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[cloud tusk]

Chinese AI might need some tweaking to defend the Warlords better aswell I think

But I don't know balance, so I wouldn't take my advice tbh

[harsh hull]

What China needs is to annex Sichuan faster so they can control Chongqing's victory points

Supply will kill Japan, but not if China caps before they get there

[lofty heron]

just had a crash. tried to access the traits of an admiral as China. tried to use the paradox crash reporter as it happened, but it said it failed to report.

dunno if saying it here will be of any help

[cloud tusk]

In my playthrough rn I didn't even change the starting templates, nor did I build railways or supply hubs. There just werent any Chinese troops

[cloud tusk]

They're always watching, especially on release day

[solid gyro]

thank you paradox for making the supporters of hoi4 pay again for the same dlc 🫃

[lofty heron]

I found the crash report in my documents folder and turned it into a zipped file. hope this helps to whoever is watching 👀

[quasi harbor]

yoah, ive never seen that emoji used so well

[rocky oasis]

ROC needs more generals.

[vast shore]

gg great coding

(Left the united front [that I made] for the civil war via event, and arrested Chiang as if to form the united front)

also this

[hushed lion]

Damn unfortunately guangdong has no fascist leader

[violet comet]

it IS a first release so there's gonna be a buncha bugs

[vast shore]

cough game testers cough

[lofty heron]

did they not do the thing where the warlord is the leader for all ideologies?

[hushed lion]

That is true for most warlords although seemingly not guangdong

Literally unplayable

Fortunately all the other clique have leaders

[fickle torrent]

WHY IS CHINA 0% SURRENDER LIMIT WITHOUT NEW MAP

[hushed lion]

Wait ma bufang is in qinghai?

[fickle torrent]

WHY

[hushed lion]

Is that meant to happen

Also did long yun get an updated portrait?

[meager dragon]

is there any way to remove the "sea zones' borders look like coal tar" effect from the default map mode?

[quasi harbor]

bufang is the qinghai warlord

[hushed lion]

It was ma lin before I think

[meager dragon]

because this looks pretty bad

[hushed lion]

Nah unfortunately an oil barge sank on all rhe sea zones

[quasi harbor]

ma lin steps down in 1938

[thick edge]

dawg

[hushed lion]

Ah ok

[quasi harbor]

ma bufang takes over

[thick edge]

who shit all over the borders

[hushed lion]

Although generic leader guangdong is sad

[meager dragon]

I think it's the border_sea_region_x files in map/terrain that are making it look like that

[hushed lion]

did i cook

[ashen pollen]

I have never woken up and got up just to open HOI4 so fast...

[mortal pike]

lmao i watched video and Japanese decision to make new puppets in Burma and India doesnt work XDDDDDD good dlc

[mortal pike]

30$ DLC btw

[vast shore]

LEAVE THE MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE

[ashen pollen]

here in the Philippines it's ~22$

[hushed lion]

It's just come out, of course there would be some issues with it

[ashen pollen]

The whole set is like 58$

[hushed lion]

48

It's 48

[ashen pollen]

Yeah missclick

[vast shore]

this DLC is 35$ in Germany kek

[mortal pike]

🤓 Paradox hit on stock market 1 bilion in dollars in November so Billion dollar company*

[ashen pollen]

My fingers are twitching

[mortal pike]

for me its 35 euro btw

[ashen pollen]

Wow...

All this just for a faction rework and stuff

[vast shore]

I do wish they'd have done more with the faction rework

a lot of it just seems like window dressing\

[hushed lion]

All this for only 13 countries worth of content

New factions are so peak

[mortal pike]

did you hear about kaiserreich? content for multiple countries for free NO WAY

[hushed lion]

Kaiserredux is better

[meager dragon]

so, I tested, and it's either not that or my game refuses to recognise the change for some godawful reason

[autumn breach]

so do i genuinely get nothing if i already bought waking the tiger like 5 years ago?

[hushed lion]

Uh no

[mortal pike]

any mod is better thats my point, modders make more quality content for free most of the time and paradox asks 30-35$ for bugged content lmao

[devout iron]

I mean none of those gfx files changed for reference so it would need to be done code wise I'd argue.

[autumn breach]

wow paradox is such a shitty company lol

[meager dragon]

figured it was worth a try at least

[hushed lion]

Idk I've haven't had any bugs

Sounds like a skill issue

[autumn breach]

second time they re released content for countries and we get nothing

[mortal pike]

watched 2 videos from content creators and 3 screenshots here xD i saw 5 bugs this is unacceptable after Graveyards of Empire

[meager dragon]

GoE moment

[mortal pike]

idk something happen post 2021 with paradox because every game got worse

[hushed lion]

Graveyard of empries is overhated

[meager dragon]

except the golden child EU4

[mortal pike]

new EU5 has dead AI that you can beat entire Europe with Indian native tribe because AI cant expand XD

[tribal stag]

That’s in a 40$ dlc

[meager dragon]

bro, can you stop guzzling the billion dollar company's nuts for a moment

[hushed lion]

To be fair europa universalis was always shit

[mortal pike]

EU5 costs 70$ for me same as Donkey Kong Bananza

[tribal stag]

😭 and dk is a contender for goty somehow

[meager dragon]

GoE was almost borked on release for content worse than ToA, it's not "overhated"

[autumn breach]

ever since paradox games became popular they seem to just make loads of slop overpriced dlc

and it sucks because they have a monopoly on grand strategy games

[mortal pike]

thats often happen when shareholders take power over game instead people with passion

happen with many games and companies in other things

[tribal stag]

It’s made Ubisoft bankrupt

[meager dragon]

and Activison, and EA, and Bethesda, and...

[mortal pike]

Blizzard, Ubisoft, Bethesda, you name one

[dusky lotus]

When a gaming company becomes popular and especially if its publicity traded its only goal is revenue and not quality. Look at EA and Ubisoft (yes EA is now private)

[meager dragon]

knowing the new owners of EA, it being privately-owned will not save it

[mortal pike]

2025 is great year for gaming but 9 of 10 great games are Indie games xDDDDD the one 1 of 10 is Nintendo DK game and new pokemons when pokemon are slop this is still better gameplay wise than other AAA games

[dusky lotus]

You never know. I have more faith in the arabian prince and whoever else owns it now over the previous share holders

[mortal pike]

i hope people doesnt buy a lot of this dlc so Paradox will hold their pride and they will look on us peasants and talk to us because they will be afraid of rebels

[meager dragon]

what do you think will come out first, the oil tycoon dlc for the Sims or a leak about how they're using modern slaves to crunch development :thonk:

[autumn breach]

nah too many people shill paradox and will buy it

[meager dragon]

I'm betting on the oil tycoon dlc

[autumn breach]

its the same problem as call of duty, pople will buy it no matter how abysmally dogshit it is

[dusky lotus]

Its probably getting sold in a few weeks (probably Tencent). They have frozen stock trading.

[tribal stag]

Yeah I know

I’d be surprised if tencent buys em

And not the Saudis or Microsoft

[dusky lotus]

They already own 25% of the subsidiary that has all of the IPs

Really scummy move that shouldn't be legal

[tribal stag]

I can’t talk bad about tencent I work there 😭

[tribal stag]

But yeah

[dusky lotus]

Hahaha well gotta do what you gotta do

Well it wasn't Tencent who did that but Ubisoft

[tribal stag]

I hope paradox stops being like this and goes back to the old ways 😭

they’re the reason I got into game development in the first place

[strange void]

this feels harder to read at a glance than the previous UI

[peak wyvern]

seems simple to me

[hushed lion]

Yeah it's ugly honestly

[willow thistle]

did they actually remove microing

im seeing that in the dlc reviews

[mortal pike]

navy or what

[willow thistle]

divisions

[short tusk]

Looks like the easiest achievement in the game is not the easiest anymore

[hoary siren]

They removed the garrison micro planning

[short tusk]

Sinkiang now has a new rule to not join factions anymore

By default

So you cannot let Sinkiang join Comintern to get that achievement

[willow thistle]

do you know if its part of the free update or the dlc

[hoary siren]

Probably came with a patch fix with the update

[quasi harbor]

why does Tannu tuva assume leadership of the comintern everytime now ahahah

[bleak wagon]

is navy bad with the dlc?

[proud basin]

paradox really need to fix their pricing, I guarantee they are losing sales by increasing it to 30 quid

[hoary siren]

No clue

[bleak wagon]

im watchin a vid rn

seems terrible

[strange void]

couldve sworn i saw something about rangers being a new type of SF inf

for forests

is it only part of NCNS and not the free update?

[bleak wagon]

yeah

[vast shore]

Imo its the exact same just "fancier"

[peak wyvern]

i dont see why people are complaining about the dlc i like it

[quasi harbor]

Where is Warsaw pact focus for ussr?

[peak wyvern]

on the industrial path

at the bottom

[quasi harbor]

I must be legally blind, can you show SS?

[peak wyvern]

yh one second

bottom left

[quasi harbor]

I see the Comecon

No way

They locked that one focus in the dlc too

Whyyyy devs

What greater purpose does that serve?

[peak wyvern]

sure there will be a mod for it in no time

[quasi harbor]

It has to be an accident

Theres no way they locked one historically important focus for the USSR to a dlc about Japan and China

[peak wyvern]

it does sound insane tbf

[quasi harbor]

Not gonna get the dlc out of spite now

[peak wyvern]

😂

[quasi harbor]

Until it gets fixed

[peak wyvern]

it is a good dlc tbf everyones complaing but i find it good

japans communist tree is good

[nimble torrent]

Seems like communist china has gotten a 3d model for the t34, but the soviets didn't get it instead
Is it indended? (might make a bug report later)

[quasi harbor]

I always wait for the feedback from players before buying a dlc, thats why i have all except Goe

[hushed lion]

Just noticed Singapore is it's own state now

Cool

[quasi harbor]

But locking Warsaw pact behind the japan dlc is evil

[peak wyvern]

Goe Is trash maybe the only good tree is iraq and afghanistan

unlike most hoi players i only play single player so i just play for the focus trees not the meta

[hushed lion]

Holy peak

[peak wyvern]

warsaw pact is gonna make me have to replay soviets

[quasi harbor]

Also japan needs a nerf

[peak wyvern]

dont say that

please

i like strong japan

[quasi harbor]

Even vanilla china is having a hard time

And they chonky

[peak wyvern]

i played like half an hour of chinese soviet republic and i did not enjoy it that much

and ive played like 90 hours of communist china

with like rework mods

[quasi harbor]

Also i love how faction leaders are constantly changing because the devs forgot to fix it

[peak wyvern]

havent even played a faction yet

legit first full play through

ive ran into 0 problems

[quasi harbor]

Germany didn't even get to Kiev or Minks

Its may 1942

Historical

[peak wyvern]

like only problem i had was i had to wait half hour to even get to play the dlc

[hushed lion]

Nvm im stupid

[quasi harbor]

Iran with no coal thank you devs, they deserved it

[peak wyvern]

new hatred is japans overwelming amount of 70 day focuses

[quasi harbor]

30 bucks for Warsaw pact

And some minor stuff

[peak wyvern]

support the devs they need to live

[bitter helm]

how have they not learned yet

[hushed lion]

Since the Warsaw pact is there does it mean kruschev can finally do something

[violet cargo]

so do i

[peak wyvern]

fair enough

[violet cargo]

im not paying 30 bucks for something road to 56 had, and some faction thing

[hushed lion]

Also why don't they give Ukraine's kruschev the portrait

[peak wyvern]

doesnt really say much

shouldnt take 70 days to overhaul the education sector

[quasi harbor]

Ah thats why its dlc locked

They shouldn't have made factions dlc locked

[peak wyvern]

yeah i agree with that

[quasi harbor]

Or at least give the focus to base and ignore the faction stuff

[peak wyvern]

what so just chnage faction name to warsaw pact

[quasi harbor]

They would save a lot of headaches from both mods and future dlcs if they implement factions changes into base game

Even if its just the back bone

[peak wyvern]

wouldnt shock me if they to just merge factions into the main game like they did with man the gns

just only time will tell

[quasi harbor]

The faction system will probably end up being overshadowed by mods specifically because it is dlc locked

[hollow lion]

It works quite okay for mods, MtG being integrated saves more work

[quasi harbor]

Which is a shame

[peak wyvern]

i do see in like 3 weeks maybe even before mods just forcing you to have NCNS

[quasi harbor]

The current base factions are completely broken because of NCNS

[peak wyvern]

yeah

[quasi harbor]

The devs will have to fix both

My guess is their new dlc locked faction system broke the existing base one

[peak wyvern]

probably

[quasi harbor]

Half of SA is currently in a faction with Equador as their leader

In historical

[peak wyvern]

jesus

[quasi harbor]

Meijiang is leading the Co prosperity sphere, Tannu tuva the Comintern and Hungary the axis

[peak wyvern]

yeah i presume a hotfix is coming tommorow

[bitter helm]

What is the consensus on Nationalist China in the DLC? They’re the country I was most interested in that was being updated

[quasi harbor]

Probably wait a lil longer for people to do their runs i would assume

[pastel flume]

lol they removed the facist demagaouge and all the leaders for philipines are bugged when you dont have dlc

[strange void]

really hate that non-focus tree content is behind the DLC

i have 0 interest in china or japan but i'd like to actually have factions be useful

[pastel flume]

i hate that manchu paths are dlc locked

manchu isnt even a rework

yugo got extra content in commie path when bftb was released but you didnt need to buy bftb to use it

[quasi harbor]

I hate how my base game got broken by chances from a dlc i dont even have

[strange void]

is the naval rework free or part of the DLC

[timber island]

I can't lie I have seriously hard time looking at the focus tree of Japan. It just seems so messy and painful to read. The conditions and effects could really do with being tidied up visually.

[quasi harbor]

Free, but the new ship types are all dlc exclusive

[rocky escarp]

Carrier Stances don't seem to be accessible in the basegame

if that's part of the 'naval rework'

[quasi harbor]

Didn't try that sorry, but i saw the overall navy works differently

[fresh cedar]

Welcome to Paradox games

[strange void]

also they seem to advertise NCNS as selling the Doctrine rework but that's free too, strange

[quasi harbor]

Additional doctrine things are dlc locked

[strange void]

ah

[quasi harbor]

The faction system is honestly a shame it got completely sidelined into the dlc

The vanilla game could have used the new ui, even without all the fancy goals and stuff

[wooden wyvern]

so

how playable is the game atm

[quasi harbor]

Plus they broke the base factions with this update

With dlc might be more playable than without

At least didn't hear many complaints

[wooden wyvern]

does not sound good

[quasi harbor]

Paradox crippled the game people already had so that they buy the dlc

[peak wyvern]

i just pay for the dlc sub

then at the chance i hate paradox i just stop paying for it

[violet cargo]

does paradox not test the game before updating it?

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[jaunty nebula]

Hello everyone, sorry to bother you. I just bought the new Pacific DLC, but I can't launch or play it even though my game says I have the DLC. What should I do? Thank you for your replies and have a nice evening.

[stable tusk]

Try reinstalling the game

[jaunty nebula]

I make that and restart my computer

[hollow lion]

Clearing cache could be tried also, it clears some stuff that reinstall doesnt

[peak wyvern]

first time ive ever seen the AI get queen lizzie in before

[strange void]

time-traveling looking at this phillipine tree holy shit

so many early 70 day focuses

[peak wyvern]

thats the same with japan

[violet cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-f-gif-9063750

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[woeful oasis]

The Philippines should get a event notification for the Spanish Civil War especially since many of the old wealthy Spanish landowner families in the Philippines applied for Philippine citizenship

[wispy socket]

NOOO factions are part of the DLC

[astral sage]

how do you subdue the kwantung army?

[strange void]

i thought the larger old GBP, SF doctrines would change the choices for the sub doctrines

also naval targetting 🙏 seems like thatll be nice

[hoary siren]

It does for some, but most are available for all

[jolly wasp]

paradox, please stop sending me notices for guangxi clique focuses

[echo olive]

they could add another branch specialism for special forces

[wispy socket]

Oh Lord, those "X has joined Chinese United Front" news events were bad enough, now we're getting notifications for warlord focus completion?

[south meadow]

are doctrines dlc only or are some features integrated to base game?

[rain crag]

my first playthrough, the japanese conquered all of china, made uprisings in raj and burma, and declared war on the soviet union. Then the british started justifying a war goal on me (phillipines). All of this is on historical btw.

before 1942

[devout iron]

You know it feels weird that the patch notes list the updated Faction system just under features instead of under the dlc, when the updated faction stuff is locked behind the dlc. Feels misleading lol.

[civic vine]

this is new right?

[coral drift]

YOOOO, the devs added WPA tag and also the Koreri flag

Feelsgoodman

[coral drift]

Nope, it's since Gotterdammerung. I have a hand on changing the name from Majapahit to Insulindia/Nusantara in the forums

[stuck smelt]

The DLC looks kinda weird UI wise and the price is too high. But the Japan content is really fun so far

and prc looks promising

[civic vine]

they changed the way it works though, it's not just malaya now you can annex other stuff to like philippines, papua new guinea and part of siam. and yeah the name changed too didnt it?

[coral drift]

Yup. It has more steps.

[civic vine]

I appreciate when they extend on random formables so thats nice at least

[coral drift]

Should've moved West Papua to the "Unify Papua" decision too, tbh

But i'm happy

[civic vine]

yeah that's a bit weird that they left it out

philippines can annex it though funnily enough in their formable

same with burma siam and french indochina as well lol

[coral drift]

What do you mean, pardon?

I meant by, the initial formable require you to control the entirety of West Papua to form Nusantara, despite at best Majapahit's Tidorean vassal only controlled Bird's Head Peninsula

[civic vine]

oh wait I see what you mean nvm yeah

[coral drift]

Hopefully they would make WPA's territory uncored by INS, and also Aceh too
The former was only controlled in the coast and waterways, the latter aren't exactly pacified

[pastel flume]

it got reworked you only need malaya and indonesia at first but theres additional decisions, check the wiki

[pastel flume]

west papua?

[coral drift]

I also changed the formable's background in the wiki, lel

[coral drift]

Mhm, check my server

[pastel flume]

cause west papua is WPG

[coral drift]

Ohhh

WPA is its tag in my mod

[pastel flume]

they should have split this state and added the sultanate relesable

[coral drift]

Well, it's already obvious tbh
But i'm wondering whether they would bother to make Jogja and Surakarta their own states and tags

East Indies provinces tiles needs to be more granular

Like EUV

[hollow coral]

Start praying for taog

Im so glad china didnt get any schizo paths tbh

[coral drift]

I have numerous books already for my mod, hehe

Enough for 7 paths without resorting to wacky stuffs, evenmore best if they made proper historical contents for the Indonesian Gunseikan

So we can have Van Mook vs Sukarno in 1946 on historical

[drifting star]

I wish there was a schizophrenic path

We have nuclear McArthur path, a mongol khanate Ang hirihetos wife wonder what else

[hollow coral]

What mongol khanate?

[drifting star]

Khotan can form Turk empire, mongol empire and Chinese empire

[coral drift]

Not just Kumul?

[hollow coral]

not exactly khanate but ok

[hollow coral]

kumul can form yettishar

Thats kinda funny

[drifting star]

Cosmetic tag

Also if your faciest it’s chaggati khanate

[drifting star]

It’s the only one that can form all 3

[coral drift]

Kumul can't form Turkestan?
But can form Mongol and China?

[harsh hull]

Give it time, TAOG is next year and deals with that region

[drifting star]

They can form turkistan

[coral drift]

Yeah, i'm patient until early Feb at the latest

[coral drift]

Clarify me. Only that one?

[drifting star]

All 3 formable

They can unite the Turks form the empire of China and greater mongol empire

[coral drift]

Okay. You said that Khotan can form all three
And now Kumul can too

[coral drift]

^

[drifting star]

Oh shit ur right i meant Kumal

I got the confused

Mb

[harsh hull]

TAOG is meant to be out Q2 next year, so I think we're more likely looking at a May release

Maybe late April if we're lucky

[dense veldt]

I got the new dlc wishlisted, now did anything extra get added for the free part of the update?

Or am I gonna have to wait to spend 30 dollars later this december?

[drifting star]

The secret paths are mid however the new mechanics are great

[dense veldt]

mhm, shame there's NO FREE ADDITIONAL CONTENT TO ENJOY IN THE MEANTIME

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[hollow coral]

probably a few patches in the coming week

[stable tusk]

Other than coal lol

[hollow coral]

Coal is alright

I thought it would ruin a lot of gameplay

[dense veldt]

oh boy, at least we got coal, like a naughty kid on christmas

[hollow coral]

But it just means you play a little smarter

[dense veldt]

how does it effect the total autarky thing for germany?

[hollow coral]

havent played germany yet so wouldnt know

[polar bronze]

why is japans new unit model just the japanese unit with a beard 😭

[hollow coral]

Which model

I know there was a bearded one

[polar bronze]

the second infantry model

[rocky oasis]

Republic of China and Japan should have been separate DLCs. Most of the new Chinese generals are warlords. Philippines should also have more generals. Otherwise, pretty good DLC.

[polar bronze]

like no field cap model or bandana model

[hollow coral]

I frel like philippines shouldnt have been in the dlc

[polar bronze]

same

[hollow coral]

And they should have just focused on china and japan

So more portraits more content for manchukuo and mengjiang

[polar bronze]

manchuria > phillipines

[hollow coral]

Philippines is also kinda underwhelming not saying its bad but it feels like its missing something

Its basically mexico

[rocky oasis]

Nah. It should have been Japan rework, Manchukuo rework, Menjiang, and Mongolia. Rework of the Chinese states in another DLC. Philippines with the US rework.

[hollow coral]

then wouldnt china be underpowered until they got reworked?

anyways i hope they add more generals in the future

asia general pack??

[rocky oasis]

Been thinking about this. I think general packs would only work if it was like the Soviet icon art pack being made in collaboration with modders.

[hollow coral]

Absolutely

Then they wouldnt have to hire one or two artists

[polar bronze]

its a slippery slope

they might hold more content from actual dlc to resell in a pack later

[rocky oasis]

Exactly why I said it should be like the icon art pack, being made in collaboration with modders.

[hollow coral]

There reasoning for the lack of generals was they had a budget for portraits or smthn

[rocky oasis]

Ideally, Paradox should just add the generals for free though.

[dense veldt]

Here's what the new autarky requirements are as germany

[hollow coral]

But artists would probably be willing to do it for a cheaper price

[dense veldt]

500 coal is crazy

[polar bronze]

they did that with no step back white russia

added more generals

because they had almost none

[hollow coral]

They still have a lackluster selection but it works

[rocky oasis]

They were added because they made the portraits for Germany since they were German collaborators.

[strange void]

this is the only focus of the non-NCNS trees that was updated to reflect coal existing

which is a shame

[harsh hull]

But did they remember to update the kommissariats this time?

[strange void]

you'd think with adding a new resource they'd at least consider other trees

really gonna show how rough italy actually had it

since they had like none

[dapper lance]

why does it feel like my troops auto attacking ai is dumber now?

randomly my tanks just charge 10 tiles headfirst into chinese territory with nothing backing it then they get encircled

no battle plan too, just a frontline

[crude condor]

Is coal only with the new DLC or is it integrated into the rest of the game?

[dapper lance]

new dlc

[crude condor]

Alright thanks

[coral drift]

Wdym?
If it is NCNS-locked, then it's not. It is part of the base game

[crude condor]

I meant like some of the features are changed without buying the DLC like doctrines, factions, and historical Japan focus tree as an example.

[boreal cape]

Just wondering does militia and irregular got unlocked with the sub doctrine

I can see how cheesy mass mob will be in normal game

[dapper lance]

is there a mod or feature that lets ships get auto assigned to different task groups? I wanna evenly spread repair and support ships

[stable tusk]

factions is locked behind DLC iirc

[wooden wyvern]

as far as i can tell coal is in the game

factions def arent but ai has it for some reason

hence tuva taking leadership from ussr

[rocky oasis]

@hollow coral Urzhin Garmaev has been added to Manchukuo.

[fresh cedar]

Dang dude AI spamming units mid to late game is gross 😭

[steep kraken]

How do you get faction influence as china?

[strong grail]

New update feels a lot laggier

[stable tusk]

Yeah prob because they added a bunch of new tags

[stuck smelt]

chat is this historical

[fresh cedar]

Historical is so ahistorical now lol

[hollow palm]

Fr. Germany attacked sweden in my gamd

[hollow palm]

True

[hollow coral]

yes

w devs

[turbid furnace]

So the new faction system.... What does it actually change what can I do for my influence points?

Because ok I completed many short and mid term goals

What does it actually do

[uneven lagoon]

hi, i just played japan and did the soviet war until this whitepeace over siberia. in die exact same tick i whitepeaced the soviets capitulated to the germans. the game said there was a peace conference but i ended up puppeting the rest of russia/mongolia/tannu tuva
is this supposed to happen, so does the white peace end in a russian puppet or was it just buggy?

[urban wraith]

still waiting for research queue update. day 489

[molten torrent]

is this...is this suppose to happen? (i dont have the DLC)

[winter tartan]

Thoughts about the new DLC? (Leaving aside the price tag)

[cloud tusk]

It seems the KMT is allergic to going on the frontline in the Shandong Clique

[cloud tusk]

Overall I like it, the doctrine and naval game additions are very nice. There are some bugs and minor issues I have with the Japanese focus tree, can't say much about the others as I haven't tried them

[hollow coral]

some parts of the dlc are kind of underwhelming but regardless it is a good rework

[harsh hull]

Not that anyone was curious

But this is what we're looking at with no DLC enabled

Which, honestly, not a bad selection here

Sure, you got a few stinkers, like the TFV trees, but without any DLC at all, it's better than nothing

[hollow coral]

Is the japan tree a few small paths and one long historical path

[harsh hull]

Something like that, yeah

[ashen pollen]

I have never heard of "borrowing that's inside" in my culture but okay...

[vast shore]

nothing

It's literally windows dressing

The army theather is nice

gives slight buffs

If you have high manifest you also get a few buffs

but I hoped for more

:/

[turbid furnace]

Navy changes underwhelming, faction changes underwhelming, Philippines underwhelming I heard, Japan ok, China idk

I hoped for more

I missed anything?

Except 30€

[brittle venture]

china is extremely weak tho

[vast shore]

Commie China is fun

[turbid furnace]

I haven't played every china so I can't say

But everyone likes commie china so I believe it's done goos

[dark hound]

The doctrine rework is actually pretty fire ngl.

[turbid furnace]

Good

[dapper lance]

japan is more than ok

[dark hound]

I don't know why Sichuan started a coalition against me as Chiang, right before the Truce with Japan was about to start.

[robust grail]

Do we got new META? Is SPG gonna be good know?

[dapper lance]

line artillery got a few buffs but idk if it's useful yet

[turbid furnace]

Oh we have rangers lol forgot about them. The doctrines are fine, I like them a lot a lot only problem is that I have to choose one sub doctrine. For example if I choose carrier naval bombers doctrine I can't choose any for CAS

But they finally don't suck all of XP out

[dapper lance]

that's why you have factions

[turbid furnace]

How so?

[dapper lance]

the tab that lets you share subdoctrines

[turbid furnace]

I'm not trying to hate rn I maybe just haven't discovered everything

[turbid furnace]

Oh... That's nice, how does it work?

[dapper lance]

it seems they just get shared once you unlock them

maybe there's smth else to it, I only just unlocked this part of the faction menu as japan

[brittle venture]

ok so

main china starts with 10% efficiency on their gun line

which is really bad

[dapper lance]

wait it might be that you can swap between subdoctrines and your faction members contribute the mastery

[brittle venture]

and the entire chinese army (including warlords) is 220~ divisions

with a combined 29.9K/130K guns

a deficit which you cant fix before war

and even just main china alone has like a 30K gun deficit

which it also cannot really fix in time

japan instead starts with better production lines and can just battleplan china down without skill if it wants to

[turbid furnace]

So after mastering one doctrine you can start another?

[brittle venture]

you can start multiple simultaneously it just takes some xp

[dapper lance]

I thought you could only have one selected

do the bonuses stack?

[turbid furnace]

I CAN?

I thought it will replace the current one

[dapper lance]

if so, no wonder I was losing earlier

[dapper lance]

same

[brittle venture]

yes

[brittle venture]

one per column

[turbid furnace]

Well yeah that's what I'm talking about

[dapper lance]

yeah

[turbid furnace]

I can't have more then one per column

[brittle venture]

thats still doing multiple simultaneously?

[turbid furnace]

So that's why I said I don't like it that if choose one column for carrier naval bombers it locks me from being able to have any CAS doctrine

[brittle venture]

thats a conscious decision you have to make yes

[turbid furnace]

Yes and that's what I'd change a bit because it's really situational

[dapper lance]

you can switch between and the mastery saves I believe

[turbid furnace]

So let's say if I complete one doctrine full

And I start another one

[dapper lance]

correction, no you can not

just tried

there goes my combat width lol

[brittle venture]

thats how its meant to be?

like you pick one to "master"

you cant be good at everything

[turbid furnace]

Well yeah I can't master everything but

What If I could pick 2 doctrines but it would mean I can't get the V mastery?

That would be fun

[brittle venture]

anticipate the future conflict

you can change, but it will take significant time

[turbid furnace]

Yeah I anticipate I will need CAS and will have lots of naval fighting what now

[brittle venture]

then pick the one you need more

typically that would be CAS

[dapper lance]

choose one

switch when you're done

if you have strong faction members, switching is easy

[dark hound]

Why does Sichuan have so much industry?

[turbid furnace]

Fair enough I guess

[brittle venture]

its an industrial region?

thats kinda it

[dark hound]

Sichuan?

[turbid furnace]

So how do they help again? I didn't get to that yet

[brittle venture]

yes it has a lot of major cities

[dapper lance]

they contribute the thing that gives you progression on your subdoctrine

[brittle venture]

very centralized, though

[dapper lance]

and I believe you can jump to their level of subdoctrine

if you switch to the same one

[dark hound]

Also as weak as the Central Government is, the other Warlords should be much weaker.

[dapper lance]

maybe?

idk

[heavy bolt]

Is there any doctrine builds similar to ma right?

[dark hound]

Chiang's forces might be using Mauser Rifles but the others guys are stuck with Mauser Pistols.

[dapper lance]

yes

you can choose mass assault main tactic

then large unit tactics under infantry for the combat width

and desperate defense under operations for the manpower

[brittle venture]

the warlords are weaker?

[heavy bolt]

.3 instead of .4 combat width reduction though

[brittle venture]

most of the warlords are part of the kuomintang anyway

just not under chiang's direct control

this is more of a historical thing, but most of the kmt controlled regions were through alliances and warlord-esque rulers

[dapper lance]

not that big of a deal 😭

you can't get it any lower

[turbid furnace]

Opinions on rangers?

[dapper lance]

haven't used them yet cuz I dont have any forest to fight through

[ashen pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

Wasn't the allies mostly democratic?

[quasi harbor]

"Declare war on democracy"

[merry wharf]

bruh why did the USA send everyone to africa

[quasi harbor]

Civil war baby

[merry wharf]

not to europe

i capitulated

[upper hollow]

Whats new without dlc? If there is smth

[quasi harbor]

Navy and doctrines, also Japan historical tree

Also china blue

[upper hollow]

Thats the important stuff

[quasi harbor]

Dark blue CUF way better

[coral drift]

Can someone screenshoot the game's front menu screen?

[median bronze]

japan is literally so easy lmao

china is so weak cuh

[turbid furnace]

I'm playing as britain before war and somehow Oman has 40% of faction influence and I have 13%

Why

I have no idea

[dapper lance]

scientists, most likely

if you put in supporting scientists to other's facilities, you get influence

[turbid furnace]

So I give the facility and everything, Oman gives 2 scientists

Oman carriers the allies

It's influence shadows Britain

[dapper lance]

yup

cuz i dont think the other faction members benefit from the facility

so it's more like they're donating their scientists to your research

[turbid furnace]

They get 10% of the research

And some XP to scientists

[crimson tartan]

ayooo

ayooo????

oh ok most of them are just about OVERPRICED

[quasi harbor]

Which is true

50% more expensive than the average dlc

[cloud tusk]

It is very expensive

[turbid furnace]

I'd say it's too expensive

[quasi harbor]

For that price devs should have included the Siam, East Indies and Australia in it too

[cloud tusk]

^ Agreed

I do feel it's upper management limited the scope of the expansion so that they can release country packs/theatre packs and make more money

[crimson tartan]

yeah i also can't get why is it 30$ and not 25$ for example, like the previous one
but for some reason people were also crying about 25$ dlc

[cloud tusk]

Siam, Manchu and all the warlords should have been more apart of this

[hollow coral]

probably not adding more countries but they definitely should have added a lot more content

[crimson tartan]

and about 15$
and 5$?

[cloud tusk]

I think a fair price in todays market would be between 15-20$

[quasi harbor]

All other dlcs have always been 20, they pushed themselves with Gott being 25, but making the next dlc 30 is wild

In the spam of 2 years dlcs became 50% more expensive

[turbid furnace]

It's funny they gave waking a tiger and man the guns into basic game because imagine giving a free update to a dlc nah

And making dlc to a dlc would look bad

[hollow coral]

money is money

[cloud tusk]

I'm also very dissapointed in the lack of graphical updates to the icons for equipment, aircraft and ships in this DLC. Japan had a very distinct look to their carriers and aircraft which I would love to see

[turbid furnace]

Next thing they gonna remove together for victory because imagine making a dlc to a dlc (looking at Australia here)

I bet

[crimson tartan]

um.... they already did it?

[hollow coral]

what

[quasi harbor]

They already have lol

[turbid furnace]

They what

[quasi harbor]

It was the first 3 dlcs

[hollow coral]

they did like a year ago

[crimson tartan]

all first 4 dlcs are now part of the base game

[quasi harbor]

That got integrated

Now 4

Cuz Mtg also got integrated

[mortal pike]

30 Euro DLC btw factions doesnt work if u dont have dlc

[hollow coral]

realistically they would stop integrating before nsb

[quasi harbor]

They keep making things more and more expensive which i hate

Im not getting more money, and i doubt they are getting poorer

[crimson tartan]

what exactly is broken

[cloud tusk]

I mean it is not just Paradox, every publsiher wants to push the limits on how expensive they can make stuff

[turbid furnace]

Ah so think about any of the old dlc, now they gonna remove it and make a new one that's basically a dlc to this dlc

[dusk mist]

I assume they broke it by accident not on purpose

[quasi harbor]

Base game factions are broken, faction leaders keep switching, random factions pop out of nowhere

[mortal pike]

30 Euro DLC by accident they should playtest 20 times game without DLC and fix it before they did it

[crimson tartan]

hmm yeah
i just have not played the game after update yet and since i got no dlc i wanna know what exactly is broken

[mortal pike]

and not expect that everyone will pay this scammy price

[crimson tartan]

😔

[dusk mist]

For sure

Although this was technically the free patch which broke things

[mortal pike]

i did already returned to 1.16.10 version of the game

[dusk mist]

Since it breaks without having the dlc

[quasi harbor]

Im gonna wait for the 20% discount

So i can have it for 35% off

[crimson tartan]

is it so bad?

[mortal pike]

not going to pay 30 Euro for DLC

[cloud tusk]

No, it is not that bad. Worse for minors

[quasi harbor]

Since this is a main dlc everyone gets a 15% discount through the major pack

[mortal pike]

and i wonder how bad are now minors with coal and i have so many achievements with minors yet so i dont want to play on bugged game

[mortal pike]

thats not enough with this discount this is still more expensive than Hades 2 for example

[dusk mist]

Apparently coal is a little annoying and that's it, no positive effect though.

[quasi harbor]

Coal is intended to nerf nations with poor access to one of the most important resources

Which is fine

[turbid furnace]

So it means we should just let it happen? I think we should stop buying paradoxes dlc cuz it's the only language they understand
Moeny

Money

[cloud tusk]

Not at all what I mean

[mortal pike]

i wonder if you can buy entire coal of the world as US and broke game

unless some countries go closed economy

[quasi harbor]

Paradox super greedy, if they dont get money from hoi4 they cut their funding and just charge more for their other games

[mortal pike]

anyway changed my name, going live with it

[turbid furnace]

Then just let them die, it was a fun run but yeah

Other people also make games

[crimson tartan]

say it louder

oh

sorry wrong person

[crimson tartan]

this.

[turbid furnace]

Additional i live in Poland where steam currency exchange treat us like garbage

Sometimes it makes the game 30-50% more

[coral drift]

322k Rupiahs is around 11.7 kilos of chicken eggs here, lel

Okay maybe 12 kilos

[crimson tartan]

cooperate with the other people

sign petition

do something

if you actually want to change something

i ain't saying it's gonna happen
but at least you got a chance

[near rover]

How the dlc lads?

[cloud tusk]

Mixed feelings, some good parts, some not so good. Price is very high tho

[near rover]

Paradox

I didn't except a low price

[rigid olive]

wait its bundling tho ?

[cloud tusk]

No me neither, I used the subscription tbf. I've only played Japan as of yet, and the update to them is very welcome, some stuff I wish were there but not a big deal. Coal seems to have no impact on Japan which is strange, I assume it is the same for all majors. Navy Update is a very good addition, aswell as the Doctrines rework.

[cloud tusk]

I can't afford the expansion pass

[crimson tartan]

i feel like
we need the new way to make dlcs

[near rover]

Oh yea

I totally forgor about coal

[rigid olive]

nah bcs i buy exp pass

[cloud tusk]

I would prefer less frequency and more quality

[cloud tusk]

Thought that was what you meant by bundling

[rigid olive]

SA DLC is good ?

[turbid furnace]

You think I didn't? It's really big thing in Poland

[harsh hull]

Aw nice, they've already got Singapore split off into its own state

[turbid furnace]

UOKIK (the department of fair trade and consumer protection) is looking at the case

[hushed lion]

Graveyard of empires or the upcoming siam, Indonesia and Australia dlc?

[rapid warren]

is NCNS worth it lads ?

[open vault]

they didnt give it proper content doe

all its character names r wrong

same with sarawak

[crimson tartan]

ok i'm fkcing hate navy and i will never play country based on navy

they only navy i like is that in eu5
simply "more ships = win"

those designers
i mean yeah, i kinda like it
but it is strategy game not tactical wargame

hope we will never see something like this again

[brittle venture]

same in hoi

more ship win combat if stats combined higher

[coral kraken]

Which Democratic China leader is the most Based?

[stuck smelt]

Coal seems to have almost no effect on the game when playing as a major even Japan

[proven otter]

50 Australian dollars for dlc, since when did hoi4 start getting god awful sims 4 pricing for dlc

[thick edge]

It’s 2025

This is normal for games

[stuck smelt]

42 aud actually

but still way too much

[dense gale]

its an ok dlc

if u own all other major dlc

theres a 15% discount right now for ncns

[brisk patrol]

• Play Japan

• No divisons and no weapons to increase army

• invade china

• get pushed back by a bajillion troops after a while

• Play china

• Every division sucks and is undersupplied

• Japan invades

• they somehow have a bajillion divisions and I cant make anymore

ive become so horrible at hoi4 now i cant do shit

[cloud tusk]

I just calculcated something, if you didnt want to buy all the DLCs, and just bought the subscription. It would take 2,5 years of constant subscription before you equaled the cost of all dlcs

And that is buying 1 month subscriptions at a time

[gusty tulip]

Based

[gusty tulip]

whats the price of all of them combined

215?

[cloud tusk]

280 USD thats including all the non-essential stuff

[gusty tulip]

Youre from the usa then right

[cloud tusk]

Nope, Norway

[gusty tulip]

How much is the monthly subscriprion

Ah

[gusty tulip]

in norway then

[cloud tusk]

Monthly subscription is 8.68 USD for 1 month

[gusty tulip]

Mine is 8.99chf

11.15 usd

[cloud tusk]

16.10 USD for 3 months

Damn

[gusty tulip]

oh my bad its 7.99

chf

[cloud tusk]

Damn yours is more cheap then

But the prices for DLC may differ aswell

So I'd advise doing the calculation on your own if you want an accurate answer

[coral drift]

86k Rupiahs a month means that you would only spend 10 months

Well, i'm only considering the main DLCs

[cloud tusk]

Yeah but that is fair, I compared all of them since you get all of the DLC with the subscription

[hushed lion]

You need to edit the japan template to remove the extra row of infantry

It makes it far cheaper and generally better

[wet roost]

peak

[hushed lion]

Wtf happened in Mongolia

Also why didn't you give the manchus outer manchuria

Also also do any of the siberian releaseables have leaders now

[wet roost]

Apparently, you can transfer some of the soviet territories to inner mongolia via decisions, but not outer mongolia lmao

[wet roost]

they didnt ask

[wet roost]

err not really

[hollow coral]

I notice the releasables have unique names is it like decisions or just manual release

[hushed lion]

Oh it's rhe scripted peace

[hollow coral]

not going to lie japan should get more releasables

Puppet gov

[wet roost]

At least mongolia got a new leader

[hushed lion]

There should be a white russia puppet similar to azad hind

[hollow coral]

For some reason you can create a puppet state in sri lanka

[wet roost]

Tibet as well

[hollow coral]

thats through an event chain im oretty sure

[hushed lion]

With a generic 😭

[hollow coral]

Either that or some east siberian resource state

[hushed lion]

It's a bit like the german empires wales, Scotland and Britanny releaseables

[hushed lion]

Is it not avaliable by just flipping fascist?

[hollow coral]

Its just seems very abitrary

[hollow coral]

only communist has a leader at the start

This leaders through an event chain

[hushed lion]

If you make a decision, paradox, atleast give the releaseables an actual leader

[hollow coral]

They gave more leaders to tibet than mongolia💔

[hushed lion]

I love how they have mengjiang so many names

[hollow coral]

its seems like such a waste that mengjiang didnt get a focus tree

Unless they want to do a mongol theatre pack in the future

[hushed lion]

Should've been a small focus tree like the unique ones for the warlords

Alongside the generic tree

[hollow coral]

i feel like the focus for the GEACPS is too hyped up

It gives decisions to release indochina into two states or the 3 states

And for some reason ceylon

no malaya no indonesia

[hushed lion]

Yeah that's upsetting although do the various new releaseables in malaya have leaders? If so that is an acceptable alternative if so

There should also be portraits for Nepal and Bhutan since you can puppet them

[hollow coral]

nope

Hopefully TaoG can fix some of these since they are focusing on only 3 or so countries

[hushed lion]

Wdym, why shouldn't they be added?

[hollow coral]

Referring to the malaysian releasables

Also idk what leaders for fascist bhutan an nepal

Unless they just make the monarchs fascist

[hushed lion]

They don't thats why I said they should give them some

If kaiserredux can have a leader portrait for every random rock in the pacific why can't hoi4 just give releaseables proper leaderd

[hollow coral]

sorry i thought you were asking if nepal and bhutan had new portraits too

For nepal it was under a military dictatorship so ig fascism could work

Bhutan idk just make the leader align with japan

[hushed lion]

Siam also has a generic but I won't complain about it cause it will be resolved in thr next dlc

This dlc has so many long names and I love it

[hollow coral]

Im surprised they didnt give them any skeleton content

It also just feels like philippines was stamped into the dlc

its really lacking something when the industry tree is the biggest tree

[hushed lion]

Like to be fair why give them skeleton content for just a few months when afterwards they are going to be the main focus of an upcoming dlc

[hollow coral]

I mean thats what skeleton content is

[hushed lion]

I guess

Honestly it should've been siam in this dlc not the Philippines

[hollow coral]

either that or they shouldve just fully focused on china and japan

Its evident they expended resources on the philippines seeing theres only 2 starting generals

[barren tusk]

Overall of the dlc chat?

[rocky escarp]

Exploit fixed so you can't get planning on units that aren't actually on a frontline from defence orders on neutral territory, but they should have added this before uprooting a core part of how people micro with units https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/no-compromise-no-surrender-patch-notes.1868750/post-30914444

I wonder if I will be able to hard-micro defence now

[hollow coral]

Regardless of the price i do believe the team did well on this dlc

[barren tusk]

Yeah I agree. However I feel china (mainland) is small focus tree

[hollow coral]

Just some things fell through

[barren tusk]

Comparing communist china

I haven't played yet china

[hollow coral]

Im pretty sure they have relatively similar focus counts

Just the way its structured

[barren tusk]

Probably

I liked the Hispanic addition to Philippines

Well taken

[hollow coral]

But they kinda fumbled on the roc

[hushed lion]

Generally love it

[hollow coral]

democratic path is pretty lacklustre just uniting china and freeing asia which is a pretty basic democratic path

Havent tried fascist yet but looks slright

[barren tusk]

Something I want to ask here is being Philippines how are you suppose to defeat USA in civil war lol

[hollow coral]

And the historical and ahistorical are structured weirdly

[hollow coral]

what civil wat

[barren tusk]

I see

[hushed lion]

No guangdong fascist leader literally unplayable

[hollow coral]

state of guangdong mentioned

[barren tusk]

Another thing I didn't see was you can't releasee north Korea?

[hushed lion]

No way tno reference

[hollow coral]

I already modded guangdong for funny tno

[hollow coral]

i mean makes sense

It is an artificial state

[hushed lion]

The long names are so good

[winged shore]

Unplayable! Get your shit together Paradox

[faint parrot]

Not that deep

[south meadow]

you can go to hoi4 loc and fix it btw

[winged shore]

if we don't do something now then they will forget a Picture next Time and eventually they will forget the whole dlc and just want 30€

[winged shore]

yea but I paid 30€ and also that was a joke btw

[south meadow]

payed

🥀

[winged shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-dance-down-syndrome-black-downsyndrome-kid-gif-14203093815394597662

[hushed lion]

New puyi?

[wet roost]

thats his younger brother lol

[hushed lion]

Ah

[mortal pike]

30 euro dlc

[peak wyvern]

trying to para drop and it says no paratroopers in command group even tho ive got paratroopers ready

nevermind my dumb ass forgot to take out artillery divs

[crimson tartan]

what's up

oh yeah something about cohesion

[gentle igloo]

Where do you watch this?

[crimson tartan]

https://steamdb.info/app/394360/info/

[olive fulcrum]

What is this update?

[rocky escarp]

Quick fix if this is the update

[crimson tartan]

ow

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1p2zi7l/no_compromise_no_surrender_hotfix_korean/

i see

added Korean Localization

oh wow

[drifting delta]

Hi. Whats part of the free patch and whats part of the dlc?

[wise oxide]

lets goo

someone show 1939 start date china plz

[floral tangle]

"Fixed a bug where, without "No Compromise, No Surrender", Tannu Tuva had great ambition and was not afraid to show it"

What does this mean ?

[rocky escarp]

Faction leadership

[mental onyx]

I've been in the reddit and seeing a lot of posts of tannu tuva taking over the comintern

[thick edge]

They became faction leader

[tranquil crow]

DLC comes with a new naval system, buildings, and updated focus trees. Patch made China look funny, added coal, new doctrines, etc.

[thick edge]

Of Comintern

[rocky escarp]

Patch came with a new naval system?

But carrier stances DLC

[floral tangle]

Ah..... well they finally show a fraction of their true potential

(Thanks for the answer btw )

[cosmic falcon]

A bit weird how Hirohito is shown as the countries starting leader in the country selection screen.

[hushed lion]

Technically he is the leader

[rocky escarp]

They thought it would be weirder if it shifted from Hirohito to another leader across an update after so long

[peak wyvern]

national defense act focus for the Philippines is 105 days holy mother of god

[cloud tusk]

Hover over him and you'll see why

[hushed lion]

No way gemrnay is actually giving territory to the reichskommisariats in peace deals now

Peak dlc

[peak wyvern]

no way

[left portal]

how do you make factions in the new dlc?

[peak wyvern]

need national spirit

[urban wraith]

still waiting for research queue update. day 489

[left portal]

can you not use allow diplo anymore?

[peak wyvern]

same here

dont think so

havent made a faction yet so cant tell you what they have changed

[hollow nacelle]

have they fixed optimization yet

[hushed lion]

Same as before

[fresh cedar]

Every game I’ve played on historical, the US doesn’t ever remotely beat Japan

The US got nerfed so bad

[left portal]

thats what im trying to do but I cant find the button

[rocky escarp]

Think Arheo addressed this on the forum
Explicitly denied focus tree queue though, unlike research

[cosmic falcon]

Ooooh.

[peak wyvern]

i presume then you have to make it on your country tab

as it says create faction

[left portal]

yep

I saw it

thanks

[peak wyvern]

all good

[left portal]

weird new place for it

[fresh cedar]

Has anyone seen the USA actually win?

Also enemy unit spam is crazy now

Will have 10-30 divisions a tile

[left portal]

cant wait for the mod that adds a faction template that is est pre-dlc faction mechanics for mp

[rocky escarp]

There was always a create faction button I think

Just not a big text button

[left portal]

it use to be when you clicked on another country

but now its on your own countries ui

[fresh cedar]

Anarchism got mega nerfed. Energy consumption similar to total mobilization

[left portal]

ngl just like the spy insignia I feel the faction insignia leave...alot to be wanted but it dosent really matter as everyone will est forget it exists within a week and quick click through it

[peak wyvern]

anyone actually used rangers yet and if so are they any good

[fresh cedar]

They are better than mountaineers I think

But tbh idk what’s meta yet

[peak wyvern]

ok cheers

[dark hound]

Is like the political tree of China a bit useless?

[fresh cedar]

Nah like I had them with like 450-500 soft attack on a 20 combat width. But couldn’t push into enemies

[uneven lagoon]

Anyone an idea how navy now works? Strike force does not project supremacy but recon does and convoy raid makes the enemy's smaller. But 1 good recon ship per seatile apparently isn't enough

[peak wyvern]

oh damn

not good

[fresh cedar]

Tbh ground forces just seem broken now

[cosmic falcon]

It's weird how Syngman Rhee doesn't have his own portrait.

[left portal]

you need alot more ships now it seems

[fresh cedar]

Like enemies can easily push you, it’s hard to push them

[peak wyvern]

hopefully they fix it with the hot patch

[fresh cedar]

Idek, I liked the meta before. Now it just seems like everything rips apart everything but also not at the same time

Like since units have higher attack stats, you just lose equipment mad quick now

[peak wyvern]

my meta of inf and arti with a light tank still works so i cant complain

[uneven lagoon]

I had like 100 more ships than the usa in a tile and couldnt get supremacy because strikeforce does not count

[left portal]

you need patrol and strike force ships now

since strike force just sits in port est

[peak wyvern]

holy japan is strong

wth

[uneven lagoon]

So the big fleet on patrol or are a few patrol cruiser enough?

[fresh cedar]

Can you give templates and doctrines? Bc that’s what I’m trying to but seems worse now

[left portal]

depends on the enemy ig

[peak wyvern]

yeah sure give me a second

[fresh cedar]

Japan is literally way too strong or USA is too weak

Never seen the USA beat Japan now

[left portal]

probably both

[uneven lagoon]

Because as japan you can't afford the oil to go whole fleet on patrol

[fresh cedar]

Japans battle V USA should always be an uphill battle for Japan. Not even or in japans favor

[left portal]

newer focus trees seem to be stronger and stronger while providing less fun overall and the usa's tree is ancient and lacks the stats new ones give let alone full compatibility with other dlcs

[peak wyvern]

6 inf 2 arti 1 light tank mass assault

that was before the dlc tho

[fresh cedar]

Also Japan had like 69 million people in 1939. In game it’s 76 million now

[peak wyvern]

so might be a bit dodgy now

[fresh cedar]

I tried that and just ended up losing a ton of arty

Like you lose supply so quick now idk why

[left portal]

actually dog template even before dlc for anything but like, maybe sp depending on ai

[fresh cedar]

Line arty better now actually

[uneven lagoon]

I also saw that usa couldnt get a big fleet together, i sunk so many destroyer that protected their convoys until they had none to screen their carriers

[fresh cedar]

The US literally just sucks now

[left portal]

still isnt really worth doing tbh

[fresh cedar]

Especially their navy

[peak wyvern]

normally use rocket arti but most the time it doesnt work

[left portal]

marine-mountianers got a ton of buffs

so

if you dont care about cheese

[peak wyvern]

marine divison world conquest

[left portal]

just set up some of those

[robust grail]

At some point, prx must update their AI, there are too many thing it was not suppose to manage

[fresh cedar]

Is that better than Mass Mob inf spam?

[left portal]

alot

[fresh cedar]

Bc special forces have a higher weight than infantry

[left portal]

you can get tank stats depending on build

[fresh cedar]

Which doctrine

[left portal]

dont know exactly which one is best in the new dlc but anything priortizing inf should be good

and just get special forces doctrine

[peak wyvern]

inf in general is good in my eyes

inf and arti normally works for me

[left portal]

if the ai ever learns to make good heavy tanks without rushing to shitty moderns

your cooked

ngl

[fresh cedar]

I’ve been trying inf as China. But Japan is legit so strong

[peak wyvern]

yeah fair point

japan in my save is cooking china

[fresh cedar]

They’ll have 10-20 divisions per tile

[peak wyvern]

been at war for like 3 weeks and half then warlords are gone

[left portal]

like, its not even good heavy tanks tbh. aslong as their alright inf with arty gets shredded without proper setup and/or your own tanks.

[fresh cedar]

I feel like there lowkey may be too many stats stacking on eachother now. It’s hard to balance

[left portal]

but the ai just isnt built for everything and does random stuff est

[fresh cedar]

Have any of you genuinely had luck as China? Japan is brutal. I beat them but it was such an annoying war

[peak wyvern]

normally run some anti tank but i think anti tank is there just for effects as it never does anything

[left portal]

agianst ai anti tank is conffetti cananons. your not getting your worth 99 percent of the time less its like 1999 and every ai has 4 moderns per tile

if your just going agianst ai

do inf bricks and focus on air or do tanks with anti air to just murder them most the time

[peak wyvern]

got it thanks

[left portal]

(I dont think air meta has changed that much outside of doctrine?)

[peak wyvern]

would you reccomend support arti or not

[left portal]

if your rich enough for it yes

[peak wyvern]

as the Philippines

[quasi harbor]

Tannu tuva wasn't the only country with great ambitions, i hope they fixed the problem for all factions

[left portal]

but 36w with just shovels can get the job done just aswell with enough cas

[left portal]

now I think of it, the tanu tuva achivement might be near on impossible now

I remember it requiring alot of faction meming, which may not be possible now

[fresh cedar]

36w was working absolutely trash for me. I switched to 20w and did much better

[left portal]

what was your build

[fresh cedar]

Mass mob 36 width

[left portal]

if your just body charging then yes 20w is better, cheaper and more efficent

[fresh cedar]

And it was complete trash

[left portal]

then yeah ofc

your mass mob

thats like taking a brick or 15 smaller bricks to break a bunch of windows

[fresh cedar]

Tf else you do 36w at

[left portal]

air mainly

[fresh cedar]

I tried 36w superior firepower, with arty support. Still trash

[left portal]

you just cover the front in a good amount like, 2-4 per tile then mass fund cas

[fresh cedar]

Nah like 36w meta seemed dead

[coral drift]

Oh this
Sejozwak complained a lot about this

[left portal]

as it isnt really meta, atleast for inf

[fresh cedar]

Was before

[left portal]

36w cav has its own market but that somethin completetly dif

[fresh cedar]

Atleast for special forces

[left portal]

not inf really. sf yeah but it est still is

[quasi harbor]

I assume its the Tannu tuva would take leadership of the Commintern, but in my game, Hungary took control of the axis and Meijiang took control of the Co prosperity sphere too

[fresh cedar]

Nah I tried SF 36w and it was straight terrible

[left portal]

you only use 36w if your going to win the air war or going to have good tanks. it dosent take a compelxe ai to beat 36ws with no air or ground support

[peak wyvern]

is mass assualt even good now for the Philippines

[left portal]

still happening

[fresh cedar]

With like 6 fully supply 36w rangers I couldn’t push 2 Japanese divisions that I had 3 tiles against

[left portal]

france took over allies just for poland to take it from em

[fresh cedar]

I changed to 20 w, easily pushed

[left portal]

as your pushing with 6 36w rangers agianst japanese who probably have air

[fresh cedar]

No air

The air zone was legit empty

[left portal]

thats your issue then