latest-updates

[lost torrent]

ah I see

[stable tusk]

Like with today's patch

[lost torrent]

didnt know there was a patch today

[fresh cedar]

So before the changes, South America would’ve been unplayable. But using the new buildings, techs and with coal changes I was able to make it work

Going to see if the same goes for the middleast.

Still think oil should be able to offset coal costs.

Bc realistically United Arabia wouldn’t be using oil for much else other than tanks and economy

[hoary siren]

Coal is kinda irrelevant now ngl

[wraith creek]

Does anyone know if it is possible to revert to the previous patch? Normally it is possible, but I can't find it.

It breaks savegames

[rotund cargo]

It should not break savegames.

Were you playing with mods?

Or pure vanilla?

[wraith creek]

pure vanilla achievement run

[rotund cargo]

By breaking save game, what happened exactly in this case? Crash on loading the save file?

[wraith creek]

Maybe there is another problem. It is a cloud save, but it looks like it broke in another way, looking at the date, I just read the text first. I played this game yesterday.

[rotund cargo]

Ooof. :/

[brittle venture]

you cant play that save anyway

if you look at the date it is 100% corrupted

[wraith creek]

Yeah I just noticed

[brittle venture]

but there has been an issue of savegames crashing (usually late game) and lagging heavily zwirbaum

i dont have like evidence on hand but its messed one of my saves up

[rotund cargo]

Thanks for letting me know, I will poke tomorrow about it, and see if we can find out what could be causing that

[swift mortar]

One of my friends can’t play for more than 2 months without crash

And they have a much better pc than me

[wraith creek]

Guess I'm never using cloud saves ever again. Those 3 games are the first time I ever did so. 99.99% of others have been local, with rarely any issues.

[short tree]

anyone know why this is happening? my internet is fine

[wraith creek]

Spoke too soon! I just moved the save from the cloud to local and now it works!

Time to spend 2 in-game years just laughing at Japan for failing to invade my shores until the achievement pops 😄

[jolly wasp]

'The shared tree used by Manchukuo and the post-warlord trees now has the option to ask for handover of the treaty port coastal cities.' No more needing to invade britain for hong kong!

[polar jasper]

They will say no, so you will invade Britain anyways

[covert cargo]

Alf Landon or Roosevelt Im still doing democracy path do

dw

[covert cargo]

Is China even fun?

[fresh cedar]

Yes, it can be

Just challenging at times

Just played Italy, and if you use the new buildings smartly and research techs, coal is not an issue

[covert cargo]

Anyone?

[wraith creek]

It was fun, until 1945 when I declared war on the soviets to get the Mongolia achievement. I have to do it alone because the Allies kicked me for causing too much world tension, even though the only time I ever caused world tension basically was when I declared war on Vichy France (Axis) to join the Allies! (Only to find out I couldn’t join the allies if I was in an offensive war, but I joined it via focus instead.)

[haughty tapir]

the RNG factor of whether Hispanic nations will join you as non-aligned Philippines is pretty lame; basically a restart angle if you don't get lucky.

[crisp fiber]

anyone else getting consistent crashes the second they try to use their navy

playing as communist germany and trying to destroy the british navy but the second I put a fleet on patrol or convoy raiding the game just crashes

just realised this is the wrong channel but oh well

[hollow coral]

Well you cant have every country just joining you and being instantly snnexed

And getting cored instantly

Of course that is overpowered

So of course its rng

[hollow lion]

Its influenced by opinion, other than that nothing you have influence on

Unless you get extremely unlucky RNG, even if the 2 most powerful nations say no, you should get strong enough to conquer them by annexing smaller ones

Oh and sending volunteers to a Spanish civil war side will make that side more likely to accept

[hollow coral]

nah they just want every country to be handed to them on a silver platter

[verbal kindle]

are spearheads still broken

[median bronze]

hello beautiful

we got energy grids?

wadafek

[quasi harbor]

The complexity of a 4 yo tho

Get coal, you are power

[hushed lion]

Since when have they been broken?

[median bronze]

is this uhh here before the patch or am I dumb?

"First four Machine Tools technologies now additionally provide +20% Equipment Conversion Speed." uhh its not listed? bug?

[vast shore]

China is always fun

[rotund cargo]

I see you are using mods, and I have no clue whether some of the mods you are using overwrite our tech files

[median bronze]

yeah gonna double check

[brittle venture]

its a mod issue

ive had it too

[median bronze]

expert AI probs 💔

[rotund cargo]

That would make sense, as they likely adjust ai weights for the research purposes

[median bronze]

yup was expert AI

Wonder if we will ever see a research slot rework to have research slots split between branches and then 1 generic research slot for anything, and can get more with focuses

idk how my lockhead martain scientists can produce me some navy tech 👅

[median bronze]

Have any countries had their trees edited to add the new energy buildings into it? I also noticed literally no NCNS updated countries had any naval headquarters/supply hubs in their focuses, even in 1.17.2

[rotund cargo]

Japan has NF that adds Naval Supply Hub, and I think Naval HQs are added in Philippines and Chinese Soviet Republic Focus Trees

From what I recall

So that 'literally' is 'literally' a bit misleading 😛

[median bronze]

I mean like the countries that have them are the NCNS countries

like the UK doesn't get 1 naval supply hub/navy headquarters in its focus? same for germany

just kind of odd tbh, i expected at least some of the other countries and majors not in the DLC to have them

I also can't seem to find any that produce one of the new energy constructables into any focuses either

after GTM had all the majors etc have facilities spawn from focuses, kinda expected it in the new DLC and the new patch at least 😔

also just realise I gotta edit the PT boats now as surface visibility has changed 💔

especially with japan we got all them industry focuses, would be nice to see some energy grids added to it as part of the early industrialisation

[manic flint]

Black Ice has those changes if you want to take a look

[median bronze]

nah i like not having a migraine

black ice i am not a fan of

cool mod tho

[manic flint]

:(

[brittle venture]

are there any plans to rework old focus tree doctrine bonuses to give mastery instead?

also keybind update 🙏 i pray

[rotund cargo]

There may not be spawned things from the foci, but majors do often start with some of them pre-placed, like SIngapore contains Supply Hub and Naval HQs, etc.

[median bronze]

Yeah, its nice that they're already there but would appreciate it added for some countries with navy trees like the soviet union, turkey, uk etc 🙂

and with the new energy buildings I haven't seen anything pre placed? or in the focus tree?

[rotund cargo]

Soviet Union starts with Sevastopol and Vladivostok having the Naval HQ and Supply Hub respectively. So it is there as well, at the start.

[median bronze]

kinda hoped for one in leningrad tbh, or at least in the focuses when the DLC released

but what about for the new energy factories

[rotund cargo]

We are not going to add or pre-place them anywhere now, in the future maybe, but we will see then

[haughty tapir]

No. In my game I spent hundreds of political power improving relations with the 5-6 most powerful Latin American nations and every single one said no.

[dense gale]

because opinion often barely affects ur chances

[median bronze]

makes sense for some parts of USA to, germany even, the KDF factory focus would make sense

[dense gale]

u can have plus 100 and only have like a 10% increase odds

it all depends how much the devs make opinion affect the rolls

[median bronze]

Would also recommend more masteries rather then just 5 per tbh, seems short

too many buffs given at once

[turbid stream]

Wait... paradox didn't update?

[rich light]

The new doctrine mastery is easy to cheese anyway with attaches

Especially with either China or Japan giving you blistering mastery to inf and operation subdoctrines and some arty

[brittle venture]

i mean the bonuses are still relevant to unlocking initial doctrines

[fresh cedar]

What’s your opinion on the patch now, have you played it?

While resources are lower I’ve been able to normalize energy and target resources I needed.

Think the resource nerf could’ve been maybe 2.5% per infra level instead of 5% though

Africa and the Middleast struggle so bad

[turbid stream]

Wdym infra nerf?

Lower infra gives negative resource now?

It used to just improve the base...

Does is make the base worse now?

[fresh cedar]

Infrastructure used to raise resources by 20% per level so reaching a max of 100%. Now it is 15% per level, so you get to 75% of the resources you could get to before the patch. This is because the nerf building which adds an extra 50% of resources per state you build in.

So technically can have more resources now, but requires you to build

[turbid stream]

Oh.... well.. bruh

[fresh cedar]

?

[turbid stream]

Dumb to do for paradox

[fresh cedar]

This change seems counter-intuitive since everyone was complaining there’s not enough coal. And they effectively lower the amount of coal 😂

[turbid stream]

Personally it was fine before

[turbid stream]

Exactly my point

[fresh cedar]

Idk why they didn’t just keep it the same AND add the new building

Like if we can get 12.5-25% extra resources now. Why not make the building give 25% rather than nerf infra resource

[mortal pike]

XD nice patch

[rocky escarp]

Boycott NCNS price is lame
Boycott over DLC-locked features is better

Anyway...

I guess it's 'good' that they addressed feedback that a flat coal increase is not the best for the industrial concern

But then does the coal resource gain efficiency make it too useful vs Electronic

Or is people's concern that Electronic for research purposes is better remain regardless

[wise oxide]

poor romania

[hushed lion]

I still don't get the coal hate at all

[rich light]

Average soviet comecon puppet

[thick edge]

0 factories is insane

[wise oxide]

its like 1948 too

[median bronze]

Yeah boycott NCNS!!!!

(im going to secretly go play NCNS)

[rocky escarp]

Yeah that's mostly why cheering on any boycotts is equally as lame

[wise oxide]

coal is useless look construction debuff is only -60

i hate how coal is just a tiny debuff now

why would i waste 1trillion factories to import coal if the debuff is so samall

[rocky escarp]

So with those debuffs what number of fully powered factories would provide the same IC-

[rocky escarp]

Wha

[wise oxide]

this is the cost of removing tiny debuffs

[fresh cedar]

Oil she be able to offset coal. 🤷‍♂️

[rocky escarp]

Coal should be able to offset fuel

I have done the calculations for this

(this is apparently a medium tank model replacement as per https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/prototype-units-pack-the-skoda-sk-13-misplaced-or-shoehorned)

[devout valley]

How does this happen

[median bronze]

Theres also a post about it added here on the forums: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ai-minors-building-multiple-energy-grids-early-game-no-focuses-for-new-buildings-speed-buffs.1885667/

[rocky escarp]

Funny, I thought this was going to be a nerf to the world resource economy since somebody didn't believe that PDX would allow the AI to think about constructing High Capacity Electrical Grids

[median bronze]

yeah if u could leave a comment or like it would be appreciated so they can see

like it makes sens to have them built by AI minors but not this early/at least have some focuses/construction buffs to them in focuses yk?

like czechoslovakia built it in the sudetenland for me as germany in 37

like thank u my beloved annex build cze

[rocky escarp]

Czecho-Slovakia doss funny things like build fuel siloes apparently

I know its historical AI is very incompetent at industrial buildup and prioritises focuses like army/air research bonuses rather than the industrial branch that all human players probably start with ASAP

I appreciate it has to spend two focuses so Romania's guarantee is removed through Trust in the West but you can still go through Sudetenland forts in time while having expanded industry before

Though idk if historical AI should go Czech industry or balanced industry

[brittle venture]

theyre getting updated soon

[rocky escarp]

Q2 2026 is seriously not soon enough

And also doesn't change how bad it will still be in the basegame without Peace for our Time

[vast shore]

I stand correct

as always

I knew the hoi4 community would b-tch till they make coal useless

[brittle venture]

dont bypass the filter, please.

[median bronze]

well they at least updated energy

u can read it here tho https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ai-minors-building-multiple-energy-grids-early-game-no-focuses-for-new-buildings-speed-buffs.1885667/#post-30967240

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-like-subscribe-bell-hello-neighbour-hello-neighbor-2-hello-neighbour-2-gif-2484330488843852459

[wise oxide]

collab goverment + comecon and warsawpact industry to overlord modifiers i believe ussr steals 150% of romanias industry so theu even steal the factories that dont exist malaysia sometimes has negative factories something to do with trade and integrated puppet

[wise oxide]

so sad tbh

[vast shore]

genuinely

[wise oxide]

another useless feature

[brittle venture]

it caps at 100% unlike occupation

[wise oxide]

fixed?

[brittle venture]

you cant get more than 100% of factories from puppets

[wise oxide]

occupation should also be fixed

[brittle venture]

you can get more by occupying

meh its fine

usually you drain compliance so you dont keep that much forever

[wise oxide]

its ridicilous and cheesy

[brittle venture]

liberated workers is goated tho

[brittle venture]

100% compliance = 100% of factories

something like harsh quotas is +25% factories but drains compliance to below 75%

so you dont keep that much forever

[crisp fiber]

why do you need so many guns

[rigid aurora]

Hello fellow resource modder XD

[fresh cedar]

Can’t it basically stop your industry?

[wise oxide]

maybe before but not anymore

[devout valley]

It only makes it so that your industy gets no buffs

[alpine wagon]

any mods that add better portraits for the new warlords in china?

[brittle venture]

youre using research all

normally youd have less buffs

[rocky escarp]

Yeah I just noticed there's for some reason Concentrated + Dispersed

[brittle venture]

cheating wrong moment

shouldve used roic

[rocky escarp]

It's certainly a take that the industry techs are buffs rather than changing the expected baseline of a factory

[wise oxide]

ig thats fair but the construction caps at 30 or 60 dont remember

[brittle venture]

the main issue is it not being able to adapt to other buffs (taking value from base factory output instead of a % modifier) and it not being an issue like ever

imo

[wise oxide]

true

the ic nerf is a tiny 0.99

[kind folio]

did ncns add any white peace between usa and japan if you take all the island or smth?

[fresh cedar]

Last time I had low coal it lowers my factory output by like 90%

[devout valley]

This is pre update I think, but not sure, now is different

[fresh cedar]

I’ll have to test this

[eternal hinge]

So who pays for coal on traded factories? Buyer or seller?

[hollow coral]

Well you buy coal with factories

[eternal hinge]

No I mean before the patch both parties paid for operating the factory

thought they fixed it

just not sure who pays for operating it

the person trading the civilian factory for resources or the person receiving it

[mental onyx]

Do you think they'll release the final patch of the year this week?

[hard smelt]

can we have this driving fortress in hoi4 ❤️

[wooden girder]

pov: pope italy super heavy tanks

[hard smelt]

XD

[hushed lion]

Essentially just the landcruiser

Which is already in game

[hard smelt]

no i want a moving city

[hushed lion]

We already have randomly shifting victory points

[unreal geyser]

whats this new thing around people's pfp

which i also have

[hard smelt]

it sure is cute

[unreal geyser]

i hope its permanent

prob not

[hushed lion]

It isn't you can remove it in profile settings

[unreal geyser]

i like it

[hard smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/815614826893148230/1446580329081999580/Blanchehappy.gif

[unreal geyser]

but when will it dissapear then?

[hushed lion]

Nvm I misread it

Yes it's yours forever

[unreal geyser]

oooh

thats cool

is there like a ranking of which "banners" (not sure what to call them) are the most rare?

wait i just checked it goes away on the 15th of january

[hushed lion]

Well thats stupid

Why even bother giving them

[hard smelt]

indeed

[livid moon]

Hi, can anyone tell me how is this helpful ? 🙂 Note that I do have a rocket site with an icbm equipped

[vast shore]

btw, I know its been long since Commando Marine's have been added but these buffs dont apply to commando marines, is this intentional?

[scarlet elm]

d\

[obsidian pecan]

why is supply so accursed in this game

my soldiers with railyway connections to a supply hub 4 metres away while sitting on a naval base are in a cirtical shortage

but the enemy can plonk 40 divisions on a desert tile with no railways and its chill

like

when i held el arish i had no supply

but the ai doesnt give a damn when theyre pushing in the oppposite direction?

[languid imp]

AI uses less supply, and your supply range depends if you select the horses or many trucks icon in the army panel. Railways are only to connect supplies or move troops faster, they don't give supplies to nearby troops

[fresh cedar]

Your enemy is out of supply though?

[obsidian pecan]

thats the retreating army

they are always out of supply

if they get forced back

[brittle venture]

@pseudo wing loc inconsistency pls fix or i will cry

[pseudo wing]

what seems to be the issue specifically

I do not know the language well enough to understand the difference

[hushed lion]

First image has ma clique as the ruling party meanwhile the second has camarilha de ma

I think

[pseudo wing]

Well I understood that part, I am just not sure if its supposed to be one or the other

as in, is it supposed to be ma clique or the other one, depending on the language

because some Language LOC's leave it as Ma Clique even in another language

[brittle venture]

all ma cliques are camarilha de ma besides qinghai ma (old tag)

[pseudo wing]

will refer internally, then

[pseudo wing]

which language is it specifically, spanish or portugese

(I get the two mixed up often, apologies)

[brittle venture]

portuguese

[brittle venture]

never forgiving you /j

[pseudo wing]

to be fair, I remember things in french as an english person, and I learned both italian and portugese for a time

my brain is a mess of languages, especially now that I am learning mandarin

lmao

[clear tundra]

The new navy stuff is wonky still. My fleet just when past a battle it should have joined to its port and then tried to come back to the battle. They need to add direct commands so you can directly tell your strike force what battle you want it to join.

[brittle venture]

coontrol right click

[clear tundra]

The sea znone?

[drifting star]

Any chance of new puppets for Siberia ?

[brittle venture]

the naval tile

[floral geyser]

Omg, No more [disabling the strike force command and sending the fleet there manually]! So much more quality of life!

[cunning sable]

Did this new patch break anyone else’s game?

Doesn’t show any divisions and almost removed everything I have

Wasn’t a republic before either

[hushed lion]

It's unsurprising that it broke something because it brought a lot of changes

[cunning sable]

I’m so confused it just booted me out mid game then when it finished updating I came back to everything bricked, every time I unpause it boots me out also

[vast shore]

ah yes

[dire coyote]

it wouldve been funnier if it was communist icon

"democratic" peoples republic of korea

[dull silo]

I still waiting Mongolian focus tree

[drifting star]

It will never happen

[hollow coral]

not impossible

Since they left out mengjiang i wonder if they will do a mongolian dlc

[thick edge]

I am not paying for a Mongolian dlc

I like paradox and all, but I ain’t buying that

[quasi harbor]

You like paradox?

[languid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-toad-frog-mesmerized-gif-3938170

all glory to paradox

[thick edge]

They took my first born

I must

They also own like 51% of my soul

[worthy ore]

mine is shared by

Gaijin and Paradox

I'm not going to have a future 🥀 💔

[thick edge]

I nationalized the gaijin part of my soul

It’s mine again

[worthy ore]

War Thunder

Is peak but shit

I swear

Whenever I uninstall

I get the most beatifull peak cinematic

This universe can make

And it calls me

I can not let go

[thick edge]

Real

U get withdrawal symptoms from not playing it

[worthy ore]

Yeah

[thick edge]

But also get abused while playing it

[worthy ore]

I swear

One second

I'm soloing 3 dudes

the other I'm getting killed by AIM9s

No flares in my mig19

At this point Imma become maverick su 57 pilot

[thick edge]

I love playing the Soviets

But the reload times

Are horrible

[worthy ore]

Yeah

[thick edge]

Same for gun depression

[brittle venture]

didnt know hoi4 had those

[dense apex]

In ahistorical games, why does Britain attack the Netherlands ?

is it a focus?

[brittle venture]

yeah

intervention branch

[dense apex]

Also, why is Belgium overpowered now?

[quasi harbor]

Götterdämmerung

They went from having less than 10 divs to having like 40

[fresh cedar]

To play as or to fight?

[dense apex]

fight

[fresh cedar]

Green air go brrr

[crimson tartan]

ok so
what's the point of faction theaters

except "boost your commanders" or something

[dense apex]

Libtart Europe baby

[tawdry condor]

when would you directly annex territory instead of puppetting

(if no cores)

[vast shore]

Finish the job

[dense apex]

Fighting the allies, which contains United States

[vast shore]

Drang nach Osten

[dense apex]

No, they’re democratic US and allies did

I was pretty late to the game

Plus, world tension is very low

[vast shore]

lame

Finish the job

Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals

[dense apex]

Can’t world tension

After finishing the big World War II analog or war tension is all but

I only have one more goal and it would set me to fight the British

My political tree is over

[rich holly]

This ain't millenium dawn, what mod is it

[dense apex]

This is vanilla

I’m using the FPS map mod

[rich holly]

Ah

Kk

[fresh cedar]

Man, Arabia is way harder now because coal. Honestly, there should be a new law in-game that lets you choose between coal, mix or oil for your industry.

Or just flat out have oil contribute towards energy

[stable tusk]

TWR reference

[rich light]

New Japan meta then

[brittle venture]

thats meta anyway if you get it

only way to get enough fuel for everything

[rich light]

When north sakkalin is the key to rule the world

Never said before

[floral geyser]

How is the navy AI by now?
I have an upcoming game game with a friend playing Japan, would be sad if there was no challenge at all

[faint parrot]

they do stuff

but its on your side if you think that they are doing it good or just spam

[crimson tartan]

it's pretty funny that all of the soviet coal is on donetsk, while this coal basin was not even on the top 3

pdx trying not to nerf soviets with every single update
level: impossible

[vast shore]

But are you considering the numbers from back then?

[crimson tartan]

yeah i'm not that dumb bro

[vast shore]

then its a balance change

Probably to buff Germany

[crimson tartan]

not to buff germany but to nerf soviets*

[vast shore]

Probably not

[crimson tartan]

yeah

[vast shore]

I mean its behind the river like

[crimson tartan]

if they wanted to buff germany they could add coal to them
but they decided nerf soviets by removing coal from them

[fresh cedar]

It’s just crazy that Arabia basically has none and there’s not much you can do about it till late game

[fresh cedar]

In like 9/10 of my games Germany gets stomped by the Soviets.

[crimson tartan]

yeah
and that's why they wanted to nerf soviets

[fresh cedar]

I think new templates just kinda threw off some countries badly

Like Asa and Ethiopia aren’t really playable at all now with irregulars

Arabia/Africa severely lack coal

[crimson tartan]

well i haven't played any full campaign after 1.17

dunno

i played china for 10 mins and ones the war started i just "damn that's boring i'm gonna quit"

burnout 😟

[thick edge]

Africa will ALWAYS get ignored

[fresh cedar]

Wish you were at-least able to develop resources greatly in Africa. It’s basically devoid of them despite that kind of being the reason Europeans conquered it 😭

[thick edge]

Even if they update Africa there is nothing to rlly play in Africa

Liberia, surrounded by major powers

Ethiopia/aussa is just boring

South Africa will need to end up fighting the UK

Egypt maybe?

[hushed lion]

Congo

[rich light]

Congo gets a normal economy by 45

That country is the equivalent of playing victoria

[median bronze]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/air-suggestions-air-hqs-airfields-and-targetting.1887050/

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather it just be more worth to play.

And I don’t just mean as an African country

There’s no real point in going into Africa

[fresh cedar]

Aussa is basically unplayable currently

[rich light]

Was aussa ever fun in the first place

No

What changed, nothing

[rich light]

I've had to take trips into south africa for chromium for my supersonic jets

[fresh cedar]

Wasn’t very fun but forming the Horn of Africa was a nice challenge. With the rework changes it’s actually impossible to defend, you just get stomped

Atleast could hold before

[rich light]

Africa is more reliant on the 1939 start poland strat of going heavy on maintenance companies and scavenging

It's not difficult to build up for it

Especially when Africa has low supply and barely any airports around

[fresh cedar]

I’m complaining mostly about the lack of resources in a resource rich continent

Even if it doesn’t have many playables, would be an interesting battlefield if it had resources

[rich light]

Inaccessible resources*

You have no imagination how severely underdeveloped Africa was

[fresh cedar]

I want the ability to develop it

[fresh cedar]

“Was” 😂

[rich light]

Guess how modern African countries did it, by selling majority of the resource rights to foreign companies

They were incapable to finance it themselves

For obvious reasons

[fresh cedar]

Almost like colonial powers who own 85% of Africa should be able to do so

[rich light]

And thus risk strengthening the locals

[fresh cedar]

For 90% or scenarios in HOI4, Africa has no locals 😭

[rich light]

Well you get my point on why Africa through exploitation was not able to develop in a significant way

Some history sources just call it trophies for the European powers cause to some extent, it's all it was

A lot of colonies didn't make significant profit

It was just there for prestige

And they had no imagination of the potential riches hidden there

Italian and German colonies were noted to burn money instead

[fresh cedar]

No, one of the main reasons for the scramble for Africa was resources

To just say they were trophies and nothing more is ingenuine

It quite literally was to secure resources and trade routes

Industrialization was hungry for resources, Africa and colonies provided it

[rich light]

Industrialisation was hungry for customers

That's the type of resources the Europeans had a tendency to seek

[fresh cedar]

Yes, consumers CONSUME resources at its base roots 😭

[rich light]

It's especially obvious with what happened to India

Britain dwarfed India on purpose to sell more British goods there

I'm not surprised if Africa was seen in a similar light

More customer base

Plus the exploitation for exotic goods

[iron nexus]

So what do you get when you buy the dlc not including the focus trees?

[wooden wyvern]

the resource stuff was handled by private businesses

for the actual governments its true most colonies were never profitable

but the businesses get private, dependant markets alongside complete resource and construction rights

but africa is insanely rich in resources

theres a reason they all gathered together and drew a map so they wouldnt fight over it

[quasi harbor]

I think they did that cuz Africa was the only continent that could be done on

[dusk mist]

There is plenty of literature and scholarship on the matter

Seeking prestige certainly played a part but it was very very very far from the only reason.

[coral drift]

Yup.
The Americas was already Europeanized by the mid-1700s

Imagine if the situation was reversed.

• Spain, Portugal, and Britain colonized huge parts of Africa with other European states gaining piecemeal colonies
• Anglicized and Hispanicized countries emerged
• Europe later decided to divide up the Americas between them, maybe with the Aztecs as the last holdout fighting against Italy

[limber frigate]

no chance italy could project power over the atlantic

[harsh hull]

Italy? A transatlantic power?

Childish fantasy, that

[wooden wyvern]

nah

you would only do that if there was some value to be gained from fighting over it to the point where it would cause non stop tensions and wars

spain and portugal did the same thing 400 years before

except they had much less knowledge on geography and how to manage entire continents worth of inhabitants

[pastel flume]

Aztecs agaisnt Italy?

[coral drift]

"Last bastion of the Continental Civilization vs Least of the Great Powers"

[coral drift]

Okay, but it's just the analogy

[stable tusk]

There's no other incompetent European powers that could have the boats to make it there
Except Denmark ig

Or Sweden

Those guys did try to set up North American colonies

[fresh cedar]

Game seriously needs this

[coral drift]

Extend the industry tech to 1948 and we're talking

[wise oxide]

is the patch today?

[warped yew]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Or even just give Africa more deposits to tap into.

[coral drift]

Well, i mean, you can make it so you need 12 civs and Excav5

Higher civs for the even younger tapped deposits

[wise oxide]

w pdx

[fresh cedar]

Did occupation costs/resistance get changed recently?

Territory seems to use a lot more guns for occupation than it used to. Or at-least burn through more

[median bronze]

Lower base war support for China from 50% to 32%

damn

more debuffs

mmm

yum

The 4 Defense Areas now give their state modifier for 210 days instead of 120 and now applies to subjects and faction members

Lowered winter attrition from 50% to 40%

didn't they add more winter attrition at the start of the dlc

Nerfed CAS damage to strength from 0.08 to 0.05

CAS is not king

Gave Soviet Union a negative to mastery gain that can be removed by replacing "Politicized Military"

soviets is even harder

[wise oxide]

how different will an ai only game be if on 4 or 5 speed?

[polar jasper]

Nothing?

[vital bane]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/naval-maps-color-filter-has-been-wrongly-used-on-default-map-mode.1881787/
Just to remind you that this bug is a very serious damage to the mod's game experience and that you've never done anything, it supposed to be easy to fix, this issue didnt exist before 1.17

[stable orchid]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/naval-maps-color-filter-has-been-wrongly-used-on-default-map-mode.1881787/
Just to remind you that this bug is a very serious damage to the mod's game experience and that you've never done anything, it supposed to be easy to fix, this issue didnt exist before 1.17

[thin haven]

Yeah

[twilit jolt]

What is that tag bro

Besides that unless I am tripping, did Paradox not say the map was intentionally that way so you can tell on the fly whether you had naval supremacy or not?

[jaunty spindle]

why u got a fascist as ur pfp? not cool

[dusk mist]

Many of the resources Africa is known for today, like oil, were only established en masse many years later.

[fresh cedar]

Wait till you learn about thermonuclear ICBM launching nuclear submarines

[dusk mist]

What can I say, it's also dumb. But at least it's super expensive and time consuming.

I get that many people just want the game to become more and more arcady, but I personally think that it is plenty arcady enough already.

[fresh cedar]

I’m just saying, if you can produce those, which should be around by 1954-1960 irl. You should be able to prospect for more resources

[fresh cedar]

Developing untapped resources isn’t Arcadey though. 😭

[dusk mist]

Discovering and tapping resources that are not discovered or tapped until 30 years later purely to make playing in Africa easier is definitely arcady

[fresh cedar]

You literally can already do this with resources around the world

[dusk mist]

30 years early? Or 5-10 years early?

[fresh cedar]

God forbid sub Saharan Africa of all places has resources and gives a reason to fight there 💀

In-game it’s legit devoid of resources

Despite resources being one of the main reasons for the scramble of Africa

[dusk mist]

Right, but irl there wasn't really a reason to fight there, was there.

[dusk mist]

Hoi4 doesn't especially value diamonds ngl

[fresh cedar]

Securing trade routes, resources, potential weakness to allied if independence wars waged

[fresh cedar]

Wish Uranium was a resource tbh

[dusk mist]

I mean that in ww2 no one even considered it

It was entirely ignored

[dusk mist]

Actually would make sense yeah

[fresh cedar]

Cobalt, Manganese, Uranium, oil, coal

[fresh cedar]

That’s why Italy invaded Ethiopia right

Or that’s why Mittelafrika revival was explored

By the Kriegsmarine btw

With the intention of resource exploitation

[dusk mist]

No

Resources didn't really play a part

They wanted to avenge prior humiliation and distract from home

[fresh cedar]

Your argument was that none considered it. While Italy actively invaded Ethiopia. And post-war the kriegsmarine actually made plans to exploit resources there

So that argument is just invalid. Was Africa a sideline? Yes. Was it valueless? No

Otherwise, why would UK/France even maintain control over it?

[dusk mist]

I was talking about during ww2, and the Italians as i said did not invade for resources, so kinda irrelevant. I am interested about the kriegsmarine reviving mittelafrika, never heard of that, would be interested to hear more.

[dusk mist]

Obviously not valueless, immense riches, but just not necessarily those resources that hoi4 puts forward.

Modest supplies of coal and oil until way more was discovered much later post-war, i think some rubber plantations ?

[fresh cedar]

Okay, but if you allow a bear to run a country and ICBM’s. Developing resource deposits is by comparison very tame and should be in the game

[dusk mist]

Yeah you have a point there.

I forgot about the bear

[fresh cedar]

Like if I am legit playing the Mittelafrika path as Congo. I should be able to develop my territory bc comparatively my govt is much more interested in resource prospecting than fractured Cold War nations Moreso focused on civil war than development

Logically if it was the focus of centralized nations, the resources would be found sooner

[dusk mist]

Yeah, locking it behind preqreqs representing this would make sense

Or colonial development focuses for the colonial nations

[fresh cedar]

Big part of why the resources were found so late is that the countries recently gained freedom and were barely holding themselves together and establishing, let alone diverting the resources required to discover resources.

Many countries which are still in similar situations with civil wars and instability. Not exactly perfect situations for development

[dusk mist]

Well... Actually, in East Africa for example, it was British oil companies that discovered the deposits

It wasn't a government initiative

And it's not just resources, but expertise as well

Inviting foreign companies & prospectors via a focus or decision could represent this though

You make some tradeoff but get access to a bunch of resources to develop

[fresh cedar]

That’s my argument though. If players decide to focus on it, then they’re clearly diverting the resources needed to provide that expertise

Such as Union of Africa, Mittelafrika, Mutapa or legit any European power that develops it

[dusk mist]

You can't manufacture expertise out of focussing on it. You need someone to provide that expertise in the first place, people to teach it, people to teach it to, and years to do this, if you want to get that expertise natively. Alternatively, and this is what happened irl, you let foreign companies who have that expertise already do the job, and learn from them.

Which accelerates the process

[fresh cedar]

My guy, if you can prospect for resources as any country. That’s clearly not something paradox cares about 😭

Besides, there’s basically techs already for this

[dusk mist]

I mean they care about it to varying degrees ig, for example for Soviets you can invite foreign experts etc. I just think it would be more thematically interesting and also gameplay-wise.

[fresh cedar]

Maybe just allow prospecting for certain resources in Africa if your opinion is high enough with said countries

And if developed, they get a percentage of resource rights to it. Unless you nationalize which gives them a war goal. Or if a war goal is too brutal maybe they embargo

[dusk mist]

Yeah, this sounds great ngl.

Post-decolonisation colonialism would be cool to have represented in the game like that

[fresh cedar]

So if you’re Mittelafrika, you can develop everything possible and prepare. Then nationalize and it gives the Europeans a reason to fight you now

[fresh cedar]

I really would like that. Especially since communist UK kinda has it

So it’s clearly possible

[dusk mist]

And they should actually attack, like with the Suez crisis

Of course, reworked peace etc would be necessary

[fresh cedar]

Honestly just wish resources were a bit more dynamic in the game

[dusk mist]

Don't want to have to cap UK as mittelafrika

[fresh cedar]

Still wish Japan could peace out USA

Saw a mod where if Japan owns Hawaii, USA has under 235 ships and Japan nukes the US. They peace out

[dusk mist]

Fr, smash their fleet, take islands, Australia & India, they should peace out ngl

[fresh cedar]

Right

[dusk mist]

At this point a proper rework is needed so that there doesn't have to be a scripted white peace every time

[fresh cedar]

Expansion pass 3 feature 😂

[median bronze]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3621358522

[median bronze]

for the next expansion pass u might get a free plane model 🤣

[fresh cedar]

Gives you a 3d model for a plane class you never use

[median bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-5972314891354809109

how paradox be after giving free seaplane tenders (no one will use it)

[fresh cedar]

I tried it once.

[median bronze]

also mind doing me a favour

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-like-subscribe-bell-hello-neighbour-hello-neighbor-2-hello-neighbour-2-gif-2484330488843852459

[worthy ore]

goated mod

[median bronze]

fr

[worthy ore]

Would use for anything non achivement

[median bronze]

leave a comment and like etc

[acoustic compass]

where is the mapmode fix

[fervent prairie]

Uhm Paradox?

Just because Britain goes non-historical and loses Burma. This part of the tree is blocked

This is why these trees are dogshit and should be replaced with content for each individual warlord... We are owed that much. And no it should NOT be an additional paid for DLC

[thick edge]

Cry

U can’t do anything sadly

[fervent prairie]

Of couse I can't. But I can still complain

[thick edge]

Can’t u do another part of that tree?

Like Japan/usa

[fervent prairie]

I can, but this one blocks the only small frame MIO you can get

Which is bullshit

[thick edge]

Peak paradox moment

[fervent prairie]

It's also 70 focuses galore

First focus should be 35 A LOT of these should be 35 to 17 days.
But I'd rather take a free complete rework

We are owed this much at this point

Other even smaller companies have done so before, No Man Sky being a big example.

[hollow coral]

that is why theres like 6 ways to go down the tree

[fervent prairie]

Not an excuse. They should ALL be available. To be frank they should not have to be reliant on a shared tree like this. It's just lazy

Plus I am mainly complaining that I can't get the Smallframe Plane MIO

[dusk mist]

Kinda makes sense ngl

If Britain doesn't own burma how are they gonna do the burma road

[polar jasper]

UK cant really provide aid if there is no way to help

But screw you and your MIO I guess

Your MIO is trapped in the mountains of Burma

[surreal estuary]

why does sinkiang always lose to khotan ma

[hollow coral]

might just be your games

[surreal estuary]

Maybe so, do they win for you?

[hollow coral]

Xinjiang more or less always wind

[stuck smelt]

how impactful will the cas nerf be

do any of the other balance changes also matter

[acoustic compass]

very

its 0.8->0.5 right?

[pseudo wing]

Reupload plz, scribble your top left portion of it

[fresh cedar]

Good catch 😂

[fresh cedar]

Thx Chak

[median bronze]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3621831597

done

[fresh cedar]

Would lowkey make more sense from a gameplay perspective for them to almost work similar to carrier planes where you assign them to ships

[thin haven]

Where can I find the actual formula for cas damage

I don’t see it anywhere on the wiki

[acoustic compass]

ive heard that its datamined so it may take a little more time

[median bronze]

u dont assign a destroyer to another ship wdym lmao

[fresh cedar]

I meant assigning PT boats to destroyers, cruisers etc almost like planes to a flight deck. That way they’re more of a support role rather than a unique ship

[fresh cedar]

Personally I just don’t think spamming out 1000 PT boats and overwhelming everything makes for interesting gameplay

[dense gale]

well the devs failed to mentioned

that they completely reworked how cas work

depending on scenarios cas is buffed or nerfed

previously if u fly 1k cas

all 1k cas will enter battle

but with the release of 1.17

only 1/3 of them will fly

so say u have 1k cas only 333 will ever enter battle at any given time

and thus to counteract it they initially also buffed the damge of cas 3x

but here comes the issue

if u fill the cas cw

it doesnt really matter if only 1/3 cas fly

u will get 3x dmg

but say u have 5 260 cas cw battle going on

and u have 1k cas

there wont be enough cas to enter battle resulting in lowered damage

so now ur incentivised to pick ur battle carefully to minimise cas cw

and have to makr more cas

which really should have been communinicated to us in the patch notes

[vast shore]

NO WAY

THEY STILL HAVENT FIXED IT?

I POSTED IT HERE 1H AFTER RELEASE

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

.

[hushed lion]

Lmao

[cold gale]

hoi4 expansion pass 3 prediction:

-# (ik this is hella early but boredom persists)

Main DLC - Fight for Liberty - USA Mexico Canada Rework, Cuba Dominican Republic Haiti New Trees.
Features: Truck + Motorization Rework, Economic Overhaul (Due to great depression & dust bowl, giving more paths between concentrated and dispersed industry paths, possibly oil rework.)
-# also possibly league of nations + united nations addition to make it useful rather than event

1st idea of Second DLC: Dios, Unión, Libertad - Central American Rework w/ shared focus tree for Central America as whole

or...

2nd idea of Second DLC: Libertad y Orden - Columbia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia

Third DLC: Brotherhood and Unity - Yugoslavia Rework to give some better flavor to those within like Serbia, Croatia, and a partisans decision similar to the Communist China influence decisions to give Yugoslavia a partisan revolt during soviet invasion.

[keen totem]

honestly think the next major dlc will have the US, UK and Canada in it

maybe they'd throw in ireland as well

feel like those three have more demand for a rework rather than some carribean nations getting focus trees

but who knows we'd have to wait and see

[cold gale]

true

would say after the predicted thing i said would be "UK, France, Netherlands, Possibly Ireland" due to the sense of those 4 being european powers, and cleaning up the european continent, alongside a North African DLC to give some more flavor to the african front

[keen totem]

netherlands and france seems plausible for a rework

personally think UK and Canada would have more priority tho

[cold gale]

yeah

only reason why i grouped france and UK + netherlands together cuz a "colonial imperialist" styled dlc may help, alongside giving different autonomy levels for different african regions...

[keen totem]

would seem cool

honestly insane to me egypt isnt in the game yet

as a starting nation that is

[cold gale]

yeah

i thought with the graveyard of empires and how western middle east got released, egypt would've been part of it

[keen totem]

such a shame

maybe one day they'll give egypt some love 😮‍💨

[hollow coral]

egypt as apart of a dlc with morocco and tunisia im calling it🙌

[cold gale]

don't forget Libya and Algeria!!!

north africa needs rework, which tbh is when i think south africa may get something.

[hollow coral]

nah not those two i dont think. Algeria was considered part of metrolpolitan france and libya was too integrated of a colony

morocco and tunisia were protectorates and not direct colonies

In the future i would also see a mongolian dlc

[cold gale]

hmmmm

mongolia and tannu tuva pack? 🤔 (i dont think it would make sense since mongolia was given some flavor with NCNS)

though if you do want some kinda mongolian flavor, rt56 does have a good mongol tree

[hollow coral]

it wasnt really mongolian flavour

just flavour for mengjiang directed to mongolia

otherwise mongolia and tannu tuva atleast did something in ww2

also cant forget mengjiang

[cold gale]

true...

[cold gale]

only thing i've seen was Choibalsan being added tmk

also an addition of a greater mongolia decision

[hollow coral]

i was surprised mengjiang didnt get a tree honestly

the next chance they would have would be a mongolian dlc

[cold gale]

yeah same here, its kinda weird tbh...

[vast shore]

I think it was an ai limitation as else the Ai would just abandon egypt

[hollow lion]

Expert AI releases them so they dont abandon Egypt if I understand correctly

[vast shore]

Yes but the hoi4 modding community is competent

Paradox less so

[fresh cedar]

Mongolia got a formable, which doesn’t even include all the former Mongolian territory.

Meanwhile Japan can core all of Asia.

Why even hold back on one and go overboard on another?

[brittle venture]

mongolia never integrated any of the lands culturally tbf, they actively prevented it, theyre probably waiting for the mengkukuo-mongolia-tuva-tibet-bhutan-nepal dlc

[fresh cedar]

Neither did Japan core Asia 😂

[brittle venture]

they did

[fresh cedar]

And what paradox considers Asia is insane. Basically up to Moscow

[fresh cedar]

Stop being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. No Japan didn’t occupy and core all of Asia

[brittle venture]

:p im kiddinngg

its quite silly

[fading walrus]

Germany can make the HRE which was a decentralized mess

[fresh cedar]

Mongolia should at-least be able to make puppets. Like what you can do as communist South Africa or Germany

[fading walrus]

But in hoi4 its portrayed as being centralized which I get

[fresh cedar]

Or the United Americas under native Americans lol

If Japan and China can core this

Mongolia should be able to get cores on this and maybe puppets on a good chunk

[green scaffold]

Mongolia focus tree when

[fading walrus]

Then by this logic Germany and France should be able to remake the Frankish empire

[fresh cedar]

Sure idc. They can already core all of Europe 😂

Would actually be interesting if Fascist France had a Frankish formable

Would kinda be similar to the Greater German Proletarian state formable. Just with less Germany and more Italy

[fading walrus]

Greater France*

[keen totem]

makes sense

[hushed lion]

Frankish as in the frankish empire, greater France chances are is going to also be a formable probably for most paths but is going to follow the natural borders of France

[fresh cedar]

When we say Frankish Empire

[thick edge]

Tf happening in Poland bro

Or was that just a really big tribe

Or culture

[fresh cedar]

Poland has chopped borders idk I just ignore it

[fading walrus]

Slavic tribes

Poland didn’t exist until 966 ad

[vast shore]

Never gonna happen

even though I wish

[fading walrus]

When their king accepted to convert to Christianity

[thick edge]

I meant the polish area

And western Russia ig

[fading walrus]

Russia and Poland were a bunch of slavic tribes

Russia didn’t become a nation until 1547 under Ivan the Terrible who was actually a good leader

His name is a mistranslation he is really Ivan the fierce or formidable

[thick edge]

I know

[coral drift]

Just asking about the new update

If you have conquered/liberated East Asia as Japan and leading your own faction, can you get a separate peace with the Allies?

[ashen abyss]

Idk if anyone is interested but I was trying to make a mod that corrects the stats to the intended one in the doctrines. I found out that the reliability modifier that they give you in the doctrine is actually both additive and multiplicative. Wat?

Peak paradox moment

An infantry battalion with a 90% reliability (using equipment's reliability), getting a 5% buff from the doctrine will make it 0.9 + 0.05 + (0.9 * 0.05) = 0.995, 99.5% reliability.

[fresh cedar]

I don’t believe so.

Honestly wars and conditional surrender/whitepeace could use a rework

[coral drift]

Bruv

[harsh hull]

Historically, it's not realistic

Even if Japan managed to force a surrender in China by, say, 1942, they'd already kicked America's teeth in

So they'd have to completely remove America's ability to wage war at sea before they'd come to the negotiation table

Which Japan could never do

Especially not while trying and failing to keep control over their holdings in China, waiting for the moment that the Soviets finally make their move

[coral drift]

But in the case that they did?

[sturdy bison]

I mean japan losty due to overstreched lines, they had to push india, malaya, indonesia, philipinnes, garrison, and hold china while dealing with partisans.

[fading walrus]

Japans holdings in 1942 were very deceptive

it looked like they had a huge area under their control

but in reality they didn't have complete authority

[rich light]

SEA occupations were only possible with local collaborators wanting independence

Like even when Japan was out of the equation, all the colonies were still revolting

[minor cave]

True, those blitzkrieg are good but they got no foothold if they're pushed back from their station

Not to mention guerilla forces in SEA are also brutal

Mainly Vietnam, Borneo (Dayak), and Philipine (Hukbalahap)

[fading walrus]

also I feel like Germany shouldn't start out with a starting naval doctrine

to simulate the divide between the surface and uboat fleet

[rich light]

Their doctrine is raiding

The argument is surface raiders or uboats

[fresh cedar]

Can you walk me through a scenario where they achieve this?

What would it look like?

[coral drift]

Like, as Japan you have conquered the Raj, Australia, and crippled the American and British fleets in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

I do think that the Allies would just focus on Germany at that point.

The Americans can't get any closer to Palau, and Japan is too stretched to invade Alaska either....

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I think the US would double down efforts on Japan

[coral drift]

After the fall of Honolulu?

[fresh cedar]

Yes

The US would likely focus Japan at that point

[coral drift]

Churchill (Germany-first) would be fuming

[fresh cedar]

Churchill was sidelined by the US and Soviets at the end of the war

[coral drift]

Oh yeah
I forgot about the Persimmon

I do think if America is still at war with Japan, Japan would not dare to attack the Soviets

[fresh cedar]

Wasn’t it the Soviets that attacked them?

[coral drift]

That was after the Soviets are done with Germany

[fading walrus]

Japan was so unwilling to attack the soviets that they didn’t even attack US ships heading towards vladivlastok

[coral drift]

I'm talking if Japan is already finishing the Western Allies in the Asia-Pacific region, and Soviets still struggling against Germany

[coral drift]

Yeah, they aren't finished with the Western Allies and didn't want to provoke the Soviets

[fading walrus]

I watched a documentary on the soviet invasion of Manchuria

Japan had moved alot of its war industry to Korea and Manchuria

[fresh cedar]

Saw a mod where if the US has under 245 ships, no pacific islands, and Japan nukes them, then they whitepeace

[fading walrus]

To keep out of US bomber range

[coral drift]

Yeah
That's what makes me asking here on the first place
Thought the vanilla devs already added it

[fresh cedar]

They should add it imo

[rocky escarp]

We all know that nuke-to-peace-deal will only be a full mechanic

Not something they add for each country just because of the irony or whatever

[woeful oasis]

Can't wait for the Albanian and Irish focus trees

[polar jasper]

Only under 245? Japan needs to have less than 30, though they only need to lose Iwo Jima and Okinawa

[fresh cedar]

The idea is that the rest is tied up in the Atlantic ig

[hushed lion]

Ireland is possible, I severely doubt Albania

[hollow coral]

Ahem balkan dlc

[hushed lion]

Yes but in a balkan dlc they will be adding new focuses to Romania and Yugoslavia, not Albania

[hollow coral]

why wouldnt they be adding to the almighty albania

[cold gale]

they'll have to redo political branch of greece

[harsh hull]

My guess was that they'd rework the entire Little Entente (CZE, ROM, YUG) as one side DLC, which some minor content for releasable tags thrown in for good measure

If CZE is getting their own specific DLC, they might as well throw Albania in there in its place

Give Albania those coveted "busted DLC country" bonuses so that they can embarass Italy even more

[rocky escarp]

Can we have Little Entente DLC
We have Little Entente at home

It would be very silly if the modders managed to squeeze this into the Slovak content

But yes, instead of the Little Entente DLC about collectively fending off against the Axis, we get the ROM/YUG/ALB DLC about nations who keep getting screwed over by neighbouring major powers

[fickle estuary]

Guys I was looking through the code and saw #puppet = EGY in the UK folder, how long has this been in here?

[hollow coral]

interesting since its between the countries that were added in goe

Maybe they planned for egypt to be a puppet but rescinded that decision

During goe development

[vast shore]

Probably for the communist focus that releases egypt

[coral drift]

Got intrigued by a possibility of a leftist America... by Willkie and FDR joined forces into a single progressive party

FDR's possibility for a 3rd term was not as concrete as currently believed. Maybe if he withdraws from health concern and Willkie wins, people would think that FDR was secretly backing Willkie, lel

[hollow lion]

Since GoE I believe

[fresh cedar]

Can’t really expand much as Ireland

Would rather African/Central American countries

A lot of room for expansion in the Americas still

Carribean, Central America, rest of South America

[hushed lion]

I would honestly prefer more arab countries but that wouldnt be within the scope of an allies rework

[keen totem]

sounds cool

for a potential america rework surely a macarthur path would be added

[fresh cedar]

Egypt could be if they focus on the North African campaign more

[keen totem]

they should do an expansion on egypt, tunisia and morocco

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’ve been saying but many people don’t want more puppets

[keen totem]

the last two were french protectorates after all

[fresh cedar]

When imo those would actually be interesting puppets

[keen totem]

really dont get the hate for puppets

id gladly take more puppets if it means more overall content

[fresh cedar]

Lag I guess? Can confuse AI sometimes but idk AI seems better at fighting in puppets now

[keen totem]

i suppose lag would be a good reason for it

[fresh cedar]

That’s the main critique many have

[keen totem]

still would be cool if we had like french indochina

and some paths for independent vietnam and such

[fresh cedar]

Right

Even if French Indochina played like Congo

[keen totem]

i could see a joint french-indochina tree and then independent paths

[fresh cedar]

North Africa in general is completely ignored by the game. Yet like every historical game Italy gets ate early bc North Africa has no content

[keen totem]

and it was one of the most important campaigns

i really dont like how ignored africa is

[fresh cedar]

I’ve been saying this for years

[keen totem]

even when free france pops up

[fresh cedar]

Many players including paradox are pretty Eurocentric though and just don’t care about Africa

[keen totem]

i believe french equitoral africa joined free france

except for gabon

[fresh cedar]

And that’s another point, how shallow Vichy is

[keen totem]

glad we got and are getting some asia rework now but yeah i definitely agree

[keen totem]

vichy and free france are really interesting and they're so underwhelming to play as

[fresh cedar]

Can only hope Africa and both of those get looked at

[keen totem]

i at the very least want egypt when it comes to africa

[coral drift]

Too much obvious.

[fresh cedar]

Which should exist moreso than any other Middleastern puppet

[keen totem]

fair lol

[coral drift]

Even FDR did not pursue a 3rd term would be a good altpath

[fresh cedar]

Since it actually existed

[keen totem]

definitely agree

[keen totem]

yeah

egypt has a lot of possibilities for paths too

would you say sudan should remain apart of britain or be egyptian

if egypt were on the map at start

[fresh cedar]

Pyramids first and only nuke proof monument 😮‍💨

[fresh cedar]

I’d say UK tbh

[keen totem]

honestly id say make anglo-egyptian sudan it's own thing

[fresh cedar]

Maybe if Egypt goes dominion path then UK cedes land to them

[keen totem]

puppet of the UK

for obvious reasons

[fresh cedar]

I just want to see how military HQ’s are implemented and what they do

[keen totem]

they should be able to ask for it diplomatically or fight a war over it

but maybe a white peace option for if you conquer sudan

[unborn turret]

Is it worth it to build tanks with no MIO?

Like your country doesn’t have one.

For example Nationalist China only has one for light tanks and armored cars,

[fresh cedar]

In SP, no. You never need tanks. In MP, yes

[unborn turret]

There are certain cases in SP I’ve seen where it is extremely difficult or even impossible to push without tanks,

Such as the opening push into Italy as Austria Hungary.

[fresh cedar]

That’s a division template/doctrine issue.

[fresh cedar]

Can just use Super Heavy arty now

[unborn turret]

No, it’s just the border is so small and the terrain is so bad that the death Italian death stack is near unbeatable with just infantry.

[fresh cedar]

Italian divisions are trash and often undersupplied though

[polar jasper]

Going in from Fume works well

Less mountains

[unborn turret]

They aren’t under supplied in that region.

[polar jasper]

And then you encircle those in the Alps

And you rush down an empty peninsula

[fresh cedar]

Undersupplied as in they don’t actually make enough gear for their divisions

[unborn turret]

The death stack is still present.

Trying to encircle their is typically my opening strategy.

But it takes forever to force them out.

[polar jasper]

36 width divisions melt through everything with air support

A reinforce meme solves everything

[fresh cedar]

Legit 36 W mountaineer with super heavy support steamrolls it 😂

[unborn turret]

With either Austrian or Hungarian manpower 36 width early on isn’t exactly ideal.

[polar jasper]

32 width mountaineers are better from what I heard

[unborn turret]

Since the war either Italy typically comes before you unify the empire.

[polar jasper]

Quality > Quantity

3 36 width tanks are all you need

[unborn turret]

Oh I know.

I was talking about infantry.

The other guy said you never need tanks.

[polar jasper]

Special forces

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, you don’t.

Special forces easily can replace tanks

[polar jasper]

Special forces are as good as tanks

In singleplayer

Mp too

[fresh cedar]

I’ve been telling him this

[unborn turret]

The population still limits how high you can get the cap.

[fresh cedar]

I lowkey wanna try air Calvary today

It makes infantry divisions 20% faster

[polar jasper]

No

It is based entirely on battalion count

[fresh cedar]

So instead of like 4 km/h, goes nearly 5.

[polar jasper]

You can make 5000 2 width divisions

[unborn turret]

Which involved population.

[polar jasper]

Convert to 50 widths

Convert what you want into special forces

[fresh cedar]

IMO if a division is being transported by helis should be quicker

[polar jasper]

Delete the rest

[unborn turret]

That just feels like cheating.

[polar jasper]

You have a 100% special forces army

[polar jasper]

Then simply use a few special forces divisions

You have a base 24

[fresh cedar]

Do you still just use mountaineer or do you use rangers now

Bc I still just do mountaineers

[polar jasper]

I have only used marines since the update

I still use tanks

[fresh cedar]

I never was a fan of marines apart from armored ones

[polar jasper]

Even as infantry Japan lmao

Marine doctrine + 1940 tech allows 72 division invasions

[fresh cedar]

Bruh the new air Calvary doctrine really interests me

[polar jasper]

It is pure comedy

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if it’s worth it every support company is heli

[polar jasper]

Landing in Normandy with 3 armies

[fresh cedar]

Cracked

[polar jasper]

Spain air cavalry game

They start with helicopters day one

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey Air Calvary would be worth if they just buffed it

Instead of 4.8 km/h with heli transports, should be like 6+

[fresh cedar]

Wish Spain got a heli MIO

[polar jasper]

I dont remember helis being that slow

[fresh cedar]

Realistically should be the fastest unit

But I don’t think it’s saying the helis are transporting your entire divisions

[polar jasper]

Like I used armored helicopters and they always kept up with my 8 km/h tanks

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I wish there was actually just like an attack heli and transport heli tech

But atm they’re combined

[polar jasper]

Honestly, id be fine with that. Just have it be one tech that unlocks both

[fresh cedar]

Or two techs you can unlock after special research general early heli

Like rocket techs

[polar jasper]

Eh, that works too I suppose

Or get the heli into the air designer lol

[fresh cedar]

Tried air Calvary and it was terrible compared to others

Helis need much stronger buffs to be remotely viable now

Completing the air Calvary tree doesn’t even give you a buff. Just research bonuses to helis, which is irrelevant.

[fading walrus]

problem is Helicopters only came into their own after world war 2

[fresh cedar]

So about nuclear powered subs carrying thermonuclear ICBM’s…

[dusk mist]

One anachronism doesn't justify another ngl

First time a weapon was mounted on a helicopter was 1955

[polar jasper]

That is upsetting to hear

[polar jasper]

Pilots in WW1 originally just used pistols to shoot each other. Someone would try to find a way to strap rocket launchers or something to a helicopter

[fresh cedar]

If helicopters were mass deployed earlier they would’ve developed weapons for them earlier 🙂

[dusk mist]

And anyone would realise that a slow moving aircraft low above the battlefield practically made of paper armed with matchsticks would be pretty much pointless

[dusk mist]

If they magically had designs and engines 10 years ahead of time, yeah

engines especially

[fresh cedar]

Spain had helicopters as early as like 1932

[dusk mist]

Yes. There is a reason they did not militarise them.

Imagine attempting to arm the Wright Flyer

Using helicopters for troops transport (air cavalry) is a far more realistic scenario for ww2

although obviously still a bit sci fi, it's much more plausible

and is much closer along the helicopter path than gunships or attack helicopters

[fresh cedar]

I’d argue gunships are more plausible as most of the early helicopters were just auto gyro rotorcraft. Like early planes with a rotor above them

All you’d have to do is attach guns or rockets

Whereas troop transports are much more complex

As they require high rotor clearance, tail rotor etc

[dusk mist]

Making autogyros into gunships really doesn't make any sense to me

they're slow, easy targets, cannot carry much of a payload

[fresh cedar]

Much like early CAS

[dusk mist]

irl the first usage of helicopters in the army (during ww2) was for med evac

[fresh cedar]

It’s why I think there should be autogyro research and then actual helicopter research. Where autogyros are just recon but helicopters are transport and or gunships

[dusk mist]

except even slower and worse in every way than ww1 biplanes

[fresh cedar]

The fact that they’re all under 1 tech is the fault

[dusk mist]

making helicopters gunships in ww2 is still super ridiculous

the US mass produced helicopters in ww2

[fresh cedar]

It’s a game full of alt history 💀, having gunships really isn’t that unrealistic if these superpowers actually decided to put resources into them

I’m not talking about modern gunships with anti air rockets or miniguns. Just a couple cannons and rockets tubes

[dusk mist]

Already miles beyond reasonable heli payloads

Your engines are still limited by the tech tree

[fresh cedar]

They have supersonic engines 💀

[dusk mist]

Saying that heli gunships would have been feasible in ww2 is like saying turbojets would have been feasible in ww2 if they had just invested in them

or that computers would have been feasible in the franco prussian war if they just thought about it and invested in them

[dusk mist]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this lol

an engine that flies at supersonic speeds?

They certainly did not have that in ww2

[polar jasper]

Let's say that because of the investment in helicopters, they would try to develop better helicopters that would include armaments. So instead of 55, it might be 44/45

Something something FN FAL 1942 something something

Apparently the logic behind that is that if Belgium survived, they might have developed it sooner, but this makes me think that there should be a 1946 infantry tech

[dusk mist]

That's 10 years of not just helicopter development, but engine development

Which you'd better believe was going as quickly as it possibly could already

[polar jasper]

Kinda forgot about that

[fresh cedar]

As in Supersonic jets 💀

Redditor critique

[fresh cedar]

Which is why it should be broken up between Autogyro’s like Spain’s, for recon.

Then late war 1944/45 can research medi-vac/transport.

Then around the same time that you’d get supersonic jets and ICBM’s you can then pursue gunships.

And before you yap about helis not having guns until the 1960’s

First produced 1944 and intended as a light attack vehicle

[dusk mist]

Also a straight lie lol

There were no supersonic jets in ww2

[fresh cedar]

No shit

[dusk mist]

Oh you mean in hoi4?

[fresh cedar]

This game doesn’t end in WW2

[fresh cedar]

Yes, that has been the whole conversation

[dusk mist]

Right, supersonic jets are indeed in hoi4, which ends in 1948. This is pretty realistic since iirc, the first supersonic jet flew in 1947?

[dusk mist]

That is just incorrect lol

It never mounted any guns

And never operated as an attack vehicle

It really wouldn't make any sense anyway, what on earth can the most basic of helicopters do in combat that an aircraft can't?

Instead, in real life, they intelligently took advantage of its strengths: able to take off and land vertically. So it operates as a scout and rescue helicopter aboard ships, and was able to provide close and quick medevac support on the ground (edit: and transporting supplies) - all things much harder or impossible to accomplish with a plane.

On the other hand, fitting machine guns to it would simply be worse in every single aspect than a small cheap trainer aircraft fitted with the same stuff. Slower and more vulnerable, harder to control and to utilise the weaponry, less range, less mounted armament, more expensive... The list goes on.

[dusk mist]

(nor was intended as one)