latest-updates

[fresh cedar]

What made GOE especially difficult on release were the game breaking bugs that ruined every match you tried

Like your enemy would randomly flip to Allie’s. Or the allies would somehow puppet you without war. Or you’d get flat out annexed by one of the other countries

[solid gyro]

Fredda intervenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnySV4SZdqg&pp=ygULZnJlZGRhIGhvaTQ%3D

[dense gale]

paradox games obviously cant

[fading walrus]

Fredda mentioned 🤢

[dense gale]

they are a sandbox game

[fading walrus]

same goes for most historical Total wars except Attila

because that one is more on rails

and is a survival game

espically as the Western Roman and Eastern Roman Empires

[solid gyro]

Victoria 3 is about colonization, slavery and war crimes

[fading walrus]

so is Empire total war

and Rome I and II total war

and Attila

given how you can sack, colonize and enslave settlements

[solid gyro]

there you can kill Circassians

and the game has you choose what to do with them

[fading walrus]

yeah and you can raze whole settlements in Attila and leave them unhabitial

and you do have a choice

[solid gyro]

Hoi4 is different

[fading walrus]

Ok leftist

[solid gyro]

I am not a leftist

in fact a centrist

[fading walrus]

then why do you like Fredda

I abosulutely despise the man as he is creeping more towards leftist authotarism

[solid gyro]

He says that talking about the Circassian issue but not about the plans the Nazis had about the local populace, especially the Jews (with Japan having the Chinese)

[fading walrus]

because it would get pulled from shelves

[solid gyro]

Yeah

how does Vic3 stand up ?

[fading walrus]

haven't played

but what I was trying to say was Attila has warcrimes in it too

like its the ONLY total war game to have civilians in the streets of settlement battles

[solid gyro]

the thing is that the events are more relatively recent and personal

[fading walrus]

thats whataboutism

[solid gyro]

there are mods for the game where they remind you that you are indeed playing the villain and punishes you for it, especially as Japan and Germany

[fading walrus]

okay then why does Rome not count even though they killed 1/3 and enslaved antoher 1/3 of the Gallic population in Gaul

but Victoria III and EU4 count because of colonialism

[solid gyro]

these directly attributed to our era

and our issues

[fading walrus]

so is Caesars conquest of Gaul

France was created out of it

thats why French is a Latin language

[polar jasper]

Brutal Occupation resistance law is closest thing to them being the bad guy

No war crimes allowed

[fading walrus]

Romes destruction of Carthage pretty much guartenned that they would be the domiant in the West

[solid gyro]

Absolutely

[fading walrus]

which still affects us 1900 years later

[polar jasper]

They actually had to rename a Japanese focus in the dev diary because of the meaning behind it

[fading walrus]

to say that anceint history has no bearing on the modern day is gross ignorance

[polar jasper]

Boom, butterfly effect

[fading walrus]

example: Islam wouldn't have been a major religion if the Rashidun Caliphate lost at Yarmouk in 638 AD

[polar jasper]

Example: Alexander the Great consumed too much alcohol and died instantly

Pesky liver failure due to excessive drinking over the years

[fading walrus]

good one that destabilized the East and inadverently led to Rome and Parthia filling the power vacuum centuries later

as the Seleucids and Ptolemies were busy fighting each other over Syria and Palestine constantly

thus weakening them

[solid gyro]

the problem is that not having the Nazis being hardcoded as the villains would lead to impressionable people who haven't learned history to perceive Nazi Germany as a symbol of power

(despite the fact that Hitler himself was just as irrational of a politician as Stalin)

[fading walrus]

same goes for the USSR, Italy and Communist China

[solid gyro]

the thing is that Germany started the war

[fading walrus]

USSR invaded the Baltics and Finland who were neutral

[solid gyro]

that was after the invasion of Poland

[fading walrus]

true but the USSR signed a deal with Germany agreeing to split land between them before WWII

and they did invade Poland on September 19th onwards too

also Japan asked Germany to help them fight the USSR right when the Molotov Ribbentrop pact was being signed as Kalkhin gol was going on

Germany said no

[solid gyro]

History isn't about things that just happened but also WHY they happened

[fading walrus]

true the reason Stalin wanted the Baltics was because of Russian Imperialism

in the Russian quest to get a warm water port which has intsensefied since 2014 again

but enough on that as I don't want to violate rule 2

[solid gyro]

also, was for the Soviets to get into a more favorable position before Barbarossa hit

had they not done so, They would've been overwhelemed easier

[fading walrus]

Germany couldn't have defeated the USSR TBH

even if they took Moscow they would have stalled and been pushed back

Germany would have to get past the Urals

which is impossible given how stretched their supply lines would be

given how worn out the panzer divisions in late 1941 were

the Ghost division or the 7th Panzer division was at less than 20% strength in December 1941 for example

[dense gale]

perhaps because ww2 is recent history

and are made by different teams

and vic 3 does not do history well lol

just because they let u do a genacide doesnt mean they did history

[fading walrus]

nor does EU4

given how Spain and Portugal will usually colonize Australia

[wise oxide]

😱 its a mod

we need grain next

[tranquil urchin]

ew bice

[thick edge]

It’s goated wdym

[tranquil urchin]

worst game design known to man

somehow worse than vanilla

[wise oxide]

i wish we will get this mechanic someday

[wooden wyvern]

idk how to explain this but i think the nazis might be the single most hardcoded villains in media ever

like

theyre never even told any stories from their own perspectives

if you wanna complain about someone not being potrayed as the bad guy you should be talking about literally every other major except maybe the ussr

[fading walrus]

the Last Tiger Battlefield V is the only one I can think of

but other than that the Nazis are portrayed as villans as they should be

[wooden wyvern]

we only know that now though tbf
like to anyone who was observing or even part of the war effort at the time it wouldve seemed like a very close fight

[digital pumice]

not even bice

average bice hater

doesnt even look similar to it

[digital pumice]

downfall movie

[wise oxide]

usa fr lured them in but at what cost

[polar jasper]

Kansas

[tranquil urchin]

k so lick my nuts

[digital pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[solid gyro]

Parker?

[fading walrus]

Alf landon ain’t gonna like this

[polar jasper]

No, I am not John Parker

I did help with his charity thing though

[solid gyro]

I'd recognize that stickman anywhere.

[polar jasper]

His stickman is green

[solid gyro]

Lmao

[waxen axle]

hey guys

do you think indochina will be updated with Hearts of Iron IV: Thunder at our Gates?

look at this cool idea

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/somewhat-reworked-indochina-in-the-next-dlc-1.1858373/

if not with the japan DLC

even if it will not be like congo or burma but atleast with updated states

what do you think?

I really hope paradox will update it to be more accurate

[hollow coral]

Tbh I think they added the shared Congo tree so Belgium can do something while in exile😅

But yes updated states would be needed

I mean Cambodia and Laos are one state

So they would need to be separated so Siam can carve it up

[solid gyro]

As for these two, maybe we can go with the Raj option where you either play as India or Pakistan when you do the split

This time, playing as Laos or Cambodia

[coral kraken]

When will publish China developer dairy
With all due respect

[hollow coral]

Probably sometime from Tuesday to Thursday

[coral kraken]

Hopefully

[smoky geode]

And he will be

[hollow coral]

I wonder after that focus will the prime minister be through events until you form the taisei yokunsankai

[smoky geode]

idk

but here should be two terms but it depends on how good you perform in China

[wise oxide]

ther better be historical nuke events leading to the end of the war

[vast shore]

Chat

What are we thinking will the next diary be about

Im thinking either nat. china or commie china

[hollow coral]

Probably roc

They’ve barely said anything about roc so it must be juicy

[vast shore]

See

Im biased

so I want commie china

but I do think it will be commie china

[hollow coral]

🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[vast shore]

Sorry I took a shit kek

the reason I think its commie china is

For one

in the DLC its mentioned first

and 2

in the dev corner they started with Comme China first

then nat. china

[brittle venture]

I mean its kinda more interesting to play

Minor to major

[vast shore]

yes

Im so hyped

for the guerilla warfare

Plus I got the Expansion Pass

B)

Wait a second

I just realized something

HOLD THE PHONE

Reading the old china dev diary

Guerilla units?

[hollow coral]

How would guerilla units work exactly though that’s the questions

Those might be irregular units with new icon

[vast shore]

Yes

thats what I mean

We never got that btw, they just lied to us

[hollow coral]

Wdym

[vast shore]

they never talked about the warlord changes

that was 2 months ago

[hollow coral]

Yeah upcoming dev diary

[vast shore]

Well

Yyeah

ah

I forgot they differenciate

between this

and dev diaries

"dev corners"

[polar jasper]

Just looks like a weaker division with a different icon

If the main is a 12 width division, this might be an 8 width

[vast shore]

the icon is unique

I assume it will be a different version of an irregular

militia

[polar jasper]

Yeah, so was many others in other updates

You got the sigma icon in ToA

Eastern Island head too

No new unit types

Just because they added new icons for divisions doesn't mean new units

Spain has like 5 different icons for their civil war and all they use are varying types of infantry

[vast shore]

mmg

true

but I do think they might be special

[nimble torrent]

I do wonder, regarding the doctrine rework, if the devs have scrapped the idea of Batallion Modifiers
As of right now each doctrine would change how a batallion works a bit (People's army gives extra suppression to cavalry on military police)
We did not see any such thing appear on the new system as of know afaik

Maybe they're hiding them behind the "operational" tracks instead of the other ones?

[fossil torrent]

What dev diaries can we expect this week I was sad only one last week

[hushed lion]

Machuckuo I hope

[vast shore]

We cant be sure

but my hope lays on china

maybe commie china

or maybe a feature like factions

[fresh cedar]

One a week is normal, has been for years.

But I don’t think any of us know really. They haven’t given diary schedules

[hollow coral]

gotterdamurung was a five week schedule

and i think GOE has some diaries in the same week

but one dairy per week is fine

[drifting star]

Wonder what tuesdays will be ….

[heavy bolt]

hopefully factions

[lofty chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dancing-gif-24007289

[harsh hull]

Throw a curveball

Indonesia Dev Diary

[heavy bolt]

shouldn't indonesia be with like siam and malaya in a goe or toa type expansion

[harsh hull]

That's why it's a curveball

[stable tusk]

It's with Siam and Australia in a DoD type expansion (basically focus pack with minor features)

[heavy bolt]

oh

[heavy bolt]

no malaya content ever?

[stable tusk]

They didn't confirm Malaya, all they confirmed for the DLC after this one was Siam, Australia, and Indonesia

And military hqs

And ship captains

[heavy bolt]

japan should get an imperial federation like focus for its asian puppets

[hollow coral]

Malaya will probably get something eventually but we don’t know if it will come in the thunder at our gates

[noble mountain]

how do they hide?

dont guerilla units need to be able to hide

[vast shore]

Nuh

[mellow laurel]

How does the game hide division counts and compositions from the player?

[vast shore]

If anything they will be spawn ins

but they probably wont

Just normal irregular

[waxen axle]

I want region rework for french indochina

[wise oxide]

tomorrow diary?

[tranquil urchin]

ain't no way I found an TI player here

[wise oxide]

peak meets peak i saw a hoi 4 meme on the isle discord

[pseudo wing]

hmmm.... Chak feeling spicy today, I wonder what this is....

[brittle venture]

communist japan lore

[pseudo wing]

[dire coyote]

PUSSR

make it ykw someway please

[stable mica]

A little part of other alternate ways, you can see on steam 😂

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[mild patrol]

China?

[mild patrol]

Looks like commie jap tbh

[vast shore]

cool but only the warlords count in my heart :p

Where is the new warlord content william

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-mark-meme-ireetable-gif-9511739422236118481

wait

[vast shore]

does this mean tmrw's dev diary will be non historical Japan instead of China?

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[coral drift]

I hope Tan Malaka can be of use in this path too

"You (Philippines) gets Tan Malaka, you (Japan) gets Tan Malaka, everyone gets Tan Malaka!!!"

[solid gyro]

We really need a focustree for Chechen-Ingush Republic 🙏🙏🙏

Add that Chechnya can be released 🥲

[drifting star]

They said that they will be giving alt Japan

[vast shore]

so over

[inland bloom]

@hollow lion all channels

[mild patrol]

When france rework

[wooden wyvern]

communist empire of red sun?

no way

korea, palau, not sure what the left flag is

[waxen axle]

WHEN UK AND USA REWORK???

if it ever come in a single seasons pass i would sell my soul

TO

PARADOX

and my [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]

[heavy bolt]

you don't want it to

because that means one will be gotterdammerung quality and the other will be goe quality

[brittle venture]

Looks kinda like fiji/micronesia

[quasi harbor]

It says Pacific Union but it shows all of Asia

My guess is that its a copied focus image from China, and China can Form an United Communist Asia maybe

[brittle venture]

conquer the holy
idk cant read lower

holy is also doubtful but it ends with y looking at the screenshot

promote the revolution

[inland bloom]

Casey you need new glasses 😭😭

[brittle venture]

i dont have glasses wdym

well first word starts with c

pretty clearly

with a the in the middle

it definitely says conquer the ---y
------------------------

chinese manchurian railway?

[drifting star]

HOI4 needs a ps5 version

[wooden wyvern]

Probably

Just a reclaiming focus for everything that breaks free during civil wat id say

[solid gyro]

We really Need an Chechnya update

[hushed lion]

Nah we need abkhazia focus tree

[solid gyro]

Focus tree for Caucasus

1.Chechnya

[waxen axle]

Why?

[solid gyro]

Its just funny to play small nations

[waxen axle]

But its part of ussr

[solid gyro]

And Chechnya is a very small nation but very old

[solid gyro]

There should be possibility to make it free

[waxen axle]

Still wont give focus tree same as saying moldova and ex soviet states should get focus

[solid gyro]

Why did Afghanistan get one ?

[waxen axle]

Because it existed in 1936?

even in early 1900s

or it might work like kurdistan in irak even tho kurdistan didnt exist as a state in 1936

[fading walrus]

As early as 1747 *

[waxen axle]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

Chechnya should get the possibility to get free

When germany wins against Russia

[waxen axle]

Like kurdistan in GoE

that might work

[solid gyro]

The germans wanted to free Chechnya and worked with them

[waxen axle]

hmmm

[solid gyro]

Unternehmen Shamil

Is a German Operation to get to Chechnya and meet up with the chechens

This is the Wikipedia text

Sorry thats im German

Unternehmen Schamil war der Deckname einer deutschen Militäroperation im Zweiten Weltkrieg, die von der Abteilung II des Amtes Ausland/Abwehr des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht geplant wurde. Die Durchführung erfolgte durch Angehörige der Spezialeinheit „Brandenburg“ sowie tschetschenische Freiwillige zwischen dem 25. August und 10. Dezember 1942 in Verbindung mit dem deutschen Vorstoß in Richtung der kaukasischen Ölfelder (→ Unternehmen Edelweiß). Ziel des Unternehmens war es, weit hinter der Frontlinie die zumeist muslimischen Kaukasus-Stämme, wie etwa die tschetschenischen Gruppen um Hassan Israilow, zu offenen Angriffen gegen die sowjetische Zentralmacht aufzuwiegeln. Diese Gruppen sollten dann gegen die Rote Armee eingesetzt werden, strategisch wichtige Punkte besetzen und sowjetische Truppen binden.
Benannt war das Unternehmen nach dem Imam Schamil, der im 19. Jahrhundert den Widerstand gegen die russische Eroberung des Kaukasus organisiert hatte.
Verlauf
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Abgesetzt in Duba-Jurt, einem in der Argun-Schlucht, südlich von Grosny gelegenen tschetschenischen Ort, marschierte das Kommando Richtung Nordwesten auf die vorrückenden regulären deutschen Truppen zu. Bereits kurze Zeit nach dem Absetzen wurde die Gruppe in erste Gefechte mit sowjetischen Kräften verwickelt und zog sich vor Einheiten der sowjetischen Miliz und des NKWD bis zum 12. September nach Süden in Richtung der Ortschaft Barsoi zurück, wo sich tschetschenische Widerständler befanden. Nach einem Abstecher zur Ortschaft Oschnoi tief im Kaukasus trat die Gruppe am 25. September den Rückmarsch zu den deutschen Linien an, wobei sie dreimal sowjetischen Einkesselungsversuchen entkommen konnte.[1]]

[cold gale]

maybe conquer the railway?

oop

im stupid i didnt know u solved it

[brittle venture]

i dont think i did idk

im guessing

[drifting star]

Prolly some modifier

Maybe a new rail line after taking the rail

[digital pumice]

70 day focus for 2 level 1 railways 🔥

[drifting star]

Prolly research bonus for rail

[winter tartan]

The first focus for Chechenya should force you to take a shower

[clever wing]

I think it means "Mobilize the Proletariat," but I could be wrong

[drifting star]

Uniting all of Asia is insane

[harsh hull]

I mean, so would be, say, uniting all of the Balkans and getting cores on it

But Bulgaria gets the Balkan Federation path

[hollow coral]

I mean both sun yat sen and the Japanese promoted pan asianism so maybe it wouldn’t that implausible

[barren tusk]

Today dev diary of?

[hollow coral]

Alt his japan

[barren tusk]

Thanks 🙏

[hexed mango]

Honestly, hoped we'd get china tbh

[brittle venture]

That makes sense

[dire coyote]

what time

[heavy bolt]

uniting all of europe is insane

[hushed lion]

Uniting all south america is insane

[heavy bolt]

uniting all of africa is insane

[waxen axle]

Uniting all of earth is insane

[stable mica]

I hope there is a good democratic path 🙂

[waxen axle]

Ewww democracy?

who plays democracy anyways?

[stable mica]

😂😂😂

I like this Westpacific Alliance

[stable mica]

Will there be a video about this on YouTube?

[winter tartan]

I do sometimes

Some democratic paths are decent

[thick edge]

A LOT of people

[waxen axle]

I NEED DEV DIARY

TODAY

"Gloopy glorp mijn flobber"

[dire coyote]

what time is thing

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-smiling-day-dreaming-gif-36315944745528671

[vast shore]

Meh

I want China

Not Alt Hist Japan

[vast shore]

1h approx.

[hollow coral]

It will come out at some point

[vast shore]

https://tenor.com/view/scu-sidereal-sidereal-cinematic-universe-aqua-bad-space-i-think-gif-27624632

[wise sparrow]

oooh i can see how many alt history games are gonna be super convoluted

[fading walrus]

Poland can befriend Japan now I see

or Japan can befriend Poland I mean

[wise sparrow]

yeah it’s a historical thing iirc, a lot of Japanese people wrote about Poland in the inter war era

[fading walrus]

looks like only from the Soviet Union though and not Germany

which makes sense IG

[wise sparrow]

no yeah it definitely makes sense

i was looking forward to something added related to the Japanese and polish people

very cool

[fading walrus]

they can create their own faction now too

the Japanese Sphere

[brittle venture]

NEW 3D MODELS 🥳

Yipee

[fading walrus]

also the Kodha path can be fascist as well

which is accurate given how ultranationalist the Kodha faction was

[brittle venture]

Al you never responded to when i should do the war smh,,,

[vast shore]

Inner mongolia fighting japan

[fading walrus]

do what suits you best

[brittle venture]

Idk

[robust grail]

So,facist kodoha gameplay is... historical Japan.

[fading walrus]

semi historical because its a different faction

also anti soviet pact with Poland and an alliance with Germany options which are mutually exclusive

[vast shore]

China map

[fading walrus]

5 democratic leaders it appears too

[wise sparrow]

Democracy path that can … expand…

holy i have an excuse to play democratic japan

[wispy socket]

Is it just me or does Democractic Japan seem like the most powerful path at this point?

Being able to peacefully expand and core all of Asia is OP

[fading walrus]

that depends if the AI accepts you or not

[wispy socket]

Indeed, but that's mostly going to come down to like army strength, opinion and diplomatic pressure isn't it?

[fading walrus]

probably

[wispy socket]

iirc it said Non-aligned and Democratic, which is most of Asia at that point

[fading walrus]

but its going to be intresting to see what happens on nonhist

[wispy socket]

Oh yeah, absolutely!

[fading walrus]

I'm curious if KMT China will get a fascist path for the Blue Shirt movement

[solid gyro]

For the time being it's the Philippines and Japan thst is covered by this point

[cosmic falcon]

A bit odd how the Philippines flag overlays the Information chart.

[fading walrus]

I think that guy is a Japanese puppet

judging by his name

[wispy socket]

Wait, Philippines was covered?

[peak flame]

It's a bug of our current UI. We needed to expand the selectable nations field, but have not yet made the final version of that. Either that, or the Philippines is just encrouching on the Japanese 😛

[peak flame]

No, Philippines have not had their Dev Diary yet

[lofty heron]

that'll be quite handy for modders too I think

[cosmic falcon]

Ah, okay.

[stone siren]

Ooo

[lofty heron]

I did just read the dev diary and it was okay. I always get a little bit sad when a communist path can't join the comintern tbh. in the Dev Diary it was said that's because Japanese commies didn't really vibe with Stalin, but does that mean if Stalin is overthrown it could be possible? Also, I assume that means if Japan is puppeted by Stalin the leader of the communists would change?

[fading walrus]

I really hope for this

[lofty heron]

flavour is always nice. and I'm sure some Stalinist Japanese guy must have existed even if it wasn't necessarily popular with the party at large

perhaps some NKVD shenanigans could've gotten him in charge...

or her!

could also synergise well with the Bolshevik faction of Communist China

[frosty oak]

Something tells me this new Japanese communist tree has the potential to become the best of the alt history trees

It’s giving me huge “glorious revolution” vibes

I’m very excited to see it, and excited to see how much challenge this 3 way civil war could be

[vast shore]

[frosty oak]

What’s your take friend

I’m still interested to see what small things they do to Manchuria

And I’m still waiting for the nationalist and communist Chinese trees most of all

[lofty heron]

my concern is that it's essentially functionally the same as the fascist trees except you have to fight a three way civil war first

a tree should have an actual gameplay reason to be played, outside of roleplay

[frosty oak]

I mean, in a sense, that’s not terrible imo, but what would you do instead?

[lofty heron]

there should be a functional advantage

[lofty heron]

this is why I think a comintern path would have been ideal

[vast shore]

Not a fan of the overly wacky stuff like "The pacific union", I do like flavor and having more then 1 path of ideology to choose but ultimately what I care is about how this will interact witj China

[lofty heron]

sure you have to fight a difficult civil war, but then big daddy Soviet Union can build you back up and then help you """liberate""" china

that's my take

[frosty oak]

True. Honestly just most excited to see how. China is done in general, China is probably my most played and favorite nation in the game to play. I love a good defensive nation that snowballs

[lofty heron]

I've coded my fair share of focus trees (I'm a modder) and one of the hardest- but most important- things is making sure there are functional reasons to choose all the different paths that aren't just to do with roleplay and vibes

[frosty oak]

I can see the value in having one, but most Comintern paths feel so samey tbh, that’s probably just the reality of the concept tho, and my monkey brain wanting more variety

[fading walrus]

Knowing myself I’m going to play Shogunate Japan

[lofty heron]

how does fighting a three way civil war make me better off in my campaign? In the democratic tree, you can join the Allies, which in of itself makes it worth it

[frosty oak]

I see it as fun for the challenge

[lofty heron]

but in the communist tree you just form your own power bloc, just like in the fascist ones. the only obvious functional difference to me is that in the fascist paths you don't have a civil war

[frosty oak]

But I am probably the minority there

[lofty heron]

maybe, but usually when I consider doing 'challenge paths' it's a subsection of a larger path rather than the entire path on its own

but that's a philosophy issue, really

[frosty oak]

Fair fair

[fading walrus]

Just swap out Japan for Germany and communist for Kaiser and you have imperial Germany path

[lofty heron]

except the Imperial Germany paths have very valid functional advantages

[fading walrus]

True

[lofty heron]

depending on playstyle you can be objectively better off doing Imperial

[fading walrus]

4 separate diplomacy options

[frosty oak]

Imperial Germany is one of the most broken paths in the entire game, being able for form the EU and just become a completely unstoppable nation

Fun, but perhaps too easy

[fading walrus]

Try it without the eu

Like do brest litovsk

[lofty heron]

yeah Imp. Germany probably goes too far the other way 😂

[dense gale]

It’s not Hist Germany is the strongest

[fading walrus]

And our place in the sun

[dense gale]

Imperial Germany is only good relative to other German tree

[frosty oak]

Historical Germany can’t core a third of the Eurasian continent

[dense gale]

Why would I need to core a third of europe 😂

When I killed everyone one in 39

[lofty heron]

yeah to be fair you don't really need the cores

[fading walrus]

I don’t

[frosty oak]

I see you must be a far better player than me

[frosty oak]

Way better player than me lol

[fading walrus]

I just set up Ukraine, Belarus, baltic and Transcaucasia

And Brittany, Scotland, Flanders and Wales

I usually balkanize France

And Russia

[lofty heron]

you can core some states in Russia if you use the Reichskommisariat system instead

[fading walrus]

I mentioned that

[lofty heron]

which I personally really love using but I understand it's kinda neglected by most players

[fading walrus]

With the eastern satellite states

[frosty oak]

Ain’t that just 1 state, Volga Germany?

[lofty heron]

oh yeah it is just the one state

my bad

[fading walrus]

who cares about Volga Germany

[frosty oak]

Me, a nerd

[fading walrus]

when I get cores on Plock, Lodz and Biastok

[lofty heron]

I do actually because I can build an airport there and then my Amerikabombers reach Japan

[frosty oak]

Mega Hitler level planning lmao

I love it

[lofty heron]

I just did an insane hist Germany achievement run so it's very fresh in my miind

[fading walrus]

I can have a puppet Russia and do the same

[lofty heron]

got 9 achievements in a single campaign

ballin

[fading walrus]

That reminds me

Tsarist Russia needs more generals

[lofty heron]

incidentally it's how I learnt that the Head Von Neurath's Concerns tree is actually very very fun

[lofty heron]

100% agreed

[fading walrus]

Ones that are alive in 1936

I have a whole list

Somewhere

[lofty heron]

obviously the problem is a lot of the sources are only in Russian or sometimes Serbian

[fading walrus]

Some where in Manchuria too

[lofty heron]

oh yeah Japanese/Chinese too I guess

[fading walrus]

Mainly Serbia, Manchuria and France

[lofty heron]

one of my reenactment buddies wants to do a White Russian in the Kwantung Army

[frosty oak]

“Shut up nerd, o have no concern for long term planning, just fight with reckless abandon, it’s gonna work out, I am a god in this simulation”

takes a fat hit from my crack pipe

[fading walrus]

Niche I like it

[lofty heron]

well it's mostly because he just wants to do IJA but obviously needs a reason as to why a pasty white guy is there 😂

[lofty heron]

I did it just to use espionage to get Why Die For Danzig but found out if you go all in on spies you can have an insane run as Germany

[fading walrus]

Makes sense

[frosty oak]

Spies are probably the most underwhelming and yet underutilized thing in the game depending on the country and scenario

[fading walrus]

yeah I gotta try Head Von Neurath's Concerns

[lofty heron]

usually I can never do world conquests because my PC kinda sucks and it really starts chugging by the time I'm ready to prepare an invasion of USA. But thanks to the bonuses from Neurath I was actually able to stage a coup in the USA really easily then just invited the fascist side of the civil war to the Axis

managed to finally get New World Order cus of that

[frosty oak]

Oh man, that’s something I can’t wait for when I get a new computer here in the next couple months, imma be putting that MacBook pro’s processor to the ultimate test as imma be doing a ton of absurdist challenge runs.

I love going for what I call “Maximum _” Runs, where I choose the paths and fudge the decisions in a way to achieve the maximum cores I can get. I am particularly gonna be excited to try a very late game Argentina as I take over half the americas and return to Germany lol

Most of all excited to try out and finally learn in detail how naval mechanics work

I only bother with the basics, but what I’ve seen of these new naval reworks got me very excited, seems they are kinda killing the death stack

[lofty heron]

yeah I never figured out navy

I do what I call the pirate strat which is just invade other countries and steal their navies lol

[frosty oak]

Once I really think I’ve mastered navy, imma do an Ethiopia world conquest lmao

[lofty heron]

hopefully this upcoming update will make it more clear

[quasi harbor]

The thing about navy is that there is no need to master or figure it out

Thats why navy is broken and no one feels the need to learn it

[frosty oak]

Yeah, absolutely true

[quasi harbor]

You can just steal, boomstack ships or spam light attack cruisers

No need to figure anything else out

[frosty oak]

Sub spam is still king to this day, even building old shit subs can make a dent

[fading walrus]

still no where near as satisfying as this

[frosty oak]

Fleet subs, and if your really in deep, nuclear subs, are just unstoppable

[fading walrus]

the Italian fleet shreded the UK one

in my Italy game

[quasi harbor]

Navy in the game is also a bit frustrating because its an all or nothing fight that you just basically roll the dice on and hope for the best ahah

If the UK were to reinforce that fleet mid battle with a huge stack it could have wiped out an entire decade of ship building

[frosty oak]

I’m most excited because of the supply and island rework

Having to actually seemingly set up historical sized fleets instead of the death stack

[lofty heron]

I mean wasn't that kind of how it was historically? at least in the Med and the Atlantic. I know Pacific was a bit different cus of how large it was. but naval battles typically are kind of decisive and "all or nothing"

[quasi harbor]

I didn't say it was unrealistic

[lofty heron]

fair enough

from a gameplay perspective it sucks

aye fairs

[quasi harbor]

Spending an entire game building ships only for them to be wiped clean in 3 days is hard

Thats why most people dont bother with navy

[lofty heron]

I sure know it's why I don't

[robust grail]

but how can have a grinding and dynamic naval war? the closest thing we have in the genre is old school naval rts.

[quasi harbor]

If you figure that out you can become the next hoi4 dev :p

[lofty heron]

this is the oversimplification of the century, but it should be rock paper scissors. battleships counter destroyers, destroyers counter submarines, suubmarines counter battleships. and aircraft carriers just magnify the countering effects of all of them.

obviously it would be way more detailed and intuitive and interesting than that but I am about four beers in so I cba to get into details

[winter tartan]

Navy is fun

Building superheavies and cruisers and evaporate the UK navy

Release them saying "sail, my pretties" and gunning down the US navy

I have never played Japan in vanilla, but I am excited for the rework so I can play it immersively

[robust grail]

It don't change the fact that you fleet can be evaporated in 1 battle, and your fleet will spend most of their time sitting in dock

[frosty oak]

I wonder how much longer it will be until we see the Chinese tree, I’m hoping everyone gets to do some real deal one China irredentism and go after Outer Manchuria, parts of Central Asia, Mongolia, Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh, northern Vietnam, etc etc etc

Infact, I wonder if all of this will bestow any new VPs and states in Siberia, been too long since an update gave the Soviets a buff to its state count lol

I was sad when AAT didn’t split eastern Karelia and the kola peninsula

[hushed lion]

Next week I think

[frosty oak]

So hype if we do

China more than anything is my most anticipated of the new DLC, any of them but especially nationalist China

[drowsy umbra]

I wouldn’t say in the Atlantic think about the battle of the river plate or the sinking of the bismark or even the Norway campaign but that isn’t considered the Atlantic ig for the last one

[frosty oak]

I hope China gives the same vibes as the Soviet Union, where as long as you are able to survive and thrive you just continue to snowball far into the late game, becoming an industrial powerhouse to rival the Soviets and Americans

I want that feeling of a bottomless industrial base, but one that I gotta really work for and build towards

[coral drift]

Where are Tokuda and Katayama?

[winged barn]

Dev diary looks legit

[winter tartan]

The battle of river plate just had a battleship against three cruisers

Naturally, it didn't result in 300 boats under the water

[drowsy umbra]

Yeah what I mean is it isn’t like hoi4 an all in one battle

[pastel flume]

while this asian eu thing sounds interesting, it kinda sounds very unrealistic

[winter tartan]

It naturally depends on the number of boats involved

[drowsy umbra]

But In hoi4 you deathstack and have one battle

That’s the difference

[winter tartan]

You choose to deathstack

You don't have to

[drowsy umbra]

It’s the only viable navy option

[winter tartan]

No it isn't? You can have your smaller fleets with 20 destroyers, 5 cruisers and a battleship

[drowsy umbra]

then it dies

the most viable option for navy is to stack it (apart from subs) into 1 fleet

[winter tartan]

That sounds like a skill issue

[fading walrus]

European union would be considered unrealistic in 1914 to be fair though

[pastel flume]

i mean at least it was a proposed idea

[fading walrus]

True

[pastel flume]

lots of formables are on the context that it was proposed at one point, like antilles and latin africa

but when was ever an asian eu ever proposed

[winter tartan]

with decent templates, you can easily sink anything

[winter tartan]

never, but I believe it is an attempt at Japanese panasianist ambitions

[hushed lion]

Thats what I thought

[drowsy umbra]

Not really unless you wait ages because building a navy takes so long

[winter tartan]

albeit through a democratic way rather than how it was historically attempted

[pastel flume]

at least thats something

[pastel flume]

theres also a asian ussr

[hushed lion]

1984 east asia

Now we need eurasia and oceania

[winter tartan]

it does too, in real life. if you aren't playing a country with a decent navy or appropriate infrastructure, how do you expect to get a big navy in a year?

[pastel flume]

okay there are some advisors for pan-asianist

[winter tartan]

it obviously require some investment

[pastel flume]

i mean basically imperial federation of uk ife they do franco-british union and core all of south america through spain, portugal, brazil, and chile

but thats like 1 in a million

[winter tartan]

but for example, as Germany, I find it much more fun to invest in dockyards and an actual navy rather than having a 500 divisions army

it also gives you actually a shot to killing the uk without cheesing

[drowsy umbra]

Even if you build a dockyards anything like super heavy’s take years to build as you can only assign like 5 dockyards max

And if you split your fleet even if you do invest in it your navy will just die

Especially if it’s mp

[winter tartan]

yeah, and I love superheavies, but they are intended to be a few at most

[winter tartan]

in mp, maybe. in singleplayer not at all if you know what you are doing

[drifting star]

China is next week let’s gooo

[drowsy umbra]

You can just use navs to kill the uk fleet as well and it’s easier but naval larp can be fun just not viable

[winter tartan]

if your destroyers are a bit robust they should resist anything the AI throws at you

[stable tusk]

Oceania would be going Communist as the UK and doing the Imperial Federation
(And annexing the US and Southern Africa up to Brazzaville)

[fresh cedar]

Getting cores on all of Asia in wild lol. I mean anarchist Spain can technically do it too.

Wish Africa had a quicker/easier way to unite its continent

Literally Eastasia from 1984 though

[fresh cedar]

How do you know?

I like how Korea and Japan have more states

[frosty oak]

Me every time new states and victory points get added to the game like

[fresh cedar]

It’s legit a good thing lol. The US needs like double the states it has

[frosty oak]

Late game, I like building supply hubs and linking rail lines across all my vps, especially as the Soviet Union, Africa, or in South America. Makes it feel like I’m really industrializing a place when I take it from that dark purple 0 supply hell to that bright green full supply paradise

[fresh cedar]

Same

[fresh cedar]

The mechanic for Japanese states to change type depending on infrastructure level is really cool

[frosty oak]

Even not late game, I try to design any mid-war supply line buildups around existing victory points, fun little roleplay thing

[frosty oak]

Yeah I wish they would take this concept and expand it to all countries

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if state category impacts coal/energy usage

Like maybe will be worth leaving some states at lower infrastructure

[winter tartan]

I believe it is related to the number of building slots

The pastoral region thing

[fresh cedar]

So technically doing this upgrade would increase production cost

[frosty oak]

Yeah the higher level the state, the more building slots it gets before adding in industrial research and bonus slots

[winter tartan]

No

[fresh cedar]

If state category upgraded, could potentially add building slots which as increases coal usage

[winter tartan]

Well, yes, I suppose. But I am not sure what buildings use coal

We don't know if refineries and such use it

[fresh cedar]

I believe all factories civilian and military

[winter tartan]

What about dockyards?

[frosty oak]

I’m pretty interested to see how much a factor coal ends up being, will it be another thing to think about, like the consumer goods rework, or will it be as fundamental as the fuel rework back in Man The Guns?

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if resource extraction also uses coal

Or supply lines

[winter tartan]

It is supposed to be a new resource, so pretty big actually

[fresh cedar]

Will coal usage be higher in winter? Who knows 😂

[drifting star]

Said so in the Japan video

[fresh cedar]

So if you don’t have enough coal. It legit lowers your factory output

[frosty oak]

I wanna know how much a factor building civilian reactors will be in coal consumption

I love tinkering with civilian reactors

[fresh cedar]

I think they said 15-25% negation of energy usage in the state it’s built in

So if you build one in every state you use 25% less

[frosty oak]

Hmmm, so anywhere between negligible to extremely substantial

[fresh cedar]

Which could be the difference of 75% factory output and 100% output

[frosty oak]

Depends on the state

[fresh cedar]

Dams will also impact

[frosty oak]

As I saw, which is hype

[winter tartan]

Yeah, don't build it in Khartoum

[frosty oak]

Don’t tell me what to do with my late game Ethiopia

[winter tartan]

But in states like Lombardy or rheinland...

[frosty oak]

New York and California

[winter tartan]

Late game Ethiopia
Why

[frosty oak]

Because it’s fun

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if a hidden path will connect with this

[frosty oak]

Does feel like it would be

[winter tartan]

What would this imply for Japan?

Akihito secret path?

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I’m not sure. They cover a fair bit. Unless it just becomes like a military council

[winter tartan]

Who was 3 at the time of the start of the game

[frosty oak]

Tbh, what secret paths would there even be the potential for? I feel like there isn’t much to do

Maybe I just don’t know enough about Japanese history, but I feel like most “secret” paths wouldn’t surmount to much more than something like the secret finland monarchist focus

[fresh cedar]

Spanish Phillipines, MacArthur Phillipines, Shogunate Military Council Japan

Communist China led by Puyi

(Post prison, once Civ)

[frosty oak]

What would a shogunate Japan look like tho

[frosty oak]

That would go hard as shit

[fresh cedar]

Similar to Germanys Military path

Like basically just monarchy but with extra military buffs

I’m guessing there will be one similar to Eva Brauns or Strassers

[winter tartan]

Spanish Philippines is very stupid (as a Spanish)

[fresh cedar]

Watch it just be like what if Fascism existed in Japan after it got removed

[frosty oak]

Yeah I see no point in a Spanish Philippines, unless we are doing a funny Philippine version of the sunrise invasion

[fresh cedar]

Paradox devs sweating at this response 😂

Pretty sure Mongolia gets a formable. So could be connected to that

[frosty oak]

MacArthur Philippines has funny potential, “give me 10k Filipino soldiers and I’ll take over the world”

[winter tartan]

How are you actually doing it? Do you become a Spanish puppet? What's the point

[fresh cedar]

Nvm just reread the diary and the dev responses said no Spain path

[frosty oak]

Good tbh lol

[winter tartan]

Some historical flavour about it could be given, though. If you are playing Francoist Spain, give a decision to send a diplomatic protest to Japan when declaring on the Philippines

[winter tartan]

Which happened historically

[fresh cedar]

I would’ve moreso guessed some Catholic crusade in Asia tbh

[sharp spade]

I feel like their would be one for manchuko where it’s Puyis wife or concubine as leader

[fresh cedar]

Or even Hirohitos wife if he dies in a bombing

Idk

[winter tartan]

It could be fun if you could demand as Spain a white peace or it joins the Allies if not in a faction (only allowed for players, though)

It was a thing Franco considered when he saw the writing in the wall about the future of Germany

[fresh cedar]

I’d be shocked if such a thing wasn’t part of the faction rework

[sharp spade]

Did they show an option on the historical dev diary where you can do a scripted peace deal or am I tweaking?

[sharp spade]

With the soviets*

[fresh cedar]

I think that would involve a faction rework overview tbh

[frosty oak]

You know, I wonder how those focuses to claim thrones and stuff from last week’s diary will work in the game. Will it be like how Vittorio Emanuel gets more and more traits? Will you be able to get cores in the Himalayas?

[fresh cedar]

I imagine like the Swedish one where he just gets traits

[winter tartan]

Japan-Soviets? Yeah, so you don't have to get to Minsk from Vladivostok

[winter tartan]

The great Japan focus has been confirmed to give cores in Hawaii and Guam at least

[winter tartan]

Idk if Korea and Taiwan too (it would make sense)

[sharp spade]

Hope there’s one that works with the allies so I don’t need to do a London invasion

[winter tartan]

I mean, if you conquer all of the Raj east it should white peace you, what is the point after that

[frosty oak]

You know, I remember back in the day it was easier to destroy the Soviet Union from Vladivostok, the Soviet AI just did nothing to defend it back before NSB, all you had to do was plop an army or 3 in Siberia and focus your entire industry on infrastructure construction lol

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t they want all of India?

[fresh cedar]

Pre NSB Russia was a pushover in general

[frosty oak]

True

[fresh cedar]

Kinda worried that every path Japan has comes into conflict with the Soviets

[sharp spade]

I feel old knowing I remember when waking the tiger death or dishonor and together for victory came out

[winter tartan]

I guess it could be like the new order thing, which basically cores for sure the Polish territories but could potentially core part of Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, and Denmark

[winter tartan]

Depending on whether you hold it or not

[frosty oak]

I remember waking the tiger dropping, I bought hoi4 way back on Black Friday 2017

[sharp spade]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[fresh cedar]

Watch it be this

[winter tartan]

Just think of the larp

[fresh cedar]

“I was there when Horus slew the Emperor” ah quote

[winter tartan]

I am going to play Japan and play the bad guy

[frosty oak]

I will be happy if they add a Japanese puppet state for east Turkestan with that weirdo ottoman royal in charge

[fresh cedar]

Honestly surprised many of the Japanese paths aren’t more about puppeting

The democratic one should’ve just been collabs or something

[sharp spade]

Bigger than the kaiserreich larp in GDR

[fresh cedar]

Happy it wasn’t called the United States or Asia atleast

[winter tartan]

Honestly, if we had a path for every mid-20th century schizo weirdo we wouldn't get any serious content

[winter tartan]

I have larped A LOT as Germany since Gotterdammerung

[frosty oak]

I don’t want a path, just a button click formable like the reichskomassariats

[fresh cedar]

Strasser goated

[winter tartan]

What if we did Killpeopleism again but better?

That narrative makes the denazification focus seem like a joke xd

[sharp spade]

I’m assuming you’ll either get to make a United Chinese puppet or make it warlords while you take certain part

[fresh cedar]

I had to mod in this image bc vanilla strasser looks terrible

Bro looks like a Skaven

[winter tartan]

He looks like the home along guy

[sharp spade]

Maybe give Manchuko bejing

[winter tartan]

Would Japan allow China to be united in a single government that could potentially outpace them industrially?

The Kaiserreich dilemma, once again

[fresh cedar]

Would Moreso be fragmented

Wonder how the Soviet invasion of Manchuria will work on historical

[winter tartan]

Yeah, but you know, China long divided must unite

[sharp spade]

It’d be cool if it was united China got a big debuff making a war debt to just ruin consumer goods and factory/resources just gets a stolen

[winter tartan]

By the way, I hope Ma Zhongying is available somehow

[winter tartan]

I know that they aren't touching a lot of the warlords, but one man can dream

[sharp spade]

Time to get any Chinese achievement done now

[dapper lotus]

would love for to have there to been a theocracy non aligned path as a third option for monarchy, could be cool lmao

[dapper lotus]

its so mid that they arent doing cool warlord content, hopefully they all get some sort of unqiue focuses (even if its like the paraguay urugauy situation where they have loads of shared content but a bit of unique flavour)

[drifting star]

Maybe there will be some additions

[sharp spade]

Do you think there will be an achievement where you have to play as Zhang Xueliang and take manchuko

[pastel flume]

3 sided civil war...

[fresh cedar]

Yeah they showed it in the video

IMO doesn’t seem like it’ll be that difficult since you get the south

[winter tartan]

Zhang Xueliang republican path for Manchuria would be great

Available either if Japan collapses into a civil war or if Manchuria wins the independence war

Then you can either try to reunify China by claiming the mandate of heaven as Puyi or bringing back the Fengtian clique as Zhang

And form the Beiyang government

[thick edge]

Who tf made those generals

[fresh cedar]

Paradox

[fading walrus]

more intresting than vanilla tbh

ATM

reminds of Germany's old civil war in RT56

[hollow coral]

His wife was an opioid addict

[cold gale]

left looks superior to right, also someone gotta redo the aksel larsen one too

idk why this reminds me of the mayor of whosville from the grinch 💀

<@&846894118219022336>

[cold gale]

rt56 one is better, das all i gotta say

(credit to reddit user who posted that, communist that's anti communist 😏)

[polar jasper]

New Korean states would make it hard to create the DPRK-ROK borders

Especially if Pyongyang and Seoul are in the same state

[quasi harbor]

Oof, yeah didn't even notice that

But it looks to me like Seoul is a relatively small round state separate of the Pyongyang one

[fresh cedar]

That’s rough what the heck

[floral anvil]

Imagine playing hearts of iron 4 and living in Ireland just to realize that your country is never getting a focus tree 💀

[hollow lion]

UK could use some revision, you never know who they might include when they do that

[cosmic falcon]

Am I the only one who thinks the G in genius should be capitalized for grammar purposes?

[hollow lion]

Not for grammar, although many titles in HOI IV capitilize almost every word

[heavy bolt]

it is proper grammar to capitalize all words in titles? besides connecting words like of, the or and

[pastel flume]

i dont get why its isnt the border for the 49th parallel

[wooden wyvern]

thats not the border even now though

it was only the border for all of like 5 years

dont think it matters either since dprk isnt even a tag iirc and the game doesnt plan to go any farther then 1945 in scope

[pastel flume]

i mean its just using modern borders fo a game thats based in ww2 while technically the end date is before the korean war in 1949

[pastel flume]

i mean yeah but then in goe you already have things for like independence in india and them able to conquer goa

[wooden wyvern]

independance in india is an alt hist thing though

that very well couldve happened earlier

[pastel flume]

or brazil being to make brasillia

[wooden wyvern]

i really dont see a timeline where north and south korea exist the way they did

where japan is still around

and the second world war is still ongoing or hasnt happened yet

[pastel flume]

im talking about post war

[wooden wyvern]

yea but the game doesnt go into that

[pastel flume]

they are definetly leaning into that

[wooden wyvern]

like

[pastel flume]

especially with this approach of demilitirizing with the new energy system to make ai get rid of divisions

[wooden wyvern]

north and south korea were artificial puppets of the usa and ussr in the power void left after japans surrender in east asia

theres literally no way they can both exist unless japan is dead

[pastel flume]

so is east and west germany

and that exists

yalta conference

[wooden wyvern]

because they were made before the end of the second world war

[pastel flume]

event makes them after war ends

[wooden wyvern]

no?

japan surrendered after germany

like

6 months later

[pastel flume]

yet west germany was made in 1949 post war would just be occupation zones

[wooden wyvern]

its not occupation zones?

[pastel flume]

like realistically for india in its historical route you have focuses until like 1947 or 48 with the amount of them

[pastel flume]

im talking about germany occupation zones

[wooden wyvern]

yea

you can make west germany?

i didnt even know that was possible

[pastel flume]

yes through yalta conference event

although it is broken

[heavy bolt]

is next dev diary on thurs or next week

[hollow coral]

We got no clue just keep an eye on the twitter

[coral drift]

In my last game as PRC, Soviet Zone (Soviet puppet) got gobbled up by FGR instead

[wooden wyvern]

interesting

my games rarely ever last to 1945

usually i quit them by 1942 or 43

i always get surprised by the stuff that happens once ww2 begins to simmer down\

[rocky oasis]

I hope that both Nationalist China and Communist China have a similar amount of characters to the ones shown off for Japan.

[rocky oasis]

Late, but judging by the name of the warlord state that now controls Xi’an he has his own warlord state.

[hollow coral]

It’s called the northeastern army so probably an roc puppet

[hollow coral]

Honestly it probably will be around the same amount

[rocky oasis]

Yes. I know. According to a quick google search Zhang Xueliang was in charge of the Northeastern Army.

[hollow coral]

I also noticed that southern xinjiang is called khotan ma

[rocky oasis]

Very excited to ally with the triads to get my generals their opium fix.

[hollow coral]

It should be called something like new 36th divisions

Would be more accurate

[rocky oasis]

That isn’t a joke btw. One of the characters for China show in the Faces of [REDACTED] dev corner was a gangster.

[hollow coral]

Please elaborate

[hollow coral]

Interesting

[merry wharf]

how do i annex austro hungarian czechoslovakia

[hollow coral]

depends if you are playing as austria or hungary

[merry wharf]

hungry

why did allies join only 19 precent world tension

[thick edge]

Focus

Prob

[merry wharf]

okay i am focusing

[thick edge]

I think u mean war?

So maybe gaurentee

[brittle venture]

Hiii chris

Hoi4

[thick edge]

New pfp

[merry wharf]

hi furry

[thick edge]

Make the next one a uhhh

[brittle venture]

Sim

[thick edge]

Minecraft dog

Trust

[brittle venture]

Nuh uh

I should get one later actually in my world

[polar jasper]

So they can be made by Soviets puppeting the north and US puppeting the south

[fresh cedar]

Do you think the USA will be able to unite just North America or all of the Americas when it gets reworked?

[winter tartan]

a socialist republic of America? maybe. Fascist America? I am not sure

[flat cosmos]

I can see both being a thing

[hexed mango]

Hopefully not tbh

Needs more flavor than just "core the entire continent"

There are so many interesting possibilities for the us tbh

Communist ones are usually meh, all the same most of the time tbh

But for non aligned/fascist there can be lots of interesting stuff

Maybe the us breaking up in more parts that do not necessarily have to be at war?

And as the non aligned confederates having a branch to form the golden circle annexing mexico and the carraibeans or

[fresh cedar]

All of the Americas is only like 300 mil manpower, meanwhile a unified Europe has 500 mil + and a unified Asia will have 1 bil +

[hexed mango]

Or creating an american empire, uniting the anglophere under your banner

[hexed mango]

It's not about that honestly, it's more that for example look at south smerica, 3 countries got focus trees, all 3 have the same end goal, to core all of south america for almost every path, it's boring

[fresh cedar]

This would be cool

[hexed mango]

I mean having the option to unite the americas isn't a problem but I'd like to have other options as well

[fresh cedar]

Chile was pretty unique imo but yeah apart from Uruguay and Paraguay; Argentina and Brazil were similar. Though imo still unique

[fresh cedar]

Or even to conquer Africa as the confederates

[hexed mango]

Oh no.....

[fresh cedar]

As if Spain, England and Portugal can’t reconquer colonial possessions

[hexed mango]

Honestly that be interesting but I know that that'd be too controversial

[fresh cedar]

When they also committed atrocities there lol

[hexed mango]

Yes but this is more recent

[fresh cedar]

And Spanish Empire taking back all of its possessions wasn’t?

[hexed mango]

So yk hisnit be

[fresh cedar]

The UK literally stills has colonies 😭

UK colonialism “ended” much more recently

[hexed mango]

Yes I agree with your sentiment

But looking at things yk that this would be way more controversial

[fresh cedar]

How so? Germany can basically puppet the world, Japan can unify asia, and the UK can reclaim all its former puppets

[hexed mango]

But yeah, maybe creating a puppet state in africa as the confederates under american administration would be interesting

[sterile urchin]

USA should have an immortal FDR path like nuclear Gandhi or no appeasement UK where he forms the UN and does a world conquest

[fresh cedar]

Confederacy getting war goals on parts of Africa is not more controversial than Nazi Germany puppeting earth, please

[hexed mango]

You underestimate the ability of some people to get offended

[sterile urchin]

USA should be able to do a world conquest as a democracy somehow in its rework

[fresh cedar]

CSA absolutely would take parts of Africa along with the Americas

[hexed mango]

Anyways,

[fresh cedar]

I’m not done talking about that so I will continue to 😂

[hexed mango]

I'd like to see a fascist path separate from the confederate path that should be non aligned

[fresh cedar]

Golden Circle with aims on securing North America and Western Africa would be neat. Commie USA I think would core North America but knowing paradox all of the Americas. Would be neat to have like a monarchist path

[hexed mango]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

Hopefully the devs consider this

[fresh cedar]

Logically would still have the rest of the USA

[hexed mango]

Not in a scenario where the us breaks up into 4-5 states not at war with each other

Maybe a scenario if the us break up canada can take some parts of the us

[fresh cedar]

Idk why that would remotely happen tbh

[hexed mango]

Or maybe even a civil war where if neither parts make gains you can have a white peace and the 2 states have their own focus trees

[fresh cedar]

That’s just KR

[thick edge]

The USA needs a secret path to form the United States of earth

[fresh cedar]

Which is hard to justify in the base game since Germany didn’t win WW1

[hexed mango]

Say you are doing good as the csa, you get all of us, nut if not you can try to white peace

Each scenario having their own branches

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey has that as the CSA rn minus the cores

I’m just like Commie Japan coring Asia including the middleast really opens the door

Every continent basically has a unification option apart from North America

[thick edge]

Time for more schizo kx paths!

[short bay]

I'm so confused right now. The new DLC's. Are they like some kind of season pass, pre-order or are they already available,

[fresh cedar]

IMO US coring North America is much less schizo than Brazil coring South America or Japan Asia, or countries doing Europe

That was basically Manifest Destiny’s goal

[fresh cedar]

Pre-order

But will become available on season pass when they release in a month

[short bay]

Is there like discount if you buy them now?

[fresh cedar]

All that becomes available now after pre-ordering is a ship cosmetic that doesn’t have a function rn

[fresh cedar]

20% allegedly

[short bay]

alr then

thx

[fresh cedar]

Tbh considering majority comes out 2026, just buy the Japanese dlc and avoid the expansion

Until we see if the content is worth or not

[fresh cedar]

Or atleast North America

[sterile urchin]

Yeah, I think the state expansion mechanic should cover Canada & once you integrate Canada you could proclaim the USNA. There is a lot of potential with a USA rework

Like you could have a postwar Triumph in Europe tree and a Triumph in Asia tree once Germany & Japan are beaten or in your faction/puppet, with a war goal on Russia and maybe China at the end of each, kinda like the Turan path at the end of the Turkish tree

If any nation deserves postwar content it’s the US

I shouldn’t be getting my expectations up like this

This isn’t healthy

[cold gale]

They should add propaganda mechanic to majors

[steel linden]

.... but I already own HOI4

like that's why we're here

[thorny shell]

well now we know what dlc is being integrated next

[hushed lion]

Man the guns? We've known for a while

[quasi harbor]

Weve always known, they are going by order of release

From the oldest to the newest

[thorny shell]

no, lar

[quasi harbor]

It is safe to assume that by next year laR will be integrated

[hushed lion]

They said they were making a bundle not that they were integrating it, although it is probable that it would be next

[willow root]

i’d argue that ussr post war content would probably be more deserving

[quasi harbor]

Its called juice the cow while it has milk in it

[wet stag]

My bad on the everyone, I forgot to use the news @

[thorny shell]

next expansion is going to be with usa
i call it

[fresh lichen]

probably the usa and the commonwealth

[quasi harbor]

US is indeed a boring country to play as ngl

The early game is mostly empty

[fresh lichen]

i soflocked myself from playing the facist path the first time i played it

[hoary siren]

Probably super nerf to USA and allies

[dusk mist]

crazy price ngl

this is terrible

super expensive base game plus 2 of the worst dlcs

why would they announce this

[quasi harbor]

Here is the dlc timeline

LaR and BftB will likely be integrated together when the time comes

[dusk mist]

so basically just want to sell as many as possible before they make it free?

[quasi harbor]

Katching

[thorny shell]

i havent seen a dlc where they do 2 majors together (as in full rework)

[fresh lichen]

true

[thorny shell]

so probably one or the other

[fresh lichen]

but i mean only usa would be boring

[thorny shell]

tru

[fresh lichen]

maybe usa and all dominions

and after that is uk and smth else

[dusk mist]

that would be strange lol

[thorny shell]

i could see mexico and cuba getting something

[quasi harbor]

Dam, its been 10 years since TfV

[dusk mist]

i feel like they should do dominions and uk at same time

[thorny shell]

australia:

[dusk mist]

lol

[quasi harbor]

I actually am looking forward to them integrating LaR

The french Focus tree is kinda bad

[thorny shell]

im not
i have no idea how to use the spy system
and im not going to learn it either

[quasi harbor]

You dont have to

90% of the time i just slap spies on an enemy country for the planning bonuses and thats it

Or keep them as counter terrorists in my country

[thorny shell]

the only actual good thing ive heard from lar is collab govs
and thats it

[quasi harbor]

Collabs take so long, i always forget to make them on time

Usually i kill countries before i need them

[fresh lichen]

true

[willow root]

isnt no compromise no surrender a double major rework tho

[thorny shell]

on countries like ussr its unbearable (for 2 years now have i been going to the urals to kill josepho stalinco)

[thorny shell]

china isnt a major strangely enough

[quasi harbor]

Yeah NCNS is a pretty big dlc

No wonder its so expensive

[willow root]

pretty sure at least ROC is a major if it leads the united front

[quasi harbor]

Still waiting to see what we'll get in the free update

[thorny shell]

because ots a faction leader yes

all fac leaders r majors

[thorny shell]

probs only historical japan lol

[quasi harbor]

Sweden is always a major for example

[willow root]

most important nation in ww2

[willow root]

yeah tbf industrially and militarily, china at startdate isnt much of a major

[quasi harbor]

Technically the true majors are the ones in the main screen when starting a game

Which excludes China

[thorny shell]

and politically

[thorny shell]

ye

[quasi harbor]

But i think China is much more of a major than a country like Italy

[willow root]

make it explode into ten trillion pieces

[willow root]

italian industry was tiny honestly

[thorny shell]

one could make that argument but then again china was in political turmoil in 1936
unlike italy

[quasi harbor]

The RL majors of the Allies were Britain, France, US, USSR and Nationalist China

[hollow lion]

[thorny shell]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-johnny-cage-dun-dun-dunnnn-dramatic-sound-effect-dun-dun-dun-gif-25522077

hai

[quasi harbor]

Which are the UN council members

[fading walrus]

I think all DLCs until no step back will be intergrated

[thorny shell]

tbf france and china werent really majors lol

[willow root]

france was very nearly not gonna be on the council

[quasi harbor]

Yeah but they threw a couple tantrums and bam they were

[fading walrus]

Hoi4s life will be ending when battle for the bopherus is integrated is my prediction

[willow root]

true they ended up overblowing the significance of the french resistance and partisans

[willow root]

i highly doubt we will get a hoi5 though

[fading walrus]

France in world war 1 was a major though IK we are talking about WWII

And the aftermath

[willow root]

well yeah, but their rapid fall and failure to retreat to algeria to keep fighting meant they got highly discredited

they barely even got a german occupation zone

[fading walrus]

True

[quasi harbor]

My dude, that will probably be next year

[thorny shell]

were they even trying to retreat to algeria?

[fading walrus]

After next year

[willow root]

some key voices were calling for it but they didnt win out