latest-updates

[hollow coral]

And atleast plausiblr

Same with this kind of

Maybe could be called something like zheltorossiya

[sharp spade]

I feel like china will get a opium debuff which tanks recruitable population

[hollow coral]

In the obedience path theres a focus with question of leadership which removed puyi

[hollow coral]

Like at game start?

[formal ginkgo]

Ok im officially a dumbass

I was trying to do the US civil war and i was doing it with the standard infantry template when i could've just switched all my divisions to cavalry keep enough equipment to change to infantry

[crimson tartan]

bro

pdx promoting la resistance dlc 😭

this ad is out of hands

[formal ginkgo]

Ok im starting to realize my blunder my last game

i forgot to put radar on my ships

aircraft carriers are assholes with the naval bombers

[vast shore]

I actually kinda see it lol

[thick edge]

Same lol

[vast shore]

Anyway

dear hoi4 lords

Please drop a teaser

for the next dev diary

that hopefully will be china

[brittle venture]

teaser:

[vast shore]

holy shit its puyi!

This means they are establishing a mandate of heaven Qing empire focus!

[fading walrus]

Communist China because new starting leader?

[formal ginkgo]

thats not a bad deal

they are on the wheelchair

[crimson tartan]

these 8 destroyers were the only ships in germany 😭

[formal ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

2 of the battleships i did not use once

I left the UK on Nauru and just declared war on iraq (who is in my faction)

[quiet verge]

Will there be Manchurian resistance?

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/good-deal-damn-good-deal-inglourious-basterds-gif-9641888780287763794

[broken totem]

Hoi4!!

[crimson tartan]

eeeh...
is it some kind of working title?

[drifting star]

?

[hollow coral]

They literally said in the japan video the next will be china

[vast shore]

so back

[stable tusk]

Didn't know PDX was a fan of this

[hollow coral]

<@&846894118219022336>

[keen mountain]

Hello guys, do you think there should be a new DLC in HOI4 for Caucasian states like Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan? I think it would be great.

[stable tusk]

Probably won't be made because none of those countries were independent at game start, or at all until the 90s

[keen mountain]

I see

Btw do you think for the new update if we succeeded in making an annexed state has compliance of 100 percent we should be able to core it? I think this would be good.

[hollow coral]

no

[keen mountain]

Why lmao

[hollow coral]

that means countries like britain or france could get 100% compliance in their colonies and instantly core them

[keen mountain]

It would be ridiculous

[keen mountain]

Sounds good lmao, or I just wish there is a mod for the latest HOI4 version that can core more territories instead of just specific countries and focuses.

[rocky oasis]

Wonder if he will get a portrait update (this is the guy you get if you ask the French for a general as China)

[hollow coral]

hes not even a real person

they might aswell just remove or replace him

[keen mountain]

By the way have you guys ever played a nation with generic focus tree (not main nations)

[hollow coral]

is the grass green

[dire coyote]

ive never seen someone go down french branch as anything in china

[echo halo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929339638

[keen mountain]

Thanks very much

[vast shore]

@pseudo wing Sire, can we pretty please get a China Teaser ahead of the time like with the Japanese you showed?

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-18999842

[winter tartan]

Not happening

And if it happened I would riot

[drifting star]

Dawg just be patient

[vast shore]

I've been waiting for months

ever since they teased the japan rework I was thinking off china

[drifting star]

Dawg tomorrow is the teaser calm down

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather see some part of Africa and South America get content before that. Heck even Mongolia, Tibet, Bhutan etc

[dusk mist]

No I think it would be pointless

[hushed lion]

Tomorrow? Not Tuesday?

[rocky oasis]

The first Japan dev diary got teasers across social media on a Monday.

[hushed lion]

Ah ok

[fresh cedar]

They will tease Monday prob and maybe do a video Thursday

New pattern unlocked?

[junior hound]

when is the Japan update scheduled to release?

[scenic fulcrum]

liubliu sasati cilen

[hushed lion]

Nov 20

[formal ginkgo]

am i goated or what

[formal ginkgo]

600 aircraft did that instantly wow

[vast shore]

2 days actually

[coral drift]

Not until 8PM Jakarta time, so around 10 and half hours from now

Or if DST is applied, 9 and half

[lost torrent]

Is line artillery still good?

playing USA right now and wondering if I can go SF and do line arty

[brittle venture]

It hasnt been good since waking the tiger (2018)

Its only good against gun 0 (1918) and decent against gun 1 (1936)

[inland mirage]

It would be kinda cool if in the next update they added a special mission to naval mine canals, making them impassable for a certain period (like the Luftwaffe did to the Suez in 1941)

[wise oxide]

its also good if you dont have manpower

[wooden wyvern]

I always use it as japan

Idk what else youre meant to do

[brittle venture]

Well youll lose more

[wise oxide]

1 month left for release

i wonder if we get china diary today

[heavy bolt]

japan-china war is like 1 one use case where line arty is good

[vast shore]

tomorrow

[hushed lion]

The question is, what china?

[thick edge]

The sinkiang area

[vast shore]

Both

I hope we'll get a teaser

[hushed lion]

There is more than two

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gary-oldman-everyone-gif-14317847

All in one Mega Dev Diary

[wise oxide]

source?

[wise oxide]

kamul only

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

Jokes aside

Dev diaries always drop on tuesday

Around 3pm CEST

Or approx in ~26h

Also someone said that in the dev stream they said China will be the next dev diary

[wise oxide]

sure?

[vast shore]

this is blatantly wrong lol

[wise oxide]

last year most diaries dropped on monday

i did research

[vast shore]

Yeah well

irrelevant

[wise oxide]

no

im right u Wong

• exactly 1 month untill release

[vast shore]

Yes

But the dev diaries are still on tuesday

@wise oxide

[wise oxide]

not always

[hushed lion]

Japanese Congo would be peak

[late glade]

how

[sharp spade]

One month

[hushed lion]

If only that month were February

[pseudo wing]

hmmm

[hollow coral]

Finally we get accurate uniform

And not only the german trained uniform

Will there be other options like ones with brodies or adrians?

[late glade]

Better if they updated the game engine

[hollow coral]

The picture provided seems to be a soldier stationed in shandong

All warlords should have the same uniform as the kmt

Besides the ma’s and xinjiang

[late glade]

Why do I get 180 FPS on ultra in GTA 5, but only 20 in HOI4 on speed 5

[hollow coral]

Prc should also get the kmt uniforms although maybe either some red patched

[safe trail]

i hope we get tommorow Nationalist china dev diary

and maybe a warlod peak

[hollow coral]

it will be roc next diary

And warlords will only get small changes

[safe trail]

@hollow coral ok good

@hollow coral if we gedd changes like manchuria im fine

[hollow coral]

Watch the recent livestream they showed off the updated manchukuo tree

[safe trail]

@hl i know i saw the focus tree

[hollow coral]

Oh thats what you meant

[safe trail]

yes

i hope the warlords gets the manchu

tretment

we

[hollow coral]

I wouldnt expect around that much if an update like for manchuria

[safe trail]

we have now constitunel monarchy democratcy and comunnist

democracy

@hl would be nice

[hollow coral]

They probably would just expand on the current paths

And add a few more focuses to industry

[safe trail]

Maybe they have each 1 unique path

[hollow coral]

Maybe like a small unique tree for each one but i wouldnt expect that much

[safe trail]

we see but iam hyped

[hollow coral]

If they couldnt even make a tree for mengjisng

[safe trail]

And i hope Nationalistic china is great now

@hollow coral yes but i belive warlods are important gamplay and stroey wise

story

[hollow coral]

I mean at most they are just to be conquered and to weaken roc

[safe trail]

we will see tommorow (if they show warlord stuff)

[coral drift]

Would love for more subideologies

[hollow coral]

Showa statism as a sub ideology for japan?

They could probably quell the people asking for a monarchist ideology if they seperate despotism and monarchism

[safe trail]

maybe anarchism monarchisim as extra ideologie

[coral drift]

Monarchism subid for nonaligned

[hollow coral]

Adding more ideologies is honestly pointless

Subudeologies are the way to go

[coral drift]

Oh, nevermind

But Showa Statism would be an exclusive one, like German N*zism

[hollow coral]

Manchukuo could probably get showa statism too

Rn they are rexist for some reason

[coral drift]

Eh, i forgot, is there any other countries using the German subid?
I think Austria did not have iy

[hollow coral]

I think the rks?

[coral drift]

Because Rexism is the closest subid

[coral drift]

Probs

[hollow coral]

To like corporatism?

Whats funny is that they confused social democracy and democratic socialism

They should just change it to socialism

[coral drift]

Demsoc needs to be its own subid for communism

For council communism, it can be included in demsoc

[hollow coral]

True

Some others i could think of could be like syndicalism

[coral drift]

For Socialism vs Social Democracy, maybe the latter needs to be a separate democratic subid

But it's not that urgent

[coral drift]

That would be just KR. It's too niche IRL

[hollow coral]

True theres no parties in hoi4 that are that

Maybe like ultranationalism for fascism

Since a lot of nationalist or ultranationalist parties in hoi4 are branded as fascist for being right wing

[coral drift]

For ultras, yeah, needs a subid for fascism

But for national conservatism, either conservative (dem subid) or ultranationalism (fash subid), case by case basis

[hollow coral]

Yeah its unnecessary to have a sub for each type of it so one encompassing all would be enough

[coral drift]

But each ideologies can have 5 at least, don't you think?

3 is too few
10 is too many

[coral drift]

Ah yeah, i forget Social Nationalism
In my Indies mod i lumped it with Socialism (dem subid)

Dr. Cipto, Sukarno, Hatta and their fellow PNI members are influenced by socialism for their nationalist ideals

[hollow coral]

Could work

Something that could work for non aligned and fascist is personalismo

But that is basically despotism

Clerical fascism which combines religion and fascism

But thats kind of broad

[coral drift]

And lumping both Christian and Islamic should be done with caution, maybe a generic description of "religious values"

[hollow coral]

Yeah

Maybe theocracy could work

The pope

Third rome

Islamic republic iran

[fresh cedar]

I mean theocracies could work easily for that like HL said

[vast shore]

My prayers have been heard, bless you!

[pure nexus]

is there any info regarding tommorows dev diary?

[fresh cedar]

Communist China

[safe trail]

did paradox say this

[fresh cedar]

It’s atleast the warlords

But I’d guess communist China

[safe trail]

ok yes the uniform is communist china

[winter tartan]

I had hoped for Kuomintang

I want to larp as Wang Jingwei actually growing some balls against the Japanese rather than what he did historically

[rocky oasis]

Any guesses on whether we are getting both historical and alt-historical paths in tomorrow’s dev diary or just the historical one?

[safe trail]

communist china is onlyone dev diary i think nationalist china 2

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess Historical. Then next week ahistorical

[vast shore]

I just really hope

we get the chance to spawn units

inside japanese occupied territories

even though I doubt it

[sharp spade]

Well they still need to talk about the Philippines and factions/new navy mechanics

[vast shore]

My guess is both

and then next week nationalist china

unless they cramp nationalist china into it

then I believe 2 china's historical this week

alt hist next week

[safe trail]

@vast shore i belife communis an nationalist china are not toggeter in one dev diary

[vast shore]

We'll see

They were together in the dev corner

but that means nothing

It just depends on how much content they both get

[safe trail]

@vast shore on steam you see a bit of communis china and ists big and the old focus is complety gone

[vast shore]

Hell yeah!

[safe trail]

so yeah an they said complet rework for both and they teased Dai LI and wang jingwey for nationalitic china

nationalist

[vast shore]

Wang Jingwei would be really cool

[safe trail]

yeah in the dev corner they said both are releffant so we have Dem Faschist And Non

aliigned

[vast shore]

I just hope they make the CCP's guerilla warfare cool

[safe trail]

@vast shore and communis china will have not just mao

the have the bolschevist

[vast shore]

yes

I know

but mao seemed better for military stuff

while the bolsheviks give economic buffsa

[safe trail]

on steam you see you have the choice guerilla And normal warfare

@vast shore https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/3796260/6aaf7fc1f5ae73f5af9bdc8c585d97366700a18e/ss_6aaf7fc1f5ae73f5af9bdc8c585d97366700a18e.jpg?t=1758818265

from KMT china we have seen nothing I am so Hyped

[vast shore]

Yes

but I want to know

how you can interact with japan

like send guerilla's inside japanese territory

[safe trail]

tommorow we now

[vast shore]

Yes

I really hope we can spawn units inside them

but I doubt that

[safe trail]

mabye -90 reinforcments organisation and such stuff +72 hours for reinforcments to come to battle

[vast shore]

Hmm

We'll see

[drifting star]

I don’t think there will be a diary tomorrow

Usually they say something the day before

[fresh cedar]

They basically already did so probably will be last

[fresh cedar]

Chak released a leak this morning

[drifting star]

My bad

[fresh cedar]

Commie China 😮‍💨

[brittle venture]

red china

but theres also more red china in the back

[wooden wyvern]

Pretty sure thats shandong

You can see east hebei japan in the background

And im pretty sure thats the yellow river hes standing on

[safe trail]

hebei chaar is red

[wooden wyvern]

No the japan part

The one thats whote

White

Manchukuo is right behind it

[safe trail]

oh this could be sahdong

shandong

[rocky oasis]

Forget Hirohito’s glow up in this DLC, look at Peng Dehuai’s glow up.

[polar jasper]

I still miss the painted style that the older portraits had.

But yeah, the new one looks nice

[hollow coral]

True it does make the game feel unique

But compared to the new ones it feels a bit flat

[barren tusk]

Today we will have?

[hollow coral]

either prc or roc

[vast shore]

commie china diary

[wise oxide]

today is one of the days ever

[barren tusk]

Ohhh

Since is commi china we will only have historical cuz alt is just china no?

[hollow coral]

What?

[barren tusk]

We will have alt communist china?

Since china (the main) will have it

[hollow coral]

I doubt roc would have a communist path as what is the point in playing the chinese soviet republic

Also csr will have historical, soviet aligned path and democratic communist path

[willow root]

we do have alt content

28 bolsheviks and zhang guotao are getting paths

[willow root]

communism through left kmt maybe?

[safe trail]

communist china will only have communis path with diffrent flavour siad paradox

[vast shore]

We'll have different communists

[safe trail]

paths

said

[vast shore]

But thats all we know

We find out more in ~3,5h

[willow root]

prob left kmt then

there’s no way they get classified under democracy

wait you meant csr only gets communist paths

[safe trail]

i dont think so but germany has democratcy communist path

SPartacus

@willow root yes

[willow root]

well duh the csr will only get communist paths

it took ages for ussr to get a white russian path

[safe trail]

Paradox said Communischina gets only communist paths

[willow root]

plus there was no democratic opposition from inside csr

[safe trail]

@willow root maybe we get democartc communist like germany

[willow root]

not really?

none of the figures in csr were really that democratic

social democracy wasnt a thing in china either

[safe trail]

Zang Lang

we get a demo path

[willow root]

who is zang lol

[safe trail]

for kmt

china 100000%

[willow root]

zang isnt even a chinese surname

[safe trail]

Communist Party of China {{{1}}} Communist Focus only Zhang Lan Communist China No, can come to power via the Social DemocracySocial Democracy focus.

is in game for communist china

The Social Democracy national focus and all focuses following it are based around the idea of co-operating with the nationalists by forging a coalition government between Flag of Communist China Communist China and Flag of China Nationalist China and then subverting the political system from within to gain control that way. Choosing this path will remove Mao Zedong from power and replace him with Zhang Lan and Communist China will enter into a power struggle with nationalist China for political leadership over China. They will never be able to take the national focus Proclaim the People's Republic and form the Flag of People's Republic of China People's Republic of China but if Communist China wins the power struggle, they will annex Nationalist China.

[willow root]

zhang

there we go

[safe trail]

maybe a sutch flavour

[willow root]

dang that’s kind of a boring path

[safe trail]

they rework the entire focus tree

[hollow coral]

It is

[safe trail]

so maybe he is now fun

[willow root]

he was basically the leader of the china democratic league

[willow root]

it isnt

[safe trail]

@willow root or he is now in Nationalstic china

[hollow coral]

❓

[vast shore]

Do you know where they said that by any chance?

[willow root]

youre probably thinking of 张

[hollow coral]

zang is a word

[safe trail]

@vast shore Dev corner china

[hollow coral]

Multiple words

Zang is a last name

[vast shore]

I see

[willow root]

are there any examples of a guy with the surname zang

[safe trail]

PRC will have different flavors of Communism, while the Nationalists will have other options available to them. We're updating the content for China besides adding the re-worked trees for the Communists and the Nationalists.

[hollow coral]

藏

[safe trail]

@vast shore PRC will have different flavors of Communism, while the Nationalists will have other options available to them. We're updating the content for China besides adding the re-worked trees for the Communists and the Nationalists.

[willow root]

damn 241st most

that is extremely uncommon

[hollow coral]

Still a surname

Any chinese pinyin can be last name

[willow root]

he was thinking of zhang though

[hollow coral]

Yes

[vast shore]

"different flavours" and it's literally just Mao or the 28 Bolsheviks (2 flavours)

[hollow coral]

Zhang lan

[vast shore]

[safe trail]

and No, we we're not adding any new warlords focus trees, but we are updating the existing one and adding a few things.

[willow root]

zhang guotao is one

[safe trail]

@vast shore nah they shown us not annithing

[vast shore]

Fair

[willow root]

he led a separate army and only arrived at the csr later

[vast shore]

Alright we'll know

[hollow coral]

Zhang guotao will probably be a leader in the 28 bolsheviks path

[willow root]

after trying to start a failed base in sichuan against orders

[hollow coral]

Roc shouldnt get a communist path imo

[willow root]

iirc he wasnt aligned with him though

28 bolsheviks were all educated in moscow pretty much

[safe trail]

The Society of Practice of the Three Principles of the People, or more commonly known as the Blue Shirt Society, didn’t amount to much historically beyond being viewed as a rabble by Madame Chiang, but maybe they could have. We’ve chosen to imagine what this organization, under Dai Li, could achieve if they would have been more organised like their European counterparts. The warlords will be hard to convince of your leadership so maybe a more direct route will be needed.

KMT fasist china

[hollow coral]

Regurgitating information

[willow root]

literally not far from irl

[safe trail]

And wang jingwei

[hollow coral]

Chiang could probably be the leader for all ideologies barring communist

[safe trail]

For a long time, the most viable adversary within the KMT to Chiang was Wang Jingwei, more known to the world as a Japanese puppet leader. But what if something would happen to Chiang, say in Xi’an for example, could Wang have stepped forward? Unlike Chiang, Wang is more of a politician and thus his focus isn’t the army which Chiang had secured the loyalty of through a decade of Whampoa Military Academy leadership. Instead, Wang’s power base is made up from the institutions of state: the Yuans. Don’t believe that Wang is building up institutions for the goal of a functioning state though, he is a shrewd powerbroker who puts his own people in power and is willing to cross some lines to solidify his own power before dealing with foreign threats.

[hollow coral]

Holy copy and paste

[safe trail]

wang

[willow root]

yeah authoritarian under people’s tutelage, fascist if he just completely doesnt constitutionalise or slips into a worse dictatorship, and democratic if he adheres to sun yat sen

[hollow coral]

Mb

[willow root]

what is his ideology in game

[hollow coral]

Hes fascist

But can be non aligned if chiang is executed

[willow root]

even if he takes over after chiang?

ah yeah

thought so

[safe trail]

@willow root Mybe he has 3 diffrent ideology Demo Communist and non

[willow root]

he rabidly hated communists later in his life

that avenue was already over for him

[safe trail]

@hollow coral nah he is all 3

[hollow coral]

Just because wang was left wing doesnt mean he was communist

[safe trail]

@willow root when he was young he was LEFT KMT

[hollow coral]

The kmt itself was inherently a socialist party

[willow root]

he failed to cooperate with the ccp and it ruined his career

[hollow coral]

But not a communist

[willow root]

so he ended up hating communism

[hollow coral]

Dirty quisling sold our country to japan

[willow root]

also yeah this lmao

[safe trail]

@hollow coral he tried to work with all factions

[willow root]

it only became rightist under chiang

[safe trail]

he is all 4 ideology

100%

[willow root]

pragmatic cooperation with all sides does not make you all those ideologies

he was never a communist and neither did he claim to be

[hollow coral]

What is that logic

And why would roc be able to become communist

[safe trail]

Catch it all Parties

popular in todays politics

[hollow coral]

😮‍💨

[safe trail]

wang is a Populist

[willow root]

eight years war of resistance simulates it well

roc can go socialist in that

[hollow coral]

Yeah

[safe trail]

KMT china will have all ideologies

[hollow coral]

In vanilla it would be demsoc

[willow root]

i think so too

[willow root]

i just dont get communism that much

communists never really had a chance to take over by then apart from armed revolution

[safe trail]

maybe im wrong with communist

KMT china will not be monarchist (I HOPE)

[hollow coral]

My idea for a kmt tree would be

[willow root]

they probably will have a schizo monarch path tbh 😭

[safe trail]

i love Shizo paths but not the KMT give the warlods sutch paths

[hollow coral]

Democratic by choosing the more centre and leftist politicans or chiang and creating a pan asian nation like sun envisioned

A kmt aligned fascist path with either chiang or dai li taking leadership

Historical

And maybe something like wangjingwei couping the government and working with japan

Non aligned/fascist branch

[willow root]

pan asianism is actually so based

[safe trail]

imean we get for mandchuko All paths MOnarchist democraticy monarchist democracy Communist and " faschist paths

[hollow coral]

Could work for all paths

[willow root]

pan asianism without the entirety of asia being traumatised by the 'co-prosperity sphere'

blessed

[willow root]

democratic manchukou

what

[hollow coral]

Chinese pan asianism

[willow root]

😭

[hollow coral]

There is a beiyang government path

[safe trail]

@willow root yeah you can reinstall the beyang rebublic

[hollow coral]

But that may be more non aligned

[willow root]

how do they break away from japan

in the first place

[hollow coral]

Beiyang refers to the beiyang army

[hollow coral]

Independance path subbranch

[willow root]

i mean

the people are starved for manchukou content, they will receive food 🤷‍♂️

[hollow coral]

It should be non aligned imo

Theres also a constitutional puyi focus

[willow root]

it should at least start non aligned

[hollow coral]

So maybe thats the democratic focus

[hollow coral]

Obviously

[safe trail]

1 is fachist 2 is Faschist 3 Is absoult monarchist 4 is Constituell MOnarchist 5 democraticy 6Communist

[hollow coral]

How are you so sure the beiyang government path is democratic

[outer whale]

Judging as its pretty much based on previous design it screams with 70 days focuses

[willow root]

of course lmao

we're gonna get like 2 35 day focuses

[safe trail]

you depose pujy you recuit the bandits who where democrats and anarchist

[willow root]

so uh

the japanese just let that happen?

[hollow coral]

Its already ingame

[outer whale]

Depose him from what lol

[safe trail]

@willow root indipendnce war

[outer whale]

He was literally imprisoned

[hollow coral]

*in his palace

[safe trail]

@outer whale and you puge the leader council of manchuria

[willow root]

i would never know

vanilla hoi4 is hell

[outer whale]

Yes where he wasnt allowed to leave

[hollow coral]

Illusion of freedom

[willow root]

formally remove him from his figurehead position

[safe trail]

@willow root you ned to fight japan and white peace them out

[willow root]

and disestablish the monarchy

[willow root]

ah ok

funny how they couldnt even do that for the indian independence paths

[safe trail]

you see you allied with the bandits

[willow root]

unless they managed to fix it

[outer whale]

Because japan didn't trust manchurian army

Most of the army personnel served under KMT

[hollow coral]

You mean the kwantung army?

[outer whale]

No

[hollow coral]

Nvm

[outer whale]

Kwantung is the Japenese army

[willow root]

nah they would've mostly been warlord armies

[outer whale]

Manchuria had its own army

[hollow coral]

I mean the kwantung basically acted independently

[willow root]

even the kmt aligned personnel were dubious in loyalty

[hollow coral]

Imperial manchukuo army

[outer whale]

Yes

[safe trail]

the bandits in game make you industrie and other things ussles and in the independence path you can recuit them

[outer whale]

They were only given garrison duties

[outer whale]

Yes which would make sense to ally with them

[safe trail]

the bandits where exiled nobels exilded chinas nobels Democ communist and anarchist

[outer whale]

So you can kick japenese out

[willow root]

exactly

[hollow coral]

what are you even saying?

[willow root]

ok i dont know what's happening at this point

[safe trail]

the bandits nín manchuria who foughts against japan

[willow root]

are you spanish or smth

[hollow coral]

Anyways the communist path for manchukuo involved the cpc aligned bandits taking over

Led by zhao shangzhi

[safe trail]

the bandits in manchuria who fought against japan

[willow root]

wtf after

[safe trail]

@willow root dyslexia

[willow root]

is there reunification with the csr

[hollow coral]

Yes

Its combining with the csr i assume

[willow root]

oh i see

[hollow coral]

To create the prc

[safe trail]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fmanchukuos-updated-focus-tree-from-the-recent-stream-v0-zdcg7macaivf1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0724ab4bcfcc2e625ca8fd6bc23a0381b454d40d

a better lock

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1o8bm5k/manchukuos_reworked_focus_tree_from_todays/#lightbox

Proclaim the peeople rebublic

[hollow coral]

I assume all advisors and generals will also transfer over after “proclaim the peoples republic”

[willow root]

unless they horrendously miscode it yeah

[hollow coral]

Nah its the A team

[willow root]

then we can only hope for the best

[safe trail]

a ise white russian advidsors i see semenjov

[hollow coral]

There is a focus for white russian advisors in the independence path

[safe trail]

but with new icons

the old icon is generic

after this expansion pass i hope we get another one with France UK and usa

ireland focus tree aso please

[hollow coral]

Maybe not france

But a uk, us and commonwealth dlc would be peak

[safe trail]

france update the focus tree is horible 70 days please and alt history is boring

the have no good alt history path

[hollow coral]

Cant do that without la resistance integration

[safe trail]

and ireland i want to play as IRA

@hollow coral next year mark my words la resistance will be intigreatet

[hollow coral]

✌️ 😮‍💨

[safe trail]

focus trees i want in game France UK USA Ireland rework south africa and maybe flouver for egypt

[hollow coral]

Honestly i believe egypt should be in a theatre pack with morocco and tunisia

Then a uk us dlc would include ireland, south africa, canada and new zealand

[safe trail]

yes

would be nice

and USA the tree is bad

[hollow coral]

Says everyone

[safe trail]

the usa has Generic advidsor

and alt history is boring and historical aso

[hollow coral]

Well a us dlc will certainly come after expansion pass 2

[safe trail]

yes r expansion pass 3 Usa Single dlc Maybe UK dlc with ireland, south africa, canada and new zealand and maybe a flouver pack for africa

or france in single dlc and usa in uk dlc

[hollow coral]

Nah they wouldnt have a dlc with one country

[safe trail]

@hollow coral do you forgett chezchia

Czech Republic

[hollow coral]

Thats a focus pack

Majors are different

[safe trail]

maybe focus pack for france or usa

[thick edge]

That one is really more of a test I believe

[safe trail]

Luxemburg with france

ahhahaha

[hollow coral]

They would probably add others

*when they integrate LaR

[safe trail]

mayve update not rework for portugal and spain

[hollow coral]

Yeah

Maybe netherlands too

Not the best

[safe trail]

yeah monarchist is bad to get you need to be at war

mexico update

[hollow coral]

Its probably meant to be played on historical

[safe trail]

yeah but most want to play a historical or at leasst want to try all paths

[coral drift]

Aww neat, another "Merry Band" scenario
Would like for more of this "rise from the ashes" branches if possible, ahahaha

[coral drift]

The South African and NZ tree:

[safe trail]

oh my

they suck

they need reworks

[hollow coral]

Whats funny is that nz has more generals than saf

[safe trail]

hhaaha yes

[coral drift]

NZ got left out from this expansion pass (for now)

Still hoping for a Manchukuo-style small reworks

[safe trail]

@coral drift we get one

[hollow coral]

Justice for them and malaya

[coral drift]

Small rework for NZ in TaoG, in the style of Manchukuo rework for NCNS

[safe trail]

nah NZ need a big one

[hollow coral]

They didnt have a fascist party

The communist party was pretty small

Maybe a schizo maori path?

[wise oxide]

what paths will the PRC have? and ROC will both have communist neutral fash and democratic paths

[coral drift]

Just make the historical path good

Also a proper alternate path when Edward clings on and the Dominions breaks away

[wise oxide]

i hope they will make prc fun and strong so they actually could beat the ROC post war

[safe trail]

@wise oxide diffrent flavours of communism

said in the dev corner to china

or they changed plans

[wise oxide]

sad that germany and soviets dont have democratic paths

[safe trail]

they have

?

[wise oxide]

the current one is hilariously bad

[safe trail]

@wise oxide germany has dem

[wise oxide]

is it good?

[safe trail]

yes

you share with the monarchist path

[wise oxide]

how did i miss it i tought it was only a thing in road to 56

[safe trail]

götterdäümmerung germany has aso communist

[wise oxide]

2 hours

[hollow coral]

Tbh the dominions should not break away if edward becomes king

Like sure he was unpopular amongst the colonies but they wouldnt break away

[hollow coral]

Its talking about csr😭

[safe trail]

csr is communist

?

[hollow coral]

Csr will have different flavours of communism

[hushed lion]

Germany does?

[wise oxide]

surprisingly yes

but its not huge

but oretty solid still

road to 56 mod is cooking up a great german focustree rework for most paths

[hushed lion]

It wasn't meant to be a question I probably phrased it incorrectly. I was trying to state that gemrany does infact have a democratic path in a confused tone

[wise oxide]

then dont use the question mark dear sugar

[hollow coral]

I mean the tree is shared with the monarchist path that has around the same focuses if not counting the naval section

[stuck gate]

When next dev diary?

[hollow coral]

Probably in the next few days

[wise oxide]

1 hour

[fresh cedar]

Has pretty good research buffs yeah. It’s a constitutional monarchy similar to the UK

[fresh cedar]

It’s a correct use of a question mark just hard to pick-up tone from text

[wise oxide]

true because we hear text in our heads and cant always guess what the other person meant

[hollow coral]

I feel like you can interpret it

As like they are confused

[fresh cedar]

Looking forward to the warlord/PRC diary

[hollow coral]

How much content would the warlords realistically get

Xinjiang seems to be getting a few spirits

Maybe shandong and guangdong would get some too

The twenty one demands is 21 day focus ✌️

[wise oxide]

67 day focus to import mangoes🫱🏻

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/21-gif-20187208

[hollow coral]

Just checked on the livestream unfortunately guangdong and shandong dont have unique spirits

But that may be subject to change

[wise oxide]

yet

maybe

[hushed lion]

They will have the warlord trees alteast

[hollow coral]

Otherwise all the leaders get traits

[wise oxide]

i mean obiously different ethnic warlords have to be different

[hollow coral]

Imo a warlord pack would be unnecessary

[hushed lion]

Yeah

It's better to have siam content by far

[hollow coral]

Sichuan gets something like the whampoa military academy and another spirit with some guys

Maybe could be representing how sichuan was pretty split

Qinghai ma also gets two spirits

An anti communist looking one and another whampoa spirit

Xinjiang gets a few

[hushed lion]

New sheng portrait

[hollow coral]

The first one seems to be a spirit that khotan ma and kumul get

Which is a war modifier?

[hushed lion]

The one with the hat

[hollow coral]

5th and 6th could be something related to soviet influence

[hollow coral]

No i meant the one with flags

[wise oxide]

olso what are these flags

[safe trail]

the flags are nice

[wise oxide]

yes but are they real

[hollow coral]

I made my own versions of the flags

[hollow coral]

nope

[wise oxide]

show

[safe trail]

kummal khanat yeah

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/kaiserreich/images/4/4e/Kumul_Khanate.png/revision/latest?cb=20191010115433

[hollow coral]

Mostly based on the eigth route army flag

[hollow coral]

This is from kaiserreich

[safe trail]

@hollow coral oh yes now i saw it

[hollow coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971360992200118333/1428356572651720865/New_36th_Division.png?ex=68f8cbb8&is=68f77a38&hm=c1489be4a10c2ff92d10e08d436ecd911f70623ccdfcc647a3a4aae6be968b0d&

[wise oxide]

ngl too similar cant tell

[safe trail]

Yulbars Khan

[hollow coral]

The warlords couldve had their own flags but they are probably obscure or never recorded

[safe trail]

lived until 1971

Yulbars Khan 13 August 1889 – 27 July 1971)

[hollow coral]

Either that or they used the roc flag

[safe trail]

in taiwan

[hollow coral]

Fair enough

But they are atleast realistic

Enough

[vast shore]

30 more min

[hollow coral]

It might not be today

They usually say something on twitter or reddit like a teaser beforehand

[safe trail]

@vast shore maybe not today

they said nothing

they sai ine day before

say one

[vast shore]

You all are weak

Im a believer

Plus one of the guys dropped a teaser yesterday so

[pseudo wing]

one of the guys?

im just one of the guy's to you?

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-movie-fall-falling-meme-gif-24396824 - Chak as being known as one of the guys

[safe trail]

ok maybe today hahhahaha

@fresh cedar yes good kill xenos

for the emperor

[vast shore]

I actually forgot your name and I didn't know how to find it

[fresh cedar]

Tsu-tey was like the only valid Na’vi 😭

[vast shore]

But you're precious to me for delivering me a China teaser

[safe trail]

@fresh cedar iam for the marines

[fresh cedar]

The ones that got clapped by animals?

[safe trail]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Weak

[safe trail]

death to the xenos

the Emperor protects

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[safe trail]

the navi have plotarmmor 50000

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-tyranid-space-marines-titus-gif-4053401268298780302

[fresh cedar]

Their planet is run by a sentient biomechanical god 😂

[safe trail]

yeah next time orbital bombartment

[fresh cedar]

Idk why the RDA didn’t just use defoliants and chemical weapons

[fresh cedar]

Kinda defeats the purpose of terraforming it as a new home

[safe trail]

yes

@fresh cedar not really i mean in real life we have tactial atomic bombs etc

[fresh cedar]

Avatar/Pandora hoi4 mod would go hard

[safe trail]

hhaha yes

Avatar is a movie about someone who betrayed his entire race just to clap some alien cheeks....

the humans in avatar are the good guys

[pseudo wing]

You....you mean my name which is at the top of the member list the entire day?

this guy, they hate me

[vast shore]

Yeah but Im too lazy to check

[wise oxide]

you will be the guy if you give us more

wait you already are the guy

[fading walrus]

new generals

[vast shore]

@pseudo wing Fine

From henceforth you're not one of the guys

you're THE guy

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-dolphin-pink-dolphin-gif-7385678

[vast shore]

[hollow coral]

Thank you for blessing me with this

🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[fading walrus]

we got a female general too

[barren tusk]

I finished reading the dev diary you can delete it

[hollow coral]

Two actually

[pseudo wing]

on it

let me just remove it from steam now too

[hollow coral]

Li zhen

[fading walrus]

also raids are vital now

like the milita divs can do raids

[safe trail]

so we have 3 path of communism

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1375147/Dd_comchina_006.png

new warlord

[hushed lion]

China should be renamed to republic of China

[vast shore]

female representation in my epic war slaughter simulator 😎

[safe trail]

next week i hope Nationaltic china and warlods we have seen nothing for kmt china

[hushed lion]

Damn the general list is long

[cosmic falcon]

I hope we get Nationalist China next week.

[safe trail]

me too

we have seen nothing about them expet chiang new potrait

[hollow coral]

You forgot about zhang qinqiu

[vast shore]

I SEE GUERILLA WARFARE SHIT

I AM APPEASED

[solid gyro]

Warlords will get basically nothing im predicting

As long as they keep my man Ma Bufang in it then I’m happy tbh

[hollow coral]

warlord leaders get uniqye traits

Some have unique national spirits

But we will see how the “updated” warlord tree will look

[solid gyro]

I mean focuses

I feel like they’ll neglect them again

Considering there’s so many more

[hollow coral]

They said they will get some uodates

[solid gyro]

It’ll be copy and paste

For em all

[hollow coral]

Well yeah they are not really all that important

Giving them each their own tree would be overkill

[solid gyro]

True…

I just hope they don’t do a goe and mess it up

[vast shore]

You cant spawn guerilla units inside Japan, just stat modifiers

[hushed lion]

Thr loss of skibidi san ma is a great loss

[vast shore]

Im emotionally fine guys

I swear

[solid gyro]

The ma clique?

[hushed lion]

Japan is rightfully Chinese! What do you mean you can't have guerillas?!

[hushed lion]

Xibei san ma yes

[solid gyro]

oh yeah the Three Ma of the Northwest 😭

I forgot people called them that

[hushed lion]

That is the in game name

[solid gyro]

I use a mod that changes it to their actual name 💔

[hushed lion]

Which is none since they weren't one country

[solid gyro]

random chinese mod moment

[solid gyro]

They were collectively the Ma Clique at one point

That’s what the mod renames them to

[polar ocean]

all information of cpc is from wiki?

[hushed lion]

What?

[polar ocean]

Many mistakes

[hushed lion]

Wouldn't be surprising really that paradox does something poorly researched

[polar ocean]

start with this

cpc is voluntary military service system

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

Mood actually decreased slightly

[winter tartan]

It is understandable. The China war is supposed to last for years, after all

[vast shore]

Yes so havinh guerilla fighters that can sabotage the frontline would work out plus its historical

[hollow coral]

Its good that they removed the pseudo shared tree

[polar ocean]

The second is this export bill

[winter tartan]

I am not sure they have

[winter tartan]

It did appear in Manchukuo last week

I believe

[hollow coral]

I doubt they would include that relic

[polar ocean]

The CPC at that time had trade with warlords

[hollow coral]

The focuses dont make sense to be in prc

[vast shore]

@pseudo wing Is there anything we can do

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-asyjdauu-gif-16491934308297234021

Or is it set in stone

[polar ocean]

It is a mistake to tie special goods to opium.

[hollow coral]

Is this opium focus from a mod

[polar ocean]

no

I took a screenshot from the announcement

[hollow coral]

Ah its from the diary

[hushed lion]

Yeah I always found that odd how it has mandatory for some reason

[polar ocean]

The CPC at that time would coordinate the army to assist in farming

So even if the number of military personnel does account for a high proportion, it will not affect production.

But it is indeed a voluntary military service system.

[polar ocean]

yes

At that time, special goods were actually many strategic resources that were restricted from sale by the CPC.

[safe trail]

you can become democratic at the end

[polar ocean]

Opium cannot fully describe

[safe trail]

with reform the rebulic

[hollow coral]

I think a unique manpower modifier should replace the consciption

[safe trail]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378119/1761053950436.png

[polar ocean]

Agree

[winter tartan]

Apparently, somehow. There is no mention whatsoever to how you do that

[safe trail]

@winter tartan yes it is you must reform the republic

You have the choice after the premierminister focus

[winter tartan]

By the way, by the time you reach that it will be already 1955. They should really do some work towards making the game run smoother. The Kaiserreich limitator seems appropriate

[polar ocean]

Special goods can be summarized as necessities for other warlord regimes

[hollow coral]

I will always be choosing the chinese century focus🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[polar ocean]

Opium is indeed one of them

[safe trail]

the ther focus is called the party build then you stay communist

[polar ocean]

But more than just opium

[safe trail]

so we have democratic hina nice

china

[hollow coral]

It doesnt actually say anything about turning democratic

[polar ocean]

Salt Babupi cigarettes, etc.

[hollow coral]

Which makes sense

[safe trail]

@hollow coral yes it does

@hollow coral you need to be democratic

[hollow coral]

Why would the respectively communist country be able to turn democrstic

Didnt see that

Idk

[safe trail]

@hollow coral https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378119/1761053950436.png

[polar ocean]

The logic revealed by the entire national policy is that the CPC is using opium to make money to train soldiers

[safe trail]

Reform the rebublic or party controll party controll is communist reform is democraticy

[fresh cedar]

HD complete tree

[polar ocean]

Are the historical investigators from Taiwan?

[safe trail]

You can become democratic???

I mean.... Yeah? :p

[winter tartan]

Fire. I hope the KMT is as good or even better

[polar ocean]

This is exactly the same as the arguments in Taiwan historical materials.

[safe trail]

from the comments

in the dev diary

You can become democratic???

I mean.... Yeah? :p

[hollow coral]

Although i would never turn democratic as the prc

I will always be choosing the chinese century

🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[fresh cedar]

Doesn’t that path let you core Asia?

[hollow coral]

Idk

Seems like an alliance thing

[safe trail]

@hollow coral

[whole arch]

They changed Chinas color, very sad day 😔

[polar ocean]

I strongly hope that the production staff will change the concept that special goods = opium

[hollow coral]

Yes yes i can see it bud

[polar ocean]

This concept is so stupid.

[hushed lion]

It is upsetting that china can't seem to unite east Asia like Japan can

[hollow coral]

Honestly i would just mod it

[polar ocean]

Other discussions can be postponed

[hollow coral]

Well the cpc is not promoting pan asianism

[polar ocean]

Opium = Specialty Goods How stupid

[hollow coral]

Like the kmt

[fresh cedar]

Huh?

[hushed lion]

Isn't that just a faction?

[hollow coral]

The chinese century is upon us

Rejoice

[safe trail]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378117/1761053927827.png

[hushed lion]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gun-american-century-of-humiliation-gif-14231870859436673955

[fresh cedar]

I think its goal is to puppet Asia. And can probably integrate them like the European economic union

[safe trail]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378118/1761053938912.png

here the china century

[hushed lion]

Fair enough

[winter tartan]

PRC wasn't panasianist

Not every country needs a formable with cores in half the world

[hushed lion]

Yeah but since when does hoi4 care about historical accuracy

[fresh cedar]

Hence why there’s a path that isn’t really PRC

This isn’t PRC

[hollow coral]

Rn

[hushed lion]

Also cause china already has far too much manpower

[safe trail]

@fresh cedar https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1378118/1761053938912.png

[hollow coral]

Its basically like soviets

[fresh cedar]

Why did you tag me 😭

I’m not talking about that focus

[hollow coral]

I think he wants to prove a point to everyone

[polar ocean]

There are too many historical fallacies in the entire CPC national policy

[fresh cedar]

ADU seems pan-Asianist

[polar ocean]

It's crazy

[fresh cedar]

What is

[hollow coral]

You know what gets the gears turning for me?

[polar ocean]

Opium = Special Goods

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[hollow coral]

I usually go into the files and change the localisation to be more sccurate

I did that for iran with sumka

[polar ocean]

I would rather Paradox change it than let me make a mod myself

[fresh cedar]

Believe it or not they didn’t just have the ability to profit from opium

Other narcotics existed

[fresh cedar]

Tbh this is such a non issue 😭

[hollow coral]

First world problems

I usually just fix it myself

[fresh cedar]

You know it’s a good tree when people have to focus on localization for opium

[hollow coral]

Like with a lot of other gfx related stuff

[winter tartan]

This one is a bit weaker but may be a larp too

[polar ocean]

Indeed

[fresh cedar]

I interpret the 3 end goals as war, neutrality, and Asian unification/democracy

[hollow coral]

Im not a psycho so i would rarely go this

[polar ocean]

But just because opium is a special commodity doesn't mean all special commodities are opium.

[winter tartan]

This is late game stuff

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-venom-xray-eddie-brock-gif-26261019

[willow root]

me when i actually want my country to be represented accurately

[hushed lion]

How many times are going to repost the same image in a row?

[fresh cedar]

What part isn’t?

[hollow coral]

Nah your thinking of someone else

[willow root]

the fact that opium is represented as the only component of special goods when they were only one type within it

[fresh cedar]

Commie propaganda in China will have you believe they owned the whole world in 1936 but it fractured like Kaiserreich bc capitalism

[polar ocean]

I have excerpted a document from the CPC at that time for your reference.

[fresh cedar]

Hence the name change no?

[hollow coral]

Yall gfx modding is easy as

[willow root]

er

are you sure this is not just cia propaganda making you say this

[fresh cedar]

The focus literally changed from opium to special goods.

[hushed lion]

Yeah

[willow root]

pretty sure the restrictions irl were mainly on opium

not special goods in general

[hollow coral]

Can we move on from the opium its getting old

[fresh cedar]

We still remember how you guys went ape shit over the Silk Road empire and coring Tibet 😂

[hushed lion]

This country believes "x" thing how stupid!

[willow root]

anarchist spain can core the world lmao

its not that big of a deal dude

[fresh cedar]

Meanwhile as an American I don’t go feral at the idea of Mexico coring half the USA

[willow root]

i dont personally care abt it

[willow root]

does mexico own half the usa today?

[hollow coral]

Its because you are secretly a mexican irredentist

[willow root]

what is your point here

theres tonnes of ahistorical stuff and china just wants historical cores

[fresh cedar]

Quebec reviving Louisiana territory when

[hushed lion]

Something something china bad I guess?

[willow root]

exactly it aint even that deep

they pretend like the ccp bots are swarming paradox when they genuinely act like bots too

[hushed lion]

The Soviets should be able to core east Poland, the baltics and Moldova with compliance

[fresh cedar]

Isn’t special goods more encompassing though? Like it actually covers everything not just the main

[hollow coral]

No point honestly

[willow root]

pretty sure they cant because of the forest brothers uprising after ww2

the resistance lasted a long time

[fresh cedar]

Same with China coring Tibet tbh

[hushed lion]

Fair enough

[fresh cedar]

Goes from 540 mil manpower to 541

[willow root]

ig so?

[willow root]

it’s seen as a statement by paradox on modern tibet

[rocky oasis]

Wait, so is the argument that the special goods focus should be renamed or that the art work should depict more than just opium?

[hollow coral]

Idk man

The opium is getting okd

[fresh cedar]

They want it to say opium

[hollow coral]

Surely there is something better to take away from it other then the opium

Something easily fixable by just doing it yourself

[fresh cedar]

That’s why I said it’s a good tree if that’s a main complaint

[polar ocean]

I want to say that special goods do not mean opium

[hollow coral]

Lets move on

[fresh cedar]

“War on drugs in MD should be War on Fentanyl not all drugs!!!” Same logic

[rocky oasis]

How is opium not a special good?

[polar ocean]

I think it's important

[polar ocean]

It is part of

[winter tartan]

Spain with S of Strong Pain

[hollow coral]

I saw a reddit post regarding the diarchy portrait before it was fully revealed and people thought mao was kim il sung😭

[polar ocean]

But not all

[fresh cedar]

They literally have the picture of opium, that’s enough

[polar ocean]

No

[willow root]

lmao imagine if it was called the ‘war on muslims’ instead of the ‘war on terror’

[rocky oasis]

So, would it be better if the art depicted more special goods alongside opium?

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[hushed lion]

I also sorta believed it when Korea was its own starting nation

[fresh cedar]

When Pdx doesn’t mention opium

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-venom-xray-eddie-brock-gif-26261019

[polar ocean]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

That’s the logic though 😭

[hollow coral]

But its neat that kim il sung will get a portrait

[willow root]

the other way around actually

[rocky oasis]

Okay. Thank you.

[fresh cedar]

Can Korea even fracture like it did historically?

[willow root]

he is arguing that special goods is too wide and it should be restricted to only ‘opium’