latest-updates

[brittle venture]

in terms of like buffs

maybe third idk

[fervent prairie]

Italy

Romania is third

[brittle venture]

@scenic ingot

[fervent prairie]

in terms of strength

[polar jasper]

Bulgaria is the D-Day mech wall and is vital in MP games

[fervent prairie]

Ain't that Germany?

[brittle venture]

no

germany is first

[scenic ingot]

???

[brittle venture]

then bulgaria/finland

[scenic ingot]

What

Explain

Italy is shit

[fervent prairie]

You just did a #1

[scenic ingot]

No ic

[fervent prairie]

Oh wait it's a user

[brittle venture]

hes saying ita is better than bulgaria

[scenic ingot]

Italy is horrendous

Like

-5% cap

[fervent prairie]

Strength and industry wise and what they can do on their own? yes

[scenic ingot]

You dont get free mils

[polar jasper]

We went from arguing over 70 day focuses and now bulgaria

[scenic ingot]

Bulgaria is way stronger than italy

[fervent prairie]

Explain

[polar jasper]

Prussia of the Ballans

[scenic ingot]

Go look at bulgaria with greece albania yugo cored

[fervent prairie]

late game

[scenic ingot]

This as well

[polar jasper]

Mid game

[scenic ingot]

Look at their leader when fascist

Look at their efficiency cap

[fervent prairie]

What kind fo midgame are you seeing?

[scenic ingot]

1940

[fervent prairie]

By midgame I've got nothing

[scenic ingot]

Maybe 41

[scenic ingot]

As bulgaria?

Gg

Bulgaria is like the old agar-tha

[fervent prairie]

If you have to play historical for a nation to win. Then it's bad

[scenic ingot]

Iirc agar-tha is banned for some reason

[scenic ingot]

?

[fervent prairie]

in MP? Yeah, other nations are players... They can GIVE you land for free

[thick edge]

U can win as anyone

[scenic ingot]

Communist is also strong

In mp

You dont eben go hist on bulgaria💀 💀

[fervent prairie]

If your a god at the game

[scenic ingot]

Tsar regime is hist

[slim eagle]

no need to be a god

[scenic ingot]

In hist games u go fascist

[slim eagle]

im not a god

[fervent prairie]

I mean the world as a whole. Historical Germany and so on

[scenic ingot]

In nonhist you dont play Bulgaria cos nonhist is cringe

[slim eagle]

i enjoy hist soviets

[scenic ingot]

Well people play hist games cos they find them fun

In hist games

Bulgaria op

[fervent prairie]

I like doing both

[scenic ingot]

In nonhist

Its finland vs.soviet vs ger

Maybe japan with new dlc idk

[polar jasper]

Alt hist makes me upset. Partially because everyone goes to war with each other

And im just caught in the middle

[slim eagle]

thats why i play hist

[scenic ingot]

Just go to war with them first

Simple

[polar jasper]

Historical is nice for consistency

[scenic ingot]

Imo

Ahist is for bullying

[fervent prairie]

yeah, this is my current map

[scenic ingot]

Nothing else

[scenic ingot]

You dont nuke everyone

Someone will nuke you

[dense gale]

real silver ? 😂

[polar jasper]

Conveniently cut off date

[fervent prairie]

Yep

[fervent prairie]

Wasn't done on purpose

[polar jasper]

Oh neat. Almost unified China by that time

[fervent prairie]

Got slowed down because I thought I would get generals by annexing puppets

You don't

Yes, I have annexed most of them Manually

[polar jasper]

Oof

[fervent prairie]

And I still got some left

[polar jasper]

Why is Sichuan still a thing

[fervent prairie]

All at the bottom of Autonomy just waiting on pp

[polar jasper]

Doesnt the leader die and you get them for free

[fervent prairie]

They refused

[polar jasper]

Ahistorical at its finest

[brittle venture]

nah, denmark doesnt own south america yet

[fervent prairie]

What the?

[teal helm]

Japan just gotta ruined everything.. they white peace USSR

wasted 500K and 3 years just for that..

[fervent prairie]

What am I looking at?

[teal helm]

i dont f ukn now dude.. i wasted alot just to conquer CCP and Japan just gotta take everyting

[fervent prairie]

Yeah, relying on Majors does that

[teal helm]

they make me pissed off rn.. but no worries i have to fight japan sooner or laters

im juts gonna make a line of defense in the border between CCP and me and honestly they have low pen to actually do something againts me

[fervent prairie]

Wait did you just get CCPs territory?

That's not too bad

[teal helm]

No I dont

They separated

Since Japan do a separate peace and CCP are under USSR faction

[fervent prairie]

What did you get?

[teal helm]

So yeah

Nothing

[fervent prairie]

Your China?

[teal helm]

But I still do have wars with soviets.. so I can at least later on joinned ally and make a war against Japan

[teal helm]

I'm kmt china

[fervent prairie]

That something to work with

[fervent prairie]

You got splinter states in the south and the north

You also got Shanxis coal

[teal helm]

Yeah it's not my greatest concern

[fervent prairie]

The once in the south has a lot of resources

[teal helm]

Ik

I'm planning to take them one by one

But now I'm focus on finished my war with USSR first

[uncut tulip]

Bro... theres legit a key to take screnshots on pcs now

Also

[lost torrent]

So with the new DLC doctrines, is line artillery viable again?

[frozen marsh]

whats the next dlc gonna be about

[uncut tulip]

Balls

[uncut tulip]

🫃

[polar jasper]

Slightly, but not enough

[dusk mist]

Viable, yes

Competitive, no

[brittle venture]

not compared to tanks

no break

but its ok ig its usable in the correct circumstances

which are like 5% more prevalent than before

like if youre fighting a bunch of broke 1918/1936 gun enemies theyre fine

maybe if partial equipped with the 39 gun even

but it still has no break, armor, hp

[nimble torrent]

You can reasonably bend your build around using arty I guess?

• Like, go for the +15% HP doctrine for infantry
• Cw reduction for artillery
• No clue if there's an armor doctrine that can give any meaningful bonus, maybe one with a bonus for recon companies?
• And lastly a command doctrine that either gives planning (for the breakthrough), arty specific stats (I think there's one, like the second to last one that does) or the land night attack one

All this to make atty more viable might be too much tbh, and it's still gonna underperform against tanks

[nimble torrent]

In hindsight the better infantry doctrine might still be the one that gives cw reduction on infantry, you get a bit more break, better cw efficiency and other stuff

[rocky escarp]

It's fine but couldn't tell whether they were pushed over the edge to be more effective than 36 width infantry only

Offensive infantry division template was the response I got a few months ago for the topic of what divisions to attack with in the early game (if you couldn't afford meta heavy designs or even mediums)

[hushed lion]

It's really upsetting that when puppeted by japan sichuan and guangdong gave generic leaders

Also shangdong and heibei charar

[runic bronze]

Lts?

[rocky escarp]

In an MP context nope

[rocky escarp]

For early war, HC2 heavies are good, you can rush the cannon and convert relatively early. If you don't have the time for that either HC1 heavies, or Howizer 1 mediums would be the go to tanks. If we are talking really early though I'd suggest either battleplanning with massmob infantry, or using GBP-L special forces, depends on how much XP you can get how fast.

I mentioned light tanks in my original comment and I assume the lack of anything addressing that in the response means it wasn't worth it

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if the sub carriers worth with 5 planes

[fading walrus]

Probably not

[hollow coral]

the idea is to establish the rng over all of china

and those warlords specifically lose their leaders through events

[heavy bolt]

u not know how to take a screenshot?

[hushed lion]

That's just ugly and historically unlikely

[edgy walrus]

WTF? Paradox just banned me for asking about the addition of the new Chinese warlord countries in the base game... This is outrageous

I didn't say any bad word, I didn't put any link or anything that would be considered spam, I just asked it politely, but now I cannot even read what they replied to me...

[drifting star]

lol L

[edgy walrus]

This is how Paradox threats their community

[hollow coral]

they did do that

or that was the plan

[simple nymph]

Don't know what you expected

[manic flint]

The harassment against the developers for this is quite outrageous on the part of the community

(ban is deserved)

[edgy walrus]

They didn't give a valid reason for not doing it, just say NO without discussing

[edgy walrus]

I didn't harasse anyone

I've always ask for it politely

[manic flint]

on every paradox thread there was this demand

[edgy walrus]

Ban is not deserved at all, Paradox actitude was unproportional and disrespectful

[manic flint]

yea whatever

it's just a game, you will overcome this difficult time

[simple nymph]

The China region content in the basegame does not account for their existence.
Lazy but still valid

[edgy walrus]

It's just like say "yes, those are historical countries that should be there, but we (despite having them designed) won't add them because we are too lazy to adapt the two or three focus or events related to warlords"...

[coral drift]

Good heavens.... (tbh i wanted Sulu releaseable to be added, but for now i'll add it to the suggestion post)

[edgy walrus]

They at least could have add those warlord countries as releasable, or with the initial rule to fragment China

It wouldn't be so historical but at least would be something...

[hollow coral]

Whats the point of being worked up over a few insignificant states that you might play once

Why does it matter if its not historical

It doesnt really affect anything

[hushed lion]

This dlc is most definitely overhated

[manic flint]

they still broke the naval gameplay tbh

my favorite part :(

[simple nymph]

You're the only one there

[hushed lion]

New navy is better

Also it's not broken it's just different

[manic flint]

No there a lot of bugs still pending fix

[edgy walrus]

The fans of history and geography love well done maps

[manic flint]

look at the forum, in the bug se

tion :(

[edgy walrus]

It's not about playing with them, but fighting against them, among other things

[hushed lion]

Par for the course with ant update really

[teal helm]

well sort of uhh reunite china i guess

i do however need to go to war againts japan

[simple nymph]

Play BlackIce if you care so much about accuracy

[hollow coral]

Just buy the dlc at that point

[crimson tartan]

one of the worst mods when talking about accuracy bro

😭

[dusky rivet]

how many patches will be?

[fresh cedar]

100 confirmed

[manic flint]

Far more accurate than vanilla and others mods

[hushed lion]

Probably less than graveyard of empires

[fresh cedar]

Yeah more accurate for being miserable

[fresh cedar]

Which is sad, GOE is mostly playable now

Hoping oil can offset coal, bc South America and the middleast have like no coal

Should let you go full coal, like 25% oil and 75% coal, or 50/50

Or the inverse even

[rocky escarp]

They'd have to do more programming than they could probably afford spending resources on to do a true coal/oil substitution system (got another DLC to work on after all)

Best I would expect is oil power plant building that reduces energy consumption in a state while taking oil out of the resource pool - I dunno how you'd set up consumption of further oil other than building more of them but...

Obviously ideally you'd want such a building to reduce on a more global state since it is oil but I dunno if they'd even spare the effort for that.

[simple nymph]

National grids weren't really a thing at that time

[rocky escarp]

Of course they really should for modding purposes allow more than one resource to be set as the energy resource, but as it stands it wouldn't just switch everything to work on its own

[rocky escarp]

Yeah well tell that to everyone who finds nuclear power plants underwhelming

And dams an even bigger disaster with how they are placed in states that aren't useful to build in

Anyway in Britain the national grid begins circa 1933 and transitions from regional grids to a true national system by 1938

It is clearly not worth it for me to find absolute figures on the oil power contribution to the British wartime electrical grid despite the fact such data must be somewhere

[autumn breach]

lol the dlc isnt hated enough imo

[hushed lion]

Honestly why it's so fun

To be fair video game fans always complain after an update but still

[autumn breach]

most of the community hates the whole coal mechanic, literally no one asked for it
and its overpriced asf

[hollow coral]

Can we stop talking about the price

[hushed lion]

The dlc price is the only part I agree on i guess but coal isn't that bad

[autumn breach]

the price is the biggest problem lol

[hollow coral]

yet we all still payed for it

[hushed lion]

It's only an issue if you have ten septrillion factories like the average screenshot of people who complain about it have

[autumn breach]

then they release actuall good dlc like nsb there is little to no backlash at all, paradox devs are literally churning out slop recently

[thick edge]

True

[hushed lion]

Like I'd agree if this dlc was bad

[autumn breach]

the whole idea behind it is stupid imo, u get penalised for actually building a good economy, and we had a limiter for max factories which was build slots

[brittle venture]

this dlc is good wdym it has peak content

people are just upset about coal and confusing navy

[hushed lion]

The idea makes sense to me, it only makes sense that factories require maintenance to work

[hollow coral]

coal is supposed to cap industrial capability

[brittle venture]

i mean any italy players hating on it are fair

no coal in africa is crazy

[autumn breach]

the vast majority of the community doesnt like it for very valid reasons
and whatever "peak" your talking about is definitely not worth the price

[hushed lion]

I really don't understand why paradox refuses to add resources to Africa

Like that's the whole reason it was colonised

[brittle venture]

yes because the balance of the new doctrines sucks lmao

[brittle venture]

raw resources vs refined resources

resources were refined in europe, raw in africa

resource output in game is only refined resources

its atill dumb imo

[hushed lion]

Fair enough I guess

[brittle venture]

but thats the reason why

[hushed lion]

Yeah

[brittle venture]

combine it with poor sources on africa

[thick edge]

U only suffer because of coal if ur at like 900 factories or playing some random minor or Italy

Shitaly

[hushed lion]

And even then the minor excuse is stupid cause I've played a sinkiang game and there was literally no issue

And they don't really have many resources

[brittle venture]

yeah the scaling system is rlly well done

just the resource distribution+capping of energy needed

also the game balance like wtf are these doctrines theyre hella OP

(in attack not in defense)

[thick edge]

Same

[frozen marsh]

i dont like how every path of japan is just integrating puppets in the end

like why cant you just have a faction with puppets

and live like that

i understand it in like the communist or monarchist path

but

its too much putting it everywhere

[brittle venture]

you can choose to

you dont need to annex them

the option is just there

puppets are definitely better with the energy system

[frozen marsh]

and also wouldve loved syngman rhee instead of 2 communist leaders for korea 😭

[burnt sail]

I agree

They didnt give him a portrait even though he appears in pretty much every successful china game

[hushed lion]

Yeah, the historical path really shouldn't have the annexation thing especially

[hushed lion]

My biggest complaint about the dlc is without a doubt not enough portraits

[frozen marsh]

i swear

they did good with vietnam laos and cambodia

but Put a decision to set up puppet in ceylon

but didnt put a potrait for that

😭

they did so much in gotterdamerung tho loved that dlc

[hushed lion]

Just like Wales, Brittany and Scotland in Götterdämmerung

[frozen marsh]

Oh the non aligned path?

[hushed lion]

Yes

[frozen marsh]

hmmmm

but they made so many potraits for all the reichskommisariats

[hushed lion]

And technically also democratic path can make those

+strasser I guess

[frozen marsh]

Oh

[frozen marsh]

i think theyll cover that in the future british dlc

[hushed lion]

Hopefully

[frozen marsh]

do u have any idea what the next dlcs going to be about?

[hushed lion]

Honestly there were too few reichskommisariats in Götterdämmerung

[hushed lion]

Next major dlc is undoubtedly allies rework

[frozen marsh]

how

they made enough for the entire world

[hushed lion]

Yes but the ones in the rest of the world are massive

[frozen marsh]

and a reichskomisariat exclusive focus tree would be cool

[hushed lion]

It's just a handful in the various continents and many in Europe

[frozen marsh]

Oh

[hushed lion]

Honestly I would've been fine with even just a siberian reichskommisariat

[burnt sail]

Yeah they wrong for that

[frozen marsh]

and also

sinkiang was known for this ottoman prince colaborator

who would want to unify turkic lands

under japan

[burnt sail]

And also you can release ceylon but not indonesia or malaya

[frozen marsh]

yeah, japan didnt set up puppet governments there in real life, but that doesnt mean paradox would do notihng for it

😭

they shouldve done something

at least

[burnt sail]

Maybe theyll add it in the upcoming update

[frozen marsh]

unlikely

[brittle venture]

the asian one 😭

[mortal pike]

30$ dlc over 100 bugs in 1 hotfix had to be fixed lmao

[rocky escarp]

There are better things to criticise than the general* outcome of their QA https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1p2zi7l/no_compromise_no_surrender_hotfix_korean/nq1881q/

100 random bugs is nothing compared to the design deficiencies (coal) they should have spent their time playtesting

[edgy walrus]

Yes, I will buy it someday, like all other DLCs I have (except the Sabaton) but not now. I will buy it when it's on sale

[dusk mist]

Ruhr:

[dusk mist]

In fairness Britain really isn't enough to justify the system for the entire world

[rocky escarp]

People are still going to advocate for oil as energy regardless

[dusk mist]

For example in China electrification only began in the 50s

[dusk mist]

People advocate for plenty of dumb stuff

[rocky escarp]

I dunno, people really don't like coal-only energy

Though I didn't hear anything positively affirming e.g. Romania's industry as being fuelled by oil

Seemed they were economically an extraction economy

Is it invalid to want to ahistorically play Romania with oil powerplants? Not sure

[dusk mist]

To want to vs to demand it

Some people want ahistorical and unrealistic stuff, others don't

They can't please everyone

And some people just want to complain

[rocky escarp]

I don't currently know if acquiesing to people's demands to increase coal resources where they apparently historically were will scoff out the oil demands

Mostly because I'm not in the field of historical coal exploitation figures

[dusk mist]

If it's historical I would absolutely support it

But for example you see people complaining about how Italy is short on coal

Which it historically was

[rocky escarp]

Yeah well this is what we get when the point of the trade system feels like it's only there to take away your civs if you don't have resources

[dusk mist]

In ww2 the Italians bought 1 million tons of coal from Germany every month

The civs stay in the axis

But either way this seems like a complaint about the resource system, not coal specifically

[brittle venture]

you get taxed double tho

[rocky escarp]

Yeah yeah whatever

Not like German AI is donating the civs back to you

[brittle venture]

and italy is already so sad

[dusk mist]

Yeah that I disagree with

Double taxing makes no sense

They did say they will probably change it though

[brittle venture]

no thats about coal

thats irrelevant

you get double consumer goods taxed

[dusk mist]

Oh, well that makes no sense either

[brittle venture]

been that way since 2016

[dusk mist]

Fun fact, in 1936, Italy imported 85% of its coal and 95% of its oil

[dusk mist]

🤷

Can you store coal by the way?

Like how you can store oil

[dusk mist]

Fun fact

1937-1938, Italy used 192 tons of oil for electricity generation

[brittle venture]

no

[dusk mist]

And 306,754 tons of coal

[quiet hare]

when i form east asian federation as democratic japan, achievemnt for capitulating germany gets blocked?

[dusk mist]

Unfortunate, irl coal stocks were a real thing. Ngl could be cool to stockpile all resources, with a revamp of the trade system which allows limits on how much you trade to specific people.

[rocky escarp]

What, and that's at-site on-factory?

Not a powerplant contributing to a regional grid?

[dusk mist]

Regional grid, yeah. What else would you call a province?

[rocky escarp]

They had an oil power plant that consumed only 192 tons in the 1937-1938 period?

What kind of wattage is that

[dusk mist]

My point is they used like 1500 times less oil than coal for electricity

[dusk mist]

You tell me, it's from the 1937-1938 industrial census. As you can see, oil was not at all a major energy source in industry.

[rocky escarp]

Yeah well my principal concern surrounding the oil energy issue people keep complaining about is whether oil-power-plant-to-grid operated at a scale worth representing in the game

Fun facts don't help me decipher anything

[dusk mist]

My point was that in Italy for example, there were NO oil power plants operating at scale

Oil contribution to electricity production was insignificant

[rocky escarp]

I don't need an Italy example if everyone is naturally going to play ahistorical industrial expansion

[dusk mist]

So you are saying reality has no influence over what you think of it?

[rocky escarp]

Italy is an irrelevant example from reality in this conversation

[dusk mist]

Oh, and why is that?

[rocky escarp]

Oil power plants did exist, I just dunno where

And it's not invalid for people to demand oil to impact the energy system in some way if it did exist

Just obviously in this example Italy should face challenges doing it ingame

[dusk mist]

As you surely know it is impossible to prove that something doesn't exist

So it's up to you to find an example of oil being a major energy source

[rocky escarp]

You don't have to be so obtuse

Unless you really don't know about the use of oil as a source of electrical power in the game directly preceding HOI IV's period

[dusk mist]

I haven't heard of a single example

However

I can show you CO2 emissions by fuel source from the period

Includes transport though, not just industry

Coal is many times more important in that at least

[dusk mist]

(of it being in any way comparable in importance to coal)

[rocky escarp]

Everyone knows coal is so important to dominate the energy concerns in the mechanic

No one knows how much you can stymie the blow of no coal using oil

[dusk mist]

Everything I find says that oil took off in the mid 50s

[dusk mist]

Well, simple enough, if you can find what irl nations with coal shortages did with their oil you can figure it out I guess

[rocky escarp]

Literally no one who advocates for oil energy in the game will take that as an answer

I don't even care myself, but I know I couldn't use your line of argumentation against them

[dusk mist]

It wasn't an answer, it was a way to proceed in order to find an answer

I don't think it makes any sense to advocate for oil to be an energy source without having any solid irl examples.

[dusk mist]

From what I have been able to find, even today pretty much no one relies mainly on oil. The Saudis use it most, for obvious reasons. Oil accounts for 1% of the US' energy consumption, and historically, it seems like it has mainly been used to cover small gaps or shortfalls in electricity production.

In 1940 in the US there were approx. 100 oil power plants, the vast majority of which had an electricity production of under a megawatt.

The US being one of the top producers of oil in the world.

[rocky escarp]

How much ingame energy unit would "under a megawatt" be

Or probably a more useful question is which single (ingame) state of the USA historically had the most oil power generation, and how much was that in total

[dusk mist]

Probably new york, the only big oil power plant was there

74 mw or so

[dusk mist]

opened in 1941 actually

a bigger one opened in mississippi in 1943

I've realised the "1940" page was actually showing all the way up to 1947 and maybe further

I've got the csv file now though

[rocky escarp]

That kinda sounds like something people want to put in the building queue to finish by those dates

[dusk mist]

Yeah, although something that comes online once the war is almost over doesn't seem too impactful. Still, nuclear reactors exist, so there is an argument there. I just need to figure out a) how much they were used (as primary energy generators, or backup in case of shortfall) and b) how impactful they were compared to total energy gen

But it's certainly enough to see that oil shouldn't behave like coal, needing no building to convert into energy.

[rocky escarp]

How is 1943 the war almost over for a country that's barely spent a year in it

[dusk mist]

When I play hoi4 by 1943 the game is pretty much decided ngl

This data is very confusing btw, each plant has an "operating year", but it doesn't say when it closes

and the same plant is repeated many times in the same year

Perhaps multiple plants at the same spot part of the same utility company?

[clear tundra]

Did air become super easy in last patch? I'm getting rediculious results

[dusk mist]

Like what kind of ridiculous

It was already "do this plane and you win easy peasy"

[clear tundra]

200 volunteer fighters to Iran lose 46 vs Allies losing 1000 fighters, 700 bombers and 300 support

[dusk mist]

That is ridiculous, you're right

[polar jasper]

Is this why Allied AI have been eating rocks?

[pallid hatch]

there is actually no way

46 fighters vs 1000 is insane

[floral tangle]

This might be a dumb question, but is line artillery somewhat viable again as Majore ?

[hollow lion]

Im just parotting but apparently not

[brittle venture]

"again"

its been very equally viable its just like 5% better but not rlly cuz spgs and tds are like double as powerful as before

artillery gives little break, no hp, no armor value, less attack than an SPG

[clear tundra]

Anyone try the cavalry sub-doctrine with a country that has cavalry bonuses like Hungry?

[fresh cedar]

I wanted to with a few Chinese ones but it just didn’t work. But yeah maybe Hungary or Poland would be good

[fresh cedar]

Who knew an artillery gun isn’t as effective as an armored mobile artillery gun

[nimble torrent]

Do we know if paradox is currently working on/gathering info for a balance pass on the doctrines?

[hushed swan]

Ahhh what’s current meta for navy?

[fresh cedar]

Hundreds of carrier subs

[mental onyx]

You think the patch update will drop today or tomorrow?

[fringe sonnet]

I hope today

[frozen marsh]

wth is a carrier sub

[fresh cedar]

A submarine with sea planes

[frozen marsh]

theres a thing like that?

how will it go underwater with those planes on it

[fresh cedar]

Yes, Japan wanted to make them in WW2. Basically just to extend vision for sub wolf packs irl

[fresh cedar]

Has a chamber the planes fold up into. Only has 3-5 planes

[frozen marsh]

ohh

[dire coyote]

torpedos that get rid of 1 manpower each

ifykyk

[median bronze]

whats the console command for reducing autonomy of puppets

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/01-gif-23830650

[median bronze]

@pseudo wing sorry for the ping but on the new forums post for the HOI4 news with the google docs we cannot upload the image

we have to provide a link to it and we can't upload the image itself?

[thick edge]

Image link

[median bronze]

okay

[thick edge]

I’m pretty sure it’s a thing

[median bronze]

i just copied over the steam image link for it

[thick edge]

I would say click on the link and double check it works before submitting too

[median bronze]

yeah

i wish we had notice they were gonna do this, I still have yet to upload my PT boats mod

haven't sorted the localisations

[ashen pollen]

Do submods count?

[fresh cedar]

Okay maybe I wasn’t harsh enough on coal

I have more than half the world cored. Yet am in over a 146k coal deficit 😭

[twin horizon]

How has this not been patched yet?

[vagrant barn]

Does port doesnt do supply anymore for division?

[last moon]

are you getting convoy raided?

[vagrant barn]

no

[last moon]

how far is your division from port

or are there too many maybe

[faint parrot]

you mean africa?

[twin horizon]

Yes

[faint parrot]

why do you want to enter the sahara

[twin horizon]

I don't, just the AI entered the impassable terrain and is stuck now

[fresh cedar]

Port supplies up to 3 tiles away I believe.

You can boost it by connecting higher level ports to it via rail

[dreamy otter]

please remove the coal 🙏 😭

[little cloak]

Why?

[wise oxide]

what year is it

and how many factories

[vast shore]

Picture of Ma Hongkui (Leader of Ningxia Ma) with his wife eating ice cream

[crimson tartan]

bro

[vast shore]

he is not wrong

[fresh cedar]

Was like 1958

[vast shore]

Not really pacific now, is it

[fresh cedar]

Acronym is PUSSR, and я in Russian is basically Ya, so terrible name lol

[vast shore]

Terribly great you mean

[fresh cedar]

I guess

Still, needing 150K+ coal for 8500 factories is insane

[vast shore]

I like

[hushed lion]

Still don't understand why they always use soviet instead of council

[stable tusk]

Because Soviet is the Russian name for council and then it eventually became synonymous with communism

[somber hatch]

Does partitioning czechoslovakia with Hungary make france create its own alliance?

[hushed lion]

Who are you playing as?

[somber hatch]

Germany

[hushed lion]

Like if Czechoslovakia refuses the sudetenland it would join whatever faction France is in however it shouldn't make a faction if France isn't in one

They would just join the war via the guarantee

[somber hatch]

No france made its own faction

Czechoslovakia was split between me and Hungary

Without a war

[hushed lion]

What is the faction called?

[somber hatch]

"French alliance"

[hushed lion]

Sounds like a generic faction name so it probably wasn't done via the focus tree so, are they at war with anyone? And if they are is there another country on their side of the war that they made it with?

[somber hatch]

No they're at peace

Yugoslavia is in the faction though

[hushed lion]

Is world tension high?

Also is it on historical?

[somber hatch]

35% and on historical

[hushed lion]

Honestly no clue

But given how new factions work chances are they are going to join the allies anyways when you go to war with them (while being at war with Britain of course)

[somber hatch]

Rip

[torpid snow]

French alliance appear when france disprove what germany do to czechia

[somber hatch]

Oh okay

[torpid snow]

And so if they are not in the alliés or any big democratic alliance, they make there own

[somber hatch]

I could've sworn they joined the allies

[torpid snow]

France always make it's own faction when they refuse german dikat to the czech if they don't are in any

[hushed lion]

Huh that's new never seen them do they before

[torpid snow]

If they are not already in there, nope. Only if they make the "little entente" they can mixup the two faction and join the allies

[hushed lion]

Well the thing is Czechoslovakia was partitioned no?

[torpid snow]

It's there since, about maybe 3 year, surely more

[hushed lion]

I've only seen them join the war with Czechoslovakia but never make a faction

[torpid snow]

It normally automatic, it's in the code source of the game

"If France condemns German ambition in Czechoslovakia, they will automatically form this faction with Czechoslovakia."

My bad*

[torpid snow]

Maybe france don't condamn, but because of the garentee, they go to war, in that case maybe yeah they don't make a faction

[somber hatch]

Eh france never joined the allies so they gone now

[brave oracle]

bro how does this navy work

no assessible regions wtf

[stable tusk]

You need to change your headquarters

[torpid snow]

Oohhhh

But can you make a head quarter far from home ? Like being in EU and make a head quarter in a allié territory in asia ?

[thick edge]

Nvm I think so

[rich light]

There are already hq's in Asia

The US has 2 of them in the Pacific

[torpid snow]

humm

[wise oxide]

update today?

the coal update

[manic flint]

Yes

[mental onyx]

Please be today

[wispy peak]

Epic link doesnt work for me lol

[wet stag]

Which link?

[wispy peak]

The new update link getting a http 406 error code lol, probably will fix itself

[wet stag]

https://pdxint.at/3XTgVYF -- this one?

[wispy peak]

Yeah that one

No biggie ill wait for the steam one to drop 👍

[wet stag]

Thanks for letting us know! It's working on our end, is anybody else having issues?

[wispy peak]

Wait I just figured it out, had a VPN on so paused it and the link works now. VPN likely caused a false error code to flag so nothings wrong.

[vast shore]

Man

[wispy peak]

Just if anyone has a VPN on and wants to view that they need to pause/disconnect it

[wet stag]

Not a problem at all, you gave me a fright for a second! 🤣

[vast shore]

I liked Coal implementation how it used to be :(

[wispy peak]

Imo it was a little TOO punishing in the early game for nations that didnt have it

[vast shore]

Why do they have to bow to bitching players who'd prefer if the system wasn't there in the first place

[wispy peak]

And made Navy LARP harder because its already insanely expensive nvm if coals making it run slower

[vast shore]

See that is fine

But reading the patch notes

its clear they're universally buffing coal

[wispy peak]

I wouldnt be quite so sure what they are buffing is energy gain per coal

Which means nations like Italy with limited access

Can actually fuel their industry somewhat, I didnt like playing italy and having to trade near 20 civs for coal

It was alright if you had enough coal it would only smack you late game which was the intention of the system

But as a minor or even Italy a major with limited coal it was quite constricting

That and I vehemontly hate having pop ups telling me my industry isnt running smoothly lol

[vast shore]

I never had issues

As a minor

this patch

[hushed lion]

Kalmykia can now do greater Mongolia

[wise oxide]

when releasing?

[wet stag]

The patch is out! ^^

[fresh cedar]

Is it?

[vital bane]

hi the map filter is still not fixed yet

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/naval-maps-color-filter-has-been-wrongly-used-on-default-map-mode.1881787/

[fresh cedar]

I can’t see the new buildings they mentioned or any change in coal

Is it only with new games?

[rotund cargo]

Are you sure you are on the correct version AND/or not using any mods?

Because if you are using specific mods, they may have set overriding of the vanilla path files

[fresh cedar]

Is it a beta or in the live game?

[hollow lion]

Pretty sure some of these are new energy-related variables, this is the live

[rotund cargo]

Live

[fresh cedar]

Is this tech or actually on map buildings?

[rotund cargo]

Building, buildable on the map

In the shared slot, so with other factories etc.

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think my game has updated then

[vital bane]

hey sir, i really hope you can check this issue out because this is really annoying for mods, this didnt exist before 1.17

[fresh cedar]

Though I have auto updates enabled for it on Steam and didn’t see any update come for it

[vital bane]

sure my game is updated

[hollow lion]

Mine says updated 1:53PM

[rotund cargo]

Restart steam, steam can be sometimes sluggish when it comes to noticing updates

[fresh cedar]

Good point

Really want to compare coal usage before and after.

Bc this is criminal 😂

[rotund cargo]

Those are the new buildings

[fresh cedar]

Oh yeah I didn’t see them oof

[vital bane]

not convenient to open vanilla but this issue just exist in the new order, and ruined game experience (former screenshot is current land map, latter screensht is resource map that is what it supposed to be like)

the reason why i post TNO issue here is because im sure its related with vanilla

[fresh cedar]

TNO was always dark asf for me tbh

[hollow lion]

I think the energy use per factory and scaling hasnt been changed that much, though of course the buildings/cap will affect things

[fresh cedar]

Thought it was exponential before whereas now it scales consistently

[hollow lion]

That I wouldnt know

If I see correctly youd need 255 factories to reach the consumption cap per factory

[rotund cargo]

Yes, so now factories at certain point will no longer increase the consumption per factory

[fresh cedar]

Is Anarchism still at the brutal energy usage of 35%?

Verifying HOI4 files before restating Steam and it’s taking ages 😭

[vast shore]

So lame

[hollow lion]

(still) 45% it seems

[vital bane]

hi, am i muted?

[fresh cedar]

Tbh, since Japan can core Asia now for 50 pp per state, and 45% compliance (with daily compliance buffs) anarchism should get buffed too

By either getting more PP a day, lower compliance coring, or daily compliance

Since it flat out is just more expensive to have an anarchist economy

New Economic Policy got nerfed by energy too, it’s sad

Coal before

Coal after

Game changing

These new energy buildings are extremely impactful. Tested it on Tokyo which was using 124 power. I built the energy grid, now uses 72.

My only gripe is they take a build slot and don’t work like state infrastructure. But they’re very useful

So with a reactor and electrical grid. Tokyo’s energy demand went from 124, to 3. 😮‍💨

[rocky escarp]

I've been trying to add and remove the high capacity electric grid from each state and after the first time it's constructed the resource extraction number doesn't change
I wanna verify which states cross the threshold into having more resources from the modifier and which states don't because apparently I can't trust the number on the build screen

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think it impacts resource extraction. Just lowers energy usage by -7.50% per infrastructure level, so with a max of like -37.5%

[rocky escarp]

the other building

not the reinforced electric grid you been testing

[fresh cedar]

Oooh

Yeah let me test that

Worked for me

Before

After

[rocky escarp]

remove the building

see what happens

[fresh cedar]

Oh I see

It retains value.

[fresh cedar]

So with the new “High capacity electrical grid” upon destroying the building in a state, the state retains the buff.

[rocky escarp]

guess how much additional iron, tungsten, chromium I will get by doing this:

[fresh cedar]

So players can build it, destroy it and still have the buffs

[fresh cedar]

If you replace it with another building the buff seems to get lost

[rocky escarp]

that's right: 1 tungsten, 23 steel, 2 chromium

(ignore coal, I didn't max it out in this screenshot)

[wide bear]

what is the IC cost?

[rocky escarp]

12000

[fresh cedar]

12000 which sounds like a lot but is only like double the cost of infrastructure

[wide bear]

that's not bad

[fresh cedar]

Though for a -37.5% energy reduction or 50% extra resources. It’s worth

[wide bear]

at max infrastructure

[fresh cedar]

With a reactor and electrical grid you can basically eliminate energy cost

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[wide bear]

good for kaiserreich then

[fresh cedar]

Allows for building tall

[wide bear]

factory counts are generally higher there while the coal not so much

[fresh cedar]

As far as I’m concerned these changes completely fixed the late game coal issue

I’ll have to play areas that lack coal like South America or the middleast to see if it’s enough

Or if oil should offset coal usage

Choosing between using less energy or having more resources is such a cool dynamic change

[wide bear]

makes getting max infrastructure better

[fresh cedar]

Mhm

[cobalt sage]

Why havent they fixed how raj doesnt break free from uk when uk goes facist or monarchist

it messes up my iran games

and why isnt there a cooldown on calling people to wars

like lets say iraq joins the allies the millisecond i declare why do they get to start ww3 with no consequence or hesitation by the allies

and can they change joining faction requirements if you and another faction are fighting the same enemy but you cant join them because youre technically in an offensive war and they dont take aggressor nations, which you cant do anything about in that stage of war, esp if youre fighting america over iraq or smth

[cosmic falcon]

How do we feel about this latest patch?

[fresh cedar]

Very cool and useful changes. Late game coal no longer an issue. Can strategically choose which states are more efficient for energy. AND can boost resources in states now by a lot, which is insanely useful

[twilit jolt]

Two of the bugs I've reported were fixed which is pretty cool

[fresh cedar]

I like having resources and energy be strategic

[cobalt sage]

how do you report bugs

[twilit jolt]

Foruma

[fresh cedar]

Blood sweat and tears on the forum

It’s a whole process

[cobalt sage]

oh god

[fresh cedar]

You need evidence, what mods you ran, how to recreate the bug etc

[quasi harbor]

Probably why bugs rarely get fixed in hoi4

No one has the patience to survive the report process

[twilit jolt]

Timing matters as well

If you report bugs from content from before the current patch, good luck lol

[fresh cedar]

My mindset

[twilit jolt]

I've reported a AAT bug when either Gotterdammerung or GoE came out and I think it's still there

[fresh cedar]

Imagine their secondary team just fixed bugs

[fresh cedar]

Or like the eternal bug where you can’t click into the war screen

Before and after new building

[quasi harbor]

I would rather have bug fixes and small in game logic improvements, than GoE

What is the new building?

[fresh cedar]

There’s two. You can only have 1 in a state so have to choose. One decreases energy usage in a state by 37.5%. The other increase resource extraction by 50%. (If you have max infrastructure)

Is 7.5% energy and 10% resource for each lvl of infra

So you basically choose if you want a state to be less power hungry or more resource producing

[quasi harbor]

Do they have names?

[fresh cedar]

They do, can’t name them off the top of my head

[quasi harbor]

Im guessing now we need to prioritise industry states from resource states

[fresh cedar]

One is like Electrical Grid

[quasi harbor]

Instead of just putting everything on the same state and enjoying the inf boost

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[quasi harbor]

Makes sense

[fresh cedar]

Makes building a bit more strategic and thoughtful which I like

[quasi harbor]

Are they gonna troll and make the new buildings a part of NCNS?

[fresh cedar]

And if you use Civ nuclear reactors with the new electrical grid you can negate like 87.5% of energy usage in a state

[fresh cedar]

I hope not 😂

[dense gale]

The new buildings are absolutely dogshit lol

They cost 12k ic

The only way u will benefit from them is if u build them in 1945 😂

It’s cheaper to build civs to buy coal

[fresh cedar]

Just double the cost of Infra. Meant for late game. Absolutely not dogshit lol, they lowered my energy in a state from 124 to 72. And raise resources by a lot

[cobalt sage]

isnt that the point

[dense gale]

Than build the power plant

[fresh cedar]

They’re meant for late game 😂

[cobalt sage]

why not both

[dense gale]

To reduce energy usage

[dense gale]

No

Because they nerfed resources from infra

Ur paying 12k ic for slightly more resources

[fresh cedar]

They literally make South America and the Middleast playable. As well as allow you to have more than 300-500 factories unlike before

[dense gale]

Than what you would already have

[dense gale]

Where did u get that idea

Countries with next to no civs

U do know the power plant cost more to build than a civ

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/commercial-snickers-cranky-gif-5478685

[fresh cedar]

I like building tall so it’s good for me 🙂

[dense gale]

Not my fault ur math are god terrible

The buildings are terrible value

[quasi harbor]

"Industrial Concern now provides 6 Coal and Increases Coal Gain Efficiency by 5%."

Yupi

[fresh cedar]

37.5% energy reduction and 50% resource extraction terrible?

[dense gale]

25% more resource compared to previously

For 12k ic more per state

[dense gale]

Truly a great trade

[fresh cedar]

On stacked states it’s cracked

[dense gale]

It’s not lol

[fresh cedar]

It’s meant to be strategic not spam over entire earth

[dense gale]

U get similar outputs pre change

On resources

No one was asking pdx to nerf resources

[quasi harbor]

Are those both with lvl 5 infrastructure?

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[dense gale]

His comparing it to new infra

Old infra was way stronger

[quasi harbor]

Old infra is dead

[dense gale]

And give similar output

[dense gale]

Yea but old infra was cheap and good

[quasi harbor]

Those are stats that no longer exist

[fresh cedar]

You have to actually be strategic now and not just get infinite resources as any country 😭

[dense gale]

Wtf are u on

Everyone run out of resource in late game

With conversion

[fresh cedar]

Do you need a hug?

[faint parrot]

oh no

[dense gale]

Have u played sheep mod

[faint parrot]

skill!

[dense gale]

Or any other mod that makes the ai smarter

[quasi harbor]

Hoi4 players biggest fear is having to think

Battleplan with space marines goes brrr

[fresh cedar]

Murk just wants infinite resources without zero work while spamming meta div and exploiting BP

[dense gale]

You do know the nerf to resource

[fresh cedar]

Avg MP mindset

[fresh cedar]

They need to nerf your anger

[dense gale]

Incentives battleplannining right

Gun is cheap on resource

Tank is expensive on resource

[wise oxide]

'

[faint parrot]

but tank cheaper with Manpower

[wise oxide]

this new?

[dense gale]

It doesn’t matter if u don’t take hp losses

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[wise oxide]

very nice

[quasi harbor]

Electrons

[fresh cedar]

Tbh since I don’t play bullshit MP or mods that force space marine. I really enjoy this update

[dense gale]

Ur joking

Each to their own

But this is absolute dogshit game design

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/game-club-fish-penguin-fishing-gif-7200609575832523738

[lavish ginkgo]

Taking the Guominjin focus doesn't give Feng as a general.

[fresh cedar]

Idk why but this collection of words is very comical

[quasi harbor]

Deng

[fresh cedar]

How would you change it?

[wise oxide]

china getting its airforce back is a huge buff

[dense gale]

Revert infra

[wise oxide]

it will destroy all warlords

[dense gale]

And nerf resource power plant and reduce cost

[fresh cedar]

To like lvl 10 infra?

[wise oxide]

why

[dense gale]

Because no minor

Has 12k ic

[fresh cedar]

You want the 37.5% to be less?

[wise oxide]

good?

[fresh cedar]

Or you mean the 50% one

[wise oxide]

nerf minors

[fresh cedar]

Like instead of 50% extra resource, then what?

[dense gale]

Make it 30

[fresh cedar]

So like irl, minors can’t just insta build any public works project that they want 😭

[dense gale]

And make it 9k ic per state

The larp

Is more important than the playability 😂

It’s not even an mp thing

[fresh cedar]

Have you played with it yet?

[dense gale]

Mp will just mod whatever changes pdx did

[quasi harbor]

How much Ic is a commercial nuclear plant

[fresh cedar]

Like 30-35k

[wise oxide]

play on very easy if you love minors

[dense gale]

It’s about the experience for the average player

[fresh cedar]

Why nerf the resource extraction if you just said it wasn’t enough. Seems contradictory

[dense gale]

I’m saying it’s a nerf to the average player

[wise oxide]

good lmao

[quasi harbor]

12k ic is not that much

[dense gale]

Because old infra was good enough

[dense gale]

It’s almost 1.5x the cost of a civ

The new power plant should be a bonus

[fresh cedar]

I’m normally a player who builds infra. Which to get from 1-5 is like what, 24k ic? And for half that I can give large buffs to a state

Doesn’t seem like a lot to me

[dense gale]

Infra also boost construction speed

[fresh cedar]

Plus I’m not building them in every state

[wise oxide]

does ai build these?

[dense gale]

Obv not lol

Who are u kidding

[quasi harbor]

Probably wont lol

[fresh cedar]

These buildings seem strategic, like you’d place in maybe 10-35% of your states

[wise oxide]

so its ai resource nerf

and player buff late game

[dense gale]

And say of u have 50 states

[quasi harbor]

Ai is too challenged to understand that it can get more resources by building stuff

[dense gale]

Player nerf early game

And a slight buff late game

[wise oxide]

well mid game if you can do economy properly

[dense gale]

And not many player on hoi4 play past 45

[dense gale]

Hoi4 is a scaling game

[quasi harbor]

If i go past 45 then im probably heading to the 60's

[dense gale]

The more u conquer the more u win

[wise oxide]

exactly

[dense gale]

The mid and late game don’t exist

Which is why the new power plant are ass

Hoi4 is decided by how well u do in 36 to 38

[fresh cedar]

If you dislike them, then why not just ignore them. How does it impact you

[dense gale]

The rest is just how well u can map paint

[dense gale]

Because I play single player???

And it does impact me

[fresh cedar]

And you normally play minors with zero industry?

[dense gale]

Because infra is nerfed

[quasi harbor]

Ai is too crippled to even make a difference

They shoot themselves in the foot all the time

[dense gale]

It’s not just minors

The ai will have less resource for u to trade

Because the ai will never build such buildings

[fresh cedar]

By like 5% to 15 from 20 right?

[dense gale]

And their infra won’t give as much resource

[wide bear]

i doubt the 5% would matter that much

[dense gale]

It’s 5% gone per level

[wide bear]

and ai rarely builds infrastructure

[dense gale]

It’s 25% on l5

[fresh cedar]

So 20-25% less

[dense gale]

But they start with infra alr

[wide bear]

which is 2-3

[quasi harbor]

We neef an ai update

Make them smart

[fresh cedar]

So with the new resource, it’s about an extra 25% then. I don’t see the issue

[dense gale]

In general there will be 10-15% less resource from the ai

To trade for

[fresh cedar]

I’ll have to play to see if AI utilizes them

[dense gale]

It’s insane people don’t see the issue

[fresh cedar]

I imagine eventually they will

[wide bear]

doubt a little 10-15% matters that much

[dense gale]

U will be affected by the infra change no matter what

[quasi harbor]

No aluminium?

Womp womp

[fresh cedar]

I think instead of relying on ai infinite resources without resource cheese. You’ll have to be a bit more self sufficient now

Would be nice if you could build these in allied territory

Literally my only gripe is it taking a build slot

[wide bear]

if a state produces 20 tungsten

assuming on export

you are just gonna see 1 less tungsten on their trade

[fresh cedar]

Meanwhile, you can get extra resources now

[wide bear]

maybe it adds up eventually

[fresh cedar]

I’ll have to see mid to late game trades.

Shouldn’t effect early game as much imo

[wide bear]

but if they are producing a significant amount of resources for the new change to be impactful

then they are already producing a lot already lol

unless you are buying all these resources then it doesn't impact you that much

[fresh cedar]

All ik is the update fixed mega snowball energy usage

[quasi harbor]

If a state used to make 100 aluminium at inf 5, you'll see only 75 now (without new building)

[wide bear]

ai or player

[fresh cedar]

Which seems brutal but I’ll really have to see it in practice

[wide bear]

ai rarely builds up to infrastructure 5

[fresh cedar]

Or 125 aluminum with the new building?

[dense gale]

For 12k more ic😂

[fresh cedar]

Yeah but as a player corrects any shortfalls and lets you be more self sufficient. Small price to pay for salvation

[wide bear]

that's only a little more than a civ

[dense gale]

It’s a nerf to repources

[fresh cedar]

IMO it’s more impactful than a civ

[dense gale]

When people are alr complaining about a lack of them

[wide bear]

yeah

so is the energy reduction building

[quasi harbor]

Ham? The new building gives a 66% resource buff?

[fresh cedar]

If anything the map just needs more resource deposits. Not necessarily deeper ones

[dense gale]

It’s not because u need those ic to build mils too

Now u have to build the civ and the mil

And the power plant

[wide bear]

2 mils for a building that cuts down your energy usage by 1/3 in a state is quite a steal

[dense gale]

U are building more stuff with the same ic

[fresh cedar]

113*

[wide bear]

saves up some civs needed for trade

[dense gale]

Which mean they will take longer

[wide bear]

IF you were already trading for coal

[dense gale]

As said in the forum comment

U can buy coal with cov

And still be ahead of the energy power plant

[fresh cedar]

If it has too negative an impact they’ll probably just roll back infra resource nerf

I have to play with it more to determine

I mean the point of this dlc was to add scarcity and encourage conquest

[quasi harbor]

But factory cost coal to work

[wide bear]

the coal affects minors more than majors tbh

[fresh cedar]

Isn’t that kind of logical though? Minors lack resources

I wouldn’t expect every country to have its base demands met at start

Without trade

[wide bear]

just an extra thing to waste a civ on

on top of needing to buy resources

[thick edge]

Italy 🥀

[fresh cedar]

Minors kinda build tall more often the majors as it is

So these buildings help with that

[wide bear]

in a mod like kaiserreich where there's more factories in general

[quasi harbor]

Minors can now get 6 coal from industrial thingy

[wide bear]

playing as a minor is so ass

[fresh cedar]

This update can make you reduce energy usage by 87.5% per state as opposed to 25% before

[dense gale]

This is especially terrible in kr

Kr have less resources

[fresh cedar]

Why?

[dense gale]

And more factories

[wide bear]

i am ireland

[dense gale]

Because kr mod their own resources in

[fresh cedar]

Sounds like KR needs to be updated

[wide bear]

i have around 68 factories

[quasi harbor]

Kr devs add their own resources

[wide bear]

i start with 10 coal

[quasi harbor]

Thats up to them

[wide bear]

50% goes to trade

which does absolutely nothing

so i only have 5 coal to use myself

how much coal does one factory use again?

[quasi harbor]

I played KR russia and 1/3 of my coal had to be imported from the US

[fresh cedar]

Idk just seems like KR in general needs tweaks

I stopped playing it bc buffs stacks too high for some countries

[quasi harbor]

They usually have expand resource mines decisions, but im guessing the coal ones havent hit

[wide bear]

there are btw

there used to be decisions to expand 'coal' mines which gave steel

now it gives coal instead but

uh

[fresh cedar]

Wish the whole resource mining mechanic was more in depth

Akin to building infra but for select resources

While decision based ones are easier. Feels meh

[wide bear]

[quasi harbor]

Riches of another world

[wide bear]

that

is mainly because of content age tbh

powercreep is the word for it

[fresh cedar]

At-least vanilla HOI4 is generally okay at revising it

[brittle venture]

thats not the same as content age

[fresh cedar]

KR just didn’t

[brittle venture]

powercreep is more and more powerful buffs every update

[fresh cedar]

Like atleast Argentina does have like 28% div atk anymore

Though the 20% Japan inf attack needs a nerf

[fresh cedar]

For 2 coal? 😭

[wide bear]

well new updates do the updated country stronger buffs

maybe not powercreep

but it does get better

for example russian and us MIOs are strong as hell while the other vanilla ones are weaker in comparison

[wide bear]

yeah

coal update hurts the mod since on top of more factories

i think the resource locations are the same as vanilla

[fresh cedar]

Love the lore of KR. But needs to be streamlined and balanced

[wide bear]

so russia suffers because half of the ussr's coal is in ukraine

while ukraine is indepedent in kr

[wise oxide]

ai built it

[wide bear]

eastern minors also have no resources

but they need other resources like steel and etc to build their military to hold against russia

now instead of a civ going to trade more steel for more guns it's a civ going to trade for more coal to not suffer a penalty

ai also sucks at building economy so minors take a hit

[fresh cedar]

Hell yeah

[wise oxide]

coal is not a problem for ai usa but... it had to build alot of expensive grids so im happy kinda

[quasi harbor]

Honestly, its not so bad, its called strategy. If coal was never a problem then there would be no point in implementing it

[wise oxide]

• usa nolonger buys 1trillion coal around the world

[wide bear]

it's probably less of an issue in vanilla

since poland isn't gonna have 100 factories by 1940

or some baltic country having 50 factories

[wise oxide]

what is this paradox

[wide bear]

one thing i'd hope in a future update though

are the names of puppets

[quasi harbor]

A better world

[wise oxide]

carrying

[wide bear]

british italy or french germany does not have the feel to it

[quasi harbor]

Also no Hungary so W

[wide bear]

and better releasing mechanics so you can draw your own puppet's borders

[quasi harbor]

Yes, but we all know thats only going to happen in 2030

[wise oxide]

poor poland got denied of coal

post ww2 asia

[thick edge]

Poor Poland

Always getting abused

[wise oxide]

bruh why red taiwan

[stable tusk]

So the Nationalists can't run away to there ofc

[wise oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[wise oxide]

biblically accurate post war japan flag??

[oblique stirrup]

will be hard to play like this ... icons are not good, impossible to put railways ...

[hollow lion]

Vanilla added 2 buildings, breaking the GFX for every mod that adds buildings or reskins them

[wise oxide]

this is such a cool war

[lost torrent]

wtf is this??

[stable tusk]

New building that reduces energy you need

[hushed lion]

They must add a historical treaties setting

[wise oxide]

fr i would love accurate and realistic scripted treaties

[lost torrent]

did this come with the original dlc update?

or is this new

[stable tusk]

It literally came today