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[unreal beacon]

Reddit ass argument

It's not "Energy System" it's just coal

[rocky escarp]

Fair point

[unreal beacon]

There is no energy system

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/coal-coal-alarm-alarm-gem-cringe-gif-12659343827939057679

[unreal beacon]

If there was you could use coal

And oil

And dams and nuclear

But you cant

[rocky escarp]

Thoughts on this? Someone didthemath and decided oil power plant needs min. 8 oil to fuel

[unreal beacon]

Paradox is based because no matter how much nuclear you build you still need a lil coal

A based based

This poor game is now just even bigger mess and a joke

[rocky escarp]

Apparently next patch in 1.17.2? you combine dam with nuclear and get -100% energy consumption

[unreal beacon]

We wont implement oil power plants because its too much 😭

Bro Japan rework and still no proper pearl harbor in december smh my head

Its like when you dig a hole in a wrong place

[rocky escarp]

I knew they would be convincing no one by saying

oil fulfills an existing game function and we intended to keep this separation for now.

[unreal beacon]

And instead of filling it up and digging it in correct place, you just make it bigger and say look, its a much better hole now!

[unreal beacon]

They should hand development to me or to literally anyone who doesn't use reddit as main source of feedback and this game would THRIVE

[rocky escarp]

HOI IV has the worst of both ways for railroading

Too limited and fixed in what can happen
Focus lengths and AI routing means you get imprecise timings

Germany can invade Czecho-Slovakia in November 1938

It was better before GDR lol

Like all the power I get for having an extra month or so to build up

But dumb as hell

Game doesn't even represent this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudeten_German_uprising

If Peace for our Time doesn't have this I have no faith in PDX's modder choices

[autumn breach]

a gorilla would do a better job than the current team XD

[polar jasper]

I do agree oil should be used to help with needing coal

I also think Dams and reactors should effect nearby states as well

[rocky escarp]

Dams yes because the game unrealistically keeps dams in one state while all the stuff it powered irl is in another state

Reactors maybe but I dunno how prevalent the national electrical grid is in the timeframe

[hollow palm]

I wish that Africa had finally gained some value through coal.

[hollow palm]

Good point

[rocky escarp]

Well yeah if you changed nuclear and dam localisations to 'reduction in coal consumption' modifier then it would basically be the same as if the word energy was never in the gane

[hushed lion]

Why does paradox refuse to give Africa resources

[hollow palm]

I think the nations that start with colonies would probably be too powerful to balance the game. This problem could certainly be solved in other ways, though. Imo Paradox is simply too lazy to develop a decent game.

Other than that idk tbh

[safe plover]

Yeah and japan doesnt do the suiyan campain focus in historical (it failed historically, but its still ridiclous japan doesnt try it) and the surrender after the second nuke also doesnt work. And yeah the hole coal system is bs anyways

[rocky escarp]

Civilian Nuclear Power is too out of timeframe to be coal replacement argument followed by
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ncns-upcoming-coal-adjustments.1881893/post-30941392

In that perspective, I think having the effect tied to the local state is more than proper approximation, and actually can become much more powerful, than providing just some amount of Energy.

I mean I'll hold my thoughts until I personally determine if energy consumption modifier > energy production in any circumstance but...

[safe plover]

Its a bs argument , since yeah civillian nuclear power is only avaiable in like 1944

[rocky escarp]

They cited 1954 reactor 'only' 5MW in the reply as well

In 1956 the Brits made a 50 MW reactor that would go on to produce 200 MW

[fresh cedar]

Usually making them by 1946+

[fresh cedar]

If anything, there should be reactors in the tech tree with the ability to research further ones after you do the special project. Like radar

[safe plover]

crazy opinion here= remove coal

like if u rlly wanna stop late game scale just add consumer good modifiers the more factories u have

[rocky escarp]

That doesn't sound like something people can intuitively plan around

Although it's not like coal/energy system is much less spreadsheet-heavy to optimise for

[drifting star]

There should be specialized mills

Doesn’t make sense that any factory can produce aircraft

[safe plover]

I mean u dont need to plan around since there will still never be a reason to stop building factories it just means that if u have 1000 factories it takes longer

also there never was a reason to stop late game scale anyways, bc it rlly only effects single player

[rocky escarp]

No you need to plan around so you fit in more civs to fill up consumer goods

[safe plover]

no early mills are basically always better then more mills later so u wouldnt rlly care and at some point just convert all civs to mills

[rocky escarp]

You'd still need to spreadsheet to figure out max IC for a given time

[safe plover]

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PiECE OF COAL IN THE CONGO WTF

irl they have more coal then italy , like wtf is pdx smoking

[turbid stream]

Is the "coal techs" in the industry tree already in the game?

[safe plover]

no

[turbid stream]

Ok

[rocky escarp]

It's great that I don't have to use up research time to get equipment conversion speed (which has niche use without tank/air designer anyway), but I dunno if it really placates any of the coal system concerns

[safe plover]

italy also is now completely dogshit, they have 7 coal and cant increase it

wtf

[rocky escarp]

Did they seriously think resource extraction efficiency from tech and other modifiers was what could cover for all the nations that can't prospect coal?

[rocky escarp]

In this entire conversation I forgot the devs actually think that people would spend the political power to demobilise economy laws

[thick edge]

Historical btw

[pastel flume]

I do like they are making nuclear reactors have a buff and include dams as another way for powering factories, but wouldn't it make sense to be able to use oil aswell?

[rocky escarp]

It would make sense to have an ability to use oil for energy
But it's something that someone determined requires like 8 oil units minimum to even fire up a whole power plant (see what I've set the reply to)

So while they should add it to the game, most people overestimate how useful oil power would be in a 1936-1949 timeframe

Although it is silly that I make a megacampaign conversion from Vic3 and all my oil power station progress is wiped

[wise oxide]

iwo jima is so silly huge make it small or give it a second province for that battle

[rocky escarp]

Well second province is an interesting take

[fading talon]

maybe adding like uranium as a resource to use for both nukes and power idk

[polar jasper]

No, reactors already help with power consumption

[safe plover]

even russia cant sustain the coal wtf on limited eco btw

[fading talon]

according to wikipedia, the ussr only had like a quarter of the coal germany had

[undone kelp]

I wonder if that is over the course of the war, and is inclusive of Germany’s territorial gains from 1939-1942, or is only looking at Germany’s pre-1939 borders.

[fading talon]

it seems to be the total

and then i'd imagine it includes all territories occupied by each power

[safe plover]

sure but was coal ever a resource the ussr missed?

[wooden wyvern]

didnt germany have a lot of coal in places like silesia

i thought their bigger struggle was oil

[rocky escarp]

So turns out if I stay on Partial Mobilisation economy law even with max factories I never need to change my trade law or prospect any coal to make sure I don't run out (Czecho-Slovakia)

[polar bronze]

Germany had coal, USSR had oil

[rocky escarp]

War Economy is manageable too

and I still don't need prospect decisions when excavation techs do all the job

of course for steel resource reasons you never stay on export focus, but still funny how self-sufficient tall Czecho-Slovakia is

[hollow lion]

Poland is another minor country that has lots too

[rocky escarp]

Poland has like eight more starting states (18 in total) than Czecho-Slovakia's 10

Not all states are made equal but Poland while never expanding can definitely max out above 99 factories

[fading talon]

what does this mean

i have a fleet in manila

[heavy bolt]

change ur naval base

[fading talon]

ohhhhh i see it\

basing missions out of

[heavy bolt]

paradox really should make it auto set by default

[fading talon]

yeah; it also feels like range got nerfed quite a bit

[polar jasper]

Me who already ctrl right clicked before because that is what I thought you had to do

It is nice they thought of giving an automate feature though

[vast shore]

Really based Paradox moment

[vast shore]

Ruhr my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/mine-miners-gif-11152593

Whatever haters say

I really love coal in its current state

[fading talon]

i'm sure you're not biased at all

[vast shore]

While true

I only usually play minors

So crippling majors, nice

[fading talon]

i think coal needs better scaling, because the guy kinda had a point about russia running out of coal

[vast shore]

When they added coal

I was worried they'd make it useless

I am happy it isnt

[fading talon]

the naval range rework is taxing

i didn't have enough naval range to invade from panama to western chile

and i had '44 tech too

[vast shore]

Did you upgrade the base?

[fading talon]

i think so

[vast shore]

Including with naval supply hubs?

[fading talon]

probably not

considering that i only just learned that i had to manually move my fleet base

i still have to learn this dlc

my fleet was physically in panama, but the ui said missions based from SF

[crimson tartan]

wikipedia
bro

[fading talon]

i wasn't aware you were a middle school teacher

[crimson tartan]

sure boy

[solid gyro]

I trust wikipedia

[crimson tartan]

bad for you

but i do not blame you

[coral drift]

Too many "citations needed" for my liking

[vast shore]

You are indonesian

[crimson tartan]

ofc citations is needed cuz this data is straight up from someone's head

[coral drift]

At least the page for Ernest Douwes Dekker is properly cited :3

[vast shore]

Never heard of him

[coral drift]

I need to finish Van Mook's page on IDWiki for God's sake

[coral drift]

You'll know him when TaoG comes

(i hope)

[vast shore]

Bold of you to assume I leave the comfy space of Warlord China

[gaunt dagger]

After the update, how do you build an effective patrol fleet?

[hollow lion]

The bigger the ship, the more efficiently it contributes supremacy compared to their cost

Except for superheavy's

[peak flame]

Speed matters too. A lot.

[hollow lion]

Does that modify the value at all or do you mean for them to actually survive? The 2nd part I hadnt thought about

[steep ivy]

well Paradox is getting roasted in the forums about the coal issue. suits them right. I warned them about why Coal was a bad idea and turnms out I was right

[vocal ivy]

its not that bad of an idea

just needs balancing

or just use fuel instead of coal or something

[vast shore]

I like the current state of coal

[vocal ivy]

the point is to stop mega 1000 factory builds

[steep ivy]

Yes it is. I knew immediately that this would nerf minors as well.and they clearly did not test this

[vast shore]

My minor experiences have been fine

[vocal ivy]

i think they just need to add more coal throughout the map

[vast shore]

And Ive seen majors be more affected

[vocal ivy]

yeah it almost screwed me over as japan

[vast shore]

Honestly just give every nation like 5 off map coal and call it a day

[vast shore]

Unironically good

Thats how it should be

[steep ivy]

And proper testing would have shown that. Theu clearly didn't

[vast shore]

Lol

[vocal ivy]

i mean true it incentivizes me to expand

[vast shore]

Its obvious they didn't Test from the unnoticed MP bug!

[vocal ivy]

and the point of the wars were for resources

so its pretty historically accurate ig

[vast shore]

And incentive for China to hold to drain your resources!

Incentive for the US to embargo you

etc etc

The list goes on

[vocal ivy]

i hope hoi5 has a cool economy system

[arctic wyvern]

hi team

[vocal ivy]

but like simpler then eu5

and vic 3

[steep ivy]

Yes but you shouldn't be crippled this way. Note well before this i played Iraq and has issues with steel and no one to really trade with

[arctic wyvern]

I am from Iraq

where to find a Multiplayer server?

[vast shore]

Go to steam, hover over library, click on downloads, on the download screen on the top right there is a settings icon ⚙️ click on that and change your download region to something European or Russian, once done close it (it will ask you to restart steam but just click "later") and now start hoi4

That way you see European/Russian Servers

[rocky escarp]

So go from 10 base energy generation (1.1111111.. coal) to at least 54 base energy generation?

[autumn breach]

ironic the dlc/update that adds coal is coal itself

[low plover]

will the coal adjustment patch coming also break save game??

[vast shore]

Like that

Or whatever gives most minors enough

or maybe they could increase it per year

[rocky escarp]

They didn't announce coal resource changes on the map so not sure what other changes would break

Maybe new techs? Probably more resilient than that

Although other things than map changes can break the save

[wispy peak]

The new techs are one announcement that gives more energy per coal

They said they didnt want to add more coal

I still think civ reactors should produce some energy personally but

[rotund cargo]

Unless something would go horribly wrong, it should be 100% save compatible. We are always aiming for having and maintaining save game compatibility between non-release patches

[alpine wagon]

How come im getting strikes despite having 98% war support?

[hushed lion]

Low stability

Also doesnt low war support give draft dodging? Not strikes

[harsh hull]

Yep

Low stability leads to domestic issues, low war support leads to military issues

[alpine wagon]

mb

[low plover]

Ok, thx!

[rotund cargo]

You are below 50% stability

[broken horizon]

first they make a faction with Shanxi they leave it make a new one with USA tf is this???

[faint parrot]

china onto smth

[broken horizon]

china too much opium using

[faint parrot]

your playing no historic right

[broken horizon]

yup

[wise oxide]

ty for coal paradox

add grain next plz

[hollow lion]

Just like coal you have the issue that that scales with internal demand to a certain extent

[wise oxide]

the lack of coal debuff is nothing late game ngl -30% everything is a joke if you are usa with 1k factories

but i like coal also bc it adds historical strategic value to states with alot of it

[hollow lion]

Would grain/food do anything in irl terms except keep Spain out of the Axis?

[wispy peak]

Im 50/50 on coal I appreciate the late game limitations to it but at the same time countries like italy with like 5 coal feels awful having to constantly trade alongside your debuffs

Honestly for navy Larp I wish dockyards wouldnt contribute to it because navy is already a system most people ignore

But thats a very minor personal gripe

[wise oxide]

the debuff is not even that bad in sp

[wispy peak]

oh its not I just 100% hate having something telling me my industry is taking a hit lmao

[hollow lion]

Ive heard people mention it might even be worth destroying your dockyards if you arent using them to save coal?

[wispy peak]

Yeah navy rn is awful

New system is complex so just dump your dockyards, build planes and paradrop

[fresh cedar]

How is it awful?

[wispy peak]

Its way easier, less complex and paratroopers are INSANELY overpowered tbh

[hollow lion]

How is it any more complex than previously?

[wise oxide]

we need a feature to temporarily shut down factories and dockyards

[hollow lion]

It just seems balanced differently

Not that I particularly enjoy the new balance or anything

[fresh cedar]

It’s called coal 😂

[wispy peak]

Misleading thing I said there navy itself isnt awful but the system is expensive and and more complex to master compared to paradropping and such

Additionally navy doesnt directly help you as much as the air does

The new naval invasions thing I see a lot of people disliking and it makes paradropping even more valid compared to it

[fresh cedar]

So if anything paratroopers need a rework or air in general. Not navy

[wispy peak]

Paradropping needs a MASSIVE urban penalty imo

[thick edge]

Grain would be a funny resource

It will be annoying af though

[wispy peak]

Urban insertions for paradropping back then was borderline asking for the paratroopers to get wiped out instantly

[hollow lion]

Grain/food would buff some of the countries that are now nerfed by having to buy coal

For example, south america

[wispy peak]

Look at Rotterdam the Fallschirmjaegers there got absolutely smacked

[fresh cedar]

The paratrooper mechanic of lowering organization is just busted imo

[thick edge]

Ukraine would be a even better region

[hollow lion]

Yup

[wispy peak]

Paras can drop with armor much easier, less expensive to launch a paradrop, getting air supremacy helps you more than naval

[fresh cedar]

People can’t even comprehend coal, and you want us to feed people too?

[thick edge]

Can we just have black ice in the main game

[wispy peak]

See as much as I fully get your reasoning here if they add that we slowly start turning vanilla HOI4 into the Black ICE experience

[fresh cedar]

Coal is the most basic easy to understand system yet people can’t comprehend it are are flaming about it

[thick edge]

But like without the 300 equipments for 1 infantry division

[wispy peak]

And the problem is people dont want that level of complexity they want mappies lol

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I just think nuclear reactors and dams needed a greater impact

Which they’re getting

[hollow lion]

I feel grain should only be added if you have both a stockpile mechanic (apparently quite easy to add)

And production can fluctuate more than is the case right now, so for example grain could grow very slowly after Ukraine is destroyed

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I don’t want to have to build grain silos or worry about feeding regions or they rebel

[thick edge]

Omg resource stockpiles would be peak

[fresh cedar]

Sounds like hell

[hollow lion]

Nah should have some big but static stockpile, food cant be stored indefinitely anyway

Maybe other resource types could have a shared building though

[fresh cedar]

At this point I just want to know more about military HQ’s and hope there’s an air rework

[wise oxide]

true the debuff can suggest a % of factories shutting down

[hollow lion]

We need uranium ore too /s

[fresh cedar]

Idk, military stats seem pretty heavily stacked with the new doctrine system. I’m worried military HQ’s in the coming dlc with further push the divide and micro hell

[wise oxide]

like oil and have a % of it getting old monthly

[fresh cedar]

Uranium would actually be cool. And if it was a fuel for reactors too 😂

Like late game ships with nuclear reactors consuming that instead of oil

[wise oxide]

would make nukes and uranium more strategic like if you roleplay get all the uranium and embargo your enemies they will never get nuclear tech

[fresh cedar]

Yeah imagine researching nuclear reactors cost uranium to research

Or any nuclear project tbh

[wise oxide]

also we need automatic trade

so you dont pay extra or forget to buy

[fresh cedar]

Would lag the game unless limited to players

[hollow lion]

For any late startdate I think its a pretty sane thing to have

[fresh cedar]

Jk

[hollow lion]

I was gonna make it for 1945 Road to 56

[fresh cedar]

Nah idk why they never did auto trade

Or like “Auto trade within faction members” etc

[hollow lion]

And nuclear program should take quite a few factories, idk, like...

15?

[wise oxide]

i hate when i convert tanks i trade for nothing then in a second i need to trade with 10 civs again

[wise oxide]

would make it better ngl

[hollow lion]

Or maybe even like 20-25, and countries contribute those factories into a research/faction pool

[wise oxide]

also can we talk about lend-lease by ai? usually soviets have 0 conwoys so its barely helping

[hollow lion]

France/Israel cooperated irl, and there almost was a West-Germany/Italy/France pact for nuclear research
Could have total factory count give a little bonus so even factories not assigned to the project speed it up, that would make cooperation far more impactful

[wispy peak]

Yeah it would be a good idea for that

The new faction system somewhat does that if you do a joint facility

But then everyone who sticks a scientist in there just instantly takes over your faction lol

[wise oxide]

having to demobilize is my favourite feature

[hollow lion]

How do you even achieve good demobilization I wonder because coal definitely isnt enough

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I don’t understand how you gain faction influence

[wise oxide]

and how do you get influence over warlords?

[fresh cedar]

I’ll be conquering entire continents with by far the largest army and completing goals. Only to have some random baby country have 5x the influence

[wise oxide]

also the send 1000 guns for autonomy loss is silly

have to spam it

[hollow lion]

Id guess its still buggy

[fresh cedar]

USA tried sending 350k guns to Afghanistan irl to annex but accidentally released them

Common misplay imo

[wispy peak]

Honestly the way you can gain influence can be silly

[wise oxide]

they where almost an integrated puppet but lost the civil war

[wispy peak]

If you donate a facility everyone who puts a scientist in gets 5 influence daily

[fresh cedar]

How is it even determined?

[wispy peak]

You get NOTHING

[fresh cedar]

Ew that’s nasty

[wispy peak]

Like as Italy with imperum romanum I donated a facility

Within a year my yugoslavian puppets had more influence than me

Its extremely dumb and easy to lose control of your faction

[wise oxide]

there should be a way to lower autonomy with pp but just slightly

[fresh cedar]

If anything, you should get like 4 per person going to you bc it’s your facility, and their scientists get 2 each for them

Why tf would your facility not generate any 😭

[wispy peak]

Exactly its YOUR facility and your projects

[wise oxide]

i hate sending 1 billion convoys and 500 trillion pp to annex and repeat

[fresh cedar]

Builds max level forts in every state

[carmine bough]

already at mostly negative lol

[fresh cedar]

Average paradox dlc

[wise oxide]

also if you take rhineland you cripple the german industry its so strategic now

[fresh cedar]

Majority of US coal is east coast too. So if you secure the east coast it really hurts their economy

I legit think coal was in a perfect spot with scaling and being strategic. Just need late game options to offset energy costs

Which reactors did 🙂

And the jump from 25-50% discount was enough

[wise oxide]

also if germany holds donetsk soviets will never have enough coal

[uncut tulip]

were people actually complaining about coal? because int he next patch the coal demand will stop increasing after a certain amount of factory, which defeats the whole point

like why add coal if in the end it only exist on paper

[hollow lion]

Yeh people were complaining

[uncut tulip]

tf

lol

[hollow lion]

tbf someone will complain regardless of what they do

but some concerns did make sense

[uncut tulip]

people that complain are the same that find it balanced that once you control china you have infinite ressources and factories. like if irl china was actually industrialized during ww2

like duuuudddeee

let me make this clear, i dont play heart of iron for things to be easy, idk anyone playing hoi4 for it to be easy

[hollow lion]

its nice when the source of it being difficult is fun, coal seems pretty decent at that, it does encourage refocusing conquest towards resources

[uncut tulip]

and that made total sense

yeah

so making it irrelevant is funny

idk if coal is just added with the dlc but like if it is, common

[hollow lion]

It is a non-DLC feature if thats what you mean

[uncut tulip]

thank god

i paid for the japan thingmabob then

which is fine

[uncut tulip]

they should just make it a setting

at that point

when you start a new game

alongside the difficulty setting youd have energy settings

so one like it is rn (more difficult i guess)

[hollow lion]

The historical path is free which most people I spoke with consider the best path

[hoary siren]

Yes. There was quite a few issues with it

[hollow lion]

The other trees are generally considered pretty fun too though

[uncut tulip]

they dont play hoi4 for the same reason as i do

[hoary siren]

A lot of people play it for larp

[uncut tulip]

and its not like coal is unhistorical, bro, it WAS BY FAR the main fuel for electicity

[hoary siren]

If we’re going historically Germany should have the most, not like what’s in game now

German had more coal than USA

UK also had the third most in the world

[uncut tulip]

i mean yeah it would make sense

it also fits with its rapid rearmement

like i knew germany had a lot of coal but now you bring it up

it helps to be able to make the electricity in the first place lol

(and quite cheaply, since all that coal is in germany)

[hoary siren]

That’s what people were complaining about. There’s not much coal, and the coal there is is not closer to historical accuracy than people would like

[uncut tulip]

why didnt they make it accurate instead of making it irrelevant then..?

[hoary siren]

It’s not really irrelevant. They fixed a lot of bugs with it that killed industry too

[uncut tulip]

it aint that hard theres charts even on wikipedia

[hoary siren]

Especially with trading

[uncut tulip]

it will be hardcapped at a certain number of factories

[hoary siren]

They also really need to change coal if factories aren’t actively doing anything either

[uncut tulip]

thats a given

[hoary siren]

But each factory still has that value so it still increases

[uncut tulip]

you sure?

[hoary siren]

Yes. That’s what they said

[uncut tulip]

read it wrong on steam idk

sorry

well it felt like it was just gonna be hardcapped

[hoary siren]

It doesn’t scale infinitely anymore based on how many factories you have. IMO it shouldn’t, each factory should have a set number of coal it uses that shouldn’t scale

[uncut tulip]

making it irelevant

[uncut tulip]

oh okay yeah that way

how did it scale infinitely? didnt notice

[hoary siren]

It’s % of coal it used increased with each factory infinitely

[clear tundra]

Maybe they can give focused industry some love and have it decrease coal use

[uncut tulip]

so the amount of coal each factory used was linked to the total number of factories you had

[hoary siren]

Pretty much yeah. It’s scales infinitely

[uncut tulip]

how does that make any sense?

[hoary siren]

It doesn’t

[uncut tulip]

it wasnt just the fact the more factory you had the more power is required

like irl?

sorry if im confused

[uncut tulip]

ok thx

yeah definitely read it wrong on steam

[brittle venture]

bad eco management saving you lol /nm

[uncut tulip]

naaaa was playing two cisily in kaiserreich

lets just say you dont start with 1 trillion factories anyways

i did reunify italy but yeah

[fresh cedar]

The real bad eco management is the dlc price 😂

Paradox basically went Total mobilization too early

$30 is insane

[hoary siren]

I don’t think anyone can do total mob without needed to trade for coal anymore

[brittle venture]

i forgot you can go down eco law

im out here trying to build civillian reactors in every state in my game so i can maybe get like up to 100% while building as the world is starving of coal (russia as a major has like 25% energy fullfilled for reference but other majors are like 75%)

i forgot eco laws can go down...

[zenith sigil]

now they're out of coal

[wise oxide]

ai china is still losing to ai japan badly every time for some reason

[uncut tulip]

the power of cringe animes

[wise oxide]

and its after the buff bruh

[fresh cedar]

So like major DLC were $20 for a long time

Then went to $25

Now $30.

Why the 50% increase in price over like 2 years?

[hushed lion]

Capitalism

[hollow lion]

Inflation too prolly

[polar jasper]

I would say inflation and because they can

If the czech tree is more than 3 or 5 dollars i will cry

5 dollars is pushing it

[hoary siren]

But I thought Sweden were socialist

[hollow lion]

Google social democracy, any more detail is not appropriate since no politics allowed here

[hushed lion]

They are social Democrats

It's just capitalism but it pretends to be nice

[polar jasper]

Rule 2 is on thin ice

On the verge of breaking

[hushed lion]

Something something coal bad

Uhh

Idk

[clear tundra]

Paradox is so punitive when trying to influence player behavior. It’s always a punishment like with needing more coal at higher mobilization. They never reward.

[polar jasper]

Coal alarm

Why am I the only person with no problems with coal

To be fair, I didn't play Italy

[hushed lion]

You arent the only one

I also do not understand the coal hate

[polar jasper]

Me when the industry cap works as intended 😮

[hoary siren]

Funny, everyone always calls them socialist.

[hushed lion]

Like all rhe examples I've seen regarding coal being bad are screenshots of major powers with 1000 factories

[polar jasper]

When you have to go from 30% mil construction speed to 20% (you already have 400 mils)

[hushed lion]

Not everyone and it is an incorrect use of terminology

[hushed lion]

Literally

The only complaint i do understand is that also other things such as dams and civilian nuclear reactors should produce power too

But also by the time you get civilian nuclear reactors the game is practically over

[fresh cedar]

I also have no problems with it and like its implementation. Wanted reactors to be more impactful but they will be

[fresh cedar]

The inflation rate that capped in 2023?

I’m tired of inflation being an excuse for price gouging.

[hexed jackal]

gys remember when hitler ran out of coal

if only he called santa claus

he wouldve won the war for sure

[wooden wyvern]

it doesnt really matter tho

its not working as intended

or i dont see the intention

cause so far all its done is bug me with resource notifications

when im buying 1000 coal as russia and still in a deficit of several hundreds by 1942

if they wanted to cap industry id rather they actually implement economy mechanics and have construction speed slow down or stagnate

[polar jasper]

Which is a cap?

[wooden wyvern]

wdym

yea

i dont mind the capping mechanic i just dont like the way they did it cause it doesnt line up with how youre expected to treat the other resources

i mean i also dont see the point of it in its current state when it does so little

[polar jasper]

So not a problem, right?

[wooden wyvern]

^^

its unintuitive is all

[polar jasper]

Though I do agree there should be more ways to help with energy production

Maybe dams and reactors should generate flat energy rather than reduce factory consumption

[wooden wyvern]

i also dont like how its basically a permanent resource notification

[polar jasper]

Eh, I guess it can get annoying

[wooden wyvern]

if they wanted to do it this way i think they should add oil power plants

[polar jasper]

I think auto trading should have been a feature

[wooden wyvern]

that you can build from game start or by researching some early tech

[wooden wyvern]

that would be nice

[polar jasper]

Some mods do that, dont they?

[wooden wyvern]

what

the auto trading?

not sure

[polar jasper]

I think TNO did with their system

[wooden wyvern]

tno is tno

[polar jasper]

Because I dont remember ever needing to trade in that mod

The one good thing about it

[wooden wyvern]

like if youre playing tno you dont say youre playing hoi4

or even hoi4 with mods

youre just playing tno

[wooden wyvern]

doesnt it have its own economy thingy

with like gdp and shit

government spending

[polar jasper]

I ignore that

[wooden wyvern]

and stuff

i didnt even know it still had vanilla resource mechanics

[polar jasper]

But there is still the vanilla* trade system in there

[wooden wyvern]

thats actually crazy

i never found it

lol

[polar jasper]

Well, it looked vanilla enough

Im just surprised the game doesn't let you do "when deficit greater than or equal to 4, trade for resource from a list of countries"

[wooden wyvern]

yea

[polar jasper]

Prioritize land based routes

[wooden wyvern]

me too

[wooden wyvern]

dude i still dont know how to trade with countries via land routes

like i hit all the sea zones to red

and it still uses naval trade routes

when they shouldnt even be possible aymore

[polar jasper]

What country are you playing and who are you trading with

And are there friendly and neutral countries along the entire path

[wooden wyvern]

i mean it wasnt anything in particular

just what i see in general

wheneverim getting raided tod eath

[polar jasper]

If you are the Netherlands, you are not getting any land based trades when Germany takes everything over

[wooden wyvern]

pretty sure i was playing an allied country

[stable tusk]

The numbers are weird honestly, they beed to be adjusted

[wooden wyvern]

actually may have been russia

and tryna get rubber from siam

i think is one time that it happened to me

[polar jasper]

I only needed to trade 80 coal (from my British puppet) as Germany and I was fine

[stable tusk]

Like it's weird how the amount of coal needed per factory grows exponentially instead of linearly

[polar jasper]

Wait, its exponential?

Interesting

Guess it was chosen that way to help minor countries?

[stable tusk]

Yeah that's the thing that doesn't make sense to me
Like why not have it linear, that would make so much more sense

[polar jasper]

Are you sure it isnt anything funny with mobilization laws needing a higher percentage of coal?

[stable tusk]

One of the lead devs for TWR was the one who said it iirc, which is the reason why they're just coding energy out of the mod

[wooden wyvern]

twr?

[polar jasper]

Thousand Week Reich

TNO with more sanity pills

Japan gets 7(?) nukes to the face and an operation downfall

Because British gave up after Dunkirk

So Germany wins, Japan loses

2 way cold war between US and Germany

[stable tusk]

What John said

[polar jasper]

Soviets and India do their own thing

[wooden wyvern]

oh that thing

[polar jasper]

Played India, wasn't a bad playthrough

[wooden wyvern]

its still going?>

[polar jasper]

Made Vietnam cap China lmao

[wooden wyvern]

i thought it got discontinued at some point

[polar jasper]

They redid a bunch of things all at once

[stable tusk]

Soviets collapse, KMT wins the CCW, India goes socialist

[polar jasper]

UK, US, China, India, Free France rework in 1 update

[wooden wyvern]

huh that sounds weird

in an interesting way

is it worth trying

[polar jasper]

Usually ends with Germany getting curb stomped by the US because NATO in their universe intervenes in a civil war that happens 9 out of 10 times

But then you get politics simulator

[stable tusk]

I thought that too until I found out it wasn't dead and they had a discord server, and then they release their Free New World update which completely changed a whole bunch of places, their next update (after the 1.17 patch) is the Middle East (Israel, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Iraq)

[polar jasper]

If Germany wins their civil war quickly or doesn't have one, then there is a true cold war

Otherwise you got India, China, and Russia doing their own things as well

[wooden wyvern]

i never understood the purpose of cold war mods tbh

[polar jasper]

Funny proxy wars

[wooden wyvern]

like in kaiserreich you have a reason to do the proxy wars cause they will affect the alliances in the actual war

but like cold war mods usually dont have those

[polar jasper]

Red Dusk is the superior cold war mod, despite it taking place where the Soviets last into the 2000s

[wooden wyvern]

so like is there even like a way to "win" or even "defeat" the other hegemons

[stable tusk]

It's more fun if you go into the gamerules and turn off the German Civil War then you get a build up towards the Toronto Accord (NATO in this universe) invading Europe to liberate them from the Nazis while the Russians are going to unite and probably invade from the west

[polar jasper]

The west

[wooden wyvern]

ah isee

[polar jasper]

I remember the Soviets and Germans fighting on the western front

[wooden wyvern]

so there is a world war 2

3*

i guess i find multipolar settings more interesting then worlds where only one or two countries can challenge the others

[stable tusk]

The best Cold War mod is in development rn, with a possible third world war (its a Kaiserreich cold war mod tho)

[wooden wyvern]

oh that

twilight something

[stable tusk]

Twilight struggle

I just like the concept of stuff actually happening

[wooden wyvern]

idk much abt it

[polar jasper]

I thought this mod was dead

[stable tusk]

Might be thinking of another mod

This one isn't out yet lol

[polar jasper]

I had to settle with Kalterkrieg

[wooden wyvern]

other then wca winning 2acw and germany winning in 2wk europe

[polar jasper]

I thought it was dead in development

[wooden wyvern]

altho from the looks of it japan is doing well

[stable tusk]

It's coming out... eventually... I hope

[polar jasper]

Kalterkrieg is flawed in the fact the Entente and Reichspakt are too similar in ideology

And that Germany is way too OP

[stable tusk]

WCA won the 2acw and invaded Canada, Germany killed France but gave it to the sand French (in exchange for Calais and stuff), Japan is a democracy with their GEACPS but it's kinda like today Japan with crazy working conditions and China is basically just where Japan gets their labour from
Smaller things: Italy (Italian State uniting with Sardinia) wants to kill the Ottomans and will team up with Greece and Egypt (Even tho they're Syndie) to do it, there's two Russias: Free Russia (democracy) and Russian Redemption State (Savinkovism) but both of them want to beat Germany again, China can and will try to revolt against Japan, if they win the 3 way cold war becomes a 2 way with Japan kinda losing their position as a great power, Eisenhower is chilling in Hawaii and wants to reclaim the mainland, Iceland is a kingdom led by a literal Nazi, the government won in the Spanish Civil War, Mittleafrika is led by Adenauer and may or may not collapse (it will), and the Windsors are chilling in Australasia along with both the British and Canadian governments in exile

[polar jasper]

Wait, I thought it was a cold war between Russia and 3rd Internationale

Or is that the dead mod i was thinking of

[stable tusk]

That's Krasnacht

[polar jasper]

Ahhhhhh

Twilight struggle does look like a fun mod

But i also thought Kalterkrieg would be

Eh, I did enjoy my one A-H game

[stable tusk]

I hope it is, if not I'm going to be very disappointed

[stable tusk]

This is a kinda sorta outdated screenshot a dev sent for after Italy wins their war with the Ottomans, apparently they made some tweaks to it

[polar jasper]

Lol, France loses African colonies before Germany

I guess they did promise independence probably

[wooden wyvern]

ah i see so its just tno but reached in a different way

and set in kaiserreich

that does sound interesting

[polar jasper]

Not TNO at all

[wooden wyvern]

3 way cold war between the exact same countries

[polar jasper]

Just a classic cold war mod

[wooden wyvern]

i was just drawing parralleles

[polar jasper]

Ah shoot

You might be right

Though UK seems to be with the US

[wooden wyvern]

oh really?

[stable tusk]

But this time it's
Syndie US
Schlicherist Germany
Democratic Japan

Instead of Democratic USA
EVIL Germany
EVIL Japan

[wooden wyvern]

i mean

is krtl japan confirmed to not be as insane as otl japan

[polar jasper]

In TNO, UK is under Germany

[wooden wyvern]

i always assumed they were lwk similar but krtl japan just has an easier time cause their enemies are all balkanized half the time

[polar jasper]

This mod seems to have Syndie UK

[wooden wyvern]

oh shit youre right

i didnt notice

the color is the same as kr uk

[stable tusk]

Yeah but they ain't doing too hot

[wooden wyvern]

ah i see

i wonder how germanys navy stands against uk and usa together now

im also curious why hawaii wasnt seized by japan

altho it does make the scenario more interesting

[stable tusk]

Japan and the Federal Government in exile are kinda friendly since the Feds basically give Japan access to their ports

[polar jasper]

I just like the idea of Chiang Kai-Shek Eisenhower on Taiwan-Hawaii

[stable tusk]

Well they straight up nuked the British navy at Scapa Flow so you can imagine how it's going

[polar jasper]

Ready to reclaim the homeland... eventually

[wooden wyvern]

ah i see i see

thats really cool actually

[polar jasper]

I guess that the US navy will hop in eventually?

To defend Britain?

Bruh, you got me hyped for this mod

[wooden wyvern]

they have to

uk is their one foothold into europe

[stable tusk]

The USSA and UoB are basically in catch up with the German Navy since the USSA had an entire civil war and the UoB got their fleet nuked

[stable tusk]

Unfortunately we'll have to wait at least another year 😔

[polar jasper]

Half my kaiserreich game ends up with everyone having their fleets just look at each other and do nothing, thereby no losses

For 2ACW

[wooden wyvern]

i mean

id imagine its more the shipbuilding capability

and heavy industry

i wouldnt be surprised if the feds escaped with a big chunk of it as well

[stable tusk]

Oh yeah, the 2ACW was Borah Federal Government vs WCA, so a two way civil war
Thought I should mention that

[polar jasper]

Pacific states probably fled the pacific fleet to Hawaii

[polar jasper]

Bruh moment

[wooden wyvern]

lol

[polar jasper]

How did Borah flop so hard

Flopped as much as Huey Long did in my Borah run

Turns out Hoover is a decent candidate for president in Kaiserreich

[wooden wyvern]

whenever i play usa i always make sure to have all the factions there

its more fun that way imo

[polar jasper]

I needed my achievements

[wooden wyvern]

oph right

kr has achievements

that like

actually arent bullshit

[polar jasper]

For pain, the most painful 2ACWs are

1. WCA
2. ACC
3. Feds if you screw up
4. Long if Mexico joins the war

[stable tusk]

The first step to reclaiming the homeland is Alaska...
||Also this teaser was from before they made their custom GUI||

[wooden wyvern]

i always assumed psa was weakest

cause their front line is pretty big and they dont have much of an industry

[polar jasper]

I was more annoyed with the WCA than the pacific states

[wooden wyvern]

huh

[stable tusk]

And the fact that you lose cores on Washington, Oregon, South Cali

[wooden wyvern]

isnt wca the strongest

[polar jasper]

Because I always had to do the rescue attempt of the trapped New Yorkers

[wooden wyvern]

altho i suppose you always end up encircles

[polar jasper]

Because the Federalists ALWAYS did War Plan White that makes them hunker down in the East

Every

Single

Time

[wooden wyvern]

oh yea i did that as mcarthur

it was lwk a pretty easy war

i actually ended up beating canada before wca

[polar jasper]

I tried that path.

I ended up with like 10 units to guard my border because I picked Missouri and then couldn't get its troops

[wooden wyvern]

and taking a couple provinces in the white peace

[wooden wyvern]

you just have to sacrifice new england but take nyc

long also had no divs in my run

[polar jasper]

10 divisions isnt holding against both Long and Reed

[wooden wyvern]

so the border kinda just stayed for a bit since they focused on reed

[wooden wyvern]

did you take the decisions to recruit

[polar jasper]

I couldn't get enough militia because I picked a state that got demilitarized

[wooden wyvern]

i remember 16 divs being enough to fill the lines i think

[polar jasper]

I thought i could get missouris troops in time (no)

[wooden wyvern]

icic

from what i see as other countries looking at intel basically all the factions struggle with div count at the start

except syndies

but feds have the smallest frontline so they lose the least territory

and long is almost never a problem in my experience

wca and canada are usually the bigger threats

[polar jasper]

WCA scales, but is weak early war

[brittle venture]

whats even the point of these? they should have more air attack or more range or both

[wise oxide]

i wonder what HQ s are going to be like bc theater commanders are what i tought hq would be like

[jolly wasp]

Hi Guys, I’m playing a playthrough as Sinkiang Ma, (formable for Khotan Ma) and I need faction influence to usurp nationalist China. What’s the best way of gaining faction influence?

[median bronze]

so what do escort carriers do

[blazing flint]

They are like a normal carrier, but use less fuel and are cheaper to make

They are great for your patrol fleet

[median bronze]

how does spotting work in battle

[blazing flint]

Idk

[rapid valve]

whenn tf is coal being fixed

[rapid valve]

Helps find the enemy fleet faster

doesnt rly help in battle

[dusk mist]

0.2 is pathetic

Maybe it gets significantly augmented by the speed?

[dusk mist]

It gets buffed by 812% because of the speed

But that's still 1.825

Are the stacks stacks of 1?

Also agility brings it down to ca. 0.325 against fighters, will do better against bombers though

Up to 0.365 from absolute speed

Or say 1.865 against strategic bombers

Let's take the most positive scenario and say it's shooting down bombers and range covers whole zone / is mitigated by other bonuses

Then you get 0.06217 aa / ic

Take a hypothetical interceptor with air attack of 40 and speed of 1.5 times the bombers, say 600 km/h. I don't really make interceptors so I don't know how expensive they are normally or what the normal stats are but this should be a decentish approximation. Say ic cost of 36.

Then you get 0.0111 aa / ic

So if your interceptors survive more than 6 attacks they are more worth it

[dusk mist]

Assuming 1 missile per stack

Idk what the actual number is

[brittle venture]

400km range btw (same as interwar planes) with max 300 per state

[dusk mist]

Yeah I explicitly ignored the range because I'm not sure how I'd estimate that

You can increase the mission efficiency with other ways though right?

[dusk mist]

Of course this is a simplistic way of looking at it, a far better way would be to know the loss rate for which it would be worth it

[brittle venture]

not a lot

[dusk mist]

I can just add a mission efficiency parameter then

And you can set it to whatever you want

I'm just setting it up as sequences

Here is the graph

depending on the loss rate you can see at what point it will be worth it

Loss rate of 0%, interceptors worth it after 6 rounds

Loss rate of 10%, interceptors worth it after 14 rounds

Loss rate of 20%, interceptors never worth it

If you give me mission efficiency and after how many rounds you want it to be worth it, I can give you the corresponding loss rate necessary

[dusk mist]

(g(x) has been corrected)

[dusk mist]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/uxqqzlqa2k

[median bronze]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3614080182

[fresh cedar]

Wdym fixed

Wasn’t broken to begin with

It’s working as intended, apes are just too ooga booga to comprehend

[dense gale]

fine line between trolling and being serious

[hoary siren]

They’re all trolling. Have to be

[fresh cedar]

Coal is meant to cap industry without strategic expansion. I think there should be ways to offset it with refineries or oil, atleast later on with research.

But the change in reactor efficiency from 25%-50% is huge, basically lets you have double the industry.

But genuinely, people are mad they can’t just exponentially snowball

[dense gale]

i dont think because u control all the world factories

[hoary siren]

Not really when those reactors also take up a building slot

[dense gale]

suddenly mean there not enough coal in the world

[rich light]

Considering that coal already caps your industry, that 1 building slot is nothing

[nimble torrent]

Hoi4's community is quite big
Some want historical accuracy
Others want arcade world conquests with buthan
Sadly striking a balance is quite hard

[fresh cedar]

That’s my argument

[dusk mist]

I get the impression most want the world conquest with bhutan, and they want it to be easy

I swear the hoi4 community is the wimpiest I have seen, crying about anything which could possibly make the already easy game harder

Changes to naval domination to fix invasion cheesing --> noooooo now it's harder to capitulate the UK as a minor with no navy!

They just want everything handed to them on a platter

Complete a focus and get your +50% attack bonus against the uk and free navy

Rant over

[fresh cedar]

I’m just mad about the price hike. Like the content though

But for an extra $5 I would’ve liked to see a new tree for Manchuria, portraits for Mongolia/Korea.

[fresh cedar]

Cost of major dlc was $20 from like 2017-2023. Then from 2023-2025, went up 50% to $30

Meanwhile, inflation gain in Sweden capped 2023, and went way down in rate since.

[silent flame]

How do repair ships work?

[hoary siren]

That doesn’t mean inflation decreased though. Just that’s it’s been the same

[fresh cedar]

Make one, assign to fleet. And it tells you somewhere. But basically less chance to receive critical hits and ships dying

[silent flame]

does it repair the ships while moving?

[fresh cedar]

Which is true, but it also means it hasn’t skyrocketed enough to warrant a 25-50% jump in price

[silent flame]

and like how many do you need?

[fresh cedar]

I’m not sure about specifics. They’re worth making though. I’d read into what they can do once assigning it to a fleet

[dusk mist]

Prices are going crazy yeah

[dusk mist]

The inflation rate of the Swedish kroner is irrelevant given that they sell in different currencies, but yeah, the price is not increasing because of inflation.

[fresh cedar]

I’m sure it’s not even the devs, but their shareholders demanding the increases. So the devs can basically only do so much then are thrown to the wolves by the greed of their benefactors.

[dusk mist]

Yes, of course. The devs of a game are rarely in control of pricing and marketing

[silent flame]

How do I get naval superiority now?

how does navy work now the hell

[dusk mist]

Have ships on patrol and others on strike force

It builds up over time

So AI can't invade you if green flickers off for a tick because it doesn't happen so suddenly anymore

[dusk mist]

Pretty much exactly the same as before

[silent flame]

ok ye I thought there was a bunch changed

still demolishing US navy

some things never change

also how do you see the faction rankings?

nvm found it

[dusk mist]

Yeah the ai remains terrible

[vast shore]

the worst thing is

I thought they'd somehow justify it with more content

[fresh cedar]

We all did

[vast shore]

But a lot of the content is rather empty

The factions especially in my opinion feel empty which is a disappointment

I hoped for a powerbloc system like vicky

[fresh cedar]

That would be a cool addition

[fresh cedar]

I’m hoping the factions grow as time goes on. Like their complexity/function

Which could even just be their missions

[vast shore]

same

[rocky escarp]

They do justify it to themselves by thinking they put more content in

But the problem is that increased resources, time, money in ≠ increased content out

[wooden wyvern]

i think they should just make good combat mechanics and war mechanics

the hardcore historical accuracy base and the schizo path base both just use mods anyways

id prefer if they spent their budget putting in things like peace deals and economic spheres

and improving existing mechanics like espionage

[forest shore]

are those icons not loading only for me?

[stable tusk]

You got NATO symbols on, you can change them in your settings iirc

[forest shore]

what does that setting do?

i thought it makes new flags for formables

[stable tusk]

It changes your units to what NATO uses for stuff ig

[forest shore]

really weird

[fresh cedar]

They’re basically just NATO symbols for division types. Has nothing to do with formables

[autumn breach]

wait do i actually have to have divisions assigned to a battleline for them to get planning??
if so thats so stupid why would they change that

[main juniper]

why is that stupid

[simple nymph]

Exploit getting patched crybaby number lost count

[autumn breach]

because it means you have to let ai move ur divisions around to get planning which makes manually microing ur units penalised

[simple nymph]

There is a new cohesion setting that disables the unit controller

[autumn breach]

wdym exploit?

[autumn breach]

ohhhh

[fading walrus]

Not as bad as paying 2000 gold per turn because my army didn’t have a general in Stainless steel historical improvement project

[simple nymph]

The thing to put a garrison order on an unreachable state was an exploit

[fading walrus]

At least the devs told me to save 2000 plus per turn incase I do that

[autumn breach]

i mean not really lol it was piss easy to do and everyone did it

[simple nymph]

It was by definition an exploit

[autumn breach]

it wasnt a bug tho, just using the games mechanics

there was still drawbacks to using it, like having to micro all the divisions and having really expensive abilities

[simple nymph]

Folks, we don't wake up in the morning and decide to "remove micro". We fixed an exploit that has clearly had unintended side effects for a part of our community. - Areho

[simple nymph]

It was clearly a bug. No matter how used to it people got

[autumn breach]

considering the direction the game has gone under him i dont many people will respect statements like that lol

especially when it was pretty much a widely used feature at this point

[simple nymph]

It was a bug

Not a feature

[simple nymph]

He made the fix btw

[swift mortar]

It’s a dumb bug to patch

Nobody wanted it gone

But air map mode bug is still around

And the stupid railgun Global noise

[autumn breach]

it might as well have been, it is allowed in the vast majority of competitive play and is the norm for good players to use

[crimson tartan]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3XLn42ZeU6o

hoi4 memes are not common this in my youtube recommendations

so i'm gonna share them

[simple nymph]

Completely reasonable bug to patch

Especially considering there is now an official way to do it

[swift mortar]

I’m glad they have an official way to do it

But why patch this bug over the dozens others that people genuinely don’t like

[autumn breach]

lol are you just bad at the game or something and salty at good players using it? xD

[simple nymph]

I used it myself

Still reasonable to patch it

[autumn breach]

un needed tho

and very unpopular

[wise oxide]

is this enough?

[rough jolt]

Speaking of this

I won't ask when it's fixed because it probably is

but like when's the patch containing the fix coming

[swift mortar]

For airmap bug or the new dlc fix

Airmap mode bug still is going to be around

But other fix idk, maybe by next week

[simple nymph]

Has been in the game for like a week

[autumn breach]

tbf tho most people who are used to microing all their stuff dont use that

[polar bronze]

Microing like micromanagement?

[autumn breach]

like manually moving stuff rather than letting ai do it yeah

[polar jasper]

Well, isnt this the feature to make the old empty field marshal frontline system integrated?

Just no 72 division generals for you

[polar bronze]

How is microing an exploit?

[hoary siren]

The old thing was you select you army to a garrison order somewhere your troops will never reach, the. Use a field marshal to frontline and draw an attack order. Then move troops to front line and they gain planning

[rocky escarp]

Immobile Cohesion is an almost godsend for my Czecho-Slovakia playthroughs

Now I don't have to deal with stupid defence orders or fallback lines that miss a province unless I draw them 100% precisely

Can just have units defending exactly where they need to be without moving away randomly

Only problem is, newly deployed divisions don't move to the frontline under that mode, and units that fallback stay where they retreated to rather than go back to the frontline to defend

and they should have made the other orders actually work properly for my and many others' use-case rather than being forced due to their own mistake to rush in something that happened to have a positive side-effect for me

So it's not just a new setting for micro attacking, it's also useful for the game in a more wider perspective

[polar jasper]

I think it's the having planning bonus on a frontline with 0 divisions assigned

Or the 72 division general told to garrison Switzerland and forced to be stationed on the eastern front

The game wants you to have a max of 24 or 30 divisions per general and you will like it

[swift mortar]

No we meant the bug patches bro

We know that’s a new feature

[ashen pollen]

When Clausewitz Engine rework?

[frozen marsh]

um i think they should make japan give menkukuo mongolia instead of making a new puppet from mongolia

in the peace deal

[hollow coral]

True but suggest that in the forums

[frozen marsh]

where

[hollow coral]

Paradox forums

[frozen marsh]

wheres that

[hollow coral]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/

[frozen marsh]

thanks

[hollow coral]

Just have to register an account to suggest

[polar bronze]

What is the puppet name of mongolia for japan?

[frozen marsh]

new mongol empire

[polar bronze]

That is genuinely buns

[hollow coral]

Should be khanate of mongolia or smthn

[polar bronze]

Or Autonomous Mongolian State

[hollow coral]

Or just be annexed into mengjiang

[hushed lion]

Which is what you are meant to do pretty much

[ashen pollen]

These 3 subs have survived in dominated waters for 2 in-game years...

How do I sink them?

[swift mortar]

Naval bombers

[wise oxide]

china japan and mao was so much harder and more fun with this dlc

before i beat both easily on veteran or elite now i actually had to think a bit but still won by 1939-40

[fervent prairie]

Why did they make this focus 35 days? It does 1 thing. And it very very slowly fixes an issue. This should be 35 days

Like they did here

It does only one thing, therefore should be 35 days

[vast shore]

just saying

[fervent prairie]

The AI needs some tweaks man...

[polar jasper]

This is because this is the ahistorical option I believe

[fervent prairie]

Ahistorical or not. It should be 35 days

[polar jasper]

China was known for not managing an economy

[polar jasper]

I think 70 days is fine as it forces you to choose between strengthening your economy, politics, or army

[fervent prairie]

The AI doesn't even do anything there for most of the early game

[fervent prairie]

It basically already does with it being 70 or 35

[polar jasper]

Sounds accurate

[fervent prairie]

I'm arguing form the stand point of what the focus does. It fixes the economic debuff by 1% every 60 days which is very little short term. And that's all the focus does. It should be 35 days

By the way why is swearing not allowed here?

Like seriously Paradox?

[polar jasper]

Is it really 1% every 60? Dang

[fervent prairie]

Yes

That's why I am arguing for it being 35 instead of 70

Either way China will still be bad economically

It's just Paradox needs to get better at using something smaller than 70 day focuses

[polar jasper]

5 years to fix your eco moment

[fervent prairie]

Bulgaria and Turkey are Plagued by them

[brittle venture]

china is already scaling super fast

idk why you want it to be faster

[polar jasper]

I know Germany was filled with 35, 21, and 14 day focuses

Remember, 70 day focuses are there for pacing as well

[fervent prairie]

I am just saying that for what that focus gives. It should be 35 days

[polar jasper]

Remember, this is Nationalist China

They are not known for managing economies well

[fervent prairie]

What the focus does already represents this

[polar jasper]

You will enjoy the forced larp that you are partially breaking

Took them 2 months to figure out how to slowly put money for reserves

[fervent prairie]

By the way, if you do Print Money for the Army. Is there really no other way to fix it?

[polar jasper]

Nope!

[fervent prairie]

That's really dumb

[polar jasper]

That's why the Nationalists lost the war

[fervent prairie]

Atleast add something late game

[polar jasper]

They couldn't industry and had massive inflation

That is literally a reason they lost the civil war

[brittle venture]

but chiang kai shek had drip tho

[fervent prairie]

Which one? The Civil war or the war with the Japanese

[brittle venture]

they didnt lose against the japanese

[fervent prairie]

I am aware

[brittle venture]

japan just never conceeded to china winning

[fervent prairie]

But they barely won

[brittle venture]

but they didnt lose the war

[fervent prairie]

One could count it as a partial loss

[polar jasper]

And I even said civil war in my thing

[fervent prairie]

As it gave Communist China a lot of leeway to grow in power

[brittle venture]

id talk about context but thats modern politics

[polar jasper]

Ichi Go also vaporized Nationalist Forces basically

[fervent prairie]

They also lost that due to corruption and the communists generally being viewed better

[polar jasper]

And the Nationalists were busy pissing everyone off

[brittle venture]

i will note however a lot of modern politics start at the KMT not having the resources to garrison the north vietnam region (which they were tasked to)

[polar jasper]

Flooding your own country tends to get the populace to hate you as well

[fervent prairie]

Yeah

But I still stand by that this focus should be 35 days, as it only does 1 thing and that thing takes YEARS to really do much

[brittle venture]

its for pacing

[fervent prairie]

The focus tree is massive...

[brittle venture]

your reforms are supposed to be slow and you must choose which ones are a prioritiy

[fervent prairie]

It's already got pacing

[brittle venture]

priority*

[thick edge]

You know what else is massive

[brittle venture]

youre not supposed to do all of it

[polar jasper]

Fine, early game pacing

[brittle venture]

you are supposed to choose

you can do all of it, yes

but youre not meant to

[polar jasper]

My mom?

[fervent prairie]

I am aware. Changing this to 35 days will not change the fact you still need to choose

[polar jasper]

She is not though

[brittle venture]

youll have to choose less

[polar jasper]

You can do another focus before you get invaded

Which can mean a lot

[brittle venture]

^^^

[thick edge]

If u insist…

[fervent prairie]

I am just trying to push that Paradox needs to quit it with 70 day focuses that does basically does very little

[polar jasper]

It would have been too mean to say your mom

[fervent prairie]

They could have made more, but shorter focuses but no

[polar jasper]

Pacing exists

You will enjoy having late game focuses

And not finish your tree by 46

[brittle venture]

the ussr tree is also a lot of 70d focuses lol

[fervent prairie]

Yes, which is why i am saying having more but shorter focuses is far better

[brittle venture]

just pace it correctly and youll be powerful

[polar jasper]

But my pacing

My historical accuracy

[fervent prairie]

Which shows how bad paradox is with it

[brittle venture]

the ussr tree is great?

[polar jasper]

USSR tree is one of the better trees

Except alt hist

But otherwise it is quite good

[fervent prairie]

They could extend that part of the focus tree with more but shorter focuses

[polar jasper]

Also 70 day focuses allow you to focus on other things

Like the war

Or industry

[fervent prairie]

It is, but I prefer many but shorter focuses over long but fewer

[brittle venture]

i personally find short focuses really annoying

[fervent prairie]

Lots of mods do this

[brittle venture]

its a lot of unnecessary clicking

[polar jasper]

You seem to need a dopamine hit from seeing focus complete

[fervent prairie]

I wnat to feel like I'm actively doing something

[brittle venture]

especially while timing research

[polar jasper]

Yeah, go work on industry

[brittle venture]

theres a lot to do

[polar jasper]

Templates

[fervent prairie]

A lot of people agree with me on this. From what I've seen anyway

[polar jasper]

Organizing the army

[brittle venture]

volunteers, saving pp, spies, eco, managing armies

[polar jasper]

Well yeah

Im being devils advocate

70 day focuses have their worth

[brittle venture]

there is genuinely so much to do

[fervent prairie]

On MP yeah. SP, you can pause the game

[brittle venture]

and you can speed it up too

5 speed

[polar jasper]

Germany was able to get many short focuses because there needed to be a lot of things happen quickly

China doesn't have that luxury

China's government was slow, inept, and corrupt

[fervent prairie]

What of Bulgaria and Turkey? Both have a lot of 70 day focuses

[brittle venture]

bulgaria is good

turkey sucks tho

[fervent prairie]

By 1939 Bulgaria barely has a force

[brittle venture]

my brother in christ you core the balkans and have insane worldwide compliance

[polar jasper]

Bulgaria tree is fine. Turkey is think is there to pace it so it enters the war in 1945

[brittle venture]

if you play well/correctly

[polar jasper]

Me when treaty restrictions

Also quality > quantity

[fervent prairie]

Yet you need to win wars and conquer to get it. If you do not go communist that is

[polar jasper]

Why win

[fervent prairie]

You need a force to do that

[polar jasper]

Just ask for land and core it

[brittle venture]

axis alliance:

[polar jasper]

You dont need the peace deal to get the land

[fervent prairie]

Ah yes. The Alliance of I'll take the lands you want

[brittle venture]

yes

you get decisions to ask politely, ai will accept

then click core button

[polar jasper]

Also not every country is supposed to be world spanning empires

[brittle venture]

hes mentioning bulgaria the second strongest axis nation