new cpu installed

[devout seal]

Yep. Choose data set: small, mode: extreme, and load type: steady

[pulsar mountain]

correct ?

[devout seal]

Alright. Let it rip.

[pulsar mountain]

and i watch the gpu volts

correct?

[devout seal]

Yeah, since they should be fed the same voltage from the psu

PSU sags affect it

[pulsar mountain]

i lost display and usb immediately

[devout seal]

This is pretty bad. Restart your PC again, and now, try the 3D Standard test. (This is the one for video cards.)

[pulsar mountain]

alright

was the cpu one bad?

now what

[devout seal]

Set the usage limit to a very low value like 5% first.

[pulsar mountain]

that?

[devout seal]

Yep

[pulsar mountain]

alr

[devout seal]

Then let it rip

[pulsar mountain]

it hit

11.9

not rlly dropping tho

[devout seal]

What's the GPU power?

[pulsar mountain]

where do i check

[devout seal]

Click Power here

[pulsar mountain]

oh here

[devout seal]

OK.

So right now, the GPU is using 24W

About that much, right?

[pulsar mountain]

Yep

it just hit

44

then 50

...

it spikes up randomly

wen i go on discord

then goes back down to 23-30

@devout seal

[devout seal]

OK

Voltage is still at 11.9?

[pulsar mountain]

uhh

no

12

[devout seal]

Your PSU sagged to 11.695V

OK, 5% test is done.

Now...

Stop the test, and restart it with usage set to 10%.

[pulsar mountain]

alr

[devout seal]

Let me know the wattage and voltage you're getting.

[pulsar mountain]

running

lowest 1.7

both ss's

still has the random spikes to 60

@devout seal

are they good?

[devout seal]

OK. Now increase it to 15%

We keep increasing this until the computer stops working, or it hits 100%

[pulsar mountain]

Alr

[devout seal]

Each time, we check the voltage and power usage

[pulsar mountain]

what do u need to be sent

ujj

uhh

it went back down tho

[devout seal]

This is normal. Limiting algorithms don't kick in early on

[devout seal]

For 15% right?

[pulsar mountain]

yep

[devout seal]

I'm going to skip a few steps.

Now try 30%.

[pulsar mountain]

alr

same shit u wanna see correct

[devout seal]

Yeah, til the computer shuts down, a voltage goes below 11.4V, or you hit 100%

[devout seal]

Still good so far. Now try 50%.

[pulsar mountain]

Kk

[devout seal]

60%

[pulsar mountain]

Kk

[devout seal]

OK. I think I have enough information on the GPU side now.

Stop the test.

[pulsar mountain]

Now what

[devout seal]

Go back and attempt a CPU test, but use the default settings:
Data set Large
Mode Normal
Load type Variable

[devout seal]

Change the test duration to 60m

[pulsar mountain]

done

[devout seal]

OK. Start the test. If it doesn't shut down, let it hold for an hour

If it does, culprit is very likely the motherboard

Since CPUs usually don't just die

[pulsar mountain]

it didnt

shut down

but my pc feels slow and choppy

[devout seal]

This is normal. It uses your cpu

100%

So...

[pulsar mountain]

still no shut down

[devout seal]

I'm thinking of this being the proable cause now.

[devout seal]

The motherboard is unable to supply enough power to the CPU when the CPU requests a large amount of power and causes the entire computer to shut down.

You're already using 113W on a "normal" load.

[pulsar mountain]

so its the power supply?

[devout seal]

No, the motherboard

[pulsar mountain]

Oh

[devout seal]

Thr voltages check out on your PSU even when loaded down with 200W on the GPU

While we're at it

Since you wanted to confirm stuff

[pulsar mountain]

so the psu is fine ??

[devout seal]

Can you check if the GPU voltage is near 12V rn?

Don't stop the test.

[pulsar mountain]

ofc

[devout seal]

OK, I think I can tell you to try another AM4 motherboard that isn't barebones

[pulsar mountain]

so the power supply is fine

is this one good

[devout seal]

Make sure you can return it in case the faults still happen

[pulsar mountain]

ye i can

[devout seal]

Which then rules out the motherboard.

[pulsar mountain]

So should i just buy a psu and motherboard?

[devout seal]

OK. Keep us updated on if the CPU dies on the new motherboard too

The PSU you probably can wait for now

[pulsar mountain]

i mean i can always return it

[devout seal]

Since it can power a GPU at full tilt fine

So I'm thinking it's not the PSU sagging too low.

[pulsar mountain]

il just order both

are they hard to put in and shit?

ive only done ram cpu and gpu

are these solid?

[devout seal]

Replacing the motherboard will require you to remove basically everything that isn't storage or fans or psu

Replacing the PSU will depend on how accessible your case is right now. (You can always remove the motherboard first.)

[pulsar mountain]

when i get it do i gotta update bios and shit ?

for the mobo^

[devout seal]

This board shouldn't need it - it's made for 5000 series cpus

[pulsar mountain]

is this one fine

also do i stop the test

it dropped down to 60

i didnt stop it yet

[devout seal]

Leave it running

[pulsar mountain]

kk

still nothing g

[devout seal]

OK. I think your CPU is probably fine if it ends after 1 hour without errors

Make sure your new board can fit in your current case btw

[pulsar mountain]

alright

how do i check

so how forsure are u that its the motherboard and not psu?

@devout seal

[devout seal]

Well, CPUs running a power virus is likely still lower wattage than the 3060 ti's 200W

And we know the CPU's perfectly fine when it'd doing normal stuff

I'd still suspect the PSU tbh

If neither a new board or psu help the last thing I'd check is a new CPU

But you do already have 2 CPUs and both fail, right

[pulsar mountain]

the old one js made my pc turn off

unless i go in bios like this one

[devout seal]

Hmm. I guess we can only hope that replacing both mb and psu stops the shutdowns...

[pulsar mountain]

Yeah i guess

[pulsar mountain]

ye 1h r

didnt do nothing

@devout seal

[devout seal]

OK. For now probably just test with the new motherboard and psu. If it goes away then it's one of these two at fault

[pulsar mountain]

and if it dont

[devout seal]

Make sure to also test the previous CPU. We already know most of the rest of your system is fine

[pulsar mountain]

Hey @devout seal

is this one good??

[vast mirage]

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/cheap-AMD-b550-motherboards-tested/2

It was apparently able to handle a 3900x that was being overclocked

[pulsar mountain]

so it can handle 5900x?

i got a ryzen 9 5900x

@vast mirage

[vast mirage]

Honestly you'd probably want something with a better VRM

[pulsar mountain]

is this one good

[vast mirage]

Do you need wifi built-in?

[pulsar mountain]

na

[vast mirage]

Then get the b550 tomahawk

[pulsar mountain]

this one?

@vast mirage

[vast mirage]

Yeah, you just gotta do the BIOS update before you put the CPU in

[pulsar mountain]

how do i do that

do i need a cpu in to do the bios update?

[pulsar mountain]

so this one isnt good?

[vast mirage]

Nah, it has a BIOS flash feature

[pulsar mountain]

idk if that mobo will fit in my case dawg

that shit looks so big

[vast mirage]

It's an ATX motherboard

[pulsar mountain]

is it?

[vast mirage]

What case do you have?

[pulsar mountain]

i got some

prebuilt

cyberpower

small ass case

u tell me if itll fit 😂

[vast mirage]

It should

[pulsar mountain]

ph

oh

will my ram fit?

the corsair vengeance lpx

[vast mirage]

Yeah

[pulsar mountain]

the images just look bigger

[vast mirage]

You have standoffs to the right

[pulsar mountain]

so i didnt know

alr tyvm

Ordered it

[vast mirage]

Those are for a bigger board

You have the rear fan exhausting and the fan on the CPU cooler also exhausting towards the back of the case right?

You'll also be able to do some cool stuff with your 5900x with the new board

But yeah, before you install it, download the latest BIOS version for the board and follow the directions for BIOS flash

You need to name the file a certain name and place it in a USB

Then insert the USB into the USB slot that is specific to BIOS flash (should be colored or marked), then follow the instructions on hooking up power (you shouldn't need everything installed or plugged in yet). Then you power up the board, press the flash button with the USB connected and wait for it to flash that it's completed the update

The directions will go into more detail

[pulsar mountain]

link a video?

or is the directions gonna js tell me

[pulsar mountain]

yea

[vast mirage]

https://youtu.be/eNi0Y0CFDEI

[pulsar mountain]

alr ty

[vast mirage]

Ping me when you have it up and running

[pulsar mountain]

Alright it says saturday itll be here

[pulsar mountain]

@vast mirage just to clarify it will run the ryzen 9 5900X right?

[vast mirage]

Tomahawk will run a 5950x bruh

[pulsar mountain]

Alright tysm

[livid kayak]

@pulsar mountain

Is your case atx?

[vast mirage]

#1079584759056978020 message

[pulsar mountain]

whats that mean

[pulsar mountain]

@vast mirage

yooyoyoyoyo

i need u rn

my power supply that i ordered isnt compatible i think

[devout seal]

Can't fit?

[pulsar mountain]

look

[regal kayak]

I hope your not trying to reuse cables from the old PSU

[brittle vine]

it's a standard PSU. Just make sure you use the cables that came with it

[pulsar mountain]

i am…

im using the ones that came with it

lol

im getting no sign of life

on mobo or psu

[brittle vine]

did you connect front panel connectors?

[pulsar mountain]

im pretty sure

[devout seal]

Use a screwdriver to contact the two POWER SW pins

[pulsar mountain]

see

[devout seal]

If it starts, it's the front panel or its cables

Dude, install it properly

[pulsar mountain]

wym?

[devout seal]

Not on a desk

[regal kayak]

You don't have the CPU in

[pulsar mountain]

ur not supposed to…

im updating the bios…

[devout seal]

And the CPU is mia

[regal kayak]

Do you actually need to update the BIOS?

[pulsar mountain]

https://youtu.be/eNi0Y0CFDEI

yeah

[devout seal]

99% chance not necessaey

[regal kayak]

A B550 board should already have BIOS support for 5000x CPUs

[pulsar mountain]

it aint compatible

[devout seal]

If your box says 5000 series ready

[regal kayak]

Unless it's old stock from years ago

[devout seal]

Never follow random youtube guides

[devout seal]

Ah, old new stock?

[pulsar mountain]

i got a ryzen 9 5900x

[regal kayak]

you also have no RAM in

[pulsar mountain]

ur not supposed to dawg

not when updating the bios for this board

[devout seal]

OK, to make sure you are flashbacking correctly... drive is fat32 and 32gb or less?

[pulsar mountain]

why are these 2 different shapes lol

[pulsar mountain]

yes

i cant even get the psu on dude

[regal kayak]

They look the same shape to me, you just have the cable upside down

[devout seal]

your connector is upside down

Clip to clip

[pulsar mountain]

ik?

[devout seal]

The clip is "up" so to speak

[pulsar mountain]

it aint the same shape

[devout seal]

You gotta visually flip it

[regal kayak]

it really is

[devout seal]

Cause it's getting inserted

[regal kayak]

100% it is the same shape

[pulsar mountain]

ma g

[regal kayak]

That's a different cable ......

[devout seal]

Plugs inserted to hole

[pulsar mountain]

its the same one???

[regal kayak]

are you ok

[devout seal]

I think this may be a big problem

[regal kayak]

No it's not lmao

[pulsar mountain]

oh shit no

u right

i grabbed wrong one

[devout seal]

Connector misidentifying

[pulsar mountain]

na u right

[devout seal]

OK so

Clip is at top.

[regal kayak]

Yeah that will fit

[devout seal]

When you are inserting the cable.

[pulsar mountain]

it will(

?

it aint even same shapes

[regal kayak]

Yes it is

[devout seal]

Your plug will be FLIPPED HORIZONTALLY

[pulsar mountain]

on the psu its triangle triangle square square

…

[regal kayak]

holy shit dude

[devout seal]

Thr "flipped horizontally" is key

[regal kayak]

You're looking at it backwards

[devout seal]

See that cable?

Round Square Square Round Round on first row.

Flipped, it's
Round Round Square Square Round

[pulsar mountain]

oh i see

[devout seal]

Because

You have to plug the cable inwards

So everything is flipped left to right

[pulsar mountain]

ok both are plugged into psu

[devout seal]

OK now try doing the bios flash again

[pulsar mountain]

i cant even get the psu on?

[brittle vine]

did you watch the video?

[pulsar mountain]

yes

[brittle vine]

just press the button for 2 seconds using a screwdriver

[devout seal]

You need a case's front panels, or a screwdriver to short POWER SW

[pulsar mountain]

well how if the psu aint on

wdym

[brittle vine]

WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN

[pulsar mountain]

im sorry im new dude

[regal kayak]

That's what turns the PSU on

[devout seal]

The PSU won't turn on by itself

It needs a signal from the motherboaed

[pulsar mountain]

is this correct?

why is one missing

its missing a medal thingy inside

[devout seal]

This is normal

And please insert this to the motherboard too. Otherwise it ain't getting power

[pulsar mountain]

done

[devout seal]

You should also insert the CPU (EPS) power cable too

[pulsar mountain]

that 1 right?

[brittle vine]

make sure PSU switch is ON

[pulsar mountain]

it is

[devout seal]

Yeah

[brittle vine]

then hit the bios flash button for a couple seconds

[brittle vine]

on is the line

[devout seal]

Uh

[brittle vine]

hit the switch

[devout seal]

It's hard off

[pulsar mountain]

i plugged it in

it didnt turn on

[devout seal]

The "I" should be pressed yeah.

You forgot to switch on the PSU

It's at the "off" position

[pulsar mountain]

???

still aint on

[regal kayak]

...

[devout seal]

Yeah, you forgor

[pulsar mountain]

oh

[devout seal]

Press down on the "I"

[pulsar mountain]

still not on

[brittle vine]

I feel your pain. Thank you for your service

[devout seal]

Yeah, it's not the power button

You still need to short the POWER SW

[brittle vine]

now press the bios flash button for 2 seconds

[devout seal]

or get it connected toba front panel

Or the bios flahs button

[regal kayak]

It's just the fact they've said they've watched the video, but done nothing from the video

[pulsar mountain]

okay

the red lights flashing

[brittle vine]

good

[pulsar mountain]

psu still not on

its spinning now

and it turned back off

[regal kayak]

The fans on a lot of PSU's don't turn on until they get hot, just fyi

[pulsar mountain]

the fan stopped spinning

yet the motherboards on

[regal kayak]

Yeah it might not stay on, don't use that as a reference

[pulsar mountain]

the motherboard is on and flashing thats good?

[regal kayak]

They only function when the power supply gets hot, which on modern powersupplies is basically never

[brittle vine]

its this thing: "Zero RPM Fan Mode: Virtually silent operation at low and medium loads"

[regal kayak]

Well if the lights are on it's getting power. Follow the instructions for the BIOS Flashback

[regal kayak]

Yes the CPU light is on because you have no CPU plugged in.
You need to follow the procedure for the BIOS Flashback

[pulsar mountain]

yeah i plugged it in and hit the button

[regal kayak]

It should have some sort of light to show when it's working and when it's done. It will explain it in the manual

[pulsar mountain]

there wasnt a manual

[brittle vine]

the dude in the video also explains it

if you had watched the video and paid attention you would know

[pulsar mountain]

theres no manual

[regal kayak]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B550-TOMAHAWK/support#manual

[pulsar mountain]

how long do bios normally take

[regal kayak]

couple minutes

[pulsar mountain]

it restarted like 3 mins ago

the lights went off then on

its done correct?

[regal kayak]

Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button

1. Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from
   the MSI® website.
2. Rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM, and save it to the root of your USB flash drive.
3. Connect the power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No need to install CPU
   and memory.)
4. Plug the USB flash drive that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS Port
   on the rear I/O panel.
5. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED starts flashing.
6. The LED will be turned off when the process is completed.

[pulsar mountain]

yeah the lights off

so im done

[devout seal]

Once all LEDs are gone, install it to a case, along with everything else

[pulsar mountain]

alright

[devout seal]

(You did back up your files before replacing the motherboard, right?)

[pulsar mountain]

the red light stopped flickering and it restarted

its brand new ma g

my old pc

is still on

with the old psu and motherboard

do i need to back them up, i factory reset it not to long ago

i got like nothing

[regal kayak]

It's up to you, but I would suggest, if you haven't also got a new hard drive / SSD to completely clean install Windows to use with this motherboard.

[pulsar mountain]

i got it on a

hard drive

windows

external

its how i reinstalled it last time

[devout seal]

OK. Go ahead and clean reinstall Windows now.

[regal kayak]

Yeah don't just swap the hard drive from your old PC to this one and think it will work. You need a fresh install for this system.

[devout seal]

Usually you can't carry OS installations across different motherboards

[pulsar mountain]

So wait tell me what. ido

unplug everythint?

[devout seal]

Things will likely break

No, not thay

[regal kayak]

Just put the new PC together first.

[pulsar mountain]

Alright

[devout seal]

Make sure to confirm that all of these are in place.

CPU (processor)
Its cooler
RAM
Video card (-X Ryzen CPUs before 7000 require a video card)
At least 1 internal storage drive

[pulsar mountain]

yes ik

[devout seal]

Don't forget the PCIe power cable for the vid

[pulsar mountain]

so unplug it all?

[regal kayak]

And to re-iterate from before, just in case. DO NOT reuse power cables from your old PSU.
They likely won't fit anyway, but if they did, that's how you get it to go bang.

[pulsar mountain]

i wont

[regal kayak]

And yes, because you're replacing the motherboard and PSU, you need to take all the old stuff out if your reusing that case.

You can leave the case fans in position

[pulsar mountain]

alright

[regal kayak]

Do you have new thermal paste for your CPU cooler?

Also, if it were me. I'd plan on getting a larger CPU cooler as well.

[pulsar mountain]

yes

i do

[regal kayak]

I've got this beast on my 5900x https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

[pulsar mountain]

do i have to replace where all these are

[regal kayak]

I mean your taking the motherboard out, so yes you need to unplug everything

[pulsar mountain]

alr

it wont come out

@regal kayak

[regal kayak]

it being?

A particular cable, or the entire motherboard?

[pulsar mountain]

the whole mobo

[regal kayak]

Make sure you've taken out all the screws, then push it in from the IO Shield and lift it out

[pulsar mountain]

whats the io shield

[regal kayak]

Where you plug all your USB stuff into on the back

[pulsar mountain]

i got it

i got it

[regal kayak]

The shield around it snaps on, so it's sometimes a bit stiff to come out

[pulsar mountain]

how do i take this out

[regal kayak]

Just push it

[pulsar mountain]

got it

am i safe to unplug the psu from new mobo?

[regal kayak]

Yeah, you'll probably need to, to get it in the case.

If your new motherboard has an IO Shield install that first.

[pulsar mountain]

yh

[regal kayak]

But I think that motherboard might have an integrated one

Remember to put the stand offs into the case first

You'll need to just move your current ones to line up with the larger motherboard

[pulsar mountain]

@regal kayak

yo

[regal kayak]

?

[pulsar mountain]

so i got sumn to show u

all my fans and shit are connected into this mess…

nor do ik where to put everything else

[pulsar mountain]

old psu^

[regal kayak]

I mean they all go into the same sort of ports on that motherboard. I linked you the manual which tells you were everything is.

The fans should just be able to plug straight into the motherboard. I have no idea what's going on with the cabling you have on your old PSU.

Looks like a pre-build classic connector mess.

[pulsar mountain]

yep

[pulsar mountain]

its from a prebuilt

[regal kayak]

untangle it if you want to use whatever they've done, otherwise, just plug the fans directly into the motherboard.

[pulsar mountain]

my psu

didnt come with gpu

pcie cables

[regal kayak]

Was it new or used?

[pulsar mountain]

new

[regal kayak]

Then it did

I have the same PSU

[pulsar mountain]

whats it supposed to look like

[regal kayak]

They will have PCIe written on the connectors

Or maybe VGA

[regal kayak]

But I'm pretty sure it's PCIe

Yeah I can see it there in the middle

PCIe

[pulsar mountain]

that?

[regal kayak]

Yes those

You'll likely have a couple

I would suggest putting the GPU in last though

As it's the biggest thing and it will just get in the way otherwise

[pulsar mountain]

yeah so

i got 2 pcie cables

none fir

fit

@regal kayak

[regal kayak]

They do fit

All the connectors are standardised

[pulsar mountain]

how long will this whole process take

[regal kayak]

What process, plugging everything in?

[pulsar mountain]

yeah

i got it all untangled

its still a mess

lmfao

idk where anything goes

[regal kayak]

I mean however long it takes you. If you've not done it before it will take longer.

[pulsar mountain]

update to all: it indeed fixed my problems thank you so much

[vast mirage]

Nice!

Did you set any BIOS settings yet?

[pulsar mountain]

only

the ram

[vast mirage]

Don't forget to enable resizable BAR

[pulsar mountain]

what is that

@vast mirage

[vast mirage]

https://www.msi.com/index.php/blog/improve-performance-with-resizable-bar-now-available-for-msi-geforce-rtx-30-series-graphics-cards#:~:text=Go to "Settings > Advanced >,save the settings and reboot.

[rigid mirage]

It does close to nothing

[pulsar mountain]

oh okay

whats the best way

to test my fps?

[rigid mirage]

in a game

[devout seal]

Did you test OCCT Power test and it passed without shutting down?

[vast mirage]

[devout seal]

Every % helps

[pulsar mountain]

yes