latest-updates

[brittle venture]

they should get 8

i think you can technically get 8 as new zealand rn

if youre in a civil war the other side gets generic tree which gives 2 slots

but its hard

[pastel flume]

There's a country that can get 10 (theoretically 12)

[worldly sand]

Where can I aquire the Kaiser plushie? I need it

[hollow coral]

they stopped production a long time ago

you could maybe buy them on ebay

[worldly sand]

Nooooooo

[hollow coral]

but theres cheap knockoffs

[worldly sand]

I just looked I see the same photos on different pages

[hollow coral]

or someplace else

[worldly sand]

Thank you

[thick edge]

U over a year late 😭

[coral drift]

Can't wait for Sukarno plushie

[coral drift]

Btw, @fresh cedar, i forgot where i saw it, but one of the main contention point in the HoI4 fanbase is whether to see it as a WW2 simulator or a 1930s simulator, right?

[fresh cedar]

More like WW2 Sandbox

[coral drift]

What's the difference again?

Between "WW2 sandbox" and "WW2 simulator" i mean

[fresh cedar]

Simulator implies to me that it’s trying to closely match something

Like if I’m playing a WW2 simulator, it will be extremely close to WW2. Whereas a sandbox has more room for freedom

Like historical is similar to a simulator, while ahistorical is sandbox

But considering how it’s trying to be fun before 100% historical; makes it more of a sandbox to me

[obtuse harness]

latest update servers not working anymore

[shut heart]

multplayer is not going

[coral drift]

Hmm, understandable

[lavish basalt]

no idk

[gaunt canopy]

okey

[cunning totem]

all of the servers are off ??

i can see just 8 servers whos online

[wind merlin]

any eta on their fixing?

[hollow lion]

@wind merlinPlease do not ping PDX staff members

[weary prairie]

Right but there is quite a lot of commuties that host hoi multiplayer soon ish and it would be nice to know if there is any eta at all

[hollow lion]

The devs are on vacation

[weary prairie]

Yeah but the devs aren't from paradox no? It's outsourced

It seems to be a server issue

[hollow lion]

I might be wrong but I thought Steam has the lobby servers

[wind merlin]

nope

[wind merlin]

why would you create a community if not to encourage interraction with them

but paradox am I right

[hollow lion]

Thats what the forums are for

[burnt trench]

can anyone can join others games?

[rare kite]

nope

[burnt trench]

thanks,

[weary prairie]

this seems to fix it

different server

[thick edge]

Mac 😭

[thick edge]

U having fun with it?

[weary prairie]

its euhhh

managable

at best

[gleaming otter]

does it work?

[finite siren]

for me it asks for an Paradox account now when I hit multiplayer if I did what bjorn suggested

but I got it from steam 🙁

[weary prairie]

you can still make and link an account

in the launcher

[weary prairie]

it forces it to run on the epic-steam crossplay server

[keen dome]

open game through launcher

and create account

that what I did

[pastel flume]

Eh I'd say the bigger problem is the anarchist Spain ai joining factions somehow

Or if the the usa is at war and other countries join it's faction, sometimes it just dissmantles its faction mid war

Also for some reason for the middle eastern factions you can't invite Kuwait since apparently they are not considered an islamic country

[rocky escarp]

I dunno how they manage to cock-up that

The whole focus of the DLC features is the faction system and they still didn't fix all the edge cases that slip past faction joining rules

[pastel flume]

I had a non hist game where china just smacked its head with the warlords but neither the commie faction of Chinese faction were made so China joined the axis and the warlords joined a facist allies

Also ai china can't even cap the warlords for some reason

They barely capped hebei charar

[rocky escarp]

ISP video with German Military Junta joining the Comintern is one of the more broken things I've seen in ahistorical

[pastel flume]

And then ethiopia joined Japanese faction and dragged Japan at war with fascist Germany and monarchist italy

[rocky escarp]

Why are random countries still joining Japan's faction

If there's one issue they should have ironed out it's that

[pastel flume]

If you've seen the hollows recent videos the megafactuons still form in non hist and also the Ai still death stacks troops, I thought the whole coal system is to force the Ai to demobolize

I just dont really play past 1941 that much

[rocky escarp]

The only thing coal is going to demobilise is your economy law

But that doesn't change the equipment stockpiles nations have, and I don't think the AI incompetent as it is will suffer equipment production penalties until after the war of attrition has gone into full sway

[pastel flume]

Also I guess this is somewhat related but a lot of the newer focuses that creates factions, dont set the rule to create factions.

[rocky escarp]

There was a long enough list even before NCNS of focuses that had that oversight

[pastel flume]

Yeah, and the new factions didn't really fix the Portuguese Ai leaving factions with that one focus even if their a puppet of another country

[rocky escarp]

They didn't make this mistake in the oldest DLCs (DoD), so not sure why they started making it

[hushed lion]

The turkestan formable should be able to core the northern parts of Afghanistan

[pastel flume]

I reported the fact that turkestan has been broken since day one of ncns and suggested at least core the turk state but it's been in review

Its missing the southern state for sinkiang of khotan

[fresh cedar]

Paradox has been on vacation

That’s why they e only been pointing out mods and there’s been like no bug fixes

Like even the Nanjing palace localization is still off

[pastel flume]

I reported the bug way before they were on vacation, around the same time someone else reported that turan was broken for similar reasons and that one was fixed in 1.17.2

[fresh cedar]

Yeah they get like a quarter off lol

[zinc jay]

demchugdongrub reportedly hated use of the word "mengjiang" to describe his state

mengkukuo (while being a name given by an american) which roughly translates to "Menggu-Guo" or "land/state of the mongolians" is more appropriate but not exactly historically accurate either

yup he got hacked

[fervent prairie]

Uhm paradox?

They should let you steal gold from capitulated enemies to deal with this

[hollow coral]

Thats for economy of conquest

[fervent prairie]

Well yeah. But this happens if you end the MEFO after you've reaches 100%

So I am stuck with 90% with no way to get rid of it

Except cheating

It should still give you the choice to gain economy of conquest when you got to war even if MEFO is gone

Otherwise you are just permanently debuffed with no way to fix it

Which is ludicrous as this is very easy to do

[brittle venture]

you cancelled MEFO while on MEFO path it does that

you couldve fixed it if it was pre-price controls

[clear tundra]

There’s a focus that gives decisions to reduce it.

[coral drift]

From what book?

[zinc jay]

Sechen Jagchid’s “the last mongol prince: the life and times of demchugdongrub”

primary source: he was a very good friend of prince de

because Prince De’s actual memoirs are filtered self criticizing nonsense by the CCP

which have not largely yet been translated into english

[fervent prairie]

Which is dumb. There should be a way to deal with the economy after that

Otherwise Paradox is just unnecessarily punishing the player.

[brittle venture]

yeah its by getting autarky

dont cancel if youre on MEFO

[fresh cedar]

If you’re going to do so poorly at autarky you might as well just go the economic recovery path

[polar jasper]

Why would you ever not do economy of conquest

Or ever cancel mefo

[frosty oak]

Either do the gamble with economy of conquest or start the game safe with recovering economy, canceling it half way is the worst of both worlds fr

[main basalt]

east coast time

[polar jasper]

Sounds like a Vic 3 game

Also what is there to discuss in the country? There is no politics on hoi4 mostly.

Maybe someone on air force, navy, army, and industry/research/focuses at most

You are also trying to do diplomacy in a war game with minimal diplomacy mechanics

[main basalt]

you must make the diplomacy

and the voting and the fun, make it intresting make if fun and make it hot with debate and politics

roleplay yk its good, and fun for this game

[stable tusk]

Ah so it's a RP game basically

[main basalt]

yea but we are a community, i have a discord server i just need people, im in to listen,

if anyone wants to JOIN then text me

we are looking to get 5-10-20 people

[steep nest]

Has anyone else been having any issues with carrier aircraft not doing independent missions while the carrier is on a naval mission?

I would assign a carrier on patrol in a sea zone with carrier naval bombers on naval patrol, but once the carrier goes off to patrol the next sea zone, the naval aircraft goes back to the carrier mission instead of staying on their assigned independent air mission

[hard smelt]

isnt that normal? i mean they cant be in a battle if they are out patrolling ? idk i never use carriers

[steep nest]

So far, it isn't an issue with convoy raid

[steep nest]

It is part of a new feature with NCNS, mentioned in NCNS Dev Diary No.6: Aerohydrodynamics

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-corner-aerohydrodynamics.1852938/

[hard smelt]

ohhh u found a bug then

[steep nest]

Maybe. I've been testing around with carriers, submarine carriers, and missile launcher submarines for a while

Like the submarines are actually moving while doing their assigned convoy raiding mission and firing rockets at the same time @hard smelt

It is weird though that you can't create new air theatres with rockets assigned to rocket sites or on missile launching submarines, so you have to make a new one with a plane before you assign your rocketry

[runic bronze]

ngl imo i wish you could go eoc on spartacus and have puppets

like spanish stalinists can give ussr their gold

why can't my subjects do the same for me 😭

[pseudo wing]

Not the place for this, keep it in #1239926537512292362

[polar jasper]

I know when NCNS first came out, my carrier air wings were able to be used in mission

Specifically patrol

Yooo Chak!

I swear I never see you in the server anymore

[pseudo wing]

I have been quite busy with the cat I adopted on NYE, and the holidays were busy for me so I haven't been as publicly present, apologies

I mostly kept the to shadows being evil n whatnot (w*rking)

[polar jasper]

And not once have you posted the cat on #pets ?

[pseudo wing]

I don't tend to post too much about my life here, is not the most interesting thing

Though I have posted 1 or 2 in general chat when prompted a day or two ago

[brittle venture]

hows the cat?

how are you as well?

[turbid stream]

What type of cat?

[pseudo wing]

she currently has a cough but its a remnant from when she had an upper respiratory infection, shes doing better overall now and is eating

[pseudo wing]

domestic longhair, tortie colour

[fresh cedar]

When will your cat become a secret leader in the game?

Maybe if Quebec ever gets content, should be a spy

[pseudo wing]

wuld be funny but I doubt that'd happen for me aha

[fresh cedar]

Tragic

[smoky atlas]

when is AI navy gonna be fixed? i created a good naval fleet as russia only for them to only intercept... some destroyers & light cruisers from the british navy.

[blazing flint]

Honestly skill issue

[wraith prawn]

bold of you to assume paradox will fix the AI
This has been an issue since prior to No step Back but became gradually worse since then

[smoky atlas]

well, i didn't assume it at first, but i guess they deliver this time

[kind folio]

Chat when are the map shaders getting fixed 😔 🌧️

[harsh hull]

Hopefully when they say that TAOG and PFOT are releasing in Q2, they mean that they're releasing the same day

[hushed lion]

I hope they fix them

[mental onyx]

from reading the post, are we getting the next patch in February and not this month?

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-dance-pretty-girls-gif-8089757801660073284

Deciding whether to play Czechoslovakia first or thailand first

hope indonesia has been done well

[cold gale]

Finally the land down under is getting overhauled

[brittle venture]

first thing ill do is see if they updated guam

[tall dragon]

We're getting warthunder collab !1!!1!

[drifting star]

Wonder what the teaser is for

At the bottom

[worthy ore]

2 worst games collab

its joever

I have 700 hours in both

🥀

[drifting star]

Black square

Thunder at our gates dev diaries next week let’s go

[brittle venture]

@pseudo wing localization error

[whole arch]

Twins 🥀

[hollow lion]

Should probably report on forums instead of pinging Chak

[brittle venture]

he told me once i can ping him about localization errors but not about like actual bugs

[hollow lion]

Ah I see 🫣

[pseudo wing]

I said you could ping me during the business week not the weekend

[tropic crescent]

i cant even fit it all on my monitor

[haughty tapir]

wow lol, is that Melenium Dawn mod?

[tropic crescent]

yeah

more geopolitical randomness is more fun than invading everyone

[brittle venture]

sorwy 🥺

[exotic kelp]

my friend siad hoi4 is getting a multiplayer fix is this true?

[faint parrot]

What kind of fix

[whole arch]

How long is this time-wise 😭

[tropic crescent]

depends if i can force a certain man out of office before 2005

[whole arch]

Dear lord lmao, good luck

[tropic crescent]

moment i do that i can go pro western

and get into nato

and invade china

logical course of events

[tropic crescent]

i genuinly have no idea how to raise the lib dems popularity in this mod

[whole arch]

I wouldn't know, my PC can't handle TFR, so it most definitely won't be able to handle that

[tropic crescent]

my pc can hardly handel this mod

occasionally if i try to move portions of the navy around it just crashes

~~ then again russia is not known for its navy ~~

[exotic kelp]

dont u think the multiplayer sucks? prob like stability fix

[faint parrot]

isnt that a problem with the whole paradox games

[exotic kelp]

yeah so its good it getting fixed

[thick edge]

Turn on cheats 🔥

[tropic crescent]

i may be a poor player but im not that bad

[thick edge]

It’s MD who cares

[tropic crescent]

what cheat do i use

alr i found it and i used it and i can finally play the game

[brazen warren]

Turkish traning in ww2 pp

Ilikeit

[glacial moth]

If you wanna play Modern Day russia why pick Millennium Dawn?

Like with TFR out and cool vs that bloated mess MD is kinda niche

[blazing flint]

I fail to see why people want to play modern day in hoi4 anyway

[gloomy salmon]

It's good for long runs

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[median bronze]

bro wants to just enjoy his weekend without worrying about where to ping his tank divisions on the front for just 1 day 🥀 🥀

[fresh cedar]

Let people have their weekends sheesh

Ngl though I totally ignore work stuff on the weekend 😂

Wonder when the fixes are dropping

Really interested in the Naval AI changes

[brittle venture]

noo i didnt mean it that way 😭

i wasnt thinking about which day it was

[fresh cedar]

Chak is probably just upset he’s buried in snow rn

[pseudo wing]

It has been snowing for 8 days straight lol, I've shoveled a few times its no biggie

[fresh cedar]

Sounds terrible

[wooden wyvern]

i mean at least its snow

in my country it just rains

feels like i havent seen snow for years

[gloomy acorn]

In Texas it's been weirdly dry this year and late 2025.

Or in southeast Texas I should say

[fresh cedar]

Snow is pretty bad, and rain is preferable. Snow literally makes 9/10 worse and harder to do

[wooden wyvern]

if its really heavy snow ig

but usually snow is drier and i hate getting wet so id take it unless it puts all the roads 6 feet under or smth

[fresh cedar]

Can cause you to crash, use more fuel, have longer commutes, spend more on energy. The list goes on 😂

[wooden wyvern]

fair fair

i think my issue with rain might be how dark it gets

sometimes it rains when its sunny and i find that really nice

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-slips-while-shovelling-snow-viralhog-woman-trips-while-shovelling-snow-woman-fall-while-shovelling-snow-fall-in-the-snow-gif-24834058

[rocky escarp]

First dev corner for NCNS wasn't as short as this...

[oak imp]

it's an expansion for tannu turva(trust)

[jovial flower]

First dev corner

Looks inside

Nothing

[rocky escarp]

I guess maybe a few weeks until any dev corners with mechanics, can't imagine next one won't be country flavour after asking about Siam today

[pseudo wing]

Dev Corners were originally supposed to be concise and straight to the point, but over time we lost the scope and turned them essentially into a Developer Diary's length which wasn't what we wanted, so we're going back to short and direct Dev Corners to get feedback immediately

[rocky escarp]

Suppose that's fair

[fresh cedar]

Did you read their change in expectations for dev diary v dev corner?

[solid gyro]

We all need update for:
Luxembourg
Bolivia
Tannu Tuva
Mongolia
Haiti
Oman
Albania
Liberia

[rocky escarp]

There isn't anything 'specific to the DC' to feedback on

Hasn't discouraged anyone from speaking their mind on what they want for Siam, but PDX not saying anything about what they can do

[fresh cedar]

Feel like Liberia would only be fun if colonial powers didn’t exist. Unless it also boosts resistance

[solid gyro]

You can also set decolonization in settings

[fresh cedar]

I only play on Ironman 😔

[solid gyro]

I have mental health to not play iron man

I hate bots peace conferences

Italy loosing rome 5 times but they have points to take england

I think there should be option to turn off regno del shit

[fresh cedar]

Italian AI is so bad lol

[fresh cedar]

I get why they did it but it does get very annoying

[solid gyro]

because you want to conquer italy and your puppet takes you into war with all world

[fresh cedar]

Hate how the one danish song fires off when Denmark rebels too 😂

[fresh cedar]

Yeah exactly

[solid gyro]

I always deny dunish capitulation and annexs them

[fresh cedar]

Same

[solid gyro]

I think new hoi5 needs more timelines

not only ww2

I would like also play in ww1 and cold war

or modern times

[fresh cedar]

They kinda added post war stuff but it could be more polished

[solid gyro]

hoi4 after 1945 is often unplayable

total chaos

[fresh cedar]

Like Yalta, Special Projects and transition to NATO are a good start

[solid gyro]

and whole world alliances

[cosmic falcon]

I'd like to see French Indochina be a starting nation similar to how they added British Burma.

[solid gyro]

yeah if you play as major powers its nice

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I think most should leave Allies and become neutral after WW2

[solid gyro]

I played a lot of times as USSR and conquered Allies

[fresh cedar]

Like all of South America being in allies is brutal

[solid gyro]

Chile as major power 💀

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[solid gyro]

nice that bot blocks my messages

but how country with 25 factories, 7 divisions and 69k manpower becomes major?

[green scaffold]

let Liberia core the US

[solid gyro]

I think paradox should do new nations league mechanic

[solid gyro]

yeah make it as achievement

[fresh cedar]

UNITED STATES OF AFRICA 🥵

[pseudo mulch]

Everyone on Paradox Forums is saying that they'd like Siam to be a regional power rather than having the goal of becoming a super large Empire. For me, their goal should be to liberate all historical Thai lands. It gives the player enough wars to wage (please PDX add scripted peace deals for these kinds of wars, I don't wanna see GoE II)

[solid gyro]

in new dlc for 30 dollars

[solid gyro]

ah yes war with allies, china and japaneese at once

that is what we all love doing achievements

I think there MUST be mechanic to end wars without capitulating all majors

like you take some lands what you want and you can ask for peace

[pseudo mulch]

Again, the dealbreaker here is if they add scripted peace deals that allow you to take stuff w/o capitulating the majors

[solid gyro]

universal mechanic for everyone

[pseudo mulch]

My thoughts exactly

[pseudo mulch]

PDX forgot about the conditional surrender button years ago

[green scaffold]

not necessarily scripted peace deals it could be more flexible than that just not all or nothing

[solid gyro]

because it is annoying to research all navy and fight with japaneese from 1939 to 1954 because you need to capitulate them to do achievement

and after you have to also fight british because you need one island to achieve your goals

[keen totem]

could be like the mughal uprising path for india

you could get a maximum of provinces before you whitepeace but if you whitepeace early you'll just gain what you hold (assuming its within the list of provinces you can take)

[median bronze]

how to make siam good

add ladyboys

[coral drift]

Lol, that should've been only enabled if the player plays as Denmark

[cerulean locust]

W update

[fresh cedar]

SAME WITH BELLA CIAO

It legit always hijacks my music 😭

I had to disable the speech packs too bc omg

[hollow lion]

nice pfp

LoN is lame in basically all mods that add it I think

I guess because economy/weapon production arent too in-depth its harder to make sanctions in HOI too punishing

[whole arch]

Siam will be interesting
Hopefully Paradox doesn't price it insanely though, I'd like the dlcs to be accessible to a brokie like me 😭
Honestly though, I get why people are hating on PDX for not working on the other stuff, but honestly if all you do when you go into the corner is to complain, nothing's gonna actually improve...
It would be really cool if Paradox gave a lot of love to the conflict between the Royalists and the Fascists though, I would like a good PDX internal power struggle
-# I believe that's the way it was at least, I don't know Siam history super well, correct me if I'm wrong...

[neon marsh]

They should make it 5000 dollars

[keen totem]

lot of interesting stuff around siam that's been neglected since the game was released

franco-thai war, the japanese invasion (even if it was brief), and the free thai movement are just some notable examples

[whole arch]

For sure, more details on historical things like that that happened outside of the focus trees would be sweet to have in hoi4

[keen totem]

siam has a lot of potential as well

as many have already said in the dev corner, siam should also play in more with diplomacy

maybe gaining concessions from france and britain or japan

[whole arch]

Hopefully the crew at Paradox takes advantage of that, would make the game more interesting outside of just the next war or whatever

[keen totem]

they should really make use of more white peaces as well

no reason you should have to capitulate the UK just to take burma

[whole arch]

100%, better peace mechanics in general would be nice but even just this small thing would make the game so much more playable

[keen totem]

i get that the game is a "total war" game and such, but white peace mechanics should really be used

maybe not a total rework in this dlc but at least utilize it for a country like siam

[whole arch]

Absolutely

Expanded diplomacy and politics and such would make the game so much better in general. I get it's not the point, but one of my biggest turn-offs for it is that all I can look forward to is a mid focus and the next war to conquer a country with no other alternatives.

[keen totem]

definetly agree

[wooden wyvern]

I do think a shift in focus from a war game to a 20th century game would greatly increase the potential there is

[chrome locust]

Is that not just vic3?

[wooden wyvern]

But i also think paradox wouldnt be able to capitalize on what the game sells now let alone what it would do in such a shift in focus

[wooden wyvern]

Vic 3 ends at like right where hoi begins iirc

[chrome locust]

Or did you mean more cold war?

[wooden wyvern]

I mean

Personally i think some overlap would be fine

But id rather they focus post 1945 if its one or the other

Cause mods already do ww1 pretty well

[chrome locust]

Well what time period are you thinking of and what would the core mechanics be?

[wooden wyvern]

Altho i do think a 1933 scenario would greatly help the althist plausibility

[wooden wyvern]

I meant more of a shift from a game abt fighting in ww2 to a game abt ww2

[chrome locust]

Hoi4's core mechanics are simplified economy, hypersimplified diplomacy, and detailed war logistics and combat, so that kinda really wants to be focused on war

[wooden wyvern]

They should look more into the economics, politics, and diplomacy that went with the war

[chrome locust]

I'd probably agree with that then

[wooden wyvern]

And the situations and consequences it created around the world

Rather then just the fighting

Thats what i mean

Currently its just a war game
I think it would open up a great many doors if it was a ww2 game instead

[chrome locust]

Like a lot of the annoyances I'm having are that they tried to expand things to have a bunch of possible paths other than the historical ww2, but didn't add the (mostly diplomacy) mechanics necessary to make that make sense

[wooden wyvern]

Yea thats what i was hoping to point out

The althist in particular suffers due to the games scope

And yhe game shifyed heavily to focus on althist ever since bba

Maybe even earlier

[chrome locust]

I think I'm agreeing with you then; like I think the game can still do perfectly well with 1936 to {undefined endpoint but content gets thin after 1945-1950}, but needs enough mechanics to make althist make sense; I think the necessary mechanics are basically more ability to influence diplomacy, and turning internal politics into more of a coherent system than a bunch of country-specific minigames

[chrome locust]

Earlier I think, and I like it, or at least I did until I ran into problems with different country's althist paths conflicting with each other

[polar jasper]

Remember, hoi4 is a war game

Some people don't want vic 3 in their war game

[chrome locust]

The problem is currently we have incoherence between the mechanics and the content

[polar jasper]

Could there be a few more things, yes

[chrome locust]

I'm pretty sure there's some middle ground that lets different countries' althist paths exist in a coherent system with each other while still being very far from vic3

(I agree I don't want vic3 in my wargame just like I don't want detailed war in my vic3 game)

[polar jasper]

So what do you want from an alt hist path that cant be done now

Just wondering

[chrome locust]

Two things off the top of my head, interaction and meaning

[polar jasper]

It would be nice if there were more ways to be able to do limited wars

That's probably the main thing holding back alt hist

Since you want a piece of land in Asia, but off you go to London to win the war

[chrome locust]

Interaction, like what if Ethiopia asks for Soviet aid but Russia goes white? Or France goes collaborator fascist but Germany opposed Hitler? Do they softlock? The systems should have enough depth that that isn't a concern, somehow

[chrome locust]

Strong agree

Meaning, althist paths should feel like more than "play a minigame to get a different color and fight different people", although I'm not sure exactly what

[polar jasper]

I know the game hard codes France and Britain to do one alt hist path if Germany flips

Some alt hist paths get locked as well to prevent soft locks

[chrome locust]

So those are the two things I want

[polar jasper]

Though theoretically I know some things can be changed like collab france could easily work with non aligned germany

Just change a few focus names

Like how Molotov-Ribbentrop is renamed to the Polish Partition Pact

If Whites win

[chrome locust]

Yes, and that system itself is broken, I'm pretty sure it's why France always fails to go fascist, Poland can't do its sanation path, and Germany either does or used to fail to go democratic

[polar jasper]

France fails to go fascist because its first focus is form the popular front

Which locks it out of monarchist and fascist paths

[chrome locust]

No, it does nationalist bloc, utilize the leagues, starts building up fascist support, dithers for a while, then eventually either gets (and often loses) a civil war or goes monarchist

[polar jasper]

Wait, they just fail to go fascist even when it goes national bloc

[chrome locust]

I'm talking about when France is set to default on non-historical and randomly decides to go fascist, but never actually does so

[polar jasper]

Lmao. France rework 2 when

France needs more of a rework than US and UK imo

[chrome locust]

Except I don't think it's about France getting a rework, because Germany had problems with one of its paths immediately after it got a rework, idk what's up with Poland, USA never goes non-democratic even when it's set to...

Oh and Greece always arrests the king unless it's specifically set to a path that doesn't

Like if you set Greece (or everyone) to historical then it'll let the king rig the election, but if you set it to default and it randomly rolls "go historical", it'll arrest the king and do a bunch of economy and army focuses before realizing it has nothing better to do than to go venezelist

[wooden wyvern]

Ive never played vic frankly so i dont know what that entails

But war is much more then just combat

Esp around ww2 era

So much of it is in economics and morale and diplomacy and internal affairs when it comes to total mobilization

Id argue it cannot be a true war game without simulating what large scale warfare entails for a nation

Id imagine there are differences between that vision and vic considering the time period tho

[cosmic stag]

they should add a command for manpower like: you enter a number like 500k or 100 mil and you get the manpower

[brittle venture]

id say right now its going the opposite where it stops being ww2 and is more a silly war game

and imo thats fun

[brittle venture]

there is

its the manpower command literally

manpower then number

[cosmic stag]

oh alr sorry casey @brittle venture

[wooden wyvern]

Oh no i agree i was saying such a shift could be beneficial

Not that its actually happening or will happen

Altho i think both paths have much room to make a fun game

I just wish devs put a little more to make such room utilized

[brittle venture]

imo the historical focus also comes with a more how do i put this

historically focused community

which is both less people and typically more hm problematic people to put it lightly

so i understand why ahist has been the main focus

[maiden sierra]

Just like the Polish sanationist civil war is commented out on historical. Turning off historical and setting them to a historical path means guaranteed civil war, when they could have been scripted to take enough focuses to prevent civil war.

[rocky escarp]

If the previous country packs aren't accessible to brokies then these theatre packs will be less affordable considering the price is going to go up to account for DLC-exclusive mechanic

Not all the price jump from Expansion Pass 1 to 2 is made up by NCNS after all

[whole arch]

Sob
Paradox hates poor people 😔

[hollow lion]

If you wait, the DLC tend to become cheaper

[fervent prairie]

Doesn’t excuse the egregious price

[polar jasper]

Who said it wasn't

[pseudo wing]

that is not something you can do here, no

[stuck pelican]

Why

[pseudo wing]

This is not a space for you to make money/sell things, this is a space to talk about HOI

[polar jasper]

The only people allowed to sell things here are PDX

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-idiot-imbecile-goofy-gif-16260420

[fresh cedar]

Germany had problems with a path so they won’t rework France? I don’t quite get the logic here. I could definitely see France getting a rework

[chrome locust]

I'm saying that because a lot of countries are having the same problem, the questions of "should France be reworked" and "why do countries fail non-historical paths" are fundamentally separate questions.

[fresh cedar]

Wish they had defined alt history scenarios, and then a chaos random mode

[chrome locust]

Alt-history scenarios would be interesting yeah, although the chaos random mode would still have the same problems it has now

[fresh cedar]

Of course, but at least we would have more stable alternatives

[fresh cedar]

Like if they even had just slight alt history that was plausible

[cold gale]

Weirdest thought if UK ever got a rework… there should be a republic/commonwealth of Britain path

[pastel flume]

Yeah id wish that the German fragmentation rules would allow for a west vs east to make the west and east Germany countries spawnabke and playable as for the moment they can't be spawned with out commands

[chrome locust]

They get spawned by the Yalta conference I think? Not sure, I generally play althist or don't get that far

[pastel flume]

Or a united China at the start and more fragmentation options like for Romania, USA, Japan, Mexico , Czech split, spawnable Baltic duchy for baltics etc

[pastel flume]

Nope west and east Germany are used as cosmetic tags for Germany through that event, they dont give cores to wgr or ddr anymore

Like just a way to play as west or east Germany without commands would be nice

Since west and east Germany can form germany and west Germany could "form" EU

I'd hope the new dlc updates rattakanoshin to allow it to core that east Burman state they added in goe

Also fix Burmas population

Half the population disappears in one update

[brittle venture]

i kinda hope siam will have a path where they can make burma, laos, cambodia, vietnam and malaysia maybe even singapore fight against their colonizers

because itd be a bit silly to pull off really

it would also be nice for resistance to be reworked so states can revolt, this happened irl way more than full countries and currently its kind of broken?

you can get 100% resistance in 4 out of 5 states of a country and they wont revolt, its really frustrating honestly

and for example ethiopia needs to make 5 or so states have 100% at once over sudan, practically impossible

i would love to see more anti-imperial or anti-colonialist content :) its fun to play (challenging) and good roleplay imo

[polar jasper]

Siam probably should have a get out of jail free card feature similarish to Romania

[pastel flume]

I mean china can whitepeace France if you control Indochina with a decision so it can be implemented

[polar jasper]

Since they got off mostly free and just lost the land they took, partially due to the free Thai movement

[pastel flume]

I hope they fix the fact that when Japan invades India, the princely states spawn and then capitulate so now theres a separate peacedeal to take those states

[polar jasper]

Thai alt history is going to be awful because of being surrounded by majors unless there are white peace mechanics

[brittle venture]

alt history really isnt that bad

[pastel flume]

Goe 2.0

[brittle venture]

its historical thats worse

on ahist usually majors become weaker

[pastel flume]

Like oh you industrialized a bit, now go fight the allies!

[polar jasper]

Well, historical is become puppet of Japan and go in its wild ride

Or you are an Axis partner with a get out of jail free card

[brittle venture]

i think thats fun, personally i wasnt a big fan of when they buffed afghanistan

kinda boring now that its so strong

[polar jasper]

Thailand was called the Italy of the East for a reason

[pastel flume]

I mean a cooperation with the allies to get some former states back would be an interesting way

[brittle venture]

people also complain too much

[polar jasper]

People still whining over the naval invasion changes

[brittle venture]

yoire either gonna have relatively little change in industry/strenght or youre gonna have mega bloat

[polar jasper]

Despite it being a net positive

[pastel flume]

I think normally it's pretty weak, but it's very strong if you know to optimally play it

[brittle venture]

no thats a bit unrelated

[brittle venture]

thats the case for every country

[pastel flume]

I like how you can flip communist at any time for any path

[brittle venture]

besides maybe like romania

[polar jasper]

I had a fun historical* Philippines game. I carried the pacific war effort

[pastel flume]

Or the flexible foreign policy branch it has

[polar jasper]

You dont need to be very strong to have an impact

Though anyone who says 9/2 divisions are good are liars

I did it for larp

[cold gale]

Id hope for some kinda French Indochina released instead of it being French annexed land, so that there can be a possibility for trees in Burma, Indochina, and Malaysia in the future, possibly New Zealand but that’s a bit of a stretch

[polar jasper]

Personally, no need for more colonies

We got like 5 middle eastern colonies as tags now

Which do nothing but die and bring slightly more lag to the game

[pastel flume]

That would be way later no more new tags we've had like 12 new countries these past uoadtes

[polar jasper]

What will Indochina do? Get annexed and turned into 3 puppets?

[pastel flume]

The goe countries are actually useless except for like Burma Syria and either Palestine or Jordan right now

I wish they weren't there if goe is turned off

[polar jasper]

Palestine and Jordon are also useless

Literally, just have them reannexed

[pastel flume]

Like I get some colonies were protectorate and mandates and whatnot but the game would get harder to run on with this many new tags at once

[polar jasper]

The only one that slightly deserves to be in existence is Egypt

But that breaks Allied AI

[pastel flume]

I wish

[polar jasper]

And makes them 100% lose north africa

[pastel flume]

I've already seen Ai Italy take over north Africa on historical at this point so

[polar jasper]

Ive seen AI Italy win the africa campaign and then proceed to eat so many rocks they sank and died quickly

[pastel flume]

Also china ai struggling to fight Japan and then capitulate

[polar jasper]

50/50 if they live or die

[brittle venture]

player china struggles now too

thats like normal

[polar jasper]

China is supposed to eat rocks and get given life preservers over time

Though there is no way for communist China to win on historical

[cold gale]

easiest way to beat China imo is just getting tank divisions and encircling Chinese divisions into oblivion

<@&846894118219022336>

We got a CCP spy

[pastel flume]

Huh

[harsh token]

You please

[pastel flume]

Nah

[polar jasper]

Oh, someone wants free hoi4

[harsh token]

🙏

[polar jasper]

Now, if you are in the US and over 16

You can get this thing called a job

You also get work experience that looks good on a resume

[whole arch]

Free hoi4? In my Paradox Discord?" impossible

[polar jasper]

And you get paid at least 7.50 an hour

[harsh token]

Dang

[polar jasper]

Minus some of that in taxes and you get money

[cold gale]

7.50? In my state it’s 15.00 an hour

[whole arch]

Federal minimum and state minimum are different

[harsh token]

What if your not American

[polar jasper]

You get a job

[whole arch]

jst gottas lock in ig

[polar jasper]

And earn money of unknown amount

[cold gale]

Same case for other nation

[brittle venture]

what are we doing here

[polar jasper]

He wants free hoi4

[harsh token]

Begging

[brittle venture]

explain before i action you for scamming

[polar jasper]

Im telling him that jobs are amazing things

[harsh token]

Are you familiar with Temu

[polar jasper]

Well, he isnt scamming

[cold gale]

temu a scam tbh

[polar jasper]

He is sending an invite code so someone can give him something

Eh probably

[harsh token]

It’s a promotional event where if invite enough member I get free stuff and I have no friends

[brittle venture]

taps the sign @harsh token

[whole arch]

promotional event fo rhoi4 😭

[polar jasper]

Well, dont do it here

[harsh token]

Fine 🥺

[polar jasper]

There may be a lot of communists who play hoi4, but they arent in the giving mood

We here all respect the importance of jobs and money

[harsh token]

I don’t have a job

[polar jasper]

And we arent going to spend 40 bucks for some random stranger

[harsh token]

It’s free

[cold gale]

It’s free to get a job too

[whole arch]

can fix that though

then you won't have to beg

[polar jasper]

Burger King will hire you probably

McDonalds perhaps

[harsh token]

No Burger kings nearby

Or McDonald’s

[polar jasper]

Uh

[cold gale]

Or KFC

[harsh token]

No

[polar jasper]

The grocery store

[cold gale]

Or jollybee

[whole arch]

gas station

[harsh token]

Jollybee?

[polar jasper]

Isn't Jollibee Filipino or am I thinking of something else?

[cold gale]

It’s also in America and other countries too

[harsh token]

Never heard of it

[polar jasper]

Either case, there are a lot of jobs that don't require a high school diploma

Dont pay well, but they exist

Blue collar work also exists

[harsh token]

Not here

[cold gale]

lawn cutting, home renovation (gotta learn but it’s worth while)

[harsh token]

It’s winter

[cold gale]

Then shovel snow 🤷‍♂️

[polar jasper]

Shoveling snow is an actual way to get money

[harsh token]

People own snowblowers

[polar jasper]

30 bucks for a cleared out driveway

[cold gale]

And what about those who don’t own snowblowers?

[polar jasper]

Maybe less

[harsh token]

Idk any

[polar jasper]

I live in the US Midwest, even people here dont own snowblowers

We do of course

[harsh token]

Well I live in Canada

[polar jasper]

But people appreciate when others do work for them

[cold gale]

Work at Tim hortens then

[polar jasper]

Why stand in the cold when someone else can do it for $20

[whole arch]

twin, you can easily get a job in Canada, its not South America or some shit like that 😭

[polar jasper]

Note, negotiate the price before doing the work

[harsh token]

Have you guys been to Canada

[polar jasper]

Im in the US Midwest

Close enough

We just have Fahrenheit and gallons instead of Celsius and Liters

Canada in every other way

[cold gale]

Unless you’re in the part where eskimos and polar bears inhabit, you can probably find jobs in Canada.

[harsh token]

We got 20cm of snow last week

[polar jasper]

Rookie numbers

[whole arch]

My girlfriend is Canadian, so I know enough to know you get hella benfits for existing if your the right person, and that your a first world country, AND that jobs are not a scarcity

[cold gale]

Me when I may get 12-24 inches this weekend

[polar jasper]

That's business though

Think of all the sidewalks you can shovel or snowblow

And all the money to earn

[stable tusk]

Do you guys also measure your own height in feet and inches, distance in km, travel distance in time, and everything else in cm and meters

[cold gale]

Height in feet and inches, distance by miles, travel distance yes, then everything else in inches feet yards centimeters kilometers millimeter etc.

[polar jasper]

We do travel distance in time

We are 30 minutes away

Because 1 mile varies

1 mile on the highway is a minute

1 mile in the city is 10 minutes

Depending on traffic

[stable tusk]

Nice

[cold gale]

1 mile in NYC is 20-30 minutes

either walk or drive but still a pain doing so

[harsh token]

Can you guys download Temu now

[polar jasper]

Holy smokes

Get a job

We gave you money making opportunities

[cold gale]

Get employment or go back to scamming randoms that isn’t hoi4

[polar jasper]

And I dont want to buy crappy stuff off that site

I only buy crappy dlcs for myself

I enjoy my seaplane tender models that I spent $50 on

[whole arch]

real shit

[cold gale]

Id rather pay for Aliexpress on cheap stuff rather than temu tbh, hell even build a pc from there lmao

[polar jasper]

*to be fair, I got more than just that

[whole arch]

rather buy GoE than that

[polar jasper]

I got GoE by getting the expansion pass

[cold gale]

Same

[polar jasper]

So I spent 40 dollars on Ride of the Valkyries

And got free GDR and GoE

[cold gale]

Better paying for all than just one tbh

[whole arch]

lmao I got RotV for free from the raffel

[harsh token]

Temu? Anyone

[polar jasper]

Mods, smite this man for spamming

[cold gale]

Shall I ping again?

or no

[harsh token]

Me

[whole arch]

chat, employ this man

[harsh token]

Opp

[polar jasper]

@stable tusk what's the employment age in canada

[cold gale]

<@&846894118219022336> catnan won’t stop yapping about being unemployed and sending temu stuff, please smite this man 🙏

ps: sorry for secondary ping

[stable tusk]

Ydym like what age people can get a job?
14 with parents permission, 16 without

[polar jasper]

So america basically, neat

[cold gale]

Makes enough sense

[cold gale]

isn’t Florida doing some weird thing about job stuff?

[polar jasper]

Some states are loosening child labor laws

[whole arch]

seriously tho @harsh token get a job, it'll do more for you in life than sitting here begging and looking rediculous

[polar jasper]

The children yearn for the blue collar jobs i guess

[cold gale]

They yearn for the mines

[polar jasper]

Job experience is really good actually

And money for college

Or for savings

[cold gale]

Even investing

Heard Intel is going back up now

[harsh token]

🥺

🙏

[polar jasper]

Roblox is free

[cold gale]

Could record Roblox videos and make money off of it

[whole arch]

also like, wait till the steam sale

[brittle venture]

theyve been actioned

[whole arch]

coolio alright

[dense apex]

Like how strict are the Imperial Japanese Army / Navy timers to attack shit ?

Trying to figure out if I should play but at the same time, I don’t wanna be at war with the allies and China at the same time

Like kill China than Soviets

Allies ffs

[wooden wyvern]

Thats the fun part tho

But i dont think its that harsh

As long as you can kill china in time

Like theyre not gonna make you fight usa before 1941

So that gives you like 3 or 4 years

[dense apex]

So I’m always going to fight the US

Kill China is obvious than Soviets , allies if I’m feeling saucy i’m not good with navy

[wooden wyvern]

not sure tbh

i never tried to avoid it

you dont need to be good with navy tbh

just set some random screens on patrol and do not engage

and micro a deathstack of everything else (minus subs)

the ai is completely screwed cause for some reason they never put their ships together and makea big fleet

like genuinely imagine if the ai never put divisions off garrison order

thats basically what the ai is doing with navy rn

[coarse bobcat]

they butchered the German AI

Italy cap and DDay 42

the Germans lost almost twice the casualties to the Soviets

my tannu tuva game is fried, sure its possible to push siberia and cap mongolia, but capping the soviets is simply impossible without the germans

[coral drift]

Heh, yeah....
I hope the DLC would be affordable to the Indonesian fans
All 100 of it

[rocky escarp]

steamdb wants to say that you get ToA/GoE for -42.57% in Rp compared to €

I also couldn't help but notice that ToA only got its -50% sale like 1½ years after release. Gonna be a long time of -20% sales for TaoG...

[hollow coral]

<@&846894118219022336>

[fallen zenith]

Thx. Got it

[hollow lion]

Im confused why they decided to rebalance peacedeal tension

Puppeting now causes 0 tension? Civil wars reduce tension?
Annexing a country reduces tension assuming they have less than 30 or so states?

It also seems silly to have demilitarization decrease tension because players can just spam it on their new puppet to conquer away and then not be viewed with any hostility if the wargoal wasnt through justification

[rocky escarp]

Well that might have been sooner than expected

But a dev corner on a Thursday isn't unwanted at all

Well starting off with addressing the Limited Wars topic is certainly one way to demonstrate you were reading all replies

[jovial flower]

Hearing the fact they actually mentioned the issue of wars is nice

Till they said it was currently limited to the dlc nations

Darn

I guess soon+10 years

[rocky escarp]

HOI V having a ton of work to make a credible limited wars system might be optimistic

Well I guess fair enough not leaving this out of sight

[cobalt sage]

why can't they add limited wars for all countries? Is it purely so they can add that to a £30 dlc next year or is there an actual technical limitation?

[thick edge]

Limited wars?

But more??

Holy peak

[rocky escarp]

To some degree every rework ever made for HOI IV is meant to address a technical limitation of the current gamestate

I'd actually wager there's more of a concern with game design limitation, even something as technically simple as making the AI press the Conditional Surrender button can end up being a challenge to design around with what peace conference outcomes you'd want and what you'd not want

[vapid osprey]

I don't think I've ever once used the conditionally surrender button. It's always x'd out anyways

[rocky escarp]

The only people who would be able to attest to using the button would be those who do multiplayer

Except they don't commonly do scenarios where conditional surrender is an allowed option so

[cobalt sage]

Don't limited wars already exist e.g Finland soviet war

isn't it number if casualties and you get decision to peace out with whatever you wanted

why not ctrl c ctrl v that

[rocky escarp]

The issue people have is that they don't want limited wars to be a thing only content designers are able to add to the game

Want something the programmers implement into the game irrespective of flavoured content

[keen totem]

limited wars thank the lord

https://tenor.com/view/black-pray-success-gif-21510826033213311

[bitter mauve]

Well, new exploits are coming

[vapid osprey]

I'm not confused as to why but how. To me having world tension ramp back down towards 0 is realistic as it is about WW2 after all. But how they did it is indeed confusing, to me it seems they just had to put in some unorthodox numbers/code in the peace deal system most likely because they are limited technically what they can do

[hollow lion]

It doesnt achieve that why though, there is better stats like world tension decay

Maybe on they tweaked it based on historical where there is only 2 major peacedeals where the bad guys lose but on ahistorical its pretty bad

[vapid osprey]

Oh yeah I almost exclusively play ahistorical so that's all I see

[whole arch]

Damn, new corner so soon, awesome
Hopefully the limited wars thing is something that exists outside of just Siam
It would be interesting to have mechanics for things like morale and war weariness or smth like that though that build up over time and (for the AI at least) makes you more and more likely to ask for peace... Especially if it gives debuffs over time...
-# Player Fantasy time

[keen totem]

at least for this dlc, looks like it'll only be a thing for siam

[whole arch]

Cries and dies
But- but- but- 😭

[pure schooner]

Huh where

[hollow lion]

In an earlier 1.17 version alr, not today's dev thing

[coral drift]

Should be not.
But then again, the old way of making scripted peace deals is not that complicated. Done that a lot in EIR (going to Washington just because they did not want to let the Filipinos become communist is pain)

[keen totem]

well i feel they'd use it for indonesia in certain cases as well, but beyond the countries out of the expansion doesnt look like any rework of such will be made for limited wars

id imagine indonesia/east indies likely will have a revolution path to break away from the dutch, similar to india's azad hind path

[coral drift]

The easy part is this
The hard part is to find out infos on the guys involved
Like, for the post-revolution stuffs, finding out their actual, pre-1940 leanings.

[keen totem]

not too educated on indonesia during this time but id imagine some inspiration could be taken from the actual indonesian revolution that happened in our timeline?

by rallying the nationalists in some alt historical scenario, perhaps they'd rally behind sukarno?

[coral drift]

Oh, true
But the guys involved in the Indonesian National Revolution only appeared after the Japanese Occupation

[coral drift]

Even the foremost Indonesian nationalist in 1936 was not Sukarno

[keen totem]

fair

[coral drift]

I dug up a lot of books to find out about that, most of them aren't available online

Heck, I found a book only housed in a particular library at Jogjakarta

[coral drift]

But I hope the Indonesian National Revolution would be in TaoG too as one of the two historical routes available

Like the Free/Vichy France situation

[keen totem]

the devs have said a few times before they want to expand a bit on post-war content, so seeing it implemented would definitely be nice

[coral drift]

I have faith that they can do it

[marsh maple]

chat are you proud of me?

[rotund cargo]

I would say that it is a pretty Satisfactory result ;]

[muted current]

W

[cursive hatch]

Lucky

[marsh maple]

Ty dev :p

i was close to 30 mins of hel too

but i caped

900k dead

[rotund cargo]

Oooh, very nice 🙂

That achievement is very close to my heart, as it is based on my 'score' after winning PDXCON 2018 Challenge 😄 (Way before I joined the Paradox)

[marsh maple]

o great to know

i never knew this

i rlly like the idea of the chalange

[marsh maple]

rn im doing this strat and works very well unit soviets demand vilnius

[rotund cargo]

Good luck ;]

[marsh maple]

ty :)

im rlly struggling rn

[cold gale]

i got a QoL suggestion for hoi4, when choosing the "homebase" you should allow people to click on selected naval base to have the home base selected, rather than choosing from list of random locations in a list from highest naval bases to lowest...

[rotund cargo]

IIRC Ctrl-Right Click on Naval Base sets that Naval Base as the home base for selected fleet

[green scaffold]

you can just click the gear button to have it choose automatically the base for you

[whole arch]

HUZZAH

NOW I FEEL MOTIVATED TO PLAY PAST THE ONE BIG WAR

[pastel flume]

i did the tierra de fuego one before gtd on historical by going down enforcing monroe on argentina and they capped when they joined the axis and just released welsh argentina and nuked it lol

[brisk patrol]

We need Rattanakosin Kingdom for Siam

the king abdicated around early 1935 and fled to london but I wouldn't know much more past that, still would be cool though

[pastel flume]

Guess what

[brisk patrol]

I swear I looked through it all, where do you see it?

[pastel flume]

In decisions

[brisk patrol]

I had no clue it was in the game already what the hell

I mean there was no incentive to play siam up until this update comes out

[pastel flume]

Rt56 has a nice siam focus tree in the meantime if you want a siam game

[polar jasper]

Siam has a little army national spirit

[brisk patrol]

I'll probably wait for the dlc because RT56 historical doesn't work for me

[polar jasper]

Otherwise you are stuck between majors

I think it would be nice if they made it to where the Free Thai movement would hamper you a bit if you are siding with japan and if things turn for the worse, you can side with them and not get wrecked by the Allies in whatever peace deal happens

[dawn maple]

Has anyone seen this event? "Liechtenstein troops return after successful military operation"

[coral drift]

Playing as Swiss or Austria?

[coral drift]

Another piece of lore dropped

[dawn maple]

austria

nf

What I don't understand is that NF is the guardian of the Danube, yet they were able to create the EU.

[pastel flume]

cause otto

[coral drift]

Hmm, yeah
I'm looking at the NF picture in HoI4Wiki, and you went the Protector path, not EU

[coral drift]

Oh, figures

[coral drift]

If the devs has a spare time, a better "compressing the taken paths after hiding the obsolete ones" for some national focus would be a nice QoL feature for the next War Effort patch

[coral drift]

So the Liechtensteiners events are related to him being an advisor or to the decisions?

[pastel flume]

uh you are not supposed to get eu and liechtenstein at the same time wtf

[coral drift]

He went "Protector of the Danube" path, though

But that and Liechtenstein aren't mutually-exclusive, right?

[pastel flume]

you need to have the focuses for relcaim habsburg and also the future of germany focuses done for the liechtenstein event to trigger

[pastel flume]

yeah but thats just the liechtenstein color and flag so maybe console commands to change cosmetic tag

[coral drift]

Yeah, most likely this since I did not see any Empire-related focus taken in his NF screenshot

[low shale]

Pregnant man emoji

[gloomy salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244770894379876364/1260336837172531360/gear.gif

[median bronze]

hey can I ask a question?

also anyone else feel like navy also needs a few changes in the next DLC, im quite worried about some of the things currently especially for the next DLC when playing small/non existant navy nations

[wise oxide]

all my homies hate RNG

[rotund cargo]

?

[polar jasper]

The main problem is that the AI loses all of its screens and then it cant effectively strike force

Navy is scarily easy due to the AI posing 0 threat

Patrolling with your main strike force will vaporize all enemy screens and then you deal with their main strike force

[median bronze]

I put a post on the dev corner and also mentioned some issues with navy, hoping the dev team can read it https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/dev-corner-2601002-thunder-at-our-gates.1896230/post-31070543

[median bronze]

i pretty much outlined it in my post here

hoping the devs can see it and talk about that issue and hopefully fix it in the next patch

[rocky oasis]

Very excited for @coral drift’s book on the Indonesian independence movement when the DEI/Indonesia dev corner gets posted.

[shy sentinel]

If I take my time as Japan, and invade China like 2 years later, in order to better prepare my army, what might the setbacks be?

I like to build things up before I do anything

[wooden wyvern]

if youre fighting china you dont need to prepare really

you build up as the war goes and the frontline gets bigger

but id imagine army will get pissed at you

to answer your question

[timber bay]

imo siam is the funnest nation to play it's perfetly sized but not too weak it makes the perfect challange

[outer summit]

@tidal harbor

@tidal harbor

@tidal harbor

[warm shore]

English only

[outer summit]

okey

[coral drift]

Lol
Would probably doing lots of citing

[proper garden]

just love being dragged into ww2 from this

[timber bay]

they gotta add a feature to make regional conflicts a thing that doesn't get you drawn to the world stage

[unreal beacon]

wasn't faction rework supposed to fix this? lmao

[fresh cedar]

Did it fix the Italian civil war bringing everyone into WW2?

[polar jasper]

Monroe Doctrine moment or Chile declared war on Japan and joined the US

Historical Chile always declares war on Japan

[proper garden]

They just joined the allies

[pastel flume]

and then chile is a major........

[coral drift]

Never played it
Does the economic tree boosted Chile too much?

IIRC it's a shared one right?

[short pivot]

i am so SICK and TIRED of factions merging, like whats the point! little entente just merged with the allies, it ruins the same so much, anyone else having this problem?

[polar jasper]

"Merge the Ententes"

Epic focus, will do again

Germany must be destroyed

[short pivot]

Still doesn’t explain why you have facist and commies join the allies, the rework was meant to fix the system not ruin it

[polar jasper]

You shouldn't be able to

I think there is a faction rule preventing it

Or at least no commies

[short pivot]

Exactly but still, I saw Mughal join Comintern in my last MP, fascist Italy loves to join the allies in every single player non historical game I have

[polar jasper]

MP?

[short pivot]

Yeah

[polar jasper]

You can easily* change faction rules

It only costs a faction point

[polar jasper]

Italy has a focus to form Stressa Front

Probably able to join allies before then

[short pivot]

Nono Comintern was owned by the soviets but the soviets was AI, so the player joined a basic Comintern faction becuz Same war opponents

[polar jasper]

Interesting

Oh, classic

[short pivot]

But like the Mughal was a monarchy… in the Comintern. That’s just immersion breaking lmao

[short pivot]

Hm yeah but does Mussolini do that one? Isnt that the alt fascist?

[polar jasper]

Oh, Mussolini?

I guess same war thing

Also Fascist UK gets Italy into Allies

Because their goal is to surround Germany

[short pivot]

Yeah fair, it’s still annoying like you’ll have games where you can’t join allies or a faction due to “aggressor” or “not same continent” and then when the ai just bypasses that 😭

[polar jasper]

War results in strange bedfellows

[short pivot]

might just end up playing ahistorical mode with no factions lmao (and no guarantees)

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-when-fun-begins-smile-happy-gif-15656461

[hushed lion]

Faction rules do not block countries that have focuses that make them join a Faction be unable to join said Faction, and italy has a focus to join thr allies

[rocky escarp]

Not sure if it should be that focus checks if it is valid to join a faction before you can do it, but doesn't cancel if ongoing in case someone tries to troll by changing faction rules mid-focus

[green scaffold]

uk sometimes lead the allies as fascist, while having faction rule that fascist countries can't join. its really dumb. the rule should automatically update to the leader ideology

[thin yacht]

map shader fix when

[pastel flume]

has anyone else noticed this says Plurnational instead of Plurinational?

[hollow coral]

no

[cosmic stag]

i hope the next new dlc expansion adds Fleet carriers

and other SPs

[hollow lion]

fleet carrier is just the default carrier type, isnt it?

[cosmic stag]

well alr

but it was still its own carrier type

in ww2

[gloomy salmon]

I want to see minefield mechanics

Like in same way as scorched earth, when u forcefully destroy logistics

[rocky escarp]

Going from DLC-exclusive escort carrier to DLC-exclusive fleet carrier

And it better be more convincing than special project because I'm not really sure we want to have the same community response all over again

[mint steppe]

the moment someone is saying to add a "basic thing" like that in a dlc shows how broken the game community and devs are, that stuff should be free already the same apllies for this new dlc its a remake of a previous dlc made, which was paid for

[hollow coral]

this is just asking for stuff that only contributes to giveing bigger numbers

[coral drift]

Too tactical

[gloomy salmon]

No like, state modifier which increases casualties

Like similar thing exist as sea region modifier

[coral drift]

Hmm
Poland kinda has that mechanic
Sweden has a "rigged mines" mechanic
Probably Indies and Romania can rig their refineries too (and Soviets should have one for Baku)

But that's for resource....

Finland has Motti Tactics state modifier

[cosmic stag]

i hope we get more Future SPs in future dlcs expansions

[pastel flume]

I guess Abolishing the colonies only abolishes 99% of the colonies

[hollow coral]

hope theres something today

[hollow coral]

YESS

proud to be Australian

https://tenor.com/view/hey-gif-2642067979719313440

[rocky escarp]

This time they provide inspiration 🤔

[cobalt sage]

do we happen to know if NZ is being updated this dlc or is it gonna end up like the czechs get a separate standalone dlc

[hollow coral]

there isnt any indication of new zealand content in this dlc nor do we know if there will be a dlc for new zealand but they might update some content

[brittle venture]

ive commented for the first time :)

[fossil torrent]

Why are they covering Q2 content when we don’t even have any info on Q1 ship models ?

[cobalt sage]

I feel like there gonna make another dlc in this region just to cover Malaya Dutch east indies etc etc

[rocky escarp]

Well this dev corner isn't covering content, and the next one would still only be their plans rather than anything concrete

[hollow coral]

dutch east indies are going to be in the dlc

[cobalt sage]

oh yeah I forgot

[cobalt sage]

I get the feeling they think more people are interested in the new focus trees over ship models and will cover them later on

[rocky escarp]

Don't think a dev corner would be spent on the cosmetic pack and the dev diary would be a lot closer to release

[fossil torrent]

I’m just expecting a closer date to Q1 pacific models or at least a preview of those

[brittle venture]

this is planning out content with player input stage

ship models dont need planning

[cobalt sage]

We will probably see the models like a few weeks from release or something

[pseudo wing]

banning you rn

trying to escape the basement

[median bronze]

U guys mind liking my comment please? its pretty important for navy https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/dev-corner-2601003-taog-australia.1896093/post-31077775

[median bronze]

laughs in british PG tea

[median bronze]

W

[brittle venture]

this is mine (sorry for formatting i was on phone) https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/dev-corner-2601003-taog-australia.1896093/post-31077695

[median bronze]

ill take a look can u like my comment its pretty important for navy fr

[median bronze]

emus mentioned

[teal crow]

Please paradox devs give us lessons from the great emu war as a focus on australia

And emu war related events

Trust me its essential for the dlc

[brittle venture]

thats why you should like my comment and share it fr im unbiased

[median bronze]

still tho my comment about navy they just seem to go over their heads fr

[tall dragon]

MAuGA!

[median bronze]

i think thats the fascist path not democratic..

or maybe its democratic but u don't stay with the UK

like an independence path?

[tall dragon]

ig

[brittle venture]

i will say im not really an australia player

[teal crow]

australia needs a emu divsion template

[median bronze]

yeah but if they read my comment about navy and fix it I might give it a go again and have fun with it

[brittle venture]

nah navy isnt the issue

[median bronze]

like if they don't fix navy how is oceania gonna be fun

[brittle venture]

just no formables :(

i like new zealand

[median bronze]

a new zealands dream

[brittle venture]

you get a big formable as new zealand

8.5mil core pop

total ish

and good air buffs

so i like it

[brittle venture]

also like

playing australia should feel more like playing a continent thats really poor

i think

its large (other continents for scale)

[rocky escarp]

Can it be possible to do a map where you compare the areas people actually live on in both continents

[median bronze]

we need desert infantry I thjink

if we got rangers for europe rather than giving australia just a modifier their should be desert inf

[rocky escarp]

Is training in the Outback why we know them as desert fighters in the North African campaign

[median bronze]

exactly

so we should get a new special forces branch for desert inf

[rocky escarp]

I dunno about adding another special force branch that whoever is dealing with that campaign on both sides must have to succeed

And we already stuck Rangers into the DLC-exclusive camp, not sure why they keep DLC-gating these kinds of features

[median bronze]

we have rangers, all we're missing is desert tbh

ngl late game after researching all doctorines and doing templates XP lowkey becomes useless, I would expect terrain related XP which those can be used specifically on special forces branches tbh

[rocky escarp]

They really did cut down from 1000 XP to fill out your doctrine to 500 XP to select grand doctrine + all subdoctrines

And of course consider discounts as well...

[median bronze]

Yeah but like lowkey I always have a surpluss

[brittle venture]

it should still feel like a large region?

where people live doesnt matter for feeling large

[untold flicker]

PDX should make a focus/decision to call Australia: New Holland, Terra Australis Icognita, Commonwealth Of Australia, Oz, Ahitereiria, Town Down Under, Terra Australis, something related to Aboriginal People

[brittle venture]

brasil feels large

[median bronze]

to have like a grand doctorine style thing where you spend army/air/navy XP on unlocking paratroopers etc would be good in the special forces branch then anything below would be based on terrain XP similar to how doctorines work currently where you need to grind tanks to get armor doctorine but the same for terrain

[rocky escarp]

I suppose mastery for terrain would be interesting but I don't think the rest of the current special forces doctrine trees are as easily transferable to the grand doctrine/subdoctrine system

[brittle venture]

terrain xp already exists

[median bronze]

I mean its already integrated you need armor XP to upgrade ur tanks doctorines

[brittle venture]

but only for generals/field marshals

[median bronze]

that too

it wouldn't be hard for the developers to integrate the special forces to use the doctorines tree setup and then have its values based on the terrain XP.

the code is already in the game just on the engine side I think

[untold flicker]

Spanish, Dutch, French or Portuguese Australia would be interesting

Japanese Australia wouldn't be too far fetched

[median bronze]

there should be a 21 day focus to claim the portugese land in the indies

[rocky escarp]

But the design is what
You need 120 60 XP to unlock Recon Rangers or Pioneers, 180 XP to unlock Airborne light armour

Dunno if this XP-gating for the special forces support companies is what we want to keep in a doctrine rework or not

Not to mention the cap contribution discount

[untold flicker]

American Australia would be cursed

[median bronze]

USA tree > annex the emus

[untold flicker]

German Australia or Italian Australia would be more cursed

[brittle venture]

chinese australia up top

[untold flicker]

Yh

[drifting star]

We need a meme emu leader path

Or one that references that one TikTok about a land down under

[rocky escarp]

Can an emu even stick around on a throne or will it run off as soon as you finished herding onto it

[green scaffold]

so you want Australia to cap the emu

then having a bird country

because we know Australia ain't winning it

would be funny ngl

[brittle venture]

just some modifier/ahist stuff would be fun i think

[green scaffold]

300 relevant xp

[brittle venture]

maybe small decision events

[green scaffold]

when you're playing inf build

pretty much

[green scaffold]

no let it be actual war its more funny

have some bird units, give them stupid stats

[brittle venture]

maybe if it escalates?

tho i think events like bolivia has are nice too

no civil war

it just changes

[rocky escarp]

Well I guess not every infantry build needs a Combat Support subdoctrine

[brittle venture]

???

the support doctrines are like the strongest doctrines

[rocky escarp]

So why exactly spend 300 XP instead of 400

Or has someone not been counting correctly

It would probably be less credible to claim an infantry build would ignore operations subdoctrine

[languid wren]

revamp ottoman path

its very short and ends early 1940s

[solid gyro]

bet it'd be funny to see an Aboriginal led Communist Australia

[rocky escarp]

Is it the combination that's funny or are people drawing from some historical idea

[brittle venture]

no

operations are just the best doctrines

for, general buffs

for any build that involves ground units

[rocky escarp]

So someone was just miscounting
Because you always spend 100 XP on the grand doctrine, and then pick three subdoctrines if you're doing an infantry build so 300 XP

400 XP in total

[fresh cedar]

Starts way too late

IMO Byzantium path better

Ottoman mid

Wish it was reworked

[outer summit]

@tidal harbor

[languid wren]

i completely disagree

i dont see why they would make such thing

[languid wren]

i agree with this tho

[languid wren]

and this

[fresh cedar]

It’s better than the ottoman path by far. You only disagree because you’re Turkish. The ottoman path starts far too late and does far too little. Meanwhile Byzantium can form pretty early and join factions pretty easily, getting their footing much earlier in a game that it’s essentially to expand early

[languid wren]

i have no bias included

[fresh cedar]

I want the Ottoman path to be better, trust me