latest-updates

[fresh cedar]

I think the goal with home ports is to split your fleet up more. No more death stacks but an emphasis on protecting sea lanes

[winter tartan]

Navies consist on small boats and big boats. Small boats exist to stop the big boats from being hit. You use the big boats to destroy the small boats first, then the big boats

[fresh cedar]

They emphasized that they want sea lanes to play a bigger role.

[runic bronze]

ooo you mean like trade routes/supply lines on navy?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, they want you to basically break up fleets protecting these as coal and resources will play a bigger role

So the battle of the Atlantic should be a bit more accurate too

[severe canyon]

Is there like a ratio I use

[runic bronze]

question
Like will dockyards function more like railroads for infantry that invades by island to island?

does it already do that

[crimson tartan]

huh

where's my message

[severe canyon]

How do screens work

[winter tartan]

4 destroyers/1 light cruiser, 4/ light cruiser/ 1 battleship

[runic bronze]

basically screens protect the big ships

[crimson tartan]

no 4k in 2025😭

[winter tartan]

Screens are destroyers and sometimes cruisers I believe

[fresh cedar]

I imagine so. You mean ports will operate as supply hubs and sea lanes like railways? That’s how I envision it. Obviously it’s navy so can have more flexibility but I imagine protecting one solid supply line would be better than shifting it around. Since naval control accumulates now rather than flip flops instantly

[winter tartan]

Small China

[fresh cedar]

New Doctrine rework looks so good

[runic bronze]

like if i played as japan

[runic bronze]

took taiwan

dockyard on taiwan

would it be easier to supply my units than if i just took the dockyards straight up

before like going for them?

[fresh cedar]

Oh I’m not sure about dockyards. Probably depend Moreso on ports for supply. But if you wanted to repair better, then idk

[runic bronze]

ohh ports?

ohh i like

get them both mixed up sorry

[fresh cedar]

Homeport basically acts like an air base. They can only go so far from it

[runic bronze]

ports are supply bases for water and dockyards build ships yeah?

i meant ports

[crimson tartan]

we got army generals and later division commanders were added
we got naval admirals and now ship commanders being added
AND STILL NO AIR GENERALS WHYYY BRO

[drifting star]

I always play with TNO map I hate vanilla map I feel like they could make the map look cleaner

[fresh cedar]

Currently, navies almost act like how planes do if you attach an air wing to a division. This change will make you micro them more and be more strategic at where they deploy bc way less range

[runic bronze]

what are ace pilots for?

[fresh cedar]

I imagine Expansion pass 3 will be an Allies rework along with air

[runic bronze]

even then ace pilots are more akin to officers tbh

waaait waait wait

what if

divisions yeah

[crimson tartan]

for spamming ACE PILOT PROMOTED ACE PILOT SHOT DOWN

[runic bronze]

like yeah hear me out

you know how 100 planes makes a plane division yeah?

[fresh cedar]

Emelia Earhart survives crabs just to get insta killed over the British channel 😔

[runic bronze]

ehh even then how would a air "General" work?

i mean how would someone command hundreds or even thousands of plane divisions?

[drifting star]

She got crabs

Isn’t that like a saucy disease

[fresh cedar]

Maybe they have size caps, different buffs and specializations etc

[fresh cedar]

More like she got eaten by crabs

[runic bronze]

ohh like regular generals that makes sense

[drifting star]

Ah

[proud basin]

still no irish tree smh

[runic bronze]

like what if

[craggy moth]

should get a tree together with luxembourgh albania and tuva

[drifting star]

R U taking about the rebellious catholic provinces of England

[runic bronze]

Air attack/strat bombing/ground attack
Air defense
Agility/thrust
Fuel consumption?

like

ehh idk

[craggy moth]

what ist that even suposed to mean

[fresh cedar]

Maybe planning bombing runs etc

[proud basin]

dream on we had sovereignty in 1936

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I think they should add firebombing

[drifting star]

lol where ur potatos

[runic bronze]

and you could only apply certain generals onto certain air wings depending on their attack spin (Air superiority/air attack for fighters, ground attack for CAS, strat bombing for tacs/strategic)

[fresh cedar]

HOI4 would be cool if it had the devastation mechanic from Stellaris lol

[craggy moth]

shoved up yer

[runic bronze]

up the ra?

[drifting star]

I joking chill

[proud basin]

up the ra is right

[crimson tartan]

1000 - air army with 1 "air general" assigned
100 planes (1 air division) - default commander (like division commander) that can be promoted to general

[craggy moth]

played with the better mechanics devistation and war exhoustian as chezs agaisnt germany and i dont think ai can handle it

[proud basin]

for legal reasons thats a joke

[fresh cedar]

I mean lowkey exists when infrastructure gets bombed

[drifting star]

Factions rework

[runic bronze]

None of us are a part of the IRA

[drifting star]

What will happen to afgan Islamic faction under new faction update ?

[fresh cedar]

Roth IRA 😤

[fresh cedar]

What will happen to any alt history faction

[drifting star]

Ottomans might have just gotten easier

[fresh cedar]

Like French Empire’s Confederation of the Rhine, Germanys Mitteleuropa, Russia’s 4th International etc

[drifting star]

Isn’t there a faction goal of unification ?

[proud basin]

sets certain goals that will inevitably ruin my playthrough by somehow getting me into a war with usa after i declare on luxembourg

[fresh cedar]

US may have separate peace deals from allies now

[craggy moth]

some poor intern is going to have to connect preexisting faction goals to the factions

[winter tartan]

Either they won't revisit them (most likely) or will have fun updating every single useless faction in game

[fresh cedar]

Mitteleuropa and 4th international prob will

They’re common

[proud basin]

I really want to believe i wont get abused by allies over a minor war but i dont see that happening

[craggy moth]

czech entate becouse of the dlc

[drifting star]

You ever wonder if the coders are told ahead of time what’s in the update , can you imagine entering your office and then telling you about this rework

[winter tartan]

Yeah, those are basically axis 2.0 and commintern 2.0

[wise sparrow]

hi hi
first time speaking
there’s gonna be Czechoslovak changes in like Q2 of 2026 I believe

I honestly can’t wait

[fresh cedar]

Depends where you start it I think. But sounds like it should be less invasive

[winter tartan]

But I am talking about shit like the London bureau of Commie Spain and other useless shit

[craggy moth]

youd love the "rise of the lion" mod which is a giant czech rework, i heavely reccomend it

[fresh cedar]

I imagine they’ll have generic setups for ideology

[wise sparrow]

I was genuinely looking for something related to it 😭 I love playing Czechoslovakia

I’ll take this in mind

thanks

[drifting star]

I have never played a Czech

Chess.com tho is another story

They everywhere

[wise sparrow]

their focus tree in vanilla is really outdated but it’s still pretty good playing them

[craggy moth]

czechoslovakia is so fun, even with the small focus tree

[wise sparrow]

RT56 did a good job I think with its focuses

[fresh cedar]

I find it interesting how negative a reception the cost is having with the consumers. People don’t seem to like the $48

Across all platforms lol

[drifting star]

48 is not bad since they are giving so much

[wise sparrow]

though I do find the RT56 focuses a bit short overall but I’ve never really played RT56 long term so I dunno if there’s any new focuses after

[proud basin]

50 quid so they have a free pass to release bad dlcs is a bit egregious

especially considering the czech dlc is a massive 50/50

[fresh cedar]

It’s basically $50 which is very comparable to the price of a full new game. In an era where people can barely afford to eat

[burnt sail]

tbh for that price they should all atleast the rest of SEA countries and NZ

[runic bronze]

like honestlyy i wish we had more unions tbh

[wise sparrow]

I honestly just get the money with cs2 weekly

[drifting star]

That’s true , let’s be honest here if your spending money it’s should be spent on food first and if that’s an issue please don’t play these games

[fresh cedar]

No Malaysia, No New Zealand, No Manchuko. But it’s a pacific war DLC

[wise sparrow]

I just got like euros from these 2 weeks with just pure luck

[crude jolt]

This czech dlc better be the best focus tree to date

[runic bronze]

like yeah i don't have a job cause i'm a minor but like do unions help tbh?

[wise sparrow]

isn’t it gonna be in 2026 Q2

which is

2026 around November

[fresh cedar]

I bought the dlc already. I’m angry for others who couldn’t afford such an extravagance

[wise sparrow]

I shed a tear

[wise sparrow]

I can almost afford it

[crude jolt]

No

[fresh cedar]

And it’s $48 on top of the fact that many bought MTG. Yet they get nothing haha

[wise sparrow]

I have to wait a few months unless I get a pure jackpot but I’ll manage to afford it

[runic bronze]

man i hate how we normalized the mindset that people who can't afford nice things don't deserve it

[crude jolt]

Hoi4 > hoe food

[wise sparrow]

cs2 prime is such a steal

[proud basin]

q 2 is anywhere between april-june no?

[wise sparrow]

is it?
I have no idea

[barren tusk]

I would have chosen manchuko focus tree than Australia

[fresh cedar]

Bro fr

[runic bronze]

OUR dlc comrade

[proud basin]

4 quarters so q2 is months 4-6

[drifting star]

Deserve it’s called living ? I want people to have food before entertaining themselves

[wise sparrow]

wait is Australia getting some content

holy finally

[fresh cedar]

I would have chosen Manchuko over Czechia, Siam, Phillipines and Indonesia combined

[runic bronze]

yeah fair but like

legit why don't we just give people food for free man

[barren tusk]

Well Siam is new no focus tree so

[runic bronze]

like straight up

[proud basin]

who needs food when potatoes duplicate themselves

[barren tusk]

Yeah but not new Zealand

[wise sparrow]

Siam focus tree too

🥹

[fresh cedar]

It is getting a focus tree in this expansion

[drifting star]

Also 50 dollars in most western countries means not eating fast food for a couple of days.

[runic bronze]

lets move to off topic if we discuss this tbh

[barren tusk]

Yeah I prefer x100 times this

[wise sparrow]

dude that can like
that pays off all your bills besides rent in my country

[runic bronze]

yeah true but like minimum wage here is 7.25$ because the united states of america hates poor people

[wise sparrow]

🥹

[fresh cedar]

Why? I think how people receive a price hike is valuable information for paradox

[craggy moth]

ok but who goes around eating fast food more then weekly

[drifting star]

A lot of people in the US

[craggy moth]

the price is a good discussion point

[drifting star]

I work in fast food

[craggy moth]

AMERIKA

[barren tusk]

50 dollars for a pack of DLC is something no gamer in 2015 would have expected since 60 dollars was the expensive value for a full game

[fresh cedar]

Like the last expansion was nearly 25% less.

[runic bronze]

yeah but if i talk about money then i'm gonna talk about the economy and then i'm gonna start ranting about U.S imperialism and car culture/car reliant infastructure

[proud basin]

set up a cheeky poll, is the price point too much

[wise sparrow]

maybe off topic but Albania really missed its mark with the italian DLC

I really wish it got something

[barren tusk]

Another one with Albania lol

[runic bronze]

would rather discuss this in #off-topic if i'm gonna rant about the united states, I hate being a commie sometimes 😔

[proud basin]

albania tuva ireland bhutan nepal and luxembourg

[fresh cedar]

The global economy was a bit better off during the last expansion, which was 25% less money.

From $40 to $48, and arguably has a smaller scope than waking the tiger as Manchuko is left out.

[craggy moth]

i think the czech dlc and unit pack were added in is just to inflate the price of the expension pass

peaple dont buy unit packs

[barren tusk]

Ireland will get his focus tree when UK is reworked

[drifting star]

Oh yeah so true, let’s remember that this games Been getting support longer than most triple A titles.

[proud basin]

and it will be glorious

[wise sparrow]

I don’t think Albania is getting content any time soon

[runic bronze]

ehh it could be a lot of things that are responsible

[wise sparrow]

💔

[runic bronze]

tarrifs for one

[wise sparrow]

I have a very good vision for the democratic path for Albania

[fresh cedar]

Paradox should genuinely survey its consumers right now in light of the price hike lol

[drifting star]

Also R56 exists

[crude jolt]

Great moravia and west slavia formables soon

[drifting star]

They prolly did, US is main audience to most of us it’s a decent price if your single adult male

[craggy moth]

they should jsut set them all at €20 and the old ones for cheaper

[wise sparrow]

wait is the us getting a rework

[proud basin]

if anything im surprised the mongols aint got anything yet

[wise sparrow]

I forgot

[craggy moth]

is gottedamerung still 25?

[wise sparrow]

hopefully yes

???

[barren tusk]

About Czechoslovakia I will take it but I am a bit disappointed it's only an alt change focus tree

[craggy moth]

nop

[wise sparrow]

Are we deadass

💔

[barren tusk]

I was a Mongolian believer afterall

[craggy moth]

its prop a big rework but should not cost more then €7,5

[stable tusk]

Not confirmed for this expansion
But MtG is getting integrated so who knows

[runic bronze]

Yeah mate I'm trying not to talk about politics in the hoi4 channel 😔

[fresh cedar]

I mean like post release. Look at the release trailer for this dlc on every platform. 80% of the comments are flaming paradox for the price. This doesn’t look good for them 😭

[barren tusk]

I don't know why historical is not reworked thi

[craggy moth]

yeajeyajwe get it

[wise sparrow]

the Yugoslavia content could be way better and it could honestly do really well but it was done so long ago so the content is really short

[proud basin]

shouild let you revive ghengis to take over russia

[wise sparrow]

it hit me randomly but

a balance of power for the us is perfect though

[barren tusk]

Same happened for graveyard of empires. First thing was price issue and then bugs

[stable tusk]

It is, they might put historical in the base game

[runic bronze]

yeah tbh i should touch grass more oftenn ugghhh

[drifting star]

Hate to be that guy but most of those are kids or genuine party poopers finding a reason to complain

[craggy moth]

the price is pretty insane tough

[burnt sail]

this is good, maybe if they get flamed enough, theyll add more to the dlcs for the same price

[fresh cedar]

Paradox and specifically the HOI4 team can not afford another GOE.

[runic bronze]

buddy 50$ is like a lott tho

[barren tusk]

Historical in the base game is shorter than generic focus tree

[wise sparrow]

I didn’t find GOE that bad in terms of content besides the price

[craggy moth]

i hope they do regional prices for poorer countries

[runic bronze]

that's like near the price of the base game

[wise sparrow]

Kosovo with 450 euros a month

🥹

[proud basin]

cant condone 50 quid, then itll be 60 then 70 then 100

[stable tusk]

No like the integrate the new historical tree while making people pay for the new alt history stuff

[wise sparrow]

that reminds me

isn’t that like

[fresh cedar]

Allegedly they do

[drifting star]

Most DLCs cost 50 bucks have you ever played battlefield or COD

[craggy moth]

i can eat for like 2 weeks for €50

[drifting star]

Just play the mods

[barren tusk]

That's could be the explanation why Czechoslovakia is the only country reworked in a DLC? If so we could have had Romania Yugoslavia maybe?

[fresh cedar]

The more you pay, the higher they hike it

[proud basin]

and they are terrible games tbf

[drifting star]

Bf4 was awesome

[fresh cedar]

I think they wanted to with GDR but couldn’t fit it in so are squeaking it in now

[proud basin]

last one i played was bf1

[barren tusk]

Hmmm we will see

[craggy moth]

idk, some peaple wanted it reworked as part of gotterdamerung (like hungary) so tahts prop the reason they did it, maybe secret luxebourg tree?

[runic bronze]

buddy battlefield and cod get away with that because like their fanbases are more willing to buy stuff like that

[burnt sail]

keep flaming paradox if you want things to change, ill tell u that much

[barren tusk]

Who knows

[wise sparrow]

I think the countries that don’t have a focus tree in Europe should get one soon
then the smaller countries with old content should be reworked in Europe

[proud basin]

exactly, let them know what we want

[fresh cedar]

Sorta worked with GOE

[wise sparrow]

I loved how they did Belgium in Gottedammerung

I keep changing with topics but still

[craggy moth]

the bribery charges being random is annyoing but the rest is fun

[stable tusk]

They said that the Rt56 guys pitched the idea to them and they felt like it was too good to pass on
I think that's either in the Steam store or new dev diary

[runic bronze]

tbh paradox is probably a rich company by now lemme check their net worth rq

[burnt sail]

exactly

[craggy moth]

prop a test to see how it goes

[fresh cedar]

But yeah when people say price and economics aren’t relevant in here. I say they are extremely relevant. This discord gauges the way at which their consumers think.

[proud basin]

then again that leads to luxembourg having 400+ focuses and france having 50

[barren tusk]

We will see how richer with EU5

[runic bronze]

1.92 billion is a lot of money tho

[wise sparrow]

isn’t socialist Belgium like the best path overall to survive

you can get rid of some malice’s quickly, send SIX divisions to Spain and get some pretty good xp there

the other focuses take so long

[runic bronze]

shit i wonder how much they pay their employees

[barren tusk]

Btw I have to buy it

[fresh cedar]

Years ago, I used to buy stellaris, EU4, CK3 and HOI4 dlc. Now I only buy HOI4 dlc as it’s just too much

[drifting star]

Btw 50 dollars is a lot im not saying it’s cheap im only saying that its more than what most dlcs from other games have given

[fresh cedar]

Even if I can afford it, I refuse to support it

[barren tusk]

Ajajjaja imagine a paradox enjoyer spending over 100 dollars for EU5 and the expansion

[runic bronze]

I dunno man Karl Marx had a lot to say tbh

[drifting star]

Fair enough I respect ur opinion

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[wise sparrow]

dude that
that can almost buy the entirety of Moldova

and also like 15% of Kosovo

how it feels to be almost richer than some European countries

[runic bronze]

what the hell

[craggy moth]

mayb he should write a book or 2

[wise sparrow]

I spent 14 euros on cs2 prime

best investment I ever made dude

[craggy moth]

what i dont like about paradox is that you need dlc's for essential mechanics

[runic bronze]

yeah he should make sure that the first letters of his books are Capital cause Das how ya do it probs

[wise sparrow]

maybe it’s just my luck but I keep getting a ton of good stuff from weekly which I sell

[barren tusk]

The real question is, would you think the japanese dlc drop will surpass graveyard of empires in bugs?

Yes
No

[wise sparrow]

Truth nuke …

[wise sparrow]

I don’t think so

[proud basin]

never gonna change it now, they are making millions

[runic bronze]

that's so real tbh

[fresh cedar]

Capitalism also reacts to a loss of demand due to price

[runic bronze]

yeah but like unions and strikes are the enemies of capitalism

[proud basin]

looking at a supply demand graph

[runic bronze]

that's why they got the police

[fresh cedar]

I think we as consumers really have to consider if this expansion is worth it. Or if it’s better to just buy individual dlc

[runic bronze]

yeah i'd rather wait untill the individual dlcs come out

[fresh cedar]

Buy the necessity, not the package

[craggy moth]

guys help biggas spider

[proud basin]

im prolly not gonna buy any of them before seeing the general consensus, played goe like twice after pre purchasing

[craggy moth]

going to trhow a book at it

[runic bronze]

can you settle it peacefully?

[proud basin]

just pick it up

[barren tusk]

I mean Czechoslovakia dlc is just 1 item I don't think it will cost more than 5 dollars

[craggy moth]

NO

[runic bronze]

ehh me dunno what if the spider is your friend or some shit

[fresh cedar]

Tbh only Iraq is worth playing atm. The others are playable tho

[proud basin]

aint gonna do nothin

[craggy moth]

why did i move out now i cant rely on family

[runic bronze]

what if they're killing mosquitoes or flies or smth '

[barren tusk]

They said Afghanistan will have more content?

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I mean, do we really need cosmetic packs to pad the price up?

[craggy moth]

i got a longlegs for one

[fresh cedar]

It’s okay

[craggy moth]

this si a discusting one

[wise sparrow]

I’ll reiterate this but I really didn’t think the GOE content was THAT bad ngl
it was just the price I think
I dunno since I never ran into bugs myself but I enjoyed the Indian, afghan and the Iranian focus tree to an extent

really didn’t like how short the Iraqi one is

[proud basin]

just grab it and put it outside

[runic bronze]

honestly am i the only one in here who hates capitalism 😔

[proud basin]

aint that hard

[fresh cedar]

It released so unplayable that my first 8 games of it legit perma crashed or broke so I had to restart.

[craggy moth]

y'all are carzy

[barren tusk]

Ofc not I'm fact in the expansion pack 1 I don't use the models of tanks or any other armored vehicle

[wise sparrow]

IT WAS THAT BAD??

[barren tusk]

Ajajjaja

[wise sparrow]

it released when I was asleep so I have no idea what happened

[fresh cedar]

I have 6k+ hours in hoi4 and I had to stop playing around GOE release because it ruined every game I had, not even just with the new countries

[wise sparrow]

so I thought everyone was just getting mad at small things

[wise sparrow]

?!?!???

[fresh cedar]

It was unplayable

[barren tusk]

How they could ruin your game?

[runic bronze]

that's what happens when you use AI in your games

[fresh cedar]

Like game breaking bugs legit would end runs every game

[proud basin]

skill issue, if you cant go near a spider how do you plan of ever transending hoi4 and going outside

[wise sparrow]

oh yeah didn’t they use ChatGPT for that dlc

That’s

Incredible

[hollow lion]

tbf NSB had some pretty bad bugs on release

[runic bronze]

Yeah this is why I'm an anarchocommunist tbh 😔

[hollow lion]

But everyone forgot because it was liked a lot

[fresh cedar]

As the new countries, bugs would prevent you from moving divisions. From declaring war. It would insta capitulate you, or force you to become a puppet. Or randomly hand your land over.

As other countries you were pulled into wars, lost land, or even broke your divisions

[barren tusk]

Btw guys do you have any resources to reduce USSR lag when they are going to civil war?

[wise sparrow]

I dislike the Kosovo borders in hoi4

[hollow lion]

Doesnt exist

[wise sparrow]

Why does it look so MUNTED

[craggy moth]

threw a book and it fell down

going to throw a bigger book at it

[fresh cedar]

No lol, even with a great computer it makes mine freeze for a sec lol

[barren tusk]

F

[barren tusk]

JAJAJAJAJJA

Mine too but for 5 seconds

[fresh cedar]

I specifically built my PC to run HOI4 well

[wise sparrow]

is there any good mod to essentially stop the very small countries from lagging your game

[proud basin]

most degenerate thing ive ever heard

[runic bronze]

You built your pc?

[fresh cedar]

Maybe?

[wise sparrow]

my pc is alright but it runs so slow from 1940 I barely play long term

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[runic bronze]

Niceee

[craggy moth]

guys the biggas spider is dead

[runic bronze]

idk how to build pcs frfr

[wise sparrow]

maybe it’s the sudden frame drop from 1936 compared to 1940 but it feels unplayable

[fresh cedar]

DDR5, and high end Intel processor bc single core performance beats AMD 😂

[wise sparrow]

isn’t the engine for hoi4 just really outdated and unoptimized

[fresh cedar]

It’s honestly not hard. Basically everything feeds into your motherboard

[astral pewter]

Yes

[runic bronze]

TFR moment

[fresh cedar]

Clausewitz effectively runs off a single CPU core, so yes

[proud basin]

look up a yt tutorial

[wise sparrow]

I shed a tear

[barren tusk]

I can't believe you need a good pc to play hoi4 when it's a 2D model overall and does not have reluctant additions

[fresh cedar]

Could have a 24 core processor, and hoi4 effectively runs off 1

[barren tusk]

I can understand for GTA 5

[wise sparrow]

no the graphics overall doesn’t cause the game problem

oh wait

nvm

[runic bronze]

here's a simple reason why: Hoi4 is a spreadsheet larping as a game

[astral pewter]

God I love games that cant use more than 2 cores effectively

[wise sparrow]

disregard my last statement I thought you were being legitimate

[fresh cedar]

It runs a lots of calculations believe it or not

[wise sparrow]

Incredible

[runic bronze]

yeah tbh imagine that

[fresh cedar]

I mean moreso than triple A games even

[runic bronze]

i bet the processing power it takes to run a single combat is enough to take us to the moon and back 5 times

[astral pewter]

Our cpus be dying because some gun number needs to be calculated every millisecond

[runic bronze]

more like uhh

500 tbh

[barren tusk]

Triple A what kind of games are fps?

[fresh cedar]

Like I can run cyberpunk well and HOI4 still stutters at times

[wise sparrow]

didn’t hoi4 drop 2016

[runic bronze]

pcs are crazy tbh

[wise sparrow]

surely there were better options at the time for a game engine

[barren tusk]

So EU5 will be an oven

[runic bronze]

like you're telling me went to the moon with something that can't even run minecraft?

[amber thistle]

Of course

What was it, several kb of ram?

[fresh cedar]

No, the newer versions of Clausewitz are better optimized

[runic bronze]

Like i can understand moon landing deniers but like

mate that shit happened

the USSR knows that shit happened

[fresh cedar]

Like CK3 and Victoria 3 run well

[barren tusk]

Hmmmm

Cool

[wise sparrow]

speaking of Europa universalis I’ve never played it before

I know Albania is in it
should I get EU5 when it drops

[barren tusk]

Ajajjaja I will buy EU5 and will be my first europa universally game I can't wait to play over 400 hours and still not playing good or with a protocol

In hearts of iron I learned when I reach up to 200 hours

More or less what a noob can do

[wise sparrow]

I surprisingly learned HOI4 really quickly

[runic bronze]

Like imagine being a marxist leninist country and the imperial core lands on the moon

[wise sparrow]

maybe it was because I came from that one hoi4 Roblox game but I grasped everything quite quickly

the combat had me stunted for a while but now I know it

[barren tusk]

The moon haunts you

[runic bronze]

for me it took like

many many hours

hundreds even

and there's still shit i don't understand

[wise sparrow]

It took me like 3 games to understand all the fundamentals and some other stuff

[barren tusk]

Hoi,4 roblox

Sounds like temu versión

[wise sparrow]

bittersyeel helped me out bruh

[wise sparrow]

rise of nations

[runic bronze]

roblox has a temu version of everything tbh

[barren tusk]

My first Hoi4 content creator was isorrowproduction

[wise sparrow]

I don’t know I’ve always just liked complicated and rts games in general so maybe that’s why I just got the hang of HOI4 so quick

[barren tusk]

Cool guy

I like his accent

[runic bronze]

yeah rts is goated tbh

[wise sparrow]

the only reason I know who bittersyeel is is because of his Albania video

[barren tusk]

Except applying for a job

[wise sparrow]

💔

[runic bronze]

you can just be a roblox developer and have roblox take 70% of your profits lmao

[wise sparrow]

isn’t bittersteel like Belgian

[barren tusk]

Honestly I don't know Albanian history. I don't know what monarchist path they could do?

[barren tusk]

🥀

[wise sparrow]

I honestly do not gaf about King Zog and I never have researched about him

however I do have a pretty good democratic path in mind for Albania

[barren tusk]

I never play generic focus tree countries

[wise sparrow]

I did light research actually nvm but he was a horrible leader just overall

he refused to industrialize in any way possible or just resisted it
he made the greek communities dissatisfied with the lack of modernization, while in the north, Albanians expressed discontent because Shkoder was not chosen as the capital
additionally he allowed the traditional blood feud system (where the killing of a family member often required revenge by another relative) to continue

this is just the surface

[fresh cedar]

They’re a fun challenge for formables. IMO El Salvador and Morocco are fun

[wise sparrow]

oh yeah he also made a lot of ethnic Albanians angry because he dropped the Kosovo problem

while I’m not a irredentist myself a lot of albanians are

you can tell how that turned out (I think this guy had like 55+ assassination attempts with him returning fire once)

[wise sparrow]

isn’t Morocco just Spain with a generic focus tree

or am I not recalling

I should prolly move to another channel

[fresh cedar]

End goal

Cores this

[wise sparrow]

nvm that didn’t work

[wise sparrow]

Incredible

[polar jasper]

Hol up, an entire paid DLC for only Czechoslovakia?

We truly live in a society

Guess im spending 50 dollars for Czechoslovakia

[fresh cedar]

Yes Jon

[polar jasper]

Well, I try to make videos on hoi4, so im getting the expansion pass anyways

[quasi harbor]

Actually, you are paying 50$ for Czechia and Slovakia

[polar jasper]

50 dollars for the expansion pass

[weary crater]

50$ for Siam, Indonesia, Australia, Philippines, Japan, China (and all other Chinas), Czechoslovakia and new mechanics including a doctrine and naval rework

[polar jasper]

You think this is cheap?

[weary crater]

No

[polar jasper]

Exactly, my point

[weary crater]

Don't buy it then

[polar jasper]

Im a content creator

So i am going to

Investment clearly

[weary crater]

Then isn't it like a work expense

[fresh cedar]

OnlyFrance ah player

[polar jasper]

You think I get paid enough for this to be considered more than a hobby lol

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[quasi harbor]

So far we only have confirmation on 2 chinas

Ccp and kmt

[fresh cedar]

Oh my god guys it’s Bubblezest

[waxen axle]

i wonder what kind of formables you will able to do with the new DLCs

[weary crater]

Maybe visegrad for Czechoslovakia

[barren tusk]

Vanilla?

[weary crater]

The quality... the countable pixels....

[hushed lion]

The image loses pixels every time I see it

[rocky escarp]

Vyšehrad, Maďarsko
TRIGGERED

[dark roost]

is there more content compared to expansion pack 1, because that was about 30 pounds, and this one is 40

[polar jasper]

Bubblezest actually commented on my channel saying I needed to rename my Kaiserreich dominion of India video because it could confuse people who wanted to see vanilla India

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[quasi harbor]

Honestly im really excited for China rework

The blue China with all the military cliques around it look so promising

Glad to see they took a lot of community feedback from the last time we saw the China map

[pine tide]

uk rework next year?

[hushed lion]

Most Probably, but not as a part of rhe expansion pass ofcourse

[fresh cedar]

Could be Q4 2026

[hushed lion]

Probably about same time next year

[plush gazelle]

Wait so is there no manchukuo rework in this dlc?

[dark roost]

no

just nationalist china and communist china (for chinese warlords)

[plush gazelle]

Good god

[dark roost]

ikr

[cosmic falcon]

Imagine we get Thunder at Our Gates and Peace for Our Time at the same time.

[plush gazelle]

They’re literally doing the China Japan dlc why not Chinese warlords and the Japanese puppets too

[late hamlet]

I am unsure of how to feel that country packs are essentially renamed.

[fresh cedar]

Atleast not as a major focus. It will most likely get content

[fresh cedar]

They said warlords will get some content, just not complete reworks

[plush gazelle]

Ohh okay I was unaware

That’s good news

Thank you

[hoary siren]

USA will probably be the next main dlc

[vast shore]

50€ is outrageous

and I hate the 'just dont buy it lmao' excuse

[quiet verge]

Nice to see pdx accepting community feedback (in regards to removing Korea)

[winter tartan]

Yes, you have made your opinion clear

[vast shore]

I mean it was just inaccurate

this was one of the very few times where making such a change that seems realistic was the opposite lol

[vast shore]

Yes and Ill gladly keep doing that

I am genuinely someone who picks up money and doesn't mind paying, maybe a little more

[plush gazelle]

good god its only 66 CAD here

[vast shore]

but this is almost full tripple A title level

and its not like they added more to the expansion pass

its still basically the same as expansion pass 1

plus a czech focus tree

but a czech focus tree is useless

[dark roost]

its almost the same price as bf6

or you could end up getting 2 good games for 25 each

[rose minnow]

50$ for a dlc is insane

[wooden wyvern]

Still think they should get things releasable

[vast shore]

it is

[polar jasper]

Until Allies deny Sudeten

[vast shore]

so real

happens in like

1% of games

[cosmic falcon]

The Expansion Pass 2 is already getting mixed reviews.

[gilded ocean]

Too expensive

[solid gyro]

So, no Indo China

[quiet verge]

Indochina and Egypt

Also is Shanghai demilitarised?

[night dune]

are allies gonna carry me (netherlands) to liberation? im fighting against china, japan and axis (historical)

i cant be bothered to play anymore after my whole army got encircled. I need the achievement for liberating netherlands when in exile on indies

[fresh cedar]

Tends to happen when the price goes up 25% on a whim

In a time when everything in life is already over priced.

I paid for the expansion but completely understand the hatred for the cost.

[polar jasper]

Wait hol up, there will be a doctrine rework with new DLC

The meta gamers will have a field day with this

[cosmic falcon]

Do you think that they will lower the cost?

[gilded ocean]

cool

doctrines before were too boring

[brittle venture]

With free update

[gilded ocean]

you pick one and then have 1 left or right choice

[brittle venture]

It looks uh very broken to me

[gilded ocean]

Idk

It just inflates stats

everyone will get the same bonuses

[brittle venture]

Yeah

[brittle venture]

No lol

[gilded ocean]

Maybe AI will not do well with it

[brittle venture]

If it costs more total xp, ussr is screwed

And germany will get the best army by a LONG shot

[gilded ocean]

It looks like less

[brittle venture]

Its already very unbalanced

[brittle venture]

No

4 subtrees of doctrine

With like 5 choices each

So 2000 xp total

Germany can get that by barb easily

Soviets cant

Allies cant

[brittle venture]

(approximately)

Might be more idk

[gilded ocean]

It could actually help nations that gain less XP

Because you can focus on the bonuses that you actually need

[brittle venture]

Absolutely not

[gilded ocean]

Instead of going through the entire linear tree you can focus on the section where you need the bonuses for

[brittle venture]

No? Your enemy will also have that

And just

Have more buffs on top

[twin chasm]

The new expansion looks really good but i lowk aint paying 50 dollars for a game i play 5 times a year

[drifting star]

I play the game almost every day after class / work so I’m good paying

[hollow coral]

Does anyone think burma and malaya would be getting any content in the thunder at the gates

[fresh cedar]

Probably not till late 2026

So a year away from it going lower

[hollow coral]

Manchukuo is getting and update

As stated by a dev reply in the china dev corner

[fresh cedar]

Can you send a pic of that?

I didn’t see that

[hollow coral]

They probably havent said anything about it as it isnt the focus

[fresh cedar]

Wonder to what extent that’ll be. Good thing they acknowledged it’ll be worked on

[fresh cedar]

That’s what irks me a bit.

[drifting star]

What about inner mongol gov

[hollow coral]

Update is a bid vague

[drifting star]

I need the horse horde

[winged jetty]

So do we know how the new faction system will work with focuses that make a faction when finished?

[hollow coral]

But since its to better fit with the content i would expect something like baltic level

[drifting star]

It will be great

[hollow coral]

Maybe even hungarian level

[winged jetty]

Wdym

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully this. Manchuria is pretty important especially since they had a legitimate leader in it

[hollow coral]

Hed probably be a national spirit at game start

But through the independence path you can empower him

I would still be optomistic for more countries to be officially announced in the dlc and theatre pack

I mean the theatre pack only has 3 countries

So i wouldnt be surprised if burma or malaya had paraguay level tree in it

[drifting star]

It’s a system that will finally emphasize the goals of a faction which makes more sense than oh British faction or oh axis , its ideological with a guiding principle

[cosmic falcon]

Do you think Manchuria will get a rework as a surprise in the upcoming DLC? Like with Iceland?

[drifting star]

They confirmed it already the surprise will hopefully be Mongolia or meijiang

Or just a schizo path or 2

A new hitler path never hurt anyone

[cosmic falcon]

I guess we will just have to wait and find out.

[drifting star]

Hopefully

[coral drift]

We need to keep voicing our concerns in the forums

[coral drift]

Should be stated as such, otherwise i'll treat it as no content for them.

[polar bronze]

A secret white russian path for manchuria is better than hitler path

[polar jasper]

Yeah, i know, but it's neat

[polar jasper]

What if they nerf XP gain, or will Germany still be just as busted

[brittle venture]

Ok so think rationally

If you get less xp, the one who gets more, matters more

If they nerf regular gain but not combat, germany does the most combat

If they buff one div training and nerf combat its quite illogical but i guess thatd kind of work

And if you debloat xp too much the average player will get like 2 nodes in before the game end

[brittle venture]

Germany also has been buffed with a lot of resources + production modifiers it really doesnt deserve within this timeframe

[hollow coral]

Spread the word that manchukuo is getting an update

[solid gyro]

Tibet focus tree when

[pure schooner]

No i think ger will still get affected hard by this

[brittle venture]

How so?

Its about comparative strenght to other countries

[fresh cedar]

Guessing these new ship classes are getting added with the dlc

Not the cosmetics

[brittle venture]

You dont luve in a vacuum

[fresh cedar]

Best not to make love with vacuums

[brittle venture]

Live*

[wooden wyvern]

Like a focus tree and stuff

[drifting star]

Maybe new leadership

[hollow coral]

They didnt have any content planned for them

Maybe not a tree

But portraits events and decisions are possible

[brisk patrol]

Are they adding spheres of influence?

France isn't in it as well

[drifting star]

It’s 1936 ofc France isn’t in the faction 💀😭

Spheres of influence lmao

[brisk patrol]

And USA is

[drifting star]

In its own faction representing its isolation policies

Remember USA was nation building the Philippines

[brisk patrol]

so there's gonna be a USA faction from 1936 now?

[dire coyote]

got rid of the ugly ass

yellow

[gaunt sleet]

Will the warlords and manchuko get anything?

[sharp spade]

warlords are getting a touchup and manchuko is getting something just no info yet

[gaunt sleet]

Casey what are your thoughts on the dlc

[gaunt sleet]

Ah ok phew was honestly worried it would be only 4 that seems fine

[brittle venture]

its a dlc thats going to come and bloat axis more probably

for ahist idk

[gaunt sleet]

Though I’m kinda hoping for maybe one or two unique paths (Islamic China with the Xibei San ma’s?)

[brittle venture]

prob will be fun

[sharp spade]

I feel like day one ussr will be a powerhouse if they give it a lot of energy resource

[thick edge]

It is

[gaunt sleet]

tbh in at least how they described it and the fact it’s one country with three modders Czechoslovakia sounds like it’s gonna be really in depth

[dire coyote]

wait does this video confirm that

siam isnt getting anything?

or did i mis sumthing

[onyx hull]

It’s getting something in 2026

[hollow coral]

In the theatre pack its getting content

[hollow coral]

Dont expect anything for the warlords except a tree upgrade

[hallow torrent]

one dlc for czechoslovakia is so sad what is this company

[hollow coral]

Theres actually 2 dlc

[hallow torrent]

I meant more like an entire dlc just for Czechoslovakia

[hollow coral]

Its a focus pack and its only focusing on czechoslovakia

I dont see the problem

[hallow torrent]

"Manage your arms industry" that might be what game is about

[hollow coral]

And its at most $10

[hallow torrent]

it's not enough for a dlc

[hollow coral]

Your buying what your paying for

[hallow torrent]

let alone 10 clams

[hollow coral]

Id expect it to not be as expensive as regular sized dlc

[hallow torrent]

usually when they do country packs they'll do multiple countries not just one that gets annexed before WWII

[hollow coral]

So whats actually the problem with it

Is it the price

Its not supposed to like a regular country pack or dlc

Its focusing on one country

[hallow torrent]

the price and that it's just Czechoslovakia

[hollow coral]

Which means they will give more thought and detail into it

Dont expect more because its clearly advertised for just czechoslovakia

[hallow torrent]

the craziest part is that they're asking for almost base game price for another expansion pass after the last one completely failed

[hollow coral]

Thats unrelated

[hallow torrent]

it's literally apart of the expansion pass it's completely related

[hallow torrent]

don't worry my expectation of this company bottomed out at graveyard of empires

[hollow coral]

Your talking about the czechoslovak pack

[gaunt sleet]

It’s being made by modders and seems to have actual paths for each idealogical branch. They also specified it’s a balancing act between cultures and diplomacy. I think at least in how they describe it and since it’s being done by road to 56 mods (3 dudes on one tree) I think it’s gonna be good and not slip

[gaunt sleet]

I think thunder at the gates is where you should be concerned

[hollow coral]

The expansion pass is a whole nother discussion

[gaunt sleet]

It’s the same group that made GoE

Whereas the peace for our time is by 3 modders

[hallow torrent]

so is it more like that soviet focus disign pack?

[hollow coral]

Id expect it to have more quality control this time around after the goe disaster

[gaunt sleet]

No. It adds content

[hollow coral]

But they really need to expand how many countries are in it

[gaunt sleet]

That’s what they said after ToA

So I’m doubtful

[mellow laurel]

Yeah

[gaunt sleet]

But I’m very hopefully for Czechia

[hallow torrent]

I meant as in by modders to support the community

[hollow coral]

ToA honestly wasnt that bad

[gaunt sleet]

Just purely because it’s, actual lodders

[gaunt sleet]

Yes. In fact it seems the modders propose the idea?

[mellow laurel]

Usually the focus of the expansion cycle is on the “dlc” section of things

Last pass it was Gottdamerung, this pass it’ll be No Retreat, No Surrender

And then Enemy at the Gates will get shafted

[gaunt sleet]

https://youtu.be/v0us16uoQ80?si=LSgYDMP03WJd3SlF

go to 9:38

[gaunt sleet]

yeah it’s made by the team Juno which is the less funded group

[hallow torrent]

I just more found it odd that they're doing a dlc just for czechoslovakia, I more support it because the community purposed it and it's going to support the modding community aka the thing keeping this game chugging

[gaunt sleet]

Watch the video I sent at 9:38

[mellow laurel]

Though I must admit, what intrigues me most about EatG is the thing where generals can establish regional HQs

[gaunt sleet]

Isn’t it thunder at the gates

[mellow laurel]

Right

My apologies

One word difference

[hallow torrent]

I had the assumption that they were just throwing some random country pack to inflate the dlc price

[gaunt sleet]

tbh I think they’re adding that and splitting it from the main dlc to kinda make the secondary one be better

[mellow laurel]

Fair. It’s also a bit because NrNs seems more naval themed than land themed, but then MtG introduced governments in exile, so who knows?

Certainly better than the add-on feature for GoE(Elephant Cavalry. woo)

[hollow coral]

no compromse

no surrender

[mellow laurel]

…

[hollow coral]

im assuming your is being translated?

[mellow laurel]

No

I’m just mixing up names with common phrases

[gaunt sleet]

forgot “urban warefare”

[gaunt sleet]

yeah they’re not as catchy ngl

No compromise no surrender is just too long

[hollow coral]

war of resistance wouldve been a better name ngl

[mellow laurel]

“Enemy at the Gates” and “No Retreat, No Surrender” are extremely catchy phrases that should have been the names for the DLCs

[hallow torrent]

hopefully the new faction rework doesn't destroy old focuses that has you join a faction

[whole arch]

What is this free to play thing the dev team talked about in the announcement? It's free to download for a bit of time, or only free to play for a little bit of time?

[gaunt sleet]

that would’ve been perfect

[gaunt sleet]

What about enemy on the horizon

[mellow laurel]

Ehh

Not that catchy

[gaunt sleet]

Probably free to play over the weekend, how it works with other games usually. Basically it’s a get your friends addicted to crack for free weekend

[mellow laurel]

A lot of HoI4 DLC titles are pulled straight off ww2 propaganda posters

Or from famous speeches or quotes

[whole arch]

Sounds fun, gonna try to get my friends onto the hoi4 bandwagon

[hallow torrent]

hopefully they do an open beta to test factions and get the new resource

[mellow laurel]

“No Compromise, No Surrender” just sounds like someone found out that “No Retreat, No Surrender” was a trademarked title.

[hollow coral]

this looks juicy

[mellow laurel]

See, I figured that was the case for Thunder at the Gates

Because Arms Against Tyranny was similar(propaganda poster for material aid to the Finns during the Winter War)

But No Compromise, No Surrender just is too much of a mouthful

[stable tusk]

It comes from a Chinese poster, that I cant read because it's Chinese
But according to some website it says:
"No Compromise, No Surrender, Fight to the End, For the Ultimate Victory

[hollow coral]

yeah it means that

[mellow laurel]

It’s eight syllables(nine if you count the comma), when most DLC titles max out at seven(Arms Against Tyranny, Battle for the Bosporus, and Graveyard of Empires).

[mellow laurel]

Huh. Probably much less of a mouthful in Chinese

[hollow coral]

like i said "war of resistance" wouldve been a way better name

[mellow laurel]

True

[hollow coral]

rolls off the tongue

[gaunt sleet]

that’s literally what I was saying it sounds peak

[hollow coral]

and is the most common nickname attributed to the second sino japanese war

[hollow coral]

i think its meant to be read individually

[mellow laurel]

A lot of HoI4 DLC titles fit in a three word, six-ish syllable phrase. See: No Step Back, By Blood Alone, etc.

[mellow laurel]

Yes

[gaunt sleet]

It seems like we’re actually gonna have good democratic and communist paths (also was confirmed in video that there are different communist paths). Really hoping for maybe variants of zapidoslavia or great Moravia or maybe a full on pan Slav state (also calling Austria Hungary tree)

[hollow coral]

interesting that paradox decided to choose that out of other titles

[mellow laurel]

Then Paradox decided to mess it up by using two boxes as a title

[hollow coral]

wasnt zapadoslavia like a concept proposed pretty recently?

[gaunt sleet]

they should’ve called it waking the tiger

[stable tusk]

Already the name of a mod about China so Ig PDX wanted to avoid the confusion
(Well it's called Eight Years War of Resistance)

[mellow laurel]

That’s the name of the previous China/Japan focused DLC

[gaunt sleet]

Don’t know

[hollow coral]

waking the tiger 2: electric boogaloo

[gaunt sleet]

woosh

[stable tusk]

It was also proposed during WW2 by the Polish government in exile (it just wasn't called Zapadoslavia, but rather the Polish-Czechoslovak Confederation)

[mellow laurel]

I ducked

[gaunt sleet]

But they included EU

[gaunt sleet]

yeah the joke went over your head

And east Africa

I’m just saying calling for zapidoslavia thing

Oooh

Maybe like “USSR of Central Europe”

perhaps zPidoslavia can be formed faster however USSR of Central Europe gives more cores over time

[hollow coral]

the czech rework should allow you to keep playing even after you are annex

[mellow laurel]

Someone had to do it

[hollow coral]

maybe you have a choice to fight back or sit down to germany and become the protectorate of bohemia and moravia

[severe canyon]

Just play as slovakia

[hollow coral]

and work through the occupied tree

[gaunt sleet]

It sounds like they may have content too

[hollow coral]

id think slovakia will get content too

[stable tusk]

Looks like you might be able to

[hallow torrent]

secret HRE path would be nice

[stable tusk]

Yipee! Ethiopian shenanigans but in Central Europe!

[onyx hull]

Could be good

[hollow coral]

three options ig
fight back
sit down and be occupied (and start putting up resistance)
or become slovakia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_uprising also this happened

[gaunt sleet]

They literally mentioned like independence thing (would be weird if it was like Iraq where Slovakia becomes Czechia lmao)

[gaunt sleet]

unironically so many damn paths they could have the modders were cooking with this proposal let’s just hope they stick the landing

[hollow coral]

yeah so slovak content

[hollow coral]

they might have started working already as they are an independant team

[drifting star]

Silk ur back

[hollow coral]

so they definitely have plenty of time

[onyx hull]

I really do hope it’s good since the Czech tree atm isn’t the greatest

Especially the alt-history paths

[hollow coral]

whatever the pack is it will certainly be better then what we have currently

[gaunt sleet]

yeah I 100% agree

[gaunt sleet]

Somehow Silk Road empire returned (praying for a Silk Road empire path for China)

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-venom-xray-eddie-brock-gif-26261019

wouldnt expect it

[drifting star]

Thoughts on my cooker game

*cooked

[hollow coral]

tno

[drifting star]

Context , burgundy is about to invade, west Russian war is about to start and my armies have been crushed by British and Iranian forces

Oh a Russia is about to start the great trial

[gaunt sleet]

maybe a cheeky achievement reference

[coral drift]

There goes my hope

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/uaghh-gif-26144114

Completely missed opportunity

Honestly i wouldve preferred a corporate response

Instead they make it sound like pessimistic and rule put any possibility of change

[pure schooner]

But its not changing

[stable tusk]

Sadly no NZ 😔

I wonder when they're gonna get updated

Maybe with a Commonwealth pack

UK, Canada, SA, and NZ

[hollow coral]

I am aware of that but they could have atleast make it sound more optomistic

[hollow coral]

The rest of the commonwealth and usa would be ideal

Since they arent doing burma and malaya they could throw it in that hypothetical dlc too

Maybe even ireland

[coral drift]

Hey, if India and Afghanistan gets a better tree after a massive backlash from the fanbase....

But i prefer constant demandings.

[wooden wyvern]

strange to me how they did it

[hollow coral]

Rally the community

[barren zephyr]

Femboy path for Poland when?

[hollow coral]

Im still going to buy the expansion pass

But i should get what im paying for

[coral drift]

I'm speaking with the Indonesian HoI4 server right now.

[wooden wyvern]

i wouldve thought a big dlc for japan and their allies in the pacific, a country pack for sea and other potential allies / enemies in the pacific, and the next major dlc being the usa and the allies in the pacific wouldve made sense

[hollow coral]

Its like $60 or so aud for it

$23 aud is the normal for a dlc

$18 or so for a country pack

I feel like im not getting what im paying for

I’m predicting the focus pack would be $10

[coral drift]

I thought 524k Rupiahs (26 meals) would get me all of Southeast Asia + ANZAC Rework + Japan Re-rework at least

Oh well

[gray scaffold]

the all humble Windows and print screen key

[brisk patrol]

we need New Zealand to be updated in TAOG

[wooden wyvern]

what does anzac stand for

i get the australia new zealand part

but what does ac mean

[stable tusk]

$66 in the Great White North

[stable tusk]

Australia and New Zealand Army Corps iirc

[wooden wyvern]

ah i see

[stable tusk]

Ok I checked, I'm right

Thankfully no misinformation today

[wooden wyvern]

makes sense

tbh i was hoping for a siam + dei + malaysia + indochina + burma country pack

[wooden wyvern]

and for australia nz and canada to be paired for usa

[brisk patrol]

surely we can get a mutual benefit with uk and nz as a focus

[cosmic stag]

atleast were also getting a NEW unit pack aswell

[drifting star]

I won ( def no cheats )

[gray scaffold]

🔥

[coral drift]

I know right.
Where are you from, btw? Am Indonesian

[wooden wyvern]

canada, but ethnically korean

[crimson tartan]

🤏

[stable tusk]

People already reviewing a preorder

[crimson tartan]

and then all gonna cry about 'war of RESISTANCE' got nothing to do with resistance

[crimson tartan]

they didn't even touch it yet lmao

and yeah, all of them are either about high price or "give me refund!"

[winter tartan]

When are we getting the first dev diaries?

[crimson tartan]

30th

september 30th

[winter tartan]

I can understand the people who bought the MTG recently, but if not...

[crimson tartan]

90% bought it in 2019-2021

[winter tartan]

I have like 400 hours, all with MtG, and it has pretty much rentabilised its price

Idk if I paid 10€ for it, but for 400 hours it would make its cost about 2,5 cents per hour

Which is a good deal, especially with the navy because it is so fun

[crimson tartan]

yeah the people just playing this game for hours, days, years and enjoing it

so what's the problem?

in no other scope can imagine demanding a refund just because someone got it for free

[winter tartan]

I could understand if you asked for a refund if you had got it less than 10-20 hours ago

But come on, I can't believe anybody was surprised by the integration of the DLC

[hollow coral]

That’s crazy

[split moat]

man i brought man the guns 2 months ago

bruh i demand refund

[stable tusk]

You could always contact Steam support, if they let you refund it you'll just have to wait until November to get it again for free

[split moat]

idk man i recently play a lot of hoi4

though its all multiplayer

[hollow coral]

That is unfortunate

However in the future I would recommend not buying older DLCs

When the next expansion pass comes

[split moat]

bruh i brought all dlc expect gottdumrung (which i brought today) like 2 months ago

im not mad im just sad

[hollow coral]

unfortunate

[split moat]

hey at least its good for my friends

so its less sad

[wise oxide]

you gave 25 ic to pdx

+0.025 dlc developement speed

[split moat]

lol

[hollow coral]

little teaser

could be something about a kwantung army takeover

[craggy moth]

commi manchuria?

[hollow coral]

i wouldnt see that as a realistic path

but never say never

although communist activity was limited to the bandits across the country

puyi is also not a good candidate as he was only indoctrinated after the communists got a hold of him

[night dune]

what causes navy ships to switch to ''never repair'' automatically? i switch to high priority and 1 scond later its back to no repair

[hollow coral]

not to mention he was released from re education in 1959

[craggy moth]

imean killing the monarch is a commi thing to do

[hollow coral]

interestingly mao didnt kill puyi because he saw it as a propoganda move in sparing the former emperor

as opposed to the soviets who killed the romanovs

[dense obsidian]

Since when was the game realistic

[winter tartan]

Zhang Xueliang Fengtian path for Manchuria

[craggy moth]

i hope they do a stupid VOC path for indonesia with insane naval buffs

[winter tartan]

There are two Hoi4 communities:
"Give me 25 schizo paths"
"Please don't break the game"

[crimson tartan]

bro what the heeeell

[craggy moth]

lmaoo

[winter tartan]

They probably thought a Reddit boicot would do something

[hollow coral]

these are the people trying to do a boycott against a video game company

boycotts against videogames usually dont work

[winter tartan]

They don't

[craggy moth]

well the price is insane, i would buy the japan dlc as it comes out and the other ones when its on sale

[coral drift]

NO

[craggy moth]

https://tenor.com/view/gekoloniseerd-voc-kokosnoot-rubenkoet-funny-gif-13020029

[hollow coral]

its like doing an eic path for india... wait

its like doing a hudson bay company path for canada

all options are bad

[craggy moth]

awesome idea, also revive the mugals

[coral drift]

NSB Indië has the ambition, but they hated 90% of the population

Good luck with that

[winter tartan]

I hope they stick to schizo but not too much paths

[hollow coral]

mughals wouldve been better if it was maratha revival

[craggy moth]

yeaj like one per dlc or smth

[hollow coral]

i hope schizo paths just stay as hidden tree that are convoluted to get

[craggy moth]

also pls giv russia democracy pth

[craggy moth]

yeajj

like stupid gandhi

[winter tartan]

Democratic Russia is too unrealistic

[coral drift]

I've read enough Indonesian history books to know which paths are plausible in the 30s-50s and which ones are not.

[craggy moth]

EIC isnt?

[hollow coral]

can i be honest if nsb included a democratic russia tree no one would play it

[winter tartan]

Even for this game

[craggy moth]

i would

[hollow coral]

the silent minority would play it

[craggy moth]

some democracy paths are fun

czechs

germany

france

[winter tartan]

I would have played a Kerensky Russia probably

[coral drift]

Monarchist Indonesia can be realized in 1940 if they know which party should come on top.

[hollow coral]

ever played rt56 with your life on the line?

[winter tartan]

Czechia is in dire need of the incoming rework

[hollow coral]

the modders probably are already cooking it up

[craggy moth]

its still a very fun nation, but mostly becouse of the situation they are in

[hollow coral]

since they are an independant team

[craggy moth]

rise of the lion is done cooking

[hollow coral]

so hopefully it will be good

[winter tartan]

I trust more the new team than Juno

I believe GoE team was called like that

[hollow coral]

i wonder who would be the candidates of the czech crown

[winter tartan]

The Habsburg Polish one for sure

[craggy moth]

otto

[winter tartan]

Idk if there will be more

[hollow coral]

interestingly austria can put this guy on the throne of czechia

the czech monarchy was a short lived idea before they got independance

[stable mica]

Is the next Dev Diary next Thursday?

[quiet verge]

But democracies are wholesome 🙁

[obtuse cloud]

do we have a roadmap?

[crimson tartan]

they hated him for telling the truth...

[barren tusk]

I dislike democratic role of being marvel

I prefer taking a villain role

[crimson tartan]

damn bro this sub gone wild

[hollow coral]

Everyone’s excited until they remember they have to pay to get the stuff

[signal cargo]

Lol

Personal unpopular opinion, if it only costs as much as a meal and i get to play dozens of hours with those nations nonetheless hundreds with new mechanics, well worth it

[crimson tartan]

bro hoi4 fans are just some really nerds

😭

[signal cargo]

Agreed agreed my friend

[signal cargo]

Loll

[crimson tartan]

i mean
the last dlc i bought is bba
i have no money for such a things yet, so i'm just waiting for sales and save money

why can't they do the same

[cosmic stag]

i cant wait to see the Ranger unit and templates in HOI4

[south meadow]

i bought all dlcs in less than a year

[signal cargo]

Oh damn, so little money

[signal cargo]

Yeahh, i work at a gas station and im able to afford them quite easily

[south meadow]

i don't even have a job 💀 so i just need to beg my parents

[signal cargo]

Damn

[crimson tartan]

unemployed broke student moment🥺

[tired acorn]

Literally 50 dollars for the pass is 1/10 of the minimun wage salary in my country. Even if i earn double that which might the case i will barely have any money due to expenses

i will be very hesitant when buying that

[crimson tartan]

well video games are not vital things
so you don't have to buy as soon as it become avaliable

[tired acorn]

ig so. Considering i wont have a PC for months since ill be moving places

[signal cargo]

Ripp

[signal cargo]

Even bigger ripp

[tired acorn]

My school used to give me money for studying something protected in my country

[hollow palm]

The community should organize against this shit

[tired acorn]

Not happening unfortunately

[hollow palm]

Yeah, sadly

[tired acorn]

The whales with the money which are big part of the community will completely ignore those who will struggle to buy the DLC

[hollow palm]

Imma 🏴‍☠️ atp

[signal cargo]

Most americans and europeans dont struggle with the costs ;/;

[hollow palm]

I usually buy, but this is just unacceptable

Doing this while yet again deleting an old dlc

[tired acorn]

Not everyone is from these places. Im European, i can afford it, but i might not buy it. Its too much. Or maybe i might buy it if im secure enough

[hollow palm]

Yeah :/

[signal cargo]

It benefits everyone

[signal cargo]

Thats true but its most of their player base

[hollow palm]

They stole my money? It's generally okay, but then they should also compensate with something.

[tired acorn]

I dont mind a DLC becoming avalible for everyone but at least compensate us with something

[crimson tartan]

who stole your money my brother

[hollow palm]

Paradox

[crimson tartan]

you can't play with naval designer now? you don't have these focus tress you bought?

[signal cargo]

It minimizes many bugs of mix matching dlc’s, time needed for bug fixing is reduced, and all future content will be built off the content of those dlc’s

[hollow palm]

Are you slow

[crimson tartan]

it seems you

[hollow palm]

Still would want compensation. I am glad that it gets released for everyone but I still paid for it.

[signal cargo]

Ill agree in some way, special content to people who owned it would be cool, but i cant expect money back because a company who returns money to every single customer cannot stand