latest-updates

[vast shore]

No shit

[safe trail]

@vast shore and you see the new manchu tree

[vast shore]

thats what I said

Hence I want my

warlord dev diary

[vast shore]

Yes

[frosty oak]

Ahhh, I see, you thinking of new ideas with these new raids that the communist are using?

[vast shore]

but I dont like Manchuria

So I dont really care

[random prawn]

I was secretly hoping for a federalist kmt china path lol

Bring back Chen jiongming ( scratch that he died before start)

[vast shore]

maybe as a wlord

warlord

[safe trail]

@random prawn maybe he is in the democratic tree

and wee dont see the focus trees for the soutern warlords

[quasi harbor]

I was about to say he ded ahahah

[random prawn]

He lives on in our hearts

[solid gyro]

I want ma Bufang to be mentioned fr

[random prawn]

Where are my Tusus

[safe trail]

they said o can bring him back

[random prawn]

Need kingdom of nangchen

[safe trail]

ma bufang is still in game

[solid gyro]

Good

If only Zhang Zongchang lived until 1937 he’d be in it 😭

[quasi harbor]

The Evilest of the Mas

[crimson tartan]

airbase assess rights, raids, factions, joint focuses, special projects
WOW

[random prawn]

Idk ma zhongying was pretty bad too

[quasi harbor]

I didn't say the others were nice people tho ahah

[safe trail]

Ma bufang was ok

[crimson tartan]

i remember i tried to make something like balance of power but using gui and variables
it was ugly and not really working and a few weeks later there was i devdiary about guess what? balance of power!

then it was arms market
i also tried to do that, but for only a few countries
and then devs added it to the game

[random prawn]

he was a serial r pist

[crimson tartan]

i think someone just stealing ideas from my mind...

[quasi harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-25206051

[random prawn]

image we got tusus, hunan and a balkanised sichuan 🤤

[broken horizon]

This looks fun to play

But whats all those black spots in tibet?

[winter tartan]

I am hoping for an interesting tree

Also, is Feng Yuxiang a clique leader or a general for KMT?

[random prawn]

lakes

[safe trail]

@winter tartan

locks like only general

[winter tartan]

So KMT

[safe trail]

yup

@winter tartan

Liu is a warlord

[vast shore]

if you ever wonder why you couldn't push because of bad supplies in china,

he ate all of china's supply

[safe trail]

is he the chritian general

christian

[winter tartan]

Yes

[safe trail]

we get two versions

one with KMT one Communist

[hushed lion]

In the video yunnan is the empire of china

[safe trail]

HOLY

this is cool

Long Yun emperor of china

good eye

[vast shore]

Good eyes you magnificent bastard!

[wise oxide]

some of yall want this

[safe trail]

is this eight years mod

[wise oxide]

yes

ammunition system is crazy

[vast shore]

Yesa

[safe trail]

yeah this is what mods for

[vast shore]

Yes because when I want to play a warlord in an mp game

I definitely find people willing to play EYWOR

[wise oxide]

the reason that one dlc dont have malaysia

[polar bronze]

mengjiang will get unit models

[hushed lion]

The colours are so ugly

[green nest]

french bulgaria vs british bulgaria

which one is worse to live in

[hushed lion]

French bulgaria simply due to it being French

[stable tusk]

Is this Eight Years? Or another mod? I haven't played Eight Years in a while so I wouldn't know if they had destroyed Malaya

[wise oxide]

it is

[stable tusk]

Ah ok, thx

[thick edge]

Ofc I do

[vast shore]

So real for that

[stable tusk]

I wonder to what degree do PDX have continuity with their game updates
Like All Under Heaven and NCNS coming out at near the same time, same with GoE and the India update for Vic3

[thick edge]

The hoi4 US update will come with ck3 USA

trust

[hollow palm]

I would love that. All I want from hoi4 is a playground similar to the holy roman empire in which you can expand by consuming plenty tiny "nations" without clashing into majors.

South America is kinda that already ig.

I also really despise Götterdämmerung for that. Why tf did they have to make it so that Romania and Yugoslavia guarantee each other. Now you can really hardly fight isolated wars in the balcans

And i hate that Argentina and Brasil join the Allies so early. This really hampers a fun progression as a smaller nation in South America as after having succeeded in being powerful enough for fighting those 2 you actually can't because you in no way will be able to fight the Allies

[stable tusk]

Romania and Yugo guarantee each other for a while before GDR and eventually they do get rid of their guarantees on historical, it's not really a GDR issue, it's an issue on how to properly represent the Little Entente

[hollow palm]

Yeah ig. The thing is after that time has passed they often end up being guaranteed by Britain or France. And generally it takes too long for my liking to be allowed to attack them.
But yeah I agree with you

[lilac vessel]

<@&846894118219022336>

[polar bronze]

Ayo?

[crimson tartan]

truly prussia of balkans

[hushed lion]

What happened?

[green nest]

wait

latest updates?

is this some new channel

i thought i was in hoi general

[hushed lion]

It has been here for ages

[hushed lion]

It isn't

[green nest]

yeah i kinda figured that part

[crimson tartan]

hallucinations and loss of connection with reality 😭

[winged barn]

they're both bulgaria

[stable tusk]

So there are two or three DD left before the release, one of them is gonna be Philippines for sure, one of them is gonna be the factions, and the last one will probably be art and achievements

[fresh cedar]

Wish other monuments were dynamic

[hushed lion]

The Philippines one is sort of pointless unless there have been major changes compared to last time

[tranquil urchin]

get better

hoi4 shouldn't be just about painting a canvas

[fresh cedar]

It was shown so early on doubt it’s the same

[hollow lion]

Is that even realistic?

[steel kite]

I feel harassed

[sharp spade]

probably showing modifiers and anything that changed

[vast shore]

whichever the autism is swinging currently towards

[winter tartan]

Kashgar world conquest

[stable tusk]

According to Wikipedia (I know I know... the best source) yeah

[drifting star]

Chinese empire and empire of China hmm

[fresh cedar]

They still could show off the faction rework, smaller changes like states, as well as coal and energy

[quiet verge]

A Feng Yuxiang's path for China would've been nice

[winter tartan]

Agree

We don't know yet about the post unification content for the warlords. We may have a chance to get something for him, although not too much

[crisp nymph]

HI

OMG ITS ME FROM SPARTA

i love your videos

[green nest]

no way

people recognise me

[coral drift]

We already have state modifier mechanic.
Use that

[solid gyro]

You know, a dlc called “The Forgotten nations” with Tibet, Mongolia and Ireland would be interesting

[fading walrus]

Not the first time I heard this idea pitched

[neon dagger]

What is this puppet Japan has in china going to be? Any word yet? hopefully not a reichkommisariet situation

[stable tusk]

I wonder what happens if Wang Jingwei is in charge of the ROC proper
Also if you didn't know already that is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_regime

[hollow coral]

No one is buying that lets be honest

[solid gyro]

neither no one the Czechoslovakia tree

[hollow coral]

Whataboutism

[polar jasper]

I bought it via expansion pass

Get your argument invalidated

[solid gyro]

I haven't sadly

[polar jasper]

You know, probably a good thing

I make videos, so i need to latest dlc and such

[harsh hull]

It depends on what the individual price for the Czech rework is

I'm all for single-nation DLC, but I don't think I'd pay $10+ for every individual nation

[waxen axle]

Do you think australia have potential?

[hollow coral]

lets look at the potential

2 major democratic parties were the united australia and labor party

the dissolved centre party and paramilitary "new guard"

modelled themselves after italian fascism

the australia communist party was gaining traction and had influence in trade unions

[waxen axle]

I wonder you will be able to make a super power out of it?

[stuck smelt]

hey devs, is the navy rework coming in this update or will it be later

like with the new naval dominance mechanic and islands

[vast shore]

I would

I feel like a lot of people would

Mongolia alone

[waxen axle]

This update

[waxen axle]

I would too

[hollow coral]

Nevertheless 2 out of the three are relatively insignificant

[stuck smelt]

Historically or realistically?Absolutely not
But in a paradox alt hist path anything is possible

[waxen axle]

Lets assume both

Or it will be a meh power

[vast shore]

thats neat

[crimson tartan]

hoi4 is cooked!

it isno longer the most popular title

😭

hoi4 gonna be abandoned

[random prawn]

"hoi4 is cooked" bruh

Hmmmmm I wonder why ck3 might be really popular atm

Who knows

[thick edge]

The west has fallen

[vast shore]

Millions must play Crusaders Kings

Billions even!

[stuck smelt]

@pseudo wing @soft swallow could someone clarify this? I couldn’t tell from reading the dev diaries

(sorry for the ping)

[brittle venture]

Dont ping mods / developers / community team over this

But yes navy rework will come with the update

[stuck smelt]

yes okay sorry I won’t do it again

[vast shore]

Im going to ping all of them if they wont explain how they changed border conflicts in details

[crimson tartan]

how they what?

[cobalt sage]

does anyone know if the blue shirts in the nationalist china path will be fascist or a different flavour of non aligned?

[hollow coral]

Fascist

[cobalt sage]

is that confirmed or just an assumption?

[hollow coral]

I highly assume

[cobalt sage]

I thought they'd rework Japan puppet path to be defacto fascist

[hollow coral]

They were inspired by italian and german fascism

And were very ultranationalist

[cobalt sage]

but they were pro Chang Kai

[hollow coral]

They are not mutually exclusive

[cobalt sage]

true I guess

[hollow coral]

Becoming a japanese puppet is just kind of boring imo

They did say if japan creates the reorganised government it would have a unique tree

Somewhere in the dev reply

[cobalt sage]

I see

thank you

I'm still waiting for them to add a feature that allows you to peace out of colonial wars as a minor

I don't want to be fighting the allies all game just because I wanted Belize 🙏

[hollow coral]

They should rework the focuses that give you a wargoal to just take 1 or 2 states

So if you conquer them you can whitepeace

[cobalt sage]

I was thinking adding a casualty threshold or a time limit

like kill 500k British and they give up

I'm pretty sure something similar is in mughal path for india

or soviet finn war

[hollow coral]

It like a time limit of how much you can conquer

[cobalt sage]

yeah

[hollow coral]

Thats also works

[cobalt sage]

or if they can't secure a major enough VP their war support plummets and the conditionsl surrender option opens up and you're only allowed to take a certain state or 2

just port over the vic2 mechanic of

minor wars are easy to peace out of

major wars (world wars) are impossible to peace out or very difficult

would make the conditional surrender button work

imo

[crimson tartan]

NAVY HEADQUARTERS CONFIRMED!!!
OFFICIALLY!❗ 🥵

and still air is the most forgotten thing in hoi4

[sturdy coral]

Does anyone else feel the same way about the lack of content updates for the Republic of China arc? I think the development team should add more content.

[hollow coral]

Its a very full political tree

They have a larger goal to all work towards

But i wouldnt say you should be doing the political tree all game

I think they intended for the industrial and army branches to be worked through during the early stages since war is looming

[fresh cedar]

9:00 am est stream oof

[fresh cedar]

Wdym? What am I looking at that’s new?

[fresh cedar]

Oh yeah isn’t that just recruiting admirals from ship captains?

Thought you meant there was like an on map mention of HQ’s

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[crimson tartan]

i thought ship captains to be added with Thunder at our Gates

[vast shore]

You better relay that to the dev diary writers

😉

[pseudo wing]

the second you do that is the time you get muted and receive the role of shame

im crazy, I'll do it

[crimson tartan]

i'm already there you can start actually

🤓

you guys still streaming in 1080 😭 💔

[wise oxide]

where stream

[crimson tartan]

ayo ❤️‍🔥

[safe trail]

they said in stream as warlord you can form the Empire of China

[vast shore]

I am crazy and without shame

@crimson tartan Can you ask for them to show us: Post Warlord content (Warlord focus after they become China) and How they exactly reworked border skirmished

Im black now!

Hooray

Can I keep it

Pretty please

[pseudo wing]

no, you got it for the next minute

[vast shore]

Lame

[vast shore]

@pseudo wing Can you ask this

from the devs

Im in a lecture

[pseudo wing]

I only give out the super special useless role for people who make a funny enough joke, and even then its only for 24h

[pseudo wing]

im pretty sure they're going to go over that already, just not right this second

[vast shore]

Someone ask at the end!

[vast shore]

Im funny 24/7

[brittle venture]

No

[vast shore]

Questions I need answered

1. Warlord Content when unifying
2. Does Mengjiang have a warlord focus tree
3. Reorganized China, can a player play it, does it have a focus tree
4. How exactly have the border skirmishes changed

[crimson tartan]

they said they will show a bit of warlord content

i'll ask em

i will try at least

[vast shore]

🫡

[crimson tartan]

as far as i can tell
warlords can unite the china and form chinese empire
and mengjiang got generic focus tree

[coral drift]

Bruv, i wanted to ask about Wang Jingwei and got extended timeout.

Already waiting for 2 minutes

They extended the slow mode for 5 mins?

[crimson tartan]

there are many questions about collab china
they don't want to answer it 😭 🥀

[coral drift]

Bruv

The Vichy tree opened a can of worms for collab government contents

[safe trail]

warlods too

[crimson tartan]

huh

[vast shore]

Peak

[vast shore]

that's somewhat lame

[crimson tartan]

and yeah

warlords can do this

[vast shore]

Okay nvm

thats based

[vast shore]

Wait

[safe trail]

they get the old china tree with a empire path

[vast shore]

OH

THATS PEAK

[safe trail]

has somewhone a shreenshot

[random prawn]

Guominjun?? Zhili Army?? Fengtian Army?? Beiyang Government?? Warlord bros we are so back

[vast shore]

Is this the warlord thing

[safe trail]

yes

[crimson tartan]

daaaamn bro

[vast shore]

It so peak

[safe trail]

they get aso mandschuria stuff

iam so hyped

[fresh cedar]

Warlord buffs lowkey should be better. Like higher attrition and supply buffs

[drifting star]

This is peak minus meijang

That is shut

[safe trail]

Peak Warlords content

[drifting star]

100%

[vast shore]

Did they talk about the reorganized gov and the border conflicts?

[crimson tartan]

they showed border war between communists and ma cluques

and said that border wars were improved a bit

well i didn't get how it was improved but ok

[tired scaffold]

So:

Warlords with unique sub-branches

Sinkiang
Khotan Ma
Qinghai Ma
Gansu Ma
Ningxia Ma
Northeastern Army
Sichuan Cilique

Warlords without unique sub-brances

Hebei-Chahar Political Council

Unknown

Shangdong Clique
Guangdong Clique
Guangxi Clique
Yunnan
Shanxi

[safe trail]

@tired scaffold Yunnan Guangxi Clique Shanxi
will safe have Content

[drifting star]

A state called north eastern army is peak

Actual military state

[tired scaffold]

Was that confirmed somewhere?

[drifting star]

What’s the formable the army gets ?

[safe trail]

no sorry i think they have safe content

[drifting star]

?

Safe ?

[safe trail]

they getting content i think

they are to important to left out

[crimson tartan]

Sichuan Cilique? 🧐

[rocky oasis]

Historical path of inviting Chiang for a totally normal military inspection in Xi’an vs. bringing back the Fengtian Clique and reclaiming Manchuria.

[tired scaffold]

I think Guangdong and Guangxi are interesting as they had a lot going on at the time like the anarchist movement there

Shanxi, Yunnan and Shangdong might be kind of boring though

[rocky oasis]

Hate to break the news, but the content for the warlord states is focused around the warlords.

[tired scaffold]

I just used it as an example for how there should be some unique flavour to add to them

[rocky oasis]

Ok

[fresh cedar]

Warlords got more content than I thought

Unique spirits, some get unique goals of unifying with other warlords. Sinkiang has a lot of stuff, xebei can unify. And they all can even pursue grander goals on China with some declaring themselves emperor

[sharp spade]

I do like how how Zhang Xueliang can take back Manchuria

[safe trail]

border a bit reogenaside goverment you see have somsorte of a tree but they said nothing exept they have flavour

[safe trail]

@vast shore

[drifting star]

Wonder if Saudi gets a general if the ma is sent to haj ?

[safe trail]

that would be cool

[tender dust]

Seems Japan will release reorganized national government during the war with China….but what if china chooses Wang instead of Chiang? Who will be the new leader for reorganized?

[drifting star]

Can someone ask on the forums to show the great mongolia formable ?

Or maybe more of the decision

[burnt sail]

The warlords look great icl

What a pleasant surprise

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[hollow coral]

I imagine that focus wouldnt be available

Or they get to choose from a variety of leaders

Cant say anything for the left plush

For the right plush it looks like its wearing some sort of stalheim?

Kmt platypus maybe

[hollow lion]

Where were these announced? 😮

[safe trail]

the other could be a Communis soliders

[polar bronze]

Def

[stable tusk]

I'd imagine one of them os Japan themed and the other is China themed

[polar bronze]

Left is probably commie

Since it has a field cap

I cant imagine pdx releasing imperial japan merch

[stable tusk]

True, since for GDR they did a Kaiser Platypus instead of historical Germany for, very very obvious reasons

[drifting star]

Broth are prolly China since we all know who would get upset

[fresh cedar]

Yeah bro it’s KMT Stahlhelm right, Communist Chinese left, Emperor middle

[stable tusk]

Puyi gets turned into a keychain

[fresh cedar]

These are most likely the plushies

This is a hoodie from the brand. So who knows what will be on it

[drifting star]

Chinese drip goes so hard

Good lord straight ice

Also what do yall think the hidden emperor is ?

During the stream they imply that there is someone we should figure out who the emperor is

[polar bronze]

Prince Demchugdongrub

[drifting star]

That would be insane

Lmao they adding yuan with extra steps

[hollow coral]

instagram

[hollow coral]

whats the context

like in the empire of china path?

[stable tusk]

In the live stream they looked at the Empire of China path and said that somebody can take over

[hollow coral]

could be a choice between the warlord and yuan keding

son of yuan shikai

the japanese asked him to join them

[fresh cedar]

Apparently many warlords can try to become the emperor

So imagine any of them could be

[drifting star]

Yea but they said “ I’ll let you all wonder who that is “ which implies that there is some other individual ….

[quick pebble]

i remember one time playing with friend 1v1

he killed my recon car after i just spam grunts

he tried to spawn heavy tanks to actually do something

but howitzers just destroyed anything

[sturdy coral]

I compared the force tree of the Chinese Soviet Republic, the Republic of China, and the Japanese Empire, and I personally think the Republic of China has the least amount of content.

[winter tartan]

I agree that it feels very overlooked

yes, it triples the content currently in game, but the standard was very low

I suppose the team wasn't as enthusiastic about kmt as it was with the CCP or the japanese

[winter tartan]

I think the industrial and political focuses should be done separately

like, this may be Hoi4's most unpopular take ever, but it doesn't make sense that you have to choose between two completely unrelated things as Remilitarising the rheinland or choose to go with panzers as germany, for example. There is no reason why both wouldn't be done at the same time

I think there should be two focus tree slots, but you are not able to do two focuses of the same branch at the same time (not two economic, political or military focuses at the same time)

It could be an interesting idea for hoi5

it also allows for more deep focus trees

[broken horizon]

Will the Great wall of china be like switerland mounten range where only from a few points u can cross it?

[winter tartan]

Probably not, surely a tank can easily blow up a passage through it?

[broken horizon]

In the video u can see the wall and it has a few points where it is destroyed

I mean it would make invading those regions kinda harder and i like that

[quiet verge]

Will Japan be able to form a puppet Hui state?

Akin to a Muslim Mengjiang

[severe canyon]

ALL HAIL THE JIN DYNASTY. DOWN WITH THE HAN. EVERLASTING MANCHU RULE.

[wise oxide]

NZ and malaysia should atleast get paraguay/uruguay sized trees dont know why they left them out

if they get spirits and events i will be happy

[fresh cedar]

Maybe for a different dynasty? Idk

[sharp spade]

I would’ve thought the Middle Kingdom focus for blueshirt china would’ve made the empire but oh well

[drifting star]

Prolly does

[fresh cedar]

We don’t really know do we?

[sharp spade]

Fair

I’m excited for this dlc since I like playing in Asia

[hollow coral]

Middle kingdom is just a literal translation of china in mandarin

[vast shore]

Same

I love Warlords

[misty portal]

Nah keep Malaya default tree so I can get gun 3 in 39

[sturdy coral]

While I hope they'll add new content about the Republic of China before the official launch, I feel it's almost impossible.

[coral drift]

How's Aksai and Arunachal in the current Beta?

The British occupied them only in 1944 and 1943 respectively.

[hollow coral]

something like this right?

[coral drift]

Mhm
And like this in the province map

[hollow coral]

they should probably fix the mongol china border too

[brittle venture]

Its such a mess with like no population

[hollow coral]

?

[brittle venture]

The mongol border

Ologey might be an actual concern? But the rest even though it was disputed would have little to no game impact

Imo

[hollow coral]

it still should be more accurate

[wise oxide]

what countries need new trees the most

usa,uk,france,romania,

we need urban war rework dlc oh yes more tiles and better mechanics + resistance rebalance

[fresh cedar]

Tbh would like Peru, Ireland, Egypt and Liberia

[wise oxide]

important nations not side characters

[fresh cedar]

Egypt was important lol

[wise oxide]

yes but annexed by uk

and kinda neutral

[fresh cedar]

You sure it was annexed?

If it was annexed, how would it be neutral 😏

[wise oxide]

somewhere in 1937 if i remember right

[wise oxide]

idk it was a mess

[fresh cedar]

If annexed, then it would directly be UK and be in the war

[wise oxide]

Egypt was officially neutral during most of World War II but served as a major strategic base for the Allies due to the British presence and the Anglo-Egyptian treaty of 1936.

[fresh cedar]

All Italy had to do was win El Alamein and it wouldn’t have been neutral

[wise oxide]

the British stationed troops in Egypt to protect the Suez Canal

[wise oxide]

yes egypt just didint want to get in the war and let them fight in useless sand but if they reached some cities egypt would be all in

though it was legally a kingdom and officially independent since 1922. However, Britain retained significant control through the 1936 Anglo-Egyptian Treaty, which allowed British troops to be stationed there, particularly to guard the Suez Canal, giving the UK a high degree of influence and de facto power

this is interesting

defacto colony. and neutral but battles where fought on its land

[thick edge]

So like that bug Ingame where u get attacked from neutral territory

[fresh cedar]

Hate that bug so much.

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m saying, could be interesting. Though for the sake of the game would just have to be in the war

[thick edge]

It’s not a bug it historically accurate now!

[misty portal]

No

[fresh cedar]

It’s an opinion 😂

[misty portal]

No

[winter tartan]

Out of already reworked nations, Spain is easily on Romania's level

It is terrible

[fresh cedar]

Really? I really like atleast half of the Spanish trees. Anarchism is unique, Spanish Empire has a really cool end goal, and Carlism gets really strong buffs for fighting and compliance

Balkans in general need the rework

[winter tartan]

Spanish tree has some things that are shiny, but are very shallow

Non-CNT republican Spain is dreadful

You become a Soviet puppet or just do nothing until you get obliterated by Germany

It also has a severe lack of flavour or even historical accuracy, with Azaña being depicted as the PSOE leader (with it being the governing party in 1936, which isn't true)

You also get no content for post-civil war. They had no clue of what Spain should be doing apart from fighting the allies/axis/soviets

[fresh cedar]

Yeah like half need to be reworked for sure

[fresh cedar]

Basically every pre-NSB tree and arguably beyond

[winter tartan]

Chile can get four different democratic parties in power, but Spain is stuck with Azaña (as leader of PSOE) until the end of times

[fresh cedar]

It seems like they’re only started making democratic nations interesting as of recently tbh

[winter tartan]

Indeed, I am just pointing how bad Spain is, considering the gameplay mostly ends by 1939 rather than 1942

[fresh cedar]

Apart from the 3 I mentioned, yeah the others are pretty rough.

[winter tartan]

CNT is special, has an interesting premise, but the execution is a bit of a pain, because you get 150 pp decisions and require 50% compliance (to be achieved with 0% stability) in every single individual state

[fresh cedar]

Wish Anarchism was its kwn political category with unique occcupation laws

[winter tartan]

Which compared to more recent focus trees, it doesn't feel right

[fresh cedar]

Or 50pp if adjacent to a core right?

[winter tartan]

I think not, but no idea

[fresh cedar]

I think it was reworked to be 150 if it doesn’t touch a core. But 50 pp per core. Tbh should be 100 for non core and 25 for core, with no daily political power loss while annexing territory. Also with a unique occupation law that boosts compliance

[winter tartan]

As for the Nationalists, Phallanxist Spain has some interesting ideas, but part of what makes it interesting was actually a revision made fairly recently, like the Spanish empire formable or getting cores in Portugal

[fresh cedar]

Yeah tbh the revision made it extremely fun especially with the end goal

I believe the daily compliance gain and Habsburg leader are new for Carlist too

[winter tartan]

It really should be touched up a bit more with the central American puppets thing, because annexing them is a pain that requires 300 pp, if they haven't touched it

[spring wagon]

O multijogador é o oposto da melhor parte. 😂 Sempre foi só lixo meta. Além disso, você deve aproveitar a atualização, pois ela reorganizará o meta para que você possa explorar os desinformados por um tempo.

[winter tartan]

Carlist Spain has nice buffs and can serve for a good larp (I am from Navarra, I love that), but it lacks an endgame goal, and should get something you could do as an endgame goal

[fresh cedar]

Yeah tbh Spain just needs reworks not entire new trees. Just extra flavor for the remaining trees

[winter tartan]

You can't even get cores in France despite France being able to do it inversely

[fresh cedar]

For me the end game with it is just forming Iberia by puppeting Portugal and doing the focus, then using your insane compliance gain to collab Europe

.05 daily compliance is really strong

Reminds me of early HOI4 where you made your own goals

[winter tartan]

And then Franco is historically accurate in doing nothing, but not fun at all. It could be a mini game like the Dutch one to get Franco on your side.

Like it happened in real life, when the Brits and the Germans were bribing different generals into supporting them politically in WW2

Ireland in Kaiserreich is a great implementation of something similar

[fresh cedar]

Think Republican should have some like EU path or Confederation of Latin States formable which is Italy, Iberia and France combined

Since democracies are going into the mega country direction

Hell communist could get the same

But I agree many countries can use end goals

[winter tartan]

I would be happy with republican Spain getting a good effort into historical research

[fresh cedar]

And Netherlands too in vanilla

[winter tartan]

I would play as an Indalecio Prieto moderate PSOE

[fresh cedar]

They definitely need like 2-4 democracy options

Doesn’t the new Japan get like 6-8?

[winter tartan]

They do get a lot of leaders

I am not sure Spain could get that many, considering a lot of the Spanish democratic politicians died

[fresh cedar]

Should have like a pro allied path, and a build your own faction path

[winter tartan]

Just imagine the possibility of, as Britain, getting Spain and Portugal in your side by influencing the generals and economic aid

Portugal and Spain historically agreed on an alliance so in case one entered the war, the other would too in the same side

[fresh cedar]

Yeah that would be really cool

Communist Spain has a ton of potential too

[winter tartan]

Germany could do the hiring Spanish workers thing they did historically while half their country was elsewhere, and Britain send economic assistance and donating food like they did

[winter tartan]

It could be a different kind of gameplay, like Socialist Ukraine in Kaiserreich

Basically Germany invades you after the fall of France and you can't join the soviets until Germany breaks Molotov-Ribentropp

[fresh cedar]

Yeah should really be more about influence. But idk if that would remove agency from Spain itself. Like if I was a player and the AI buffed my enemy it would be pretty annoying

[winter tartan]

AI does a part but you choose who you can influence and who not to

[fresh cedar]

Hell could even have Spain maybe take Vichy territory in North Africa

[winter tartan]

You can require some influence on either side to get access to some rewards, and you have to equilibrate them

[winter tartan]

It could be interesting for Democratic Spain

Spain joining the allies in exchange for Morocco

[fresh cedar]

I really like the one formable for communist Germany

[winter tartan]

And economic support

[fresh cedar]

Wish communist Italy, France and Spain had something similar

[fresh cedar]

That would be cool and actually make sense

[winter tartan]

Franco did ask for Vichy territory to Hitler in their meeting in Hendaia

And, if the Portuguese are neutral and haven't signed the Iberian pact, they could enter in exchange for Rhodesia for them to be able to fulfill their Mapa Cor de Rosa

[stable tusk]

Greater German Proletariat State
Cores the UK, France, and the Benelux but not Austria or Switzerland
What did Paradox mean by this?

[fresh cedar]

Think it focused more on nations with large industries

[quiet verge]

If China gets puppeted by Japan, will they get a puppet tree or will Wang Jingwei's path get unlocked?

Also have the Federalists been merged into CDL? Or will they have a unifier path in Guangdong?

[hollow coral]

the goal isnt to defeat china and puppet it

its to establish the reorganised government while fighting the roc and defeating it

there might not be a peace conference option

[hollow coral]

i think they intended for the cdl to be the all incompassing party

which i personally think is kind of weird

like really these are the candidates?

only carsun chang was part of the cdl and he wasnt even the chairperson

better candidates wouldve been people like Sun fo who was a liberal

[quiet verge]

Sun Fo was in KMT wasn't he?

[hollow coral]

yep

[quiet verge]

I meant will the Reorganized govt have a focus tree? Or will it load Jingwei's one?

[quiet verge]

Understandable

[hollow coral]

idk if it will also have the original roc path too

[quiet verge]

Original path ends with war against Japan (and others) doesn't it?

So prob not

[hollow coral]

people that couldve been kuomintang democratic candidates are
.Sun fo
son of sun yat senconsidered a liberal
.Soong Ching Ling
Widow of sun yat sen and adhered to sun yat sens principals
Chen Mingshu
Former Premier and later part of the social democratic party of china

[quiet verge]

China needed a Triads path

[hollow coral]

Carsun chang also works fine

[quiet verge]

Take over USA through Opium Trade in the East Coast

[hollow coral]

lmao

[hollow coral]

idk seems like another east india path

[quiet verge]

That was intended........

[quiet verge]

Yeah it had the sole purpose of overthrowing the Qing dynasty

[hollow coral]

the triads did sometimes work with the kmt

there is a focus to work with the green gang

[quiet verge]

Wonder how it will affect Shanghai

I am guessing they will start as a demilitarised zone

And will be a releasable probably

[hollow coral]

They showed shanghai wasnt demilitarised in the live

And why would there be a releasable

[quiet verge]

They added so many releasable it won't be surprising if Shanghai becomes one too

Shanghai nationalism is a thing

[hollow coral]

Respectfully have to disagree

There wasnt any idea of creating an independent shanghai state

Yes there is a shanghainese language

But not a succession movement

It wasnt an independent clique either but tightly controlled by nanjing

[quiet verge]

Well Shanghai international settlement existed

I wouldn't say it was tightly controlled by Nanjing

[hollow coral]

The one slither of land

[nimble torrent]

Any clue what's gonna be in the next DD?

[vast shore]

Phillipines

[stuck smelt]

Does anyone else feel kinda underwhelmed by the historical Japan content

[brittle venture]

Its already overwhelming to play rn... Have to do so many things

[stuck smelt]

Have you played the dev build?

[brittle venture]

No

I mean vanilla

Its already overwhelmingly much if you wanna play well

Its very fine to not be too flashy or overwhelming for the focus tree when the main focus should be the gameplay anyway

And japan has a lot to do

Clicking decisions the right time, doing correct researches while doing collabs and spies on china so you have 100% compliance ASAP and can cap them earlier

Then you have to swap your entire nation to air production, excav, trading

Then you can send volunteers to axis if you want, send air to help against france/uk thats an option

Then you have to also prepare your refits in time for your ships

And then as soon as the refits are all done you declare war

Like its already a lot to constantly do i dont personally see why youd need a flashy click constantly focus tree on top of that

[stuck smelt]

True true Japan has always had peak gameplay.

From the dev diaries I got the impression that the focus tree was similar to germanys with less political stuff to do during actual wartime w the allies

I just really hope they add more flavour with events and stuff when fighting the US

And they won’t add it this update but I really hope there’s eventually a peace out mechanic so you don’t have to walk to dc

[hollow coral]

What part of it is underwhelming on your perspective?

[stuck smelt]

Feels to similar to Germany. Which isn’t a bad thing in itself. But I really hoped for more stuff to do with fighting the allies

Still gonna play it a million times

[wise oxide]

best mod to balance usa and late game. this is usa in 1938

[sharp spade]

I’m gonna assume after the Philippines they’re gonna explain factions

[quasi harbor]

They should make it so you can actually destroy factories after air raids

[polar jasper]

But you can both attack the Allies and Soviets

Unlike the current one where you need to manually justify against them

Also more flavor

[polar jasper]

Strat bombing is already pretty strong when used properly

[polar bronze]

Whats the next dev diary about?

[twilit jolt]

prob Philippines

they covered everyone else

[polar bronze]

Oh I forgot about them

Lol

[coral drift]

Tbh i expected the devs to cover Nat China last and instead doing a feature stream about faction rework last Tuesday...

[misty portal]

That's really stupid

[misty portal]

?

[wise oxide]

mod that is trying to balance snowballing with economy

lets hope coal will do that better

[misty portal]

?

[misty portal]

No it's stupid

Coal is stupid

[wise oxide]

why

coal is peak and love and huge part of ww2

[misty portal]

Italy just stays on partial and free trade & exports coal to everyone on axis and everyone else just stays on total

Coal just makes the game more annoying

[wise oxide]

cry about it we dont know yet it might save the game

[misty portal]

Also USA doesn't need a nerf, gets like 300 mils with no cap while germany for some reason gets 400 mils with insane cap and the best mios

[wise oxide]

its just so weird to play when you have infinite factories its too easy in sp

[misty portal]

That's an ai problem

Not an eco problem

[wise oxide]

but of usa ai will suck if nerfed

[misty portal]

What do you consider infinite factories

[misty portal]

"Save the game"

What problem does coal solve lol

[wise oxide]

civ greed with zero risk only 100% benefit and snowballing without having to buy anything

[misty portal]

Civ greed has 0 risk because the ai is bad

Just fix the ai

Also it doesn't benefit you

Always better to build mils

[wise oxide]

easier said then done

[broken horizon]

will now all countrys in china region get a new focus tree or will Machuria still have defualt one?(sry if i said incorrect name forgot the name)

[misty portal]

They will

[wise oxide]

they got 10-20 new focuses

manchu

[broken horizon]

lets goooo

i hope the two warlords near japan territory will get a focus tree where they can go and become japan puppet

[misty portal]

Also even if coal gets introduced sp will still be easy

If you want sp to be hard you just have to make the ai good

[wise oxide]

i think thats how it is not sure tho

bc they are litterally in the right place too. also reorganized goverment of china is confirmed during the war

[broken horizon]

i like to play iron mode always and this new focus trees for them all i hope ill get crazy shit

[oblique bobcat]

When paradox will fix that bug that does not allow millennium dawn to launch nukes from subs?

[hollow lion]

Nobody knows

[hollow lion]

Shanxi and the other one?

[broken horizon]

the new ones

the two next to that small territory japans had next to its 2 puppets

[oblique bobcat]

but at least it is planned to be fix ?

[vast shore]

No

Smh

the Shandong clique

and

Hebei Char

[hollow lion]

Ah makes sense

Shandong doesnt have a land border with them though, does it?

[wise oxide]

these?

[wise oxide]

these 2 merge to become the provisional gov and later the reformed gov annexes it. i wonder how paradox will implement it

[vast shore]

context and stuff

[hushed lion]

I think paradox is just going to do the reorganised government of China

[polar bronze]

Wait what releasables did they add?

[hollow coral]

East timor

And ryukyu

[hushed lion]

Kumul is presumably also one i don't think they are a generic tag

[hollow coral]

Dont think so

[polar bronze]

Oh yeah didnt they breakout in one of the streams? They will have a khanate

[hushed lion]

Yes

[hollow coral]

They ahould probably change it to just kumul though

[polar bronze]

Pretty sweet actually

[hushed lion]

I think they were already called just kumul

[polar bronze]

Kumul Khanate

Or Khanate of Kumul

[hushed lion]

Speaking of name changes they need to rename China to republic of China

[hollow coral]

The khanate part is unnecessary

The khanate was already destabilished

[polar bronze]

Were bringing it back the baron way

[hollow coral]

In 1937 yulbars set up his base in the former kumul lands

During the xinjiang wars

[polar bronze]

Im sure the khanate is focus relevant and itll be normal kumul as a releaseable

[hollow coral]

The names of the cliques are very inconsistent

Some have clique in the name

Some dont

[polar bronze]

Should clique be removed or added?

[hushed lion]

Also they need to be streamlined

[hollow coral]

Depends

[hushed lion]

I'm in support of long official titles

[hollow coral]

The original cliques should all have cliques

[hollow coral]

Official names are the way to go

[polar bronze]

Reorganized Government of the Republic of China

[hollow coral]

Shandong wasnt actually a fully fledged clique more like a glorified province

[hushed lion]

I hate how the union of soviet socialist republics is called soviet union

[hollow coral]

Khotan ma should be renamed to “new 36th Division”

[hollow coral]

I just modded that out

[hushed lion]

The short name doesn't even look good on the map

Basest warlord

[hoary siren]

I see no issue

[hushed lion]

You are blind then

[hoary siren]

No, it just doesn’t matter

[hushed lion]

Does anything really matter for that matter?

What is matter

Does anything ever happen matter?

[hollow coral]

its easily moddable

[hoary siren]

The states of matter

[hollow coral]

so if it is really bothersome its easily fixed

[hushed lion]

Yes but why should modders need to undo the developers sloppy decisions

[hoary siren]

I mean, it is the Soviet Union though

[hushed lion]

Except no that isn't the title of the country

[hollow coral]

but it is the colloquial term

[hoary siren]

So, they they should call the United States the United States of America instead?

[polar jasper]

The French Third Republic

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

[hushed lion]

Yes that would work

[hollow coral]

kingdom of sweden

kingdom of italy
Second Spanish republic

[hushed lion]

Instead of flip flopping around weather giving a country it's proper name or some shorthand slop

[polar jasper]

The United States of America consisting of its 46 states and 4 commonwealths

[hollow coral]

hell spanish state is called nationalist spain

but issues that are easily fixed are not issues

[hoary siren]

Except that majority of people know USSR as the Soviet Union

[hushed lion]

Spanish state would be a much better name but no we must call it nationalist Spain for the sake of the slop

[polar jasper]

Replace names with tags

USA
SOV
ENG
SPR
SPN

[hollow coral]

nihilist point of view

[hushed lion]

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

[hoary siren]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[hushed lion]

The shorter the name the worse it is

[hoary siren]

Soviet Union makes sense because that’s what everyone calls it

[hushed lion]

Calling something by whatever anyone calls it is stupid, also having the short name looks bad on a map

[hoary siren]

Again, there no issue with it

[polar jasper]

Me when I read 2 font text

Ah yes

Line

I can read that

[hushed lion]

Honestly get rid of the soviet and put council there instead I don't understand why people don't just translate the word

[polar jasper]

Grand Duchy of Luxembourg

I can read that on its 2 tile state

[hushed lion]

Give Austria Hungary the full imperial title of Franz Joseph

[polar jasper]

Isnt Austria Hungary technically either the Austrian Empire or the Habsburg Empire

[hushed lion]

Get rid of the unhistorical Austria Hungary flag

[hushed lion]

Honestly when do you ever need to read Luxembourg's name?

[hoary siren]

Same amount I want to read the Soviets

[hushed lion]

There is a difference between tiny Luxembourg and the worlds largest country

[hoary siren]

Equally same to me ngl

[hollow coral]

nothing burger discussion

[hoary siren]

Exactly

[hushed lion]

Real

But also why are we even debating weather this should happen or not, the answer is automatically yes for my opinion is gospel

[polar jasper]

I dont

Im just saying the official titles arent needed

[hushed lion]

And there is also no need for them to not be there

[polar jasper]

True

But it makes the events wordy

[hollow coral]

if you want to standardise the map its either official titles or colloquial

[polar jasper]

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has announced that the cowardly Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have..."

[hushed lion]

Colloquial is slop bring out the full titles

[hoary siren]

I like Jonathan’s idea earlier, just go by their tags

[polar jasper]

That's the capitulate event i believe

[hoary siren]

Useless

[hushed lion]

Remove names all together

[polar jasper]

Just flags

[hollow coral]

personally for long lengthy titles like the ussr, uk and usa just leave it as the DEF

[hushed lion]

Hoi4 will operate fully by flagmap

[quiet verge]

Wonder if they added Shandong just because Zhang Zongchang used to be a warlord of it

[hushed lion]

Sounds amazing

[hollow coral]

it did have a higher degree of autonomy

or maybe something with han fuju

[uncut shoal]

does having a collab in the ussr disable the "this is going to be lit" achievement

because i conquered all my neighbors and didnt get the damn achievement

[hollow coral]

does the ussr hold any of your neighbors capitals?

[uncut shoal]

uhh... I hold the ussr.

[hollow coral]

but you yourself have to control it not the ussr

if the collab does hold any of the capitals

berlin, warsaw and riga

[uncut shoal]

I had a collaboration goverment to capitulate them faster, After the war i made a collab puppet and knocked germany and annexed the soviets. And yes i do control riga and warsaw since i was poland lithuania

i wasted so long on this bro

[gentle thistle]

Is there any plans to rework Australia's focus tree along with China and Japan

[polar jasper]

DLC after this one I believe

You even get military HQs

[stable tusk]

Australia, Siam, and Indonesia (and more... maybe idk the Steam page implied more) will be updated in the update after this one releasing Q2 of next year

[gentle thistle]

I saw they added new ship models

for Australia

[drifting star]

Oh boy tomorrow is when the greatest game in paradox’s catalogue EU5 comes out

[polar jasper]

1 if you got the expansion pass

And it is for all Commonwealth nations

[vast shore]

Has the guy who's name I forgot again, posted a leak today?

Char or Chak

[thick edge]

Chalk

[vast shore]

Delicious

But Im sure it were 4 letters

Ah its chak

[fresh cedar]

Char may post a leak but doesn’t seem like he has yet

[pseudo wing]

I've never in my life posted a leak

[hushed lion]

Rather a teaser is the correct term

[inland bloom]

So evil

[pseudo wing]

Always have been

[pseudo wing]

I have never leaked anything, but I'd also would like to mention that you cannot post mister current politician man even in joking form

[vast shore]

1984

You see

Ever heard of

Seperating the Art from the Artist?

[pseudo wing]

irrelevant when not concerning an artist

[vast shore]

I seperate the Meme from the Meme maker!

[vast shore]

Memes are art

[pseudo wing]

unless its actually a written/drawn/animated piece I highly disagree

that doesnt make them unfunny

[vast shore]

Whats the point of art? Expressing yourself, expressing something !

Memes do that

Hence, memes are art!

[pseudo wing]

Expression comes in many form, of which yes art is one of them, and memes another. There is of course overlap, but the overlap is irrelevant when Rule 2 is currently in place ;)

[vast shore]

lame

I demand compensation

in form of a leak

or call it a teaser

[pseudo wing]

I dont fulfill demands, unfortunately for you

[vast shore]

Its fine

I do not care about the philippines anyway

Only about stuff relating to China

[tepid oxide]

17 days till dlc

[steep nest]

[coral drift]

I wish HoI4 can copy EUV's province tiling on Southeast Asia

Java and Kalimantan has good granularity
Sumatra and Moluccas has a bit too much

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-your-hate-has-made-you-powerful-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-gif-15799521

[drifting star]

Teaser ?

[safe trail]

Teaser?

[vast shore]

Teaser?!

[thick edge]

Taser Taser?

[broken horizon]

Aser?

[inland bloom]

Chak you know what they want 😥

[drifting star]

Chak is teasing us

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[inland bloom]

The devil saw it 🤯

[polar bronze]

What if secret emperor is macarthur

[hushed lion]

17 days till dlc

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[vast shore]

Chak

They didn't show how they improved border skirmishes

Remember what I threatened

[tepid oxide]

[inland bloom]

😂

lmao that photo

[hoary siren]

Accurate Boe Jiden pic

Funny because his last name is also banned/censored in this discord

[brittle venture]

No modern politicians please.

[tepid oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-westfalen-gif-13950428917751165554

[stable mica]

What we can see tomorrow???

[wise oxide]

filippinos

[wise oxide]

i love ur name

16 days till patch notes

next week factions diary? and in 2 weeks coal/navy?? and on the dlc week something

[drifting star]

Bruh where’s the teaser

😭

This more interesting then anything in my life

[hushed lion]

They aint teasing anything since they already showed the Philippines tree anyways

[hollow coral]

Lets see what additions they added

The political paths seem very guided

Its like one straight line

[drifting star]

Maybe cuz tomorrow the launch they are not doing a diary

[floral anvil]

Why is paradox not giving us new content creator packs?

[hollow coral]

They are

[floral anvil]

Which

[hollow coral]

the czech focus pack

they are working with modders to make it

[floral anvil]

It’s not a content creator pack

It’s a “focus pack”

[hollow coral]

so what do you want

[floral anvil]

I want to know what happened to the “content creator pack” label and why there never came any new ones

[quasi harbor]

I think that may have been a one time thing

[harsh hull]

A name is just a name

It doesn't matter if it's called the same as it was if it serves the same function

The content creator pack was a collaborative effort with mod teams to add new art assets to SOV, and the focus pack is a collaborative effort with mod teams to completely overhaul CZE

If the greater scope warrants a new name, so be it

[floral anvil]

Good for you 🤝

Now I like classification to make comparison more intuitive

[harsh hull]

Good for you

[hollow coral]

first world problems

[stable tusk]

So no Chak tease today? Sad

[floral anvil]

third world problem

[drifting star]

Prolly cuz eu5 comes out tomorrow and they don’t want to distract

[jolly wasp]

Will there be a mengjiang unique focus tree?

[polar jasper]

No, but they have unique national spirits

[jolly wasp]

Why would paradox give Khotan ma a new focus tree but not mengjiang? That would continue to make Mengjiang the only Chinese nation without a focus tree!

[polar jasper]

It has the default warlord tree with a bit of flavor

Menjiang never had content and now it does

[jolly wasp]

Nice

[polar jasper]

Through national spirits

[jolly wasp]

Phewf

[polar jasper]

No focus tree

Besides the OP generic

Generic tree is underrated

[jolly wasp]

I consider the warlord tree to be a unique focus tree

[polar jasper]

Well, the Ma Clique got split into 3

[jolly wasp]

I’m confused

[polar jasper]

And I believe all 3 Mas have the exact same tree

Which is warlord tree with a bit of flavor

Menjiang never had anything going for it

Now it has like 6 national spirits at game start

[jolly wasp]

Why do you think paradox won’t give mengjiang the focus tree

(New)

[polar jasper]

Too small and irrelavent

[jolly wasp]

And yunnan is?

[polar jasper]

Prioritized the Chinas and Japan

[polar jasper]

Already had content in WtT

With generic warlord tree

All that changed is like 7 focuses probably

[jolly wasp]

I know but what I’m saying is I think mengjiang is more relevant than yunnan

[polar jasper]

Menjiang would need a complete tree to be made since it wasn't a Chinese warlord

[jolly wasp]

That’s fair

[polar jasper]

The country that gets annexed by Manchukuo?

[jolly wasp]

Yeah but yunnan got annexed by china

[polar jasper]

Manchuria just flats out annexes it in its focus

[polar jasper]

Harder to do

[jolly wasp]

I mean in real life

[polar jasper]

Manchukuo just has a focus to annex it in 70 days

Yunnan either has to be fought over or spent a bunch of political power integrating slowly

[jolly wasp]

Mengjiang had a bigger history, and was a true puppet nation, on the wiki, xi bei san ma wasn’t even really a true thing

[polar jasper]

They split the Ma Clique in 3

And it is for compromise

[jolly wasp]

And Austria still got a focus tree despite Anschluss being the 2nd thing Germany does

[polar jasper]

But Austria could resist

Mengukuo simply gets vaporized

[jolly wasp]

And sultanate of Aussa got one even though they get annexed immediately

[polar jasper]

Aussa has the generic horn of Africa tree

Like 10 other tags have it

So Ethiopia can get stronger

[jolly wasp]

It’s not generic if it is different to the generic tree

[polar jasper]

Fine

It had the horn of Africa tree

Shared by like 10 other tags

[jolly wasp]

Yeah!

[polar jasper]

Designed to strengthen Ethiopia

It is basically a part of the Ethiopia tree

Because most of those tags are released by Ethiopia when they federalize

[jolly wasp]

I don’t think anyone who starts as aussa intends to get annexed by Ethiopia

[polar jasper]

The tags released by Ethiopia do

[jolly wasp]

Yeah but I’m talking about aussa

The most irrelevant nation in hoi4

[polar jasper]

Which shares the same tree as all the other releasables in the horn of africa

Because it is designed to get annexed by Ethiopia through Ethiopia's focus tree

[jolly wasp]

But which is more unique than mengjiang and Siam

[polar jasper]

Siam is getting a tree soon

And Aussa is literally just a secondary tree to Ethiopia

Like all the other horn of Africa tags

[jolly wasp]

I know, but aussa got one first

[polar jasper]

Because Ethiopia got a tree

And the horn of Africa trees are designed to help Ethiopia

[narrow shard]

Do we know if Japan is getting puppets similar to Germany? Kinda like the reichkommosariats?

[polar jasper]

They already do

They have those imperial protectorate things

[narrow shard]

oh really?

[polar jasper]

Yeah, since Waking the Tiger

[jolly wasp]

And now our intellectual conversation has been ruined by an idiot

[polar jasper]

Woah

Chill out

[narrow shard]

oh mb

[polar jasper]

Not everyone knows everything in this game

[brittle venture]

gun 3 in 1939 my beloved

[polar jasper]

You are fine

[brittle venture]

it wont

[jolly wasp]

WiLl JaPaN haVe PuPPeTs?

[polar jasper]

Different puppet system

[jolly wasp]

You’re even dumber

[brittle venture]

thats rude

[polar jasper]

Like fascists have the RKs and Austria has its crownlands

[narrow shard]

ong

[jolly wasp]

Learn!

[polar jasper]

We went from discussing Aussa to bashing on moderators for saying hi basically

[brittle venture]

im just answering a question

and japan isnt getting the RK system, which is bad anyway

[narrow shard]

alrighty thanks man

[polar jasper]

Did you know integrating a crownland sets them to an integrated puppet with 0 autonomy points and free to annex?

[jolly wasp]

Sorry mate I thought you forgot about Manchukuo, instead of the intricacies of the reichskommissorat system

[brittle venture]

crownland? you mean the japanese puppets?

[polar jasper]

Austria

I was talking about Austria's puppet system

[jolly wasp]

Would have been a pain to explain something like that

[brittle venture]

oh i didnt because i dont play austria

japans puppets are funny

if you go non aligned theyre actually below 0 autonomy and free to annex

[polar jasper]

Stop speaking like that

[jolly wasp]

Do you believe mengjiang is more relevant than Aussa!

[polar jasper]

You didn't even know about the horn of africa trees until today

They are literally an extension to Ethiopia's focus tree

[brittle venture]

i dont care? i think the generic tree is very strong and benefits japan more than a custom tree would

[polar jasper]

This

[brittle venture]

regardless aussa doesnt have a unique tree but the regional ethiopian warlord tree

[polar jasper]

Generic tree is unironically very strong

[jolly wasp]

Not for puppets

[polar jasper]

Well, gun 3 in 1939 is very powerful

[brittle venture]

tho yes mengjiang should get content when mongolia gets updated

[brittle venture]

because they were not a chinese state but they were the japanese collaboration government of mongolia

[jolly wasp]

Although I think it should get stuff with the newest dlc

[brittle venture]

if mongolia doesnt get updated they should also not get updated

[jolly wasp]

But mengjiang is Chinese!

[polar jasper]

What was that battle Khalkon Gol?

[brittle venture]

Following Japan's occupation of Manchuria in 1931 and the establishment of the puppet state of Manchukuo, Japan sought to expand its influence in Mongolia and North China. In a series of actions, starting in 1933, the armies of Manchukuo and Japan occupied Chahar and in 1936 proclaimed itself the independent Mongol Military Government, allied with Japan under Prince Demchugdongrub.

[polar jasper]

It would be neat if there were more border clashes between Japan and the Soviets

[brittle venture]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengjiang

its a mongol state

not a chinese state

its in chinese territory, but so is all of mongolia (claimed by the Qing dynasty before)

[polar jasper]

But still, it would be neat if Soviets could also do border clashes with Japan

Even if I think Japan started them all?

[jolly wasp]

Even the Japanese thought it was Chinese

[jolly wasp]

Kholkin gol comes to mind