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[dusk mist]

As for autogyros, as you said, they were used for recon, pretty much only for artillery spotting. While they could have their own special project, they were pretty niche and not very widely used, and as is are decently well represented by helicopter recon without adding any bloat.

[dusk mist]

1 Soviet autogyro type for artillery spotting was fitted with 3 machine guns and later on the ability to mount ordinance, as far as I can tell however these guns never fired a shot in anger and they stuck to their spotting duties.

I have been unable to identify a single other instance in history of autogyros being fitted with weapons, let alone being used in combat.

[polar jasper]

Me who just wants to larp the Vietnam War

[wooden wyvern]

if there was a post ww2 grand strategy game id play that

that has a more fitting economic and logistic system then hoi4

[drifting star]

Wrw dev is run by a Russia shill fyi

[polar jasper]

What is wrw

[fading walrus]

West Russian war apparently

[drifting star]

Yup

[fresh cedar]

Almost like I said they should just be used for recon 🤯

Helicopters can take off vertically which means they can resupply much closer to the frontline whereas planes have to operate from airbases, not just forward operating bases.

Yet Helicopters grew into many different roles over the 50’s and 60’s, something which could have happened sooner had nations dumped more resources into it and over a longer world war which would see more extensive field testing

Literally equipment develops quicker in war. With many HOI4 games going well into the 1960’s, it is completely logically that had the world war gone even into the 1950’s, helicopters would’ve developed much quicker

I know it may be hard to comprehend technology developing differently than real life. But HOI4 is a game full of alt history, and clearly has room for such experiences

[dusk mist]

I know, was just supporting your claim.

[dusk mist]

So can an infantryman, doesn't make him any good for CAS

Seriously, I don't see how this offsets a single one of the crippling disadvantages

[dusk mist]

Correct. And things like ENGINES are top of the list. I don't know in what world you think that 10-20 years extra engine development was missed out on in ww2 because they weren't trying hard enough.

The French were the first ones to attempt mounting weapons to helicopters, and they had huge problems with engine power. They had to keep downscaling their plans. It was another 10 years before proper gunships came into use.

I know it may be difficult to comprehend that Hoi4 has a technology system for these things, and that they do not allow you to get engines from 20 years in the future.

[dusk mist]

"if the world war had gone into the 1950s"

Question, are you advocating for heli gunships to become available in the 1950s (pretty reasonable), or in the 1940s? The former is literally impossible with hoi4 since the game's official end date is 1948, so obviously they are not going to add content after that. And helicopter gunship tech becoming useful in the 1950s in the case of a world war continuing that long is in no way, shape, or form an argument for it to be available in the 1940s.

[dusk mist]

Yes, due to development of various technologies, most importantly perhaps better engines, able to support a higher level of maneuverability, and actually mount something resembling a useful armament.

You should (hopefully) be familiar with the tech tree in hoi4. The engines do not go up to 1955 or 1960...

[dusk mist]

Nor how it is an advantage. The slow and vulnerable vehicle can resupply closer than the plane, perhaps offsetting its slower speed when it comes to travel time, while still remaining just as vulnerable and generally useless in combat?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah so you just clearly aren’t reading what I’m sending at this point. I’m done talking about this with you

[lament flint]

is bro mad?

[fresh cedar]

I just can’t have conversations with people when there’s no back and forth

[lament flint]

ah ok

[lament flint]

rt56?

[lament flint]

pax historia i recommend for u

[dusk mist]

I responded to every single point lol

[robust coyote]

ELITE ball knowledge

pax historia is so good except its so unforgiving on prompts

[fresh cedar]

Scenarios in it go hard

[crimson tartan]

i do like eu5 because of economy and population but i don't like how the war works
i do like hoi4 because of how the war works but i don't like the economy and population

😭

i mean eu5 wars is ok for 14-19 centuries but not for 20

BUT EU5 ECONOMY IS JUST GOOD 😭 😭

[thick edge]

Is it just me or should the military theorists give more of a buff?

Like mastery gain

-10% cost for doctrines isn’t much for 90-150 op

[fading walrus]

Makes sense as war was very different in that era

[fresh cedar]

The definitely seem less impactful now

[stable mica]

Question to the community: Has anyone else experienced a supposedly historical Japan completely botching its invasion of China and even being pushed back into Manchuria? 👎🤔

[fresh cedar]

Is that not what happened historically? Or you mean they never secure any coastline? Majority of my games they do well in China

[wooden wyvern]

Botching the invasion was historical

Getting pushed wasnt

Iirc they were actually deeper into china 1944 than in 1942

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I just think China and Japan need their max stats nerfed. 15-20% div atk buffs are busted. They already have the advantage of manpower. Don’t need cracked stats too

[brittle venture]

yes and no

they did move further in but lost more and more control outside of the railways/major roads

[brittle venture]

japan doesnt even get stats in time

[fresh cedar]

Idk I’ve seen Japan curb stomp China like every game

With like +20% inf attack with another 10% div attack

[wooden wyvern]

Icic that checks out

[fresh cedar]

In my last game, Japan beat China, the USA and Germany (who had Great Britain on its side) all at the same time

With the US losing 40 mil and Germany losing 30 mil

[wooden wyvern]

Supremacy of the will

Trust

They were just trying hard

[fresh cedar]

Nah man China and Japan need a nerf. Legit they can already do well bc insane manpower. Dont need the highest stats in the game too

[hollow lion]

Ive not played the newest version without mods but at release Japan was quite obviously stronger than China, but AI incompetence seemt to keep it pretty balanced

[wooden wyvern]

Do they outperform germany

In stats

[fresh cedar]

Yes.

[wooden wyvern]

I was under the assumption they were up to par with italian and soviet trees but not as busted as germany

Thats pretty insane

[fresh cedar]

I think Germany may get a better economy. But Japan has better military stats

[fresh cedar]

I’ll send an image of their stats 😭

[wooden wyvern]

I mean considering they still havent nerfed germany id imagine usa will likely match or surpass them in strength once their update comes out

But china def needs a buff still

[wooden wyvern]

I feel like this is the problem
Japan naturally has to deal with a bunch of stuff the ai is horrible at doing

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather countries do good at somethings and not at others.

But recently they all seem to perform well at mostly everything

[wooden wyvern]

I agrew

But i doubt paradox is capable of that much research

[swift prism]

not Japan

But

Cool

[fresh cedar]

In ways comparable to Germany

But also not considering a few Japanese trees allow you to core all of Asia

So it’s like you have OP manpower and numbers with very little downsides

[surreal estuary]

I rarely see Japan do serious damage to other powers unless I’m playing which I like

The west usually counters them incredibly well

They are on a clock until they die

Japan (especially with China) has decent mp but its industry is small compared to any of the other big powers and that kills rhem because they can’t really field a truly well equipped army

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-samson-venturebros-go-ahead-try-to-gif-14270823

You touch my precious China

There will be blood

[wooden wyvern]

I mean the manpower is like nothing compared to china

Theyre still heavily outnumbered at least before their weird formable shit

[wooden wyvern]

They dont need to field an army like germany or russia

They never did

[surreal estuary]

I disagree, especially when fighting those powers. The Japanese never ever can equal the combined powers of the British and U.S. navies and that on top of troop superiority means that Japans war strategy requires (just as it did historically) speed

As was the axis strategy in general

[wooden wyvern]

theres only so many divisions you can cram onto tiny islands and narrow peninsulas

germany and russia are fighting across a whole continent

japans only large contiguous land front is in china where they have superiority just because china is china

[fading walrus]

Japan had only 30k men in the whole Sinapore campaign of 1941-1942

[fresh cedar]

Meanwhile HOI4 nations will have 100k per tile

[fading walrus]

UK had 120k imperial troops when they surrendered in Singapore

[wooden wyvern]

I mean that number is inflated i think

A fair amount of those were reinforcements who arrived like literally just in time to surrender

Iirc

[haughty tapir]

upcoming DLC for reworked USA and commonwealth nations please 🙏

[fading walrus]

Should France have a heavy tank division at the start or should it have a heavy tank battalion in a armor division

Because Japan now starts with medium tank divisions

[dusk mist]

It really looks like you just agreed with them while saying "I disagree".

[pastel flume]

Not every old tree needs to be re-reworked man

[thick edge]

But the US

It NEEDS it

[pastel flume]

Eh not really

Like yes the fascist oath does need an update

Its very ridiculous that Mc Arthur leads the confederacy

And yes the commie needs an update but there's not much interesting things going on with the communist party at that time

But it doesnt need a full re rework

The historical is fine for what it does

Same for the military and intervention branches

[fading walrus]

Needs more factory slots

And the communist path needs an update too given that its as unrealistic as the fascist path

[pastel flume]

I already said that

[fading walrus]

Oh I didn’t see that I’m half asleep atm

[brittle venture]

the US rn is so poor tho

[fading walrus]

Still recovering from a headcold

[pastel flume]

I get that they are alt historical but even so the way they get there is pretty dumb

[pastel flume]

Wdym poor

[fading walrus]

Agreed

[pastel flume]

Historical is fine

[fading walrus]

I think Casey means factory count wise

[faint parrot]

do the EU things in belgium come back?

[brittle venture]

trash MIOs trash mils

[pastel flume]

Just maybe a bit more expanding on the programs that the new deal gave as spirits

[thick edge]

But also if it was accurate the US would have like 700 mils

[brittle venture]

bad build slot count

[fading walrus]

USSR; Germany and now Japan can get more factories than the usa now

[thick edge]

Democracy 🦅 🦅

[pastel flume]

You can balance that out by making greater depression even worse for factory output and consumer goods

Since they didn't really get out of it until ww2 started

[fading walrus]

Kinda wish the communists and fascists have their own way of dealing with the depression

[pastel flume]

You can get a lot of factories as Brazil when uniting south america

[fading walrus]

Well the communists already do actually

And it makes their path broken

[brittle venture]

and their mils are way better than US mils too lol

[pastel flume]

Another suggestion is that usa gets a focus to build a dam Tennessee as there was a major one that was built in 1936

Also some investment in puerto rico

[unborn turret]

Add an option to build what is currently the last Kentacohut there.

[faint parrot]

give USA a useful focustree first

[unborn turret]

Will Gyula Gombos die in game?

[pastel flume]

Im not a dev

[wooden wyvern]

ever since no step back theyve considerably changed the way they approach majors and basically all the reworks since then save for italy have been absurdly powerful

so id imagine usa will likely be given justice in terms of industry and game impact

im more concerned over if theyll do it justice in other areas and actually do proper research, since japan and china both had disappointing parts

[surreal estuary]

I think it’s a tightrope

If they make America historical they will break the balance of the game and alt history won’t be possible as easily though that’s not necessarily a bad thing as I like playing hoi4 as a sim instead of a meme path sandbox but I know the community likes doing that at large

[wooden wyvern]

I actually think usa is the least likely to do that

By 1942 most conqeuests are finished or powerful enough to sandbox

[surreal estuary]

I see what you’re saying

They could make the USA snowball

Be like a ticking time bomb

[eternal arch]

the usa is already debuffed massively as it is and it’s by far the strongest country by like 1943

if the states were the same size as european states (which would involve splitting up new england, texas, california, and probably the midwest states too) that would be another like hundred building slots

[harsh hull]

Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachussets, Connecticut, and Rhode Island from the current New England stare, and Delaware from the current Maryland state - up to 150 slots there

Of course, Rhode Island and Connecticut have maybe 5 people between them just on size alone, so I can't see them getting the full 25 slots each

[fresh cedar]

By far the strongest? I’ve often seen Soviets get 1.3k factories, Germany 800-1200, and even Japan 600-900. Yet the US basically caps around 600

Even though the US industry would be like 2-3k if represented accurately

[solid gyro]

is the HOI4 wiki getting updated on the faction focus trees ?

[hushed lion]

Puppets should get their normal names

[fresh cedar]

Anarchist Spain got nerfed so hard

[fading walrus]

Massachusetts maybe gets 25 slots but definitely not Vermont

[runic bronze]

?

We need more anarchy

Anarchy nations

Even conservatives have their stuff

[fresh cedar]

Resistance is way worse now, so it’s much slower and harder to integrate territories. AND Anarchism uses 45% extra energy

[runic bronze]

Yeah

Can someone buff anarchist spain pls

Through decisions

And like

Buff their economy law pls

[hushed lion]

Oxymoron

[faint parrot]

who played anarchist spain because it was good, it was more like a meme, no?

[hushed lion]

Countries should avoid declaring on nuclear powers

[drifting star]

This would be ideal lmao

[hushed lion]

And it would make perfect sense

[fresh cedar]

It actually was pretty good on release but has slowly became more nerfed and nerfed

Literally just needs like daily compliance to be playable

[smoky atlas]

paradox should reduce every 70 days focuses to 35 days smh

[hollow lion]

Then people will complain their focus trees are done in 1939

[smoky atlas]

i'm especially talking about the new ones - japan for example

some 70 days focuses don't deserve to be 70 days :(

[hollow lion]

That is true

I was doing the army tree and some pretty weak ones were 70 days

If I remember correctly

[brittle venture]

youre not supposed to do all of it

[fresh cedar]

I think impactful ones deserve 70 days but many shouldn’t be

[fluid frost]

sometimes youve gotta get through some of the real shitters to get to the good 35 day ones

[coral drift]

Eh, for myself, it's about prioritization

You can focus on the important stuffs and relegating other stuffs down the line

If you asked me, i prefer my country leaders rule for 4 years minimum before changing. So i'll change into Hirohito at late 1940s on the earliest

Unless i'm doing a revolution.

[fresh cedar]

Wish I could recommend a small change to the devs

[coral drift]

Go on, i'll upvote it on ParadoxPlaza

[quiet verge]

Eupen Malmedy

[fresh cedar]

1. Daily compliance gain for anarchist Spain. (To combat resistance changes which affect the main gameplay loop of anarchist Spain).

2. Mongolian Empire formable get expanded upon so it’s a tiered formable like Arabia and encompasses all former Mongolian territory.

[fresh cedar]

Danke Danke 🙏

[spare sage]

gng is dlcs going on sale in 15 mins for the winter sale

[fading walrus]

yes

[spare mesa]

Damn, the starter pack isn't discounted.

[pastel flume]

That's just a different formable if you are going from greater Mongolia to mongol empire. Doesn't make sense to have mongol empire cores while just being called greater mongolia

[hushed lion]

The worst thing the new dlc has done is ruin all of the map mods

[fading walrus]

Hence why I'm playing pure vanilla atm

[hushed lion]

Was this paradox's plan all along?

[coral drift]

Eh, checked Suggestion tab on Plaza and i didn't saw your post....

But, i'll give my two cents.

1. Good one
2. Befits more for a focus tree formable than a regular "formable nation by decision" one

[fresh cedar]

Idk they reworked the Arabia one A LOT after such a suggestion

[coral drift]

Greater Mongolia which encompass the actual nation is good enough

Sure, there is a Byzantium, Persia, and Roman Empire, but both are outliers

[coral drift]

There are actual Arabs at North Africa, and they divided up the original Arabia formable instead of expanding it.

[fresh cedar]

Japan can core Asia (So scope is not an issue). And I’m not talking about Greater Mongolia. I’m talking about The Mongol Empire

If Chile can core the Americas, Germany coring Europe, Japan coring Asia and Spain the world, then this isn’t that insane 😂

[coral drift]

Japan
Focus-only formable
Chile
Focus-only formable

I'll make time to make ASLIA a focus-only formable instead of tagging along with Nusantara

[fresh cedar]

Both countries actually get very strong buffs which make them easier to form. That and a good base core population.

The Mongol Empire would be much harder and as a result more of a challenge/worthy of existing

[coral drift]

Hence why I suggest that Mongol Empire should be a focus-only formable, not a normal one listed in "formable_nations_decisions" file

[fresh cedar]

That would just be a repeat of the Persian empire formable which is quite honestly miserable

The current Arabia formable works much better in game

[coral drift]

Again, I'm advocating for Byzantium to be focus-only. Greater Greece fits much more in the decision tab

[fresh cedar]

What difference does it make being tied to a decision V focus make?

They have the same outcome

[coral drift]

Same with Greater Italy being a normal formable, with Roman Empire locked behind Mussolini or the Popes as the ruler

[fresh cedar]

Or just have it only be accessible for certain ideologies since Mongolia doesn’t have a focus tree

Boom solved, can still be decision

Much like Democratic France with EU

[coral drift]

"Better to add than remove" philosophy is at play here since Paradox is a company

Although I can do it

in my mod

What use of it to add a temporary solution, only to be removed later down the line.

[coral drift]

^

[fresh cedar]

Why remove it at all? If ideology locked then could still work with future trees

Seems like you’re creating an issue so you can create a solution to it. When in reality there is already a clear solution

[coral drift]

So your solution is to add a Mongol Empire formable in the "Greater Mongolia" decision, which later would be moved into the focus tree

Since Mongol Empire is a focus-only formable rather than a decision-only formable

[fresh cedar]

Or you just don’t add it to the focus tree for a future Mongol empire path. Rather having focuses give buffs alongside it.

They already did this with Germany and the EU

You can add trees and have them work around pre-existing decisions. Don’t need to re-invent the wheel every time

[coral drift]

EU -> European Pan-Nationalism

Greater Italy -> Italian Nationalism

Mongol-Buryat Union -> Mongol Pan-Nationalism

Greater Greece -> Greek Nationalism

Roman Empire, Byzantium, Persia, and Mongol Empire?

[fresh cedar]

HOI4 is and always has been an alt history game that lets players make their own history and try to recreate empires from the past.

With what is already in the game, the Mongol Empire is completely reasonable to add

Have it form a Greater Mongolia then annex new sections through compliance.

Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth is a good example

[coral drift]

Yeah
It was disbanded in.... 1795

Piłsudski died in 1935

[fresh cedar]

Yet you can form it in game with compliance

[coral drift]

Acceptable

It's not an insta-core

[fresh cedar]

Which is my argument for The Mongol Empire

[coral drift]

And Greater Germanic Reich can never core Moscow

Soooo

If it's a cosmetic formable, i'll accept it

[fresh cedar]

It’s almost in the same realm as the Umayyad. Very hard to achieve formable for a country without a focus tree yet a fun goal for players

[drowsy umbra]

They should add Carthage as well tbh

[hushed lion]

It actually cores the old german borders in Poland , North Slovenia and Switzerland if controlled

Maybe also süd tyrol

[coral drift]

It's German land.

[hushed lion]

But no they cannot core Moscow also cause it's intended to be owned by Reichskommisariat moskowien

[hushed lion]

Some of them aren't actually majority german but yes

Especially in Poland

[coral drift]

A loose regional alliance of tribes in North Africa? Sure

An explicitly uni-ethnic nation? Hell no

[coral drift]

Mhm
So if Mongol Empire is just a cosmetic formable which requires you to held the historical reaches of the Empire, i'll be alright.

Maybe a few more cores on the immediate lands surrounding the Mongol-Buryat lands.

But definitely not coring Omsk, if you know what i mean

[hushed lion]

Like nationalist are sorta obsessed with larping as dead empires

[coral drift]

You'll have an easier time convincing the Corsican that they are Italian than convincing the Kuwaitis that they are Romans.

[hushed lion]

Counter argument

[fresh cedar]

He can’t contemplate empires forming or alt-history. Not worth arguing about it 😂

If the Austro-Hungarian empire existed, then literally anything is possible

[hushed lion]

True

[coral drift]

Sure, let's contemplate about the possible Turkish reaction to the Roman Caliphate emergence
(Ataturk was a resolute Republican, btw)

[coral drift]

Unique case, and it was a federalized empire.

[fresh cedar]

That’s like being “Let’s contemplate the Byzantine reaction to Ottoman’s conquering Constantinople”

If you get conquered, you really don’t have a choice

[coral drift]

And getting forcibly integrated against their will?

[fresh cedar]

Almost like what has happened thousands of times in history and what already happens in game lol

[coral drift]

Reminder that Bulgarian focus tree got changed because of this forced assimilation thingy.

[fresh cedar]

This argument legit shoots down like 90% of formables

You have to choose between what’s fun for players since it’s a VIDEOGAME. And what is possible

Which btw most formables are both

Because formables imply other lands were conquered. And any resistance is already represented in game prior to the formable either through building compliance or just occupation

This is a game meant to be fun. It’s why the Roman Empire, Umayyad, European Union, Global Anarchism, United Native American states exist

Developers have acknowledged this in countless diaries. Realism V Fun

[coral drift]

At least the devs were sound enough to change Majapahit's name into Nusantara.

It is much more realistic

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t they change what it can core too?

Used to be more pacific based but now focuses more on Southeast Asia

[coral drift]

Still the same, like what Tan Malaka intended (British Malaya + Dutch East Indies + Timor + East Papua + Philippines)

And better to keep it that way.

[fresh cedar]

Saw one in game recently where it cored Burma, Siam, Indochina, Malaysia, Phillipines, Indonesia

Might’ve been a specific Phillipines tree

[coral drift]

ASEAN? It was PHI's formable.

Tbh, should've been democratic/communist only

[fresh cedar]

Is it every ideology?

[coral drift]

Yes
Including Bourbonist Philippines

[fresh cedar]

I liked the idea of Boutbonist Phillipines but seemed cheesy how you annex people

They also updated Primo De Rivera’s picture

[coral drift]

And you can still core Southeast Asia while being Hispanic

Not realistic at all

Just choose one.

[fresh cedar]

Think it’s saying you can do that bc still the Phillipines

It’s almost like a Two Nation country in a way

A union between Phillipines and Spain. So can dip into both

[coral drift]

Philippines can pivot into its Malay roots

Or its Hispanic identity

Doing both is nonsensical and practically no one there who lived between 1880-1980 advocating for both despite they advocating for either one.

[fresh cedar]

If people advocated for either, then the opposing force would still exist even if the other was in control. And to “win” them over the ruling one could also pursue theirs

[coral drift]

Show me Jose Rizal (the OG Pan-Malay nationalist) advocating for Hispanic Empire and i'll shut my mouth

[fresh cedar]

Jose would still want Pan Malay even if Hispanic Empire was in control

Why not capitalize on it as Hispanic? Historically Spain didn’t need much of an excuse to conquer more lol

[coral drift]

Again, the one who advocated for Spanish return was Aguinaldo (the devs got it right), and once Juan was crowned, it should've been locked into Hispanic identity

[fresh cedar]

Idk man, out of every empire I think the Bourbon Spanish would be the one to try and conquer as much as possible

[coral drift]

Same with embracing Pan-Malayism as Ricarte, Quezon, or Evangelista

[thick edge]

Bro

Islamic Roman Empire

[coral drift]

What's next?
Making Indonesia able to establish a Caliphate for some reason, while also able to integrate the whole Southeast Asia?

It's fun, but Tan Malaka would hang me.

[hushed lion]

The duce is also Georgia meloni

[fresh cedar]

I’d see it more as them conquering Southeast Asia and Oceania to spread Islam tbh

[hushed lion]

That sounds cool as hell

[fresh cedar]

But didn’t paradox remove Iran’s Islamic conquest path?

[coral drift]

Memepath for sure, but you'll get Indonesian historians carrying pitchforks towards you

[fresh cedar]

I just think HOI4 should be fun first, even if some formables are implausible

[coral drift]

HOI4 is a WW2 game first and foremost

[hushed lion]

Many things that sound implausible in our timeline are perfectly reasonable in others

[fresh cedar]

Which is already represented pretty well

[fresh cedar]

This is my argument

[coral drift]

How far you would suspend your disbelief?

[fresh cedar]

Many things that actually happened historically would’ve been implausible to people before

[fresh cedar]

History is full of unbelievable conquests

[coral drift]

Sure, let's make Sukarno a caliph

Or Suharto ruling Indonesia in 1938 (he was 17 at that time)

[fading walrus]

Bourbon France should get the Two Sicily's as either a Puppet or a Core

[fresh cedar]

It’s possible. Powerful people can basically call themselves whatever they want

[fresh cedar]

I mean Puyi called himself emperor as a tiny child 😂

[fading walrus]

and all the French, Spanish Colonies too

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[fading walrus]

Pinochete was fasacist leader of Chile pre TOA despite being a teen in 1936

[coral drift]

Sure, let's apply a Chinese paradigm into Indonesia

[fading walrus]

just an unknown officer in training during WWII

[fresh cedar]

Wish Bourbon France had a similar end game formable to the Spanish Empire’s Hispanic one

[fading walrus]

that too plus Quebec and New France

[coral drift]

Glad they get rid of such ahistoricity

[fading walrus]

agreed he is only a general now

[fresh cedar]

Oh for god sakes I’m saying that many things are possible.

No one could’ve expected Macedonia to conquer as much as they did under Alexander.

[fading walrus]

or Rome during the third Samnite war

[fresh cedar]

In HOI4, you literally can take the world as basically any country

[coral drift]

You yourself prioritizes fun over plausibility

[fresh cedar]

Dude it is plausible 😂

That’s what we’re trying to tell you

Genuinely powerful people and nations can and have call themselves whatever they want

[coral drift]

Right, i'll tell Megawati Sukarnoputri that "her dad can proclaim himself a caliph in this game"

[fresh cedar]

If Indonesia became a hyper militarized theocracy then yeah it could call itself that

[coral drift]

I'll be lucky if i'm not banned forever from PDIP

[fading walrus]

Vermont world domination focus tree when?

[fresh cedar]

I mean McArthur can be the leader of the Confederacy and I’m not having a mental breakdown about plausibility

[coral drift]

There is a figure who would do that, and it was no Sukarno

[coral drift]

His family complained

[fading walrus]

with Charles Manley Smith as world leader

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-so-sad-small-violin-spongebob-gif-17423788

[fading walrus]

because Macarthur was proud of his dad fighting for the Union

IRL

Patton would have been a better fit

given how his grandfather fought and died in the CSA

[fresh cedar]

Would’ve preferred a Golden Circle fascist path over the CSA one

[coral drift]

But @fresh cedar prioritized fun over plausibility, so we ought to support that.

[fresh cedar]

You’re right, let’s just remove every ahistorical aspect of the game that people enjoy

And make it a bland and flavorless recreation of real life

[fading walrus]

Macarthur should be leader of a military dictaroship not the CSA

[coral drift]

And that's why i said "plausibility" instead of "realism"

[fading walrus]

and it should be non aligned

[coral drift]

Because i'm not a BlackIce dev

[fresh cedar]

So many of the things you attacked are plausible

[fading walrus]

and maybe have some schizo easter egg American Caesar path with America being the 4th rome

[fresh cedar]

Gonna make him have a meltdown stop 😭

[thick edge]

We can sacrifice a bit of plausibility to have fun in a game

[fading walrus]

its an easter egg path

[coral drift]

Things such as "Soeharto ruling Indonesia in 1938"?

Yeah, totally plausible according to someone here

[thick edge]

And it’s a literal game

[worthy ore]

Hell yeah

[fresh cedar]

My dude it’s a videogame legit full of ahistorical stuff like Spain coring earth, or a Bear ruling Russia

[fading walrus]

Kaiserin Victoria isn't realisitc either as the Hohenzollerns didn't allow a female to bear the throne

[worthy ore]

Let bosnia be able to reform ottoman empire

[fresh cedar]

It’s meant to be fun 😂

[coral drift]

Yeah, this.

[tribal stag]

Don’t give paradox any ideas for a Balkan dlc

[fading walrus]

Egypt already can do that in Rt56

and core Albania

[worthy ore]

Bosnia is better

[thick edge]

We already have one

[coral drift]

Anarchism? At least consistent with their ideology

Bear? Easter egg

[fresh cedar]

Like 80% of the leaders in Europe are implausible for historical. But could’ve happened in alt history

[tribal stag]

I mean another one

[worthy ore]

what

[fading walrus]

the founder of modern Egypt was Albanian

[fresh cedar]

Now you’re just moving goal posts bc many disagree with you

[fading walrus]

Ali Pasha

[thick edge]

Muhammad?

[worthy ore]

Alright

[fading walrus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

[coral drift]

Nuclear Gandhi and Nuclear MacArthur are meant to be easter eggs

And i'm not complaining about that in this entire convo

[coral drift]

At least its devs there did a proper research to explore the plausible options. Good for them

[fresh cedar]

Define plausible.

[fading walrus]

he controlled more than just that parts of Greece and Crete the Levant and Syria too

[fresh cedar]

I mean what determines leader/country plausibility for you

[fading walrus]

he probably would have killed the Ottoman Empire had the UK and France not intervened

[fresh cedar]

Because so many things in HOI4 are only implausible in Historical

[coral drift]

Tan Malaka wanting to unite the Malay World? Yup, he did wrote that

Sukarno wanting to be a caliph? Nope, he abhors monarchism

[fresh cedar]

Abd Il Ilah can become caliph despite being very western focused

[coral drift]

Can't say agree/disagree about that since i know barely about Middle East.

Probably you can ask DukeDave on Plaza.

[coral drift]

Like, just prioritize getting contents from the Interwar-WW2 era first, before delving into memes.

Indonesia can have solid contents for all four ideologies without resorting to memes. You just have to read the correct books

[drifting star]

Caliphs are not monarchs

FYI

More like a president for life system

[hollow coral]

You can be both caliph and a monarch at the same time which probably causes the confusion

The title of caliph were also often hereditary

[dusk mist]

Exactly, I feel like the meme content is just lazy

No effort at making something remotely plausible

Just insert vaguely related regime or concept from centuries ago

Add cores

Done

[coral drift]

Ehh, again, if you have nothing anymore from real history to make stuffs on, widen the time range.
1936-1948
1800-1960s
1600s-modern day
Etc.

[dusk mist]

Silk Road Empire...

[coral drift]

Even Nuclear Gandhi is more acceptable

[dusk mist]

If there really is nothing.... Then I can maybe understand the meme stuff

But surely if it is so ridiculously implausible that you have to take a kingdom from 1000 years ago, just focus the attention on the plausible stuff

[coral drift]

Well, like, if they showed Loyalist branch and beefing up the Communist branch from the start, i think the backlash would not be that big

Also the backlash itself veered into an entirely another matter that i feel bad to the devs.

[hushed lion]

That wasn't added though

[dusk mist]

I know

It was shot down because everyone could agree it was going too far

But they were going to add it, and it's no surprise given all the other "recreate x empire" they added

It's to the point that people expect any past iteration of a country, however tangentially related and long ago, to become a formable / focus path

[fresh cedar]

Turkey doesn’t really naval invade Greece anymore so it’s way harder to form Byzantium now 😔

[drifting star]

Forming the ottomans is much harder now as well

[fresh cedar]

Why’s that?

[drifting star]

Naval changes make it much more difficult to invade Greece

[fresh cedar]

Can’t just spam out a few cheap destroyers?

[hushed lion]

Monarchist Philippines is stupid strong

[rain heron]

Does anybody here have quick and easy guide/approach how to deal with this energy mechanic? How to build up a military in current game update? I previous game versions I was spamming civil factories in early game and then spamming military factories when my building speed becomes high enough, what changes in this strategy I need to make now?

[hollow lion]

Old strategy works pretty well though you might sometimes need to alter your trade or downgrade your eco law for coal discount

[drifting star]

Navel plan cap

[fresh cedar]

Wdym?

[wooden wyvern]

You can only launch two naval invasions at a time now

With starting tech

Like only two arrows that have landing spots

[fresh cedar]

How does this affect Turkey forming the ottomans though?

[wooden wyvern]

no clue

im assuming he means invading greece is hard with only two plans

[hushed lion]

Why is fascist Britain so obsessed with putting the Hispanic empire under naval blockade

Blockades must be the most annoying new feature

[fading walrus]

because historical rivalries

[fresh cedar]

Swear anytime I play Spain, the UK does everything in its power to oppose me. Be it early wargoals, joining Germany, naval invading constantly

[hushed lion]

This is the Philippines

Monarchist path

[fresh cedar]

It’s the same for any Spain ngl

[still coral]

aa

[fresh cedar]

How does this affect Turkey forming the ottomans though?

[river tiger]

how do you do a naval invasion

I lost hawaii to japan

[drifting star]

Greece takes much longer to fully annex which means by that time Yugoslavia will have increased there military size and Italy usually asks for Dalmatia due to Greece invasion 120 days after Turkey declares war

Do with no coastline to invade yugo, beefed up military on ur border the ottomans are unable to make the old starts of pushing in work

[river tiger]

how do you get naval dominance

[thick edge]

Patrol ships

[river tiger]

why wont my divisons train

[drifting star]

No units

[viral copper]

Need DLC thailand pls

[inner stump]

Does the new DLC add a Korean focus tree?

[fading walrus]

thats the next DLC

[vast shore]

No

Korea isn't even on the map

[hollow coral]

As it should be

[tough wagon]

@downnejxnw28374

[hushed lion]

The one china policy focus shouldn't bypass because it can lock you out of coring your lands

[stray torrent]

Is that a tno reference

[tough wagon]

What's tno 😭

[fresh cedar]

The New Order, a HOI4 mod

[fallow pumice]

last play mp pls

guyss

[fresh cedar]

Thought the New economic policy was going to be brutally bad now but it’s still very strong

Probably would’ve been unplayable before the energy fixes

[gloomy acorn]

Albania focus tree when?

[hollow lion]

Albania is in such a weak position itd need some insanely OP tree to be fun

[drifting star]

?

Why u @ me

[tough wagon]

Uh i dunno

[hollow coral]

they could probably do something similiar to Austria like limiting italian influence (Kicking out offers, unpeg the albanian currency)

[harsh hull]

The difference is that Austria has the political clout to reduce influence of external forces, if they focus hard enough on it

Albania cannot do the same against Italy

I'll grant you, Italy is the most middling mid-tier power to be considered a "major" nation by the game's standards

But they're still more up there than Albania

[wooden wyvern]

I mean theyre still a major

Easily the weakest and least effective

But they still are one

Only country you could argue deserves that spot more is china imo

[hollow coral]

for gameplay reasons i would do what i said which is limiting italian influence

either that or they let more italian influence and go down a fascist route

if they invade then do a philippines and if italy cant conquer you in a year or so then they give up

an alt his scenario could probably be joining the little entente

[shut plume]

Any polish people here?

[gloomy acorn]

Reform Illyria

[hollow coral]

Thats probably something more akin to croatia

I think greater albania would be the penultimate formable

[inland bloom]

or you are just bad with minor nations

[brittle venture]

wdym you have king zog

@scenic ingot albania slander

[scenic ingot]

no

wrong

albania strong

just get better

[hollow lion]

I cheated every tech on Albania once and I still didnt stand a chance against Italy

[scenic ingot]

albania is so strong it does not need a focustree to win

albania strong

[brittle venture]

you just didnt get enough out then

[inland bloom]

damn even with cheating..... 😥

[brittle venture]

no focus tree no research albania vs italy when

[scenic ingot]

done.

won

ez

albania never loses

[brittle venture]

its a challenge im giving you

[scenic ingot]

when albania capitulates it is because it shows mercy

[brittle venture]

i remember this guy hwowho had an albania disaster save and it sucked because he only made like gun 0

make it work or bad

[scenic ingot]

ive done gun0 2w only before

its one of 2 times i have capitulated as albania in mp

[brittle venture]

yeah but no research at all smh

[scenic ingot]

i showed mercy

[gloomy acorn]

I guess you can get claims on like Montenegro and Kosovo

[unborn turret]

Technically the strongest they can possibly get requires them to be a puppet.

As an Austro-Hungarian vassal they get cores on 2 more states almost doubling their population.

Plus, their Hapsburg leader gives solid buffs, which become even more solid if Austria-Hungary gets the popes blessing which provides additional stats to all Hapsburg leaders.

They also gain access to the bonuses from the joint focus tree.

[unborn turret]

I believe that is what they get cores on as an Austro-Hungarian vassal.

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather Central America/Carribean get content before Albania ngl

Though I doubt Paradox would do so many countries in one dlc. And everyone would most likely cry about the location

[hollow lion]

I wonder if Albania is viable if you cheese with paratroopers like Luxembourg can/could

[fresh cedar]

Against Italy?

[hollow lion]

Against Yug/Greece ig

[fresh cedar]

Kinda RNG but generally no

Both of those get a fair bit of divisions

And are kinda hard to capitulate

[unborn turret]

The additional possible cores you can’t get don’t really need that as you border them, and your overlord will go to war with the owner most likely anyway.

[brittle venture]

its genuinely not that bad

you dont need to cheese its just like moderately difficult

you have great terrain tho

[hollow lion]

Holding as Albania?

[brittle venture]

yeah

[hollow lion]

Hmm Im guessing you would go commie and get that spirit for free manpower?

industry though I think wont have produced all that much when Italy comes knocking

[brittle venture]

you get 400 from generic tree if mp is an issue

even if non aligned

generic tree can get gun 3 (1942) late 39 so thats always a good buff too

you also dont start with a land border

[gloomy acorn]

Go nationalist and have a anti serbian policy probably

Gets rid of man power and population but increases organization for troops

National unity stuff

Have something similar to resisting auchluss but it's against Italian annexation

[sand viper]

When hoi5

[gusty panther]

well GAR CHUCKLE HAR

ARENT YOU JUST A FUNNY GUY

HERE

LET ME GLUE ON YOUR CLOWN NOSE

AND YOUR RAINBOW WIG

AND YOUR OVERSIZED SHOES

GAR CHUCKLE HAR

[thick edge]

When hoi5

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[solid gyro]

2028 ig

[hushed lion]

There won't be

[harsh hull]

I hear they're going to release HOI4 next year though

That'll be exciting

[drifting star]

Uh oh

Guys I think I’m in trouble

[wooden wyvern]

what mod is that

[bleak flume]

Why does it look bigger then normal Russia?

[drifting star]

Staten ++

[drifting star]

Statten ++, blue marble map along with west Russian war and RK+

[wooden wyvern]

Icic

Ty

[outer whale]

Had sinkiang got "Turkestan Autonomous SSR" path, it'd be dope

[stuck zephyr]

I have a question which one teamplate to atack. (the best after the new dlc)

[brittle venture]

why doesnt fiji have any resources?

[hollow coral]

It got 2 focuses for exactly that

[outer whale]

It only can get tajikistan and

[hollow coral]

I wouldnt call it a path but its sufficient enough

[outer whale]

Krgzystan

And you have to lose the war against khotan ma

I dunno if the border wars still active while you being the puppet of the USSR

[solid moon]

"Facist-facism"

[drifting star]

I think they don’t like me

[fresh cedar]

Wish it could get all the stuff to unite the Turkic people’s

Would make it sorta unique

[buoyant heart]

aaa

[last pasture]

tno reference

[low plover]

when is the Siam focus tree coming??

[pastel flume]

Not soon

[median bronze]

what mod u on

[stable tusk]

Next year

[dire pumice]

how the hell are you supposed to win as Communist China if you play historic? after 1.17 somehow EVERY piece of land conquered, despite i literally pushed with tanks, still belonged to China. Also isn't Manchuria supposed to be PRC's?? You can't even infiltrate it
also every single warlord work with chiang kai-shek wtf
i literally have only one choice which is to join comintern
the hell is this design, it is way worse than RT56
freaking CHI has 350 divisions
I have no trade route/convoy ships to get oil to fuel my tanks too, this is ridiculous

[hollow coral]

might be a skill issue

I love playing csr

[harsh hull]

Yeah, PRC kinda relied on Soviet support to win once hostilities resumed

Granted, ROC should get a massive debuff to reflect their immense unpopularity in the immediate post-war

But needing to use the Soviets as a crutch is pretty historical

Also, PRC didn't really have full control over any provinces - the Soviets controlled Manchuria after the war, and the PRC had hundreds of smaller footholds all the way up towards Beijing

[wooden wyvern]

Chinese civil war wasnt really one with definite frontlines

[cosmic stag]

hello yalls

[zenith sigil]

I think it is better as Communist China to also wage war on China than to join the United Front and fight Japan because fighting Japan later when Japan is fighting the Allies is easier than fighting China alone

[hollow coral]

For gameplay reasons i dont think it would work

[polar jasper]

The PRC needs to have a way to get Manchuria easily since it always goes to the nationalists.

If the communists are stuck and surrounded, there isnt much they can do, even if they steal neighboring land

[twilit jolt]

prob an on action event that fires right before peace deal if Soviet Union is communist, has war with Japan but does not have war with PRC that hands the territory directly to PRC and excludes it from peace deal

additional checks for USSR controlling the states should definitely be there though or else it'd be annoying as shit

also obv PRC existing or not should be checked

[hollow lion]

I dont play without mods but I imagine the Soviet AI also just doesnt invade Manchuria on hist too often?

[polar jasper]

No, the Soviets never invade Japan in my games

Except when for some reason Communist China is kicked from the United Front

[hollow lion]

Updates that make the AI more competent seem to harm the USSR every time

[nimble torrent]

Would love to see some sort of "inter faction conference"
Where, if you're fighting a common enemy you can establish fronts/areas of interest (like the soviets begging for the allies to open a second front, or for the soviets to invade manchuria)
Or send "faction wide equipment requests" (so if the soviets ask for 10k guns, the entirety of the allies can contribute to that easily)

Far too complicated sadly, realistically not happening (also it'd be weird for the ai to handle)

[coral drift]

still no EIR by the 4th part
Bleak

[fresh cedar]

Still no west Africa formable. My year is ruined

[fresh cedar]

EIR?

Hard to keep track with the million acronyms on here

[fading walrus]

Still no updated Sheepsmod

[coral drift]

My own mod, East Indies Reworked

Guess i was too late on updating it due to lack of opportunity.

[fresh cedar]

Ah

Probably will blow up with the next DLC

[thick edge]

Read the update channel in its discord 🤯

[fallen oriole]

ahhhhhhhhhhh

[steel schooner]

I don't want to sound bad but pls bring back the czech text, pls like it was in the game back then but it is not there anymore pls add it back

[hollow coral]

like the czech localisation?

[slow quest]

Its updated

[drowsy umbra]

First part already exists with faction theatres, altough you prob mean between different factions

[steel schooner]

No like the language of the text like I am from Czehia and well as student I don't understand everything in the game like from those world news.

[hollow coral]

❓

[nimble torrent]

Yes precisely

[solid gyro]

hope they update the US as well

[fervent prairie]

I am so damn fed up with the border conflicts man.
They don't attack the states I want, nor from the tiles I want.
I can't pick the damn General used, nor the exact units. I can only effect it by what units are closest. And you can kind of effect which states you attack, but it is Extremely crude.
What causes even more frustration is that if I lose(mainly due to bullshit from the game.) I lose an extra 150 political power on top of the 100 already spent. Causing way more frustration.
It really shouldn't be this damn crude. As it just causes over all frustration for the player. How Paradox didn't realise that they should have focused on reworking this (As it is a feature that came with Waking the Tiger. The DLC FOR China and Japan.) is beyond me

[polar jasper]

Hey it could be worse. Now you at least automatically reinforce the battle when it starts

In the past, you could just have no troops enter the battle and you lose despite having 6 perfectly fine divisions sitting on the border

[fervent prairie]

Not all are guaranteed to. I had 4 divs that didn't despite being right there

[fervent prairie]

Just because it was worse in the past. Does not excuse how shit this mechanic is right now

[polar jasper]

I know, im just saying how much worse it was

[polar jasper]

It used to be able to have 0, that's what I mean

[smoky atlas]

when is this empty-looking super-expensive DLC gonna have a sale?

or gets his price changed to 10 dollars instead of 30?

[hollow lion]

Looking at previous DLC, itll take like 2 years for the first big sale

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t hope for a sale 😭

HOI5 will be released before it gets a meaningful sale

[polar jasper]

Give it a year to go 15% off

To be fair, I turned off the DLC to play a mod, forgot to turn it back on, played another mod, and noticed no differences aside from less doctrine options

[pastel flume]

Yeah tank destroyers being locked behind ncns kinda sucks but oh well

Im more upset at manchukuo's new branches are locked behind the dlc

Considering it's not even a full rework

[smoky atlas]

oh boy, guess i'll play the waiting game

[smoky atlas]

well it's already on -15% off for me with the big nations bundle (since i have all other DLCs) but it's still too expensive for what it gives (25 euros)

[nova smelt]

should i cancel the MEFO bills as Germany?

[brittle venture]

when are the pacific nations getting naval invasion tech and mil high commands?

[hollow coral]

when you mean pacific nations do you mean like micronesia

or like new zealand

[brittle venture]

palau, micronesia, melanesia, guam, hawaii

new zealand is fine

[polar jasper]

From a kaiserreich game I played, I was able to do a 4 unit naval invasion with no tech

Only 1 order

[brittle venture]

no ship tech

also manpower ig

but mp is whatever

[topaz haven]

Never

[nova smelt]

how come

[polar jasper]

You got to keep the pyramid scheme alive because if it crashes, you crash with it

[fresh cedar]

End it and rebuild economy

[nova smelt]

i usually end it

[brittle venture]

thats bad

[nova smelt]

what is bad about doing it

[fresh cedar]

I usually end it too. Mefo is insufferable

[nova smelt]

i dont know what it really even does tbh

[inland bloom]

if you are not with then you are my enemy

[polar jasper]

I only use PEG when going alt history. MEFO is fun when you get that -30% consumer goods factor when stealing French gold, and then promptly lose it when you get autarky achieved after defeating allies a few months later

[coral drift]

Huh?
In my last playthrough i'm still able to unlock TDs if i researched anti-tank weapons and put it into the tank in NSB's designer

As the cannon

[pastel flume]

Im referring to the subdoctrine

[coral drift]

Ooh
Yeah, lots of subdoctrines are NCNS-only

[coral drift]

Well, it's not that empty-looking because of subdoctrines

[topaz haven]

Buffs

[nova smelt]

does it give buffs if you keep it or cancel it

[fresh cedar]

Charles Lindbergh’s buffs are so lame. +1% fighter and tactical bomber range. Atleast make them like 10-15% and maybe cut aircraft production cost

[polar jasper]

It is sad when Hess is better than Lindbergh when it comes to plane production

Or at least was

[glacial niche]

Guys will paradox fix the navy proboem

problem*

[worthy ore]

maybe in another update that costs a gazillion dollars.

but prob

soon enough ig idk

[smoky atlas]

not empty by fact, but empty-looking because of the price

[fresh cedar]

Which navy problem

[fresh cedar]

Just wish the buffs were a little more impactful. 1% is nothing in modern HOI4 terms

[copper trellis]

what dlc i should buy

[coral pike]

i am hiped on the new dlc the peace for our time

[rocky escarp]

There's no news on it is there?

(well apart from the discord server the devs post to, never checked though)

[hollow coral]

the dlc doesnt release until the second quarter of the year

theres another dlc coming before that so that what i would be looking for updates for

[rocky escarp]

Better be April rather than June

Don't want to wait that long

[hollow lion]

The what?

[rocky escarp]

Thought I saw another reply about where people are getting their info from, will have to search further

Maybe they weren't being truthful

[glacial niche]

theres a problem where the ai spreads their navy in little task forces and as the player with a death stack you can pick of their navy and slowly wittle it down

[fresh cedar]

Oh that’s sadly a feature. They wanted supply lines via ocean to be more impactful, so broke fleets up as a means of defending them. But in reality yeah it just makes enemy fleets weak

[polar jasper]

No Step Back

[polar jasper]

To be fair, it made me split my fleets from having 3 fleets (Pacific, Atlantic, subs) into 4 or 5 (1 or 2 patrol fleets added as well)

[copper trellis]

already own it

👉👈

[polar jasper]

Arms Against Tyranny

[copper trellis]

so.. umm..

AAT
BBA
GoE and Gotterdam

[polar jasper]

La Resistance then

[copper trellis]

or gotterdam and no comprose

[polar jasper]

The only "needed" DLC you should get is LaR

Since you already have the must haves of NSB, AAT, and BBA

NCNS is way too overpriced and you should wait for a sale

I turned off the DLC and barely noticed any differences when playing mods

[copper trellis]

From the No Step Back DLC and earlier, I own all DLC

the new i dont

[polar jasper]

Then buy AAT or BBA

Preferably AAT

After NSB was BBA, then AAT

[copper trellis]

okay

[rocky escarp]

Yeah but that's because mods actually know how to use the old faction system

Basegame vanilla is still broken as hell with the faction system

[covert cargo]

How do I beat Estonia and Germany as Livonia

[rocky escarp]

I stand corrected, latest ISP video shows there are still ridiculous things happening with nations joining factions for random reasons

[pastel palm]

Does anyone think coal is now the worst thing in the game?

There needs to be a way to get more coal, playing as germany im getting screwed because i cant get any coal.

[harsh hull]

-- Every German economic minister after the start of the war

Welcome to history, my friend, Germany needed to steal what it needed, and it could never steal enough fast enough

[thick edge]

I never struggled with coal as Germany

But my save also exploded by like 42

So didn’t get to late game

[pastel flume]

i have seen anarchist spain join factions

[polar jasper]

What are you cooking?

I barely had any issues with coal in my game

To be fair, I simply traded 1 civ for 80 coal from Britain after I capped them

[wooden wyvern]

If we went by historically hitler germany would never be winnable and all france runs would be doomed to fail

[fresh cedar]

Nah, it’s easy to manage. It’s just a new system so naturally people don’t quite grasp it yet

[cosmic stag]

i hope in the next future dlc expansion they gonna add FLEET CARRIERs

[fresh cedar]

Isn’t that basically a modern carrier?

Which is in game

[polar jasper]

Modern Carriers with their angled flight decks and enormous carrying capacity:

[cold gale]

just realized if usa does get an overhaul next expansion pass, there's a chance of following:

1. adding even more states to the USA + adjusting the new england territories so they're separate rather than together, alongside more states within the mid west so it just isn't one giant blob of states, and being able to adjust it so you can get modifiers between dust bowl, or electrification from rural regions, and potentially a electoral rework where you can actually decide which states flip to gop or democrat similar to spanish civil war decisions

2. motorized and mechanized truck + possible supply rework for building railways and such to give some kinda bonuses for making railways and trucks and armored cars, even designer for some so it ain't much of "truck supply go brrrr" stuff.

if it doesn't happen it'll prolly be a north african -> east mediterranean rework

[daring cargo]

rooting for the latter

[hollow coral]

us state rework so i can make better louisiana borders

usa rework is most definitely the next major expansion though

[shy cloak]

everytime paradox updates i cry

with the amount of bug fixes i have to do

[polar jasper]

I dont think 2 is necessary in any way. I have never really struggled with supply out of areas that are supposed to have poor infrastructure. Technically there is a truck and mechanized designer as you can make light tanks with wheeled and half-tracked drives.

If there is an election rework, there better not be a political power malice so you can actually campaign. Personally, I think the US rework should incentivize you to invest in your civilian economy to get rid of the Great Depression and Dust Bowl.

Also, I think it would just be a lot more convinent if you could pick who you wanted as president and not have to deal with an election system. I think being able to pick who you want run in the elections and allow for more alt history.

I would not mind splitting some of the larger states, but dont forget that New England is not the only place that has merged states. Maryland consists both of DC and Delaware (but does DC really need to be split from Maryland?).

[cold gale]

good points (dc doesnt need to be split from maryland, though delaware and maryland yes)

[keen totem]

i def think it is

especially now that man the guns is free

kind of a pattern like they made waking the tiger free then an east asia dlc was then announced

we can only hope

[hollow coral]

pretty obvious to me

definitely usa

[keen totem]

yeah

i have a good feeling the UK will be apart of it as well but we'll see

[fresh cedar]

Honestly doubt they’ll do a supply rework. Tbh supply works pretty well currently

But it would be awesome to see a USA rework and finish off the rest of the Americas

[fresh cedar]

Probably just the allies in general

[keen totem]

it'd be nice though i feel like if countries like say colombia or cuba got content people would complain

[fresh cedar]

They’ve also said they wanted to add more Cold War content so maybe NATO/Warsaw pact stuff later

[keen totem]

they said this a while ago in a dev corner i think

[fresh cedar]

People complain about anything so might as well add it

[keen totem]

yeah fair

[fresh cedar]

They did

[keen totem]

i really hope so

the US especially needs it

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s feels pretty weak currently

Every industry including japans outpaces it

[keen totem]

the alt history branches as well

just not that appealing

[fresh cedar]

Communist is a super nothing burger. And the confederacy one is kinda cool just feels very very shallow plus Lindbergh has TRASH stats

Would atleast like to see the US core North America idk

[keen totem]

yeah but regardless almost always the AI even just goes down the FDR path

america should definitely have more options for presidential candidates

[fresh cedar]

Had a game recently they did CSA and took North America. They were actually kinda hard to fight and impacted more

[keen totem]

canada at the very least

[fresh cedar]

Tbh USA factory cap should be around 1000-1400, not 500-700

[keen totem]

no reason why the US should have that small a factory count

[fresh cedar]

Or like no factory buffs to compensate

[keen totem]

exactly

[fresh cedar]

It’s just dated I think most people agree on that

[keen totem]

yeah definitely

man the guns came out like nearly 6 years ago

[fresh cedar]

Crazy

[keen totem]

seeing afghanistan have a bigger focus tree then america will never not be funny to me

[fresh cedar]

Yet it never does anything bc perma civil war lol

[keen totem]

ive seen its civil war last all the way until 1952 without end and without interference 💔

[fresh cedar]

I’m just curious how the Czech dlc will be

[keen totem]

i have high hopes for it ngl

[hushed lion]

Historically accurate

[thick edge]

Czech AI can fully 1v1 Germany

[rocky escarp]

It's still dumb to see AI do all sorts of focuses before the industrial branch

Why do PDX handicap Czecho-Slovakia on historical

OTOH means amount of factories Germany gets from annexing is limited

[brittle venture]

sheep mod better

[rocky escarp]

I wanted to see if Sheep's Mod makes it so Allies actually succeed against Germany if defending Czecho-Slovakia

[brittle venture]

yeah

[coral drift]

Are Paradox is still on holiday?

[coral drift]

Ah, figures, @pseudo wing

[safe plover]

dead mod though

[thick edge]

Nuh

[fresh cedar]

They’re Swedish, they get like half the year off

Japanese economy very balanced

[pastel flume]

-80% 🥀 😭

[wooden wyvern]

seems like it needs a buff

-5% mill construction kinda neuters it

[fresh cedar]

Believe it or not, it can go lower

-40% was from focuses. The rest is from a constant ticking one that does -2.5% each time

[frosty oak]

I’m sad, I was hoping paradox would be back by now so they can fix the crashes

I just wanna play hoi

[fresh cedar]

They really gotta fix communist China too lol

[frosty oak]

What is up with the communist Chinese?

[fresh cedar]

The AI is kinda broken, especially if you play another Chinese country

They can just somehow take anything, even without guerilla cells

[frosty oak]

Oooh, I didn’t know cause one of the 2 countries I’ve played recently was them lol

[pastel flume]

sigh

[fresh cedar]

?

[pastel flume]

unused egyptian idea icons

[fresh cedar]

Oooh

[frosty oak]

Someday

[fresh cedar]

Reminds me of the Sokoto caliphate

Where things were in the scope of a dlc until they weren’t

[fresh cedar]

Egypt not existing in general is sad

[pastel flume]

the code that releases it is hashed out

[fresh cedar]

Oh ik it’s a releaseable and has unique leader names, parties etc

I mean it should’ve atleast been a unique country like Jordan is currently

[pastel flume]

theres code for it be a starting nation as a dominion

[fresh cedar]

Heck I’d even buy a singular Egypt dlc like the Czech one

[fresh cedar]

Ah

[pastel flume]

my guess is if its released the ai ignores the african front

[fresh cedar]

From my experience recently, nations sometimes fight harder in allied land than their own

Especially with axis

Like late game German land will have 6 units per tile but like 30 per tile in allied areas

Idk, feel like it could work today

[keen totem]

maybe one day..

[keen totem]

egypt has so much potential

[fresh cedar]

Legit does

[keen totem]

i could see a viable monarchist and democratic path

maybe a democratic path under someone like Mohamed Naguib

[fresh cedar]

First un-nuke able landmark too 😮‍💨

[keen totem]

he doesn't have a unique portrait in the game i don't think but his name always appears as the leader of democratic egypt if it's released

[fresh cedar]

Would most involve North Africa/arab conquest. Or would any be African conquest too, like sub Saharan

[keen totem]

i would say egypt should be able to peacefully request land such as sudan if it were to get a focus tree

maybe even the levant

[fresh cedar]

As the dominion path yeah

[keen totem]

i could see both the monarchist and democratic paths as being able to peacefully secure independence

[fresh cedar]

Independence yeah

[keen totem]

i think a fascist egypt path should be more aligned with italy rather then germany maybe

it just personally makes more sense to me

[fresh cedar]

I agree

[keen totem]

then again i dont know much about egypt's politics in the interwar and such

[keen totem]

but i feel it'd be a nice break rather then the usual fascist trees of the game where it's just allying to germany

[fresh cedar]

Thematically makes sense to align Italy

[fresh cedar]

Fascist options of German, Italian, or Arab council

[keen totem]

this would be good

unrelated sort of but i find it really weird how democratic turkey can request britain's arabic holdings but iraq cant

that seems really stupid to me honestly

[fresh cedar]

Like if Egypt and Iraq can do something like Scandinavia’s Northern Defense Union

[keen totem]

well iraq can request most of it but they cant ever request oman, yemen, or the UAE

[fresh cedar]

Yeah idek why Turkey can take so much

[keen totem]

they should make tunisia and morocco starting nations as well

[fresh cedar]

Pretty sure they can’t get Lebanon either

[keen totem]

correct

which really blows personally

[fresh cedar]

So random too, why just Syria???

[keen totem]

i sort of get it's a war game right and you wanna fight a war over something at some point but no reason why democratic/british-aligned iraq should have to pry something like tiny lebanon out of their hands

[fresh cedar]

Or how it gets stomped by the UK anyways

[keen totem]

pretty much

[fresh cedar]

I actually really like Iraq though

[keen totem]

might be a hot take amongst some players but i would like to eventually see some form of expansion on the rest of the middle eastern countries that have yet to get any content

[fresh cedar]

Think it was the best made of the GOE nations

[keen totem]

yeah me too

i think aside from india maybe it's the best of the GOE dlc

[fresh cedar]

Yeah same

[keen totem]

saudi arabia, mandatory palestine, egypt and syria could maybe be a plausible mash-up of nations for an expansion

[fresh cedar]

India is worse imo bc famine, infinite rebellions, and that initial manpower mallice

[keen totem]

oman i could see maybe getting something as well

[keen totem]

fair

the manpower mallice is really annoying to get rid of

at least personal opinion

[fresh cedar]

It’s just a grind and it’s annoying

[fresh cedar]

That would be nice

Though no way they’re touching Palestine 😭

[keen totem]

i see what you mean 😭

but still there's a lot of plausible and even some inplausible stuff you could realistically add to it

though i would understand why they wouldn't want to touch it

lol

[fresh cedar]

They’re avoiding controversy like the plague after the Silk Road thing

I’m just sad it also ate the Iranian Muslim conquest

[keen totem]

also something i find interesting is in RT56 there's some territorital dispute that saudi arabia has with the UK that's resolved with a focus

[keen totem]

forgot what this was intended to be it's been so long since GOE

at least it feels that way

[fresh cedar]

Like just transfers territory?

[keen totem]

yeah

still find it interesting

so many countries that still have yet to be touched by paradox

i'd get it they wanna focus on updating countries like maybe the UK and US over something like saudi arabia but it'd be nice if one day they came back to it

[fresh cedar]

Idek where I’d want most. Probably what we just talked about though. I imagine carribean will be alongside a US dlc

[fresh cedar]

Still could be part of an expansion pass

[keen totem]

i feel like a potential next "expansion pass" that they'd do would be something like US + UK + Canada

then maybe they'll either throw something in like ireland or mexico rework

then maybe they'd give the rest of south america content, like peru, colombia, venezuela and such

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess USA, France, UK

[keen totem]

makes sense for the most part but i really wonder if they'd give france a rework if LR still isnt integrated into the base game

[fresh cedar]

Trueee

[keen totem]

but i would really like a france rework

the napoleonic path feels so bare

[hollow coral]

Are we forgetting the great lebanon🗣️

[keen totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287143467276832869/1458269001254965248/caption.gif

[wooden wyvern]

nah they would milk the majors

honestly even usa and uk together seems a bit of a stretch to me

[keen totem]

fair enough but i feel like in this scenario it'd make sense

• they've been put together in man the guns before

so maybe they'd do it again

who knows

[hollow coral]

player satisfaction < money

[keen totem]

truthnuke

[hollow coral]

I just hope a uk rework reworks the whole commonwealth

[keen totem]

i could also see this

but since they're already doing australia seperately and they've done india idrk

only canada, south africa, and the UK is left

and new zealand

but i feel like they're just gonna never touch it again

[hollow coral]

if they can profit from it they would probably do it

[keen totem]

i hope new zealand keeps its 6 research slots if it ever gets reworked

[hollow coral]

I hope new zealand gets a schizo maori path

Im normally against schizo paths but ill allow it for new zealand

[keen totem]

it would be funny

[fossil bone]

astralia dlc when? 🦘

[hollow coral]

its the next one

[fossil bone]

but when?

[coral drift]

They were?

[hollow coral]

second quarter of the year

[coral drift]

(about Sokoto i mean)

[hollow coral]

no clue

[fresh cedar]

I believe the Congo was originally going to have more content relating to releasables

[hollow coral]

yeah it seems weird that they added a bunch of african kingdoms

[fossil bone]

HOI IV The African Royals

[pastel flume]

I believe Brazil also had that case, theres files for sao paulo, cabinda, rio grandese republic flags, and the national spirit for seperatist sentiments mentions about the possibility of the fragmentation of brazil.

[fresh cedar]

Darn shame it wasn’t added but I get why

[keen totem]

i've always wondered about this

the separatist sentiments spirit always just gave a war support and stability debuff i was wondering why brazil had no releaseables or anything

[pastel flume]

it gets removed so quickly aswell

[keen totem]

it would've made brazil feel a bit more interesting if they've done more with it

[pastel flume]

they ran out of time to rush the dlc maybe

[keen totem]

probably

a shame but i still personally liked ToA

[unborn turret]

What would the best strategy for fascist Argentina be? Smaller amounts of quality units like tanks, or spamming out infantry, with some special forces and tanks sprinkled in?

[wooden wyvern]

theyve done focus trees and their monetization very differently after nsb

[trim egret]

Anyone have a good Japan template and military strategy

For historical

[rocky escarp]

Now that's a thinker https://redd.it/1q6emxb

At least the althist focus tree by sheer 'chance' gives the war goal to the Soviet Union so the previous content wasn't entirely broken by NCNS

Though bets on what wargoals will be added in Peace for our Time's communist path?

[pastel flume]

Yeah some old things break with new dlcs

Like ever since goe, the polish decisions to purchase colonies have been broken when you try to purchase palestine

[fresh cedar]

NCNS was basically a risky text paradox sent before ghosting

[harsh hull]

High expectations up to release - ✅
Buggy initial release - ✅
Content patches that only fix the most glaring issues - ✅
Reliance on expansive modding community to fix the rest - ✅

Welcome back, Bethesda

It really does just work, doesn't it

[small vessel]

1 Division army ahh

[rocky escarp]

Unlike Todd Howard, I think I saw Arheo has been on record saying something along the lines of "sometimes we f- up"

Although GoE context is a different beast from NCNS

[gritty atlas]

That dlc destroyed the netcode, at this day playing as the axis is imposible

[coral drift]

Finally EIR made it in alongside Under the Blue Sky

[brittle venture]

joining the comintern isnt even part of the czech communist tree

this is literally just someone not knowing about faction rules and complaining

[rocky escarp]

What are you talking about?

[brittle venture]

the faction rule exists so you cant just call the worlds strongest starting army into wars

[brittle venture]

they cannot declare war because its a comintern faction rule

the wargoals work fine

[rocky escarp]

The message I replied to

What do you actually mean by that

[rocky escarp]

The Polish and Romanian ones yes, which I pointed out myself

But obviously if you want to attack Hungary instead of waiting for them to become a threat then tough luck I suppose

[brittle venture]

i saw people complaining about something that isnt even broken

thats why i responded

[rocky escarp]

Yeah you responded by claiming quote "joining the comintern isnt even part of the czech communist tree"

[brittle venture]

im like 99% sure

because ive played the path several times

[rocky escarp]

You took the 1% gamble and lost

I've played a game where I joined Comintern with the focus without flipping the government

[brittle venture]

isnt it optional or something dumb

[rocky escarp]

It might not be a prerequisite for any of the other focuses, though don't quote me on that

To be fair though, if you read the title it's clear that there is a significant UI/UX design challenge in getting people to understand what the tooltip 'is considered a major country' is on the declare war button

If you had the context has X faction rule AND 'is considered a major country' then it wouldn't be unclear

[coral drift]

I've seen the actual screenshot. Methinks the devs needs to add an additional tooltip for the exact cause (you're a subject, you're getting restricted by a faction rule, etc)

[brittle venture]

thats good feedback instead of just calling the game buggy :p

[coral drift]

Well, four years of modding helped to view the problem from both perspectives

[pastel flume]

Not even germany or Japan can get 6 research slots anymore dude

[keen totem]

because new zealand is clearly the far stronger nation 🇳🇿🇳🇿🗣️🗣️