latest-updates

[green scaffold]

regional focus trees ain't helping that tho

[vale plover]

ok you called the horn of africa releasable focus trees bad ?
10% factory output ?

thats a good focus

[green scaffold]

yeah its bad

[vale plover]

nah thats good tho ?

15%

omg

[green scaffold]

the default is better

[vale plover]

or alternatively

ok

the manpower is worse

but the buffs ?

their good

so basically

as i read this the proplem is that you either get the good bonuses from 1 branch or are able to get ethopia cored

but eh thats still allright

[keen totem]

they did say the non aligned leader will be the governer general but thats it

[drowsy umbra]

Issue with Egypt is that you wouldn’t be able to build certain buildings in there due to it being a puppet

[glossy inlet]

I doubt you’d wanna be a puppet for too long

[coral drift]

Depends
Historical playthrough is there

[fresh cedar]

No monarchy, though this does seem like it’ll still have a non-aligned path. Either in the form of a British puppet or Military Junta?

[polar jasper]

Imagine Australia has a monarchy in exile path like the Raj

Well Raj is more of Churchill in exile

Why doesn't Canada have a monarchy in exile path

[fresh cedar]

Idk if I’ve seen that one.

[keen totem]

ive said this before

[fresh cedar]

What’s Churchill in exile look like? I’ve only seen it in mods

[polar jasper]

Raj can take over allies if Britain has surrender progress

[polar jasper]

You get the UK fleet and become a major

[keen totem]

canadian monarchist path should be something like if the UK goes communist you can accept the royal family and crown them

[polar jasper]

And you can have Churchill as leader

[fresh cedar]

Ik the one mod, Churchill dies in RAJ then a death cult takes over and you can nuke Asia

[polar jasper]

And you get a few focuses to reclaim the UK i believe

[polar jasper]

Red Flood is a fun mod

[fresh cedar]

I’ve never seen that

[keen totem]

not every country needs a monarchist path, but i really hope there's some form of non-aligned path

[polar jasper]

You can play as a sane Churchill

But no one does

[fresh cedar]

I agree though this seems monarchy adjacent

[keen totem]

booooring

[polar jasper]

Change my mind, US should not have a monarchist path

[keen totem]

the US should be the very last country that gets any form of monarchist path

[fresh cedar]

I’d still like an Australasian path. Was hoping the monarchist would be that. But non aligned earl will suffice

[polar jasper]

Exactly

[fresh cedar]

Surely it was never on track to that irl 😂😂😂

[keen totem]

if the US for some reason gets one it should be in the form of a meme path

[polar jasper]

Democratic: No Elections

[keen totem]

if you look at ToaG on steam there's some images on there already, one where australia has a different flag

[polar jasper]

Also rule 2

[keen totem]

i wanna assume its australasia

[fresh cedar]

Meh I didn’t mention a time. Could be 200 years ago

[fresh cedar]

Wondering how the earl will interact with the UK

[keen totem]

if anything a non-aligned path would be empowering either the Earl or military

assuming they even add one for australia

[fresh cedar]

It did mention the earl so

“Earl of Gowrie” right after mentioning no monarchist

[keen totem]

yes but this just confirms there's a portrait for it

[fresh cedar]

The is a Dev response

[keen totem]

not that there's a path going to be added

[fresh cedar]

I’d be surprised if there was no non-aligned path

[keen totem]

yeah, but i can also see why they wouldn't add one in this case

[fresh cedar]

Non-aligned isn’t inherently monarchy. Could be military/navy led, or even corporate

Heck could even just be a path aligned to the British monarchy

[keen totem]

aware

non-aligned is a very general term though

finland has elections but starts non-aligned

[fresh cedar]

Anarchism is non-aligned isn’t it

[keen totem]

non-aligned can even just be authoritarian dictatorship (eg. poland under sanation)

[keen totem]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Catch-all really

[keen totem]

there's a decent bit of sub-ideologies

[fresh cedar]

“Loyalist path” and “Dominion”

Wonder if this is democratic or can be non-aligned

[fresh cedar]

Almost wish Anarchism was its own

For occupation laws sake

[keen totem]

Despotic, Oligarchic, Moderatism, Centrism, Anarchism and Militarism

[keen totem]

feels pointless when like only a handful of countries can go anarchist

spain and ethiopia is all i can think of and ethiopia is anarcho communist

[fresh cedar]

Really wish they had special occupation laws or compliance gain though. Spain’s is a one trick pony who doesn’t even do so well anymore

This seems pretty monarchist adjacent to me

[keen totem]

id imagine this would be loyalist or your "military dictatorship" path, he had military experience after all

still seems interesting

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess loyalist too

[keen totem]

what exactly would australia's non aligned path entail

[fresh cedar]

I’m guessing similar to the Raj’s Dominion path

[keen totem]

probably

wonder when we'll get another dev diary

[fresh cedar]

Idk, though I think I saw something where you could take over a portion of the British fleet for the pacific war

So if the Dominion path was a also a naval/australasia path that would be sweet

[fresh cedar]

Probably next Tuesday tbh

[keen totem]

i kinda hope australasia is a thing able to be formed by all ideology groups

[keen totem]

yeah probably

[stable tusk]

Argentina has an anarchist "path" (like 4 focuses) that uses the commie ideology slot

[stable tusk]

This is referring to this, no?

Still looks Democratic

[lucid rain]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-ok-what-weird-realy-gif-2134337080950763703

No Fernleaves?🇳🇿

[stable tusk]

I find it interesting how both 3 time win Labor and mixed win UAP can annex New Zealand at the end of their tree

Idk the historical ramifications of this but it's a bit weird imo

[pastel flume]

Interesting associated dominion

[brittle venture]

should be puppet imo

[fresh cedar]

Maybe??

[fresh cedar]

Doesn’t look like the Earl though

[karmic atlas]

wait we get more puppet options?

[fresh cedar]

If it’s even a puppet at that point

[karmic atlas]

like the HRE states that can war(verb) among themselves

[keen totem]

that'll be interesting

[keen totem]

anarcho communist

[fresh cedar]

Would like if they had similar play-styles of coring land. But tbh only Spain’s feels worth

[keen totem]

only spain can really go truly "anarchist" from what i know

every other anarchist path is anarcho communist

not quite the same

[fresh cedar]

IMO they could effectively do the same thing.

If anything Anarcho communism makes more sense to function as Spain does since it’s about communal ownership which I interpret the Global Defense Council as being

[keen totem]

perhaps perhaps

from the steam page btw

[fresh cedar]

I’ve actually really liked Anarchist Spain since it came out. It’s just sad that its one trick of coring compliance areas has fallen off. Since occupation is harder now

[fresh cedar]

Interesting

Still seems to just be Australia since New Zealand exists

Though potentially this is the Earl/loyalist one

[keen totem]

my theory its either the non-aligned the path, or the formable can be formed and then new zealand integrated peacefully maybe?

[fresh cedar]

Ideally

Considering people said they prefer loyalist over historical I have high hopes

[keen totem]

wonder what australia's "own path" will look like assuming they're keeping that

[keen totem]

i dont really know what flag they'd use for australasia though, and this flag has been used for that in various mods

[hollow coral]

This includes the flag of australia during federation

When the Australian colonies decided to form a countty

This would be very weird flag to have for a loyalist path

[keen totem]

yeah maybe

[hollow coral]

a hypothetical loyalist flag would probably either be the governor general flag or red ensign

But it seems there probably wont be a non aligned oath

[keen totem]

who knows

we'll have to wait and see

[hollow coral]

The last dd only talks about fascist and communist next

[keen totem]

wouldnt surprise me too much if there isnt one

[hollow coral]

Im not too devasted st that

They can easily fit enough content for communist and fascist

[keen totem]

not every country needs a monarchist path or something along those lines

[hollow coral]

exactly

Australia definitely doesnt need one

It would just be a copy paste of fascist or historical but with the governor general as leader

But people like to pander to monarchies

[keen totem]

dont even see any plausible monarchist candidates for australia

besides the new democratic mechanics for australia look interesting

i got high hopes it'll be fun

i like democratic paths the most personally anyways, im quite satisfied

[hollow coral]

because monarchism here supports continued constitutional monarchy

although i hope when uk eventually gets a rework instead of the dominions breaking free they just get installed with governor general

[keen totem]

i think there should be a timed mission maybe or something along those lines

install a governer general before they declare independence

[hollow coral]

definitely agree

the only thing i hope for the communist path is being able to install and aborigine

[keen totem]

would be cool

[stable tusk]

It just looks like another democratic path
But idk what else they could mean by Associated Dominion

[keen totem]

maybe its a new thing they added?

[stable tusk]

Well yes
But the Associated Dominion can only mean this focus I imagine
I don't think there's gonna be a non-aligned path unfortunately

[keen totem]

it's not the end of the world

but id imagine a non aligned path would be putting the earl into power or a military junta

[fresh cedar]

This potentially says otherwise if they’re connected

[stable tusk]

They could just mean they're adding flavour to the non-aligned ideology instead of an actual path

[fresh cedar]

Can’t really say yet. It’s all speculation

[crimson tartan]

how loud will people cry about LAZY PDX SOLD ME $30 DLC WITHOUT MONARCHIST PATH GODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMIT

[fresh cedar]

NO PAPUA NEW GUINEA TREE LIKE ADVERTISED???

[sharp spade]

I was promised a Solomon island focus tree

[keen totem]

where the FRICK is my east timor focus tree????

[harsh hull]

Are you telling me the Singapore tree isn't actually happening

[whole arch]

Grrrrr they didn’t add my favorite path type AND no conquer the world as New Zealand paths?? Literally unplayable what am I paying $30 for

[fresh cedar]

I guarantee it will get criticism for something along these lines

[whole arch]

Oh for sure, alongside the “More Paradox slop” with zero basis whatsoever

[fresh cedar]

Basically

[whole arch]

Truly my favortie community on earth

[keen totem]

this is all the negative reviews say

either call it slop, criticize the price or will complain about said path not being added

[whole arch]

Yup, that's exactly what happens

[umbral wigeon]

my problem with parodox is there are some dlcs that shouldve been free updates but put behind a price tag

[whole arch]

Such as?

[sweet scarab]

I discovered I could do this.... how the hell would this perform in battle?

[brittle venture]

it would just get crit a lot

[dusky fern]

Cosmetic Packs

[hollow coral]

well no cosmetic packs are the views things that are justifiably paid

[smoky atlas]

every single DLCs

7000 hours in, every DLCs bought, and I still don't understand why paradox makes us pay for some countries' focus trees & mechanics, except that it's for money & greed

mods do it better anyways

I sympathize with steam achievement hunters who wish to have all paradox game achievements

[crimson tartan]

sounds like trolling

[smoky atlas]

Ok

[swift cloak]

AI can edit that tho

or prolly stolen pics

[smoky atlas]

ragebait

[swift cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[smoky atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705623420200812585/1349045396160249948/wobblycar-1.gif

[crimson tartan]

why paradox makes us pay and don't want to work on this game for 10 years for free 🤬

[cosmic stag]

they should have added ARs as a SP

[smoky atlas]

We already paid for the game, and the DLCs are much more expensive than the game itself

the fact that it's super expensive & more expensive than the game is very frustrating

that's why most professional players i met have cracked the latest dlcs, since the south american DLC

[sharp spade]

Indonesia might get a monarchist path, Siam obviously, all communist paths are just going to be “liberate colonized lands in the pacific” and Australia will have a democratic path to be a guardian of the pacific that asks to transfer colonial holdings to make them puppets and their fascist path will give them a mini “empire”

[crimson tartan]

so you wanna say they need to develop the game for free

for 10 years straight

[crimson tartan]

"We already paid for the game"
yeah, and you GOT a game

you don't have to pay for anything else

[smoky atlas]

they are a hundred-millions dollar public company.

they win more by making free updates

[fresh cedar]

My game became the 1984 world 😔

[crimson tartan]

perfect business plan walter

[crimson tartan]

what exactly

[smoky atlas]

exactly, that should've been the philosophy

but if you don't pay any of the DLCs,

the game is unplayable.

[crimson tartan]

lmao

[smoky atlas]

and barely fun too

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I hate free games that sell tons of DLC

[crimson tartan]

is there a screen that says "you have to buy all dlcs to play me" or something

[fresh cedar]

Feels cheap

[smoky atlas]

no, there's literally no content

[crimson tartan]

what

[smoky atlas]

except the old DLCs that were integrated

[crimson tartan]

that's bullshit

[cosmic stag]

who here thinks the same?

[smoky atlas]

go play a game without having all of the DLCs,

you'll see why

1. you'll get bored very quickly

2. if you're a mod player, you'll realize that none of the main mods support players with 0 dlc

[crimson tartan]

ofc it's like that you already played 7k hours

you'll get bored even with all dlcs

[smoky atlas]

I don't

[crimson tartan]

you ain't gonna get bored if you are a new player

[smoky atlas]

but they'll have the FOMO very quickly upon realizing what the DLCs can offer

very quickly they'll realize how empty the game is

[crimson tartan]

they will realize this only because there are already dozens of dlcs

[smoky atlas]

all of the DLCs represent around 70-80% of the game's entire content

[smoky atlas]

no, i was talking about how empty the game is without any DLCs scratch that, i've misread it

[crimson tartan]

and you wanna make pdx do this for free

[smoky atlas]

Yes

it's very easy to do it

and they win more from doing it

look at other games of which you only buy once that succeeds

[crimson tartan]

yeah that's so easy you;; go bankrupt in just a half of year after

[smoky atlas]

made by companies less wealthy than Paradox

[smoky atlas]

they're a hundred-millions dollar public company.

[crimson tartan]

That doesn't mean they can do everything free

and "hundred-millions dollar company" doesn't mean they actually have all this money

[smoky atlas]

Obviously, the game can be paid, but don't lock the majority of the game behind very expensive DLCs

[crimson tartan]

it's mostly the share price

[crimson tartan]

you don't have to buy it, and you will still have a lot of conent

[smoky atlas]

You will have too, the fear of missing out will be huge

especially if you're into steam achievements

of which more than half of achievements are locked behind having DLCs

That's how all paradox games worked

[crimson tartan]

that's like say "why do pizza sauces, different toppings etc cost money? I already paid for it!"

[smoky atlas]

that's not like that.

[crimson tartan]

that's not the problem of companies that you can't stop buying shit

is this some kind of compulsive buying disorder

[smoky atlas]

That's capitalism and consumerism

[smoky atlas]

their methods are predatory

they know what they're doing

[crimson tartan]

is this ragebaiting 😭

[whole arch]

Most definitely

[hollow coral]

well yes im not going to deny that their practices somewhat predatory

but again you are ultimately deciding to buy it

paradox isnt forcing your hand to do anything

they are ultimately a business and they have to make money

[thick edge]

what are we arguing about

[hollow coral]

i think something about all dlcs should be free

[thick edge]

whats the point of a dlc then

[hollow coral]

hoi4 should be like minecraft or smthn idk

[thick edge]

so 2 blocks and a new mob every now and then?

[hollow coral]

i think more in like how they update the game

not the content itself

im just interpreting what other think though

[lucid rain]

basically, no NCNS and PFOT bugs are addressed

[polar jasper]

Which bugs, just wondering

I'm pretty sure some were fixed, I would like to know which ones haven't

[lucid rain]

one particularly engregious from NCNS is that your warlord can't become the field marshal

[polar jasper]

They no longer are at game start?

That is a big oof

[lucid rain]

yeah

they aren't

[whole arch]

I'm pretty sure for both of those a lot of the bugs were fixed day one, right? The big thing is the naval stuff, and Paradox decided to hold off on fixing it so they could do a big overhaul of it in the OB

I could be dumb but I'm pretty sure?

[lucid rain]

Long Yun and Sheng Shikai can't become field marshals when you complete Personal Leadership

while other warlords can

this also affects Long Yun and Yan Xishan

they were able to become field marshals until the patch 1.17.3

I constantly brought it up in the forums but no response

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/personal-leadership-bug.1905478/

[stable mica]

On steam on the TAOG page you can take a look to a part of the Indonesia Focus Tree 😊

[keen totem]

dutch east indies new flag 👀

there's some other screenshots there too on the steam page

it's pretty cool

[green scaffold]

those are games with a constant flow of new players, or alternatively games without active development after the first release besides buf fixes and such

hoi4 doesn't have that many new players, if they relied solely on new players buying the game and keep spending money to develop it, then their expenses will be greater than their income

and no company in the world operates an unprofitable product

[whole arch]

Especially because they treat us reslly well not gonna lie
Tournaments, honestly really fun merch, giveaways, a lot of community engagement, industrious developers who fix things really quickly after a dlc launch…
They would lose a ton of money if they didn’t have paid dlc content

None of that stuff is cheap

[green scaffold]

i wouldn't say they treat us really well, this is probably the game with the worst QoL I've seen by far

[whole arch]

Sure stuff could be a bit cheaper, and sure they could at least integrate the mechanics. Cheaper dlc = more money because more people buy it imo, but for what they give us, its pretty damn good

[green scaffold]

it really seems sometimes like they optimize how to make the game as annoying as possible to play

[whole arch]

The game engine is a decade out of date at least, ofc its not gonna be super optimized

[green scaffold]

no i mean
stuff like every single ai nation calling you into war and offering non aggression pact, asking for military access, and keep spamming it if you say no, why is that a thing after 10 years. the general pop ups bloat for absolutely no reason whatsoever

and other various QoL issues

[wind isle]

One of my issues with paradoxs dlc structure is that even when they move on to a new game all the old dlc for an old game you still have to pay a fortune for or keep subscribing each month to get access. The very least they could do for old games is heavily discount the dlc right away or make the super important ones free, it took forever to get some ck2 dlcs cheap ans even now some are still way to expensive for something as old as they are (and i have my steam set to korean won, as ive moved to korea, so they're even cheaper just cause of that let alone if i was back in british pounds i imagine theyd cost more but i cant see the store)

[green scaffold]

really unclear why they exist

[crimson tartan]

open-source sandbox game with nothing, but blocks and with fanbase as large as the entire world population aged 0-50
vs
grand strategy game set in WW2 with fanbase consisting of 50k autistic almost fascist jerks

yes this will definetly work

🙂

[wind isle]

Like right now Holy Fury is 22,000₩ or about £11, for an almost 8 year old expansion to a 14 year old game thats not been worked on in 6 years because an entire sequel has come out it is stupid, if it was just 1 or 2 thats fine but these games have a dozen + so it adds up.

This is also with a discount because everything in korean won is cheaper i imagine the cost on a british pounds version of steam is closer to around £15 (everything seems to be 20-25+% cheaper in won). Its ridiculous imo.

[fading walrus]

you forgot the other 50k communist jerks

100,000 jerks 50k commies 50k facsies

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[wooden wyvern]

wwhen did so many pdx glazers get here

[fading walrus]

always have been here

its the offical discord server for hoi4

what do you expect

[wooden wyvern]

it wasnt like this like

last time i checked in

[fading walrus]

when was that?

[wooden wyvern]

like a while before pfot

[crimson tartan]

people can have different opinion WOWOWOW WHAT DO YOU MEAN WOOOW WHAT 😮 🤯

[wooden wyvern]

i didnt even directly mention you or anything you said...

[crimson tartan]

and i didn't say anything about me

or about you saying something about me

[autumn breach]

they have spent all their money on paradox games so they have to gaslight themselves into liking it lol

[wooden wyvern]

you straight up pinged me...

[wooden wyvern]

i wouldnt mind a little competition

grand strategy games are under such a huge monoply

[autumn breach]

yea it kinda sucks theres not really any choice for real time grand strategy other than paradox

[wooden wyvern]

modding will have to do ig

i at least hope pdx will focus more on the quality of their game rather than content that modders do better anyway

[autumn breach]

yeah the biggest reason hoi4 got so big was because of the modding

mod support is like the one thing paradox does very well

[wooden wyvern]

i hope the czech thing can lead to more outsourcing of country content

and pdx can just work on improving game mechanics and optimization

and more qol

cause thats what the game is really missing

[autumn breach]

maybe, idk how i feel about paradox being so reliant on third party modders for official stuff

[umbral wigeon]

They should be free dlc imho

[autumn breach]

like every dlc that used this has negative reviews

[umbral wigeon]

Thats my opinion at least

Because it aint like having a czech tree for free is going tk lose paradox millions

[wooden wyvern]

almost every dlc has negative reviews

i think nsb is genuinely one of the only ones that doesnt

[autumn breach]

no thats too far, yes they should be way less expensive and people who bought the czech dlc 7 years ago should get atleast something for having to buy content for the same country twice

[wooden wyvern]

im not saying they need to be reliant but they can learn a lot from modders and even if they only do half the countries they release like this that gives them way more time to do stuff that modders cant do, like with the core game itself

notably, a lot of the mechanics theyve been releasing just arent integrated enough to be good additions to the game

[autumn breach]

man the guns, waking the tiger, together for victory and death or dishonour had good reviews till they gave it away for free i think

[wooden wyvern]

things like spy agencies and faction mechanics and trade routes should be as essential to war as they were irl but you can literally ignore all of those and you basically dont lose anything

[autumn breach]

and Götterdämmerung has decent reviews too

[wooden wyvern]

oh yea

forgot about gdr

[autumn breach]

and correct me if im wrong but all those i just mentioned didnt outsource the work to modders

[wooden wyvern]

mtg was mixed im pretty sure

idk about the others i never bought them

[umbral wigeon]

No it isnt? Its a small dlc patch and the problem with getting new players hoi4 has is that the fact the game has a bare bones tutorial that hasnt been updated sense release and if they do look up a guide online its often recommended to have all dlc to follow along.
And thats usually when most new players realize the game theybb bought was not whatever price they bought it for. It was 500 plus my suggestion tonparadox make a bundle thats a bit cheaper that contains all dlcs that introduce new features like the spy network tank customization etc

[autumn breach]

im not sure but i think most of the negative reviews came once they gave man the guns for free?

[wooden wyvern]

i bought it like

when gdr just released

i think is when i started playing

jan of 2025

[autumn breach]

releasing everything for free would be nice but its just unrealistic lol

[autumn breach]

yea the steam store page isnt letting me see like a graph of the dates so idk how to check

[fresh cedar]

Wild time to start but lowkey the best

Was it hard to learn with so much content already out?

[wooden wyvern]

i remember following along like

step by step with that one bittersteel germany tutorial

and i was like

spending 5 minutes on every research trying to find where it was

i remember taking like a good 30 minutes to find out range improvements required the plane dlc

and i remember my second game was france and it was really scuffed cause i would just annex anything i could and it was the best map gore ive ever seen

[autumn breach]

back in the good old days u just research ur plane put 5 clicks into the engine and ur set

now u gotta do some extra fuel tanks bs

armour improvements

[wooden wyvern]

so overall it was probably hard but as a new player once you finally win a big war the feeling of being literally unstoppable was amazing

[autumn breach]

who even does cannons ngl

[fresh cedar]

Taking whatever you can but in the event of a war it’s useless bc enemies insta occupy 😭

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s a good high for sure

[wooden wyvern]

i miss it in that sense because once you actually play for a while the game feels really easy and nothing feels rewarding anymore

[fresh cedar]

I play on ahistorical and the chaos helps with that a little. End up just getting invaded by everyone at the worst times

[autumn breach]

oh yeah thats a big problem for hoi4

the only way i can feel like i did anything now is play multiplayer

[wooden wyvern]

as a new player this is definitely something i tried a few times

at some point when i got more into history i preferred the larping worldbuilding side of scenarios and i ended up preferring just playing things like kaiserreich

which was also really fun in its own way

[fresh cedar]

I almost wish there were scenario presets for ahistorical. Ik you can make your own but like actual organized ones

[wooden wyvern]

i still havent played multiplayer except with my friends lol

[autumn breach]

its hard to get into but once u find a community u like interacting with its fun

[fresh cedar]

I tried it a bit and it’s a lil sweaty. Just end using meta units, meta builds and boils down to finding breakthroughs

[wooden wyvern]

i played darkest hour i think for a couple hours and i saw there was a lot of dfferent scenarios there

i think a russo japanese one

and a ww1 one

interesting how hoi4 doesnt even really try with the 1939 one anymore

[fresh cedar]

Or even just like What if scenarios like Kaiserreich ig

[wooden wyvern]

how do people do that anyway

and how is the learning curve navigated

[fresh cedar]

Tbh you learn quick

[wooden wyvern]

like is there a guide or smth cause i feel the main issue is the meta updates so fast in this game

[fresh cedar]

The people you play with just keep you up to date

[wooden wyvern]

thatws what mods are good for fs

[autumn breach]

idk i started in this server like 5 years ago, i just joined other servers as time went on

[wooden wyvern]

a lot of them have just fallen off tho like tno

[wooden wyvern]

icic is modded mp popular or do people mostly stay with the historical scenario

[fresh cedar]

I liked Millenium Dawn the most within the games first 2-3 years

[autumn breach]

well if its a good community u get clowned on for ur noob build, they make fun of u but theyll genuinely try to help u do better builds

[fresh cedar]

Millenium Dawn is insufferable now

[autumn breach]

atleast thats my experiance

[wooden wyvern]

icic

[fresh cedar]

Yeah that’s what I was tryna say. Bad builds are so apparent it doesn’t last long

[wooden wyvern]

i consider myself decent in singleplayer but mp looks very hard to jump to

maybe not that good tho cause i couldnt beat sheeps mod

[autumn breach]

o yea that mod

[wooden wyvern]

that was really brutal

[wooden wyvern]

iuve seen some mp vids and livestreams

[autumn breach]

that mod was hard for me to beat but i can beat it reliably

[wooden wyvern]

i cant tell what theyre talking about half the time but theres def a lot of clowning

[autumn breach]

i think that mod might actually be good practice for mp

atleast vanilla mp

[wooden wyvern]

iirc it uses mp meta templates right

[fresh cedar]

People can seriously blunder in MP though and exploiting weaker players or bad plays does add a bit of diversity above sheep’s ig

[wooden wyvern]

so i feel it probably requires the type of knowledge thatd help in mp

[autumn breach]

yeah i think so, it also make the ai make decent economies too

[thick edge]

It is yeah

But the Czech dlc broke it so u have to downgrade for it to work properly

[wooden wyvern]

as germany i lost my entire army trying to sealion

[thick edge]

And the Dev is currently doing a KR version of it

[fresh cedar]

How so? Haven’t done MP since then

[wooden wyvern]

theyre doing it one country individually

[thick edge]

I haven’t played the mod since then so I’m not sure

[thick edge]

Indeed

[autumn breach]

czech dlc adds nothing to hist games anyway so nothing of value is lost

[thick edge]

The dev gave up on the main mod mostly anyways

[wooden wyvern]

tbh i havent noticed a difference so far

[thick edge]

Since paradox just screws with the mod every now and then

[fresh cedar]

Just Sabot which is cracked 😂

[wooden wyvern]

prob because a lot of the important ones havent released

[wooden wyvern]

is it discontinued

[thick edge]

A member of the discord is waiting for the code to come out so they can try fixing it

[thick edge]

I’m pretty sure

Sheep may come back eventually

[wooden wyvern]

i seen sheep around in kr discord

he tests his china ai constantly

[umbral wigeon]

I never said release everything just the tiny stuff like the recent czech dlc

At least in the future

Would be good for their pr too

Ie stuff so small

[autumn breach]

maybe if they made it free or heavily discounted for people who bought death or dishonour

or do the thing they did with poland and have it bundled with something else

[zenith sigil]

yeah that sounds like sheep

sheep should honestly make a small patch to update it to 1.18 (i.e adding mios)

[keen totem]

abuse your computer: the hoi4 mod

[hollow coral]

theres definitely more monarchist larpers

[keen totem]

they're definitely the like "majority" in this case

the amount of sheer glaze that monarchist paths get

[polar jasper]

Except Norway, the King decided to just chill while that one guy does all the crazy stuff

[hollow coral]

cant he declare himself king too

[polar jasper]

Don't know

I've played historical Norway, but not monarchist Norway

[keen totem]

i like the take they did on that, actually respecting the character of norway's king at the time

i do like monarchist paths solely because they're usually very fun, personal favorite paths though are democracy paths

[hollow coral]

thats because they always offer the most expansion

[polar jasper]

I like democratic paths because they are usually the "hold out against the aggressors" paths

There is just something fun about defeating an aggressor that may or may not be stronger than you initially

[keen totem]

that too

[keen totem]

i like the idea of either expanding for the sake of "democracy" or defending yourself and your sphere

a good democratic path is what i love

[polar jasper]

Spreading democracy fun. Defending democracy fun

Though I did the cursed Czech path today

[keen totem]

it's based and it's fun what more could one want

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-glow-glowing-angel-hallucinating-gif-489344050525737667

[polar jasper]

Nonaligned "Democratic?" Czechoslovakia

[keen totem]

which path do you go down to do this?

[hollow coral]

when is the next patch for czechoslovakia releasing

[polar jasper]

You give up sudeten

[keen totem]

oh that one

where hacha takes over iirc

[polar jasper]

I AM ONE OF 0% OF PEOPLE WHO GOT THE ACHIEVEMENT

[keen totem]

holy shit 😭

i really like the czech tree

i had a lot of fun with it

[polar jasper]

To be fair, not having to deal about the Slovak front is nice

But I did lose Prague for the first stage of the war...

[hollow coral]

tbf it could be < 1

[keen totem]

all at roughly the same time

[polar jasper]

I tried to do the restore democracy achievement

But I accidentally went down the wrong path

oops

[keen totem]

me too but i got bored halfway doing it 😭😭

[polar jasper]

I let austria die because I didn't feel confident in holding out against the germans and realized I prevented myself from getting the achievement

[keen totem]

yeah that's kinda annoying you can't occupy and core austria if you wanna do the achievement

but makes sense

i like the take the monarchist path sorta has though

when it comes to alliance building

propping up strong alliances (or getting the choice to carve up poland)

[polar jasper]

Little Entente has gotten some nice flavor

Though the path has a lot more focuses than before

[hollow coral]

did you make a big little entente for this?

ive been trying to do it

[polar jasper]

No

I did the focus that nukes my fort building

So I had more eco

Which I barely noticed

Why build forts when I'm giving up all my land

I focused on getting some industry and army buffs. I also made sure to do "Truth Prevails" before becoming non-aligned

Otherwise you are locked out of some nice army bonuses

[keen totem]

might try this whenever i get bored

cant wait for the next czechoslovakia patch

[polar jasper]

I did so much worse this game than I did as historical Czechs

[keen totem]

not the worst

[polar jasper]

That was my casualties of fighting the Germans, Soviets, and Japanese basically during my historical game

I took I think according to this 610k casualties during the entire German-Soviet war

[keen totem]

what happened in the baltics

what's with that color

[polar jasper]

Supervised States take the color of your country

[keen totem]

oh yeah that makes sense

[polar jasper]

Also mega-Poland

I let them have Belarus and Lithuania lol

LOL THE GERMANS STILL OWN MEMEL

[keen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[polar jasper]

I was wondering why I had manpower issues in my recent Czech game, then I realized I am flying half a country

[keen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-not-to-worry-were-still-flying-half-a-ship-prequelmeme-prequels-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-14302173

[coral drift]

Would be neat if the Indonesian communists/Parindrists (right-nationalists) win the revolution then switching to democratic if they let PNI (left-nationalists) to become strong enough

Just with advisors like Strasserite Germany strat is enough. In exchange you can't do anything too leftist (if goes with PKI) or rightist (if goes with Parindra).

[coral drift]

Tbh i would love to support the devs by buying their DLCs, but please cut the Indonesian base prices by a third so that i can afford it. I'm willing to preorder it for Rp 150k max, not 220k. NSB was 109k

[coral drift]

They need money, i need the contents

[coral drift]

Already piped in my thoughts in the release date announcement post

[coral drift]

I know, right....

[coral drift]

And me here, a follower of Cipto Mangunkusumo just chilling

[coral drift]

Same. The Norway dev was doing a mostly good job on it bar a few mistakes here and there

[coral drift]

A lot of monarchist groupings wanted it

And in the Indies the expansionist groups in the 1930s are a bit more varied fortunately

[coral drift]

Liberating countries and establishing "Sister Republics" in an regional bloc

Not everyone wanted to be expansionist, but almost every groupings wanted to pursue decolonization policies within SEA

[crimson tartan]

bro's talking to everyone

🙂

[coral drift]

Sorry, was busy earlier, including helping a history walking tour at Ki Hajar Dewantara's house (i think he would be a prominent advisor in TaoG)

[green scaffold]

were there groups that wanted to break the country into multiple smaller ones

[coral drift]

Federalists? They wanted greater autonomy for the rest of the princely states (like the four Javanese princely states), but united behind the federal government

[fresh cedar]

It looks really nice. I noticed Indonesia has a lot of courtyards and like cobblestone/brick patios everywhere. Do you know why?

Like every time I see an Indonesian they’re by one

[keen totem]

this looks so cool

[fresh cedar]

I didn’t know if they have like a booming brick industry

[coral drift]

It's just conblock (paving block)

[keen totem]

if they do i'm lowk expecting a focus in the tree to expand the brick industry or some like that

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m saying

[keen totem]

+3.0% construction speed or something stupid

chile has the nitrate focus 😂

[fresh cedar]

+10% infra construction speed

[coral drift]

For "upacara" (ceremony), a Japanese-instilled tradition for schoolchildrens and government workers. Initially used to instill pro-Japanese messages, but now used to generally instill "community values" or other important announcements, depending on the occasion

[fresh cedar]

Ah so meeting/gathering places rooted in tradition and culture

Neat

[coral drift]

What 🤣

Back then the "lapangan upacara" (ceremony fields) were either grass or just dirt

[keen totem]

dirt industry focus

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t realize it was such a modern thing

[coral drift]

Mhm, due to proliferation of cement industry

[fresh cedar]

Oh no 😭

I’m not sure if they are that similar

[keen totem]

been living in this country all my life and never heard of this until now somehow

[fresh cedar]

Bc WW2

[fresh cedar]

Was the precursor to hand on your heart

[coral drift]

Combination of that and this

The first fifteen minutes of each day is set aside for either a schoolwide assembly (on Monday mornings) or attendance and announcements in homeroom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_schools_in_Japan

[coral drift]

Whoops
Meant to show this for the "instilling nationalism" part. CC: @fresh cedar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

[coral drift]

Naah, add "Adopt Japanese School System" instead in the Indies Gunseikan focus tree, which would give you a fascist drift, small recruitable population buff, and small stability debuff

Our current school system of three layers of 6-3-3 years is adopted from the Japanese

[polar jasper]

I knew this was the case, but I also thought this was in part due to:

1. We didn't have a national anthem yet.
2. The national anthem we chose is hard to sing

I believe some countries have students sing their national anthem at the start of the school day

[coral drift]

Indonesia and India are definitely, probably Singapore too. The Japanese only doing it on schoolyear opening/closing ceremony

[polar jasper]

The idea of a bunch of off-key kids with no vocal range trying to sing our national anthem at the start of school would be a rough start of a school day

[coral drift]

At least people collectively sing Indonesia Raya still sounds awesome (thanks to Jozef Cleber's arrangement which sparsely involves high and low notes)
https://youtu.be/HwZzV__cZ0k?si=FgLMSnwkOBaAGP4W&t=364

Okay, got a video from the Japanese Occupation period
https://youtu.be/WWeB3ZwvAeg?si=lEDvjgL1zI9sbTpE&t=195

[thick edge]

My school has this thing where a single student sings it the speaker

And everyone else just has the pose

[coral drift]

Our schools usually rotated each class to sing, with the rest just posing

[coral drift]

And a coverage from Historia.id
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6d8_CWTX9Q

[floral robin]

hey

i have a question

[coral drift]

Wassup?

[thorn turret]

i need a good mod now

[glacial moth]

Equestria at War

[fading walrus]

Kaiserredux

EaW is still good too though

[harsh hull]

Beyond Skyrim - Bruma
I'll grant you, it's not technically a HOI4 mod, but it's still a good mod

[hollow coral]

just release the czech patch already guys

[hollow lion]

It has to be ready!

[fading walrus]

I have to try this out as a Skyrim player

[crimson tartan]

where is

where is mah devdiary

😟

[safe trail]

where is my dev diary

[crimson tartan]

mmmm yeah

wait no

i don't like focus trees

i want mechanics

🤬

[safe trail]

what is you problem i dident have it until know

[safe trail]

was is your problem

[kindred beacon]

Is there an Emu Empire path?

I need to take over with emus

[thick edge]

Australia claiming Vichy Africa wasn’t on my bingo card

[keen totem]

australian colonial empire

[coral drift]

Lol yeah
At max it should be Diego Garcia for the westernmost, Pitcairn for the easternmost

[keen totem]

that's definitely odd

[hollow coral]

so centre party is erased ig

[green scaffold]

so the promised pfot fixes are never going to happen

[hollow coral]

thank you paradox for not appealing to the monarchist larpers

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather South Africa get African claims tbh

Australia should really be limited to Southeast Asia

Unless it’s just saying they focus their war in Africa to kick the French out but don’t take anything

[stable mica]

Will be there a focus path for... Emus? 😂

[green scaffold]

so no extra cores outside of new Zealand on any of the paths

ew

[keen totem]

africa taking stuff from Vichy seems sorta stupid

maybe i could understand madagascar

but anything like central africa seems abysmal

did australia even want such colonies, like ever?

[keen totem]

all i want is an australasia formable

[keen totem]

unfortunate

[fresh cedar]

Where did you hear that?

Looks like they’ll be able to potentially core the South Pacific

[green scaffold]

yeah i mean outside of new Zealand and pacific islands

they're not really relevant

[keen totem]

looks like my theory on the flag (top left) being the flag for australasia was wrong

dang

[fresh cedar]

If that tree ends up here I imagine it also gets Indonesia

[keen totem]

but hey portraits!

[fresh cedar]

Which is very populated

[keen totem]

indonesia has a good starting population

[fresh cedar]

Australia, NZL and Indonesia would be enough cores for me

That would be like what, 80+ mil?

[keen totem]

around that

maybe malaya too if you can still request it (i believe the current tree allows you to)

[fresh cedar]

Think it would be 70 but yeah that’s still good

German Reich pop basically

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I agree

A female fascist leader is interesting

Only other one is Eva Braun right?

[distant whale]

The path in general is pretty interesting, remaining loyal to the British as a fascist subject

[clever sun]

can someone gimme fill is thunder at our gates just australia or is it like a oceania theatre thing

[keen totem]

trees for australia, indonesia (east indies) and siam, along with some other features

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I like that

[clever sun]

thank youuuu

[keen totem]

finally something different compared to "we will be best friends with germany forever because we're both fascist!!"

[fresh cedar]

Or align with Japan

Wonder how it interacts with the UK if they go fascist

Communist goals look pretty spicy

[keen totem]

that sounds even dumber

[fresh cedar]

That’s what the Phillipines does. Glad they didn’t do it for this

[keen totem]

australia had such a fear of japanese expansion, so their ally would be.. japan? solely because they're both fascist?

[hollow lion]

Japanese empress?

[keen totem]

communist side looks interesting

[fresh cedar]

Is that fascist or monarchist

[distant whale]

They have also said on the forums no hidden paths, so it's kinda interesting how tame their approach to Australia is compared to other focus trees

[hollow lion]

Yeh only monarchist actually

[peak flame]

I've started referring to that path as the Ultra-Imperialist path internally heh. They want a bigger empire, even if Britain doesn't 😛

[fresh cedar]

Mordred is Australia yours?

Like you did Belgium/congo if I remember correctly

[thick edge]

The guy on the bottom right looks a little funny

[peak flame]

Yeah, myself and Punchrullar have been working on Australia

[distant whale]

It's definitely very interesting approach from a gameplay perspective, really helps add some nice actual variety into things

[peak flame]

My roster so far is
Belgium / Congo
Philippines
Australia

[distant whale]

Personally I have found what you have shown so far a pretty interesting approach in general, the base democratic stuff looks neat and the alt history paths are pretty interesting

[thick edge]

Will USA on that list eventually 👀

[peak flame]

Glad to hear 🙂

[keen totem]

the democratic paths look very interesting to me, looks like it'll be fun

fascist paths take a different unique approach as well, compared to what i feel is the "usual" for fascist paths in this game

[peak flame]

Yeah I really like the ability to switch parties in the democratic path, gives you a whole lot more flexibility

[fresh cedar]

Vanilla elections have always felt so railroaded. Enjoy this take

[distant whale]

Considering how I have already seen a bunch of comments on wanting it ported to other countries, yeah the expanded election mechanics are a very nice addition

[keen totem]

I really hope these sorta election mechanics aren't going to remain an Australia-exclusive thing

[coral drift]

Because the Aussies aren't Asian.....

[fresh cedar]

And? Japan still wanted influence over Australia.

[coral drift]

Neat job, but please showcase more formables and maybe some unique decisions you can do, just like the previous DDs for old DLCs. Feels like it's a bit dry this time around

But still, neat job

[coral drift]

And the Aussies fascists wanted nothing to do with them

Same with NSB-Indie

[coral drift]

Amen

[fresh cedar]

Yeah so in real life it makes sense. But anything is possible in HOI4. Glad they steered away from it

And before you say that’s impossible

[coral drift]

As long as it does not clashed too much, or not a clear easter egg content like Rod Hull

[coral drift]

well, second category

[coral drift]

You know who Johan is right?

[fresh cedar]

Are his stats really that OP?

[peak flame]

Johan is indeed that OP

[fresh cedar]

Wait

So like, I get the reasoning behind this one. But wouldn’t it make more sense for them to have this for Southeast Asia instead of Africa?

Heck, would rather them get an army spirit/buff rather than African territories 😭

If they were given Burma/Malaysia I mean

[peak flame]

Insert "why not both" meme here

[fresh cedar]

Aw man it just seems weird to have Australians occupy/annex Africa. Granted they did fight in it.

[peak flame]

Also the Communist path is more going for the asiatic territories, we didn't want the two to just feel like different flavours of conquering the same stuff

[fresh cedar]

Ah that makes sense

[distant whale]

Fair to focus on gameplay priority

[fresh cedar]

Pls tell me there’s an Achievement for Australia capitulating Turkey/taking Istanbul

[coral drift]

Please showcase it

[fresh cedar]

Would it still be called Australia? Or be like a new formable? (Similar to Paraguay/Uruguay forming South America)

[coral drift]

(like, i know it's obvious, but some audience in the forums wanted more showcase relating to the contents)

[fresh cedar]

Like what?

[coral drift]

Expected endgame result of the path, unique decisions

[fresh cedar]

To what end? It can conquer Southeast Asia which is insane for a country that starts with like 7 mil population

And the fascist can conquer Africa 😂

Think if Australia does occupy Africa. Lowkey needs a new name.

[fresh cedar]

Just more leaders?

[coral drift]

More showcase in general

[fresh cedar]

Oh well they probably will show in this

[coral drift]

It's for what? Historical Australia?

[fresh cedar]

“Feature video”

[coral drift]

They have limited time in the stream

[coral drift]

Fair enough, but that's just redoing the DD

[coral drift]

Yeah, fortunately Mordred did posted more stuffs

[fresh cedar]

Nah in a few they had new information

[coral drift]

Already "loved" them

[distant whale]

Wait am I reading that right from the forums? +15 new focuses for NZ, because even if it's not a full rework, that would still be a good amount added to the focus tree

[fresh cedar]

Yay NZL got the Uruguay/paraguay treatment

Super excited about that

[coral drift]

Yuup

[coral drift]

Keep the hype high, lads!

[keen totem]

NO WAY

[keen totem]

honestly, this doesn't seem like a bad thing, it's just interesting

it'd make more sense to me to have australia take stuff on the east coast of africa rather then something more to the west from vichy

just cause of proximity

[keen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-surprise-welcome-palpatine-gif-11805998

[zenith cargo]

Just to set expectations, it's not similar to Par/Urg in scope

[fresh cedar]

While I’m normally about larger territorial ambitions I agree with this

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s like half of their tree

[keen totem]

it's not a full rework, but it's a nice touch up

[green scaffold]

15 new focuses is doubling their tree size

[fresh cedar]

I’m hyped

[keen totem]

this is sufficient enough for new zealand

given we weren't expecting to get any update to new zealand, this is nice

[lucid rain]

Holy shit! You're a dev

How interesting to see devs interracting with the community

would New Zealand get a little bit of content to flesh them out?

[fresh cedar]

Completely agree

[lucid rain]

nothing major

[fresh cedar]

Bro have you read chat or not

[distant whale]

@lucid rain have I got news for you

[lucid rain]

Oh nice!

I didn't see

[distant whale]

15 new focuses

[lucid rain]

any new generals ?

[distant whale]

Which is like doubling the NZ focus tree size

Which like sure, it's not a full rework

But considering the current state of the NZ focus tree

[keen totem]

interesting choice

[lucid rain]

would Burma, Malaya and French Indo-China get a few stuff for them

[keen totem]

but i like how it'll make australia's fascist path feel unique at least

[lucid rain]

would they get a unique general or two?

[fresh cedar]

Think they went a good route with it

[fresh cedar]

They didn’t say.

[lucid rain]

ah

[keen totem]

i agree

id much rather this than another "side with germany/japan"

[keen totem]

wonder if new zealand will get any new portraits at all

[polar jasper]

Anyone fear that Australia is going to have the GoE problem of too many major powers as neighbors to do sufficient expansion and the need to go to London and Paris to end the war?

If there is no white peace option, it is going to suck

[lucid rain]

I definitely look forward in playing as Commie Australia

[peak flame]

Yes I am, hi 🙂

[lucid rain]

Greetings

Good to see you in the chat

[peak flame]

I don’t always comment, but I read everything in this channel

[fresh cedar]

Feel like it’s in a better position to expand tbh.

[lucid rain]

👍

would the NCNS bugs be fixed ?

one damning one is the Personal Leadership one

where Sinkiang, Yunnan and Shanxi can't get their leaders become field marshals

[fresh cedar]

I just want anarchist Spain to get daily compliance through a unique occupation law or more daily political power 😔

[lucid rain]

same

as for the three other warlords that didn't get a unique branch, I'd like to see Shanxi, Shandong and Hebei Chahar getting a small one each

[fresh cedar]

From my experience, devs are normally only in here to garage feedback to the current upcoming DLC

So sadly probably won’t see these changes

[lucid rain]

yeah...

[fresh cedar]

But it doesn’t hurt getting it across

[lucid rain]

still find it weird that Turkey got three new focuses

[keen totem]

agree

[lucid rain]

despite being updated 4 years ago

[fresh cedar]

Did it?

[lucid rain]

yes

[keen totem]

i just hope there's a way to actually peacefully unite with new zealand

and i hope that australia has some form of formable

[fresh cedar]

I just am not a fan of turkey. Can’t really expand till the 1940’s

[lucid rain]

yeah

still, Yunnan and the Ma Cliques got a new branch with a patch

[fresh cedar]

Someone was saying just justify early. But you can’t bc world tension needs to be 50%+

Tried Turkey recently and it was insufferable as ever early game

[stable tusk]

15 new focuses seem nice

[lucid rain]

yeah

[lucid rain]

hopefully they aren't ones that are dissapointing

[fresh cedar]

For people that want to read 😂

[fresh cedar]

Anything is better than nothing tbh

[lucid rain]

yeah

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if Malaya will get similar treatment

[lucid rain]

hopefully

same with Indo-China and Burma

[fresh cedar]

Doubt they would

[lucid rain]

Yeah, still, they do border Siam

[fresh cedar]

Should I reserve Malaya questions for a future diary?

[lucid rain]

would French Indo-China and Burma be addressed when you cover Siam ?

[fresh cedar]

Oh cool! I’m excited for this tree

[lucid rain]

Same

[stable tusk]

This focus icon just looks off

Way too shiny

And a bit suspicious...

[thick edge]

Australasia 😄

[stable tusk]

Idk some recent icons just look weird to me

[fresh cedar]

Dog leader confirmed

[peak flame]

You can ask, but remember the content for this dlc is focused on Australia, Siam and Indonesia (DEI).

[fresh cedar]

Which ones? I haven’t noticed anything crazy. Biggest diversion for me was that Soviet icon dlc. But it grew on me

[lucid rain]

me and the group did ask about Malaya, Indo-China and Burma getting a bit of content

would Indochina get some content including a unique portrait for Ho Chi Minh ?

[peak flame]

No

[fresh cedar]

Probably spirits and advisors

[lucid rain]

yep\

something like that

[fresh cedar]

Noooo, poor Ho Chi Minh 🙁

[stable tusk]

There were a few
Like the Japanese settlers focus in NCNS, the military uniform in GOE, this dog one, this one in the Australia focus tree
Idk they just look weird like an uncanny valley

[fresh cedar]

Mordred, for expansion pass 3 can you propose a portrait pack for many countries? Heck maybe even as the next modder dlc 😏

[fresh cedar]

I don’t get that vibe? Maybe because they sorta high fidelity

Monument DLC/Potrait DLC/Unit Skin DLC 🙏

[peak flame]

Unfortunately the reality is that we could add content to every country on earth, and people would still ask ”but what about the moon?”. We have to draw the line somewhere

[lucid rain]

Lol

at least the ones that had notable or signifcant involvement in the war

[fresh cedar]

“Well actually the Germans should’ve had a moon base focus for GDR” 🤓☝️

[fresh cedar]

Fair 😂

[stable tusk]

Idk it might just be me

[lucid rain]

I don't argue for Indochina to get a lot of stuff

at the very least them being an independent faction with unique advisors, leaders or generals

[fresh cedar]

Feel like a Landmarks DLC of Unit Skins (such as camo for late game German/soviet units) would be kinda reasonable

[lucid rain]

there was even an Indochinese Communist party

[thick edge]

The next Cold War paradox game will have moon map confirmed??

[lucid rain]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochinese_Communist_Party

[fresh cedar]

Imagine STG44 Germans had camo 😭🙏

[fresh cedar]

Wait till you learn about the Vietnam war

[lucid rain]

Yeah

but I wasn't going there

too ahead in time

[fresh cedar]

ICBM launching nuclear Submarines

Commie Vietnam valid

[lucid rain]

I can see Indochina being like Lebanon or Syria

[peak flame]

Stuff about Australia I can try to answer as that’s what I worked on. I’ll leave Siam and Indonesia to their respective dev diaries

[lucid rain]

yeah

so, I guess went ahead of myself there

[fresh cedar]

That’s why I asked. Figured they’d have answers in coming weeks

[keen totem]

antarctica focus tree when????????????

[crimson tartan]

whaaaaaaaaaat

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT

[zenith cargo]

Releasing countries has a non linear increase in performance impact, so we tried to limit tag releases

[lucid rain]

unlike most of the people there, I don't argue anything radical or too much to add

[fresh cedar]

Makes sense

And personally idk what Malaya would really do differently than Siam or Indonesia

Like what unique gameplay would it add

[lucid rain]

Portrait of René Robin (Eugène Jean Louis René Robin), governor-general of French Indochina.

add this guy

[fresh cedar]

NZL is nice just an an accompaniment to Australia

[fresh cedar]

Then they’d have to release Indochina

Which I don’t think they have?

[thick edge]

@brittle venture

[lucid rain]

I still don't know why Syria and Lebanon are French colonies

[fresh cedar]

Would’ve rather Indochina exist though over Kuwait, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria

Same with Egypt

[lucid rain]

same

[fresh cedar]

Egypt + Indochina > Sloppy baby middleast countries

[coral drift]

I usually expected whatever stuffs they put in the DD, all of them would be in the feature video without new information there

But oh well, looks like I gotta spend more time analyzing the video

[fresh cedar]

I used to think that too but recently they’ve talked about more

[thick edge]

No one would want to play those countries anyways

[coral drift]

Man, this is exactly Indonesia's problem by 1945. It is beset by colonial powers around them

But we fortunately won

[thick edge]

Except the people from those countries

[fresh cedar]

Literally only exist for Iraq to annex

[lucid rain]

at least Indochina would somehow make sense to add

as a colony

[coral drift]

(although that's more of Dutch rightists keep fumbling the diplomatic game rather than Indonesians being more capable militarily)

[fresh cedar]

Sadly they won’t do that 🙁

[lucid rain]

yeah...

that can be subject to change when they go to Siam

[fresh cedar]

Mordred, do we know if there will be any Australian content relating to Aboriginals? Like a special forces thing?

[zenith cargo]

It won't change 🙂

[fresh cedar]

Maybe bc it’s closer to the area? Like they wouldn’t be talking about NZL but Mordred would

[coral drift]

There is a flag for communist Australasia, but no screenshot yet

[coral drift]

I reserve it when the Indies DDs are done

[fresh cedar]

I doubt Malaya will get zero content. I imagine a spirit or two

[lucid rain]

possibly

yeah

or a unique politician

[coral drift]

Please more screenshots in the DD
Thanks

[fresh cedar]

Wow Krasna, always ask for more

JK

[coral drift]

Somehow I forgot about this part

Oh well, very much neat. But still 220k Rupiahs compared to NSB's 109k preorder price is too much

[fresh cedar]

Mordred doesn’t price the game 😭

That’s like asking a supermarket clerk to change market prices

[coral drift]

Well, who thinks that i asked a content designer about that anyway

The server/community managers here can forward it

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-thunder-im-sorry-gif-15109296219286356611

[coral drift]

Anyway, props for Mordred and Punchrullar, they did what they can do considering the available materials

Like, I wanted to find more literatures about Australian history between 1920-1950 and they did not have much going on besides the war. The Indies still have it way more in the same time period

[distant whale]

It's also that Australia politically is just pretty darn stable overall, a combination of factors just means politics in general are constantly pushed to the centre, and you have to move the Overton window overall to shift politics

[peak flame]

Yes, we have the Torres Strait Battalion, and the Aboriginal Council in focuses

We also feature the War Carriers (reference to the people of Papua New Guinea during Kokoda trail) and the Coast Watchers too

[brittle venture]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lucid rain]

Kokoda mentioned!

anything about the Rats of Tobruk?

or have a shared focus tree with New Zealand on the ANZACS?

[coral drift]

Can we have a more proper borders between Territory of Papua and New Guinea Colony? Also to make it impassable bar a few spots like Kokoda?

[lucid rain]

off topic but would you give unique portraits for Bandera and Khruschev?

as both use generic portraits

[peak flame]

Yeah more is impassable now, we can show more of that in the stream on Friday

We wanted to be careful about direct geographical names (like Rats of Tobruk), because what if in your game the Australasians never fought in Tobruk? We always have to be aware of stuff like that

That said, you can train your troops to be more effective in jungle or desert warfare

[lucid rain]

good

what of the ANZACS?

[coral drift]

Thanks
Can't wait

To think again, I can achieve my aims for "more showcases" there too lol

[lucid rain]

would New Zealand and Australia get a shared focus tree on it

[peak flame]

Honestly streams are the best place to ask us to show stuff off, as we can go right into the game and just show it

No, while NZ is getting some content it’s not joint with Australia

That said, Australia has a sub branch about the legacy of the ANZACs, see the first dev diary for more on that

Man typing on phone is hard lol

[lucid rain]

I asked because of the name

[coral drift]

I know, i know
But tbh the DD itself can be beefed up with more photos in the first place. Compare the recent DDs with Germany's or Ethiopia's

[peak flame]

Also, I’m a streamer, streams are my preferred platform 😛

[brittle venture]

i would disagree, a thread of questions is usually best to follow for both the asker and the (in this case dev) person who answers

[stable tusk]

Unfortunately the streams are at 6 in the morning for me and I'm too sleepy to join in

[brittle venture]

streams tend to miss most comments, have time restrictions and cant go in depth

[stable tusk]

Well usually at least

[coral drift]

For example:

The early stages of this path focus on building your initial power base, laying the foundations for the state you intend to create. These focuses are used in parallel with a Trade Union Infiltration decision system, allowing you to target individual states and boost Communist support in exchange for Political Power and Stability.

A followup screenshot would be a nice cherry on top

All of this unfolds against the backdrop of former New Guard members, who have become increasingly alarmed, and increasingly aggressive, towards the rising Communist movement. Push them too far, and they will plunge the country into civil war.
And a screenshot of "if things go wrong"

[peak flame]

We have to balance length against depth, make it too long and people will just scroll past

Plus.. we actually want you to play the game and discover stuff for yourselves!

[coral drift]

Too bad I have that much time to read
(not much to watch, though lol)

[coral drift]

Point made
Point taken

Obviously not that much showcase until it becomes not necessary to play the game lmao

[peak flame]

I get it though, you want as much info as you can get as it’s not available yet.

[stable tusk]

Where's the secret Kangaroo-Emu path John Paradox?

[coral drift]

And because of genuine sense of "uhh, oh-kayyy (still doesn't get it)"

[green scaffold]

nuh uh

[barren tusk]

which is the philosophy of road to 56?

mod

[green scaffold]

more UK puppets= more good

because of world tension spiking

for the 1938 WC strat

[coral drift]

One last question for @peak flame

Considering my expectation since the "suggestion thread", would there be any industry tech extension? Especially for the deposits which only got tapped between 1943-1956?

[coral drift]

Uhh, my team added Egypt, Indochina, and Mandate of Palestine

Besides that, no further. No French West/Equatorial/North Africa, no Italian Libya, no Dutch Surinam, etc.

[barren tusk]

what

[peak flame]

Industry tech? No. I have added some new prospecting to Australia to get more resources though. Still balancing that actively atm

[barren tusk]

but like is the cold war then, happening in 1956?

[coral drift]

Thanks for the answer

Still, what a shame we got no 1944-1949 construction/excavation techs

[coral drift]

There is a few focus for Soviet and USA. For a proper decolonization paths we did not have much AFAIK

Like, only for UK

[fresh cedar]

I heard Australia was gonna get a ton of iron

Is it true

[peak flame]

Yes

Especially if you go export focus on the industry tree, the steel prospecting decision is infinitely repeatable

[fresh cedar]

Dang that’s insane

[keen totem]

infinite??

[fresh cedar]

Might actually be able to spam out nice fleets as Australia

[keen totem]

it'll be nice

[fresh cedar]

Wonder what Australia’s military trees will look like and their spirits

[pseudo wing]

it'll probably have military things in it

[keen totem]

me too

[pseudo wing]

[keen totem]

[fresh cedar]

It wasn’t covered yet right?

[keen totem]

just glad australia will get formables

[pseudo wing]

it was not covered yet, no

I just wanted to be cheeky

[keen totem]

i think it was briefly in the first dev diary but idk

maybe im wrong

[pseudo wing]

I'm pretty sure we mentioned a thing or two but we didn't cover it specifically

[keen totem]

yeah had a feeling

[stable tusk]

Australia will FINALLY be able to get more cores

[keen totem]

wait, there was some stuff

[peak flame]

It was, in the first DD

Yeah that 🙂

[drifting star]

Will there be a sultanate path for Indonesia ?

[fresh cedar]

I guess I moreso meant what it can become. I saw it starts very debuffed and there was mention of units focusing on smaller armies

But I wasn’t sure if it had general army/air/navy spirits like other nations

Especially since Australia would be relying on naval a lot. What would that look like

[dim linden]

Ayo?

[civic vine]

Australia currently produces like 20-30% of the world’s aluminum. When did they start doing that is that going to be in this dlc by any chance? I hope so they have very large bauxite deposits throughout their country

[peak flame]

Aluminium was significantly after the war, during it the deposits had not been discovered yet, unlike the iron