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[vast shore]

Im anti fun when the meme questions outweight the good questions

[fresh cedar]

Like I paid for this product and just want to know what I bought 💀

Reddit as a platform just always results in that

[vast shore]

a good chunk of these are meme question, a portion are question to which you'd know the answer to if you actually read the dev diary or even the videos and a large part is asking the same question that was asked 5 times

[fresh cedar]

But it is easier to refer to, whereas discord gets lost

I guess if they made a specific channel they could lock it would work though

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I wanted to know more about formables, warlord paths, and coal distribution

[coral drift]

Some of it were just revealed in the Philippines devstream

[vast shore]

you could makea thread channel

every question a seperate thread

[coral drift]

Ah, fellow historical bros, i see

[vast shore]

exactly

these are good questions

[fresh cedar]

We heard about the Ma’s and Sinkiang. But nothing about other warlords

I want to know how they differ

And how will coal effect majors

[vast shore]

now this is an interesting question

[fresh cedar]

They showed in the stream that Germany doesn’t perform as well against the Soviets. Is this driven by coal or doctrines?

[bitter helm]

When I looked yesterday and saw the top comment was asking if there will be no compromise no surrender, I knew what we were getting into

[vast shore]

and then they answer only 1 part of 3 questions

these are good

but they ignore the interesting question

of an ottoman king on Sinkiang

[fresh cedar]

Could mean it’s a hidden path or not in

[thick edge]

Maybe they want it too be a surprise because there is one?

[vast shore]

that would be cool

[fresh cedar]

They said there were a few secrets

So

[vast shore]

lets hope

China is the best place for wacky secrets

[fresh cedar]

It’s just wild how little we’ve heard or seen about coal 😭

A resource that basically determines factory output and conquest scaling

[thick edge]

They tell us about coal on Christmas

[vast shore]

big]

thats dope

[coral drift]

Idk why i got downvoted from asking for Malaysia to be the name of PHI-led formable instead of Maphilindo

They missed out by 2-3 months against Malaysia and decided to scrap the name change.

Also the use of "Malaysia" term waaaaay predates the usage of "Maphilindo"

[vast shore]

based

YOOO

[coral drift]

It's one of the first things revealed in NCNS' announcement diary lel

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-front-man-squid-game-2-happy-celebration-gif-12369111202088932661

[vast shore]

tbf

I know about it

[fresh cedar]

Because for the sake of HOI4, it would just muddle the game tbh and isn’t that important compared to other gameplay mechanics

[vast shore]

but I find it interesting that they really consider it as mongolia

[fresh cedar]

Like exchange one Klingon name for another

[coral drift]

It's just renaming.
Maphilindo sounds wacky, Mafilindo less so tbh

[vast shore]

but thats new

[coral drift]

Yeah, if i was twice as persistent regarding this, i would be seen as obtuse.
At least the Filipinos in the relevant thread supported my suggestion 🤷‍♂️

[waxen axle]

To be honest im excited for faction rework

[bitter helm]

Oh shit, Empire has me excited. Can’t wait to pull off some Yuan Shikai type shenanigans

[fresh cedar]

I just don’t really see the significance of this compared to factions, naval, coal, doctrine etc

[waxen axle]

When i will try to conquer a small european country that country wont join random factions like greece joining Chinese united front

[fresh cedar]

Hoping the same goes for South American factions

[waxen axle]

That will be massive change when trying to unifify south america

[fresh cedar]

Just hoping people stay out of South American factions and those countries stay out of other factions

[coral drift]

Oh i agree

But well, it's like you're adding sugar instead of salt on your soup. It would taste funny but nothing bad

[fresh cedar]

Needs more isolation

[fresh cedar]

Even so, it being called Malaysia doesn’t differentiate it from the others

Think it’s good to have more variability in that sense than not

I like when similar formables have different names tbh

[coral drift]

Rename fascist MAL to "State of Malaya"

[fresh cedar]

Like Paraguay and Uruguay can both core south America but have different names for it

[coral drift]

PHI conquers the Archipelago: Malaysia

INS conquers the Archipelago: Nusantara

MAL/Aceh/Sulu/Brunei conquers the Archipelago: Can use either but i'm leaning to Nusantara

[drifting star]

Sinkyang ottomans path 💀💀 bro

Making the Ottoman Empire from China would be sick

Or a Chinese Islamic empire

Which was why they wanted him

[sharp spade]

I just wanted to know if the Japanese could peace the allies out if Japan took enough pacific land

[rocky oasis]

Soft confirmation that the Netherlands are going to get the Manchukuo treatment of a minor rework in Thunder at Our Gates.

[brittle venture]

could be australia

tbf

or nzl

doesnt particularly scream any country to me

malaysia too

they dont have content rn

and are definitely not free

[rocky oasis]

Malaysia and New Zealand aren’t listed as having content in Thunder at Our Gates. I will concede that New Zealand could get a minor rework like the Warlords and Manchukuo did though.

[brittle venture]

IMO joint australia-new zealand tree wouldnt be that unlikely considering all their history has kind of been working together

new zealand helped supply early australian setrlements for example

[rocky oasis]

Yeah, I can see that.

[brittle venture]

but its much more intertwined after ww1 and the ANZAC corps

[brittle venture]

and its eithin the scale of thr update

but really theres no singular nation that stands out a lot imo

[dense gale]

its for the larp 😭

But sp players soundly even notice

And hmm will prob just add in pregrinds

[fresh cedar]

Coal should buff the USA which is why I imagine they’re getting nerfed again

[real temple]

why would coal nerf the USA?

they have like 500 oil, and they're still not that OP until late game, that's their whole point

they are so self sufficient they focus on themselves and the recovery of the great depression, using the civs they gain from selling their resources (trade) to other countries

coal won't change that, infact it might make them weaker

IRL it was similar, nations that could afford american goods bought them, giving america an economy and giving the nations receiving these goods the ability to utilize them

only difference is almost nobody in hoi4 really suffered from the depression it's only america

[real temple]

last i checked, they still do that

militarily they are intertwined, my grandfather went to vietnam with some kiwis as a forward expeditionary and radio lines deployer

[brittle venture]

yes but theres history to it and it mattered even more back then

[real temple]

i was gonna comment, but decided against it since it's so off topic even for #off-topic, ima dip and lock in on WT

[tepid oxide]

im so hyped for this dlc

[stable mica]

I'm looking forward to the revised Focus Tree on Czechoslovakia. If Austria is allowed to defend itself against The Anschluss, why shouldn't Czechoslovakia be allowed to do the same before its dismemberment?

[polar jasper]

It already can. Semi easily thanks to level 7 forts it gets in its current focus tree

It sounds like they will make it harder with the new dlc as they say it will be a nation for veterans of the game

[upper escarp]

M,N/.VBDCFSHML.K,NJ/SDFG.M,/KJGHFED R,.M/ WSGERF,./M N

[hollow coral]

Insightful

[brittle venture]

deep

[real temple]

It can

They always have been able to

They also have the ability to pre-emptively hand sudetenland to Germany, typically seen in old Hungary forming AH

[hoary siren]

This is true

[fresh cedar]

You misread what I said

Coal is buffing the USA, which is probably why the USA is getting nerfed. As in it’s why their generals and military leaders start at lower levels etc

[real temple]

Oh, thats valid

They should 100% do what Germany got

[fresh cedar]

Like every US general is losing a level and Eisenhower is losing 2 levels

[real temple]

You have none kf the generals they had until you do focuses

But yea, coal alone saves so much oil for america

Use that for ships

[fresh cedar]

Don’t think you can

[real temple]

They talked about it when they talked about the naval changes for 1.17 (new dlc)

[fresh cedar]

But, coal effectively determines factory output now. So many majors major struggle with partial if inadequate factory output due to lack of coal and conquest lowering coal/energy effiency

While USA, USSR and China should be full all the time

[real temple]

China wouldnt

[real temple]

They're gonna have so many other issues, like no modernization compared to Japan, but as the war goes on they'll 100% get it

[real temple]

Japan owns half of that, and before China can fight back theyll own most of the coal

[fresh cedar]

France, Italy, Germany and Japan basically netted

[fresh cedar]

Through a puppet yeah

[real temple]

Iirc wasn't thay why Japan took manchuria, or at least 1 reason

Then they attack China for resources, and land, as thats what all good empires back then needed

Nowadays, you could be isle of man and as long as you have influence youre capable of forming a world empire

[fresh cedar]

The diaries also said that if you take land, your energy efficiency goes down bc non-core debuffs.

So even though Germany and Japan can conquer it, they’re not going to be as efficient

[real temple]

Oooh, im excited for the dlc even more now

[fresh cedar]

Their own weight will crush them

[real temple]

hopefully coal can be used for navy, as was used IRL

[fresh cedar]

In one of the diaries the devs said it won’t be

Can’t remember which one

[real temple]

Damn, thats dumb ngl

[real temple]

Prolly rhe coal one

I might have misread it thats why I thought so

[fresh cedar]

Believe it or not though, many ships by this time were already not coal

Like after the 20’s most weren’t coal anymore

[real temple]

Yh, but it'd be cool for minors with no oil or civs to buy oil

[fresh cedar]

But would be cool if early ship classes were, or had the option

[real temple]

Kek coal plane

[fresh cedar]

Basically they said while some ships and dreadnoughts would be, they opted not to since the majority weren’t coal

And they didn’t wants ships competing with your economic needs

[real temple]

T1 engine's (oil/coal), t2+ using oil would fix it ngl

[real temple]

But... oil is already used for everything and eats into your civs if you need to buy more?

[fresh cedar]

In a sense yeah

I think they basically just wanted major conquest nations to feel the weight of occupation

Like if you achieve autarky and do formables it’s not as big of a deal

It also incentivizes you to setup puppets/collabs

I think they wanted Germany and Japan to use Reichkommisariats more

[real temple]

Japan doesnt really get that choice

They kinda already just puppet all of china under the reorganized government

Germany already has all thr RK's, which are only useful if you dont use collabs

But i see your point

[vast shore]

I wonder how impactful coal will be for japan

[fresh cedar]

Conquer or starve

[vast shore]

I hope

but I dont believe it

[fresh cedar]

Well really it’ll just be a hard starting position for Germany and Japan. Conquering will slowly boost their economy but if it stagnates it can also slow you down so your enemies will outpace you

[vast shore]

Japan sure

Germany

Idk

Glück Auf!

[fresh cedar]

Won’t really do well till reaching Ukraine

[vast shore]

guess from what region in Germany I am from

if I say we have enough coal we have enough coal damn you!

[vast shore]

I just hope

China gets actually rewarded

for holding out

[fresh cedar]

Will it be enough once you take France? Will France’s economy offset your domestic production?

[wooden wyvern]

are they not getting anything like rks

[brittle venture]

japan was way different from germany

[wooden wyvern]

otl they had like 3 or 4 different puppet governments before wang jiwei regime

just in china alone

[brittle venture]

germany occupied regions and put germans/people they considered to be higher race in charge

[wooden wyvern]

yea i know

[brittle venture]

japan did collaboration governments made out of locals

[wooden wyvern]

japan used local collaborators

[brittle venture]

its just like

[wooden wyvern]

but like

[brittle venture]

already a mechanic

collab govs

gotta have compliance

[wooden wyvern]

i mean

itd make more sense if it was just a decision imo

cause they would have unique tags and such

and of course china was a huge mess until all their governments were consolidated into rgc

[brittle venture]

ofc im just explaining why it probably wont be added

[wooden wyvern]

i see

thats unfortunate

[brittle venture]

as someone who isnt a dev so its not like official

dont take my word for stuff

[wooden wyvern]

ofc

im just hoping japan ends up at least as good as germany is

in terms of content / flavor

but i realize thats a bit high

esp for a dev team that is likely more familiar with the german side of the war

im more concerned over the navy mechanics and the factions

cause thats stuff that could be huge for mods

[hushed lion]

Honestly I feel like japan is looking better than gemrany so far

[brittle venture]

not even just that

the source material for everything japan is mediocre at best

because of the chinese civil war immediately after ww2, followed up by the vietnam war a lot of stuff was censored, lost, etc

japan also has never been very fond of sharing a lot about the war, and the global interest was more on 'in a possibly hot war, how should we fight the east/west'

and japan quite honestly did not really play a part in that

lack of interest also means less preservation, less publishing

[wooden wyvern]

mm i see

[brittle venture]

japan on top of that also was pretty "recently" isolated from the world

and not really uh globalist

[wooden wyvern]

are we that uninformed on it

[brittle venture]

not entirely

[wooden wyvern]

i always figured anything that was lost likely was too specific for a game like this

[brittle venture]

but you have to understand that its much harder than germany

[wooden wyvern]

mm fair

the more i learn the more i realize japan had the biggest pr miracle of the century

[brittle venture]

i mean

this is a trend youll see in other games too

take for example war thunder they want to depict a lot of tanks in realism

and even though we are pretty sure japan had more tank types than are confirmed, theres incredibly dubious sources at best

and even with their best intentions theyre often left just making guesses (for example for some tanks' roofs, we do not know if they existed or not)

and i believe the devs have spent a lot of time researching of course

but its just very difficult

with language barrier as well ofc

[wooden wyvern]

mm yea thats the main thing i was imagining

[real temple]

I would doubt it

They might have the choice to make like Malaya and Philippines into imperial vassals, but germsny actually needs the RK's or they run out of manpower occupying everything

[wooden wyvern]

...and japan wouldnt?

[stable tusk]

I know for sure they got the Philippines and I guess the Reorganized Government for achiba
And the Indochinese nations
And maybe Azad Hind

How did I spell China so bad

[wooden wyvern]

the territory japan occupied had a higher population iirc

[wooden wyvern]

thats most of them i think
minus indonesia

that looks pretty good

i am curious to see how they will handle the occupation before wang jiwei rgc

[real temple]

Indonesia would probably be a unified RK for the islands

Siam gets Malayan mainland Asia

But yea, Japan IRL never really had plans as ambitious as Adam Hilt did with the reich, they mostly held onto the coast as they left China the mainland in a loyal vassal state, and SEA would be like Siam, part of the GEACPS but with the same rules as manchuria and allat

Basically the RK's but autonomous

[real temple]

At least, according to AI, this may be subject to being incorrect, I am actively laying in bed and could not be bothered to get onto my pc to properly and formally research this

I personally think the japanese should get their own vassal type specifically for their tag (tag = JAP) specifically for that, China too with the qing (maybe even ming as a funny little thing)

My idea is

Imperial Mandate = independent but vassals like the SEA nations. This is basically Reichskomissariat moscau or the Raj

Imperial Vassal = Manchuria, or other vassal states like them. - this is ostland or what Palestine/Jordan are

Imperial Governents = Inland China, and any vassals like Siberia, Far East Empire, maybe even Pacific America - this is similar to Bohemia RK

Then ofc the occupied lands with a japanese exclusive occupation law "Imperial Military Occupation" with more resource gain and suppression but you lose compliance too

[drifting star]

Watch there be puppets for the whole world

[hollow coral]

Lets not compare it to rks

Although imperial mandates could be like resource states

lets rename imperial vassals to collaboration states since they presented themselves as freeing asia from colonials

[real temple]

True ill prolly mod or smth when im done spin

[coral drift]

It's obvious since Indonesia is getting a full content.
In my Indies mod i make the Netherlands (in the Move to Batavia path) to be more difficult to gain compliance without political concessions

[coral drift]

At least skeleton content for MAL, and General Arthur Percival to be moved there

[rocky oasis]

Probably

[coral drift]

There are also coal deposits in West Sumatra and West Java, though. But the biggest untapped deposists are in Kalimantan

[fresh cedar]

It’s why I keep really wanting to see more about coal. I want to see what non-core coal is like and what the distribution of it is

Legit may be the most impactful thing coming

But something we know the littlest about

[sharp spade]

Where’s this from?

[slow quest]

I wonder

[hollow coral]

post on reddit before the AMA

[sharp spade]

Ah

[hollow coral]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/reddit-ama-today-some-more-info.1873803/

[vast shore]

Woah

careful there

One step from Japan Apologia

[stable mica]

Wait what? USA is no more part of the Allies?

[vast shore]

I assume they'll merge

in 1941

holy shit

I just realized something

Imagine the USA can force the Allies into their 'power bloc'

and forces them to decolonize via the new reworked faciton

like a 'force decolonization' thing that gives weekly puppet autonomy

[coral drift]

Atlantic Charter can be made more important in HoI4

The biggest supporter of it from the Dutch side was... Van Mook obviously

[fresh cedar]

Because the US is notorious for hating decolonization. They’d never manifest such a destiny for themselves

Sarcasm went over your head

US wouldn’t really do that for anything out of the Americas

[hoary siren]

Tbf, USA historically did push for European powers to decolonize

[hollow lion]

Only when it would favor American interests

[fresh cedar]

Yeah after the game takes place

[vast shore]

Not really

you're just wrong

[coral drift]

Henry Wallace is notorious

[fresh cedar]

The game ends 1948. The US didn’t really push for this until the 1950’s and 1960’s apart from in the Americas.

If you are going to include such mechanics then the Cold War would need implementation as well

[real temple]

By 1948, america decolonizing was already taking place, and that is what made other nations start

Because if USA can be a strong, dominant power (world hegemon) even after decolonization, we should follow suit so we dont seem like the bad guys

Also bc of like, hundreds of other factors, all of which are so variable that one slight change ih the war easily could have left the world in a worse position by decolonizimg

[fresh cedar]

US pushed for decolonization so it can gain influence over more markets. Not for morality 😂

[real temple]

Nah morality wasn't their plan

[fresh cedar]

It literally wanted empires to crumble so that it could invest, gain resource rights, and have economic pull over new areas

[real temple]

Even though they basically controlled all that as is

Bc who's gonna argue with a country that can shoot guns outa guns and make it cost effective

[fresh cedar]

Right, but the majority of continents didn’t decolonize till the 1950’s

Indochina, Africa, Malaysia, Caribbean, and many others followed in the 1960’s

So how would this be represented in game?

[real temple]

It already is, but it doesnt have to be included historically

All that needs to be changed is if UK decolonizes, then they should be able to pressure other nations to so the same

[fresh cedar]

When does Africa and Asia decolonize on historical?

[fresh cedar]

It already does that ahistorical

[real temple]

It doesnt unless the player goes alt-hist before UK can do their 1st focus

[vast shore]

yeah

boohoo

but still

Point stands

[fresh cedar]

Yeah the point stands it took place a decade or two after the game is set 😂

[vast shore]

no...?

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/armand-cat-actually-meme-iwtv-assad-zaman-stan-twitter-gif-14368048093917399890

[vast shore]

I stand corrected

[real temple]

Egypt never was as colonized as say, Zambia or other inner African nations like thay

It kinda was just forced into british rule under a british loyalist

[severe canyon]

So colonized

But not as badly

[hoary siren]

Modern morality is also different than morality ideals back then

[fresh cedar]

It always fluctuates, this is true

[dense gale]

its both

america was anti imperialism

but it also helps that decolonised countries could fall into the american sphere

[hushed lion]

Or rather replacing the previous imperialism with their own

[hushed lion]

"Fell in" many of them had their governments overthrown by the cia

[vast shore]

genuinely this

but muh black n white lens!

[dense gale]

Yea and ur ignoring the fact the position the American had

During the Suez Canal crisis

Or during Indonesia war of independence

[hoary siren]

This is true

[dense gale]

The Soviet Union overthrown multiple governments through coups too

Were they not anti imperialist

The fact is during the Cold War both the Soviet Union and the United States took anti imperialist positions

[hoary siren]

Any major power is imperialist. Always have been

[dense gale]

Yea their own brand

[hushed lion]

Like sure they allowed Indonesia to have independence then followed it up by overthrowning the countries leader

[hoary siren]

Look at China today with their new Silk Road initiative. Same idea different form

[dense gale]

It’s diplomatic plays to get them into their sphere of influence

[hoary siren]

Playing the smart game

[winter tartan]

Claiming the US and the USSR were anti-imperialist is like claiming the 6th coalition was anti-imperialist

The 6th coalition was only anti-imperialist against the French Empire

And the Cold war was anti-imperialism... But only against European powers

[vast shore]

I introduce you to this nice thing

called

depth, murkiness and grey areas

Its when 2 things can be true simultaneously

even when they may seem like they oppose each other

[winter tartan]

Not really

[hoary siren]

Yes

[winter tartan]

It is just that they hypocritically waved the flag of anti-imperialism in order to impose their own

[hoary siren]

Also true, doesn’t change the original statement

[brittle venture]

yes

they were in fact anti imperialist then

hypocrites? sure

but they still were anti imperialists in that sense

but its more complex because they did want empires, where the french republic didnt

so its more like they were regressionists against anti-imperialism

and the anti-imperialism was done by the french empire

your actions can do more than 1 thing at ocne you know

thats where the grey area is

[fresh cedar]

The guise of anti-imperialism yes. But in reality they were just toppling governments and extending influence through their own form of imperialism

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

All I’m trying to say though is having the US pursue anti-imperialism on historical wouldn’t really make sense since most of the strides taken were from 1947 onward.

Would rather see the US focus late game on NATO/anti communism

[hoary siren]

We desperately need a pdx Cold War game

It’s like the one time period still missing

[nimble torrent]

They did have one in development
I think in parallel to hoi 4?

But it got quietly dropped afaik

I'd honestly rather see a hoi5 (whenever it comes) that starts in WW2, and goes into the cold war

[harsh hull]

We need a PDX future wars game

...wait, Stellaris, right

Scratch that

[drifting star]

Sort of like the fire rises

[coral drift]

This is really that wacky IRL btw
The Eisenhower Administration backed the Indonesian Government led by Sukarno and Indonesian High Command led by Nasution
Dulles' CIA backed the Indonesian renegade colonels led by Ahmad Hussein

[fresh cedar]

Or even modern tbh

[fresh cedar]

A win no matter what 😉

[coral drift]

Nope
The result is the Soviet-Indonesian Rapproachment

Then Kennedy sent 10 C-130 to Indonesia to make amends and releasing a captured American pilot who supporting the rebels.

[pastel flume]

No it's stupid to have 20 different cosmetic tags for essentially the same formable, all the south American formables having different names is stupid instead of just having a decision generic formabke that they all have access to

[brittle venture]

not everything has to be significant to you to be significant as a whole

i think making the people which the content is about happy is a good thing

[fresh cedar]

And I think it’s stupid to have a single tag for 20 different countries. It’s unlikely that unified regions would have the same name for all peoples, as that’s rarely the case throughout history.

Like yesss, a unified Portuguese empire should have the same name as a Spanish one. 💀💀💀

[pastel flume]

Dude union of Latin American socialist Republics and South American socialist Republics can just be the same formable it's stupid to have 2 of them

[pastel flume]

Not what I said

Like chile can core Brazil in Hispanic union formable

[fresh cedar]

Personally I prefer the differentiation and think that dumbing the game down isn’t needed. So we just disagree on the topic

[pastel flume]

America do sul and united states of South America could just have been ideology names for the same formable and not different cosmetic tags

[pastel flume]

Its not dumbing the game down it's not having bloat

[fresh cedar]

This has gotta be ragebait

No way you actually see diversity in names as a bad thing. 😂

[pastel flume]

There's no reason to have like 5 different Persian empire names

Or 4 alpine cosmetic tags instead of ideology names

[fresh cedar]

Yes by this logic, every ideology for Germany should have the same name. Every formable should also be the same, not dependent on ideology.

French Empire? Nah just call it France

Great Britain? Nah just call it UK

[pastel flume]

I've said formable names not ideology

[fresh cedar]

People’s republic of China? Nah just call it China

[pastel flume]

Missing the point

[fresh cedar]

Countries as they are basically are formable countries. Nations comprised of states and diff peoples. Names allow for being able to differentiate them

[pastel flume]

That why you have it anmed differently with a different ideology but it still has the same cosmetic tag

[pastel flume]

You are missing the point

[fresh cedar]

Right, but formables often differ bc the nation forming them. So the nation running it, have different cultures

Like the Seljuks owning Iran would have a diff name than the Mongols or Greeks bc they’re led by a different people

The name differentiates their leaders

[pastel flume]

Ok but a united south America as Argentina and Chile should just be the same and not be 3 different cosmetic tags since they all achieve the same purpose

[fresh cedar]

Why? Do they have identical histories? Ethnicities? Cultures?

[pastel flume]

Like African union as ethiopia and as Congo are the same cosmetic tag as they achieve the same purpose

[pastel flume]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

No they don’t 😭

[pastel flume]

Both hispanic

Same language

[fresh cedar]

💀💀💀

[pastel flume]

Shared history

Similar culture

Thats why there's pan-hispanism

[fresh cedar]

They genuinely aren’t the same

This is the problem with your logic on eliminating naming variety in formables. It assumes they’re all identical, when in reality most countries differ quite a lot

And yes, Chile and Argentina have different histories, cultures, ethnicities

[pastel flume]

It removes bloat

[pastel flume]

dude they are both hispanic

No they are not different ethnicities

They have shared history

[fresh cedar]

That’s like saying the USA and UK are identical bc Anglo roots

[sharp spade]

There’s still sub cultures and traditions

[pastel flume]

Similar culture

[pastel flume]

Yes but we are arguing a formable that unifies these cultures

[fresh cedar]

They legit had different natives, relationships with other polities, different formations

[fresh cedar]

And my argument is an Argentinian led one is different than a Chilean led one

[pastel flume]

Dude we are talking about Hispanics not natives

Hoi4 already has a unified Americas as federation of natives that makes sense as a separate tag

But sudamerica legionara and confederation sudamericana should be the same

[fresh cedar]

Missing the point. These countries are much more complex than “Both Hispanic”

[pastel flume]

Every country is complex

[fresh cedar]

Thanks for proving my point! 🙂

[sharp spade]

Just waiting for the dlc

[pastel flume]

But still makes more sense for all the Latin countries to form a Hispanic union

Like all the caribean nations form antilles confederation

All the Arab countries form arabia

All the Nordic countries form nordics

[fresh cedar]

Not true, they have diff formables and tags

[pastel flume]

All the Baltic countries form the baltics

[pastel flume]

Nope it's all the same nordic_unified tag

[fresh cedar]

Ah yes let’s return to like 2019 naming conventions and dumb the game down

Ngl I enjoy they add diversity. You call it bloat, I call it flavor

Just mod in unseasoned names if you want ig

[fresh cedar]

Like 4 days

[sharp spade]

Can’t come soon enough

I did my final European game as Germany before the dlc

[fresh cedar]

I did my final PRC one

[fresh cedar]

Coal might be huge for European balance

[pastel flume]

No i think it will hurt minor nations even more

If they don't distribute it properly

Like africa or the americas

[hollow coral]

what is actually the problem?

[fresh cedar]

Unique and relevant names = bad

[hollow coral]

so no real problem

Its always the gfx that makes someone angry

[sharp spade]

True

Soviets will have a huge economic leap

As soon as Japan conquers China they’ll be powerful

[pastel flume]

Not what I said, I said that having 5-6 different cosmetic tags for the same formable is bloat, there's no need for like 5 different greater Finlands, 4 different alpine formables, or the billion united south America formables that all effectively achieve the same thing with coring those territories. It can still be achieved using ideology names instead as it makes no sense that a formable such as union of South American socialist Republics is still called that even when non aligned or fascist

[hollow coral]

there isnt actually a problem of having them other than hollowbeing having to make 3 separate videos

Yes it is ‘bloated’ but it doesnt affect any gameplay

Id argue it makes each feel unique while being essentially the same

[vast shore]

The PDX community still cries because vic 3 has an oversimplified military system and you want a game about the cold war, famous for not going hot lol?

[vast shore]

You're being purposefully dense lol

[fresh cedar]

I’m not reading all that. We disagree, let’s leave it at that.

[fresh cedar]

Would effectively be a spy/intelligence game.

[vast shore]

Nono

[fresh cedar]

No, my position is clear. It’s okay to disagree. 🙂

[vast shore]

It is

but you're being

How do you call it

When you mistrue the argument

[fresh cedar]

Genuinely I don’t care about the argument anymore. Let’s move on from it

[vast shore]

Just be more honest

Lol

[vast shore]

well

So far

[fresh cedar]

Again, let’s move on

[vast shore]

no paradox game got a good spy system

so my hopes aren't too high

[vast shore]

yeah

just be more honest next time

[vast shore]

So I dont think a Cold war game would work

I mean you could make a "vicky" style game

for the cold war

add economics

ands politics

that could be interesting

but I guarantee you

the people criticizing vicky 3 for its military

would probably do the same

Unless you want to escalate it to WW3

[fresh cedar]

Respecting others boundaries in HOI4 discord, level impossible

[vast shore]

I moved on 3 times and you keep bringing it up but also you were mistruing his argument and when someone calls it out you're like "Lets move on (dont expose me please 😢)"

[hoary siren]

True

[hushed lion]

A cold war game would be peak

[rocky escarp]

Issue is having the military system be wholly about physical units occupying provinces forces your hand when trying to represent irregular warfare of the Cold War period

Not that Vic3 is as of yet addressing that with the new guerilla war type that probably has no worth to advertise here. The micromanagement of individually interacting with battles is always required for a war game and nothing's changing yet

[fresh cedar]

Plus HOI4 started like this, where you had to occupy states with actual divisions

And it was hell

[vast shore]

personally

I think you could, at leasti in hoi4, represent guerilla warfare with unit spawn ins

but I really hate just a "guerilla warfare" state modifier

[rocky escarp]

You wouldn't want to with the unit movement micro needed on the occupier's part

[vast shore]

tbf

garrison order

problem solved

Idk why people make it seem like such a huge issue

the devs said the same, its why we dont get unit spawn ins for commie china

[rocky escarp]

I dunno, if the intention is that historical Yugoslavia can do it

Then I don't want to see the historical MP reaction when you got someone up your bottom manually guerilla-ing your control of the balkans out of your grip

[vast shore]

All it would require is to put garrison units

down

like you'd had to do before la resistance

and then units would get auto hunted

like the "crush rebels" feature in eu4

[rocky escarp]

I don't think auto-hunting is a credible counter to a player moving units up your backside

[vast shore]

Yes

makes it more fun lol

for the guerilla warfare player

and its just meant to buy you time really

[rocky escarp]

Needs to be tolerable for the occupier

Otherwise it's just a distraction from the main front that's only purpose is to be degenerate to the pacing of the match

[vast shore]

I mean yea

but I feel like a balance like this could be found

And I feel like some countries do deserve such a mechanic

like Yugoslavia

Which historically was a pain in the ass because of that

and liberated itself

(all of) China

And maybe the soviets

[rocky escarp]

My point still stands that I simply don't see units on provinces as a viable guerilla warfare mechanic

[vast shore]

I mean

the Raid mechanic

they added for the CCP

Is probably a good start

[rocky escarp]

Maybe HOI IV team can cook something else up

Maybe they're too dug in with the engine they're stuck with

[vast shore]

true

I just really like guerilla warfare

[brittle venture]

hoi3 had the ability to just

spawn units from resistance in places

which was dumb and complicated

[vast shore]

I find that a cool concept

[rocky escarp]

That's almost my point

[brittle venture]

its a cool concept but it doesnt really work great

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[brittle venture]

i think the issue between guerrilla warfare and hoi4 personally

is the tile system

[vast shore]

tile system so big of a problem

you had to say it twice

[brittle venture]

my discord bugs im sorry 😭

but its like you either take and have a tile or you dont and theres no real way to partially control stuff

[vast shore]

anyway

Im a gremlin

I play assymetrical

so Im more drawn to this shit

(cant wait to spam militia as Commie China)

(with the new doctrines)

[brittle venture]

paratrooper spam fr

[vast shore]

for me it were marine commandos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNL89rtFqTQ

the italian/german player every minute

[rocky escarp]

It would be funny if that was achievable using rivers

Ah yes, the genius idea I came up with: mountaineering expeditions

[vast shore]

Explain

[fading walrus]

you have nailed my world view

[fresh cedar]

Exactlyyy

[hoary siren]

I think its moreso just common sense, no point in saying someone is more bad than another imo

[fresh cedar]

The scale and intensity does vary

So the dlc comes out like Thursday right?

Wild to get coal, energy and faction info so late😭

[hoary siren]

literally my thoughts, wouldnt make more sense to have done that last week instead of doing to dev diaries in like 2 days of each other?

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

Moreso than anything these are the most impactful

Moreso than any tree or military rework

So I’m kinda worried 😅

[hoary siren]

coal especially want to see

[fresh cedar]

Fr, they touched on energy like months ago

[hoary siren]

Yeah, I don’t know how they’re going to cram all that into one diary either

[fresh cedar]

I think they’re gonna do two and probably a patch notes one

[sharp spade]

I was thinking Monday will be all the new feature and Tuesday will be for art achievements patch notes and stuff for modders

[safe trail]

4Days

[vast shore]

blame eu5

https://tenor.com/view/grrr-gif-18348448

[safe trail]

eu 5 to be fair is really good and a succes

[vast shore]

yea

but Im not interested in it

so it blows

[safe trail]

a new game gets always the treatment

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully

I really want to know how occupation laws and economy laws interact with coal/energy. Will unique economic laws like Anarchism/New Economic Policy be buffed as a result?

[bright hill]

New thing bad. Old thing good. If people like new thing it’s because they’re dummies unlike me, the enlightened Chad

[hushed lion]

It's not about old thing good new thing bad, it's about Europa universalis being bad in general

[faint parrot]

whats eu5 even about

[hoary siren]

age of exploration, discorvery of the americas

but it also starts about 100+ or so years before that even happened

[faint parrot]

that sounds like a game would take years

[hoary siren]

Think it took some people around 5 hours to go from 1330s-1450 ish

But they were also brand new

[bright hill]

It doesn’t take that long but you definitely get a lot of time out of an EU game if you play from beginning date to ending date

[hushed lion]

Is there a bonus song?

[vast shore]

Probably not

[fresh cedar]

I feel like they would’ve announced it. Wasn’t the bonus just the fleet tenders?

[hushed lion]

Weird, this is probably the first major dlc without one in years

[fresh cedar]

Could be a last minute announcement but I’d guess we would’ve heard about it before

[vast shore]

sadly

I love my music

[fresh cedar]

Think they might be done with the bonus song thing? They had bonus songs for years then just released a dlc where you could buy them all

[floral anvil]

Why is Paraguay and Uruguay not in the country selection menu?

[polar jasper]

They arent? I think it might be because they were side projects that were added in

[hollow coral]

Im pretty sure iceland was added into the menu recently maybe in GOE?

Maybe to make the menu symmetrical

So with the philippines being added they might add in uruguay and paraguay

[pastel flume]

Don't forget Aussa too

[hollow coral]

They share the same tree either the ethiopian releasables so no

[pastel flume]

But they are a starting nation with a focus tree

doesnt matter that is shared

Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay share the same military branch

Baltics share the same industry branch

Nordics have a shared tree

[hollow coral]

Its essentially a flavoured generic

What you listed is very different

[zenith sigil]

aussa is nice ig

it isn't that hard to play and if you've ever played Ethiopia you know what's coming

Since you go to war around February 20, 1936, you get a luxury Ethiopia doesn't

You can hire a general (also helped by the fact it only costs 5 for Aussa)

In fact, if you get lucky by getting Commando (and then camoflague expert), Aussa might be easier than Ethiopia

[brittle venture]

its way easier

no research debuff, more spare IC

[zenith sigil]

Ah yeah no research debuff helps

But spare IC?

[brittle venture]

not spare manpower

but you always have more than enough gun

[cosmic stag]

hello

im happy that in NCNS PDX will add more Special projects

[zenith sigil]

i see

[cosmic stag]

ill use and utilise em ALL

[wise oxide]

today news?

[oblique bobcat]

When dev diary

[vast shore]

tmrw

(probably)

[vast shore]

That is not as cool as the fact that there will be faction special project research

Making special projects faster

[cosmic stag]

alr

[median bronze]

wonder if we will get the balance changes video today

[wise oxide]

is it a thing?

[hoary siren]

They’re already really fast, not sure they need to be faster

[vast shore]

what

you're wrong

[hoary siren]

You can get nukes and supersonic jets by 1942

[vast shore]

Nice

Now try producing them

in significant quantities

[hoary siren]

With good rng SuperSonics can come out in 1942

[vast shore]

The game is over by '42

Lol

[hoary siren]

Yes, doesn’t change the fact that they are researched ridiculously fast

[vast shore]

No they arent

[hoary siren]

They are

[vast shore]

If you unlock them by the time the game is over

they arent ridiculously fast

[hoary siren]

The nuke research literally gives you free nukes brother like what

[vast shore]

Okay

[hoary siren]

You don’t need faster research for them

[vast shore]

Maybe not for them

But have you ever used an ice carrier in an mp game?

or seen itb

[hoary siren]

No because waste of research

[vast shore]

I havent

[vast shore]

They are really good lol

[brittle venture]

ever considered mp games are faster than intended gametime

[vast shore]

SP is also faster then intended game time

In fact

even faster

[hoary siren]

Can be, but 36 carriers are good enough and therefore better

[vast shore]

[brittle venture]

not really for the average player

[vast shore]

What

[brittle venture]

people are bad

[vast shore]

I hate the hoi4 community

[brittle venture]

like you can find the stats somewhere

i forgot where

of the average hoi player

[vast shore]

Anyway

Point still stands

aside from a few technologies

[brittle venture]

mp and by extension knowledgeable people are a minority

[vast shore]

They need to be faster

[hoary siren]

Well, you’re point is different then

[vast shore]

Not really

I just specified it

Because you used exceptions

and made it a rule

[hoary siren]

Not really, guarantee I can find a lot more projects that can be done just as quick, those were just the ones I’ve personally tested

[vast shore]

cool

[hoary siren]

Cool

[vast shore]

Dont blame them

Hoi4 community dog shit

Wouldn't recommend the Mp experience to anyone

[median bronze]

yeah they said we getting a video this week about it

and the release is thursday so

[thick edge]

If u remember show me

[brittle venture]

no

[fresh cedar]

No you don’t remember, or no you won’t show?

[hushed lion]

Still no dev diary

[safe trail]

18 nov and 19 i bet

[barren tusk]

no faction rework or coal add?

just OST?

[median bronze]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/no-compromise-no-surrender-original-soundtrack.1875513/

[brittle venture]

wont show to chris specifically

[fresh cedar]

Dang it’s the whole soundtrack?

[crimson tartan]

https://youtu.be/Ty0WB_Q8c_o?si=5r5h7rVVzlOmaNIj

[fresh cedar]

Maybe tomorrow

[crimson tartan]

oh andreas waldetoft is still working with pdx

[fresh cedar]

Warriors Heart March reminds me of earlier HOI titles

[wise oxide]

better than nothing ig

[winter tartan]

Leaving the faction dev diary for 2 days before the update is risky at very least

[fresh cedar]

So like, I like the music. It’s very soundtrack oriented. But kinda makes me miss the marches of earlier dlc. Like Drum Bun, March of the Defenders, My, Pierwsza Brygada

[thick edge]

U just hate me then 😔

[fresh cedar]

Japan, KMT, and PRC have some pretty good march songs. So it’s a shame none made it, even in instrumental form

Wonder why they went full instrumental soundtrack this time around

[thick edge]

Will they keep the old Chinese and Japanese soundtracks?

[safe trail]

18 and 19 nov dev diary

zhen

?

then

[crimson tartan]

who knows, who knows...

[thick edge]

I ate one of them so only Nov 19

[fresh cedar]

Like NSB had these and Katyusha

With lyrics 😢

This dlc sounds like a WW2 game soundtrack don’t get me wrong

https://youtu.be/S1WjtLkoddA?si=XAA3pYGkGWaur9lM Could’ve even just had an instrumental of this song

[barren tusk]

btw did they add the exclusive music when you pre order?

[fresh cedar]

I think the exclusive were 3d models this time around. Not a song

I can’t be the only one who wished for marches lol

[crimson tartan]

maybe they should add something new as pre order bonus

like uuh in-game content

[fresh cedar]

They did

Fleet tenders 😭

Ngl ship 3d models are kinda the lowest on my want list

But this being pacific war, I get it

[crimson tartan]

for dlc it is just 1 song

oh wait

for previous dlcs*

[fresh cedar]

Nah they have like 6-8

[crimson tartan]

wdym

[fresh cedar]

Today they posted the OST for this DLC.

10 songs

[crimson tartan]

yeah i mean the pre order bonus
for nsb is katyusha
for bba is bella ciao etc

nothing else

and i think maybe they should add something new
maybe a few models, maybe a bit of portaits, icons, or even events

1 song is.. boring?

[fresh cedar]

I’d like unit models more than anything

Like different skins for infantry

[polar jasper]

I spent $50 for those seaplane tenders. Im getting the DLCs for free

Top tier pre-order bonus, trust

(More than likely will never use)

[odd umbra]

Achievements when

[brittle venture]

seaplane tenders is gonna change the meta

[turbid furnace]

Tell us if the seaplane tenders do anything or is it actually just a skin for a destroywr

[brittle venture]

its a model pack

[polar jasper]

Skins

[brittle venture]

it just gives some visuals

[polar jasper]

Literally nothing else

Like unit packs

[turbid furnace]

A skin... Of a seaplane tender.... For a destroyer.... A ship that cannot have a seaplane module.....

[brittle venture]

theyre changing navy

[polar jasper]

I think they can soon

[brittle venture]

its probably relevant

anyway its just some skins

[polar jasper]

I think they are giving access to some cruiser modules to destroyers

[brittle venture]

get it if you want 1% better visuals

[turbid furnace]

I hope so, I didn't spend 900 hours in this game for some army or air force. I'm all about navy

[polar jasper]

By giving cruiser modules to destroyers, they are allowing sea plane carrying patrol boats

[brittle venture]

you can play hoi4 without having the game on excel spreadsheets actually

so skin packs are useless

yk what ill be the first to say it you dont have to buy the game to get into hoi4 meta

[turbid furnace]

There is a naval game that is actually just excel spreadsheet and it costs 40$

Rule the waves 3, look it up

Still, I play hoi 4 for the navy, probably because I'm insane

[soft swallow]

FYI - https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1ozibv6/remaining_dev_diaries/

[safe trail]

Great

[quasi harbor]

Excited for Wednesday

[cosmic stag]

OH baby

cant wait to see the NEW Special projects

[fresh cedar]

Features day before release is wild 😭

Ya savages

[fresh cedar]

It will in the upcoming dlc

[vast shore]

The OST is a banger

Good work

Also nice mix of Battle music and Chill nation building pre war music

[steep stump]

will there be any more dev diarys for achivmets or things like that?

[vast shore]

I really liked Stillness of the north

[safe trail]

tommorow

[wispy socket]

Is that Andreas Waldetoft in the new soundtrack? 👀

[alpine mist]

I love soundtracks in game

[vast shore]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

Same

[steep stump]

where do you see when new come out?is there like a list for that?

[unborn turret]

Rule the Waves 3 is peak if you get past the learning curve and are fine with minimalist graphic design.

The combat is not an excel spreadsheet.

[languid imp]

but seaplane tenders had the size of a light cruiser, not a destroyer

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I found that weird too. Bc technically a destroyer may be able to launch a small floatplane if that’s all it was designed for. But the 3d models have like PBY’s 😭

[turbid furnace]

Also I did not quite understand from the dev diary how were PT boats accounted for? They are like modified destroyers?

[vast shore]

Yes

They literally just made them cheap destroyers

[fresh cedar]

I think it may just buff destroyers

[turbid furnace]

And the downside to making pt boats instead of destroyers is.....?

[vast shore]

Less stats

[fresh cedar]

Idk if PT boats are actual units you can build

[vast shore]

But also I think its philippines exclusive

[fresh cedar]

Or if it’s just like a module/buff for destroyers

Basically Phillipines will have a buff for it

But everyone can use them

[turbid furnace]

I just checked it in dev diary

It's literally just destroyers and you have a doctrine that makes your destroyers have some buffs?

Am I reading it right?

You have a patrol boat doctrine that modifies your destroyer stats

[unborn turret]

Or in some cases a heavy cruiser.

Tangier was just shy of 12,000 tonnes after her conversion.

Curtiss was 13,691 tonnes fully loaded.

[languid imp]

yes, and the dlc models are based on 5000 tonns ships, so they would be light cruisers

[unborn turret]

Also, not being the size of a destroyer is also not true.

[languid imp]

hoi4 gamers >>>> consultant historian of paradox, if they have someone

[unborn turret]

A number of Clemson class destroyers were converted to Seaplane tenders.

[brittle venture]

destroyers have stats?

[vast shore]

"Lennard look at my stats"

-Dankus Navicus

[vast shore]

tbf

Paradox has to balance game balance

So they make some concessions

[turbid furnace]

You know I'm not worried they made seaplane carriers the size of destroyers.

They made pt boats the size of destroyers

They literally made little boats that are 1/5th the size of an actual destroyer a better version of it

Compare it for yourself

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I said like 5 times 😂

[turbid furnace]

Yeah sorry I guess I just didn't want to believe they would make something that stupid

[fresh cedar]

I think PT boats do have 3d models potentially though. Like if I understand it correctly, they may be a module

They’re reworking naval so I’m sure they’re be useful in certain roles. Whereas traditional destroyers will be better in others

I don’t mind it tbh.

If PT boats were a unique ship people would just spam thousands of them

[turbid furnace]

I guess but it just misses the entire point of a pt boat

[fresh cedar]

Think they just extend view range, no?

[wispy socket]

The song "Where the Dragon Rises" in the new soundtrack is a direct call back to "Battle of Wuhan" right?

[turbid furnace]

You mean?

[fresh cedar]

Sounds like it

[fresh cedar]

Should just like buff torpedo attack and spotting. While nerfing hp ig?

[turbid furnace]

It's like making a bayraktar drone a slightly different A-10

[fresh cedar]

I just don’t know how they’d implement PT boats as their own class without them being broken

So better to be support

[fresh cedar]

How would you implement a PT boat?

Irl you wouldn’t want to send thousands of small ships in bc lack of ranged weapons, no armor and would get shredded. But in game, you could just overwhelm larger ship classes with torpedo spam

[languid imp]

like a module in destroyers, and those destroyers would be a mother ship of pts?? it would be better than a pt class ship

[unborn turret]

Have them not exist as individuals but as squadrons.

[unborn turret]

PT boat tenders were generally converted cargo ships.

[fresh cedar]

I think that’s what they did. Unless it’s just buffs and tweaks to destroyer stats

[turbid furnace]

I think it should be something like planes in game. You could build a building on the coast that function as a base, and from it you could send a squadron (like air wings) to the sea region where the base is located

[fresh cedar]

So instead of a destroyer, have a new ship class that acts as a PT tender?

[fresh cedar]

That’s also how ships work

[turbid furnace]

But the range would be limited to this specific region where the base is built. And the squadrons would replenish themselves

[fresh cedar]

That seems kinda OP

It’s like that stationery gun special project

Only problem is PT boats weren’t limited to operations like that

I think being a module of Destroyers and Cruisers would be best

[turbid furnace]

I would understand making corvettes worse destroyers but pt boats were

Just wooden boats

[thick edge]

Can I just use rowboats

[turbid furnace]

With torpedos as it's only armament and machine guns against planes

[thick edge]

And like put a few grenades in there

[fresh cedar]

Torpedo and AA spam would kinda be broken 😭

[turbid furnace]

What I'm saying is, I don't see a point in making a pt boat a modified destroyer, I would rather not have it at all

[fresh cedar]

Why?

I’m not trying to be difficult or a contrarian. I just don’t see why it’s bad

I view PT boats similar to float planes I guess

So don’t mind that they would just boost a larger ship. Even though IRL they were a bit more independent

[turbid furnace]

Ok I can see how it could be implemented but it should be massively nerfed destroyer

[fresh cedar]

Should be like a destroyer focused on attacking convoys rather than surface ships imo

[turbid furnace]

Because a standard Elco pt boat had 4 torpedos and 2 machine guns and 2 20mm cannons

Now compare it to any destroyer

[fresh cedar]

But speed 😏

[turbid furnace]

Yeah Elco pt boat could go 27 knots

Fletcher class destroyer could go 36 knots

Only at the end of the war pt boats could have any comparable speeds to a destroyer

A pt boat had enough fuel for a 12 hour patrol

[turbid furnace]

After checking I was wrong with Elco going 27 km knots

It could go 41

[tepid oxide]

3 days till dlc

[turbid furnace]

Which is still comparable to a destroyer

[fresh cedar]

PT boats legit go like 50% faster than destroyers

That’s the whole point

[turbid furnace]

But the thing is a boat is a boat and a ship is a ship

There is no point in comparing them because in no plane of reality could a pt boat even come close to serving a role as a destroyer

[fresh cedar]

Hence it supporting destroyers with potential for spotting and extra torpedo

[turbid furnace]

Oh damn I only now understood what you meant

I thought by making it a module you meant giving this module would change the destroyer into a pt boat

And you meant it would turn the destroyer into a pt boat tender

I'm so stupid sorry

[waxen axle]

Cant listen to OST because i dont have account on spotify fml

Chak?

[turbid furnace]

https://youtu.be/Ty0WB_Q8c_o?si=XAijlYsz8EJLbxeV

[waxen axle]

Thx bro

[turbid furnace]

Np mate

[stable tusk]

Got birthday money, you already know where I'm using it

[sharp spade]

Do you think people can post pre release videos today?

[waxen axle]

For me was a friend gifted it to me as gift for my birthday

Its not just a friend but a best friend

Also do you know much cheap is in my region the expansion pass 2?

its $33.99

[fresh cedar]

Yeah! I’d want it for cruisers too

[fresh cedar]

Probably tomorrow idk

[fresh cedar]

Nah it’s all good, I wasn’t super clear about it

[waxen axle]

I wonder battotai will be inclued

included*

It would be insane if that would be preorder bonus

Because i would want it

[fresh cedar]

They didn’t do a pre-order song or like any marches. Yeah 2 songs are titled march, but are they based on historical songs? Doesn’t have the same weight as the Soviet, Polish or German ones

[waxen axle]

Damn battotai would be perfect

[zenith gorge]

@cobalt summit

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, I think they played it safe by not doing marches for China/Japan. But it’s still a solid soundtrack

Just won’t be as special as NSB’s

[turbid furnace]

There's a Polish song?

[fresh cedar]

My, Pierwsza Brygada

Not in this DLC

Past

[turbid furnace]

Which dlc added it?

I totally don't remember it

[fresh cedar]

Eastern music pack I think

Really good song, both the HOI4 instrumental and actual one with lyrics

[turbid furnace]

Yeah I know, they taught me it in school

I'll listen to the hoi 4 one

To see how it sounds

[fresh cedar]

It’s doesn’t have the same weight but is very refreshing to hear in game

[oblique bobcat]

Where

Eastern Eu?

35 euro in romania

[waxen axle]

In moldova

[wraith prawn]

I wouldn't advise preordering any paradox product honestly.
And I've been buying them since almost 10 years

[stable tusk]

Yeah I'm prob gonna wait until the release date before I actually decide whether I actually want to get the expansion

[vast shore]

I must admit

this is the best sound track

of any update

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kitty-cats-house-cat-funny-cats-headphones-gif-9316403949766380991

What does this mean 😭 😭

[thick edge]

Some warlords don’t have a generic warlord path

And just a generic path instead

[vast shore]

wait what

Who

aside from

Mengukuo

that would be actually devastating 😭

[oblique bobcat]

E frate roman

[thick edge]

Im guessingit’s explained weird

[waxen axle]

Desigur frate 🇷🇴 ❤️ 🇲🇩

[faint parrot]

any new leaks about the DLC?

[waxen axle]

nope

[faint parrot]

im lwk hyped for japan

[drifting star]

Guys they are removing burgundy from TNO 😭

[safe trail]

TNO patched all fun out the mod

[drifting star]

“It’s not realistic guys”

[safe trail]

Like kaisereich but most of the peopele play now Kaiserredux

[thick edge]

bro what

[drifting star]

The devs for mods are so anti fun it’s insane

Like when I open HOI4 mods I am not looking for the most accurate depiction in the world just for it to be reasonable and fun

[fresh cedar]

Basically warlords have different goals. Ma’s can unite, Sinkiang can align Soviets. Etc

They basically all have a similar warlord tree. It’s just that they also get extra targeted stuff

We only really know about Sinkiang and the Ma’s atm

But I think they basically have short term goals to unite parts of China before going for the main title

[vast shore]

I know that

I read all the diaries

All I wanted to know

if stuff like Shandong

or Hebei Char

both bordering japan get content

maybe with the goal of holdin out

[safe trail]

Hebai char only potrait but they shown they have noting really unique

[hushed lion]

I think shangdong does but hebei does not

[vast shore]

Hebei char is fine

but I really hope for SHandong

And Shanxi

[safe trail]

sitchuan gets somethig

[safe trail]

shanxi is one of the "big 5" i think they get content

[vast shore]

Shanxi is

Yan

[vast shore]

Shanxi and Shandong

are the interesting ones

[safe trail]

the south li Zongen gets aso Unique stuff like long yun yunnan i hope

[vast shore]

hopefully

We'll see on thursday I gues