latest-updates

[vast shore]

s

[safe trail]

and tommorow maybe with the archivments if some warlords gets unique mechaniks

[vast shore]

probably not

[safe trail]

ah soory unique Archivments

[vast shore]

Achievements maybe

but definintely no mechanics

[safe trail]

avange you father as Zhang xueliang form the Beyang Clique (rebublic)

[vast shore]

so true

Li Zongren's Revenge

As Li Zongren, unify China

[safe trail]

ther can be only one as a Man state Unite the MA clique

[safe trail]

i hope the generic tree they get later on is not all 70 days

[lofty heron]

I did see that Manchukuo are getting a Beiyang Clique path

which is nice

they seem to be able to go communist on that branch too

[safe trail]

Manschuko and the warlord state witch is lead by Zhang xueliang

[safe trail]

manschoku can have all 4 Idioiges

[lofty heron]

honestly I thought Zhang was just a Kuomintang general by 1936

which warlord state does he rule?

[safe trail]

nah he was in prision until the 80s 90s

[vast shore]

I hate Chiang

[safe trail]

as warlord declare yourself Emperor

[safe trail]

i love him because he hated communist

[lofty heron]

not until 1937

[safe trail]

yes from 1937 to 1990 he was a prisoner

[lofty heron]

aye

game start date is 1936

lol

[safe trail]

yes but you can chose not to be a ally of communist china and declare war on them and so not to be deposed

i hope Sun Li-jen is in Game

[safe trail]

Why ? and yes i know he is a dictaor

[vast shore]

Exactly

you hit the nail on the head

[safe trail]

i mean in a civil war i understand why a dictar was nneded i hate him when he was in taiwan

[safe trail]

so you first playthrough with the rebublik is Blue shirts,wang oder Democratic

[vast shore]

the CCP

Then every other warlord

[safe trail]

yes and you have mulitbel leader to chose as democratic china

[vast shore]

I just dont like playing China

RoC

[safe trail]

i will declare my self emperor as Long Yun

[vast shore]

but I love the warlords

[safe trail]

the dlc is nice i will play with the communist maybe not to often but yeah

[safe trail]

and as madschoku the constituelen monarchy path as 5 Equel Peopel

[vast shore]

Manchuria is a bit boring

you just let Japan do the work

and hope they give you your land

[safe trail]

i waill always declare my indipendence

[vast shore]

ah thats cool

[safe trail]

yes 5 Races under one banner Han Manchu KOreans Mongolians and russians

[safe trail]

yesterday they confiremed in the talk koreans will have unique leaders

[vast shore]

eh

not important

korea spawns occupied

[safe trail]

a bit for flavor when you liberated then

[vast shore]

Thats fair

[safe trail]

they aso said tibet has army leaders and county leaders

[safe trail]

i hoped when the annunced the dlc Tibet Mengoku gets minotr trres like urugay

[vast shore]

What focus tree?

warlord or generic?

[safe trail]

no

[safe trail]

generic

[vast shore]

boring

[safe trail]

yeah i hoped for a minor focus tree for Tibet Menhjiang and mongolia

[vast shore]

yes

[drifting star]

Hopefully you can make yuan or mongol empire from that

Watch it be just that and no cores just stability modifiers

[safe trail]

i belive they said in the qand q yesterday cores

[winter tartan]

I see people very obsessed with it

Like, in any comment section in YouTube or in the dev diaries, there is somebody demanding a Mongol Empire formable/focus tree

Like, I can accept that as a formable (it is very hard to get, after all). But I don't get why people want to do all the wacky stuff that ever existed rather than ask for quality content from the devs

[fresh cedar]

Bc fun

The whole point of games 😉

[thick edge]

It’s a game

To have fun

Not larp

[vast shore]

genuinely same

I get that some wackiness can be fun

but when half the people try to revive some old hundreds/thousand year old empire it's just not even fun anymore

[polar bronze]

A greater mongolia isnt too far fetched

Aslong as they dont call it a empire

The Greater Mongolian Autonomous State, The Greater Mongol Republic, The Greater Mongolian SSR, The Greater Khanate of Mongolia

[heavy bolt]

no dev diary regarding new faction mechanics

?

or naval rework

its literally 3 days from dlc release

2 in sweden time

[brittle venture]

read pins

[heavy bolt]

ty

sry, don't usually check them

[heavy bolt]

wait

patch notes and livestream on same day as release?

is that normal

[brittle venture]

patch notes is normal, stream isnt 100% confirmed

theyre trying to do things closer together to i suppose build up more hype which is cool

[heavy bolt]

or they just rlly behind

[brittle venture]

its a bit tight tho id say

[heavy bolt]

and thats why they pushed it back a week

hopefully its what u said though

[brittle venture]

its a lot of changes theyll have to make

with a new doctrine system

[heavy bolt]

true

doctrine system was 1st dev diary so I expect that they basically done?

[brittle venture]

its probably more balancing than content

[heavy bolt]

ah

[brittle venture]

you can only accurately judge doctrines after people play them in unintended ways

and multiplayer games etc

[heavy bolt]

everyone gonna be confused about it in the 1st week of playing

[brittle venture]

ehhh depends

its so important that some proto-meta will develop first

[heavy bolt]

i suppose

[polar jasper]

Mountaineer, Rangers doctrine combo wombo

[heavy bolt]

I suppose mm right strat will dissapear though, and tanks will be the way

[brittle venture]

and people be spreadsheeting

[polar jasper]

Urban defense as well

[heavy bolt]

wdym?

[polar jasper]

Rangers doctrine gets urban stats

[heavy bolt]

also, isn't sealion gonna be even more cancer with the naval rework? no more 1 second supremacy

[heavy bolt]

ah

[polar jasper]

They can maybe be city breakers

[heavy bolt]

will there be a way to make peace with allies as japan so you don't have to naval invade usa/britain?

[polar jasper]

Japan gets a focus to agree to the Potsdam Conference

-100% surrender limit

Top tier focus

[heavy bolt]

lol

[brittle venture]

airlion exists and also itd be easier no?

ai moves fleets a lot more

you just have to have patience

[brittle venture]

i mean havent they been experimenting with conditional scripted half scripted peacedeal? iran and finland

[brittle venture]

huh i see

why would you ever do that smh

fight until the end!!

[polar jasper]

0 war support means nothing

Just make sure they dont land

[heavy bolt]

they do?

[polar jasper]

You need to patrol to gain supremacy

Strike force is just a multiplier

Convoy raiding reduces supremacy

[heavy bolt]

sealion is gonna be cooked

[polar jasper]

Naval bombing my beloved

Paratroopers

Plan Z

Battle of Britain will clearly make the British give up

[brittle venture]

more than a player anyway

[brittle venture]

the allies are likely gonna be so pathetic

[empty elk]

We need French power creep

[wooden wyvern]

I mean italy can form rome
And greece can do macedonia
Mongol empire is too iconic
But personally id prefer if such things were hard to get and required a lot of planning, like third bulgarian empire in kaiserreich

[hollow coral]

italy is justified since Mussolini literally wanted yo recreate it

Macedonia though is a far stretch

But it is pretty hard and convoluted to get

[heavy bolt]

I mean, italy historically was aiming to reform roman empire, or some semblance of it. Germany was aiming to revive some mythological Aryan empire

so in a way, it kinda is what like half of the facist nations are aiming for?

revanchism and reviving past/ancient glories

[hollow coral]

fascism doesnt always explicitly include empire building

[heavy bolt]

most do

germany

italy

bulgaria

hungary

romania

japan

[hollow coral]

but like i said it doesnt always have

[heavy bolt]

ya

I said like half

not all

[hollow coral]

anyways

[heavy bolt]

but whats the fun in playing a peaceful nation

in a war game

[hollow coral]

Mongolia didn’t have any fascist movements

[heavy bolt]

even if they did, they wouldn't exactly be known information

in a stalinist nation

[hollow coral]

Ehh that information usually gets discovered somewhere

But if they were to make a fascist path

[heavy bolt]

they gotta completely make it up from scratch

[hollow coral]

It would be aligning with japan and crowning demchugdongrub as khan

[heavy bolt]

or that

[hollow coral]

Then forming greater mongolia or smthn

[heavy bolt]

idk mongolian history

[heavy bolt]

mongolian empire?

yuan dynasty?

[hollow coral]

ehhh far stretch

The most known person that tried to do that died before game start

ungern von starhemberg

[stable tusk]

He wanted to make a Buddhist super nation and invade Europe but close enough

[hollow coral]

So ig if a monachist/fascist path they could base it off that

[hollow coral]

Didnt he also believe he was the genghis reincarnation?

He probably wanted to revive the mongol empire

[stable tusk]

I think KX invented that part but idk

[hollow coral]

Never played kx so wouldnt know

[wooden wyvern]

Kx has a mongol empire path with that dude

He ends up in a coma and reawakens all schizo thinking hes genghis khan

Dk much abt him otl

[hollow coral]

Yeah it was kx invented

[wooden wyvern]

I know he claimed to be successor to rome and all
But did he like actually want to rename italy to what it is ingame
The spqr novum romanus or whatever the hell its called

Cause that i find hard to believe

[hollow coral]

He wanted to make a modern roman empire to rule the Mediterranean

[wooden wyvern]

Yea

But not rome

Just rome 2

[brittle venture]

why are people allergic to saying some parts of mods are good

[hollow coral]

If he had the chance he probably wouldve named it the roman empire

[wooden wyvern]

Are they

[brittle venture]

like it doesnt need to be the whole thing but theres good concepts

[hollow coral]

But italian empire is more playsible

[brittle venture]

a bit

[wooden wyvern]

Idk

Which mod are you referring to

[brittle venture]

like idk i might be tired

[wooden wyvern]

Is there some divide between vanilla and modded players or smth

[brittle venture]

nah

except a lot of modded players dont like vanilla but thats fine

[wooden wyvern]

Well yea

[steep nest]

🦒

[wooden wyvern]

Like idk my biggest problem with a lot of alt hist ones is they try way too hard to be realistic but thats abt it

[steep nest]

Gotta try something with a bit more total overhaul like Old World Blues

[wooden wyvern]

Not a fallout player so ive never looked at it

I heard the ai kinda struggles to not get steamrolled tho so not terribly interested

[steep nest]

Plus each nation varies in different tech levels

And you have to research land doctrine

Without the need of army experience

[polar jasper]

Red Flood:

[wooden wyvern]

Which one is that one again

[polar jasper]

France and Germany loses WW1

[wooden wyvern]

Oh right

The everyone loses mod

[stable tusk]

All I know is:

Born to minor nobility
Join cavalry
Fight in WW1
War not looking too hot
Tsar gone, oh no
Republic made, whatever
Lenin coups republic, oh no
Go to Mongolia
Chill
Discover Buddhism
Fantasize about uniting all Buddhists and "liberating" Europe
Soviets invade Mongolia
Die

[polar jasper]

France goes schizophrenic and Germany goes socialist. Russia exploded, everyone loses their minds

[wooden wyvern]

I see why kx made a schizo path

Thats actually hilarious

[polar jasper]

History has its funny sideplots

[wooden wyvern]

This is why i like my althist to have a bit of humor

[polar jasper]

I got to say, if you view history as a long running soap opera, it makes it more enjoyable

[wooden wyvern]

Lol i always looked at like an anime

[polar jasper]

The script writers when they bring back Napoleon a second time

No one expected that

[wooden wyvern]

Dragging it atp

Did nothing except get exiled again too

[polar jasper]

Needed a cameo

One last encore

Having the CCP win the civil war was a plot twist and a half

[stable tusk]

Eh, if you watched only the movies, if you watched the TV series, you would know the KMT was in no way of winning the civil war without outside help

[polar jasper]

Ah shoot, I only kept up with the movies and the United States History series

Now would you say that seasons be years or decades. What would an episode fall under in a length of time

[heavy bolt]

Tfr

[stable tusk]

Yeah, you need to watch every China TV series, the WW2 movie, the Opium Wars TV series, and the Shanghai mini series to fully understand the Civil War

[stable tusk]

I think a season would be a year with an episode being like idk half a month? or two weeks?

[vast shore]

I don't have an issue with italy

but more so

Stuff like India

[faint parrot]

leaks on dlc or patch?

[hollow coral]

yeah its called dev diaries

[crimson tartan]

😮

[faint parrot]

but new

ik dev diaries

[vast shore]

give it 4h

today\

[hollow coral]

we dont need leaks 3 days isnt that long

[cerulean cipher]

When will they release the factions and naval dev diary ?

[hollow coral]

check the paradox forums

or just see pins

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[eager prawn]

Agreed

[hushed lion]

ITS NOT A LEAK, ITS AN OFFICIAL, INTENTIONAL DEV DIARY

[hushed lion]

Actually it's more so 2 days

[hollow coral]

Wasnt referring to the diaries

[hushed lion]

oh

[wise oxide]

tomorrow is the real spicy stuff

[young fern]

Isn't it in 2 days

[vast shore]

approx

2h till the art and achievement diary

[safe trail]

i hope many warlord archivments

[wise oxide]

thats peak but tomorrow is last diary

[barren tusk]

Do we have today dev diary?

[fresh cedar]

Please refer to the image I just posted.

[safe trail]

for the 10 time yes

[fresh cedar]

It’s literally right above your question

😭😭😭

[barren tusk]

Sorry I didn't read it

[fresh cedar]

Can lead a horse to water. Can waterboard it. And it still might not get water

[barren tusk]

The launch of the dlc do we have CET?

[fresh cedar]

I’m not sure

I’d guess so

[barren tusk]

I promise guys the next 2 days I won't ask again

[fresh cedar]

Just bc diaries and stuff usually are CET

[barren tusk]

Believe me

[barren tusk]

I might expect 18:00 CET like Eau 5

[fresh cedar]

I hope sooner

[vast shore]

It gets even funnier because right above your message I talked about how the dev diary is only 1h away

😭

[vast shore]

6pm CEST

(Central Europe)

[barren tusk]

S is summer time

CET

[vast shore]

You're right

6 pm CET

[crimson tartan]

what

wait

where is my economy navy factions qols dev diary

😭

oh i'm blind dumbass sorry

[hushed lion]

Probably at 3 cet

Like the other ones

[soft swallow]

~22 mins, give or take

[peak wyvern]

anyone know what time the dlc drops for the uk

[fossil torrent]

Looks like X is down

[safe trail]

cloudflare is down

[faint parrot]

coll

can you do summary

[soft swallow]

lots of pictures

[pseudo wing]

parts of text like this:

|| This is a part of text||

[faint parrot]

when dev diary abt alliance

[soft swallow]

tomorrow

[peak wyvern]

legit everything has just gone down

like even runescape

[safe trail]

yes you tube works thank good

[crimson tartan]

give it to meeeee

[vast shore]

Ah

And here I thought I was the problem

trying to apply for a job

[safe trail]

me too

[vast shore]

and the website conveniently crashed

Lol

[safe trail]

yeah suck right now

[thick edge]

It’s a sign

[vast shore]

Dont get a job and keep playing hoi4

[crimson tartan]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-art-achievements.1871024/

these guys be like: humanity restored

[fresh cedar]

Hah they did add the submarine carrier

And all you doubted my idea

Let’s gooooo

[safe trail]

I Have Avenged You, Father!
As Zhang Xueliang, reclaim Mukden and revive the Beiyang government.

[coral drift]

Osmeña! Osmeña! Osmeña!

[vast shore]

women

yippie

[wise oxide]

Xi Jimping?

[rocky escarp]

I struggle to understand whether this answers my questions about Platyrevolutionary-pus

[fresh cedar]

Hidden path?

[fresh cedar]

What are the middle two?

[vast shore]

i see the submarine carrier!

[safe trail]

can somewhone saiy to mee waht they are

[fresh cedar]

So many people said it was a bad idea and wouldn’t work

[safe trail]

Great wall i know

[crimson tartan]

japanese parliament

and something

[vast shore]

It will probably be just a patrol module for subs

still cool

[coral drift]

National Di... eh., forgot

The above one

[safe trail]

forbidden city below right

[coral drift]

Directory or whatever

[safe trail]

?

[crimson tartan]

Orthanc maybe

[fresh cedar]

So Japan gets multiple?

[crimson tartan]

china too

[fresh cedar]

Great Wall lowkey just buffs tiles it goes through

[safe trail]

forbidden city i see correct

[fresh cedar]

Is bottom left Kyoto castle?

[safe trail]

maybe

[crimson tartan]

forbidden city + nanking something

[fresh cedar]

Could be Tokyo too

[crimson tartan]

so china got 3

[vast shore]

@safe trail YOU WERE RIGHT

[fresh cedar]

What’s bottom middle?

[safe trail]

hhahhahaha yes

[vast shore]

.

[safe trail]

but is was obwius

[tired scaffold]

It seems like Zhang Xueliang is the main character of this DLC

He orchestrated the Xi'an incident and has a lot of alternate history potential

[safe trail]

i mean his warlord state has a good focus tree

[safe trail]

to become beyang you musst not do xian

[fresh cedar]

I just need to know more about coal, energy and how economy laws/occupation impacts them now

[safe trail]

you must declare war at the communist

[fresh cedar]

Like how will Anarchism/New Economic Policy/Autarky impact coal/energy

[tired scaffold]

So is there a Xi'an incident path and a Beiyang restoration path?

[safe trail]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Bruh civ economy uses less energy than war economy, so you’ll have to balance between consumer goods and an efficient economy based on coal

And we know very little about it 😭

[safe trail]

and at the end of his foucus path he gets the china focus tree with aso to options rebublic and empire

[fresh cedar]

Unless coal hasn’t remotely changed at all

[vast shore]

This is the intend

[fresh cedar]

I really want to know more

[vast shore]

If this is how it will be is a different question

[fresh cedar]

Yeah but what are the energy consumption numbers? How will energy cost be for occupied V core? Will 100 factories cost more per factory than 50 bc exponential energy costs?

How will economy laws impact? Will ideology/occupation law affect it?

[vast shore]

I just hope they will cost enough to make Japan actually needing to conquer China for coal

And make it so that China holding will considerably cripple Japan

[fresh cedar]

Almost like one of the biggest motivators for the sino-Japanese war and impactful things in this dlc has barely been touched on 😭

Could also literally destroy Anarchisms viability if its economy law isn’t efficient

Or super nerf German Autarky

[dense veldt]

just read the dev diary, which achievement will you guys be going for first?

[safe trail]

I Have Avenged You, Father!
As Zhang Xueliang, reclaim Mukden and revive the Beiyang government.

[echo olive]

Why do they not post about gameplay changes? They will release just 1 day before

[fresh cedar]

Prob the Buddhist one

Seems like a hidden Japanese tree maybe

[dense veldt]

assuming he starts as a minor warlord, you got a long path ahead.

[fresh cedar]

I need to find it

[dense veldt]

hidden japanese tree would be peak, it's giving papal states italy vibes.

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[safe trail]

yeah to see how china and japan now works

[lofty heron]

There’s a few old PRC achieves from Waking The Tiger I still don’t have so I’m gonna play as PRC and just try to score as many in one run as possible

[fresh cedar]

Is lowkey easier now than in the coming dlc

[dense veldt]

honestly the infiltration achievement would be cool to do

nuclear philippines (cobalt sea) also looks insane

[brittle venture]

first archievement that will probably genuinely take until the 60s

(ive done the project before its such a pain)

[dense veldt]

The hardest I could think of is the one to hold the chinese coastline by september '45 and Cobalt Sea as a close second

[brittle venture]

cobalt sea doesnt seem hard?

just time consuming

[dense veldt]

yeah, it takes long as hell

[brittle venture]

they all seem pretty reasonably easy

thats nice

[dense veldt]

easier said than done, remember that conquering mongolian cores in the first achievement involves invading the comintern

holding the chinese coast from japanese naval invasions until '45 is insane tho, gonna take some serious port garrison sweatwork

[brittle venture]

ahist ai the faction often dissolves

on hist you have the germna invasion to leech off of

thats not particularly hard

[dense veldt]

true, but you still have to reach mongolia assuming the achievement wants you to play the KMT

[brittle venture]

well, just hold the vp's

[brittle venture]

its an archievement it wont be literally free

just compared to a lot of other archievements id say these are nice and relatively easy

[dense veldt]

anyways, have fun with the achievements. When I pick up the DLC later this december I'll probably try a PRC or Philippines run; maybe try out the new japan.

or better yet, play the USA going up against the new and improved japan

[fresh cedar]

Or alt history

If Japan prioritizes Russia maybe

[barren tusk]

Wtf is this achievement wow

That's really cool

[brittle venture]

all archievements pretty much can be "cheesed" by playing ahist ai

i got no one crosses the finnish line by just like sitting there doing nothing

[sharp spade]

I like the Zhang Xueliang achievement

[lofty heron]

yeah but I really don't want to play as PRC as it is now lol

[lofty heron]

this achieve will suck for anyone who doesn't have a good PC (me) because it takes till like 1949 to get all the technologies needed to get that

[green nest]

honestly, major improvement in achievements

compared to goe

its not all just own/control x as y

lowkey im looking up to complete all of them

[sharp spade]

I’m getting the achievements based on how cool they look

[vast shore]

Im different then you all

With 3000h in this game I will be getting 0 achievements as I never turned on iron man😎

[thick edge]

I will get like 4 and then give up

[safe trail]

cloudflare is not down annymore

[sharp spade]

I don’t remember seeing anything Buddhist related for Japan like that achievement shows

[hushed lion]

It's clearly a secret path

Probably in the kodoha faction path

[vast shore]

Very cool

[manic matrix]

Is it just me or is the old portrait style so much better

[vast shore]

Not just you

But I assume its cheaper/easier

[barren tusk]

Unpopular opinion: achievements should be obtainable using console cheat

[vast shore]

Well then there isn't really a point of them

but I should be able to get them without Iron man

Because not saving at all is cancer

and saving all 2 weeks is too laggy

[hushed lion]

That defeats the whole point of an achievement

[lofty heron]

in CK3 you can get achieves without iron man

[vast shore]

Same with vicky

[hushed lion]

Both are bad games

[dapper lotus]

As a warlord proclaim a new Chinese empire

Let’s go w achievements

[thick edge]

Vic3 is fun

[vast shore]

I wish they'd add more flavor to vic 3

[rocky oasis]

New general for Manchuria

[carmine bough]

they did it... they did exactly what people expected them to do

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

Hoi4 players when doing the billionth ancient empire revival (the suffering will never stop)

[polar bronze]

Mengjiang unit model?

[rocky oasis]

Yes

[hushed lion]

Peak

https://tenor.com/view/mengjiang-mengkukuo-flag-mongolia-japan-gif-13613002530988360377

[brittle venture]

they get guns??

thats better than rn

[hoary siren]

Truly an upgrade

[brittle venture]

they start with no mils and 65%? 75%? to overlord

so yeah thats an upgrade

[polar bronze]

i love both of the new loading screens

[lofty heron]

who is this

[brittle venture]

looks like one of the bandits

[lofty heron]

I looked it up it was some guy who was in the Beiyang Army who ended up joining the Kuomintang after Japan invaded Manchuria and then after the war he defected to the communists

[rapid tinsel]

there are like 20million Chinese ppl in the army ofcourse that would happen

[hushed lion]

Most boring event in Chinese history:

[regal granite]

Ma Zhanshan

[median bronze]

Wonder if they secretly added some formable for japan to occupy the west coast of Japan, china, and the germans occupying east USA...

[hollow coral]

No wayy they added the shanghai arsenal car

[hoary siren]

I would hope the Japanese don’t have to occupy their own country

[hollow coral]

General in the manchu army he was a warlord beforehand

[median bronze]

they still haven't told us about the special surrender mechanic for japan

they said it would get one, i.e nuking japan a few times after they replace tojo or something

[hoary siren]

Probably won’t

[median bronze]

probably removed now but yea

im kinda pissed half of the music we expected wasn't in the soundtrack

[hoary siren]

Maybe tomorrow but well probably have to wait till Thursday

[median bronze]

like no battotai?

[hollow coral]

Is that not like adding erika to the gamr

[median bronze]

no

[hollow coral]

It is

[median bronze]

battotai was made in 1887

nazis used ride of the valkyries yet we still had that

[hollow coral]

Its hesvily associated with imperial japan in the west

Can see why it wasnt added

[median bronze]

so was ride of the valkyries...

like list goes on

no one used it in respective of war crimes itself

but its a shame

[hollow coral]

Again its not always associated with nazis

[median bronze]

neither is battotai

was used before expansionism

well at least we stil have the battle of wuhan ig

'Where the Dragon Rises' i feel they used the wrong instruments and could've gone full orchasteral then old china ig but my opinion

[hollow coral]

Hmm

[median bronze]

thats a youtube video

and imperialist japan is prior sino japanese japan still

well.... theres no surprise there

they should of added this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7zulfEaFZI

[hollow coral]

This is something i can agree on

[median bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-silly-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-11748501437476694103

can't wait for the "how do i do navy" after the dlc drops

[fresh cedar]

It made me so sad they didn’t really have any Japanese marches

Soviets and Germany get so many 😭

Japan has absolute bangers too

[median bronze]

fr

[hushed lion]

Like the song itself isn't bad, it's literally just a song about a woman, pretty generic in terms of marching songs

[harsh hull]

So, were there actually any naval reworks in NCNS?

[hushed lion]

Yes

[harsh hull]

I don't recall a dev diary about it

[hushed lion]

They will be explained in depth tomorrow

[harsh hull]

Oh I see

[fresh cedar]

Yet was used in German Reich propaganda after getting released 1938 lol

[harsh hull]

Really holding that one close to the chest

[median bronze]

yes we will find out tommorow

then me and my fellow navy nerds will spend hours testing strats

apparently they pushed back ship research a year but only applies to tier 3 and tier 4?

too much propaganda so waiting till tommorow

i hope they at least made the new raids moddable

[fresh cedar]

Panzerlied, Erika, Die Wacht am Rhein, and like 2 others

Japan can’t get one 😭

I like the soundtrack for this dlc. Nothing really stood out but it fits the theme and game well

[hushed lion]

It didn't even need to be a Japanese song

[hollow coral]

Thats not funny

[fresh cedar]

Kitty on kitty beef

[hushed lion]

It would just be nice if there was a bonus song

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/siblingsfighting-gif-6156142262711604189

[fresh cedar]

Bonus song > Bonus ship models

[median bronze]

hey mate u pay us £40 we give u a free ship model u will never use

[fresh cedar]

I barely ever look at ship models

[median bronze]

and about 10% off on the next dlcs

good deal

[fresh cedar]

Bruh like make bonus infantry models if anything

[median bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-borat-gif-26752195

[fresh cedar]

Enough with the tanks and ships 😂 give us infantry

[median bronze]

i predicted the new japan special project the day they announced the dlc lol

[hushed lion]

Last years expansion pass had both useless models and a cool song

[fresh cedar]

German Infantry could use more camo

[hollow coral]

I wonder what other unique unit models china will have

[fresh cedar]

🥲

True

[hollow coral]

hopefully brodies and adrians too

[median bronze]

i remember when i used to ghost my tanks in MP with infantry icon and models and then would steamroll france lmaoo

[fresh cedar]

“Those mfers run fast as hell”

[hushed lion]

Although getting a Czechoslovakia rework is better than both songs and models

[median bronze]

LMAO its so funny though

like if the france player doesn't notice

hes like wtf is this infantry

and its just tanks

lmaoo

[fresh cedar]

OP strat

[median bronze]

yeah fr

usually its better in barb if u have a co op

u mask half of ur tanks as inf

so while he micros one push

ur tanks sweep through ukraine or baltics

i usually still do the leningrad/estonia invasion if i can

[fresh cedar]

Basically what Germany did IRL

[median bronze]

if they stalin line

[fresh cedar]

Romanian and Hungarians bumming it up on frontlines

Meanwhile panzer corps yeets

[median bronze]

romania is defo coming this time next year on the next big dlc

without a doubt

Arheo knows its something that needs a heavy rework as its the only axis minor neglected

and he personally said he wants it soon

[fresh cedar]

Yugo and Romania could use it 🙁

[median bronze]

like they will defo redo an allied major in the next DLC in Q3 2026

[thick edge]

give turkey some love too

[median bronze]

but they might do a focus pack for yugo, romania

[fresh cedar]

The fact that Yugoslavia of all Balkan countries can’t core the Balkans

[thick edge]

even changing the amount of time needed for most focuses would suffice

[fresh cedar]

Ukraine OP lowkey

France with that terrible coal

[thick edge]

when coal powered tanks

devolve back into steam engines

[fresh cedar]

Would be cool if interwar ships were coal

So like

What is the middle? Naval HQ?

[thick edge]

that boat in the middle looks like a house

[fresh cedar]

Bottom right is like a floating dock?

[median bronze]

like i would be dissapointed if romania isn't next year, i really really doubt they will do like the UK, France without doing romania

[fresh cedar]

I’m so happy they added the sub carrier

[thick edge]

tbh i have no solid guesses

[median bronze]

i knew they were adding it from a mile away lol

[fresh cedar]

Romania would be a single focus tree dlc I think

[fresh cedar]

Bruh so many people were skeptical, even Chak was questioning it

[median bronze]

im waiting for tommorow video to show us if they will be making us have to split our navy up into 4 different fleets like in most historical mods which have a command power cap to fleets

or if the deathstacking is the norm

[fresh cedar]

I think death stacking still works but supply lines more important now. So you gotta protect entire line or DED

[median bronze]

because historically deathstacking really didn't happen often, like its better for us to use strategy for navy which is with the new navy supply and that will be good for japan to have a chance however combat wise we need to make sure theres no more deathstacking and a few spotting cruisers

[median bronze]

i think deathstacking will likely only be useful in major attack battles where the penalties do not outweigh

[fresh cedar]

Can I make my ice cream ship the pride of the fleet? 🙂

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[median bronze]

Like I used to play a mod in 2022 which i think was in elwolf which made each type of ship cost amount to a "command power" and if u had over 50 command power ur fleet would suffer penalties

which is something they should do, they already have it with carrier overstaking

like to have ur fleets have to split up into like 4 groups and 1 small patrol group rather than 200 ships and 1 on patrol do not engage with max spotting lol

and while utilising supply makes it more fun

and gives a japan to win navy more

[fresh cedar]

So instead of the natural 100 ship limit, 10 fleet per admiral. It limited via Command power?

[median bronze]

especially if u have 2 navy headquarters (apparently u can have a maximum of 3) setting 1 up to use a patrol fleet of like 30 ships split into smaller groups of 10 and then about 150 split into 4 groups on ur main base on the navy frontline yk?

[median bronze]

No like u couldn't overstack ur navy into 1 group, some mods made it per admiral others made it stacked together

[fresh cedar]

I’m wondering if you have to destroy them to build new ones or if you can just transfer to new ones like airfields

[median bronze]

so most of the time depending on how powerful ur navy was u could have like up to 40 ships in one

i hope they expand on the navy headquarters when they release the army one next year to also add air force ones

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if there’ll be torpedo special projects

[fresh cedar]

I have a feeling it will be like this

Though the 4 carrier limit I believe to still make sense

[median bronze]

and then have air force generals to assign to them bases and air groups as well would be good, we can apply aces but to every 100 planes we should have an option on the left to assign a luftwaffe general

[fresh cedar]

I pray for an air rework in expansion pass 3

Tbh allies rework would be perfect for air rework

Imagine you could raid with bomber groups rather than just permanently bomb

[median bronze]

so u have the air bases for the air base headquarters, each 100 wings has 1 air force general assigned (or maybe grouped to a maximum amount of wings on an air base it could work either way) and then also the option to allow air bases to be built on a per tile basis rather than on the left side of a defensive riverline haha but its up to @untold sequoia and his plans for next year.

[fresh cedar]

Pinging Arheo is insane 😭

[median bronze]

I had tried to mod air force generals into the game a year ago that could effect air wing stats but couldn't get it to work

[hoary siren]

I mean, they did just rework air a couple dlc ago, all they really need to do for air is making ai actually use the system they created

[median bronze]

its okay me and him have a long functioning relationship ❤️

[median bronze]

Yes they did however we are getting navy headquarters which is finally a good way to decide what to do with the air force, community had been at odds on a way to add air force generals to the game however no one thought of a good idea to make it work, would it be assigned to an air base? 100 planes? etc no one could decide

[fresh cedar]

My girlfriend said his voice sounds like Winnie the Pooh now I can’t unhear it

[fresh cedar]

Just needs similar depth to ground and navy

[median bronze]

however now we can look at the navy headquarters, apply it for air forces and assign an air force general to an air base and a air headquarters

[fresh cedar]

Like ground are getting military HQ’s too

[median bronze]

if we are getting the army HQ's and they do not add air force I would be sad

[fresh cedar]

Military HQ, Naval HQ

Natural conclusion air hq

[median bronze]

Theres a clear way now moving forward to have an air force system to work with headquarters, apparently the devs snoop on Discord often so I hope they read this.

the real spy agency is the dev team

[median bronze]

exactly

[hoary siren]

wouldnt mind spy agency upgrade neither ngl

[hushed lion]

I have absolutely no clue as to what military hqs are meant to be

[median bronze]

I just hope when they release the modding patch on the release notes that they allow navy headquarters to be modded more then just a few simple things, so that way maybe someone probably myself could code an air force version where its called "air force headquarters" and change the navy buffs to be for the air force operating in xyz reigon

gotterdamerung added like 100 new variables for things

so u could have like certain attack buffs to certain things specifically

rather than like 10% attack on warships u now have like 10% attack on warships etc

so im hoping the navy headquarters can be simply changed to an air base one, change the buffs to apply to the air force, have it where you assign a general.

problem is us modders don't get tools that far ahead

such as which specific ones to assign an admiral/general

thats engine stuff

[fresh cedar]

Yeah modders really have to play catch up for a bit

Coal and doctrine reworks are gonna destroy mods for a while watch

[median bronze]

yeah perhaps

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if other countries will also be getting unique 3d models for sub carriers

Since it’s basically a Japanese project

Also wonder if long lance torpedo will still just be a buff or a project

[median bronze]

wonder if its gonna be cosmetic like seaplane tenders or if they changed it so u can control them now

like u gotta assign the planes to them

sub carriers would likely be 3-5 planes tops

good for recon perhaps

best part is they'd probably cost the same as a destroyer

cheaper recon then cruiser

[trim quartz]

Just to clarify, I already have WTT so what will get updated for me?

[brittle venture]

thats OP tho

because planes insta reinforce in hoi so you just spam them

[median bronze]

yeah im waiting for the i broke navy video using sub planes

lmao

[brittle venture]

and they get full wing efficiency at 5 planes

thats insane

[vast shore]

imo

carrier subs

will prob. just be a patrol plane module

on a sub

[brittle venture]

yeah that seems reasonable

anything more is stupid broken in game

[hushed lion]

Well waking the tiger is integrated into base game, in terms of free content coming in the patches it's probably just historical Japan

[hoary siren]

^

[hushed lion]

And of course non focus tree related updates such as new naval reworks the doctrine rework and such

[brittle venture]

"of course" this is quite a recent development imo

[vast shore]

from the game Rise of the White Sun

this guy always has aura

[dense veldt]

How do you think the coal additions will effect Germany gameplay? Sure, they got the ruhr coal, but a good amount of it was being liquified for synthetic refineries.

not to mention the coal requirements for total autarky

[brittle venture]

maybe their steel will get nuked idk

[dense veldt]

At least USA won't have a problem, appalacian coal belt go BRRRRR

[brittle venture]

do you think the US has a good industry rn..?

[hoary siren]

No, its actually trash

[brittle venture]

i know

[hoary siren]

Even 37 giant wakes and depression this was what I could macro

[brittle venture]

wow thats like 120 german mils

[hoary siren]

Yeah it’s bad, I tried with no air craft conversion and it was bad

[hoary siren]

yeah usa is very bad

[hoary siren]

is that new dlc?

[vast shore]

Yes

[hoary siren]

from where? theydid a video on it?

[vast shore]

dankus

memecus

image

all the youtubers

got their hands on it

expect videos about it

[hoary siren]

wonder what year this is and what all he conquered

[vast shore]

probably USA

[hoary siren]

most likely

[polar jasper]

Ah yes, the country that could barely mass produce anything can make more things per factory than the US

[hoary siren]

what bloat dlc does to a mf

[fresh cedar]

US industry should be double late game. It caps at 500-700, meanwhile Soviets get like 1100-1400

Like in a WW2 game, US should have the largest and strongest industry

[vast shore]

me when game balance

[fresh cedar]

Bc +20% factory output for Germany is balanced

[fresh cedar]

Think it’ll be a larger cruiser sub

[fresh cedar]

Seaplane tenders will be a ship class. They just released the cosmetics before the main DLC

[hoary siren]

tbf though, soviets never get close to that by war time

but US industry is a joke

[fresh cedar]

Coal should buff Soviets and USA

[vast shore]

They have to fight 2 Colonial Empire + the 2 factories of the world

Sonyeah

[fresh cedar]

As they did in real life before getting curb stomped

[vast shore]

• the intended balance is that the soviets are meant to lose so the allies HAVE to put pressure

[vast shore]

I wouldnt call it getting curb stomped when it took the allies 5y lol

[fresh cedar]

They definitely got smashed to smithereens 😂

[vast shore]

The Germans, realistically shouldn't have gotten past france

[fresh cedar]

I’m just saying German economy shouldn’t rival Soviets or USA

[hoary siren]

Germans got very lucky during the war

[vast shore]

Okay

So

Then?

You start hoi4

And the game dies?

in 1941?

[fresh cedar]

So then nerf their industry or buff USA

[hoary siren]

nah, its about balance tbh

rn sov and ger have a good balance

[fresh cedar]

Apparently it’s off this coming DLC

Germany doesn’t push Russia as well

[vast shore]

I personally would be fine if they balanced the US by making the depression last longer, but they grow more while Russia is a bit stronger in return

[fresh cedar]

In the stream it showed them basically at the Russian border and the devs said they’ve seen it happen a bit

But maybe it was early war

[vast shore]

gg

[hoary siren]

Which stream

[vast shore]

MPs gonna be cooked lmao

[fresh cedar]

Lemme check, might’ve been the Chinese one

[fresh cedar]

Nah it’s just the AI

Shouldn’t be a change for players

[vast shore]

fair

[vast shore]

Unless Japan got hyper buffed

[hoary siren]

player hands German stomps russia

[fresh cedar]

Mhm

[vast shore]

I genuinely want it to be super rewarding for China to hold Japan

Something like "hold Japan for 2y" and their economy starts crumbling

because of lack of coal

[hoary siren]

mp wise wont happen, japan need china eco to have a game, most likely will be the same after dlc

[vast shore]

nuh uh

[vast shore]

I play in meme lobbies

[hoary siren]

I can tell

[vast shore]

No you can't

[hoary siren]

its very obvious

[vast shore]

How so

[fresh cedar]

Just looked and couldn’t find it. Can’t remember if they just mentioned it or showed it

But I’m pretty sure they showed it

[hoary siren]

previous conversations

[vast shore]

so true

[fresh cedar]

Okay found it

https://www.youtube.com/live/P8b9Um_hz-M?si=Xo2CyModNUVHVYkw

About an 1:09-1:10 in

[vast shore]

weird

I usually see the Axis dominate

[hoary siren]

honestly, before German would crap on soviets though, maybe balanced AI out

[fresh cedar]

Nah listen to their dialogue

Mordrid basically says they need to tune Germany a bit

“Germany is struggling a little against the Soviets. This is a problem we’re currently facing. We’re trying to balance this so Germany is a little stronger again.”

[hoary siren]

Just ai tweaks they said a bit later

[fresh cedar]

I’m just wondering if their tweaks fixed it since that

[fresh cedar]

But should be fixable. Hopefully their theories panned out and it’s good now 😭

[jolly wasp]

I saw this in the China hoi4 video explainer. Is this proof of a Tannu Tuva focus tree?

[hoary siren]

Now they just need to make USA dlc

[drifting star]

That’s mao China flag lmao

[stable tusk]

That's the new flag of Commie China

[short tusk]

Does he know?

This is the flag

[drifting star]

Ngl I hope communism but this flag is so peak

[hoary siren]

You hope communism?

[drifting star]

Hate

My bad

[fresh cedar]

Warlords I think

[fresh cedar]

I think that’s expansion 3

[hoary siren]

Most likely

[polar bronze]

Who else would be in that expansion?

[fresh cedar]

France, UK, USA as main dlc maybe along with Air HQ/rework.

[polar bronze]

Occupied france could get some cool stuff

The french state > vichy france

[fresh cedar]

Maybe

If the Czech dlc works out we’ll probably see more single countries

Like Ireland, Romania, Egypt

[polar jasper]

Hoi4: The Fight for Freedom

[rocky oasis]

I know most people will probably not want it, simply because of how much of a cash grab it would actually be and the probability it could be badly priced, but I do hope at some point we can get DLCs that add more historical generals for most of the countries before development ends, because this would realistically be the only way to actually get more historical generals.

[polar jasper]

Im honestly surprised how few generals the US has

Like Marshall is only an advisor

[fresh cedar]

Depends on the individual price and the quality

[polar jasper]

Im assuming that the czech tree will be $4.99

Which includes a Slovakia tree probably

[fresh cedar]

Should be $3.99 imo

[polar jasper]

Any higher would be madness

[polar jasper]

This is PDX we're talking about

[winged jetty]

Yeah it would be France, UK, US, Canada, and Ireland with New Zeland getting a focus pack sold by itself.

[polar jasper]

Remember kids

[cold gale]

maybe a united nations mechanic (despite adding it to game as event)

[polar jasper]

They updated Yugo for free

For free

[rocky oasis]

Thunder at Our Gates focusing on only three countries instead of four should allow for each country to have more portraits than they would an a country pack with four countries, theoretically anyways.

[hollow coral]

Which means they should update the philippines army roster

Seriously only 2 actual filipino generals

[polar jasper]

Dont worry, generic portraits exist

[hollow coral]

they said it was because they needed to buy more portraits

[polar jasper]

._.

[rocky oasis]

They explained in the Q&A. They have a certain budget for portraits per DLC.

[polar jasper]

I know 1 out of 3 Portuguese generals are generic

Or is it 2 of 3

[rocky oasis]

2

[hollow coral]

Atleast just put generics with names of real generals so we can mod them in

[polar jasper]

Pretty sure that is what they will do

Or did

[hollow coral]

Canada has 2 generics too

[polar jasper]

Poor France had a few generics

[rocky oasis]

Hoping at some point they go over generals for most countries and add in ones they had to leave out initially. Probably a pipe dream though.

[hollow coral]

Can they not hire portrait artists for lower prices

[harsh hull]

If the Czech DLC includes proper Slovakia content, I would pay up to 8 USD for it, personally

[rocky oasis]

Unfortunately, it is illegal to enslave artists to produce artwork in most places.

[harsh hull]

10 is a bit of a stretch, but if it's a good month, I might go for it, though I'd still more likely wait for a sale

Any more than that's a non-starter

[hollow coral]

If they include good occupation content i would play it

[harsh hull]

Althougj, if Slovakia gets a funni Great Moravia restoration decision, that would be an easy 10 USD purchase

I love restoring defunct empires in the early modern age

[hollow coral]

Those types of formable progressions are fine

But reviving millenia old irrelevant empires is a no go

[brittle venture]

which are you referencing

like i agree that some afghan/indian formables are a bit too much

but stuff like the mongol empire people still kind of have a connection to even today (even though msot of it is joking ofc)

[hollow coral]

Like the person asking for the tang dynasty

[harsh hull]

I want to restore Carthage as Tunisia

It doesn't matter that Carthaginian culture was almost completely erased by the Romans

[hollow coral]

Macedonia is also somewhat irrelevant

[harsh hull]

And that Arab settlement in subsequent centuries erased what was left

It would be funny

[hollow coral]

You never know what they have planned for lebanon

[hollow zinc]

idea: every war going on in the world, usa can click whether to intervene on one side as the world police

[brittle venture]

thats what happened irl they were debating intervening in ethiopia

as in with lend lease

[coral drift]

I'm drooling

[low plover]

I would have wanted at least one dev diary on naval changes 😮

like just about the navy a little more in depth

[hollow coral]

Checks pins

[low plover]

oh wow, didn't know, thanks!!

[wise oxide]

peak diary doday

[near rover]

War crime enjoyers

Did the new dlc release?

[burnt sail]

No

[oblique bobcat]

Did the last dev diary released

?

[burnt sail]

No

I’d say it will in about 4 hours

[coral kraken]

Was that Chen Cheng or other guys?

[turbid furnace]

3 more hours untill I learn all the naval news

[winged jetty]

When does the dev diary release?

[turbid furnace]

Ok all the previous ones were released around 15:00 Stockholm time

It's 11:53 in Stockholm right now

[thick edge]

3 ish hours

[dense veldt]

let's not overhype ourselves here, it's just boats. half of us don't even know how to use navy

[turbid furnace]

I'm playing this game for the navy

I will overhype myself

It's the only thing why I'm buying this dlc

[dense veldt]

well whatever the case, I'll be brushing up on my hoi4 as india before the dlc comes out tomorrow

or as some other nation idk

[winged jetty]

I’m actually more curious about factions than navy but that’s just me.

[dense veldt]

What is the best nation to even learn navy? My best guess would have to the UK because of the big royal fleet, right?

[winged jetty]

The best nations to learn navy(in no particular order) would be the UK, US, Italy, and Japan.

[dense veldt]

thanks, though i'll wait until after the DLC to start learning it seriously, because of the rework and all

[winged jetty]

Yeah that’s a good idea. How excited are you about the faction rework?

[dense veldt]

I'm a bit intrigued but im not that hyped about it. Doctrines on the other hand...

now that you think of it, I've never really put in too much serious UK effort because babysitting the whole empire is tiring and the entire royal navy is a doozy to keep track of sometimes.

[leaden tapir]

Finland has joined the Greater East Asian co-Prosperity sphere

[turbid furnace]

Problem with UK is that... You have a big fleet already, so you won't learn building ships and managing squadrons good. I really enjoy playing UK naval but I usually just take few battleships and HMS hood, modernise them and make entirely new fleet myselfs

I would say Japan is the best to learn navy, although it might be hard to multitask with china.

[tired scaffold]

I would be very surprised if the next theater pack that gets announced isn't Romania, Yugoslavia and Albania

It fits the direction that they are going in very well

[turbid furnace]

I would just hope they wouldn't drain us of all the money all the time

[hollow coral]

Yeah looks to be

At first i thought it was cai tingkai

[dense veldt]

I can start learning japan when I get the DLC

[winged jetty]

Yeah that’s what I was going to do. I took a break from HOI4 for the last month.

[dense veldt]

I'm more comfortable playing around with the USA anyways, even if I never feel like playing as far as island hopping and doing a D-Day

my best bet might honestly be playing one of the commonwealth minors or an axis minor, though the latter tends to involve me carrying the british efforts on some fronts

screw it, we india

[coral kraken]

165 minutes left

[hushed lion]

1 day

[cosmic stag]

1 day and 5 hrs left for me

[low plover]

will the dev diary today be about navy specifically? 😮

[turbid furnace]

And factions

[low plover]

oh, i look forward to it!

[turbid furnace]

"Wednesday we'll be posting our New Features Developer Diary, including notes on Factions, Naval Changes, some Special Projects, Coal, Energy and more, and there will be a Live Stream"

[low plover]

Navy is 50% of this game for me

i love it

[cosmic stag]

alr

cant wait for Todays DD

[low plover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funnycat-do-not-the-cat-cat-stand-standing-cat-gif-21835424

[turbid furnace]

That's what the pinned Message said

In this channel

[turbid furnace]

Same

[low plover]

The navy could even be a game for itself

[cosmic stag]

i like only army

[low plover]

land warfare is also nice!

[cosmic stag]

tbh i always use in SP a lot of console commands

[turbid furnace]

I love naval games

[cosmic stag]

as Estonia btw

[low plover]

my recent run i was france having a naval battle with UK

epic stuff

[turbid furnace]

Rule the waves 3, war on the sea, ultimate admirals Dreadnoughts, Battlestations Pacific(my beloved)

[low plover]

France is very good for building navy, they have alot of starting caps, so its more about screening

[turbid furnace]

Should I feel bad that I use 200% shipyard output mod? I just feel like unrealistically slow and it gives every country 200% output

So I don't get an advantage

[low plover]

hahah go for it

i like boat

more output = more boat

[turbid furnace]

I just imagine how many carriers Brits and USA and Japan made

[cosmic stag]

why can only germany build pre dreadnoughts?

[turbid furnace]

Research

No wait it's not right

[thick edge]

More=good

[thick edge]

The US made around 150

[turbid furnace]

What do you mean? I'm 90% sure that Germany has 1936 battleships at the start of the game

[thick edge]

Most of them being escort carriers

[turbid furnace]

Yeah but we are talking CV and CVL

It was still a lot

And in hoi4 how can you replicate it?

You can't compare cause they just built so damn long

[cosmic stag]

well in a DLC expansion they added PRE DREADNOUGHTS to germany

[turbid furnace]

In the new dlc that comes out tomorrow?

[thick edge]

I don’t remember seeing anything about that

[cosmic stag]

no

[thick edge]

Do u mean Gotterdamerung?

[cosmic stag]

no

i mean in MTG

you can look it up on the hoi4 wiki

idk why only germany can build PRE DREADNOUGHTs

[turbid furnace]

Ohhh

I thought you meant that they only can build this and nothing else

I didn't even know they could but I suspect it's to represent the Schleswig Holstein

[cosmic stag]

germany did build a lot of Pre and dreadnoughts

pre 1914

it was a naval arms race between Uk and GE

[turbid furnace]

Yeah I know

[cosmic stag]

alr

still idk why only germany can build em

[turbid furnace]

I think it's just there to represent Schleswig Holstein

And they didn't see a need to add them to other nations

[cosmic stag]

alr

[median bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYY4ntdQyq4

[cosmic stag]

ill then add the pre and ww1 dreadnoughts to ALL nations after 1918

in my hoi4 multi mod

[hollow coral]

guess i have something to do tonight

[turbid furnace]

Depend what your is it rn for you

It might not even be night

[median bronze]

thats 2 hours...

the developer diary comes in an hour and the stream in two

[hollow coral]

huh

[turbid furnace]

How do you know dd comes in an hour

[median bronze]

because the live streams in 2

Last time they did a stream the same day it was an hour after the DD

[cosmic stag]

OH baby i cant wait to see the new NAVAL SPECIAL PROJECTs

[median bronze]

i wonder if the ship management for catapults will now have to be actual planes

or if they'll be automatic

[cosmic stag]

ill always buy and purchase new content and Use Em ALL ingame

[cosmic stag]

alr

[turbid furnace]

"There are also some new buildings for the Naval Headquarters and the Naval Supply Hub as well as a unique model for the submarine carrier, support ship and repair ship.
"

SUPPORT AND REPAIR SHIPS CONFIRMED

[median bronze]

I hope they finally removed the death stacking, balanced the 5 dockyard maximum for capital ships etc

[cosmic stag]

yes ik

[cosmic stag]

yes ik

[turbid furnace]

Well support ships existed as naval refuelling Special Project i guess

[cosmic stag]

alr

[median bronze]

when they add the army HQ's they'll probably also add the air force HQ's too