latest-updates

[quartz bronze]

Doing something like Italy but with a more divided country like France would be pretty cool.

[solid gyro]

True The thing is what is really left

i think almost all countries other then some south american nations and the nordic countries have focus trees

[visual willow]

i would prefer it if older countries got reworked, rather then some south american country gets a tree
exception is brazil

[solid gyro]

and even then i think some people would be angry about needing to pay even more for focus tree reworks of nations that already got reworked

[quartz bronze]

At this point it's the Nordic countries for sure. Possibly middle east and south America

[solid gyro]

Perhaps they could do like an ultimate rework

where they rework the reworked countries again and you dont need to get the old dlc but that would be hard

[quartz bronze]

Yeah. I'd be willing to do it tho. Cuz realistically it's probably not gonna happen for free and if so then I'd pay for it if it meant it would actually happen.

An ultimate rework sounds nice

[solid gyro]

it does

really implement new mechaniks for germany

propaganda missions and such

perhaps even militia and volkssturm battalions

[visual willow]

how is paradox's trackrecord with other games? with improving old stuff

[solid gyro]

and of course a better bonus and debuffs for operation Barbarossa

[solid gyro]

I am not sure tbh

but Perhaps paradox should do something like a big ass rework of focus trees

First focusing on
Germany, Britain, and france most importantly

[visual willow]

france's tree is very alright, all LaR trees are

[solid gyro]

I mean yea but i would want them to get that extra zing and a few more mechaniks

volkssturm battalions

propaganda missions

I could imagine a paranoia bar for hitler

[visual willow]

yeah true but it... definitely is one of the least deserving ones imo

[visual willow]

hmm i would rather have each major have something unique in it's mechanic

[solid gyro]

eh yea but tbh i really hope they cripple germany a bit with its industry if they do it

because the german war economy

aint the best

[strange trellis]

It would also be nice if finally overhauled the base game tree, makes no sense why they cant at least make the base game tree better as a stop gap measure to make the other countries more viable

[quartz bronze]

I think UK and France have pretty solid trees. Germany could definitely get some improvements to the tree

Yeah the base tree wasn't too much of a downgrade when the game first came out but now it's nothing when you compare it to something like the baltics or polish industry trees

[solid gyro]

I want them to have a few debuffs tbh once you go to war and some mechaniks with the OHK as well as industry debuffs

[visual willow]

i'm wondering what kind of mechanic they could even give to the UK? maybe a morale system cause it was one of the major british things?

[solid gyro]

Colony system

where you need to protect them

[visual willow]

ahhh that's another interesting one

[solid gyro]

if you loose a colonies you will get debuffs

japan could also get something like a divine wind buff

which starts once you attack the usa and gain massive buffs

but you will loose them if you havent captured certaint territories within a time limit

[strange trellis]

what they need to add is what some other mods have is like a modifier for the war systems, like the war in north africa giving bonuses to axis while they hold or bonuses to allies as they win it, samething like the war in the pacific, which helps both sides get goals for the wars.

[visual willow]

mehh that sounds wayyy too competitive

[strange trellis]

not reall

its more so in regards to a moral system

like the UK will to fight

Which they are doing now for italy

as italy loses land it gives power away from mussolini and towards the council and will fire a civil war against the axis as they are loseing

which happened irl

samething happens for france if you try and fight the axis too early. And germany gets a civil war if they get a go to war too early, they already have it for other countries, would be fun to have some more flavor for the war cause rn its pretty boring for wars

[visual willow]

germany goes into civil war if they go to war too early?

[quartz bronze]

If you go to war with Czechoslovakia and fail to kill them quickly enough

[strange trellis]

correct, you lose hitler, pop a civil war, and a chance nothing happens which historicla was going to happen if germany went to war too early with the czechs

[strange trellis]

doesnt matter if kill them fast or slow, it happens the moment you go to war based on a chance event

[quartz bronze]

I think I was mixing it up with the Hitler coup if you take too long with the Czechs

[ancient merlin]

Yeah TWR is actually based of all things that can happen in vannila just made better, Vichy France become normal, and of course the death of hittler and the civil war can happen in vannila

[gentle willow]

Yes, TWR is based off all things that came with modifications. The BFB was dlc that added the ability to travel on boat and being able to travel was great. Let us have more focuses for Tannu Tuva and Liechtenstein like before.

I just don’t know

[split coyote]

IT'S ABOUT TIME WE CAN DEMILITARIZE ZONES

[zenith lagoon]

dude you're weeks late with learning about this

[vestal scaffold]

What happen if we DMZ a whole country?

[quasi root]

Am I seeing it correctly that with the new state division you won't be able to cross the Swiss Alps

[vestal scaffold]

Maybe we won't be able to

[quasi root]

(top left corner btw)

[vestal scaffold]

wow

Switzerland be a super fortress now

[quasi root]

Ah yes, Festung Schweiz

[strange trellis]

Good catch I didn’t notice it

[tame crag]

What if you dmz the whole country except for 1 province

🤔

[unborn iron]

Demilitarizes Luxemburg

[zenith lagoon]

It's possible in theory

[zenith lagoon]

Deathstacks

You dutch btw?

[tame crag]

👀 no

[solid gyro]

This is news to me

[analog lion]

if you play with historical ai on then its unlikely to happen

[zenith lagoon]

Then why do you have a lion, the dutch flag in a countryball and cheese as your name

[wind iris]

New patch is really something

[tame crag]

The cheese part is random

And the dutch flag with lion is a benelux country ball and i thought it looked kinda goofy

[visual willow]

everyone is a dutch nationalist

in denial or otherwise

[wind iris]

Imagine bike nationalists

[tame crag]

Yes

Imagine

[zenith lagoon]

Ah Leo Belgicus

[zenith lagoon]

I'm (officially speaking 50%) Dutch but I don't really get that nationalistic for it because, well, have you seen Dutch politics?

Anyway we're getting off-track from latest dev diary

Italy stuf

[tame crag]

But yes im dutch

[wind iris]

Imagine biking

I did bike but I am more into triathlon

[zenith lagoon]

I have to bicycle 15-20 minutes every morning and then afternoon to and from school

[wind iris]

Latest dev diary: BIKES

[zenith lagoon]

There are already bicycles in-game, but they're sadly exclusive to the Netherlands and Japan, and even then they're locked behind a focus. PLEASE PARADOX, change that

[wind iris]

Yeah, that is what I thought

[tame crag]

Yes

Non focus dutch bike units

[grave hollow]

Gekoloniseerd

Bike divisions are cool

I like going into the EU faction and then grabbing France with bikes before annexing them to form the actual EU

[grave hollow]

Paradox has weird flag designs lol

[gentle willow]

DMZ is cool. We can solidify borders if states and assure that the Holy Roman Empire proves its land to the elites and elitists. We must enforce these changes by creating airplanes that can drop the money as the banks are too dangerous.

(I am joking, I am just randomly saying stuff to elicit a response from somebody)

[ancient merlin]

you can but i think you can remilitarize and im guessing the more of the country you dMZ it gets poggressivly more expensive

i hope in new peace deals you can give land to puppets

[visual willow]

But.... you can?

[ancient merlin]

How

[harsh hull]

During peace deals, you can choose which of your puppets/allies/what-have-you you want to get a particular state

You can't give land to your puppets outside of peace deals though

[ancient merlin]

How

[harsh hull]

There's a list of flags off to the side when you're conducting a peace duel

You click the appropriate nation to change the active recipient of a given state

There's probably more nuance than that, like who needs to spend the war score for the state

But I'm not too sure on that, because I'm a greedy person and just take all states every time

[ancient merlin]

Dam

[ancient merlin]

I guess it’s helpful like giving Malaysia to Indonesia to form the formable thing

[drowsy plank]

Also given the fact that only the top two participants usually get to actually take land in multiplayer peacedeals due to how they currently work its necesarry to use that to actually give all your faction members the land they want

[nocturne hinge]

This should be a dlc

[zenith lagoon]

yeeaaaaahhh that's questionable at best

<@&846894118219022336>
(Off-topic and clear NSFW implication)

[solid sun]

Thank you for the ping

[nocturne hinge]

Took you long enough :DD

[solid sun]

Will improve ;))

[nocturne hinge]

Look into Hoi legacy I made a new one

[zenith lagoon]

Dude are you doing ban-any%

[twilit knot]

I'm not smh

Kut Nederland 🇸🇪

[visual willow]

sweden is dutch

[twilit knot]

Iedereen is van de Wereld en de wereld is van Nederland sadly, damn it Dutch nationalists

[visual willow]

England was once conquered by the dutch, which was once Norwegian, which is scandinavian, which is where sweden is

[tame crag]

Now onto my 10 pharagraph essay on why the netherlands has rightful claims on 70% of the world

England was conquered by the dutch

So theyre rightfully dutch

And they had lots of colonies

So those colonies are also dutch

[visual willow]

the netherlands also owned new york once, which is one of the biggest US cities, making it also our rightfull territory

[tame crag]

Yes yes

We also had some ports in japan once

So that means we have claims on them too

[solid gyro]

Dont give paradox ideas

[visual willow]

and we where the only one that could trade with them when the portugals tried to convert them

[solid gyro]

I mean tbh that didn't go well

[visual willow]

doesnt matter, one extra country

japan also once had a chinese puppet state, which shouldve been all of china

which is ours now too

[tame crag]

Spain once ruled us

So we have claims on them now

And their former colonies

And since portugal is rightful iberian land we also claim them and their colonies

[visual willow]

we are also germanic

so there goes germany

which started from prussia

which is what is now both poland and russia

so we get that too

[past stratus]

Actually

I think mengugko should have claims on all of the former mongol empire

[surreal wharf]

Cores on all mongol and Turkic

[small isle]

Epic

Texting now

Did you get it?

[solid gyro]

<@&846894118219022336>

[zenith lagoon]

Given the method you're saying "we" I assume you're also Dutch

[visual willow]

Mogelijk

[zenith lagoon]

Je kan net zo goed "ja" zeggen maar ok

Verrassend veel nederlanders/nederlands sprekenden hier

[thin magnet]

Englsih only please

[zenith lagoon]

Aight

[thin magnet]

Thanks : )

[short needle]

you're welcome

[unborn iron]

And the Holy land was once conquered by brits. Which automaticly also claims you the middle east.

[tame crag]

Paradox should add a focus that annexes all claimed lands

Aka the whole world

Dutch supremacy

[plucky folio]

Average dutch player after this update: * puts claim to the water *

[zenith lagoon]

I mean, that is us in a nutshell

and then the ocean did a quick uno reverse in 1953

If you know you know

[plucky folio]

xd

[zenith lagoon]

Wait you understand what event i'm referencing?

That's surprising

[tame crag]

That made us stronger

[zenith lagoon]

Well yes

But it did kinda give a lot of people free swimming lessons

Or even better, gave them breathing underwater 101

[tame crag]

Its a sacrifice im willing to make

[zenith lagoon]

I know someone who has survived that event and still lives on a (now monument) farm from that era

[tame crag]

Nice

[grave hollow]

it was basically a wakeup call for the government

but it's kinda sad that 1800 people had to die for the government to realise the dikes needed improvement

same thing happened with the 1916 flood, albeit with far less casualties

[visual willow]

Tbf it was a drastically extreme event

There where 2 events that made the sea really high by themselves, and they occured in the same night

[grave hollow]

yep

but then again

we've already surpassed the level the sea was at in 1953 a few years ago

[visual willow]

True but that was a lot slower and with worst technology

[grave hollow]

whut

[arctic pine]

I like that they attributed state control of military production to the lack of innovation when that was the cause of Germany's WW2 problems, they called Fascism Capitalist, and the USSR gets a massive bunch of buffs for that

Fellow player on the research debuffs of Italy

[solid gyro]

Yea

Paradox just isn't the greatest when. It comes to historical shit

Germanies Industry had massive problems and such and perhaps should even get production debufds and research

And the purges of stain did more harm then good and such

But eh

[solid gyro]

Global Anarchist council is thr best we get 😔

[solid gyro]

there needs to be a germany state rework imo

[visual willow]

Hopefully in the second germany rework, if it ever comes

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-carribbean-attack-ship-explosion-splinter-gif-9274284

[mortal kiln]

///////

[slim escarp]

u forgot bremen and berlin

[solid gyro]

huh? i didnt mean to make the modern day german bundesländer

[slim escarp]

oh ok

[solid gyro]

Nice pfp

[mortal kiln]

thanks you have a nice one too

[solid gyro]

Thanks

[ancient merlin]

sweeds colonised russia partially so sudan is russian

[zenith lagoon]

wait what

ahh

[rapid onyx]

j mcgill

[plain elm]

You guys excited for the swizz DD tomorrow?

[grave hollow]

[rapid onyx]

swiss d?

[plain elm]

The switzerland dev diary for By Blood Alone 😄

[full wyvern]

Oh tomorrow

[rapid onyx]

loving the swiss D

[full wyvern]

Noice

Cant wait for 47 neutrality based focuses

[rapid onyx]

100% defence on core

[plain elm]

A prophet

[unborn iron]

Only 100. C'mon you can do better then that

[quartz bronze]

I'm ready to see the Swiss Maginot with level 9 forts along its entire border.

[soft panther]

tnrw

[topaz kettle]

Italy isn’t gonna be trash now 😎

[soft panther]

why not italy #2

then other countries

but I respect yall's decisions

[snow lion]

lol

[snow lion]

ha!

im super exicted for by blood alone

[soft panther]

Sams

[prisma wing]

DD today ? Is not the next week ? 👀

[drowsy plank]

I mean Italy isn't really trash now in MP, it has a lot of early game advantages. Especially compared to France and Russia

[solid gyro]

No debuffs and after Ethiopia you could have decent light tank division

But after new dlc maybe not

[tardy knot]

Sure fills me with hope that apparently the Italy tree is designed by a single person who has full creative authority and apparently doesn't remember why he took half the decisions he took

[ancient merlin]

Oooh

[open delta]

Saw the New swiss tree Wonder what the Alt History Is about

[open delta]

also

dog

[soft panther]

@open delta

the focus tree is super small

[open delta]

I know that.

But It has an alt tree.

as mentioned in the Image In the dev diary

[harsh hull]

[Record Scratch Sound] If that’s how you imagine Swiss life during World War II, I got news for you buddy, that is far from how it went.```

But what if I wanted to make fondue, process nazi gold, and stay out of the war entirely while watching Europe burn around me

[soft panther]

it's kinda lame but this dd was rly small so I'm just gonna wait until the next swiss dd comes out

[young surge]

Switzerland having only two focuses would be perfect country for world conquest

[plain elm]

The best fluffy boi

[soft panther]

@plain elm

there's more to the focus tree?

it says wip

beside

that's blurred

[plain elm]

Yes, we use WIP on every picture to show that things arent completely final and are subject to change ^^

[soft panther]

oh so there's more to the focus tree

Ok

@plain elm I'm sorry for pinging u multiple times but is the today's dev diary only the historical path? And the two alt history to the sides are for later on?

[plain elm]

Sort of yes ^^ There will be another DD for Switzerland later down the line 😄

[soft panther]

Oh ok thank you

[wet shore]

the Swiss tree looks crazy. Looks like they added an extra state for Austria too

[soft panther]

@wet shore yeah

rly excited for alt history

[open delta]

If only we got a Austrian focus tree

then the whole alpine region would be complete

[visual willow]

somewhere else down the line probs

[open delta]

and yet yet yet yet another habsburg

[tardy knot]

World Conquest duh

[open delta]

Because paradox loves habsburgs

[arctic pine]

I mean

Just have Otto be an Austrian character at game start and move him to Hungary if they invite him

Why would the legitimate Habsburg claimant not ascend to the Austrian throne?

(Changing Austria to austrofascism would already be a step forward)

[visual willow]

was he even in austria at that time?

[arctic pine]

No idea, but I'm pretty sure DDR's communist leader was in exile at game start

He lived in Switzerland and even in 1937 he considered himself legitimate Kaiser

Huh, Italian Wiki says the Nazis planned an immediate invasion of Austria if Otto was ever reinstated

[grave hollow]

the austria hunagry path for hungary makes no sense

hungary despised the dual monarchy

[arctic pine]

Anyway, I hope my suggestion about the impassable borders is taken in consideration

[grave hollow]

I'd be happy if they moved this to austria if they ever get a full tree

and then a greater hungary tree for hungary

[arctic pine]

There's something that really throws me off about seeing two of the major Alpine passes blocked off for "gameplay reasons"

[grave hollow]

lol

paradox moment

[arctic pine]

Apparently prince Amedeo, duke of Aosta (viceroy of Ethiopia) was taken into consideration as candidate for the Hungarian throne

His younger brother Aimone was put on the Croatian throne with the name of Tomislav II

[grave hollow]

Amadeo

yes

[visual willow]

austria-chzechs-hungary- and then maybe slovakia?

[grave hollow]

no just for austria

[arctic pine]

I mean, in my mod I have Otto's younger brother Robert as claimant of the duchy of Modena

Soooo yeah

[wet shore]

i sat down and thought about an Austrian focus tree, but idk what it could possibly include.

[grave hollow]

austrofascism tree sounds fun

[arctic pine]

Securing an Italian or Allied guarantee sounds like a no brainer

[wet shore]

i mean, yeah but other than that, there's nothing. You can already form Austria Hungary as Hungary

[arctic pine]

Imagine all three of Italy, Austria or Hungary able to deepen the Rome Protocols

[grave hollow]

they should move that path to austria

it makes no sense for hungary to have that path in the first place

[arctic pine]

Remove A-H from Hungary, give to Austria, Greater Hungarian path for Hungary

[grave hollow]

that's literally what i just said lmao

[wet shore]

I agree, but then Hungary would have nothing

[grave hollow]

greater hungary path

[arctic pine]

Hungary needs an overhaul

[wet shore]

eh, you can already do that through decisions

[wet shore]

a lot of nations need an overhaul

[soft panther]

bro when is the swiss communist path be shown

[wet shore]

next week, along with the fascist path

[soft panther]

no

it's ethiopia

next week goof

[wet shore]

ah

[soft panther]

@wet shore today was just the historical

I think

neutrality

[wet shore]

ah, so they are just showing the historical paths first

[soft panther]

that's what they do

yeah

[arctic pine]

What was I saying?

I forgot

[soft panther]

I kinda wanted to see italy alt history today

but swiss is fine ig

[arctic pine]

I posted this in the DD replies

[wet shore]

idk, something about Hungary needing an overhaul

[visual willow]

probs in 3 devlogs

[soft panther]

@visual willow yeah

ethiopia

air changes

idk

maybe in 2 weeks

[arctic pine]

Why Mont Blanc isn't impassable is beyond me

[soft panther]

because they already went over air changes and conference

[open delta]

1. Austrian empire/Habsburg (Karl I My boy) 2. Holy roman empire 3. Reverse Anscluss 4. Communism 5. Democracy 6. Some sort of Balkan Union of sorts 7. Unite the alps! 8. Communist Danubia 9. Dumb over Italy 10. Dumb over Hungary 11. Austria-Hungary but better In every way 12. Neutral (That's all I can come up with)

[soft panther]

@visual willow

[grave hollow]

lmao

austria isn't balkan

[soft panther]

bro why do we need Austrian focus tree

without austria germany is so ass

[arctic pine]

Austria into Mitteleuropa Kaiserreich

[open delta]

I never said anything like that.

[soft panther]

and weak

[grave hollow]

lmao

[open delta]

So your saying latvia nor estonia nor any baltic can have a focus but not Austria?

[arctic pine]

And why is that a con?

I know a few people whose favourite thing to do in HoI4 is screw over the Reich

[soft panther]

k

[wet shore]

A united alps would be cool, you can already make the HRE with monarchist Germany, Danubia is just A-H but a different ideology (already in the game), and reverse Anscluss is dumb

[arctic pine]

Hell I made a mod that lets me replace Hitler if I puppet them as Italy

[open delta]

I Just found the HRE More fit the Austrians but that's Just me

[arctic pine]

Austrian Empire -> Austria-Hungary, United Alps, South German Confederation?, IDK

[visual willow]

you can already make the HRE with monarchist Germany
what about another

[wet shore]

I agree, but it's already in the game, so there's no point in adding it to Austria

[open delta]

Austria gets revenge from brother war and Forms Germany but cooler:

[arctic pine]

Besides, the historical Kaisers of the HRE had been Habsburgs since the 1400s

[visual willow]

in that case why tf add focus trees add all, some countries already have unique focus trees why add more???

[arctic pine]

Besides, the argument that a country can't have a formable because another already has it doesn't even hold any water

[wet shore]

why is that?

[arctic pine]

A Belgian tree would likely have a way to form the united Benelux

[wet shore]

Or Burgundy

[arctic pine]

And I bet all Scandinavian countries would get a way to achieve the formable

Why would Belgium even form Burgundy when for the majority of history it wasn't even part of it?

[open delta]

I just want a swedish empire focus tree!

and It doesn't really make sense for Sweden to make the Kalmar union from a historical perspective that's more like Denmark (and maybe Norway)

[wet shore]

A part of Belgium was almost always part of Burgundy, and besides, it would be cool

[open delta]

Wasn't like burgundy a nation before or something?

[wet shore]

yeah, in the middle ages

[arctic pine]

That's older than the version you're referencing

(Kingdom of Arles)

[grave hollow]

we just need a Degrelle path

he was the burgundianist iirc

[arctic pine]

These were territories under the house of Valois-Burgundy in the 15th Century but they weren't part of Burgundy, they were junior partners in a Personal Union

[wet shore]

The Burgundy most ppl know included almost all of Belgium and even Holland at some point

[wet shore]

ah, i didn't know that

[arctic pine]

Either you mean Lotharingia or this PU

[grave hollow]

Burgundian Netherlands

[grave hollow]

aka this

[arctic pine]

A PU

[grave hollow]

PU?

[arctic pine]

Personal Union

Separate countries, same monarch

[grave hollow]

yes i know that..

[wet shore]

Belgium could also have a path to split into Flanders and Wallonia.

[grave hollow]

hmm

maybe?

[arctic pine]

The region that is now Belgium used to be part of the kingdom of Lotharingia

[grave hollow]

flemish-walloon tensions were a thing but not that problematic it would split in two

[arctic pine]

Well, not Flanders because that was nommed by France

I mean, they did prefer to leave the Netherlands together

[grave hollow]

purely based on religion

[arctic pine]

I mean

There were also economic reasons

[grave hollow]

they were catholic, most of the netherlands was protestant

including the monarch

[wet shore]

i mean yeah, but how realistic is Mussolioni being able to for Rome?

[grave hollow]

wallonia was definitely the richer half of belgium

[arctic pine]

The crown was using the South's economy to strengthen the North

[wet shore]

they had more steel, right?

[grave hollow]

due to industry

yeah

[arctic pine]

Not realistic at all. An Italian Empire would be nice

[grave hollow]

natural resources

which made it easier to build factories there

[arctic pine]

Though I am staunchly opposed to Emperor Mussolini

Or gags "Augustus Mussolini"

[grave hollow]

the north was still very agricultural, or with light industry

mainly textile

[wet shore]

the most unrealistic nation would probably be Byzantium or the Imperial Federation

[grave hollow]

italian byzantium? wtf

[arctic pine]

Welp, you know what

I think I'm going to go

[visual willow]

how so imperial fed perse

[glass oracle]

ever seen bulgarian byzantium?

[arctic pine]

gasp

Outside

[grave hollow]

oh yeah that's a thing right

in hoi4

[arctic pine]

🤮

[grave hollow]

don't have the dlc yet

[wet shore]

or Ottoman Third Rome.

[glass oracle]

idk if it's a thing

[grave hollow]

if they have bulgarian byzantium they should totally add italian byzantium

[arctic pine]

Russian Third Rome is even worse

[glass oracle]

but ik a mod that lets any balkan nation form byzantium

[wet shore]

that's in the Great War mod

[grave hollow]

OH

ok phew

[arctic pine]

Russia's claim to Romanitas was dead with the Rurikovich dynasty

[glass oracle]

oh ok

[arctic pine]

At LEAST the Ottomans could claim right of conquest

[wet shore]

Russia at least has some cultural ties with Byzantium, the Ottomans are ppl from Central Asia

[visual willow]

restoring it in 1936 though?

[arctic pine]

Said cultural ties being "having been slapped around by the Mongols"?

[wet shore]

it's just as realistic as Italy restoring Rome in 1936

[arctic pine]

Orthodoxy does not Romanitas make

[grave hollow]

at least mussolini was using italy's roman heritage for propagande purposes

[arctic pine]

There was only one Rome, two cities, and it ended in 1453

[grave hollow]

stalin definitely wasn't doing that 😂

[arctic pine]

Well, technically the last remnants of Constantinople fell a decade later

(Trebizond)

[grave hollow]

ravenna would like to have a word

[arctic pine]

Ravenna was the de facto capital but Rome was de jure

[quartz bronze]

The Swiss tree is based. They finally have a dog as an icon of a focus.

[grave hollow]

smh dogophiles

[wet shore]

Russia should be able to make an Orthodox super state in the game, not 4th rome

[visual willow]

nah mate, russians kept the byzantine torch running
FINLAND, is the last piece of the roman empire, being the last territory that "belonged" to the last tsar smh

[grave hollow]

slav union is good enough

[arctic pine]

Russia's claim to Rome died with house Rurikovich

[visual willow]

still russian monarch, counts

[wet shore]

Tbh, i think France should be able to form Rome.

[visual willow]

frankish empire rather

[wet shore]

Didn't the franks claim to be the next Rome tho?

[arctic pine]

You could as well say Austria had a claim to the West as they were Catholic, technically overlords of Northern Italy, and inherited the claim of the Spanish monarchs who inherited them from the nephew of Constantine Palaiologos

[wet shore]

rly?

[visual willow]

at last, the HRE is a legit roman empire

[wet shore]

lmao

[arctic pine]

Basically

But only starting from Charles V

Tho I think the Sack of Rome instantly made his claim null

[wet shore]

Tbh, an Austrian Roman Empire sounds really cool

[arctic pine]

1527, dark dark year

The modern age was a massive step back in some fields

[visual willow]

the historical strech would be wayyyy too much

[arctic pine]

Just look at when the jerk who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum lived

[wet shore]

I mean, so is Mussolini forming Rome, but i didn't see anyone complaining

[arctic pine]

(One would think the author didn't have the best opinion of women)

[visual willow]

that formable is a bit harder to get then just following a focus tree if it would be one

[arctic pine]

If Russia and the Ottomans have a claim, so does Austria

And Spain

[wet shore]

Honestly, the only fun path i could see for Austria would be an Austrian empire with 1815 borders (+ Silesia) and a focus to disunite Germany

similar to Monarchist France

[arctic pine]

Fun fact: Lombardy-Venetia held 1/6 of the Empire's population

And made up for 1/3 of its tax income

[wet shore]

Damn, the Italians were taxed way to much

[visual willow]

alt hist really depends on what they could get in it

[arctic pine]

While America was busy with that little minor thing called Civil War (I'm being ironic) Italy was busy trying to unify itself in identity after uniting politically

And Germany was halfway through its own unification

[wet shore]

tbh, the Italian identity wasn't clear up until the end of WW2

Mussolini arguably helped build it through propaganda during the war.

[arctic pine]

Unification was actually widely popular until it was achieved, but the lack of significant social change reduced its popularity immediately afterwards

WW1 sort of solidified it a bit already. Most of what Mussolini did was started by the previous generation

[wet shore]

true, and also the North/South divide.

[arctic pine]

That's kinda what happens when you have an industrial North and a very agrarian South impoverished by the previous lords' mismanagement

The Bourbons were just... not cool

Bourbon-Two Sicilies, arguably the worst Bourbonic branch

At least Bourbon-Parma made competent rulers

[wet shore]

and the fact that the Southern Italian accent was almost unintelligible to the north Italians

[arctic pine]

I mean, that is almost the case every other hundred kilometres

Ever seen a linguistic map of Italy? Looks like a jigsaw puzzle

[wet shore]

kinda like modern England.

[arctic pine]

Though Standard Italian was common among the Elites

Had been since the 1400-1500s

[wet shore]

yeah, but the Elites were 1% of the population

[arctic pine]

It was seen as "language of the cultured", thanks in no small part to Florentine poets and Florence's own wealth back in the day

Everyone knows Dante, of course, but the decision was taken thanks to Francesco Petrarca and Giovanni Boccaccio as well

Standard Italian was supposed to be "like Petrarca's poetry and Boccaccio's prose"

Dante was a bit too... foul-languaged in his Inferno

[wet shore]

so, did the other accents go away?

[arctic pine]

His style was more refined in the Purgatorio and hella refined in the Paradiso

[arctic pine]

Kinda still there, seen more or less as an interesting quirk

[wet shore]

ah, like the Southern accent in the USA?

[arctic pine]

I've got friends from across the whole country, I consider their accent part of the charm

[wet shore]

Does anyone have a different dialect anymore in Italy?

[arctic pine]

It's hard to equate Italian accents to American ones, especially considering that Italian accents are basically Standard Italian spoken with the accent of another language

[arctic pine]

Friulian, Sardinian, French and Franco-Provençal (AKA Arpitan)

Those are protected languages

[wet shore]

there are quite a few

[arctic pine]

There are over a dozen more that aren't protected by law

[wet shore]

holy shit

[arctic pine]

Slovenian and Croatian are protected in the border region

And dialects hooooo boy

You couldn't walk five kilometres and find the same dialect

[wet shore]

damn

[arctic pine]

And trust me, I live on a linguistic border

[wet shore]

i also heard that there's a South Italian-Greek dialect.

[arctic pine]

Just South of where I live goes the linguistic divide between Gallo-Italic and Italo-Dalmatian languages

[arctic pine]

There's also a South Italian Albanian dialect

[wet shore]

ah, yeah cuz there's a big Albanian population there

[arctic pine]

The Albanians of Southern Italy were already a sizable community before the 90s' immigration

They had been there since the fall of Albania to the Ottomans

This historical community is in fact predominantly Christian since they fled before Albania became Muslim

[wet shore]

Catholic or Orthodox?

Cuz iirc Albania was Orthodox before the Ottomans

[arctic pine]

Arbereshe communities

[wet shore]

damn, there are some that are pretty big

[arctic pine]

They are Catholics of the Byzantine rite

[wet shore]

ah

[arctic pine]

With a Latin Catholic minority

[wet shore]

There's a weird Greek-Italian accent in some Greek islands close to Italy, they event use some Italian words

[arctic pine]

You probably mean the Ionian Islands

[wet shore]

yeah

[arctic pine]

They used to be Venetian territories until the Napoleonic Wars

In fact, only Greek territory that never fell to the Ottomans

[wet shore]

Yeah, Crete was also Venetian for some time iirc.

[arctic pine]

Anyway, I was supposed to go outside but I guess I digressed lol

[wet shore]

they were also a British protectorate before the Greek Revolution

[arctic pine]

I can't stop myself when it comes to talking history

[wet shore]

lol, me too

[arctic pine]

What do you think of this btw?

[wet shore]

i think it's a good change

[arctic pine]

The Alps may be massive but they're full of mountain passes

[wet shore]

yeah, i also like the reworked Slovenian states

[arctic pine]

Did they add Prekmurje?

It's hard to tell

[wet shore]

idk, i think they added Ljubljana and another eastern state

[arctic pine]

Ljubljana is good for historical occupation though we are still missing Western Macedonia for accuracy

[wet shore]

true, and also Thrace is way too big.

[arctic pine]

Historically, many Slovenes from the German occupation fled to the Italian-occupied region

Too small actually

[wet shore]

i didn't know that

what? Thrace is was smaller irl.

[arctic pine]

Thrace is missing the Westernmost province occupied by Bulgaria

Imagine if they made a state for Alexandroupoli

Lol

[wet shore]

they could split Thrace into, Thrace and Kavala, that way, you can have the ww1 Bulgarian borders the ww2 ones

[wet shore]

there's a mod that does that, lol

they should add Mouth Athos as a state.

[arctic pine]

I'm still praying for a Trieste state

Can't bear to see it under Yugoslavia

[wet shore]

I think they have split Istria into 4 states

[arctic pine]

No, only two it seems

Littoral and Istria Proper

At least now Fiume is Fiume

[wet shore]

Ah, that's a shame, I was hoping we could make historically accurate post war borders

[arctic pine]

That'd require a lot of work tbh

And a lot of reshaping

You can't even get modern Croatia

[wet shore]

That's true, but there isn't much difference between Hoi4 Croatia and irl Croatia

[arctic pine]

Syrmia and Baranja

[wet shore]

Yeah, they are Serbian irl, right?

[arctic pine]

Syrmia yes

Baranja is split between Croatia and Hungary

[wet shore]

Oh, I didn't know that

[wet shore]

That's in northern Coratia, I assume.

[arctic pine]

It's the Westernmost province of Vojvodina

I wonder if Italy will have Guglielmo Nasi as a general

[wet shore]

Oh, I didn't know Coratia had a part of Vojvodina

[wet shore]

They did show a bunch of generals, so if he was a general in ww2, he'll probably be there

[arctic pine]

Hopefully now Bastico and Fioravanzo will have their own freakin' portrait

Rather than a mirrored portrait of a French admiral

[wet shore]

I mean, that's better than a generic portrait, lol

[arctic pine]

May all deities bless La Vittoria è Nostra

Arguably the best-researched Italy rework in the workshop

[wet shore]

Did it get updated to NSB?

[arctic pine]

LVN?

[wet shore]

Yeah

[arctic pine]

Pretty sure it is

[wet shore]

Nice, I haven't played that mod in quite a while

[arctic pine]

I'll check in the discord

Been NSB compatible since December apparently

Personally I use MikMogus' Mussolini portrait. Probably one of the best portraits out there

[wet shore]

Nice, I remember another mod for Italy, called Terrible History. Iirc you can turn Italy into the Papal Empire or something

[arctic pine]

LMAO

LVN actually has a secret Pope path

[wet shore]

I wish PDX would add micronations

Was Vatican city a country in 1936?

[arctic pine]

Been since the 1920s

[wet shore]

Ah, since Mussolini came to power then.

I wish there was a mod to play as the Vatican

[arctic pine]

"I wear sunglasses because I'm cooler than you"

Now THIS is a guy I'd love to see in vanilla

[wet shore]

My internet is so bad, the pictures haven't even loaded, lmao

[arctic pine]

Oof

[wet shore]

He actually looks like a Greek general during ww2.

[arctic pine]

Upgraded Badoglio go brrrrr

[wet shore]

He still has 1 attack

It seems like PDX really went historical when it comes to the Italian generals

[arctic pine]

Eh

Graziani doesn't have Desert Fox

He was one of the guys who reconquered Libya

[wet shore]

He was with Rommel?

[arctic pine]

I meant in the pacification campaign

[wet shore]

Ah

[arctic pine]

In fact, pretty sure the pacification was so bloody because HE was there

Guy didn't have many qualms about being brutal

[wet shore]

I heard a thing or two about that campaign.

[soft panther]

Honestly recent dlcs are better than rt56 and Kaiserreich

[arctic pine]

Meanwhile ubergigachad Guillet treating his native cavalrymen with compassion

[wet shore]

Eh, debatable

[soft panther]

@wet shore they are catching up

compared to together for victory

[wet shore]

True

[soft panther]

or like death or dishonor

they learned

[arctic pine]

DoD and TfV countries need a rework

Especially the Raj

[wet shore]

DoD and TFV feel like beta versions of Hoi4 when compared to NSB and BBA

[arctic pine]

The Raj's debuffs make no sense

Agrarian Society should debuff industrialisation

Not conscription

[wet shore]

I guess the Indians didn't wanna fight for a European country miles away

[arctic pine]

And the Marginalised Muslim Community shouldn't have such a massive conscription debuff considering 20% of the Raj's army was Indian Muslims

[soft panther]

@arctic pine raj and canada

[wet shore]

Tbh, I feel like Australia should get a new tree too

[soft panther]

hm

i want a japan and germany rework

but I think they are unlikely

idk

[wet shore]

They should have a path to form Australasia and split the Pacific with Japan

But yeah, Germany also needs a rework

[soft panther]

Japan too

they are super boring

[wet shore]

Yeah, and the Communist or Democratic paths are a death sentence if you wanna play seriously, especially in MP

[soft panther]

Yesh

Yeah

And the historical path lack everything

[wet shore]

Yeah

[soft panther]

@wet shore

Do u prefer a Scandinavia dlc

od a axis rework

or

[wet shore]

Scandinavia DLC for sure, the Axis Rework can wait

[soft panther]

Finland

[wet shore]

Finland would be a really fun nation with a tree

I'm not sure what Norway's tree would have tho

[soft panther]

Norway has lots of potentials

but sweden idk

[wet shore]

Sweden could reform their empire, Denmark can also remake the Kalmar Union or just conquer Norway. As for Norway, I guess they could add a couple of focuses to request lands back from the Danish

Like Greenland and the Faroe Islands

[solar yacht]

and the poor denmark? are you leaving out denmark from the fun? 😦

[arctic pine]

Winter War

Njet Molotoff

[solid gyro]

yea

sadly they didn't get a tree in nsb

[arctic pine]

Because apparently Ostland was more important

[wet shore]

Isnt Ostland basically Latvia?

[arctic pine]

It's Latvia but nazi dream

[wet shore]

Tbh, they should add trees for the Reickscomissariats

[arctic pine]

Imagine a tree for Albania lol

[wet shore]

PDX adding an Albanian tree would be less likely than a Liberian tree

[arctic pine]

At least they didn't wait til after a Bhutan DLC to make an Italy tree

[edgy walrus]

I like the new Swiss States, but maybe they should be more accurate to the language borders (French, German and Italian)

Only the Italian State is accurate to this

[tardy creek]

The oldest continuous democracy in Europe,

San marino is crying rn

[solid gyro]

You think there will be a Split Switzerland focus?

[edgy walrus]

There is one of this in Millennium Dawn mod

I'm thinking more in divide Switzerland in the peace conferences between Germany, France and Italy

[solid gyro]

Probably rare tho

[short needle]

why no tanu tuva focus 🌲 ????
⚽ ✅ 👍 🤣 😂 😕 🤓 👰‍♂️ 😄 😐 😎

wait wha

👰‍♂️

[soft panther]

Lmao

Bhutan dlc

Bhutan and nepal dlc

bigger than soviet and italy focus trees combined

💀

[tardy creek]

Omg

i just told dyno bot stfu

[arctic pine]

Have you seen the annoying guy in the DD replies who's ad-homming everyone who doesn't agree with the "focus tree mechanic baaaaad" take?

[arctic pine]

Another thing about the impassable areas

If they were really impassable

Why would Italy include those parts in the Alpine Wall?

[solid gyro]

Which mechanic?

[solid gyro]

They should've tbh

[arctic pine]

Focus trees as a mechanic

[solid gyro]

That's like the thing everyone loves about hoi4

It's the inspiration and the reason behind the Eu4 mission tree

[arctic pine]

"Missions are do thing-get reward by clicking mission, focuses are brainless click and wait as this arbitrary thing magically spawns you stuff"

Legit what this person said

[tardy creek]

how do u get to italy

[arctic pine]

You teleport

EZ

[tardy creek]

U just go thru swatzland

wait switz Swatz

= Swatz

tika

SWITZERLAND IS SWATZISAKA LAND

[soft panther]

ok honestly swiss looks funner than I thought

it's so indepth

compared to like traditional dlcs whete they would just add focus trees for nations

[solid gyro]

Tbh Missions are really boring, cause you click to get reward 100 Years into the game

[ancient merlin]

Ah switzerland the inventor of mobile warfare

Seriously that’s a lot of XP

[obsidian vault]

ehhh, they're WIP numbers... probably

[ancient merlin]

Who said this

[peak wren]

There is a reason in our mod almost every focus that gives you something, costs you something. No magically spawning factories etc.

Focuses are alright for making the player follow certain basic narrative/historic lines, but I'd say for the largest part this feature is badly done.

[ancient merlin]

What mod

[peak wren]

I am one of the developers of the Ultra Historical Mod.

Essentially, the industry focuses that spawn factories in vanilla only create a decision in Ultra, which when triggered costs you a bunch of civilian factories over a certain time before granting the new factories. It is usually cheaper and/or faster than building them, but it still costs you a lot.

We even tailored the amount of factories you get to what historical data was available about those projects, for example the "Volkswagen" focus for Germany was rather easy to adjust since there are excellent sources on what production capacity the initial factory actually had once finished.

[idle tinsel]

Ass we can

[open delta]

Do you think the Swiss has a Alpine focus?

Maybe In like an alt-tree

[soft panther]

idk

[arctic pine]

I think CarloPDX mentioned something

[soft panther]

@arctic pine

about?

[arctic pine]

Some Alpine stuff

[soft panther]

was it breif

brief

or specific

[arctic pine]

Kinda vague

[visual willow]

i mean, what else can switzerland really do lol

"join axis, join allies, rome protocols" are just barely not generic

[arctic pine]

Revived Frankish Empire

Revived Burgundy

I mean, add some memetic over the top shit please

They did the stupid effin' Cossack King for Poland

They did Fauxnastasia

They did WOJTEK!

[open delta]

If we ever get a Low countries dlc I don't Want the regular (Benelux Ya ya ya) I want stuff like burgundy!

[arctic pine]

Belgium

Is

Not

Burgundian

Never

Was

[open delta]

We'll that Is true I just wan't something that Isn't benelux

[arctic pine]

Lotharingia

Belgium and Luxembourg were actually part of that

[open delta]

If that we're to be added Francia should probably be added with it.

[visual willow]

where could burgandy get a tree?

[open delta]

No I said if the lowland we're to get a focus I wouldn't like it to Just be (Oh form benelux)

[tame crag]

When liechtenstein as playable nation

With a focus to buy alaska

[open delta]

Why'd yes

[shrewd marsh]

[tardy creek]

i bet theres a mod for tat

[ancient merlin]

Where do you find what the mods say

[wet shore]

I have a question about the new Italian tree, if Italy gets capped in the game, will they be able to switch sides like they did irl?

[small abyss]

i dont think so.

[viscid lagoon]

There is a switching sides mechanic but it works as a civil war

[wet shore]

Ah, so do you get to play as both Italian states then?

[quartz bronze]

I imagine you'll probably get a choice or stay with the side that you were already playing as.

I hope they let you choose which side cuz that'd be cool

[wet shore]

Yeah, especially for MP games

[soft panther]

ethiopia

[prisma wing]

@reef radish

[solid gyro]

In this servers spirit I will tell you this

GTFO

[pallid raptor]

e

[humble jasper]

I’m quite disappointed with the latest dev diaries. The GUI is copied and pasted for Italy and Switzerland. Switzerland content is a bit useless. All of the work feels very basic and just meh. NSB was amazing and was the best dlc yet and I feel it doesn’t live up to the quality of NSB. Some of GFX quality is disappointing and yet again isn’t as good as NSB.

Some of the GFX for Italy is amazing and is rlly good quality

But in places it feels rushed or not even looked at after being made so no changes

Ethiopia and Switzerland don’t really need content, Albania and Austria would of been a lot more interesting and better

[soft panther]

how long do they usually take their breaks

[tame crag]

Austria and albania also get annexed

💀

Why austria and albania above ethioia

Even though they all die

[soft panther]

@tame crag true

and if austria gets their own contents

germany will be super weak

especially if they refuse

[humble jasper]

Ethiopia could never beat Italy without outside intervention

[tame crag]

Austria also cant really beat germany in a normal situation

[visual willow]

Ngl could albania really have better content then the swiss?

[humble jasper]

Funny Albanian irrendetism

Albanian communism

Albanian Colonialism or something

[visual willow]

I imagine it would be a comprimise (joining faction, becoming puppet) or making a faction (rome pact)

[wet shore]

Is there any way to make Italian East Africa in Hoi4?

Or will that be in BBA?

[tame crag]

A focus that cores all of the balkans

:troll:

[grave hollow]

give away a concession to romania

how fun

[visual willow]

release ethiopia as puppet

[solid gyro]

Still a WIP, and there are still alot of features to go through

I think the extra ubti models more than make up for the lack of GFX

[quartz bronze]

Not to mention that sexy plane desinger

[autumn epoch]

good

[visual willow]

Austria would without player likely would almost never refuse though

[quartz bronze]

And in historical it wouldn't matter

If anything it would buff germany since the industry tree austria gets would likely be better than base game tree

[ancient merlin]

I mean chezslovakia still happens with death or dishonour

[soft panther]

what

what happens

[ancient merlin]

Like they still lose Sudetenland and get partitioned

[visual willow]

And if germany goes ahist then austria atleast has something

[burnt herald]

Switzerland is really interesting but they are doing it wrong for now

[visual willow]

how is switz tree wrong rn? 🤔

[distant imp]

when is belgium gettign a focus tree

or luxembourg

or syria

[quartz bronze]

My guess in never for Luxembourg and Syria. Small possibility for Belgium.

[onyx depot]

i feel like they could have added Albania and Austria in this dlc aswell. Albania doesn't need much content and could be a rather small tree but Austria would be a great choice for a focus tree

[visual willow]

they are gonna do austria in it's own thing i'm pretty sure. hopefully hungary and chzechoslovakia will have a rework then aswell

[solid gyro]

Idk i wont with nepal in hoi4 with no mods so i think wr need a nepal tree i aint even a pro player i usr 3 by 3 infant with artrillry cuz irk what ti makr

[nimble lodge]

true

[solid gyro]

tbh Nepal can't be invaded easily, would be a great country to play

[quartz bronze]

I'd say there's a lot more important countries to get focus trees for than Nepal. Nepal had like no impact in WW2 era.

[visual willow]

Nor had all too much chance to have an impact lol

[turbid needle]

Best i can think of is having a better base focus tree that allows human players to do better

[solid gyro]

Would be cool to see the kaiser win in Germany, and Hitler goes to Austria

would be wacky

A bit bizarre

Perhaps even a little goofy

[solid gyro]

Well you see as nepal i invadednindia now it took 5 years but still

But it affexted ww2 by uh

Germany lost still

But india wasnout of thr war and japan won against china

So i assume as me nepal i did good

[onyx depot]

Even quite mischievous…. If you will

[solid gyro]

I might even go as far to say idiosyncratic

[soft panther]

thats actually a good idea

maybe like red flood

his power is weakened but he still works as a politician

[wraith cairn]

nah pdx gotta suck out allof your money

not just a little

[onyx depot]

Yea. U right 💀

[solid gyro]

Yeah just like the guy at the bathroom did

[ancient merlin]

Can have 80 percent of army be special forces due to national spirit

[tardy creek]

Hitler dies in civil war

its garunteed

[solid gyro]

They can y’know

Change it

[tardy creek]

that wud remove a leader

[solid gyro]

also all the land is mountainous

[lofty vector]

no, he doesn't

he can become senor hitler

or adam hilt

in the americas

even become adolfus hitlerus

[tame crag]

The chance for that happening is 0.1%

[solid gyro]

Uh

No he would just go to Austria

It would be a more secretive path

But a cool one

[solid gyro]

Hey I need a dev cause I have a suggestion

[quartz bronze]

They likely wouldn't listen. Game developers in general don't really take suggestions.

[solid gyro]

Oh

My suggestion was gonna be a thing for Switzerland to shoot down planes that are violating the airspace

[quartz bronze]

People could try to claim ownership of an idea and demand like a cut of the profits or something like that.

[soft panther]

bro when will japanese rework be done

[quartz bronze]

I'd say likely never or if it does happen as like the last hoi4 dlc

[soft panther]

no

I prefer an axis rework dlc over random dlcs like for south america or the middle east

@quartz bronze

[covert helm]

Nah

Because it’s better for like most countries in the game to have a specific focus teee because eventually you will get bored of only axis and will want to play minors

[quartz bronze]

I'd say it's better to get focus trees to countries that would be relevant first and then rework older trees. However there probably won't be any reworks. If they were they'd be a paid DLC. Ultimately it's about making money and adding new focus trees would probably make them more money than reworking older ones.

[soft panther]

No

pls

[shrewd marsh]

When comes Etiopia?

Dev diary

[quartz bronze]

Probably the next one

[shrewd marsh]

Who Are you how you Get mp host?

[quartz bronze]

#server-news

[shrewd marsh]

Have u hosted alot? I havent seen u

[soft panther]

yeah maybe el salvador dlc bigger than german focus trees

[ancient merlin]

You may as well say he dies as it’s very rare

[undone atlas]

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but in the swiss focus tree there seems the option to ban fascism TWICE, once with the focus "Ban the swiss nazi parties" and down the line with "Ban National Movement for switzerland"

seems kinda redundant

[visual willow]

probs because not all nationals are nazis

[soft panther]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

National movement Switzerland was if I remember correctly more a general authoritarian nationalistic group rather than any fascist movement

[quaint sage]

paradox, we need this in the next dev diary, "switched italy with cuba"

[full wyvern]

Is the next dev diary tomorrow or thursday

[solid gyro]

true

I like minor countries they have interesting focus trees

I mean minor countries

[round root]

Minor?

You wild

[solid gyro]

Minor countris

[round root]

Well

I like both

[solid gyro]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[solid gyro]

Im getting Deja voo from those last 9 messages and idk why

[round root]

What does wip means

In hoi4

Like in the leaks

Idk it makes me think of America in 1800

[visual willow]

work in progress

[soft panther]

same

i rly like the baltic focus trees

[fair nacelle]

I kind of forgot the Baltic nations had focus trees

[tardy creek]

they cant consent tho

[tight wave]

Cant wait to see what they give Il Duce!

[tender iron]

thoughts on ethiopia's focus tree?

[tight wave]

the balance of power mechanic sounds interesting but was poorly defined.... if all 3 countries have it I wonder how it will affect the overall war, especially on non-historical games if the Swiss get froggy, or the Italians overthrow mousillini prior to 39

[tender iron]

if they overthrow mussolini prior to 39 ethiopia will probably win

[full wyvern]

If Italy fails they get that Ethiopian fiasco focus as well, if you remember

So it will be interesting to see what happens

[queen hatch]

🇪🇹

[forest pier]

Albania should get a focus tree instead of italy tbh

[twilit trout]

For the memes

[soft panther]

Lmao

[tight wave]

As an Italy player i agree. Give Zog more factories to turn over to his rightful ruler

[quasi root]

I wonder what the achievements will be

[crisp knot]

Mfw when they give Ethiopia a focus tree but not austria

[quasi root]

Ehh, Austria didn't fight a war and their resistance to the nazis was minimal so I don't think they should get one

Don't get me wrong it would be interesting but not every nation should have a focus tree

[solid gyro]

Austria has a focus tree, it's the default one

[harsh hull]

They should revamp the generic focus tree, and then give Austria the old one

[shrewd marsh]

I predicted buying of Jamaica as ethiopia

[tame crag]

Hoi4 players not complaining about a new dlc challenge: impossible version

[tight wave]

By that logic, the Cezchs shouldn't either, and didn't they get one in the balkans update?

[tame crag]

why do you want a austria dlc so bad

[dusty island]

I love how Switzerland and Ethiopia gonna get a focus tree before Finland, Denmark, Norway, Austria and Sweden.

[tight wave]

This. The nordics shoulda got a focus tree in No Step Back.

[visual willow]

I like how poland got a new tree before them though, considering it kinda is literally in the middle of the fighting

And Italy-finland-sweden would be a quite strange lineup, and considering paradox kinda wants to have focus tree stuff be half what related (though the swiss rn are half forced in but ok) it wouldnt make sense for sweden to have one yet, without sacrificing poland aswell

[tight wave]

Honestly I was furious when Italy didnt get its refresh when the Balkans did. I feel like they got robbed

[quartz bronze]

Tbf at least Italy will be much better than if it came out earlier. Some of the Balkan trees are a bit dated compared to the complexity of later DLCs.

[dusty island]

Yes but priority to the Nordics, c'mon you can't say they didn't play a crucial role in WW2

[tight wave]

True

[tardy creek]

CuS oF tHe AlPs

[visual willow]

Yeah fair, but which countries would you axe to give them trees? (And while still fitting with other countries in that dlc if you only axe a few)
Only one i can think of rn is BotB and just make it nordics instead

[tight wave]

Except the troubles in yugoslavia and greece were historically significant as well as the effort to bring the turks into things. That dlc was absolutely valid, even before you get into Bulgaria and Romania and their oilfields and membership in the axis.... finland shoulda been part of NSB.

[visual willow]

I know, but it was just the only one i could image being replaced for nordics
6 countries would be too much for paradox i imagine, and finland fits just as well as in a pack for the rest of the nordics too

[tight wave]

thats true and you're probably right. I cant imagine the staff writing DLCs and fixing bugs for a legacy game is all that big, given the other projects PDX has going on

[visual willow]

fixing bugs
if only

[tight wave]

ssshhhh

lol I live in a dream world of decent Italian armor and the glories of Rome

[dire pumice]

Plane designer gonna be op since reliability does not really matter for them

A wooden attacker with 4 engines + 2 guns gonna rampage

[tight wave]

maybe they'll factor in some sort of weight limitation or something

I'd say speed but the hurricane was wood and canvas and rocked out for a hot minute

[quartz bronze]

They'll probably change how reliability works for planes so it's not just 0% reliability planes anymore.

[cosmic falcon]

I'm glad that Italy is getting a new focus tree. Now we can turn the Axis powers into democratic nations and team up with the allies to fight the Soviets.

[soft panther]

thats super true

the focus tree would've been similar to japan

which is quite generic

[twilit trout]

Ah Japan

Having 4 paths of which one is the best by far

Tho TBF every focus tree has that problem

Except like

UK

And Germany kinda

[drowsy plank]

If reliability of a plane goes below 50% chances of losing them in air accidents, both during training and combat, quadruple

So you'd go from losing 2 out of a 100 when you have 85% reliability while training them up to 8 out of a 100 when training them up

[visual willow]

yet it's still quite low

[drowsy plank]

Losing 8% of your airforce just to train them up is low in your opinion?

That would mean that out of the 10k planes you usually have as a major power before war starts you'd lose 800 on training alone, not even counted the ones you'd lose to air accidents in combat, just because you didn't want to spend 25 air xp getting your reliability up slightly

[visual willow]

well for the cost to keep it high, probably

[plush widget]

Hi, can u up towered anti-tanks? they can't withstand new manufactured tanks?

[quartz bronze]

It's been tested and you're very likely to lose a plane in combat before it ever dies from reliability. No need to spend XP that could go to doctrines to help in dogfights when the vast majority of planes will get shot down before they break down.

[soft panther]

sure but not rly

if u look at the soviet union, yes they become kinda bad if u take ahistorical paths but they arent that bad compared to japan

they get their own advantages unlike Japan

[quasi root]

Does anyone know what the capital in the north is for?

Aussa