

Ram

[leaden vigil]

I have 32gb of ram

with xmp at 3200mhz

[naive oyster]

If you have 2 slots max it out 64 or 4 slots 128.while in game your usage won’t be low.

[leaden vigil]

I have 4x8

The motherboard supports a maximum of 4x16

[naive oyster]

Whatever you don’t do is over clock ur pc it will mess up your hard drives and cpu.

[leaden vigil]

Ah ok

But how do I solve this low video card utilisation?

In game on fortnite no matter what settings I put on it will always do about 200 and down

and utilisation will always be at 20/30% maximum

?

[naive oyster]

Again max out your ram you’ll see a difference

[leaden vigil]

How?

XMP is already active and they run at maximum 3200mhz

[naive oyster]

Ok let me ask you this are you using your GPU for game or cpu?

[naive oyster]

If you want your usage up more then plug in your hdmi or dp port and play the game like that and it’ll be more then 20 & 30. It’ll always be low cause you using a graphics card as your main . GeForce general settings you can bump up the fps for any application or game .

[leaden vigil]

GPU

[leaden vigil]

I am already playing with a DP

[leaden vigil]

Settings already set to performance

[naive oyster]

Ok

[leaden vigil]

What can I do to fix this problem of low utilisation and low fps?

[naive oyster]

If you want your usage up more then plug in your hdmi or dp port and play the game like that and it’ll be more then 20 & 30. It’ll always be low cause you using a graphics card as your main . GeForce general settings you can bump up the fps for any application or game .

[leaden vigil]

Bro, I am already NOW using a DP cable for my monitor connected to the video card and the GeForce settings are already all set for more performance but the problem remains

I'm not saying that I want the video card to work 100 per cent, but the fact that it works so little when it can give more doesn't appeal to me

[naive oyster]

How many Hz does your monitor have?

[leaden vigil]

This monitor I'm using now is a 144hz from aoc but I'm about to order another one from amazon which is a benq 240hz

[naive oyster]

What’s your resolution in windows settings?

[leaden vigil]

1920x1080

[naive oyster]

You definitely using a HDMI .

[leaden vigil]

DP

I am using a cable like this

[naive oyster]

If you are using DP the res should be higher

[leaden vigil]

My monitor is a 1920x1080 144hz

FHD

[naive oyster]

It’s not UHD that’s why you having trouble getting up to 200fps

[leaden vigil]

Wait, tell me where I can see this

[naive oyster]

If you go back where got the monitor it’ll say FHD. Or might be on the box

[leaden vigil]

So now I want to clear my doubts by unplugging the cable connecting the monitor and video card for 2 seconds and sending a picture with my mobile phone and tell me whether it is a DP or an HDMI

I no longer have the box but if I want I can find the model on amazon

[naive oyster]

Ok

I have a MSI UHD 3440X1440 144hz and a 4060Ti

[leaden vigil]

I found the monitor and it is a FHD

[naive oyster]

Here’s the one I have

MSI Optix MAG342CQR 1500R Curvature 21:9 Aspect Ratio Narrow Bezel 1ms 3440 x 1440 (UWQHD) 144Hz Refresh Rate Tilt/Swivel/Height/Pivot Adjustment 34" AMD Freesync Gaming Curved Monitor, Black https://a.co/d/bbLCPzi

[naive oyster]

Ok if you had the UHD Monitor it be in full affect

[leaden vigil]

It says UHD on the cable

So my problem is the monitor?

I wanted to get this monitor, https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B08HJ2VCB7/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H ,can I do more fps with it?

[naive oyster]

I know it may say it on the cable but need a monitor that’s compatible with high resolution. The one that i sent u I’m able to use 4k while on YouTube and if you was on YouTube your max would be like 1080

It’s the same with games if you don’t have the right set up and the right specs it wouldn’t be able to push out what you are trying use.

[leaden vigil]

Well I just need to play at high fps with a good monitor at a high refresh rate. Quality is enough for me in 1080p

I am aiming for performance not quality

[naive oyster]

FHD monitor won’t push out 200+fps

[leaden vigil]

So I should go for a 240hz UHD?

Why do pro players use monitors like the one I sent you?

https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B08HJ2VCB7/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H

And still manage to do more fps than me even with a worse card

[naive oyster]

Yes and it’s better than FHD and I do get that you want a good performance while playing.

[leaden vigil]

So if I get this monitor from amazon, can I get more fps than I do now?

[naive oyster]

Yes

[leaden vigil]

Ah ok

So it is a monitor problem?

[naive oyster]

Yes

[leaden vigil]

Can the monitor really limit the fps? I didn't know that. I learned something new xD

[naive oyster]

FHD is more for a basic and while you trying play Fortnite you only pushing out 60 or more fps?

[leaden vigil]

I get about 200 down but in the lobby I do 500 to 600 while if I open the settings I do as much as 800

So can you confirm that with that benq monitor I can do the fps I expect so much? xD

[naive oyster]

Having UHD is more so a better while it can push out more and better performance

[leaden vigil]

Excuse me, but I did a quick search and they all say that a 5950x has about a 30% bottle neck with the video card in question (4070Ti)

[true wing]

You should be pushing 240z easily

its a 1080p monitor

[leaden vigil]

Well if I do 240fps yes

But you barely make 200

[naive oyster]

It may be a 1080p but it’s a FHD and not a UHD

[true wing]

FHD means 1080p

[leaden vigil]

Yes my monitor is FHD 1080p

[true wing]

Exactly because you favor peformance

dont get an UHD monitor

it will be super expensive

[leaden vigil]

Do you think this monitor is good? https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B08HJ2VCB7/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H

[naive oyster]

Then his problem is still gonna act up

[leaden vigil]

Guys make up your minds xD what should I do?

[leaden vigil]

I wanted to get this monitor

[true wing]

Ive made up my mind already

[leaden vigil]

However, there is the problem that a 4070ti in game on Fortnite does 200fps and down.

[true wing]

if you're playing 1080p you're gpu utilization will always be low because the 4070ti is really strong

[leaden vigil]

Everything low and in performance

[true wing]

it doesnt need to be pushed to its limit

[leaden vigil]

But more than utilisation, I'm more interested in fps, which doesn't increase anyway. I've tried fortnite in 1080p with everything low in performance and it does about 200fps in game, whereas if I set DX12 everything to maximum, it still does 200fps a sce

[true wing]

what you are explaining is a cpu bottleneck

[leaden vigil]

How can I resolve this?

[true wing]

all you can do is make sure that you're cpu is running as it should

[leaden vigil]

Well yes the processor is ok

So am I destined not to do more than 200 fps?

[true wing]

depends on the game but yes

[leaden vigil]

What if I change the card to a normal 4070 or a 4060Ti?

[true wing]

wont do anything

[leaden vigil]

A top card that I can pair with the 5950x?

[true wing]

that could be better

i mean what you could also do is buy a QHD monitor

the 4070ti was built for 1440p gaming

[leaden vigil]

Well anyway there are people like me who would also use a 4090 with low settings

xD

Should I change cards to give more fps?

Because I can still return via Amazon

[naive oyster]

You have a good GPU and you don’t need to change it.

[leaden vigil]

Well but if I'm destined to do 200fps when maybe by changing it to a lower one I can do more it's convenient for me

[naive oyster]

Wow did you look above after what I just told him and which monitor to get? Cause last time I heard saying oh it’s to expensive.

[leaden vigil]

Don't argue xD it's human to make mistakes or something

[naive oyster]

Oh I’m not and I like helping people and not have them waste money. And I’m saying you can do both performance and quality with UHD but the real question is are you willing to buy a 4k or 8k monitor to push out 500 or more fps

[leaden vigil]

Honestly, I don't care about quality, I just need a monitor that can handle 240hz with a low response time around €400/450 (I'm Italian and I don't know if you know this but in Italy there is one euro)

I didn't know about this monitor thing that can increase the fps but I would like confirmation that if I take a 360hz can I do 360hz or will I always do 200fps and go down like now?

[leaden vigil]

I apologize right from the start if this is perhaps a basic thing but I am a boy who is recently studying computer science and I like to compete on games to have fun with my friends and not to be a drug addict or anything else. . For this reason I am looking for a monitor with a higher refresh rate but which my card can handle without problems

[naive oyster]

Ok and I’ll make it easy if you have a UHD with 360hz or 240hz you’ll be able to get that fps and if you get for the FHD you more likely will not get the FPS you looking for

[leaden vigil]

Only with UHD or also other resolutions?

[naive oyster]

I’m bout to graduate with my BS in Computer information System

[leaden vigil]

Wow I hope you come out with flying colors it's really nice to know that I'm being helped by a qualified person and not the first one that happens as sometimes on the forums xD

[naive oyster]

Yes if you look in you’re setting and it only shows 1080p you not getting anything. As specially you have a DP Port

[leaden vigil]

So would you recommend a 360/240hz UHD monitor? with the DP I already have now

[naive oyster]

yes

[leaden vigil]

Ah ok thx

[naive oyster]

Heres my setting I have once i got my UHD

[leaden vigil]

I have them 1920x1080

[leaden vigil]

Excuse me but does it make any difference whether the monitor is QHD or UHD? regarding fps for my case

[naive oyster]

More performance and fps for UHD. The QHD is still basically near FHD.

[leaden vigil]

Ok then I'm aiming for UHD 360/240hz

[naive oyster]

Ok good cause you will get that and make sure when you do go on settings for Fortnite to 360 or unlimited fps

[true wing]

@leaden vigil LMAO that is not UHD

hes playing on a 1440p monitor

ultrawide

i have the same gpu as you

Im actually playing on an UHD monitor

I would know but I guess take it from this guy

Good luck sir

At this point I think this whole post is a troll

lol

[leaden vigil]

However, no one has yet told me how to increase the use of the GPU (In reality I understood that I have a bottleneck, but no one has told me how to escape it or if I take a video card suitable for this processor if it is better such as: a 4070 smooth or a 3080 etc since I can't change the processor now)

[naive oyster]

Ti is better then a regular gpu. To increase the use of your GPU go into the GeForce Navigation setting and take your time reading each thing in the 3D section the top panel should say global or application for games and video and etc. same for in game take your time to read in the settings for a full functional use.

[leaden vigil]

It's the 34753675 time I've said it that I've already done it and the result is the same and I also tried with the basic ones and the result is the same

By February 12th I can return this card via Amazon and if I want I can get a 3080 which since it doesn't have a large bottleneck on this processor I can have more fps but no one confirms or talks to me about this thing

[naive oyster]

Well obviously you just gonna have to wait on the new monitor. Either or still gonna have issues with AMD. Cause technically if you are using AMD processors and really supposed to get an Radeon GPU for it to fully be compatible. And i been hearing a lot of issues with users who've has amd and using GeForce.

[leaden vigil]

Well here we are talking about a bottleneck so either I change the CPU or the GPU only that to change the CPU I have to change both the motherboard and the RAM so for practical reasons it is better to change the GPU but the real problem is that I never find the same CPU that works so hard thing for the gpu

While I play the CPU remains at 15/20% usage while the GPU remains at 25/30% usage

[leaden vigil]

Never mind the monitor which is something I wanted to add to understand the differences between FHD QHD and UHD but the real problem is this

Both GPU and CPU usage remain low and I have poor results

I first had an old 1660 instead of the 4070 (since I created this PC to be improved over time) and I went from a Ryzen 5 3200g if I'm not mistaken to a Ryzen 9 5950x then now from a 1660 to a 4070ti all mounted on a PSU of 1050w

[naive oyster]

May just be the monitor that you been using.

[leaden vigil]

Well the problem isn't seeing them but the configuration itself isn't arriving

@crude violet already made me do a lot of things but in any case we haven't arrived at a reason for this

Forget the monitor talk

If you want to check any parameters that you would like to know, tell me and I will take screen shots or a short MP4 clip.

[naive oyster]

Go into you GeForce check to make sure your drive is updated

[leaden vigil]

OK give me 2 seconds

Already up to date

Ah it is the first time I have an RTX and I have already freed all the old drivers with DDU

If I have to delete them again, you tell me

[naive oyster]

Does your motherboard compatible with AMD Ryzen 7 7700X

[leaden vigil]

Unfortunately not, it is a B450 and the maximum processor it can handle is my 5950x.

Exactly B450 MSI gaming plus max

The 5950x is a 16 core 32 thread

[naive oyster]

Mmmmm damn so you got like a basic basic motherboard.

[leaden vigil]

Yes I chose amd because I can upgrade the processor without changing the motherboard

This card (MOBO) is quite old, but if I want to change it, I have to change the processor and ram as well, since I have DDR4 and the new ones from AMD are DDR5.

[naive oyster]

You still gonna have to change it cause you only allow 5000 series for that motherboard. And the usage will be low until you get a higher CPU.

[leaden vigil]

I know but I want to do this later

But one thing that puzzles me is that the processor usage remains low

[naive oyster]

Now i fully understand why u was complaining about how low your utilization was being used.

Yes it's cause you need a higher CPU

[leaden vigil]

Since I cannot now change both cpu and mobo and RAM, I would like to get a video card poorer than this one

I think I would recommend a 3090 because this processor in combo with the 3090 was running like a charm.

[naive oyster]

Ok

[leaden vigil]

But a question arises for me, since the 4070ti is not far off from the power of a 3090 or 3080. But if I do a reverse overclock I don't know but I think the technical term is downclock won't it increase my fps or increase the utilization of both cpu and gpu?

Since waiting to make a return and then having money to buy another card again, I honestly don't want to wait.

[naive oyster]

It might but you have a low processor and only way i would say is go online check to see which one is compatible with that cpu you have now so that way it won't be the same issue.

[leaden vigil]

Well I have seen and recommended a 3090 the performance of a 3090 is not far behind a 4070ti

[naive oyster]

Or just get the radeon rx 5700 xt

[leaden vigil]

I had bought a 6950xt but it arrived broken so return was mandatory.

All 3000 series downwards and for amd all 6000 series downwards are recommended

Would a downclock make sense?

[naive oyster]

You can but it'll only allow you mild gaming for time being.

[crude violet]

Just checked. You're now in the normal zone

[crude violet]

Ignore everything that guy is saying

At this rate he's going to end up with unnecessary purchases

(Remember that these scores include overclocked systems, so as long as you're not at the far left side of the bell curve you're fine)

Which reminds me

This has Ryzen Master, does it? If so, can you open it and send a screenshot of what it looks like?

[naive oyster]

When you actually get a gaming desk top lets see how long it'll last when you overclock your your stuff.

[crude violet]

If you have ever hung around in other channels you'd realise that I have one

And if you do not overvoltage things to the point of irresponsibility, the life of the component won't really be shortened to the degree where it would fail before it becomes obsolete, anyway.

Please do better research in the future.

@naive oyster

[simple mica]

question.
why do you need more fps, when ur monitor supports only 144?

200 is enough. If you like to compete and etc just get bet better at playing.
Fps count wont change it that much

[leaden vigil]

Since I want to get a benq 240hz but if I don't make them stable 240fps there is no point in buying it

[leaden vigil]

OK give me 2 seconds

This is the "safe zone"

This is the expert area

WTF is my processor a 16 core because here it comes out 8?

[crude violet]

you might have a problem...

Can you hit the "Reset" here?

[crude violet]

bottom left here

half the cores, and seems like the CPU isn't allowed to actually boost

[naive oyster]

@leaden vigil how's everything going?

[leaden vigil]

I upgraded the power supply from an anonymous 1050w to an Nzxt 750W

[naive oyster]

More like a downgrade but ok

[crude violet]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[naive oyster]

If you plan on upgrading and or adding things to your PC keep that 1050 by your side.

[crude violet]

Which model, I wonder...?