latest-updates

[glossy inlet]

Mordred my homie can we see the tree in its entirety I like to keep a collection of the focus trees in a folder and it wasn’t shown off in the dev diaries

[smoky sigil]

Will Mexico ever get an update?

[dim linden]

I don’t think they need a big update, just a little pass over like what NZ is getting in the upcoming patch

[green scaffold]

surely when the US gets a focus tree

them the rest of NA gets also

[pastel flume]

Have they mentioned anything if there will be like any mention of aboriginals?

Like how new Zealand have a spirit for the Maui

[keen totem]

not sure

[pastel flume]

Or like any aboriginal releasable nations?

[glossy inlet]

Mexico focus tree is overrated af

[keen totem]

should get an overhaul eventually

[glossy inlet]

I know when America gets a rework and let’s be honest so will Canada in the same rework and if Mexico doesn’t get a rework you bet your ass you’ll have people calling it bad and outdated

[keen totem]

yeah probably

[thick edge]

Canada/usa/mexico?

Uk/france/ireland?…

And that would be all big dlc

[glossy inlet]

No way are they gonna do two majors in one dlc anymore when they can make more money by doing a whole other dlc for France

[keen totem]

eh

[thick edge]

It’s worth a shot to hope for it

[stuck smelt]

Anyone else getting 502 bad gateway on the latest dev diary

[wet stag]

Forums have been undergoing a slight naval invasion, so it might be best to check again in a couple hours! @stuck smelt

Otherwise, it was also published on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1thmdht/thunder_at_our_gates_dev_diary_australia/

[coral drift]

Hopefully
But methinks while there would be an "Islamic Sultanate" content on one of the releaseables, or "Indonesian monarchy" content, there would be no "Indonesian Islamic Sultanate" content

And i'm saying "Islamic" as with the puritan, Saudi sense.

[coral drift]

There are a few sultanates who fits the first category, a few who fits the second. But you're just really stretching it if you want one for the third category

[drifting star]

Didn’t Malaysians and Indonesians have some crazy racial supremacy movement similar to the nazis ?

I remember reading about one a couple years ago

[coral drift]

Malaysians has one
The Japanese forced that on us during the Occupation, but before the war the Javanese are only "conservative nationalist" at the most rightist

So not count

[drifting star]

Do Malaysians see Indonesians as Malaysians, I know yall have a similar language

[coral drift]

Unless you count the Indies NSB, of course

[drifting star]

In the ethnic sense

[coral drift]

Not as "Malaysians", but as fellow "Malays".

I myself prefer "Nusantaran" term

[drifting star]

I had no idea those were different things good to know 😀

[keen totem]

arent indonesians and malaysians both austronesian?

[coral drift]

Mhm, so hence why in modern day, there are some bickering about "stealing culture" when the Malaysians claimed that Indonesian cultural stuffs are Malay.

Wayang, in the Indonesian sense, is "Javanese", "Indonesian", and "Nusantaran"

In Malaysian terms, it is "Malay"

[coral drift]

Yes
Also Filipinos too. Hence why Tan Malaka wanted all of us to be united

[coral drift]

In Indonesia, "Malay" only refers to the ethnic Malay group who resides in eastern coast of Sumatra, and also the Kalimantan coast.

In Malaysia, "Malay" refers to all Austronesians. So Austronesian Malagasy are counted as "Malay"

[stuck smelt]

Thank you for responding goodsir!

[wet stag]

Happy to help! 🥳

[coral drift]

Just wanted to tell you that the forums now worked on my end

Send my regards to the tech team

[cosmic stag]

they need to readd the MP combat battalion

[civic vine]

what's happening to NZ? I didn't see that they were giving it an update

[hollow coral]

dev response

just look through the dev responses on the dd

[civic vine]

Oh okay thank you

Most recent dd?

[hollow coral]

yes

[cosmic stag]

imagine if the Assault rifle tech was a sp

[civic vine]

I found it thank you

[drifting star]

Has anyone figured out the secret

[coral drift]

Aww nice, CEF has a communist version now

[drifting star]

Holy shit Czechslovakia can control the whole world

That’s insane

Wonder if they can get cores

[hollow coral]

still no hre

and unfortunately the last planned patch

[hollow coral]

whats this i hear

[cosmic stag]

we need the assault rifle tech as a SP

[drifting star]

A.E.I.B.U.

[drifting star]

It’s an acronym refering to there right to own the world

The Habsburg

[hollow coral]

here the great moravia btw

found it

unlocks decision to create the hre

unfortunately i cant do it

[lucid rain]

that's a new focus I see

the Usurp the Mantle one

[cosmic axle]

Border rating (aesthwtics)
Great moravia: 8/10
Serbia: 8/10
Bulgaria: 6/10
Greece: 7/10
Empire of japan: 4/10
Poland: 6/10
Bavaria: 7/10
German trans gov: 5/10
Prussia: 7/10

[hollow coral]

Thats the natural borders of japan

[still herald]

"Certain Czech characters now go into exile to some countries sometime after the 'Fate of Czechoslovakia' baring conditions are met."

Does anyone know which countries they're going to?

[keen totem]

can you show the focus requirements for the HRE focus?

[hollow coral]

It just needs the two focuses before

And also needs to be independent

[lucid rain]

just a minor nitpick but would the Baltic shared focus "Concessions to Catholics" be changed only for Latvia and Estonia to "Concessions to Protestants" as only Lithuania is Catholic?

[hollow coral]

I assume the uk

[keen totem]

probably the UK

maybe france

[lucid rain]

Unifying with Poland now grants their unit leaders. Does it mean generals ?

[hollow coral]

yeah

[lucid rain]

would that apply in an Austria-Hungary scenario by Austria or Hungary ?

[lucid rain]

would there be patches before the next DLC?

[hollow coral]

no more patches for pfot

[lucid rain]

ah

does it make Czechoslovakia better to play?

[hollow coral]

cant say for sure

[cosmic stag]

we need new units for a future dlc expansion

[lucid rain]

like what ?

[cosmic stag]

well like assault troops

[meager rose]

Poland, France and UK in the days following the event barring they are still the good guys. Soviets in ~1942 barring they are still a good guy at that point.

[coral drift]

Rewrite them as "Christians" and be done with it

[lucid rain]

well, there are party variations

for each country

like Overthrow [Root.GetNeutralParty]

[lucid rain]

I understand that but regional variations sound better

[hollow lion]

If any very last-second issues show up we might be able to contribute them to ToaG so they're released with it/with its post-release patches

[lucid rain]

I did talk about the Personal Leadership bug a lot for Sinkiang, Yunnan and Shanxi

one that persisted since patch 1.17.4

the gist is that you only get 35pp and unlike the other warlords that become field marshals yet Long Yun, Sheng Shikai and Yan Xishan can't

The ELSE_IF block in CHI_sea_personal_leadership should look like this (it was missing the limit block):

        ELSE_IF = {
            limit = {
                any_character = {
                    is_country_leader = yes
                    is_corps_commander = yes
                }
            }
            random_character = {
                limit = {
                    is_country_leader = yes
                    is_corps_commander = yes
                }
                promote_leader = yes
                custom_effect_tooltip = CHI_personal_leadership_custom_tt
                hidden_effect = {
                    add_random_trait = { old_guard brilliant_strategist cavalry_officer politically_connected career_officer infantry_officer war_hero }
                }  
            }
        }

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/personal-leadership-bug.1905478/#post-31145436
ShadowFighter found the bug, so it won't be that far fetched to fix it

I just hope this bug is addressed

[green scaffold]

no HRE and no EU

its so over time to refund pfot

[hollow lion]

||There is HRE||

[green scaffold]

oh

that's the Easter egg?

[hollow lion]

mhm

[green scaffold]

huge

[hollow lion]

I also improved the HRE decision so you can better see what territories you need

[fresh cedar]

GOATED developer. Cant wait to play after work

[keen totem]

hell yeah

great work

[drifting star]

Is that what the acronym means in the patch notes ?

Cuz when I looked it up it referred to Austrian destiny to rule the world

[hollow lion]

yes

[drifting star]

Ok thank you

[crimson tartan]

hoi4 is turning into eu4

oh wait

always has been

[keen totem]

what's the great moravia flag look like

[keen totem]

really like the fascist and democratic ones

[crimson tartan]

can see no shit man

pixels

[keen totem]

you can sorta tell

[crimson tartan]

we need vector graphic in hoi5

🤤

flag designer

[pastel flume]

Is it intentional that theres no communist name for great moravia?

[hollow lion]

Yeh

[fresh cedar]

Does anyone know how to form the HRE?

[pastel flume]

As czechs you have to do the usurp focus for the decision to be available

Usurp the mantle I think is the full name

[fresh cedar]

I gotta find that

[keen totem]

pretty sure it's a secret focus?

[fresh cedar]

I didn’t have it bc I was in Beta

[keen totem]

oh

i havent been able to play because unfortunately my monitor broke 😮‍💨

[fresh cedar]

RIP

[keen totem]

indeed

cant wait to play the new patch though

[fresh cedar]

It’s really good. Makes it a lot more worth expanding

Think the Moravian name change and flags are really nice too

[fading walrus]

"angry Victoria III noises"

"Sad Austrian noises"

[green scaffold]

HRE was always rightful bohemian land

[lucid rain]

would the Aussa use the Italian African troops as a unit model ?

[fresh cedar]

Don’t think so.

[lucid rain]

I was talking about that one

I actually meant these guys

the irregular

[crimson tartan]

wait whaaaaaaaaaaaat

you can see div terrait stats just like that

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-shocked-ariana-grande-ariana-wicked-gif-9352977018792188008

[lucid rain]

the reason being that Aussa uses the generic models

[fresh cedar]

This is a cool change

[vale plover]

Actual good change ?

woah

surprising

i did wish for a battalion designer

but this is pretty good

[cosmic falcon]

I wonder which country will get a dev diary next. Maybe Thailand?

[vale plover]

or indonesia

tbh i do wish we also had the option to add things like recon and medical detachments

<@&846894118219022336>
KILL THIS FELLA

[cosmic stag]

why dont they add them as combat battalions

[fresh cedar]

Bc they’re support

[vale plover]

i guess since they where company sized ?

again

i do wish we had

2 slots

1 for weapons and 1 for regimental support companies

[valid flame]

Dude why all of those have the same damn screenshots

[cosmic stag]

can or may i convert em as battalions?

[lyric coyote]

They will prob have batalion modifiers for the batallions above them

[cosmic stag]

alr

[keen totem]

i really like this

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-squid-game-season-2-cheering-hwang-in-ho-gif-15632671769177933181

[crimson tartan]

yooooo check this out

[weary sorrel]

<@&846894118219022336>

[crimson tartan]

and again

we have land and naval staff

and nothing for our air units

😭

[cosmic stag]

can or may i do this?

[sharp spade]

I mean at least it’s not 2016 air ui

[weary sorrel]

Anyways for the division rework seems interesting. But is artillery not going to be one of the regiment support companies as it was in the regular support company

[cosmic stag]

can/may i convert these to battalions?

[fresh cedar]

Nah bc they’re support

[cosmic stag]

alr

can i add em as battalions

[crimson tartan]

i can't get why we need this new row with hp, org and speed

like

man i can look at the table

it's not that hard bro 🥀

[cosmic stag]

alr

i like the regimental support companies

[crimson tartan]

and when i tried to add machine guns as a unit they also added it

they stole my idea😭

[thick edge]

Genius

[crimson tartan]

also my icon is kinda better

[cosmic stag]

who also likes them here

[keen comet]

I hope manufacturing of machine guns wont nerf minors too badly. Manufacturing guns already can be challenge to smaller nations leading to games where you cant build planes or tanks or having major supply issues due to trucks.

[crimson tartan]

i think pdx are not that tough to add machine guns as new equipment

it will be probably just more infantry equipment per unit

🤨

not sure

[keen comet]

I hope it wont be that i have to juggle my equipment from machine guns to infantry guns to artillery to support equipment.

having small or no air force is already annoying as minor nation.

[crimson tartan]

well that's how it was

🙂

you can also buy it you know

[keen comet]

with my two civies? i need those to build military factories

or infrastucture

or buy guns

[crimson tartan]

what is the country with only 2 civs

[cosmic stag]

are the new regimental companies worth it to use?

[crimson tartan]

broski we didn't even play it 😭 🥀

[cosmic stag]

alr sorry

[lucid pulsar]

Wtf is this

Guys is the new designer any good

[still pewter]

gansu ma iirc

[keen comet]

iraq, afghanistan and albania for few

[crimson tartan]

they all got focus trees

+100 civs

[keen comet]

1 billion civis

[still pewter]

mengjiang

[keen comet]

still no albania focus tree smh

[still pewter]

We have to build 20 civs in Gdansk

[lucid pulsar]

Is the designer free or not

[strong raptor]

So divisions now cost ressouces to train ?

[crimson tartan]

i gueeeeess so

[lucid pulsar]

damn

[lucid pulsar]

what

wheres the dev diary for allat

[crimson tartan]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/thunder-at-our-gates-ship-captains-division-designer.1923872/

[lucid rain]

Just give them a small one

maybe 50 or 40 focuses

like Aussa

[peak flame]

Thats for newer players, not everyone knows what the most important stats are.

And no, no new equipment. Infantry Guns use artillery and Heavy Weapons use a mixture of support equipment and infantry equipment

[polar jasper]

Peak, but didn't the dev diary mention that combat width would be shown there as well or am I blind/misreading things

I like the idea of showing new players what the most important things are

And combat width is up there

[peak flame]

It is

[polar jasper]

Holy smokes im blind

Ty

[cosmic stag]

alr

[lament quail]

Honestly I like it but I feel there should be more stats
Speed | Org | HP | Hardness | Armor | Piercing | SA | HA | Def | Brk
Those are the critical ones

[cosmic stag]

will the regimental support companies be worth it when they are released

[polar jasper]

Aa someone who enjoys speed, it isn't the most important

[peak flame]

That's not something I can answer without a super biased response lol, that's down to your own value judgement

Personally though, I really like them. Been using it a lot in my test games

[polar jasper]

Honestly, people can just look to the right for the specific stats they want. Just put the important ones up there and call it a day

Order doesn't matter

[lament quail]

Has there been any infodump on how the regimental support companies work?

[polar jasper]

Just that they are there matters

[cosmic stag]

alr

[polar jasper]

According to the old dev corner, it is percentage based I think

Or fraction based technically

[lament quail]

Oh missed the lastest news update, looking at it now

[polar jasper]

This dev diary i do not think mentions how the stats are given out

[cosmic stag]

anyway im hyped for TAOG

[lament quail]

Speaking of clarity, will there be any effort to make terminology less ambiguous?
Terms like "defense" which have different meaning depending on the context making often a guesswork understanding what is the intended one.
Similarly, unit type names being used differently dependign on the context (i.e. "Infantry" being used for the actual infantry battalion or for all infantry depending on the area, similar thing for artillery)

[crimson tartan]

there will also be huge devdiary about HQs 😮

hope next week

[peak flame]

Unlikely, those are all too baked in at this point

[crimson tartan]

main thing we need to change is regiments vs brigades

[cosmic stag]

they are readding em from hoi3

[lament quail]

Defence applying buffs to breakthrough as well depending on where it is used is also a big one and very counterintuitive

[lament quail]

Is it? It could be done with just localization changes for the player side

[coral drift]

Hopefully, wanted to see what the devs coming up with it

[brittle venture]

it would be great for learnability, though

[glossy inlet]

Its my birthday today and we get a dev diary like I predicted!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

Not that’s it’s about something I care too much about I just like being right 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🤟🏻

[weary crystal]

I LOVE NAVY!!!

I love ships, I love admirals, I LOVE the new captains feature!

[crimson tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-15511969263218455341

[glossy inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/glass-champagne-animated-tray-of-bubbly-toast-cheers-gif-15395745

[keen totem]

i really want to see siam and indonesia

[keen totem]

happy birthday

[glossy inlet]

Yo devs lemme shoot my shot and let me have see a sneak peek at the dlc 👀

https://tenor.com/view/curry-ball-galaxy-basket-basketball-gif-17152221060007105459

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey wish there was a 1944-48 gun that required a special project

[crimson tartan]

what if

in hoi5

we will have techs like special projects in hoi4

[fresh cedar]

Hey Mordred. Will there be heli support for the battalion support?

Interested in which vehicles will offer support if any

[crimson tartan]

there weren't any helicopters in ww2 🥀

[harsh hull]

Incorrect

They were starting to be put into general production (though not large scale production) by 1941-42

[fresh cedar]

Very wrong 🥰

[crimson tartan]

who's wrong bro 😭

there were very few helicopters even in late 40s

[crimson tartan]

yeah and

how is it proving i'm wrong 😎

[glossy inlet]

.

[crimson tartan]

i mean there were not used widely

[glossy inlet]

I mean it doesn’t really matter as they’re a special project

[fresh cedar]

You!

[fresh cedar]

Still can’t say they didn’t exist.

[tall dragon]

11 world wars!!

[green scaffold]

why tf do we need the 3d model and to display the same stats twice on the designer 😭

nobody cares about the 3d

and you literally already have all the stats

why do we need to make everything so squashed

[fading walrus]

well my OC cares about the 3D

I hate having Imperial German troops looking like the Wehrmacht

[green scaffold]

i mean you could fix that anyways we don't need a huge model is the designer

[peak flame]

It's also a button, you can change what your troops look like for that division template

[fresh cedar]

The Moravia formable is peak. Ik it’s just a reskin of AHE, but it looks so much cooler

[fresh cedar]

I care about the 3D

[keen totem]

also just makes it feel a bit more unique when playing through czechoslovakia

[gritty summit]

they frying u but u right

[crimson tartan]

magic warfare units also existed back then

you know

doesn't mean we need to add em

😭

or i mean
why would you make them regimental support companies if no one ever used it like that

[gritty horizon]

they didnt mention it in the post but i hope the new division designer doesnt lag as much as it used to post 1945

other than that it looks pretty cool, 1 less support company but a lot more customization (until meta forms) with the regimental supports

[crimson tartan]

wdym 1 less company support

[gritty horizon]

dont you get 4 in the new one

4 slots instead of 5

[peak flame]

The column expands to 5

[gritty horizon]

oh ok, interesting that it doenst show in the preview but good to know

[lament quail]

Opposed to how widespread use some of the other special project saw in WW2, such as ice carrier, carrier submarines, thermonuclear ICBMs, mothership planes and tanks the size of a building?
Special project are just wacky ideas that might or may not be good, some where historically used some were not and some were developed only much later historially.

[void yew]

Latest update. Created a bug that turns japan into the Mongol Autonomous goverment in 1936

This is vanilla

Cant be unchanged

[coral drift]

Huh, it sends the event for JAP instead of MEN?

[brittle venture]

this is a feature, not a bug

smh /j

[low plover]

Nationalist China: Reduced focus time from 70 days to 35 days for 22 focuses across the Industry, Army, Air, Navy and Politics branches 😮 😄

[fresh cedar]

I mean helicopters were used in almost every theater in some way. It’s not unrealistic to have them see greater use. Had Germany wanted to develop them more than rocketry then they would’ve.

[fresh cedar]

They literally were used for search and rescue/medivac/recon

It can apply to almost every form of support company

[green scaffold]

holy shit

this is huge

[meager rose]

In my opinion on the matter when this conversation came up when GD came out is if countries wanted to get helicopters off the ground (pun intended) they've could have put them into widespread use surprisingly early given the amount of resources other weapon projects were getting.

People just lacked the foresight to see their usefulness until later. Was kind of an aviation novelty at start date.

Of course you as the player have hindsight to know that they are useful right away.

[fresh cedar]

Saying helicopters are equivalent to magic when Thermonuclear ICBM launching nuclear submarines exist in game is wild

[fresh cedar]

Plus there really are different kinds. Like Spain’s wasn’t the same as those used later in Burma

[thick edge]

Ok this is hilarious

I need a picture of that

[meager rose]

When I did some light research on this for R56 when GD came out I was surprised with the amount of people on earth in 1936 walking around with the knowledge and the know how on how to build helicopters if given the resources that they would have access to postwar.

[fresh cedar]

Legit just a plane but propeller on top

But imo Autogyro and Helicopters should be separate tech with different functions

[crimson tartan]

someone used it ones != it was used on regular basis

[crimson tartan]

on regiments level? i don't think so

[fresh cedar]

It was used by basically every major country. Seeing increased used from 1942 and beyond.

[fresh cedar]

Well so yeah, if a helicopter is spotting units it generally isn’t to the benefit of a single platoon 😂

[crimson tartan]

so how many helicopters you need

if every regiment has helicopters

[fresh cedar]

I feel like you’re just mad helicopters existed before you wanted them too

[crimson tartan]

and you have thousand of divs

[crimson tartan]

i never said helicopters never existed in ww2

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-monkey-listening-monkey-speech-bubble-dumb-lion-lion-yelling-gif-977388511909412427

[crimson tartan]

i said they were not used in that large scale to make them regimental support

[fresh cedar]

Oh?

[crimson tartan]

and who's monkey 🤓

[fresh cedar]

You’re backpedaling your argument

[crimson tartan]

oh

[fresh cedar]

Yeah my guy you prefaced it by saying none were used

Then backpedaled when disproved

[crimson tartan]

yeah, no one used it as regimental support

it was either part of the air forces

or maybe division support

[thick edge]

Well he is the kaiser platypus, so not him obviously

[fresh cedar]

Game has 1960’s tech. MASH units came around late 1940’s to early 1950’s. Such units at a regimental level are completely logical

[crimson tartan]

that means he's mad 🤓

[fresh cedar]

Divisions aren’t just one homogenous blob as represented in game

They’re generally spread out

[crimson tartan]

it doesn't mean we have to put every single battalion in the game in regiment support

[thick edge]

I think there is a game that shows this

Battleplan

Ultra larp hoi4 micro

[crimson tartan]

yeah i know that very well
but it's purely tactical level and this game is grand strategy

[fresh cedar]

Alright so you admit basically anything goes then.

[crimson tartan]

😠

[fresh cedar]

You can’t be like “THEY NOT REGIMENTAL BC MAKE NO SENSE” then argue “GAME MAKE NO SENSE” 😭

Disproved your own argument

[crimson tartan]

i never said such a thing

alright

what country had helicopters as part of regiments

[fresh cedar]

Purely tactical level grand strategy. As in the finer compositions of divisions and their deployment is irrelevant

[fresh cedar]

what country had the RATTE as division support?

what country had Thermonuclear launching ICBM nuclear submarines in WW2?

what country had bears as its leaders?

[crimson tartan]

it is just fantasy

it was never used

🤓

argument irrelevant

[fresh cedar]

Again, disproving your argument as you’re saying helicopters were used by saying this 😭

[crimson tartan]

we already have helis as division support

[fresh cedar]

It’s okay, helicopters existed and as discussed countries could’ve used them differently according to their needs. This alone is enough to warrant it

[crimson tartan]

why you want it to be regimental

[fresh cedar]

Bc I don’t always want heli division support. Often I prefer other support companies

With them at regimental, I can get some of their buffs without the commitment

[crimson tartan]

so we should add all div supports as regimental supports right

[fresh cedar]

Helicopters make more sense than others. Since it’s a mobile, scalable tool.

Already going to have motorized heavy weapons

Helicopters are effectively a similar use to motorized in many respects

But obviously different use such as recon or medical

[crimson tartan]

let's start with that fact helicopter is an air unit

it should not be in the land division

[fresh cedar]

That is intended to land in confined spaces near battlefields 💀

[crimson tartan]

but it is the game

ok

[fresh cedar]

Helicopters make more sense as ground support than they do as dedicated air in game

They literally are support. Gunships didn’t exist until the 60’s

Transport, Recon, Medical are much more believeable

[crimson tartan]

cas are also literally support

tactical bombers

transport planes

[fresh cedar]

Yeah they’re not remotely the same. Helicopters don’t need airfields

They also don’t have the same speed, capacity or roles

[thick edge]

Ok I feel like yall are just arguing for the sake of arguing

[crimson tartan]

oh really

oh well

maybe that's true

anyway

[fresh cedar]

Naw, I asked about helicopters being in regiment support or what other vehicles would be as regimental support and dude flamed my question

[crimson tartan]

we don't need this since we already have them as divisional support

[fresh cedar]

Yeah VTOL is kind of the reason helicopters blew up 😂

[crimson tartan]

talking about ww2
proceeds to send modern pictures

😠

[fresh cedar]

That’s an autogyro not a helicopter

[crimson tartan]

that fact they were part of air forces sends it all

[crimson tartan]

ayo

[thick edge]

Autogyro has the front/back propellers iirc

Helicopter is just the big rotor at the top and the stabilization one at the back

[crimson tartan]

can see no land forces in here 🧐

see

[thick edge]

I see “army”

[crimson tartan]

they were part of air forces

[thick edge]

That’s pretty landy

[fresh cedar]

Again, as discussed when GDR came out. Had they wanted to they could

Just as any other alt history scenario can happen

Genuinely just mad helicopters existed and could be used differently than historically

Though I think autogyro and helicopters should be two different techs

With autogyro being limited to division recon support. Whereas later helicopters offer division/regimental medical/transport/supply

[crimson tartan]

no

as long as we have heavy weapons and default weapons as the same thing

😠

[fresh cedar]

They won’t be anymore wdym

[crimson tartan]

what

equipment is the same for everything

[fresh cedar]

Wdym

[crimson tartan]

they all just use infantry weapons and artillery

with different proportions

also it's kinda bad we can't add armored regiment support companies to the infantry battalions

because the whole point of infantry tanks was to make tanks support infantry

how can we support our infantry if we can't add tanks to the infantry division

[void yew]

Which mod is this?

[coral drift]

Free update for 1.19

[fresh cedar]

Next DLC is updating division designer

[fresh cedar]

That’s why I was asking which vehicles will be regimental support bc I feel like they just showed infantry

[void yew]

It does lock you out of the focus though. 🤣 The trail of that dude failed. because one of the things of the code of that trail probable. = Empire of japan. But my whole country code changed. So it failed. And thus locking my out of the focus tree.

[fresh cedar]

Realistically a tank regiment should have the scout tank attached to it

Or maintenance attached at a regimental level

[void yew]

For real? ok that is cool. I was afraid paradox would put in more bloat with more designers.

[fresh cedar]

Nah seems well done

[void yew]

I did like the feature of Hoi3 that you could attach a brigade to an existing troop on the field.

So got a sturmgezutch brigade. Attach to infantry division for extra oomph. Something the germans did a lot.

[fresh cedar]

Would almost want 2 support per regiment in that case too.

But I feel like it will throw balance off quite a bit

[fresh cedar]

Perhaps

[void yew]

So we will get infantry guns and heavy weapons now too? Also new vehicles? like staff cars or cars?

[fresh cedar]

Think they still just use normal techs atleast

[fresh cedar]

Idk if they’ve shown vehicles

I asked though

[crimson tartan]

ow i really want to know how hqs will look like 🤤

and want they gonna do actually

[thick edge]

This is big for menguko nationalists

[fresh cedar]

Is it not just the officer?

Like it’ll just be a division with a buff radius to it

[lucid rain]

what'll be the roadmap ?

basically that one warlord bug is still unanswered

[crimson tartan]

i mean

not the 3d models

just in general how they will look like

[fresh cedar]

Which bug?

[lucid rain]

the Personal Leadership one

[crimson tartan]

ayo also

if we have some funny fictional things like restoring old empires, building ratte and so on

can we have Bielefeld as well

🧐

[polar jasper]

We are so back

[void yew]

sturmgeschütz brigade! or well companies

Many german infantry divisions had an armoured company of stugs attached.

[polar jasper]

This is what I wanted. I just want a small tank company supporting a division, not an entire battalion

[tired quarry]

-Hungary "Germany, send me like 250 heavies so I can fill out my army with tank companies"

I like it

[crimson tartan]

in hoi5 we need to seriously rework air defence

i think we even need to add them as a new army branch

[lament quail]

Honestly I want the opposite, give me back super-heavy tanks as a frontline battalion option

[polar jasper]

Why not add both

[lament quail]

I'm not against more tank support

I just want my super-heavy line tanks back

[polar jasper]

I assumed that

[green scaffold]

-40% stats on every tile per battalion

🔥

[polar jasper]

Peak

[remote wolf]

any1 balkan?

[glossy inlet]

Chicago 💪🏻🔥

[weary sorrel]

NO

<@&846894118219022336> ban billybobster21

[fresh cedar]

I’m from New England, so kinda

[hollow coral]

im Australian is that close enough

[meager rose]

The northeast is like America's balkans if you don't think about it

[cosmic stag]

they should add a tank company

[glossy inlet]

To the balkans? Seems kinda risky 🧐

[feral forge]

90286099784698891, need a germany to HJ (December 1936 historical path)

[harsh hull]

<@&846894118219022336>

[remote wolf]

any1 balkan=?

[karmic atlas]

can you stop spammin in every channel?

[keen totem]

i kinda like this color

[meager rose]

Spent a good hour looking at the RGB color circle on photoshop like this:

[keen totem]

it looks quite nice on the map

[fresh cedar]

That’s my point

[dim linden]

The balkans are for sure like

Oklahoma and New Mexico and the Texas panhandle

[red mesa]

!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[hollow lion]

That certainly doesnt look right

Maybe itll resolve itself when the SFR caps

[red mesa]

bro what is this game

[remote wolf]

any1 balkan?

[oblique bobcat]

?

[timid vault]

Does hungary count as a balkan country?

[fresh cedar]

Why do you keep asking this? It’s like the 3rd or 4th time you’ve asked this in every channel

[fresh cedar]

Pretty tame for alt history tbh

[hollow coral]

Hes looking for any1 thats is balkan

[valid flame]

<@&846894118219022336>

[oblique bobcat]

no

Romania does

[keen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/hungary-gif-1142201547216426190

[harsh hull]

Counterpoint: Hungary can form the United Balkan Federation

Checkmate anti-balkanites

[wise reef]

Cool!!!!!!

It's better to be a Balkan hero, then an Austrian puppet.

[stable tusk]

Czechoslovakia could (well they can't anymore) also form the United Balkan Federation
This means that for a certain amount of time, Czechs and Slovaks were considered Balkan by PDX

[hollow lion]

I always knew they werent balkan, it was meant as a silly lategame easter egg, it was more prominent than I had in mind so using it like that was a mistake in hindsight

[keen totem]

awesome

[harsh hull]

Czechoslovakian

I cringe

[coral drift]

Glad that it is corrected now

[keen totem]

as it should be

[green scaffold]

tbf Czechoslovak Romania would sound weirder

[coral drift]

Teaser Monday?

[hollow coral]

I thought it was called that because you can integrate balkan countries (i think you can)

[vast shore]

Why did they rename the opium trade to 'trading illicit goods' btw

it was fine for 8y or so

why change it 'now'?

[daring knoll]

Because they are expanding into other forms of illegal activities 😬

[uneven relic]

hmmm

[hushed lion]

Ww1

[remote wolf]

any1 balkan?

[drifting star]

I hope Indonesia Raya is included

There’s so much historical attempts to create greater Indonesia or Malaysia it would be nice to see

[uneven relic]

i think

im getting addicted to this game

[bitter mauve]

Quit before it is too late

[glossy inlet]

What you guys think gonna be tomorrow

[fresh cedar]

CZE is a really solid tree tbh. Just did the HRE, was super fun

[fresh cedar]

Indonesia hopefully

[glossy inlet]

Alright I’ll say Siam we’ll see who wins

[coral drift]

It is good, but considering the vibes and applicability for the whole region, Bengawan Solo fits much more

[keen totem]

monarchist path might be my favorite now solely for the HRE

[fresh cedar]

Yeah used to be Little Entente but I’m gonna have to agree with monarchist too now

Legit all the Czechs were missing were unique and interesting end goals

[keen totem]

and now they have that

[fresh cedar]

Ik feels complete

[coral drift]

I hope the marketing team would utilize another Indonesian holiday from Tuesday night to Wednesday if this week is going to be Indies' time. Majority of us uses Facebook and YouTube way more than Reddit and ParadoxPlaza, i'm just an anomaly here lel
(Eid'l Adha in case y'all curious)

[keen totem]

im really excited to see what paradox has in store for the east indies and siam

[burnt saffron]

Yo can you actually core stuff with the pan-European union in the Czechoslovakia rework?

[old stone]

Paradox

[slim escarp]

@pallid sable

[coral drift]

Yooo

🇮🇩 🇮🇩 🇮🇩

[rocky oasis]

Hesse-Kassel let’s go!

[coral drift]

I'm still AFK, probably at 8.30PM I would do a deep dive on it on my server

Server's link in my profile

[hollow coral]

Its your time to shine

[vale plover]

The absence of a good naval path disturbs me

[thick edge]

Exactly what I thought when I seen this

[rocky oasis]

So, 2 Dutch loyalist paths with 3 outcomes.

[coral drift]

I'm still AFK, see ya at 8.30PM

[vale plover]

and independence is only possible with occupation

and the army path is tiny

[safe trail]

i find the focus tree very small

meh

Congo 2.0

[vale plover]

to be fair IDK if the independence path will have its own army and navy paths

if the ones showcased are JUST the ones for dutch east indies

and not indonesia

[vale plover]

i think we are gonna gonna get a whole new tree with indonesia

it was teased in the last pic

[safe trail]

yeah i know but iam not a fan of the play from colony to overlord

I got congo Trauma

[vale plover]

understandable

my bigger proplem is that it would take SOOOOO LONG to build a navy

[safe trail]

I Am bit scared that the tree is either boring to long or buged if belgium goes not hisorical you tree is worthless

as congo

[hollow coral]

Now this is a tree i want to play

[safe trail]

iam complet the oppsite

[vale plover]

I can't wait for the yugoslavia rework and resistance update

[fresh cedar]

RIP

[hollow coral]

I assume their will be other oaths to get independence faster

Considering this is likely the historical tree

[sharp spade]

It’d be cool to have a sultanate path imo

[wet stag]

imagine if we changed the schedule just because we saw this

https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-big-grin-excited-girl-giddy-smile-gif-9689369815152198607

[keen totem]

pretty sure they said they're doing another dev diary on the alt historical paths

[wet stag]

"keep your eyes peeled for the next Indonesian Dev Diary, where we will dive into the details of the revolutionary branch." - from the DD just now!

[keen totem]

👀

[coral drift]

If y'all want to see my own live deep dive, hehe

[wet stag]

Hey @coral drift, I've removed the link to your livestream as it's against the server rules to self promote a livestream here.

You'd be welcome to post a link to that VOD after the stream is finished, if it pertains to the content, like yours will be. ^^

[drifting star]

They all driped out

[coral drift]

Ah, okay.

[keen totem]

these look great

ABDACOM joint tree

[river nymph]

More joint trees 🥀

[safe trail]

joint trees are so bad

[wet stag]

What do you dislike about the joint trees? ^^

[safe trail]

too long and some focuses you cant take

[safe trail]

sometimes the you need the ai to play along etx

[wet stag]

Also, I just realised how direct that must've sounded, not intended! 😄

[safe trail]

congo

[river nymph]

You get permanently locked out of important bonuses if something weird and ahistorical happens

For example as Congo if you end up a puppet of someone other than Belgium or if you end up independent you lose out on all of the potential of the congo's focus tree

[safe trail]

congo is broken if belgium goes a diffrent route 50% of you focus tree is broken

Austria hungary too

[river nymph]

So many times ive spent like five hours on a Congo run and then had netherlands annex belgium or have germany peace out the allies and puppet me and boom, five hours of my time gone for no reason

Very frustrating

[wet stag]

That's fair feedback! I can imagine how frustrating it must be ^^

[hollow coral]

tbf you are playing congo

[safe trail]

joint focus tress work only in multiplayer

[safe trail]

AND? y payed it should work

[river nymph]

Yeah congo is supposed to be challenging but the focus tree should also like, work

[safe trail]

austria hungary has some of the problems not many but some

[hollow coral]

[river nymph]

More focus trees should be like france

Basic industry and ideology and military branches that give cool bonuses, but other than that you get to do whatever you want

[safe trail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/captain-phillips-look

[hollow coral]

😐

[river nymph]

Is this a hot take?

[safe trail]

in my perspective yes France needs a rework

[safe trail]

in singelplayer wee nedd a system that the player can somewaht force the ai to stay i the raster

[river nymph]

I dont like when reworks just add focuses that depend entirely on historical circumstances and railroad the player down certain paths

I dont like how now if Austria does something ahistorical you just permanently lose out on the cores from anschluss

[safe trail]

but france Politial focuses are bland have no flavour and you can do nothing 1941 plus (the monarchist paths are terrible)

[dim linden]

French tree is pretty mediocre

[fresh cedar]

Compared to newer trees yeah. Wish it had some unique formables even. But I always liked the freedom that tree granted

[fresh cedar]

Would rather it give partial buffs at the very least or take longer to complete. Like if the focuses take 35 days as a Belgian puppet, maybe free it would be 70. Or give less substantial buffs. To just be locked out of a huge portion of the tree is rough and honestly prevents me from coming back to it. I like HOI4 as you can kinda do whatever you want. But the Congo gets punished for this.

Love the idea of joint trees though.

[fresh cedar]

Thoughts on the tree so far?

[coral drift]

Join my VC on my server

OBS is doing funny

[fresh cedar]

Can’t, working

Haven’t read the diary yet bc of it

[coral drift]

Uhh, i'm compiled it right now, and it's many

I have several complaints already before i realizing that my OBS is acting funny and switching to my server's VC

[fresh cedar]

Do you hate it or what. Like from what they showed, what do you rank it out of 100

From your expectations to what it is

[coral drift]

Releaseables, 5/10. They only need to read the Regeringsalmanak (Government Almanac) to know the correct capital for each states

Also, it's Bintan, not Belitung

[fresh cedar]

Definitely should let them know in the forums

[coral drift]

It's already reaching 6 paragraphs if my rant on VC is transcribed

[fresh cedar]

I’m sure the devs will love that 😂

[crimson tartan]

hmmmmm

[river nymph]

Wdym the monarchist paths are terrible

The napoleon path is goated, plus its also very straightforward, no jank or relying on ai

[safe trail]

nah all monarchist path past this dlc are better Chile has a better monarchist france tree then france

[river nymph]

Ive started to hate other trees for giving zero freedom and making the entire focus tree rely on the ai doing a very specific thing

Like fr idk if I even like hoi4 that much anymore besides the French tree and a few others, every rework reduces the player's freedom and makes everything more convoluted and frustrating and chance-based, the german monarchist tree was better before gotterdamerung imo

Maybe its bc im a full time student and rarely have time to game and I want to make sure that when I'm gaming I'm not throwing away the little free time I have every week on games of pure chance bc that doesnt help the burnout, it just leaves me annoyed

[river nymph]

Chile's is fun but it also has the chance problem

If the allies dont tolerate your expansion, you end up fighting the world as a not very powerful minor

[safe trail]

We need whit peace option

white

[river nymph]

TRUE

The biggest problem with hoi4 rn imo is that it is an absolutely terrible geopolitical simulator

[safe trail]

yeah white peace option and a raiding mechanik

[river nymph]

Also I think forming the EU shouldnt just be locked to democratic countries, that's not only annoying and bad for gameplay but also ahistorical

Communists, fascists, and monarchs/other authoritarians who would fall under "non-aligned" in game were involved in the european project

[pallid sable]

?

[thick edge]

I fw Lego city skylines

[polar jasper]

Fascist UK:

[river nymph]

Yeah but thats only the UK

You should be able to form the EU as like, carlist Spain or communist France

[polar jasper]

Are those countries known for paneuropeanism?

Except maybe France

[sharp spade]

Pretty sure Mosley had an idea of a United Europe

[keen totem]

these portraits look sick

this sounds funny

[green scaffold]

you could just be annexing Austria long before they have the chance to do anything lol

you can do anchluss as your 5th focus. 3rd focus if you really want to

so

[river nymph]

Yeah but its still annoying

[fresh cedar]

So apart from capital locations and wanting further balkanization. What did you think?

[coral drift]

Already made several posts on the forum, i'm currently looking on other comments that came before mine, but i'll edit my comments to link them on each other when i passes over it

[fresh cedar]

But what did you think? Generally

@coral drift

[coral drift]

From expectation (not that high in the first place), still falls short, especially on the Exile branch

[fresh cedar]

Like super super short or just like meh

[coral drift]

You should see for yourself.

[coral drift]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-the-dutch-east-indies.1923917/post-31314859

[glossy inlet]

Damn

[fresh cedar]

What’s your username on there

[coral drift]

Kosaki MacTavish, i posted link to my initial comment, i listed my opinions there

[harsh hull]

So I count 5, maybe 6 new states added to the map for Indonesia so far

That southern island is ambiuous

[coral drift]

6
Sumba (the circle west of Timor) is historically part of Timor Residentie, but here they made it core of Ternate along with Sumbawa (the circle east of Bali)

After independence it was lumped with Flores (north of Sumba and Timor) and West Timor on East Lesser Sunda Islands Province in 1958

[harsh hull]

Did they confirm Sumba as a separate state in a dev comment somewhere though?

[coral drift]

No, though.
But lumping Sumba (part of East LSI) with Sumbawa (part of West LSI) would be silly

[harsh hull]

Alright, so it's still 5 or 6 then

[keen totem]

loading screen looks cool

[stable tusk]

Why do some of them have dots?

[harsh hull]

It's a dev build, they can mean many things

[keen totem]

i dont really know

[harsh hull]

You might notice that there's also seemingly-glitched green graphics in the middle of the screen

[keen totem]

i wanna assume its the "not played" being highlighted

[keen totem]

that might just be my fault, lousy screenshot 🙃

it's from the dev stream they did on australia

[coral drift]

Looks too old, but okay.

[remote wolf]

any1 balkan?

[polar jasper]

And once again, silence remains

[still pewter]

balkan gameplay: every other country hates you

then Italy and Germany also barge in

[fading walrus]

Balkan gameplay in eu4: everyone hates you
Then Austria and the ottomans also Barge in

[keen totem]

how old is he supposed to be around this time?

[opaque nebula]

YO

YO

@MODS

<@&846894118219022336>

fanks guys

keep up the good work

[coral drift]

Just reduce the wrinkles? He's only 48

[keen totem]

fair enough

the fit is hard doe

[coral drift]

Definitely, being such a high-ranking person

Conrad Helfrich, Henri Kuneman, Achmad Djajadiningrat, and Hubertus van Mook also wore that costume

[keen totem]

is there a specific name for it?

[coral drift]

I don't know?

[keen totem]

fair enough

if im correct, wasnt this guy the leader on game start?

at the beginning of 1936

[coral drift]

Yup

[coral drift]

The real photo is Van Mook speaking with Helfrich in 1941

Oh, also Henricus Johannes Spit, another member of Raad van Indie like Kuneman

[glossy inlet]

Only reason I know this guy was first is cause rt56

You thinking more about it….its kinda crazy how much of ww2 I learned through this game

[coral drift]

@keen totem building a railroad....

.... which since 2015 is still undergoing a feasibility study
We almost build phase 1 in 2021, but then covid happened, and then in 2022 the investor is involved in a war

[coral drift]

(Tanjung Selor is the capital of North Kalimantan, the northeasternmost city on this pic)

[keen totem]

alt history or something along those lines

😂

[coral drift]

IRL the Colonial Government wanted to focus on completing Trans-Sumatra railway, then focusing first on connecting Makassar and Manado (at Sulawesi)

But De Malaise (Great Depression) put a wrench on that plan

[keen totem]

how accurate is the economic situation of the east indies, as it was described in the DD?

[coral drift]

Cannot judge which did not displayed yet

[fresh cedar]

From what I saw it seemed like your major gripes were with the starting leader and states. But most other economic, military things etc were alright

[coral drift]

Nope, i have a major gripe on the economics too

And a minor one on the military since they revealed this branch first in the DLC's store page and i've already nitpicked it.

The recent iteration of the branch already included most of my nitpicks bar one

[fresh cedar]

Oh I must’ve missed that

[coral drift]

Also apparently someone on the Reddit thread version of the DD is having a beef with me lol

Guess that's what happened when you throw a historian into the game

[fresh cedar]

What are they beefing with exactly? I know sometimes your proposals may favor history over an enjoyable game. But if they can represent things historically and still be fun they should

[fresh cedar]

Where’s that located? Cant find it

[coral drift]

Exactly that. "He's too much focusing on history"

[coral drift]

Check your DM

[fresh cedar]

It still is a game. If they focused on it being 100% historical it would be miserable. But certain things you suggested such as prior dates, capitals, leaders etc are good

[keen totem]

there should be a good enough balance between historical accuracy and gameplay

[coral drift]

Also not feeling barebones, at least from the DDs. I wish for a more loaded DDs like Germany's or Italy's where you can see the leader and advisor lists and their traits

[keen totem]

i do agree, i would like to see more in the dev diaries, like decisions, more portraits, maybe in-game screenshots of the map and other stuff

hell even like the ToA DDs

[coral drift]

IKR!

[keen totem]

i live for portraits i wish to see them all.

i love cool looking portraits and i like seeing who would lead said country if it went down said route

[keen totem]

i like how in the ToA dev diaries for example, they'd show in-game screenshots of even little things like unlocking ideology specific generals

or how they would showcase stuff like map colors and names

for formables and other stuff along those lines

[glossy inlet]

They used to show the whole tree in its entirety first thing which I miss cause I like to keep em all in a file

[heavy bolt]

anyone else feel new dlc is going to be a bit dissapointing?

[rancid river]

No. What makes u say that

[coral drift]

Idk, depends if the devs can make a comeback

[rancid river]

Ncns was not great on launch but it’s pretty good now. Except for the price. I liked peace for our time tho

[misty geyser]

This is the new map 🙂

[coral drift]

Interesting choice to depict the New Guinean Highlands

[thorny shell]

Are the Unfederated states in Malaysia releaseables?

If so have they gotten unique leaders (hopefully with portraits) similarly to the Princely States in Raj?

Actually now that I’m thinking about it that’s probably not the case (in regards to the u.s being releaseables) because 2/5 were merged with another sultanate but hopefully Johor is there

[heavy bolt]

no real expansion options or formables, mostly just playing as support for britain/netherlands so far? with the possible declaration of independence and faction change

[coral drift]

I mean, as DEI you can core all of your starting states

[rancid river]

they are unique and aren't meant to be played like that

im excited

[coral drift]

Technically achieving "Een Vrij en Gelukkig Indonesie" can be count as one

[misty geyser]

Unfortunately not

[thorny shell]

No Johor skzio sultan?? 😭😔

RIP Ibrahim Al-Masyhur ibni Almarhum Sultan Abu Bakar Al-Khalil Ibrahim Shah you would have loved hoi4

[still pewter]

Hopefully the alt history paths we've yet to see will let us do that

[misty geyser]

<@&846894118219022336>

[still pewter]

Surely we'll be able to conquer the other SEA islands

Restore Majapahit Mahajapit Mapajahit Mahapajit Mama Empire

[thorny shell]

Hopefully there isn’t anything about Polynesian or Micronesia in the Indonesia tree

Philippines having focuses to Micronesia is a stretch but plausible at least (Polynesia tho is complete larp), Indonesia having anything relating to those islands is too far fetched since Polynesia and indo have no correlation with one another

[thorny shell]

Also was there any reason why Penang was made its own state but not Malacca?

Feels really odd

Dinding not being its own state is understandable considering it was transferred from the SS to Perak in 35’ but Malacca is like very much still part of the SS

Is it because of the ww2 occupation zones? Will Japan occupy penang initially after seizing Malaya and Siam will have some decision to ask for it?

That seems to be a logical explanation from the top of my head

[fresh cedar]

It’s nice to see Indonesia finally get touched! Looking forward to playing it

[cosmic stag]

we need a new combat battalion called sturmtruppe

[fresh cedar]

Is that like a Dutch Sturmtruppen?

[cosmic stag]

no german

[fresh cedar]

Oh I mean it’s a division support company rn. Might become regimental too

Would probably be too broken as line infantry

[cosmic stag]

alr

can i convert it to a combat battalion?

[fresh cedar]

Nah it’s just support currently

[cosmic stag]

alr

well i can add more combat battalions

[fresh cedar]

I think they talked about it being line/combat infantry and it was too cracked like the elephants

[cosmic stag]

alr

[fresh cedar]

Does anyone know where paradox HOI4 did a stream recently?

[hollow coral]

Isnt there another dd today

[crimson tartan]

uuuuuuuuuuh it's always youtube i guess

[fresh cedar]

Spoke too soon

Also they generally post em around like 12 EST 😂

It’s 9 am

[safe trail]

Alt history tree lock amazing cant wait for SIAM

[fresh cedar]

Here to enjoy the DD before Krasna tears it apart 😮‍💨

[safe trail]

you will love it amazing

[fresh cedar]

Oh I read it, looks interesting

[hollow coral]

i wonder what the monarchist larpers will think

[fresh cedar]

This seems like a good solution to the non-aligned path tbh

[cosmic falcon]

I guess Siam's Dev Diary will be next week.

[safe trail]

yeah is good i had hoped for some monarchisim but is a good path

[safe trail]

yeah i belive they confirmed this

need that for congo please

[fresh cedar]

They generally do Historical then Non-Aligned back to back

[cosmic falcon]

So tomorrow?

[safe trail]

next week i think

[hollow coral]

Now the real question is will siam get a monarchist path🧐

[fresh cedar]

No, they did Historical and Ahistorical Indonesia this week. So next week would be the 2 for Siam

[fresh cedar]

Has to

[safe trail]

hahahahah oneyou mean fashist monarchist democratic monarchist and monarchist

[hollow coral]

As in the monarch is a national spirit

They probably will honestly

[safe trail]

yeah rama is in exil at 1936

[hollow coral]

Belgium didnt get one since there isnt anything to build off

[safe trail]

Maybe first a negetiv trait then we will go full monarchist

[safe trail]

yeah no fan of this

[hollow coral]

Larp larp larp

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I think Lily did a good job

[safe trail]

Indonesia has no true fashist path wich is interesting

[hollow coral]

Very high quality

So can indonesia only go independent if japan invades them or am i missing a big detail

[cosmic stag]

is australia good?

[safe trail]

i hope not

[fresh cedar]

Might when occupied by Japan who knows

Like Indochina

[safe trail]

ths would be stupid i mean i play a historical so meh

[fresh cedar]

That’s probably on historical tho

Unless it’s just flat out Japanese territory

[safe trail]

an if you play a historical are you cannceld out of the paths?

Ahistorical

Paradox please respond

[hollow coral]

It seems like they are the same path

Just that they can be done in two ways

[fresh cedar]

Realistically the closest thing to fascist to Non-Aligned

[hollow coral]

I mean interesting that there isnt anything for fascist

Ig maybe fascism wasnt very relevant at that time?

[cosmic stag]

should i play as Australia

basically help allies

[hollow coral]

I dont care

[sour furnace]

Fascism in the Indies was proportionally more popular amongst Dutchmen in Indonesia than Mainland Holland

Not even native monarchist paths....

actually worse than the Congo, I can't even lie

[hollow coral]

Lets just see what expansion they can do

[keen totem]

dev diary today??

[sour furnace]

doesn't look like they could expand to anything beyond Malaysia and East Timor

Huge HUGE disappointment, I didn't expect a lot from the team and even I am disappointed

[hollow coral]

Whats your main concern? Just wondering

[sour furnace]

The whole tree for my country sucking

it did in fact sucked

I don't think they even read the Dev corners, what was the point?

[hollow coral]

Ok understandable but what are some dealbreakers?

[sour furnace]

Oh, sweet summer child...

[sour furnace]

No fascist tree as I mentioned

No monarchist tree

The trees that does exist being lackluster overall

look at the communist tree for God's sake

largest communist party in Asia besides China at the time and this is what we get...

This is blatantly unfair..Brazil and Argentina were barelyb ackground noises in WW2 and their communist tree is far more complex than what Indonesia got

ToA was considered one of the worst DLC in HOI4's history by the way, I can't imagine this DLC being above TOA

[keen totem]

yeah it seems a bit lacking

[sharp spade]

Don’t worry guys give it 5 open beta patches over the summer for it to be good

[fresh cedar]

How is it worse than the Congo? Hilarious take tbh. 70% of the Congos tree can’t be accessed if Belgium isn’t aligned with you

[misty geyser]

No, Indonesia can do an early revolution by comitting to it in 1936. But a late revolution after doing the loyalist path is possible (and historical) -- It gives some mechanical bonuses (such as having access to some of the joint military tree afterwards, and getting more starting states in the revolution)

[whole arch]

Glorious day!

(oh, and one last thing before I go, since I know this will inevitably be asked; no, Indonesia will never have to go all the way to the Netherlands to finish the revolution)

[hollow coral]

thank you for clarifying

[sour furnace]

Guess who actually has a fascist and monarchists trees

[fresh cedar]

You mean the trees that have zero industry because all joint focuses lock?

Every tree doesn’t need fascist or monarchist

I think it’s actually quite bland to give every single tree the exact same ideologies

[keen totem]

id argue that it should have a fascist path

[fresh cedar]

The Non-Aligned basically is

[sour furnace]

Except fascism would make for a way more interesting tree and monarchism is integral to the political situation at the time

[hollow coral]

the most i can say is that it probably should have something pertaining to the monarchs

[sour furnace]

Historical illiteracy 101 here

[hollow coral]

im sorry but not everyone understands indonesian 1930s history

[crimson tartan]

waaaaaait is this a reference to the already released dlc whaaaaat 🤯 🤯

[sour furnace]

It's extremely restarded to say "Oh, fascism and neutrality is basically the same hurr hurr"

[keen totem]

sukarno portrait!!

[fresh cedar]

No Moron, it’s literally Sukarno aligned with Japan

[hollow coral]

yeah suharto

[crimson tartan]

how do we tell him

[sharp spade]

It’s irritating that paradox said “oh we’ve learn from GoE” then they didn’t change at all

[keen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understand-i-got-it-i-know-gif-22069086

[sour furnace]

Yeah, so everyone who aligned with Japan is fascist right>

[keen totem]

whoops i was not paying attention to what im typing

[sour furnace]

including the idk, virulently leftist Wang Jingwei

[keen totem]

oopsies

[ionic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/alive-akward-asleep-ahh-as-if-gif-18720571

[keen totem]

😂😂

[hollow coral]

id imagine this was the general reactions from turkish during bftb

[fresh cedar]

It’s funny because you don’t even understand how it’s being implemented. Sukarno after Japanese occupation would be a natural Segway to fascism for Indonesia. This is that except he complies first. Similar to Ostland/Slovakia/Netherlands compliance pathways

Doesn’t have to be overtly fascist to operate within their factions/goals

Many Military Junta paths do this

[sour furnace]

What is bro even talking about atp

[fresh cedar]

Apparently above your ability to conceive 😂

https://tenor.com/view/justjoy-inconceivable-princess-bride-sicilian-wallace-shawn-gif-4485933663443556462

Live Super reaction

[keen totem]

meh, still feel that indonesia should get a fascist and maybe a monarchist path

[hollow coral]

no one is saying it shouldnt

[fresh cedar]

Would be nice if it did

[keen totem]

i feel like if they do plan on adding them, it might not be tied to the revolution

[fresh cedar]

<@&846894118219022336> Guy is just belligerent.

[keen totem]

but idrk how they're thinking of this

[fresh cedar]

Chimping out

[hollow coral]

yeah just wait for the open betas they will have to release

still very excited for siam

probably the easiest to consider for expansionist paths

since the axis get all the fun paths

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’ve been saying, super soft neighbors

[ashen beacon]

chat

is democratic tannutuva world conquest possible

[keen totem]

probably the one im most excited for

[fresh cedar]

Yes, but miserable

[sour furnace]

Had to call mummy because you pissed your pants?

[hollow coral]

anything is possible

[ashen beacon]

but how

[hollow coral]

good luck

[ashen beacon]

average typa world conquest by kristibbs

[hollow coral]

you are just insulting him because he didn;t agree with your point

[fresh cedar]

He’s mentally ill. Getting that worked up over a game because others disagree isn’t healthy. Just not going to engage

[ashen beacon]

what happened

[fresh cedar]

<@&846894118219022336>

[fresh cedar]

I argued Non-Aligned Japanese collaborative Sukarno path is a valid alternative to Fascism for Indonesia

[ashen beacon]

I---wha-

I'm just gonna trust u on this

(I don't know what the hell this path is)

[hollow coral]

this is why i think focus trees should just be scrapped in future hoi games

[hollow coral]

you could read the dev diary

[ashen beacon]

who reads in hoi4

[hollow coral]

hoi4 players who don't read

see what i did there?

[sour furnace]

Very well, excuse me, I got worked up over matters of national pride

It is not even about the game anymore as much as it is about our history

[ashen beacon]

i dont

[ashen beacon]

wai

are you saying

collaborating with teh Japense as non-aligned on indonesia is valid

[hollow coral]

i think you misinterpreted it