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[crimson tartan]

daaaam

this game is 10 yo

and we can't create historically accurate divisions!

this is insane!

[viral dock]

Who cares

[crimson tartan]

😮

well actually me

[viral dock]

Just have fun mate you dont Need it

I like historical stuff tò but not so much

Just play like the historical mods at this point like Black Ice

So ypu get everything down tò the most historical Mg

[crimson tartan]

then why we even need update
there are mods for everything

[viral dock]

Because vanilla is great and mods are just supplimentary

There are mods thst are Better vanilla like black ice

And mods that are vanilla Just different timline like GWR

That Is Just vanilla but in ww1

And tò be honest Is my favorite mod tò play

That Is why we Need updates

[tranquil urchin]

"vanilla is great" 💀 :💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[vast shore]

I actually like Vanilla lmao

I hate mods like R56 or TFB

[timid totem]

same

[vast shore]

Only one I can bear is World Ablaze

[dire coyote]

cold war mod would be good if their gui wasnt so eyesoring

[quasi harbor]

To me its the TNO gui that makes me wanna spring from a window

[winged barn]

i play a mc server with the OFN ripped straight from TNO

[shy sky]

i hate the tno gui sm

[fresh cedar]

I play vanilla like 95% of the time 😂

[cold gale]

gg

[winged barn]

It was so cringe

[willow root]

lol what is TFB

[hollow coral]

The finest bruh or something

It’s a purely multiplayer mod

[willow root]

why is this the finest example of a hoi4 mod 😭 😭

alongside rt56

[hollow coral]

Idk

I haven’t heard of it until a few days ago

[willow root]

yeah i thought he’d mention like TWR, TNO, hell even EAW lol

or kaiserreich

[crimson tartan]

wdym even

eaw is one of the greatest mods in history games

🐴

[steep nest]

🐴

[vast shore]

bro

The point is

I hate vanilla'escque conversion mods

Not actual full alt hist conversion mods

[cosmic stag]

when will they release the Ranger unit

[wise oxide]

gwr is 10000x times more advanced

[fresh cedar]

November

[cosmic stag]

oh alr

cant wait

[wraith prawn]

with the update, yes

[cosmic stag]

alr

[fresh cedar]

TNO is hard to look at in general.

[wraith prawn]

I'm keen on seing what they're gonna do with it but I'm afraid vanilla MP is gonna be even more broken in favor of the axis with that

[waxen axle]

When next dev diary?

[fresh cedar]

Most likely this week

[waxen axle]

ok

[fresh cedar]

They were vague about future diaries tbh.

[waxen axle]

ok

[fresh cedar]

May be inconsistent now but I’d assume weekly.

[pseudo wing]

hmmm, I wonder how this got here....

" ...one National Spirit; Army and Naval Air Services, but once again we can see that this Spirit is also split in two with the.."

[fresh cedar]

Thanks Chak lol

Really looking forward to seeing what historical Japan is all about

Will have MEFO 2.0

[waxen axle]

Nice

[wise oxide]

when dev diary

a Month and 14 days left

[wise oxide]

where is it from

[coral drift]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/next-dev-diary-is-coming-tomorrow-japan.1862062/

[fresh cedar]

Chak is a community manager, he posts on behalf of the company. Whatever he posts is from Paradox itself

Wish the game had Soldier, Sailor, and Airmen manpower pools like HOI3 tbh

[cosmic stag]

no i disagree

[fresh cedar]

Air manpower pool being the same as infantry is bad. Many nations like Germany and Japan basically ran out of pilots. This isn’t reflected in game

[cosmic stag]

alr

[pseudo wing]

well not everything

but if its about the game yes

(here's hoping that if I post about that formable it becomes expected by people and forces us to put it into the game >:D )

[thick edge]

It will be

100%

[coral drift]

Please tell us it's a cosmetic one like Greater Reich (not adding every state required as cores)

[steep nest]

[stable tusk]

I couldn't find sneak peeks 4 and 5

[crimson tartan]

apparently tuesday is now hoi4 day

because thursday is for eu5

[crimson tartan]

i believe one is on instagram

[thick edge]

Sneak 4 and 5 are the friends we made along the way

[coral drift]

Just checked their IG, nope

1st: Twitter
2nd: Bluesky
3rd: YouTube
4th: Reddit
5th: Discord
6th: ParadoxPlaza

[pseudo wing]

5th is the one I posted earlier here in the discord

[pseudo wing]

The one that I had in mind was 'La Nouvelle Monde' which is essentially Quebec down to Louisiana and also France being owned by Canada

[thick edge]

I was gonna say that

But I wasn’t sure

[coral drift]

Bruv
No 5/6 written here

[pseudo wing]

I didn't realise I was required to post the number, I just posted what was in my posting document

[coral drift]

Ah, turns out it's a honest mistake, lel

[fading walrus]

Oh god no this is like Europa Barbarorum levels of complexity

[fresh cedar]

Pilots should have their own pool tbh

[fading walrus]

Aka the total war mod that makes you wait 1500 turns for the Marian reforms as Rome

Because history reasons

[fading walrus]

I get the argument

[fresh cedar]

Like Japan running out of pilots was a big deal in WW2

[fading walrus]

I just don’t want hoi4 to become black ice

[fading walrus]

Germany too

[fresh cedar]

Would limit 20k plane air spam in late game too

[fading walrus]

I destroyed the whole German and soviet airforce with 500 italian fighters

[thick edge]

But

More fun

Wrong reply

[thick edge]

More fun*

[fading walrus]

TBF the Soviets and Germans had civil wars

Which weakened their airforces

[quiet wyvern]

when japan dlc out?

[crimson tartan]

yesterday

[thick edge]

Nov 20th I think?

[quiet wyvern]

oh

damn

ty

[drifting star]

Wonder if Japan will have any new formable

[polar bronze]

Super japan - own all japanese states

[thorny oar]

i hope Tannu Tuva gets a focus tree

[stable mica]

I get an error message in debug mode saying that some ship hulls for the US, Japan, and Australia don't exist. Does this have something to do with the new DLC?

[fresh cedar]

Probably a Greater Japanese Empire if I had to guess

Though the Shogunate route interests me

[hollow lion]

I believe so

Apparently theres a few new errors because of weirdly placed code for the bonus of the expansion pass

[tranquil urchin]

I swear all these ultra historical mods have the worst game design ever known to man

[fading walrus]

Agreed accuracy over fun

[winged barn]

this is true.

[winged barn]

black ice is

hell: the hearts of iron 4 mod

[winter tartan]

Maybe something like the Greater Germanic Reich?

Where you don't get that many cores but symbolise your hegemony

Like, if you are independent and you or somebody in your faction hold Beijing, Hawaii, Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, Australia and maybe Vladivostok, while at peace with all non-exiled Chinese tags you should be able to proclaim your hegemony

And get a few cores as a prize. If Germany can integrate Northern Slovenia, Luxembourg, Southern Jutland, the Polish territories, Memel, German Switzerland and Southern Tyrol if controlled/owned

I suppose it could be realistic for Japan to core some minor Pacific Islands, Hawaii, Korea and parts of Manchuria?

There certainly were Japanese minorities in the last three, albeit mainly through colonization for the last 2

[thick edge]

Maybe like a Japanese empire

Own all coastal Chinese states
Some islands
And core a bit
Like maybe Korea
And some other islands

[lusty rain]

fool, you forgot about them

[rocky escarp]

Much as I only want to recognise that flag as Czecho-Slovakia...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807343287810654278/1409298876900315136/IMG_0042.jpg?ex=68e4e71b&is=68e3959b&hm=57c6c2eaceb48bb2ffb994b71217c5482700a52fcbbcb7ae14a38dc6dfe4dd61&

[flat cosmos]

The hell

[livid goblet]

The hell i'm seeing??

[rocky escarp]

Schizoposting

[rocky escarp]

Not like this was any less schizo

[livid goblet]

More like schizophrenia

[rocky escarp]

I'll relay what you said to the original poster

[livid goblet]

So that nation that I don't Remember the name controls the US and the Jewish????

@rocky escarp you know the name?

[rocky escarp]

My gut feeling says some French dynasty but idk

[stable tusk]

Quebec, it's a province of Canada

It's majority French speaking

And is where Chak is from

[livid goblet]

ok thanks

[livid goblet]

I hate french people.

[rocky escarp]

Lol, not so far

[livid goblet]

🗿

[inland bloom]

Who doesnt is the real question we need to ask

[livid goblet]

Their government have fallen Just like in TNO

[inland bloom]

Damn france

[livid goblet]

Yes

But Alexei. Is him alive???

[fresh cedar]

I don’t like the French but Quebecois are cool

[livid goblet]

Is that name a new parasite???

@inland bloom call the CDC we have an outbreak

[fresh cedar]

Bro the community manager for this discord is Quebecois😭

[livid goblet]

Wait let me see

There isnt

[inland bloom]

Chak?

[stable tusk]

This guy, he's the community manager and he's Quebecois (from Quebec)

[inland bloom]

I dont have my insect spray with me 😭😭

[livid goblet]

Aahhhh ok

[livid goblet]

For what?? Mosquitos?

The zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ahh sound insect

[inland bloom]

For the outbreak ofc

[livid goblet]

Ahhh ok

[inland bloom]

Damn speaking of the devil

[thick edge]

Spray the québécois with tea

And beans on bread

[inland bloom]

Lets invent a tea spray

[thick edge]

Just throw it

[livid goblet]

Ahahahah

[wooden wyvern]

japan's empire was mostly in puppets anyways so i dont think cores would be that big of an issue

like it just be taiwan, korea, karafuto, hawaii, pacific islands, some chinese ports like hong kong, at most singapore and papua as well

which sounds like a lot but half of that is a big pile of nothing as of rn

those were the only things they were considering directly annexing

[wooden wyvern]

its like getting closer to half and half nowdays

but yea its famous for being the frenchiest part of north america

[brittle venture]

The pacific islands each with a population so tiny it really doesnt matter

[wooden wyvern]

yea exactly

like palau had one of the larger populations iirc and its literally like 10k

[brittle venture]

20K in game

[wooden wyvern]

huh really?

[brittle venture]

Im pretty sure

[wooden wyvern]

is that micronesia or smth

[brittle venture]

Tho ive only ever looked at it because it has an aluminium excav decision

[wooden wyvern]

well it doesnt really matter

i hope they make those islands actually useful strategically

[brittle venture]

And japan can core all of them for like 1mil extra core pop maybe...

[wooden wyvern]

the way the american and japanese navys strategized around the huge distances in the pacific was super interesting

[brittle venture]

Btw for reference new zealand has the uh pacific formable

[wooden wyvern]

dont even think its anywhere close to 1m unless you include papua

prob more like 100k

[brittle venture]

And all the islands including new zealand combined are less pop than taiwan

[wooden wyvern]

new zealand moment

[brittle venture]

No cuz they core taiwan too

[wooden wyvern]

😭

[brittle venture]

And thats a more than 100% core pop increase

[wooden wyvern]

mfw new zealanders are a minority in new zealand

[brittle venture]

Theres just no people there

[wooden wyvern]

but yea i think japan should get cores on all their island claims at least

idk about chinese ports or singapore tho

[brittle venture]

I mean i do understand the developer struggle

Because ww2 was the only time in history these islands were truly relevant on a militaristic level

Before it was all about getting good wood for masts which was only really attainable from the baltics at large scale

[wooden wyvern]

true

[brittle venture]

And thats why they were colonized

But most islands were still simply unsuitable with the largest example being australia

[wooden wyvern]

i mean it was the largest naval war in history taking place in the largest ocean in the world

in that sense it was always going to be unique

and with navy its either total war or no war at all

theres no really holding back at either a strategic or political level

[solid gyro]

Mongolia, Indochina and Burma ?

Don't forget Khalkhin Gol

[stable tusk]

Tbf Mongolia was literally only involved with Khalkhin Gol and the Soviet Invasion of Manchuria, how do you make fun content for a country that did nothing for everything in the middle

[solid gyro]

They did update Uruguay and Paraguay

Even though they weren’t a major focus in the South American dlc

[brittle venture]

for alt hist theres a lot for mongolia

for hist khalkin goi was still very relevant

[solid gyro]

Absolutely

[brittle venture]

and is why japan decided against invading the ussr

and you know its how zhukov got a lot of fame

he wasnt really known before it

[stable tusk]

True, maybe Paraguay/Uruguay type of focus tree for Mongolia (Mongol Empire focus???)

[solid gyro]

That's the more logical choice

Hopefully

[brittle venture]

its kind of weird to me how mongolia and mengkukuo cant get cores on each other

since mengkukuo was the japanese collaboration government on mongolia

[flat cosmos]

I‘ve been wondering why that is yea

Another blessing for the toolpack mod tho 🙏🏻

[static sierra]

Japan feels like they have unlimited population too, not fully sure if they need more (unless the dlc adds a lot of recruitable population maluses)

[static sierra]

In fairness any hopes of actually annexing a significant portion of mongolia faltered quite fast after mengkukuos creation, other than a few boarder areas, would be a fun alt history path tho

[hollow coral]

Since we’re on the topic of mongolia

I do hope they fix the Chinese mongol border to be less like modern borders

[flat cosmos]

We need Mongolian tactics fr

(Catapulting Plaque infested corpses over defense lines)

[rocky escarp]

too bad, you won't even get Japanese tactics
(airdropping plague-infected fleas)

[flat cosmos]

Awe :(

Why no war crimes

[willow root]

theyd need to add new states if they want to simulate the historical border change

[hollow coral]

Or they can alter the state borders😮‍💨

[willow root]

but then the borders will forever be clapped

[hollow coral]

So that’s your argument against it

https://preview.redd.it/modern-mongolias-historical-borders-compared-1911-1962-1962-v0-3og0gkruvxxb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=996217297cc4b7a05afb4e79ff7c1dff99072dfd

Not too shabby

[willow root]

aka they look really terrible

[hollow coral]

It’s just the panhandle your worried about huh

[willow root]

sure they can add them but tbh i prefer a way to demarcate the border into the modern one

[willow root]

no like the left of the country

its so steep 😭

[hollow coral]

They should regardless of how it looks

It only looks weird because we’re so used to how it looks currently

[willow root]

i play eywor and they include the historic border as well as splitting mongolia into a lot more states

but tbh it is laggy as hell

[hollow coral]

Well that’s what happens when 60 new countries are added

[willow root]

yeah exactly

but rn even the revised borders within china arent accurate

neither are some of the warlords

so it's not fully historical

[hollow coral]

Sometimes it’s gameplay over accuracy

Sometimes it’s accuracy over gameplay

[livid mist]

That's why many mods get rid of obsolete countries such as Central america or the middle east, instead of adding more

[hollow coral]

Adding every warlord state doesn’t change any real gameplay except you have to conquer like 20 more states

[livid mist]

If we Go fully historical we might aswell add a wide internal stability and economy feature

But that isnt fun
And its all about fun

[willow root]

the xi'an clique is ahistorical

[hollow coral]

They changed that to northeastern army

[willow root]

theyre adding warlords that didnt really exist

oh really??

thank god

[hollow coral]

Although Shandong clique should be called Shandong province

[willow root]

yeah shandong had very little autonomy at the time

what's happening with the japanese puppet states

will they have multiple

the collab govs i mean

[hollow coral]

Probably just changing the name of mengukuo

[willow root]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Hebei_Autonomous_Government
so we wont have this?

[hollow coral]

Could’ve been possible but I don’t see how much it would change gameplay wise

[willow root]

it would probably just be absorbed early game

[willow root]

middle east is fairly relevant compared to south america though

[hollow coral]

Although not against it

[livid mist]

It was a punching bag for the UK and the soviets

[willow root]

by that logic we might as well not give czechoslovakia a tree or rework

[hollow coral]

Hopefully Japan can be able to create collaboration governments

Great way gov, wangjingwei regime Burma

[livid mist]

You only deem it relevant because they have massive ahistorical trees

Same thing will be done to czechoslovakia

[hollow coral]

If they decide to add Indochina as a puppet it should just become a puppet of Japan until they annex it and turn it into a collaboration government

[willow root]

azad hind too maybe?

[hollow coral]

Maybe like starting a civil war in India decision

[willow root]

wdym lol

my point is that czechoslovakia was taken without even a rifle being fired

yet they not only have an existing tree but also an upcoming rework

considering the middle east was pretty vital during ww2 especially for supply lines and the suez i think they do deserve trees

[willow root]

multiplayer guys sobbing

[hollow coral]

Maybe Spanish civil wars decisions where you try to gain control over eastern India

[fading walrus]

Egypt needed a focus tree in GOE

[hollow coral]

Before firing the bullet

[willow root]

100%

no idea why they went with afghanistan lmao

[fading walrus]

given how they were semi independent

[hollow coral]

Basically an Iraq situation

[willow root]

unplanned offensives are pretty cancerous

[fading walrus]

pretty much, though Road to 56 has them remake the Ottoman Empire

and they can core Albania

[hollow coral]

no just the ones before the civil war starts

[willow root]

ohh right

[fading walrus]

probably a reference too Muhammad Ali

[hollow coral]

if they want to be greedy they would do a country pack with morocco and tunisia too

[fading walrus]

given how he was the viceroy of Albania

and born there too

before he became Sultan of Egypt

[hollow coral]

which muhammad Ali again😅

[fading walrus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

[hollow coral]

figured

paradox would be the type to create an achievement to own albania and kentucky (where Muhammad Ali the boxer) was born

[fading walrus]

totally

as Egypt too

[wise oxide]

when diary

in 1.3 hours?

1.5*

[livid token]

/START

[fresh cedar]

Pretty sure they didn’t do that because AI gets super confused when deploying to other countries borders

[hollow lion]

Doesnt one of the AI mods add Egypt since they say it makes the frontline AI better?

[fresh cedar]

I meant old HOI4

Probably would be fine now

Would rather Egypt than Kuwait, Palestine and Jordan existing tbh

But I bet North Africa will be its own theater pack

[crimson tartan]

any second now...

[dull tundra]

lol

[crimson tartan]

NOW

[thick edge]

Ok I bet that this DD will be about Japan

Maybe historical Japan

Just a hunch yknow

[mortal sapphire]

[fading walrus]

Intresting

Tojo, Yamamoto, or Hirohito can be leaders of the fascist party at the end of the historical path

New Logistics companies?

and diplomacy options for the GEACPS

[wise sparrow]

just taking a quick look it actually looks realy good

[fading walrus]

you can ally Chaing Kai Shek as Japan now if you go with a different sub faction in the historical path

thats only if he accepts

though I'm curious if he could make demands like the return of Heibi and possibly Manchuko

[crimson tartan]

i'm way more interested in chinese focus tree but ok

i like this one too

[burnt sail]

Nah the winter logistics company was added in AaT

[fading walrus]

It was?

Huh

Makes sense Japan is getting it

Considering Siberia

[burnt sail]

The nordic countries can get it thru focus trees

[fading walrus]

Didn’t know or forgot because I’m mainly playing Italy atm

[cosmic falcon]

I wonder when the Japan Dev Diary video will come out.

[robust grail]

4 Yamatoes? They really go schizo with this.

[fading walrus]

4 were planned irl

Of which 2 were completed and 1 was converted into an aircraft carrier

Actually no 5 were planned

[robust grail]

Yeah, but unlike irl, SHBB in game is a effective weapons. You don't mess with 4 SHBBs.

[median thicket]

Yeah 5 planned and I think even the fourth was laid down

[fading walrus]

True

But I prefer Carriers

[dull tundra]

YES

[fading walrus]

Pearl Harbor event

Im also curious when Japan will go to war now in historical

Will it be December 1941 or still July 1941

[median thicket]

I hope it will be December now

[fading walrus]

Same

[hushed lion]

Mengjiang focuses

[median thicket]

Always annoys that of the major events Japan going to war with Allies is the only one I think that happens way earlier than irl

[jovial furnace]

Will the hist. Japanese tree be free for everyone - just like germany in götter - or the people not buying the dlc are just stuck with the old tree?

[fading walrus]

My step grandfathers father in law was at Pearl harbor

[fading walrus]

Historical will most likely be free

[jovial furnace]

Since this is technically a major nation, just like germany

[jovial furnace]

Alrighty

[fading walrus]

USSR and Italys historical were free too from what I remember

[median thicket]

Yeah they were

[hollow lion]

Isnt Poland too?

Just with aaawful alt hist paths instead of having nothing

Theyre like 3 focuses each

Trotsky USSR is also free

[crimson tartan]

AYOOO

[thick edge]

Holy peak

[quasi harbor]

Tbh, with so many Super Heavies i see this focus crippling Japan's metal pool and preventing them from getting all the ships built

Multiple lines of Heavy ships are crazy metal sinks

[fading walrus]

only 2 were built IRL with the 3rd being half completed as a carrier

[quasi harbor]

Yeah, but im talking about in game

Few are the nations that have the resource pool for multiple SHBB lines at the same time

[winter tartan]

I do like what they have done

I hope the late-game formable gives a few cores though.

As a reward

[robust grail]

AI won't choose it, but player can get enough resource in China.

[winter tartan]

Superheavies, yay

I hadn't actually read that

[fresh cedar]

Wild dev diary

I like how they have a similar economic situation to Germany which conquest corrects

[thick edge]

Autaurky but Asian

Autarky

[fresh cedar]

Tibet too 🤙

[thick edge]

He looks like a really nice guy

[fresh cedar]

Japanese puppet

Prolly not

[fresh cedar]

You think they’ll only have economy of conquest or another route like Germanys?

[vast shore]

holy shit

Paradox is not holding back

[thick edge]

Only that one

[fresh cedar]

That’s rough 😭

Who knows, maybe factions interact with resources differently now. So it’s alt history paths could solve its economies issues differently

[vast shore]

alright chat, the "mandates" for factions will be called initiative points

[fresh cedar]

So from what I can tell, Japan’s goal is to basically get all of Asia into its faction?

[dense gale]

actually flipping idealogies would bring issue no

every time u flip

u lose half your compliance

or is that getting removed

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully gets removed tbh

[solid gyro]

gotta love that Momotaro easter egg 🐵

[dense gale]

yea

be kinda stupid if u play japan and u conquered all the colonies

and the compliance gets halfed because u turn from non aligned to fascist

[fresh cedar]

No idea why that was ever a thing. Almost feels like Victoria 3

[stable quest]

The “now” order: The current days of Asia

[thick edge]

TNO!!!

[drifting star]

The new order

[dull tundra]

tno mentioned

[wise oxide]

?

[vast shore]

war crime focuses lmao

[drifting star]

You can core all of Mongolia as Mejiang

Can someone ask if they are getting a tree

Or a new portrait for the prince

[wise oxide]

maybe some kind of small warlord tree

[drifting star]

Hopefully

I yearn for the steppe

Japan is getting a formable

[fresh cedar]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[drifting star]

Latest dev response

[fresh cedar]

Let’s be honest it’s just a commie one

[drifting star]

No it will be kingdom of heaven

Actually caliphate path

[unborn turret]

I wonder if expand the Japanese Korean army grants non-core manpower bonuses.

[fading walrus]

it probably does

[hoary siren]

This is actually strong af

800 rubber is crazy

[thick edge]

I mean Malaya/indonesia has a lot of rubber

Combined with indochina /refineries

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

If you secure Malaysia and Indonesia it’s done

[hoary siren]

Yeah but Japan and all puppets now will have the most rubber in the world with this

[fresh cedar]

Wonder how coal will be distributed

[fresh cedar]

That was already the case

[hoary siren]

Nah. Allies had most unless conquered by Japan

[thick edge]

That’s what he said?

[hoary siren]

No?

[crimson tartan]

i remember they wanted to add "mini-wars" in WTT

[fresh cedar]

Yeah but this focus basically is saying you have to conquer Malaysia, Indochina and Indonesia (allied possessions) to gain economy security

It’s not saying it’ll give 800 rubber, it’s saying you need 800

[vast shore]

yeah

[fresh cedar]

Yes lol

[vast shore]

I sent a reply asking if the limited timed war asking for an elaboration on that

[hoary siren]

Oh shit nvm. I’m a lobotomite. I misread the focus

[unborn turret]

That might be a bit OP if you control Chinese land.

[fresh cedar]

Basically need this

And all it does is fix your economy. So you go from having debuffs like Germanys autarky, to being good

[vast shore]

Update

also warlord bro's its so over

[robust grail]

WTF? paradox go schizo focus?

[crimson tartan]

is there any focuses about paratroopers and marine

i can't find it

🥺

[fresh cedar]

What’s this from?

[vast shore]

responses from the devs

[winter tartan]

Dev diary

[vast shore]

in comments of the dev diaries

[fresh cedar]

I mean we can already make ICBM’s, which came a year after the first heat sinking missile

[winter tartan]

I hope it is a progressive decision

[fresh cedar]

1957 first ICBM, 1956 first heat seeking missile

[winter tartan]

Like, first unify Mongolia and Mengkukuo, then maybe integrate the rest

[crimson tartan]

i hope these wars will also be limited by area so i can't invade nanking to win the inner mongolia campaign or something like this

[thick edge]

67????

😱

[fresh cedar]

This is when they had prototypes. I imagine if superpowers dumped way more resources into them it would’ve been sooner

[quasi harbor]

That greater Mongolia doesn't even look to include all of Mongolia

[robust grail]

But we don't have any focus that unlock or shorten time for these things, yet.

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey do with Germany Wonder Weapons and rocket research buffs

[winter tartan]

This DLC looks fire.

[hoary siren]

Because you can get them significantly faster than real life

[quasi harbor]

Only release will tell, but so far so good

[robust grail]

It is not Special projects buff, but normal techtree buff. Or just 50% break through points.

[winter tartan]

If they do China justice, I will buy it

[fresh cedar]

Art goes hard tbh

[quasi harbor]

Vietnam baby

[stable tusk]

Literally 1984

[stable mica]

Do the paths shown also include the alternative path of neutrality? That is, attacking the USSR and so on

[hushed lion]

Striking north is no longer limited to just the kodoha path, it is shared for the historical and imperial restoration paths as far as I have understood

[fading walrus]

Pretty much

Im curious if you can give Manchuko Outer Manchuria back though

[hushed lion]

I assume so

It would be weird if you couldn't

[drifting star]

Mongol path let’s go

A new formable

That’s it I’m preordering

[hushed lion]

Holy peak

[wise oxide]

historical btw

[hushed lion]

I refuse to believe that austria went communist on historical

[wise oxide]

sowiet puppet post war

[hushed lion]

Fair enough

[fading walrus]

Liberalism a lesser known name for Turkey

[wise oxide]

John liberalism founded it

[vast shore]

CHAT

WARLORD BROS

https://tenor.com/view/nasa-cheering-rocket-computer-happy-gif-5662333

[regal bear]

That's actually amazing

[vast shore]

it is

[rain thunder]

autarky for japan

hooooooooly

[brittle venture]

Japan gameplay will not be different anymore because of the army and navy buffs

:(

[rain thunder]

we will see

[brittle venture]

No i can tell

It looks very bloated and its gonna just be inf japan

Crazy funds gain on mitsubishi

[hoary siren]

That’s already the case most of the time though

[brittle venture]

Yeah but no carrier planes anymore

[rain thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219370523348435104/1425173640701411358/image.png?ex=68e69fe2&is=68e54e62&hm=5a18d2c275bad68520a1114feaf56c2af020686741eaa788a0d9e865dce22bef&

yamato gaming

[brittle venture]

Cuz zero spawns on getting the airframe

[rain thunder]

that air focus where you get reseach bonus on improved fighter looks insane

[brittle venture]

So unless its unbelievably goated of a design which i highly doubt youll just license from ita (or tech yourself) and focus on inf

Since 15% inf attack + -7.5% cost to all equipment

Everything else is like meaningless bloat numbers

Tho line arty isnt that bad with an early war

You need army dominance anyway to rush china war

Im not a huge fan stats wise i will say

Tho the content looks cool otherwise

[vast shore]

Warlord/China bro's

we're so back

[winter tartan]

Hearts of China bros we are so back

[fresh cedar]

Wdym not different anymore

Do these not achieve the same thing?

[gilded ocean]

well navy nuclear would probably have to do with a nuclear engine

and the one with the tank probably the same thing or an actual weapon/projectile

[fresh cedar]

Both projects F-Go and Ni-Go were just Japanese nuclear programs. Both to do with the bomb

[gilded ocean]

one project conducted by the army and the other by the navy maybe

[fresh cedar]

Yeah but like how does this work. Do we get one or both

[gilded ocean]

in game both probably giving a small bonus of research separately

[fresh cedar]

I imagine both

[vast shore]

NO

NOOOO

[vast shore]

Did I cause that 😭

[drifting star]

lol g cide button is insane

[fading walrus]

Well thats what happened irl

[vast shore]

no you dont get it]

they are white washing war crimes

again (again)

[fading walrus]

Oh

[brittle venture]

Like

No point doing carrier airplanes

[hard flame]

Hold up, Siam is leader of faction?

[dapper fjord]

imagine..
Circle 3rd and 4th, 4 Yamatos SHBB total..
Circle 5th, 1 Modified Yamato and 2 Super Yamatos SHBB
Circle 6th, 4 more SHBB

[fresh cedar]

Carrier planes will still be worth on ships and if anything carriers will probably be stronger than ever

[zenith sigil]

What is going on here

Nuclear tanks?

[polar jasper]

They cant implement a war crimes button because then the game would be pulled off shelves

Very delicate balance PDX has to do

You cant have the ability for players to commit war crimes (unless it's stellaris) as then it would be illegal, but saying they never happened is also quite bad

Best PDX can do is with fall of city events

[brittle venture]

no lol

not worth researching anyway

[fresh cedar]

Elaborate

[brittle venture]

and thats not the same as japan rn making up to like 10K zeros to compete in air war

youll only need maybe 1K navs at most

and thats already too much

[fresh cedar]

Who uses carrier planes for anything other than carriers?…

[brittle venture]

japan

the nation the update is about

[polar jasper]

Japan had the huge production cost reduction

[brittle venture]

theres also no point going navy side because it doesnt give sufficient cost reduction

like its just worse than the army side

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, buffs should be like 2-3x as much

Atleast for production

[brittle venture]

the navy side should give output instead of cap IMO

with a bit worse production but not a lot

and yeah the cost reductions are just awful

army side is reductions on everything where navy side increases the cost for ships...?

like ships are ok but its never gonna outweigh the power of a competant land army

or a competant air force

[polar jasper]

Wait, navy doesn't even get a boost for carriers planes?

That is a bruh moment

[brittle venture]

it does by the same amount land army gets on land planes

therefore its useless

[polar jasper]

Do you think it should boost repair speed as well for navy dominant

And refit

[brittle venture]

idrc

japan didnt end up being efficient at those

i would just like the naval tree to be relevant which its currently just not

looking at the stats not at the content*

im kind of too lazy to write a forum post over it though

[polar jasper]

Since Japan is mostly fighting the US, what buffs does the US have

I just know better raiding efficiency

[brittle venture]

cost reductions on and research bonuses for medium airframes/heavy fighters

[polar jasper]

Balance the two together

[brittle venture]

navy is an afterthought regardless

air (mils) is more important as is your ability to end the china war

[polar jasper]

I spent 50 dollars on a warships model pack

[brittle venture]

and d day for usa

[polar jasper]

I will get my value

[brittle venture]

its fine for roleplay

idrc

its not what i take issue with

[polar jasper]

Kaiserreich has MIOs to reduce weight

[brittle venture]

kaiserreich MIOs are busted lmao

[polar jasper]

Japanese planes were light, so theoretically Japan can fit more weapons

[polar jasper]

Very

Well, they were probably light because they had less weapons

[brittle venture]

they were lighter/more agile because they had less weapons on

and it was a key concern to their pilots

[polar jasper]

Boost agility stat to make less weapons more viable lol

dies in a ball of fire because no armor

[brittle venture]

https://youtu.be/Mo0P-taNhnM

this channel is pretty good for aviation history if that interests you

[polar jasper]

War thunder made me hate planes because I suck at being a pilot

I actually do enjoy aviation history though. I'll check it out

[languid imp]

but cas pilot is op in ground battles, f190 f8 is very easy to use, an improved stuka

[polar jasper]

Okay, but I don't have one for US, Japan, Italy, UK, France, or Sweden

I only made it to the first P-51 in US before I got sick of planes.

And it was arcade flight models

I'd rather have another tank than have a plane I can't operate well

[wise wharf]

[pastel flume]

and

one down

imagine they let kalmikya form it it be like this lol

[hollow coral]

they should make it a decision if you are in a faction with someone controlling kalmykia

to request it as mongolia

[solid gyro]

#givemongoliaafocustree

[hollow coral]

might be hinting to something

they also hinted to tibet

[solid gyro]

Oh nice

I look forward to both

[cold gale]

Damn

Tibet maybe getting something then ig

[hollow coral]

although im betting more on portraits and decisions

unless they want to add a small tree for mongolia and tibet

[cold gale]

Would make sense if they’re doing china and communist China

[wise oxide]

maybe but they would notice anyways you can rename it in the filed if you want ig

[wise oxide]

yes and they only own 1 state

[hard flame]

Why they have 1 state left when i am sure Siam start with 4 states 💀

[wise oxide]

they lost ww2 and carried coprosperitys legacy

hirohito is alive in the hiroshima island after oosing post ww2 to china in a war that lasted a few days

also ai germany was struggling to push the soviets past ukraine and belarus the balance is not there

i like to play majors on veteran settings

[hard flame]

What are you playing as, communite China?

[wise oxide]

also if i force myself to never stop the time it ads a challenge and realism feeling like ur in mp and you will make mistakes and get ensircled some times

[wise oxide]

i was observing

ai only game

[hard flame]

Oh, you make timelapse channel?

[harsh hull]

Greater Mongolian state formable

We finally did it chat

This one goes out to all the people that believed

[pseudo mulch]

Siberian Tiger achievement just became a whole lot easier

[crimson tartan]

i don't want new releasables and formables give me more mechanics 😭

[hushed lion]

Potentially just the warlord trees

[hushed lion]

Like forming germany as volga germany

[polar bronze]

I wonder if mongolia is getting all four leaders fleshed out like burma did in goe

Seems promising since they get a formable

[wise oxide]

hebei and shandong warlords are the best thing ever because rn i can just build forts around beijing and japan wont ever push me but now i will have a much bigger front to defend

[obtuse cloud]

did the dev diaries talk about a “French Indochina” Puppet? or Norodom Sihanouk will be leader of a releasable cambodia?

[drifting star]

Funny path ideas

[waxen axle]

Tibet get minor content?

[vast shore]

Yes

There will be no puppet

It will stay french land

[waxen axle]

sad

[hollow coral]

Indochina releasables will be getting portraits but French Indochina will not be a country yet

[fresh cedar]

Don’t really think so

Probably will be more relevant to Siam tbh

[wooden wyvern]

bruh

[formal ginkgo]

I just figured out tactical bombers are cheaper and faster to make than stategic bombers

i can make almost 3 tac for the price of 1 strat

much more cost effective

[brittle venture]

What about range to hit all the mils

[stone siren]

I think you could up the range on them to work

[brittle venture]

They have like half the range or something tho

Which is fine for hitting tactical targets like airfields tbf

But thats why theyre tactical bombers not strategic

You dont really have the capability of killing core eco

[vast shore]

what about damage and do strat bombing doctrines apply to tacs

[shy sky]

strat bombing bonuses applies to the strat bombing stat in general i believe, so yes

[frank herald]

when the expansion pass 2 will come out?

[vast shore]

It will come gradually out

The expansion pass is just a cheaper deal for all DLCs

[hollow coral]

the next dlc is coming out 20 - 21st of november

[frank herald]

if i buy the subscription i will get it even i buy it before the new dlc?

[hollow coral]

could you say that again?

[frank herald]

if i have the subscripton the thing that give all the dlc would i get the new dlc from it?

[hollow coral]

i think?

[frank herald]

k

ty

[lilac cargo]

subscription gives the upcoming dlcs to you yes

you will miss out on the preorder rewards if there are any, but i suppose thats okay

[wise oxide]

month and 11 days left

[crimson tartan]

in minutes please

[hollow coral]

French Indochina acted as a sort of puppet state of Japan while having Vichy administration

[obtuse cloud]

japan also “freed” indochinese kingdoms during the war, maybe there will be decision to make them our puppets (like reichskommisariat)

[hollow coral]

Yeah in like 1945

But those decisions will definitely be included judging from the portraits

I wonder if Japan will get decisions to collaborate with Malaya. And Indonesia. Monarchs?

[flat cosmos]

Would def love to see more reichskommisariat like puppet decisions for italy and japan

Like puppeting the egyptian kingdom or smth

[hollow coral]

For Italy they should do add more decisions like they did for Italian east Africa

Probably just releasing Italian Libya

And expanding its borders

Japan definitely is getting decisions to collaborate and form states

[flat cosmos]

The vanilla reichskommisariats from germany are a tadbit goofy imo tho, but then again historically the idea of reichskommisariats as a whole is goofy so

[hollow coral]

I don’t think these Japanese decisions should be treated as reichkommisariats

Treat them more as “liberating” countries

Italy likewise is about expanding the colonial empire not resettling and controlling the population

[wise oxide]

is this vanilla?

[fresh cedar]

It’s from the dev diary

So yes

[wise oxide]

huge W

[fresh cedar]

Presumably the Japanese puppets

[wise oxide]

yall think indochina will be a nation?

malaysia indochina dlc 2034

[fresh cedar]

Not at the start but potentially as a Japanese puppet.

I’d assume Vietnam, cambodia and Laos will be puppets with siam getting the option to annex cambodia and laos

[fleet geyser]

did germany get nerfed or something

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

[fresh cedar]

What do you mean?

[lethal folio]

No dev diary today?

[fresh cedar]

They are generally weekly, and there was already one Tuesday

[obtuse cloud]

literally

[waxen axle]

WAIT

THERE WILL BE FRENCH INDOCHINA???

[fresh cedar]

France already owns it

[waxen axle]

I mean like a puppet state

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think so no lol

[waxen axle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-well-fuck-gif-1445795244027524145

[fresh cedar]

Though it will most likely be releasable with unique country leaders

[crimson tartan]

bro this autumn is HOT ❤️‍🔥

[fading walrus]

East coast?

Because its hot here too

[crimson tartan]

content for hoi4, vic3, stellaris, ck3, cs1 and cs2, aow2 and eu5 releases

I GOT NO MONEY FOR ALL

😭

[fallow abyss]

Remove 'Modern Shogunate'! Remove 'Marianan' core from Marcus Island!
It's not funny at all. It's just annoying!

[fading walrus]

We would have to remove more than just that from many other nations too

Like the whole Serfdom focus as Tsarist Russia

The fascist and communist america paths from my home country of the usa too

Because of how bizarre they are

[sturdy sparrow]

I’ve expressed my concerns about Norodom Sihanouk being here on the forums

Sihanouk did not become king until 1941, and he wasn’t in what the French demarkated as Cambodia in 1936

[pastel flume]

they confirmed it that no

[polar jasper]

What is with the urge to have another colonial tag that will do nothing but die

[fresh cedar]

Adds all of them to GOE so that Iraq can grab them for free, just for Lebanon and Kuwait to not get taken that way

[hollow coral]

The reason that Sihanouk is king is because he was placed as king of Kampuchea under Japanese rule

Most likely they are giving these portraits so when japan creates collaborations states then they will be leader

[sturdy sparrow]

He was not placed as king by the Japanese, rather he was already the monarch, chosen by officials of Vichy France.

[hollow coral]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kampuchea_(1945)

I’m talking about the short lived puppet government

[sturdy sparrow]

I am fully aware of that

[hollow coral]

I could have worded it differently but he is the leader for that reason

[sturdy sparrow]

If the Japanese had gained political control over Cambodia earlier (a player would seemingly get Cambodia as a puppet before 1941 in a regular game), then Monivong should be the leader

[hollow coral]

I don’t see the point honestly

[sturdy sparrow]

And that also ignored the fact that Cambodia, like every other French colony, can be released either by the player or the AI

[sturdy sparrow]

If you wanted to hit the Indies 1st, then Cambodia would be 1 of your targets

I think it’s also feasible for a non-historical AI Japan to get Indochina and establish puppets before 1941

I know lots of people who stop playing their campaigns around 1941-1942

[hollow coral]

Ok

[solid gyro]

Looking forward to Burma’s leader

[hollow coral]

thats already in game

i assume you are talking about ba maw?

[solid gyro]

yes, him

[hollow coral]

yes hes already ingame

[hushed lion]

I do hope Cambodia will get an actual communist leader instead of the 10 year old generic portrait pol pot

[hollow coral]

I doubt they would overlook that

[solid gyro]

given, Pol Pot was a kid at the time

maybe for Communist Cambodia, we should find out about the Indochinese Communist Party members

which by 1936 , the movement was 6 years old

(starting in 1930)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochinese_Communist_Party

[wise oxide]

do diaries release on weekends as well?

[hushed lion]

So far it seems that they are on Tuesdays

[rich eagle]

Hmm

[drifting star]

Would love to see some new special projects

Especially around things like planes and boats

[stable tusk]

It really depends on the DLC but it looks like it's gonna be on Tuesdays

[magic ether]

is this comment in the latest diary?
want to read it full

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

Never have

Paradox staff get weekends off for the most part

[fading walrus]

I wonder if France will get an option similar to this when they get reworked or an alternative option to continue the war from Algeria

[magic ether]

Thank you

[fresh cedar]

Would be a neat mechanic to start seeing

[fading walrus]

France needs to be revamped

Napoleonic tree for example is pretty barebones and its my favorite path as France

[fresh cedar]

Tbh all the monarchy trees are pretty fun for France. Orleanist gets like permanent stability so arguably has the strongest economy. Franco-Spanish has nice cores if you get Iberia. And French Empire has best expansion

But Napoleonic reclaiming colonies would be nice

[fading walrus]

Orleanist is badly portrayed

[fresh cedar]

+1% weekly stability

[fading walrus]

Given how they would be the most likely candidate for action francies and inturn the most far right of the 3

[fresh cedar]

Legit cracked

[fading walrus]

True

Bourbon France needs cores on Sicily and Southern Italy though

Given how the kingdom of two sicilies was ruled by a bourbon

[fresh cedar]

They all could use work. But that’s probably the weakest of the three tbh bc its stability gets ate.

Though you get like 70+ mil core pop so that’s NB

And you rely on Carlist Spain existing

Which doesn’t always Fire in the civil war

[sharp spade]

lets see if japan can get a peace with the allies for dominating the pacific and not having to WC to get one

[obtuse cloud]

would be cool if there was also the speech like in the allied speeches pack

[quasi harbor]

The allied speech pack will trigger the Truman speech of Guns are Silent whenever a war against the US ends

[hollow coral]

A reworked bourbon path should play like Habsburg Austria

Reestablishing bourbon kingdoms

[fading walrus]

100%

[hollow coral]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbons_of_India

Also would be funny if bourbon France could establish bourbon India

[fresh cedar]

What speech

[stable tusk]

If only they made it so you can cause a Carlist uprising

[fresh cedar]

Honestly should considering how little else that path has

Should be able to force Spain to form Iberia then core it

[obtuse cloud]

“the surrender broadcast” was a radio speech made by emperor Hiroito, the first time that Japan heard the emperor’s voice. Paradox made the “allied speeches pack”, a music pack that plays the most iconic speeches of the allied force when certain things happen in game.

I don’t think they will make an “axis speeches pack” or only a japanese broadcast speech, but it would be cool to hear Hiroito surrendering during an Historical Game

[brittle venture]

allied speeches is the worst dlc

[harsh hull]

It IS the one I keep turned off, yeah

And you can't really have a full Axis speech pack, that wouldn't go well with the certain... crowd... that's drawn in by WW2 war simulators

[solid gyro]

have we had any showcase of the pearl harbor raid thats coming?

also, if you want to use any speech of the Axis leaders tie it with events

(not as something to listen in playlists)

like Hirohito's surrender brodcast

[obtuse cloud]

that would be fair

[solid gyro]

for example Mussolini's victory over Ethiopia and Hitler declaring war against the US

[heavy bolt]

well we got the music dlcs esp sabaton

also soviet union content creator pack

[brittle venture]

Those are cool

I like those

Allied speeches pack is the only one i actively disable

Hate

[hushed lion]

Mussolini's declaration of war on the allies potentially

[crimson tartan]

👆

you might ask what was the question

[hushed lion]

To be expected

[vast shore]

Paradox is literally white washing warcrimes and history to be safe

and then mf'ers ask for axis speeches

[crimson tartan]

i don't think most part of players will ever know what this guy with funny angry voice is talking about
declaring war? talking about national policy? reading cake recipe?

[hollow coral]

its not called whitewashing if they are not mentioned

[vast shore]

In the last dev diary they literally changed a focus name from "Kill, Burn and Pillage"[in Japanese] (or something along the lines) to "Anti Guerilla Campaign"

I posted it here

wait

[brittle venture]

Yeah

The irl campaign was very genocidal

[vast shore]

Like dont get me wrong

I know why they do that

I also think its for the better

still white washing though

[brittle venture]

eh?

Its not a game about war crimes

Theyre simply not depicted

Population cannot go down per state

British genocides/warcrimes are treated the same

Which definitely happened, including concentration camps

I would say to not go deeper into this but it just simply isnt depicted on any side

[hollow coral]

forgot about that

[vast shore]

I mean yeah

Its not being depicted is white washing imo

[hollow coral]

❓

[vast shore]

but giving hoi4 players any choice to simulate geno---- or warcrimes is not wise

[hollow coral]

tbf this is not exactly whitewashing, i mean they obviously changed it because its referring to warcrimes but the new name is honestly really broad to be referring to the three alls

[vast shore]

Well

I mean

thats the point

thats why its white washing

Them making it purposely broad

So they don't have to you know

show the brutality

[hollow coral]

they dont want to show it in the first place? It was obviously unintentional for them to include a node to warcrimes

[digital pumice]

nothing ever happens 😢

[vast shore]

real

[fresh cedar]

I completely agree. It’s the only DLC I ever had to enable

Literally so bad because they activate every game, can’t be stopped and overwrite any song you’re playing. And often, even cut eachother off there’s so many

Like peace in our time gets cut off by churchills

[magic ether]

That is not white washing.

[brittle venture]

the concept is cool and good but should only be played for their own nation 😭

[fresh cedar]

And only on historical

[hollow coral]

Does it play automatically with like weighted shuffle or smthn?

[fresh cedar]

I did enjoy it at first but it really becomes bothersome

[fresh cedar]

It plays automatically simply by events happening. Like sudentenland will force it to play

[hollow coral]

Ah

I don’t like it when music fires off from events

Like when Denmark is invaded it plays that solemn music

[fresh cedar]

But some are so close that they actually cut themselves off. So it’ll be half way through a speech and another starts

[hollow coral]

While I was just vibing to the toa soundtrack

[fresh cedar]

It’s so chopped lol

[fresh cedar]

Same

Or Bella ciao

I like the unique music I really do. But would rather it just be in the playlist rather than event fired

[magic ether]

Is the game trying to disprove con camps?

White washing would be to replace the truth.
Washing ≠ Not mentioning

[hollow coral]

I have to say I don’t regret buying the eastern music pack

[fresh cedar]

Paradox developers have made it clear that they will by no means have con camps or other genoc in the game. It’s not the focus of the game and they don’t want Nazi larpers using it

[vast shore]

Listen

I don't care enough

Paradox has its reasons

[hollow coral]

😮‍💨

[vast shore]

and they're probably good

[fresh cedar]

Same, I like the actual music packs

[vast shore]

But the definition is literally 'attempt to conceal'

which paradox does

[fresh cedar]

TOA was overhated

[hollow coral]

I can’t remember why it was hated

[vast shore]

I think both ToA and GoE were overhated

[hollow coral]

Something about no features?

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I genuinely like them because they are the ones that YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY

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Majority TOA paths were fun, and it had pretty good music

[vast shore]

to enjoy the game

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GOE was less fun but still added to the game

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no features forcing you to buy it

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GOE countries are miserable to play

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Agreed, that was always my viewpoint too

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Apart from Iraq imo.

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Especially Iran

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Honestly Iraq played pretty well

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I like India

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India’s tree is just a bit too bloated and messy imo. I liked what they tried to do but it’s so messy

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Pretty much every Iraq plays well and they remade the Arabian formable just for it to complement Iraq.

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None of the Iranian paths are really that fun to play

The expansionist path just takes really slow

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And Iran just gets invaded by everyone and their mother no matter what you do

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Feels like Ottoman expansion tbh

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I mean atleast for ottomans your not going to get in a war with the allies too soon

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Unless Greece invades you and somehow pulls the Allie’s in

Which happens 9/10 times I play them

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For Iran the choices are British guaranteed Iraq, mountainous Afghanistan and British raj

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Or Soviet Steppe. Best choice ig is to go middleast but the Allies defends it so hard

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It’s just really sluggish gameplay

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Yeah

Afghanistan just feels like Switzerland to me

And India is just fixing malices for 90% of the game. Feels like recovering from the Spanish civil war but forever

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Best India path I played was probably the communist path

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Commie is good and the new dominion one

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You can get to a pretty good position in 41

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That’s probably the most viable path yeah

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The historical path for Iran is basically for the ai

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Yeah

And it just gets curb stomped by everyone and their mother

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My biggest gripe with Afghanistan is that every alt his path has a civil war

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They’re so unbearable too. Like paradox prevents civil war cheese of old which you’d convert five beforehand. Bc they give sides equal footing

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afghanistan scales into the stratosphere, india is just OP, iran is garbage and iraq is easy

[pure schooner]

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pretty decent variety imo

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For communist if you want to avoid a civil war you need like 60% commie support which takes too long

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just do the civil war

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Idk if Iraq is easy. Majority of games I have as it the allies invade too early

Like by 1938-1939

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well its very low skill

straight forward

ofc wars arent necessarily easy

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Yeah civil war paired with the whole country being mountainous is just cancer

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Could be said about TOA and Germany too. But still fun

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i played afghanistan before the update

it is so much easier to play now