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[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[willow root]

same as war on terror specifically vs muslims

yk

[hushed lion]

I hope so

[hollow coral]

Maybe like a decision

[fresh cedar]

It lowkey looked like the state rework wouldn’t allow accurate borders

[hushed lion]

Hoi4 needs to add (optional) scripted peaces

[willow root]

never

we need total capitulation push to vladivostok

[hushed lion]

Yes cause hoi4 is shit

[rocky oasis]

He literally just said that more special goods than just opium should be depicted, not that it should be changed from special goods to opium.

[hollow coral]

Its not divided at the parallel which it never was in vanilla

[willow root]

oh right

i feel like thats not too big of a deal then

[fresh cedar]

Would just think in a rework you’d want that

[willow root]

they dont plan to take the game that far

same as why theres no states for east and west berlin

[fresh cedar]

They said they wanted to add more post war content

[hushed lion]

I dislike how hoi4 has a seeming focus on modern borders in 1936

[hollow coral]

🤷‍♂️ i dont think anyone would want to simulate the korean war and post war borders

[willow root]

deadass?

[willow root]

allied occupied austria omg

[hushed lion]

Why is Korea pre divided as the post Korean war border to begin with?

[willow root]

i would

[hollow coral]

Like the damn mongol border

[fresh cedar]

After GDR I believe devs said they wanted post war content. Tbh the new factions would make it work

[hollow coral]

Damnit it should be fixed

[willow root]

it doesnt make sense that korea is two divided states in the first place

instead of multiple provinces

[rocky oasis]

I personally think they should have divided it into North and South Berlin. North Berlin being a dystopian nightmare ruled by a single family and South Berlin being a dystopian nightmare ruled by Samsung.

[hushed lion]

Real

[willow root]

the parallel divide is completely abstract

same as many colonial borders the brits made lmao

[hollow coral]

Crazy how korea managed to fit two dystopians onto one peninsula

[willow root]

two sungs cant fit in one peninsula 🙏

or can they?

[hushed lion]

Also I dislike how hoi4 has this refusal for small states

It would make historical borders so much better if they added a couple extra small states

[hollow coral]

Like one tile states?

[fresh cedar]

I just want a secret path for Japan where it becomes a mega corporation hellscape

[hushed lion]

Pretty much

[hushed lion]

Historical

[rocky oasis]

Eupen-Malmady will rise once more!

[fresh cedar]

No emperor, just stonks

[willow root]

how does this work

[hollow coral]

Ive looked around that map and there are maybe 10 or so of them

[polar ocean]

I checked the information

[willow root]

will chongqing go to the main roc later in the game

[fresh cedar]

We’ll see

[willow root]

cuz it became the main wartime capital

[hushed lion]

Well yes but not where it matters

[hollow coral]

Yes sichuan gets absorbed

[willow root]

ohh ic

[hushed lion]

Islands don't count

[fresh cedar]

Factions and territory transfer via decisions/focuses

[polar ocean]

The CPC only retained opium cultivation in one village and surrounding areas in parts of northwest Shanxi.

[hollow coral]

I wasnt counting them

[polar ocean]

Because the long-term cultivation of opium in that area has made it impossible to grow other crops

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-venom-xray-eddie-brock-gif-26261019

[willow root]

i wonder how accurate xinjiang is

[polar ocean]

Directly changing crops will make local farmers unable to survive

[fresh cedar]

How small are we talking? Like Luxembourg small or Vatican City

[hushed lion]

Far better than before

[willow root]

i mean the civil war they have later in the game

cuz eight years simulates it

not sure about ncns

[hollow coral]

Its honestly pretty accurate but khotan ma should be called “new 36th division” and kumul khanate should just be called kumul

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I just don’t think it’s a primary focus for many people in here. Yes it can probably be represented better but it’s a minor cog of a much larger tree and dlc

[willow root]

yeah more accurate than rt56 surprisingly

paradox cooked

[hushed lion]

Eupen malmedy for example which is the province above Luxembourg, not quite miniscule but not particularly large either

[hushed lion]

Rare paradox w

[hollow coral]

They should give greater hungary accurate states in yugoslavia

[willow root]

magyar nationalist here

[hushed lion]

Yes they need to split dalmatia into two states minimum

[hollow coral]

Yes we are all huns

[polar ocean]

But this tiny gear is the one I hate the most

[hollow coral]

And make the tiny sliver of slovenia a state

[hushed lion]

Real

[willow root]

true civilisation came from ASIA

[polar ocean]

Because this is more in line with the national policy of other warlords and Chiang Kai-shek's regime rather than the CPC

[willow root]

ok one thing i dont like

this conquer tree is kinda shit

[hushed lion]

Make trieste it's own state so we can have post war trieste free state

[fresh cedar]

So does it have 3-4 trees?

[willow root]

how does secure taiwan work

like is it just a wargoal???

is it an event??

[hushed lion]

Naval invasion buff

[hollow coral]

Im going to guess that you cant destroy roc

[hushed lion]

(For 120 days)

[willow root]

two wooden junks floating over to general chiang's fleet

who will win

[hollow coral]

And they will just whitepeace to taiwan

[willow root]

make a bridge with the peasant bodies

[willow root]

oh interesting

maybe prc will get defected ROC navy ships like they did irl

[hushed lion]

I was right it is just a temporary naval invasion buff

[fresh cedar]

But ROC gets a focus “Taiwan numba one” with a 50% defense on core territory buff

[hollow coral]

Didnt the navy get completely wiped out st the start of the sino japanese war

[willow root]

more like it pretty much never existed

[undone kelp]

Really hoping some of the warlord states get stuff of their own.

[hollow coral]

Pretty pointless

[hushed lion]

National spirits

[hollow coral]

They are too trivial to get a tree

A warlord dlc wouldnt work either

[willow root]

oh ok i found it

[hushed lion]

And sinkiang can still form turkestan

[willow root]

the royal navy gave a ship to the ROC basically

[hollow coral]

How generous

[willow root]

but the crew had dogshit morale and fled to the communists

[hushed lion]

What could you really add for most of them?

[willow root]

then it instantly got sunk

[fresh cedar]

Would be cool if they were focused on different types of units like Calvary, arty, infantry etc. with unique formables for parts of China

[willow root]

😭

[hollow coral]

Something schizo

[undone kelp]

If the Baltics can get a tree, the Warlord states can.

[hollow coral]

I saw someone suggest the mas should be able to form the qung dynasty because they were qing officers

[hushed lion]

They are getting a revamped warlord tree

[fresh cedar]

Does the PRC own Taiwan today?

This should answer your question

[willow root]

that was about the ROC navy

not the prc navy

[fresh cedar]

Ah

They should have Taiwan with permanent state debuffs from earthquakes tbh

[hollow coral]

Well they actually had an organised government

[willow root]

japan permanent earthquake event

[willow root]

i do think warlord states should get some content but like

its tonnes of effort

[hushed lion]

And had existed for like 20 years by that point

[fresh cedar]

I just want unique 3d models, unit specializations and small formables

Would be enough for me

[willow root]

good candidates would be yan xishan in shanxi and li zongren in the new guangxi clique

[hollow coral]

I feel like ive said this a million times but the warlords getting unique tree would be very pointless

[polar ocean]

And there are tons of other errors that I need to type in one by one. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

[hollow coral]

The dlc hasnt even released yet

[polar ocean]

Essentially, the entire text is based on errors.

[hollow coral]

Just voice your concerns in the forums

[hushed lion]

Tibet maybe could form a greater Tibet

[fresh cedar]

Honestly I just don’t care about opium enough to continue talking about it 😂

[willow root]

they wont add additional trees regardless

[hollow coral]

Talking to the opium guy

[willow root]

ah

[willow root]

dw

loc error is so easy to fix

you can do it in like 2 hours if you really wanted

[polar ocean]

reddit or?

[hollow coral]

Its crazy how you can actually mod them and change them without breaking checksum

[willow root]

true 😭

[hollow coral]

Reddit or paradox forums

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if Tibet and Mongolia will have any new spirits

[undone kelp]

Honestly that and the Ma would be about all I’d ask.

[fresh cedar]

Ma should be able to unify

[willow root]

not even the small ma cliques

just the main one with ma bufang

peak

[fresh cedar]

End game Ma tree just reforms Yuan Dynasty 💀

Joking don’t flame me

[willow root]

wrong ethnicity vro 💔

[hushed lion]

Mengjiang might

[fresh cedar]

Wait till you find out about French Chile

[undone kelp]

Yuan Restorationist vs Qing Restorationist.

[willow root]

is that the wacky thing with the royalists

[fresh cedar]

Watch there be another hidden monarchy path apart form the Qing one

[willow root]

classic monarchy

[hushed lion]

That should be mengjiang

[rocky oasis]

End game Ma Hongkui is just creating a massive ice cream factory.

[willow root]

i love the leader name

demchugdongrub

[undone kelp]

Or Guangxi going fully independent.

[hushed lion]

The "naval bomber"

[fresh cedar]

Would you guys rather see the return of the Ming or Yuan?

[rocky oasis]

Got removed sadly. He also is no longer leader at game start.

[willow root]

he would be good friends with castro

apart from the ideology ig

[hushed lion]

Although he is still a leader

[fresh cedar]

Wonder how this will all interact with coal

Like if you conquer and have a ton of non core, factories get ate by coal usage.

[undone kelp]

I’d cackle if we got restoration paths for Yuan, Ming, and Song in addition to the existing Qing.

[hushed lion]

zheltorossiya path when?

[willow root]

who would have them though

especially song

[fresh cedar]

Probably will get Ming

As a hidden

[twilit jolt]

Shoutout for the Yulin Clique representation even if it couldn't make it to the map

[hushed lion]

Maybe if russia goes imperialist it would be a protectorate and if the user remains it can core it and reform the russian empire

[vivid cedar]

This update could’ve been the best of the best if they included a Mongolian focus tree.

No pillaging and doing naughty things to people in the steppe this patch.

[hushed lion]

The greater Mongolia formable is already something atlesst

[willow root]

damn thats such a cool compromise

[undone kelp]

The remaining descendants of the Song are still around and living in and around Fujian and Guangdong, though IIRC the last mention of them as nobles comes from them integrating themselves with the Ming government in the 18th century.

So, based off location maybe something for Guangxi or a hidden RoC path.

[vivid cedar]

I want a formable that stretches from India to the skirts of Hungary and Korea.

[willow root]

yeah i feel like it would be extra schizo

they would have an extremely hard time even researching a claimant to the position

or someone who was identifiably a descendant of the song lineage

[vivid cedar]

If they ever modernize the U.S. focus tree they need to get rid of the civil war mechanic if you go Fascist, makes no sense.

[twilit jolt]

The Yellow Sand Society that advocated for the Ming Restoration actually defeated the East Hebei garrison in 1936

Japan had to step in and drive them out

[hushed lion]

History has clearly shown that America quite easily switches to fascism bloodlessly

Also they should remove the csa shit cause it makes no sense, it should be its own path

[vivid cedar]

I know we live in Greater Israel at the moment but that’s beside the point.

America needs a new focus tree desperately.

[hushed lion]

Probably the next major dlc will be the allies

[undone kelp]

Hidden path within Ming restorationist would be the way to do it if anything, though they’d have to find a candidate.

Or establish a regency council that’s whole thing is finding a candidate.

[willow root]

finding a candidate for the throne who definitely isnt long dead in a recently united nation risen from warlord states

havent heard that trope before

[twilit jolt]

Still kinda funny how they left out New Zealand for Siam in the next DLC when "Thunder at our Gates" kinda implies fighting against Japan, not with Japan

[winter tartan]

No, next question

[vivid cedar]

I’d imagine the type of Communism taking form in the 1930’s in America would be close to Jacobinism.

[hushed lion]

They also did leave out Iceland in arms against tiranny(also a dlc with a dumb name) and it still ended up getting s focus tree

[undone kelp]

Don’t want the Qing, Yuan, and Ming battling it out in a 20th century remake of the Three Kingdoms?

[winter tartan]

I would rather have in depth content about the politics about Warlord china, which is much more interesting than the 527462956th path of le epic schizo monarchic restoration

[twilit jolt]

Yan Xishan Thought will dominate China as the superior ideology

[undone kelp]

Porque no los dos?

As we see with the Greek and Bulgarian trees, for example.

Or the revival of the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth and Tsarist Russia.

[winter tartan]

The Anastasia Romanov as a secret path was a fun idea, but after GoE it has been proved we can't go too schozo

[winter tartan]

Greece is a horrible point, its focus tree is terrible. 95% of the playthroughs are just Byzantium and 4% of the others are democratic Megali (which is underrated, although it is absurd you can't get Cyprus)

[winter tartan]

There is literally no point in playing anything else

[twilit jolt]

It's kinda unlikely since it was more so related to Guangdong but I wonder if China will get a Federalist path

[hushed lion]

Turkey and Greece need overhaul in the next balance dlc

[twilit jolt]

Turkey is fine content wise but needs severe time adjustments

[winter tartan]

Polish Lithuania is not that weird, considering it only had been 140 years ago and the Poles had some ambitions over Lithuania irl, and the tsarist is passable, if only to give more content to the Soviets than just communism

[hushed lion]

Yeah

[winter tartan]

But getting the goddamn Song Dinasty in 1940 instead of investing that time in actual interesting content? Come on

[hushed lion]

The poles already wanted a second Poland Lithuania after ww1 historically

[winter tartan]

The 35 days focus mod makes it the best formable in the game

And the Turkish focus tree is actually solid in its content

[twilit jolt]

It covers pretty much everything it could cover really

[hushed lion]

Honestly true

[winter tartan]

@undone kelp Because it explores the mechanics of Kemalism, allowing you to
a) either drift it into a communist/fascist movement
b) allows you to become a true democracy under Kemalism
c) the one before but it gets subverted by traditionalists and get your funny monarchy (the ottomans)

This is the way to go

[stoic mist]

What is Bulgaria's job in historical multiplayer?

[winter tartan]

Not " haha, wouldn't it be nice to bring the Tang Dinasty back in 1936?"

[thick edge]

Mech

/d-day wall

[winter tartan]

Open Crusader Kings if you want to play that

You are getting a China update in a few weeks, go profit from it

[twilit jolt]

Or you can do something silly and just stay as the Provisional Government because Paradox forgot to add a flag to prevent you from going the Balkan path

[undone kelp]

Meanwhile France has three different monarchy restorationist paths

[hushed lion]

All of which suck

[winter tartan]

Because there were three royal houses in France in the last 100 years

Who actively claimed the throne

Also, by 1936 there was still a significant amount of monarchists in France

Do you really believe that people would support somebody who claims to be the heir of the Tang or the Song Dinasties?

Please, @undone kelp stop contributing to Paradox bringing slop to the game

[undone kelp]

Man, the gatekeeping be real. How to trigger Placido 101.

[winter tartan]

I have had enough of people who want to turn this game into a simulator of monarchist stravaganza

[hushed lion]

Truthnuke

[winter tartan]

The game has a great potential, but there are people who don't understand that the game is suffering from this outlook

[hushed lion]

Most monarchist paths are pretty much just fascist larpers

[winter tartan]

I don't mind having Easter eggs and funny stuff, but sometimes Paradox offers its hand and people take the whole arm

I want every nation to feel unique in its own ways, and the 3000th monarchist larping path makes it very difficult

[undone kelp]

I don’t find it any more out pocket than the idea of Japan suddenly turning communist in 1936, or Germany democratic in 1936 and recovering from a civil war in time for another major world war, or the CSA suddenly rising from the grave 80 years later.

[undone kelp]

A result of so many nations having had monarchies more than anything else.

[winter tartan]

There are a few orders of magnitude between "the Wechtmacht fears having their own long knives night, so they rebel" and The Silk Road Empire

Also, I believe that while drifting a bit into alt-history, a communist Japan in a country that had a good number of Communists after all isn't that weird.

[winter tartan]

But there are many more interesting paths, histories we could explore

[hushed lion]

I personally find the csa one the dumbest

[winter tartan]

Yeah, I agree, although it is a very old dlc

Paradox wanted a fascist path and didn't bother to do their homework

[hushed lion]

If there is a new csa path in a later us dlc it should have America splitting in two after the civil war and as the csa you would be able to form the golden circle in the Caribbean

[winter tartan]

idk what that golden circle thing is

[hushed lion]

Pretty much greater csa

[winter tartan]

you know what would be interesting for the us?

a different approach towards the great depression

rather than starting as an extremely limited growth-wise, it should start with fewer factories, but have an exponential growth

but, here is the catch: you get factories through focuses and decisions, and if you fail at having a satisfactory new Deal, you may get a revolt

socialist sentiments may grow in industralised regions, and nostalgics may grow in the south if the government doesn't improve well enough those regions

it would make more sense than just "Alf Landon provoked the second civil war"

[thick edge]

Greater Jamaica 🔥 🔥🦅 🦅 🇯🇲 🇯🇲

[vast shore]

understood

adding 3000y old empire

with cores on half the world

to every shitter meme nation

[winter tartan]

to be fair, I am so far satisfied about everything they have announced for NCNS

I am giving a trust vote to the A team, but the B team that is in charge of the Siam rework has yet to earn it

I hope they have learned lessons from GoE

[vast shore]

Meh

Not happy about the soviet pacific whatever union

[winter tartan]

I think it could be feasible with some mechanics that represent the challenge of having such a nation

but I doubt they will be incorpored, it would make too much sense

[hushed lion]

Mongol empire is guess

[vast shore]

That one is kinda fine lol

[rocky oasis]

Oddly enough, I am more invested in Indonesia being good. Granted this is mostly because that one person constantly beating the drum about a good Indonesia focus tree has gotten me invested in it.

[winter tartan]

dei, siam and australia have the potential of being a fine dlc

I am going to give Paradox a trust vote and buy the expansion pack, if thunder at our gates is shit I won't any more

and just because I hope that GoE backlash has been big enough for the devs to get a good scold

[vast shore]

Surely, just like ToAs backclash worked

[winter tartan]

ToA was a good dlc that happened to be a bit unbalanced. It is just not what people expected because everybody was obsessed with a Middle East dlc and it was a bit expensive

[dapper lotus]

But TOA was good

[rocky oasis]

I just hope Thunder At Our Gates has a good amount of characters and paths alongside the HQ feature being good.

One of my biggest disappointments from both the original release version of GOE and the fixes to it afterwards was the lack of characters added (especially for Iraq).

[safe trail]

No, while we've touched up the Warlords to work with the new content their trees more or less look the same and won't be getting a Dev Diary. I think we're showing off some stuff in the Nationalists' DD though...

warlods wll fet maybe less then manchuria

[sharp spade]

warlord path is probably just tweaked with the border conflicts and how aligning with other Chinas work

next week I assume is the ROC and they'll either talk about them then or it'll be right near the end where they'll probaby show manchuko

[wise oxide]

commie china stream next?

if next diary is philippines instead of china i will crash out

[safe trail]

maybe we get Kmt china and the they stream both chinas

i hope we get next kmt china dev diary

[hushed lion]

The lake between outer and inner manchuria seems to no longer be controlled by the USCR

[hushed lion]

Next dev diary is gonna be Bhutan focus tree

[hushed lion]

We pretty much saw most Philippines content already

In the dev corner

[fossil torrent]

Aren’t we due a nationalist China tree first ?

[safe trail]

yes

[vast shore]

I think they confirmed national china

[hushed lion]

The only other country it could be is manchukuo

[safe trail]

manchukuo will not get a dev diary

[sharp spade]

It looks like they made Hong Kong and Macau smaller

[hushed lion]

For the best

[hushed lion]

And neither will the Philippines meaning the next is the kuomintang

[unreal monolith]

north eastern army mains where?

[hushed lion]

It has army in the name so it must be strong

[safe trail]

the philpiens will get a dev diary

[unreal monolith]

in strength I think its

1. China
2. Sichuan Clique
3. Guangxi Clique
4. Shangdong
5. Northeastern army

[hushed lion]

They already showed everything off in the dev corner?

Why would they even make another one for the Philippines

[safe trail]

because maybe they changed stuff

[unreal monolith]

adding these warlords is just bloat and trash lag bullshit, to make it look like paradox is doing somethin

[hushed lion]

And manchukuo isn't getting anything?

[safe trail]

only a update

wee seen the focus tree

alredy

[unreal monolith]

probably wont even fix the peace out with japans

[safe trail]

an the focus tree was 100 times shown in this chat

[hushed lion]

How dare there be historical accuracy in my slop fascism larp simulator

[crimson tartan]

you mean that near vladivostok?

[hushed lion]

Yes

[crimson tartan]

oh they added it recently

iirc

they said so on the stream

[unreal monolith]

if there would be historical accuracy these would be labeled as autonomos provinces of china and whatnot and also more of them.

[hushed lion]

So we're the Philippines

[unreal monolith]

they wont even have significance

[unreal monolith]

Hmmmmmm

[safe trail]

they show ther new nation in a dev diary alone promotion wise

[hushed lion]

So your complaint is that they added something but also that they also didn't add enough? Also historically yes these regions were very autonomous. It's about time xibei san ma gets removed

[unreal monolith]

If you're gonna do something atleast do it right, no?

[hushed lion]

Also I don't get the tags create lag excuse, like whenever Britain decolonises the game runs at roughly the same speed it usually does

[unreal monolith]

xibei san ma still exists but in another name lol

its not like you will escape the charisma of Ma bufang

[hushed lion]

they have pretty much added all of them

Maybe you could argue yulin isn't there but they are still represented as a malice the Chinese soviet republic gets

[unreal monolith]

I wonder why mengjiang exists? its supposed to be called Mongol autonomous military government or smth like that and mengkukuo wasnt established until 1939

[safe trail]

Mongol autonomous military governmen is a focu in jpan focus tree

foucus you need to take if not mengjang cann join the unidet front

they said on the live stream

[hushed lion]

It was a state before then it's just that it became a Japanese protectorate

[unreal monolith]

Im curious if it will be hard to demand subjagation now

[wise oxide]

1939 start date is a war crime how bad it is it has population from 1936 and some countries are half as strong as they would normally be if you started in 1936

[hushed lion]

They honestly should just remove 1939 start

[hushed lion]

I was actually using that map to see major differences when arguing with the other guy

Paradox has added a vast majority of these

[wise oxide]

some warlords where not significant enough but all of these should atleast be local modifiers or spirits

[hushed lion]

Yes and I think Hami is a releaseable

[wise oxide]

we saw it as kamul khanate in the stream

[hushed lion]

Exactly so I don't really understand the whole "not enough" complaint

Paradox players are never happy

[hushed lion]

The whole complaint is unfounded

[wise oxide]

most warlord mods dont even do 3 ma cliques

*realistic mods

[hushed lion]

Cough cough road to 56 cough black ice

[wise oxide]

world ablaze

[hushed lion]

Also

[wise oxide]

but tbh they are all so weak

[hushed lion]

Atleast r56 calls it the ma clique collective

[wise oxide]

road to 56 just gave china a warlord cliques spirit

ig its ok but i like seeing more warlords

[hushed lion]

Isn't it also in base game?

[wise oxide]

maybe

i just hate that its too easy to play china

just spam infantry and japan ai cant push especially if you build forts in beijing

[hushed lion]

The new cliques might make that harder

[wise oxide]

for sure

[hushed lion]

Also the fort limit

And coal

[wise oxide]

bc cant build forts there and maybe wont even get military acces

[hushed lion]

And all the other stuff

[wise oxide]

• risk of capitulation on the front

[hushed lion]

I think heibei is a Chinese puppet

So they can build forts but the issue of fortune limits remains

[wise oxide]

this mod is so fun

[thick edge]

What more does it have than normal rt56

[wise oxide]

antarctica and north pole, and some fun stuff

recommend looking for yourself

accurate world map exept the pasific islands are weird apparently

[drifting star]

I hope we get a way to make Hiraheto emperor of China

[hushed lion]

Hopefully we keep the ability to make mcarthur leader of China although I severely doubt it

Given the shared part of the focus tree is gone

For the cpc alteast

[hollow coral]

I mean its a glitch

[drifting star]

?

How

[pseudo wing]

Mcarthur can be sent to

oop hit enter

[stable mica]

So, which is the best way to unite China diplomatically: 28 and a half Bolsheviks or diarchy?

[pseudo wing]

he can be sent to china to help out there but sometimes if the war resolves a bit wonky you can effectively get him as the country leader for some reason, its kinda funny

[pastel zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-entrance-omni-man-explode-gif-21497546

[sharp spade]

New communist China looks fun

[hollow coral]

Did you think that was a feature😅

[dapper lotus]

Please ming china path

or tang dynasty

[hollow coral]

Tbh the dumbest stuff ive heard

[dapper lotus]

nah would be cool secret cosmetic tag like kingdom of Finland

would be sick for china

[marble tiger]

Why don't you just make a UK update instead of releasing some fking dlc?

[hollow coral]

Name one person that is recorded to be descended from the tang dynsasty

[pure schooner]

Its in mtg which will be integrated

[willow root]

unless they just straight up make up a claimant it’s not happening lmao

[hollow coral]

small footnote

there was a government recognised line of succession of the ming dynasty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_of_Extended_Grace

the last holder of the title met puyi

but at most they were ceremonial and it was abolished in 1912

it no way shape or form was there an actual movement to restore the ming dynasty

[willow root]

werent there some small peasant groups aiming to restore the ming

pretty much footnotes in history though

[hollow coral]

that was immediately after the qing took control of the mainland

[willow root]

no not those

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sand_Society

[twilit jolt]

Yellow Sand mentioned

[willow root]

the prc had to suppress them in the end

[hollow coral]

i mean sure but that is definitely schizo

[willow root]

easter island child schizo path

[willow root]

also considering shit like taiping started similarly

its not completely without precedent

[hollow coral]

taiping should also not be in the game

[twilit jolt]

"in July 1936. Led by an old Taoist priest, the Yellow Sands managed to defeat an East Hebei Army unit that was sent to suppress them in Miyun District, whereupon the Imperial Japanese Army mobilized to crush the uprising.[23]"

If East Hebei Autonomous Government was a country of its own, this would've been one way to restore the Ming lol

[hollow coral]

reviving 100s of year old empires should not be in the game

[willow root]

yeah obviously

taiping was dead as hell by then

but yellow sands was technically an actual movement

[hollow coral]

✌️

[hollow coral]

a few will be disestablished early on

[vast shore]

Not when I get to play them in MP

[winter tartan]

No

Please stop being so annoying about it

[hollow coral]

I dont get the obsession

[winter tartan]

Relevant thread yesterday

[hollow coral]

The only china that should have a monarchist path is manchukuo

[winter tartan]

@dapper lotus please leave the server, uninstall Hoi4 and install CK3 or Europa Universalis

[hollow coral]

Or just permanently play into the orient

[winter tartan]

We don't want slop in this game

[winter tartan]

The UK is bad currently, but honestly Japan was worse

I don't believe the order of priorities is bad, honestly

[hollow coral]

Shouldnt us be next after japan

[winter tartan]

Maybe, they are both very bad

Ireland, US UK Canada potentially?

[hollow coral]

Cooking

A us uk ireland canada south africa and new zealand dlc would be ideal

[winter tartan]

6 countries? Unlikely

[hollow coral]

Its not that big if a stretch

Cant have multiple stragglers

[winter tartan]

Honestly, I am willing to sacrifice NZ and South Africa for good content for the other 4

And NZ can get some content in thunder at our gates

A little flavour at least

[hollow coral]

South africa is poorly outdated

[winter tartan]

Or maybe a modders project for South Africa, like Czechia

[hollow coral]

Well see

But for me a commonwealth dlc wouldve been perfect

[mild patrol]

France?

[hollow coral]

France is interesting

Its definitely not the weakest tree

Nor is it the most outdated

However it is outdated to major standards

It will probably get a rework but not for a while

[winter tartan]

I doubt they are reworking three majors on the same year

I hope that with France comes another rework to Spain, though

[safe trail]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378468/Screenshot_84.png

democratic communist china

[regal granite]

CCP turning into a social democratic party?

[hollow coral]

No this is ruled by the china democratic league

[safe trail]

yes

I belife KMT-RC

[hollow coral]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Democratic_League

This was zhang lans party

[safe trail]

ah ok could be

[regal granite]

So CCP have no place in a democratic Communist China?

[hollow coral]

What does this mean

[safe trail]

? we hafe a focus reform the rebublic agter the focus yun yat sen so maybe you reform the CCP

[hollow coral]

Still dont understand

[safe trail]

i belife he ask if the ccp is banned? i dont know either

[coral drift]

Confirmed new releaseable (new starting tags did not count) so far for NCNS: Ryukyu (Okinawa), Kumul Khanate, and (East) Timor

Would Sulu and Taiwan joined the ranks?

[hollow coral]

Like a formosa tag?

[coral drift]

Yuup

[hollow coral]

Indigenous portrait

[hushed lion]

Democracy is when you ban political parties

[hushed lion]

There is also the kumul khanate

[hollow coral]

That just appears in the xinjiang war

Although it should be called just kumul

[hushed lion]

It's still not a starting country

[hollow coral]

🤷‍♂️

[hushed lion]

And I do presume it has its own tag

[coral drift]

Oh?

Thought it's one

[hollow coral]

Sidenote but they are very inconsistent with the cliques name

Foremost shandong shouldnt be called a clique

More like a glorified province

And yunnan and shanxi dont have the clique in the name

[flat cosmos]

I‘m just happy there‘s finally more warlords tbh

[hushed lion]

Real, there was a guy yesterday complaining that there were too many

But also at the same time too little?

[hollow coral]

Warlord maxxing

[flat cosmos]

How da hell does that make sense?

[hushed lion]

Yeah idk

Also cause paradox added pretty much all of them

[flat cosmos]

I mean I would understand that some would complain since this will certainly cause more lag since more country tags and units but still

[hushed lion]

People highly overestimate how much lag countries really make

[hollow coral]

Not really

And they will eventually be shaved down

Hebei shandong sichuan guangdong northeastern army and khotan ma will be annexed

[hushed lion]

Shit mengjiang doesn't have the warlord tree

[hollow coral]

Well its kind of different from warlord

[hoary siren]

Big Tibet

[fresh cedar]

As long as the AI can handle it well

[hushed lion]

Normal Tibet, Tibet was just incorrectly sized up until now

[fresh cedar]

People complain about anything. Just like opium Guy

Would be cool if you can start Japan Balkanized

[hushed lion]

Why was hoi4 Tibet small to begin with?

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/deng-xiaoping-deng-xiaoping-ultra-ultroids-gif-20933421

I like the advisor change

[cosmic falcon]

I'm interested to see what Nationalist China's focus tree will look like.

[harsh hull]

Small Tibet had the modern borders of Tibet

Xikang (the eastern part they have in that screenshot) was occupied by KMT-aligned forces some years earlier, and reformed into a Province of the Republic in 1939

I think the old setup was more accurate for 1936? They'll probably have a decision to seize Xikang in the end though

[safe trail]

me too

Nationalist China iam hyped

glory Chiang Kai-shek

Three Principles of the People for the win

[dire coyote]

surely theres like a focus

that pressures germany to do something

or support china

because never in a million years does the ai do the china part

-befriend china*

like if held off they see that theyre worth inevsting in

/high relations+did invite german tings

[frosty oak]

I’m extremely happy with how communist China is looking

Almost to a T what I was hoping for China, a big struggle that has a fat late game

I’m extremely excited to see how Nationalist China pans out

[winter tartan]

Bad work by Paradox

[frosty oak]

I’m also happy they finally, finally finally finally, enabled all political paths to proclaim the people’s republic

[winter tartan]

We have been promised LKMT Wang Jingwei path, I am happy

[frosty oak]

I thought we only had a fascist one, you mean we get both???

[winter tartan]

I am going to larp him growing some balls he lacked otl

[winter tartan]

In the Dev corner they showed some sneak peeks for Wang Jingwei

I don't think it is intended to be a fascist path, I suppose that would be the Yellow Shirts

[frosty oak]

Perhaps I am simply misunderstanding Chinese history and politics tbh

I’m just happy that the communist seem absolutely perfect, and it gives me alot of hope that the nationalist will be too. Can’t wait to see what minor stuff the warlords get too

This is easily the most exciting regional update since NSB for me

[pallid frigate]

Waiting for more British colonies and French colonies as puppet states

[frosty oak]

I’d hope they recognize the mistake of doing that with GOE

(Personally tho, I was more than happy that they did it with the Belgian Congo, not the best nation, but absolutely underrated, and Africa always deserves more resources and development)

[pallid frigate]

Agree

[frosty oak]

I wouldn’t even be upset about it if the middle eastern colonies were given any kinda flavor at all, they aren’t even something fancy like IEA or the reichscommisariats where they have no cores

Kinda feels insulting the added the 37 Palestinian revolt, but it does literally nothing to the British colonial government

[pallid frigate]

For me I would like to add more puppet states colony like British East Africa

Or French Indochina

[hushed lion]

Real

Even the limited amount of content like they are doing with mengjiang is something

Or they could be given a regional tree

[frosty oak]

Idk, I’m not one to complain about lag, but adding new states needs to make sense

Iceland? Sure, fun
Aussa? Neat, fun, meaningless in most games anyways, who cares
But why add the middle eastern colonies?

[pallid frigate]

British East Africa and British Hong Kong is more important

[hushed lion]

For uhh

[frosty oak]

Adding more Chinese warlords, awesome fun

[pallid frigate]

Middle East is boring

[pallid frigate]

Yeah like Sichuan

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-thinking-turtle-thinking-think-gif-4413065970268058698

They should add Egypt as a starting nation

[pallid frigate]

Anyone agree with me to add British East Africa and British Hong Kong

[frosty oak]

YES ACTUALLY

[pallid frigate]

Yeah

[frosty oak]

EGYPT 100%

[pallid frigate]

1000%

[hushed lion]

100000%

[pallid frigate]

Egypt is independent since 1922

It's weird to not adding Egypt

[frosty oak]

The next middle eastern DLC should do Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, and frankly they should use that update as an excuse to remove the colonial governments from the map

[hushed lion]

There is literally no reason not to

[pallid frigate]

Yeah

Road of 56 did better than original at this point

[pallid frigate]

👍

[frosty oak]

Plus, adding Egypt means more development for Africa, which is always a plus

Add Egypt, update South Africa too, then I’ll call the continent perfect

[pallid frigate]

If they adding Egypt no way British East Africa is missing

[pallid frigate]

I would like to see adding Rhodesia

[hushed lion]

Maybe with some ancient egypt larp path

[pallid frigate]

Or Pan-Arabia

[hushed lion]

That is mandatory

[pallid frigate]

Alr

[frosty oak]

so, if I can ask, what’s gonna be the benefit of these British African colonial governments?

That you wanna add

[hushed lion]

You can't have an Egyptian focus tree without one or more pan Arabic paths

[frosty oak]

Egypt makes sense, sorta kinda independent but not really

[pallid frigate]

Idk

[pallid frigate]

As a puppet state

[hushed lion]

Dominion level puppet?

[frosty oak]

Nah, probably appropriate to call it an integrated puppet

Sure they had self rule? But like, did they really tho?

Maybe regular puppet actually

[hushed lion]

How would the Anglo Egyptian Sudan work?

[frosty oak]

Probably as a focus to transfer the states to Egypt I’d say

But if you go with loser’s idea of making alot of colonial governments, could be its own tag, or just still have the states transferred to it in the form of a puppet government

[thick edge]

Lag 🔥

[frosty oak]

I don’t normally think it causes much issues, but I do think we should only add new states if they serve a purpose

[hushed lion]

People really overestimate how much lag countries produce

With or without Britain decolonizing the game runs at the same speed

Roughly

[frosty oak]

6 new tags don’t cause that much more damage in a game with like 90 others

I just want it to have a reason to not be integrated like the rest of the non-dominion/major colonies

Like, there’s a reason the DEI, British Malaya, Belgian Congo, and British Raj are independent tags

But why is Burma, Palestine, and Syria set up as separate tags, when say, Sri Lanka, Hawaii, French Indochina, and Kenya aren’t?

Really actually, idk why British Malaya isn’t directly controlled by the UK either

[hushed lion]

Why would it be?

[frosty oak]

Well, why wouldn’t it be?

I understand the DEI in the same way that the Raj and Congo are independent, they absolutely dwarf their colonial masters, but Malaya feels almost like an outlier

[winter tartan]

The compromise would be to have them as "empty puppets"

[frosty oak]

Hmm?

[winter tartan]

Don't have them build divisions, only do focuses that give factories, etc

Not as countries who are constantly trying to do stuff

Do we really need puppet Syria pumping out divisions?

[frosty oak]

Well, no, but honestly that kinda makes it feel even weirder to just have countries with their AI turned off

Doesn’t feel like hoi4 was designed with such a Thing in mind

[winter tartan]

Put an AI logic forbidding them from doing certain stuff and even check for it

[winter tartan]

It could be a game rule. Hoi would benefit from some gamerules that don't disallow Ironman/achievements

[frosty oak]

It would be a nerf to majors too, primarily the allies

[winter tartan]

I am not talking about India-like puppets, but about Oman

[frosty oak]

No I know, but the UK benefits from owning a lot of the states it owns for example

Decent bit of manpower, resources and a few build slots

France does too to a lesser extent

[winter tartan]

Vietnam gives 100k troops when having high compliance lol

[frosty oak]

Oh shit fr? I always forget how high population they are

I’m a lazy France player, I always release everybody

[winter tartan]

It does, I released them once and my recruitable pop reduced by 100k

[frosty oak]

Damn

[sharp spade]

What achievements do you think they’re adding?

[rocky oasis]

Fascist path was revealed in the China Dev Corner to be Dai Li using the Blueshirts with his portrait shown off in the portrait dev corner. We know there are also going to be other democratic leader options for Nationalist China due to the portrait dev corner showing off a portrait of Carsun Chang.

[winter tartan]

Macau my day 2

But it is France from their treaty port

As the Kumul Khanate, claim the Mandate of heaven

"Visiting Commodore Perry" as Fascist Japan, park the Yamato in Washington's port

[sharp spade]

Probably one as Zhang Xueliang take back Manchuria

[hushed lion]

As mengjiang reclaim all former mongol empire states

[quasi harbor]

I was looking at Zhang Xueliang and i found it crazy when i saw he died in 2001

Bro lived through it all

[crimson tartan]

i got so many ideas for mod
but i just broke my monitor 😭

[winter tartan]

He also banged Mussolini's daughter

[drifting star]

Would Manchukuo be reworked in the future?
We've added a little sumthin' for them.... But more about that LATER 😉

Hmmm what could that mean

Mongol empire tree confirmed ?

[regal granite]

As nationalist china flee to Taiwan and retake mainland china

[hushed lion]

They showed the manchukuo focus tree

[winter tartan]

No

I am interested, however, in how a Mongolia gameplay could now be more interesting

Building up, then when the Japanese come knocking, get inner Mongolia for the revolution and unifying Mongolia for once

[drifting star]

They literally said that there will be content for them in the dev diary replies

I feel like that implies a tree

[hushed lion]

They showed it in the stream

[drifting star]

They literally said there will content to be talked about later , it was an early build we must be patient

[hollow coral]

Honestly chiang could probably be the leader of all ideologies other than communist

[safe trail]

yes

i could aso see this

[brittle venture]

Thats not even hard

[winter tartan]

You have to cap the US + it is funny

[brittle venture]

You dont

[winter tartan]

Not that hard, but neither are other achievements

[brittle venture]

Just dont generate world tension/liberate china to reduce generated tension then click improve relation

10 pp 0.40 pp daily

[winter tartan]

True. Well, with the US being a puppet, then

The point of the achievement stands, doesn't it?

[brittle venture]

I suppose

Theres gonna be something stupid like as japan ally poland and occupy london

[winter tartan]

Maybe

But I find my suggestion funnier

Considering history

[dapper lotus]

yeah nah bringing back dynasty’s is the most crazy thing ever, all of alt history hoi4 is slop, like you can be east India company and buy the whole world, revive Austria Hungary without war, and even in the new dlc somehow Japan being communist during 1936. Oh and Poland can be lead by a bear, Finland can unite Scandinavia without war pre 1939, Greece and turkey can both revive completely dead empires easily, Italy can form Rome but china reviving a dynasty during one of the most fragmented periods in its history is where you draw the line

Chile can have a small population of natives coup a centralised state and also core the whole americas

Hoi4 is not realistic and you shouldnt take it to seriously

[winter tartan]

I am calling for a change of course in the ways of sloppy alt-history. I agree that most of these are crap. Let's not make it worse

[dapper lotus]

yeah but hoi4 is still on as played due to alt hist

you must embrace slop

like Japan looks so good and the alt hist paths look very non slop and good

[winter tartan]

Definitely that's the reason and not the fact that there isn't any competence in the "Strategy games that are more complicated than risk"

[dapper lotus]

yeah but hoi4 is not hard

[winter tartan]

But others are too simple

[dapper lotus]

At least single player is not

Once you have a frontal lobe hoi4 is not as hard

[winter tartan]

Try to download a "strategy" game from the play store that is not shit

[dapper lotus]

yeah but all non paradox games are not good

Hoi4 does need strategy

but people make it seem like it’s the hardest game know to man kind

a lot of singplayer comes down to rng rather then anything else

[winter tartan]

Paradox niche gives them a relatively small (compared to AAA games) but loyal fanbase (because there isn't anything better). They do profit from it

[winter tartan]

It is not a hard game, I don't claim otherwise

But HOI4 doesn't have a comparable game that rivals it

It is not the AAA games market where everyone fights everyone

[dapper lotus]

It doesn’t need one and can’t really have one

cus they would be to similar

[winter tartan]

It would be healthy to have at least another company that makes similar products.

Monopolies are not great

[dapper lotus]

Yeah but paradox rely on dlc for all games, they need to pump stuff out or money dries up

so they have to update regularly with dlc, and bad dlc = people don’t buy = paradox make no money

[winter tartan]

Maybe, but without a monopoly maybe they wouldn't bring such obscene prices to dlcs

[dapper lotus]

so they are already incentivised to make good payed content other ways the lose money due to marketing model

[winter tartan]

There is a significant portion of the people who will buy it no matter what

[dapper lotus]

yeah but GOE has much less purchases then other dlc

and that took money = paying workers and developers = if they don’t break even for costs of production = loss

[winter tartan]

Because it was sloppy, like the Tang dynasty path you want

[dapper lotus]

no it’s because the paths all did the same thing and the nations all sucked = fighting allies jn 37 for empty desert which you can’t peace out for

[winter tartan]

But there are still lots of people who buy it no matter what

[dapper lotus]

only slop path was EIC

[thick edge]

EIC is a funny path ngl

[dapper lotus]

GOE sucked cus as 1 civ Afghanistan I have to fight India and then have to somehow navy invade UK as Afghanistan

in 1938

[winter tartan]

The whole dlc seemed to be made by somebody who didn't understand how the game works

[dapper lotus]

Yes that’s why it sucked not cus of cool alt hist paths

[winter tartan]

But disguised it as "haha, we are reviving old dead empires"

[dapper lotus]

but that the only fun part of GOE is playing a Mughal India or caliphate Afghan

and coring all the Middle East

Without crazy alt hist paths, all those nations suck

[winter tartan]

Please elaborate on the cool alt history paths. Do you mean the terrible Mughal path, or playing Democratic Iraq (it is Kurdistan)?

[dapper lotus]

Cool alt history path are just ones that run with cool ideas like chile coring France with a new kingdom for example, gives you a hard goal and a good reward for completion

[winter tartan]

I would rather have had a dlc by people who had studied the political reality of those countries and made a focus tree according to it rather than sit in a chair and say "What defunct empire should we revive today"?

[dapper lotus]

yes but Reviving a Chinese dynasty is not super unrealistic in this period

A warlord state could easily do that

KMT and CCP china obvs would not be doing that

[winter tartan]

ToA was actually good in that sense, at least they did their homework. They then decided to put two schizo paths, but not before doing an actual good job at studying those politics (kind reminder Chile has 4 possible democratic parties to put in power)

[dapper lotus]

but if you know stuff about Chinese history and the Mandate of Heaven, it’s not super unrealistic for a tiny warlord to go proclaim a new dynasty and try fight to reclaim all off china, could be a fun path, again hoi4 is not realistic

[winter tartan]

Half of China can claim to descend from those monarchies by 1936, and very few wanted the Qing let alone the God damn Tang Dynasty

[dapper lotus]

Yeah but do you know why the Qjng collapsed

[twilit jolt]

the one place that could restore the Ming (East Hebei Autonomous Government garrison that was defeated by the Yellow Sand Society that advocated for the dynasty) is not a tag of its own 🥀

[dapper lotus]

Or anything about the Qing ?

[winter tartan]

Xinhai revolution, yes

The century of humiliation, etc

[dapper lotus]

It’s not just one event

many

and it’s not like people didn’t like the monarchy, in fact puyi was kept as a figure head for a decent amount of time

after dynasty collapsed and before he went to Manchuria

cus of stability from monarchy

[winter tartan]

After 20 years of republicanism, the Chinese people were solidly republican. I may accept a monarchic restoration by the Qing, that the game accepts as a hard thing in the focus tree with that abysmal modifier

But reviving Dinasties that lost the power 300 years ago? Really? Come on.

[dapper lotus]

Yeah but Italy can form Rome

And Germany HRE

[winter tartan]

Yes, I have understood your objections about it. They are dutifully noted

That doesn't change my point

We don't have to keep filling the game with shit

[dapper lotus]

If you think alt history paths are all slop mate your playing the wrong game

[winter tartan]

Not all alt history, but most of what you are proposing are

[dapper lotus]

The alt hist paths give countries different objectives and playstyles regardless of slop or context, without them the game would get boring

[dapper lotus]

I legit said most of the alt history paths

if you love historical go play modded multiplayer like TFB

or play black ice single player

[thick edge]

What are you guys even arguing about anymore

[winter tartan]

There are some that are genuinely not unlikely. Poland-Lithuania was genuinely an ambition of the Poles

[dapper lotus]

But it’s still unrealistic and slop according to u

[winter tartan]

About @dapper lotus's eternal love for slop

[thick edge]

But more context

Bit more context*

[winter tartan]

He wants a path for the Tang Dinasty out of all things in this game

In 1936

[dapper lotus]

This guy thinks that hoi4 should remove most of alt history

bruv what

[winter tartan]

I have not claimed such a thing

[dapper lotus]

I just said that hoi4 china / warlord should be able to claim Mandate of Heaven

[thick edge]

So

This game is too have fun

Not larp with historical only

[winter tartan]

If you want to play with the Tang, congratulations, CK3 releases a DLC just for you next week

[thick edge]

Why complain about alt hist

U can literally just disable it

[dapper lotus]

Without alt hist hoi4 would not be as popular

[winter tartan]

I would rather have the Devs time consecrated to make enticing mechanics grounded in history of China that is interesting enough by its own

[dapper lotus]

history of china is legit all dynasties

[willow root]

they literally just have to make shit up if they want a tang dynasty path

[dapper lotus]

what are you talking about

[willow root]

that was 1500 years ago lmao

nobody has claimed the throne for centuries

[winter tartan]

I am talking about the history of China from the 1930s, when the game happens

[dapper lotus]

That’s Qing dynasty

[winter tartan]

Not From the year 867, as I say, that is covered by CK

[willow root]

no shit but it is way more realistic to have a ming claimant

tang is just schizoid

[dapper lotus]

I said that

[willow root]

might as well bring back the xia dynasty while youre at it

[winter tartan]

Neither. It is 1936, the Ming have been under the ground for 300 years

[willow root]

revive qin shi huang and create a new teracotta army

[dapper lotus]

.

[winter tartan]

I might as well put my great grandfather into the game and put him as a Jimena dinasty claimant to the Spanish throne

[willow root]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sand_Society

[winter tartan]

(he wasn't)

[willow root]

there were still ming revivalist groups

just very obscure

there were literally no tang revivalists

[winter tartan]

This misses the point

Completely

[dapper lotus]

Doesn’t have to be tang, just Han lead dynasty

idc

[willow root]

..ming then

[dapper lotus]

I just made a cool suggestion

[willow root]

not particularly

ming is just way more plausible

[dapper lotus]

But this guy got mad at ming

[willow root]

considering han monarchists would look towards the ming most likely

[dapper lotus]

yes but according to this guy, any alt hist is slop so

[willow root]

ok thats bs

but i do agree tang is slop

[dapper lotus]

Poland Lithuania is apparently more plausible even tho then ming china

[willow root]

lmfao

[dapper lotus]

like gng if you don’t like alt hist play black ice

[tranquil urchin]

current alt history just missed the whole point of the game
it's no longer what if germany got nuclear weapons and more like suddenly the habsburgs seize power in Austria and gobble up every nation around them in 2 years

[winter tartan]

It does. There are a lot of genuinely interesting people in China in 1936 that could bring China to very different outcomes: What if Mao had been killed and Dent Xiaoping had become leader, what if Mi Zongren had opposed more seriously to Chiang, etc ...

[willow root]

deng xiaoping was a hardliner back then

he also was not in a position to take national leadership

[winter tartan]

Whatever. But not "we will revive ze monarchy for the 3000th time"

[willow root]

“The Yellow Sands also aimed at the restoration of the Ming dynasty.[1] This too was a common motive among Chinese secret societies, often expressed in the slogan "Oppose the Qing; restore the Ming".[31] This slogan remained popular in rural areas even after the Qing dynasty's fall and was still widely used in the 1940s.[32] The rule of the Ming dynasty represented an idealized time, and it was widely believed that a Ming restoration would result in a "reign of happiness and justice for all" under a "good sovereign".[33]”

[dapper lotus]

Yeah and those alt hist options such

yes I want communist china but with new guy instead of mao

[willow root]

we kinda already have that

[dapper lotus]

Ik it’s sarcasm

but alt hist is unrealistic, why not fully embrace

[willow root]

eh fair enough

[dapper lotus]

make it more fun as it is a video game that’s not to realistic

[winter tartan]

"yes I want Reactionary Monarchist China, but today it is the Ming we are bringing back"

@dapper lotus idk, I invite you to play China in Kaiserreich and tell me the same

That is a very well done China

[dapper lotus]

You can have triads and heavenly kingdoms in that

[winter tartan]

That shows how much potential it has and how it is wasted by doing such things

[dapper lotus]

and in that mod you can legit revive the mongol empire

[winter tartan]

That's Kaiserredux you are thinking of

The actual good one is Kaiserreich

[dapper lotus]

The same mod that is based on Germany winning WW1 unrelastic alt hist

[polar jasper]

Some people perfer the wackiness of kaiserredux

Kaiserreich is more grounded

[winter tartan]

I know, but the people are mostly the same that existed irl

[dapper lotus]

So the mod should be slop according to you cus it’s still alt hist

[harsh hull]

Oh good, more arguing about "realism" in HOI4

[polar jasper]

Have you actually read about that one European guy

[winter tartan]

I have not claimed such a thing

[polar jasper]

In mongolia

[winter tartan]

Once again

[polar jasper]

Sternburg or whatever

[winter tartan]

This is exhausting and you are completely missing the point

[polar jasper]

Some wackiness it alt history is fine in base hoi4

[dapper lotus]

So are you

[polar jasper]

Like the Polish kings are chosen because some guy walks in and says why they should

[dapper lotus]

Yes thank you

[polar jasper]

I dont like the EIC path

But stupidly convoluted Wojtek king path funny

[dapper lotus]

and my whole thing is that a warlord state could have the option to claim the Mandate of Heaven

but nah to unrealistic

when you have EIC

[polar jasper]

If you have to jump through 500 hoops to get wackiness, im fine with that

[polar jasper]

That would be based actually

[dapper lotus]

I just like having fun alt hist paths

[polar jasper]

Random warlord declares himself emperor

Unites China

And the world

[dapper lotus]

yes this guy gets it

[polar jasper]

That would be a stupid achievement

But very silly

[dapper lotus]

yes but hoi4 is silly

so

Missed opportunity if they don’t

[polar jasper]

I want my historical to be realistic, but my ahistorical to be funny

Or grounded at least

[dapper lotus]

yeah it’s pretty grounded

[polar jasper]

Funny is the meme paths where you have to do 10 billion stupid things to unlock it

[dapper lotus]

Nah but I get what you mean, don’t want another EIC

[polar jasper]

Slopyard of Empires

[dapper lotus]

only good slop like Mandate of Heaven pls

[polar jasper]

We dont want slop, we want sludge

[harsh hull]

Empire falls, Republic rises
Republic falls, replaced by Empire
Empire falls, replaced by Warlords
Warlords fall, replaced by Republic
Republic falls, replaced by Empire

Welcome back, Yuan Shikai

[hallow torrent]

democratic china is gonna so cool, praying there's a super indepth path

[stable tusk]

I really want a way to disable the AI from going certain paths
Like I don't want the EIC to buy 90% of the world when I'm trying to have a chill game

[whole arch]

Literally if you have so much to complain about go make your own game/mod instead of sitting around complaining that someone else isn't meeting your own standards, that's all I'm gonna say.
-# yes I read through that entire conversation, it was really funnily entertaining

[flat cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[hollow coral]

Well yeah mussolini did want to recreate the roman empire

And wouldnt it make more sense to create a new dynasty rather than claiming a millennium old dynasty

[willow root]

he’s not being as unreasonable compared to when he wanted tang

[willow root]

the fact is that even though it was pretty fringe, there were still revivalists for the ming dynasty, mainly since they saw them as better times and rejected a legacy of manchu rule

[willow root]

not if someone claims to be part of the zhu line to get credibility as a monarch

its honestly not as bad as wanting a taiping path

[hollow coral]

lets forget about the ming part

since there was a government recognised line

wanting to revive empire with no clear line of succession is objectively schizo

unless someone with actual power had an actual idea of that

yes there may have been an organisation to recreate something

but if they were pretty insignificant then they shouldnt have a path specifically dedicated to them

[wise oxide]

are we getting something today??

[hollow coral]

what makes you think that

[wise oxide]

pattern

today would be communist china stream or something else

[hollow coral]

hm

[wise oxide]

lemme know if chalk drops a teaser

[willow root]

considering we have anarchists who literally can core the world

and a new reich from argentina

thats not really much

i agree they shouldnt get a path but its not entirely without historical basis

[dense raft]

bro they should add first world war

[terse viper]

where is Kumul Khanate that we saw in the livestream

[hollow coral]

Its not a starting nation as it appears in the xinjiang war

[simple lodge]

Mongolia focus tree when

[wise oxide]

maybe friday we get something

[winter tartan]

probably never, unless they decide to exploit the B team into making a whole warlord rework dlc

[polar jasper]

Demobilization mechanics and doing nothing for 20 years and that WW1 combat is staring at stagnant frontlines for 3 years

Also they cant keep 1939 start date from being a mess, so adding another doesn't help

Also you would need new focus trees

[winter tartan]

you won't believe this, but there is a mod just for you in the steam workshop

[winter tartan]

I could have a lot of fun in interwar china

[polar jasper]

Yeah, but let's say you played France or UK

Now what

[thick edge]

Nothing will ever happen

[winter tartan]

in case the entente wins, you have 20 years of nothing happening

[polar jasper]

Hoi4 is a ww2 game and that is that

[winter tartan]

in case the central powers win, it is over, the game content only provides they have lost

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[polar jasper]

Eastern europe was a hot mess for a long time

Post-war

[glass dome]

when is the new dlc releasing?

[misty geyser]

NCNS is releasing on November 20th.

[glass dome]

o

damn ty

[wise oxide]

hoi 4 remake update on new engine and a 3d globe when?

hoi 5 would be a nuke in the hearts of iron players hearts of iron

if it Dont have most features

but that Will be in 10 years

[winter tartan]

I have bad news for you, then

because considering the years the last paradox games have been releasing, we should be getting hoi5 around 2028-9

[hollow lion]

I was looking and jesus christ, CK3 is already 5+ years old 👴

[split portal]

Does anyone knows if they released anything about republic of China focus tree?

[fresh cedar]

The recent one was about communist China and before that was Japan

[split portal]

Ok thanks

[slate helm]

@hot stone argentayna

[fresh cedar]

They provided the date legit like 10+ times now 😭

[glass dome]

wasnt caught up

sorry

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[glass dome]

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I just want to see how the faction rework effects Central Powers, Mitteleuropa, and other common alt history factions

[sharp spade]

it will probably stay to whatever the reich one is

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/family-feud-buzzer-wrong-answer-strike-survey-says-gif-16314402

Considering Trotsky faction will be different than Stalin. I’d assume the others will also differ

[sharp spade]

Mittleuropa might be containing communism, taking colonial territory and then building the navy

[fresh cedar]

Meanwhile Central powers is just to retake what they lost

[hollow lion]

Nice to have more distinction there

[sharp spade]

Yeah like helping Austria take back it’s land

I wonder what factions will work like if you create one yourself

[fresh cedar]

I think you’ll just be able to edit goals.

But the idea of alt history being more stable makes me happy

[sharp spade]

Just waiting for the dlc to come out so I can play it

The title screen looks better than what GOE’s is

[fresh cedar]

This?

[sharp spade]

Yeah

[hushed lion]

Low bar

[stable tusk]

Wonder which one is the Filipino plane

[polar jasper]

Apparently there is a "try to spot the Filipino roundal" game to do with this one

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I heard that too but didn’t see it. Have to get a higher quality screenshot

[polar jasper]

I cant recognize planes all that well so im not much help

[brittle venture]

its not that hard theres only a few planes which have the roundal visible

and half of them are japanese

[fresh cedar]

Rounders aren’t super easy to identify sometimes since many can be circular with slight differences. So having an HD picture can help distinguish

Though Phillipines should be easy

[brittle venture]

you can narrow it down to 3 planes and though i dont know the roundal that should be enough for an aducated guess

[pseudo wing]

I can clarify them for you all don't worry: They're || planes. Hope that helps. This is now supplementary text to make it seem like there's an actual answer here but I am doing a lil' trolling don't mind me||

[stable tusk]

The Filipino "round"el isn't round but diamond shaped lol
Idk if this is the same one they used in ww2 tho

[silver solar]

28 MORE DAYS!!!

[wise oxide]

news today?

[safe trail]

nah i dont think

[hushed lion]

Tuesday

And probably a teaser for it on Monday

[fresh cedar]

Ah so the roundel is just the modern one

Is there a way to possibly get a higher definition version of the image? 😭

Would be funny if we couldn’t see it bc the streamer cam was in the way

[frozen kestrel]

This is what was used during ww2

Almost certain, the only instances of the 'new' roundle being used are on PAF P-51's after the war, 1947

[wise oxide]

tell the devs to make the philippines flag go to war mode would be a cool detail

[dark sail]

i will love if they give us a possiblity to change it and no dlc, we can already see with dlc we have or not

[vast shore]

Hoi4 ping
Not update related

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[steep nest]

[thick edge]

Same

[north hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-update-nothing-dissappointment-gif-9922939

[steep nest]

Indeed. The only particular ones I’ve seen that were “without the wings” on the roundle were on P-26 Peashooters

Wait that’s weird.