latest-updates

[near rune]

or attack at night

[wise oxide]

rate ts china

[quasi harbor]

This is a pretty good China

[inland bloom]

better then vanilla hoi4

much better

[wise oxide]

atleast the next dlc is fairly close

no one knows the exact map of warlords

[pine creek]

Glory to CCP

[inland bloom]

true

[inland bloom]

i am so curious for it

[dense gale]

would mil construction speed be further nerfed on civ eco

considering the addition of coal disincentivising doing any scaling build

since ur building more civ to build more mil

to han use that civ to pay for coal

[fading walrus]

I see Coal only being a problem for two major nations Italy and Japan

Every other major should be fine as they had large coal deposits

Or have colonies that have them like Australia

Though Italys coal shortage might be able to be resolved early as Ethiopia has a decent amount irl

[inland bloom]

even germany?

[fading walrus]

Germany had a ton of coal

In Silesia and the Rhur

[lament kiln]

inaccurate...

[wise oxide]

i know but explain

[lament kiln]

you want me to list out the inaccuracies?

[fading walrus]

The problem with China being 100% accurate is it would make performance worse

[lament kiln]

no pain, no gain

as they say

[fading walrus]

Ton of territory inaccuracies ingame though

[lament kiln]

definitely, definitely

[fading walrus]

Especially in the mods I play like Kaiserredux in which they made Derby Line a small town in my homestate of Vermont worth a victory point

2,000 people live there

Burlington whose population is 30k would have better

[wise oxide]

yes

[wooden wyvern]

They had lots of coal but it wasnt as good as what the british had iirc

[lament kiln]

• Altay Special Region missing, Xinjiang
• Naimen Special missing, Xinjiang
• Nirei Special Region missing, Xinjiang
• Hami Garrison missing, Xinjiang
• Kashgar Garrison missing, Xinjiang
• Hunan Province missing
• Inner Mongolian Political Council missing, as are the leagues
• Mengjiang for some reason exists (assuming the gate starts 1st january 1936)
• East Hebei is for some reason directly owned by the japanese
• shanghai isnt demilitarized
• shandong isn't owned by the KMT
• li shouxin's incursion in Chahar missing
• several warlords in the northwestern bandit suppression headquarters missing
• shaanxi clique missing
• several shaanxi warlords missing
• a LOT OF FREAKING TRIBES are missing

thats just a few nit-picks i have and what i can remember from my memory

[thick edge]

Do u have a map

[lament kiln]

a roblox map that i've made myself

[solid gyro]

waow...

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/my-pc-windows-error-windows-error-gif-18869735

[regal granite]

Voltaire's nightmare

[devout mesa]

When next dev diary

[drifting star]

Tomorrow

And then the announcement is Thursday

[stable tusk]

Can't believe there's only three days until the announcement

[devout mesa]

Got it. Thanks!

[fossil torrent]

Can’t come soon enough been waiting for pacific rework forever

[violet nexus]

The dev corners were so shitty for this dlc i don't understand how they came up with this plan of never following their own strategy

You come to see if the dev corner is out and then you realize they changed the date... again... and again to the point where you just don't care anymore

I hope they do something decent and not just drop something unfinished to meet the timeline they never even respected

[stable tusk]

Dev corners are different than dev diaries
These are just teasers for what's coming next, the actual Dev Diaries where they go into detail about everything are after the announcement

[drifting star]

Wonder what crazy stuff they are saving for the announcement

[solid gyro]

Bro the whole poiny of Dev corners is to gain feedback from the community while its in the development stage. Its just a show of what ideas they have and how they might implement it

[drifting star]

Holy shot that’s right it’s really early into development

Wonder if we can get pan Asian movement

[clear vortex]

Peak

[drifting star]

wtf is this ?

<@&846894118219022336>

[polar bronze]

Beautiful

[sturdy rampart]

m

[solid gyro]

Update on sebtember 26th

[low plover]

The factions/naval rework is going to be goat

[fossil torrent]

Does anyone else feel the Soviet AI just loses pretty easily to German AI when you’re not involved in the eastern front?

Seems most of my games the Soviet ai needs help and wonder if this update curb the German ai a bit

When I mean help they always lose Moscow, Leningrad, Baku, and Stalingrad then capitulate not long after

[low plover]

i have noticed the same thing

ever since götterdämmerung

once the germans take Leningrad, Kiev and Stalingrad they are very hard to stop

[fossil torrent]

I’ve had fun playing PrC rushing the warlord states and China, joining Comintern and then sending 72 divisions around Moscow to stem the tide but pretty unreasonable to expect that level of blitz in next update

[low plover]

yea

[hollow coral]

Isnt there another dev corner today?

[oblique bobcat]

Yes I think

[hollow coral]

i really hope for the next expansion pass one of the items in the bundle is a portrait pack

also hoi4 10th anniversary is on the 6th of june

[dry quiver]

They will sneak in US focus tree rework to then completely finish the Pacific/south East Asia in the next country pack

[trim quartz]

There’s also something tonight

Where Manchuria

[waxen axle]

In order to give USA a new focus tree they need to integrate the Man the Guns DLC in the base game

[hollow coral]

they are probably saving it for the dev diaries

but its probably going to be a sizable update to the tree

[waxen axle]

I wonder there will be more resources added in china?

[wise oxide]

what today?

[eternal flume]

When dev corner?

[stable mica]

I think like yesterday

2 p.m. Greenwich Time

[waxen axle]

So 16:00 PM

[obtuse cloud]

15 PM for (me) West/central Europe

[trim quartz]

It’s in 20 minutes

[waxen axle]

I need that dev corner

I need to know what is coming next

[hushed lion]

Andorra focus tree

[pseudo wing]

Everytime we ask about it, I delay it by another hour

[brisk patrol]

new dev corner 😁

[grand flare]

hmmmmm

[north hamlet]

Its the what

[hushed lion]

BLUE CHINA

[main citrus]

america basicly confirmed for the next dlc

[vast shore]

CHINA BRO'S

[smoky atlas]

holy shit shandong...

[hushed lion]

CHINA IS BLUE

[smoky atlas]

AT LAST

[floral geyser]

Lmao, I bought MtG like 3 weeks ago

[dry quiver]

Well well

[hushed lion]

Peak is finally achieved

[dull minnow]

BLUE CHINAAAAA

[cosmic falcon]

Is that a Kaiserreich reference?

[north hamlet]

HORSEY

[smoky atlas]

partly, but kaiserredux bros... rejoice...

[hollow coral]

Shandong should just be shandong province ngl

[smoky atlas]

iykyk

[obtuse cloud]

makes actually sense, british and american focus trees are really small for thei historical impact

same for france in the future i guess

[golden mist]

100% gonna be core Spain for Philippines trust

[hollow coral]

Usa will probably get its own dlc soon

[dull minnow]

Spanish content? Of ALL things? I mean, I ain't gonna complain

[hollow coral]

Philippines

[brittle venture]

Its not too bad

[dull minnow]

Yeah that makes more sense

[brittle venture]

At least itll be free for future players yk

[wet anvil]

i reckon that they integrated man the guns just to make new paths for the usa in the future

[smoky atlas]

maybe spanish monarchy in the philippines, exiles from the mainland?

[hushed lion]

No more starting korea

[brittle venture]

Maybe theyre adding the spanish war plan to invade the ottomans from the east...

[golden mist]

Nah if they did that the flag would be different tho in my opinion

[smoky atlas]

omg...

[golden mist]

Like the Carlist flag instead of the modern day flag

[hollow coral]

If they did a carlist philippines then it would definitely be interesting

[smoky atlas]

true, guess we'll see

[waxen axle]

What?

[hushed lion]

East asia Update + Spain?

[cosmic stag]

they need to integrate ALL other DLCs and expansions into base game

[dry quiver]

They just announced man the guns in base game in the next patch

[waxen axle]

No fking way

[dry quiver]

I can still be delusional about USA focus

[hollow coral]

Just say you cant buy it

[smoky atlas]

i still remember the day they announced man the guns

[waxen axle]

Usa is confirmed then

[cosmic falcon]

So I guess we will get a possible USA rework in the future?

[cosmic stag]

what

[dry quiver]

Need some faith

[waxen axle]

Cant believe it you were right @dry quiver

[brisk patrol]

any thoughts on who the portrait update could be for?

[dull minnow]

Nope, that just means people paid for early access, I understand integrating the older ones, but they should finish the few countries without content they have left before a full rework of the middle DLC

[cosmic stag]

alr

[dry quiver]

Obviously they integrating the dlcs because they intend to rework US and UK in the foreseeable future

[pseudo wing]

I may have made a request or two ;)

[dull minnow]

Thank you Chak

[brisk patrol]

❤️

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-front-man-squid-game-2-happy-celebration-gif-12369111202088932661

[cosmic stag]

id better to integra em ALL

[dull minnow]

Our saviour

[cosmic falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[dry quiver]

Wait so they backtracked on not adding new cliques?

[fading walrus]

Looks like Korea is no more

[dull minnow]

Maybe they'll do it before jumping to hoi 5, but if they integrate newer ones then that means people will buy them less since they can just wait a few years to get it for free

[brisk patrol]

made no sense to have taiwan apart of japan but korea free

[cosmic stag]

alr

[golden mist]

Since they will be integrating MtG, does chat think when they do the USA and UK rework they will also rework Canada, Australia, NZ and South Africa or would it be different countries? I personally could see Ireland getting some content in the rework

[cosmic stag]

i hope they do it

[fading walrus]

Also China is blue

[thick edge]

So I bought man the guns and waking the tiger

Yay

[fading walrus]

Wait what?

[dull minnow]

Since the warlords are only getting touch-ups, I guess it would be the same for the commonwealth

[golden mist]

Man the guns is gonna be integrated in the next dlc drop

[fading walrus]

KMT china is blue I like this change

[brisk patrol]

based

[fading walrus]

I literally just got up

[brisk patrol]

yellow china should be reserved for imperial china

[golden mist]

Fair

[pseudo wing]

That's the argument I made for it :)

[sonic thistle]

Are we gonna get a refund on man the guns? Or at least this DLC for free because if the integration it didn't really mention it

[cosmic stag]

im really hoping they integrate all other DLCs

[brittle venture]

no ?

[brittle venture]

it just means the dlc is free

[pure schooner]

Disable seazones would be free now

[brittle venture]

yipee

[dull minnow]

So we getting imperial china content for the republic then?

Or still just manchukuo?

[hollow coral]

Doubt it

Probably just manchukuo

[waxen axle]

But this means they can rework usa now

[brisk patrol]

Ireland was a dominion up until the end of 1937 "technically"

[smoky atlas]

i do hope for a left-KMT resurgence

[brisk patrol]

some say it stretches until 1949

[brittle venture]

yes but they wont in this update/dlc

[dull minnow]

True, but it would be cool to see chiang pull a horthy and declare its own dynasty

[hollow coral]

More like an iraqi situation

[brittle venture]

but possibly in the future

[hollow coral]

Wanna know what happened last time someone tried that

[dull minnow]

Death?

[brisk patrol]

yeah, and it'd cause unnecessary situations where ireland joins allies because of an early war

[dull minnow]

Bruh

[hollow coral]

Id prefer if ireland was neutral but under the British influence

[brisk patrol]

I can see a sphere of influence mod like mechanic for HOI5 if they do ww1-ww2 (potentially going throughout cold war)

[sharp spade]

Did you all see that blue China?

[trim quartz]

Yuan Shikai abdicated and died

[waxen axle]

@brittle venture i understand that but this means other majors can be reworked now USA and UK and the minor countries

[hollow coral]

Im betting on a uk + commonwealth dlc in the future

[brittle venture]

yes in the future its possible

[trim quartz]

Uk, US, Mexico, and Netherlands being added. Japan and China SCRAPPED

[outer whale]

ok so

[cosmic stag]

@brittle venture hello casey

[outer whale]

man the guns dlc is being integrated to the game

anddd people who bought it will only get a

water

[hollow coral]

You get nothing

[outer whale]

yes

cool water

[hollow coral]

Just like what they did with the first 3

[cosmic stag]

do you think the DEVs should integrate ALL other dlcs and expansions casey? @brittle venture

[hollow coral]

A friend bought mtg for my birthday so im not losing anything

[outer whale]

I bought it during sales too

but yeah still

sucks

another moments of paradox greed

[brittle venture]

They wont but the gradual process is fine

[hollow coral]

Up to nsb is fine in my opinion

[brittle venture]

Means the game wont ever be like eu4 where you have to buy a billion dlcs for the full experience

[hollow coral]

Nsb is the defining point

[trim quartz]

They’ll intergrate all up to no step back

[cosmic stag]

alr

[thick edge]

Lucky

[outer whale]

well that puts players who bought that dlc into suckers position

[thick edge]

I had to buy everything on my steam acc

[hollow coral]

Its like $7 aud on sale

Thats an hour shift

[thick edge]

I bought it a year ago

[brittle venture]

Its not that big of a deal imo, youve had 8 ish years of the dlc

Sure it sucks if you bought it more recently, but youre not losing anything

[outer whale]

Sales to the players who already own that dlc

would be much better

[hollow coral]

Honestly i dont even play the game i just like looking at the portraits

[cosmic stag]

id still like them to integrate more DLCs

[thick edge]

Same

[hollow coral]

Yeah they should integrate all current dlcs all at once

[cosmic stag]

alr

[hollow coral]

So when are we seeing the hirohito platypus

[fading walrus]

China being blue though is something I have wanted for a while

[hushed lion]

Peak is finally here

[trim quartz]

Peak

I love blue China

[hollow coral]

Paradox can just take my bank details already

[wise oxide]

thank god korea is not a starting tag on default

syria and others should be removed too bc they have no content

[hollow coral]

They didnt even have any content planned for them

But i hope they get portraits

[brisk patrol]

but it was integrated into japan compared to those others

[south meadow]

i want my refund of mtg

[hollow coral]

The hoi4 machine must keep running

[brisk patrol]

😳

😳 😳

[pseudo wing]

I know you're joking but I'd not say that

considering I have to remove you if you do

[south meadow]

yeah bro i am travelling a the way to sweden to just do that (joke)

[brisk patrol]

[harsh hull]

Ayo, Man the Guns integration at last?

[pseudo wing]

Yeah I know you're joking, but after the threats this year I have to take it at face value yk?

[harsh hull]

Based as hell, US 2nd rework is back on the table boys

[south meadow]

also when are challenges coming back

soon?

[pseudo wing]

Should be coming back next month (I hope) just been a lot going on and I haven't had time to get back to em'

[brisk patrol]

USA actually gonna be fun ❤️

[devout valley]

They should make us get a discount if we had man the guns already... paying for the same content updated twice isn't fun 🤧

[harsh hull]

Well it won't happen for another year at least

[wise oxide]

always was

[harsh hull]

But now it's a possibility

[south meadow]

then now we don't buy dlcs and wait for integration

[brisk patrol]

I'd imagine it being after South east asia, or africa dlc

[devout valley]

A lot of people had already bought the dlc fella

[south meadow]

fr??

[harsh hull]

Hopefully we also get La Resistance integrated at some point

[brisk patrol]

USA, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, (not even going to bother saying my own country NZ cause it aint gonna get anything 💔)

[hollow coral]

They wouldnt just give everyone that bought it a refund

[harsh hull]

I would like them to have a second go at France and Spain

[devout valley]

We will 100%

[hollow coral]

A french, spanish, portuguese and dutch dlc would go crazy

Plus luxembourg

[devout valley]

No need to add luxembourg

[sharp spade]

South east Asia will probably be the country pack because the dominions work better as their own country pack

[hollow coral]

I dont see why not

After all luxembourg is the most powerful country in europe

[devout valley]

Because no point in giving a focus tree to such a small meaningless country...

[wise oxide]

red one? new warlord?

[harsh hull]

Korea removed as a starting tag

[brisk patrol]

Siam, French Indochina, Dutch East Indies? Perhaps Australia, but thats a big maybe

[harsh hull]

Man, way to go, complainers

You just love to hate having fun

[brisk patrol]

would you have wanted a released taiwan at start

[wise oxide]

was NSB the first dlc with proper trees?

[hollow coral]

Id just stick with SEA only and give the guys without trees first

[harsh hull]

If you're going to strawman, at least choose one that makes sense

[hollow coral]

A small tree like iceland or aussa would do fine

[devout valley]

Luxembourg focus tree: defend: just buffs for defense. Go with the allies: you join allies sooner and that's it
Go with the axis: you become a gwrman reichsprotektorat
Go communist: influence communism in neighbouring benelux countries and make benelux confederation

This is probably what they would do if Luxembourg tree

Doesn't this sound paradoxic?

[hollow coral]

Id still play it honestly

[brisk patrol]

no point in a malaysia special focus, I can see it getting the same base one as Australia and NZ

[devout valley]

Do you like focus tree of Luxembourg now 🤔

[hollow coral]

I played communist luxembourg to get the achievement

[hollow coral]

Well thats random

[devout valley]

Play modded overpowered Luxembourg next

[hollow coral]

Wouldnt it be logical for a southeast asia country pack to be siam, burma, malaya, DEI and indochina?

[devout valley]

Tbh them making graveyard of empires made no sense 🤧 🤷‍♂️ should had went for the Japanese dlc sooner

[hollow coral]

Why seperate malaya from the group

[devout valley]

And then make goe

[hollow coral]

Well because you have hindsight

[brisk patrol]

What? they had the same administrative rights?

[devout valley]

I mean it's logical a country pack that adds nothing else than focus trees that were already added by mods to 4 countries which 3 of them were not at war and had nothing to do with ww2 would flip don't you think

Flop*

[fading walrus]

Funny pfp

[devout valley]

Thanks bro it's my own chicken

[fading walrus]

2 of the 3 were at war albeit briefly

Iraq and Iran

[brisk patrol]

Iran, Iraq, India were not at war?

[devout valley]

I mean you are right but they should had focused on adding content for main ww2 countries first you know 🤷‍♂️

And then make fantastical content

[fading walrus]

But yeah they didn’t do much other than get rolled over

[fading walrus]

Agreed

[brisk patrol]

Japan reached India

[fading walrus]

Persia in EU4 makes sense

Given the Safavids

And how they were a thorn in the side of the Ottomans and Mughals

Who were major players at the time

[brisk patrol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Imphal

[hollow coral]

Irans tree is wasted potential

None of the paths are actually that fun

[fading walrus]

Read about this before most of the Japanese army starved to death

Before they arrived

[hollow coral]

Even the expansionist path is not that fun

It just feels really slow

[devout valley]

Fella we aren't talking about India we are talking about Afganistan, Iran and Iraq, India had sense to get reworked

[brisk patrol]

makes sense

[brisk patrol]

Nobhead you said only 1 of them went to war

[fading walrus]

Operation Ichi Go was the main Japanese offensive of that year

[devout valley]

Do you think the other countries than India were important in ww2? 🤷‍♂️

[fading walrus]

And it accidentally helped Communist China win

[brisk patrol]

seems they were important enough to invade

[fading walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zD4isU-cs&t=30s

[hollow coral]

Sidenote ichi go would probably be the version name

Filthy

[devout valley]

So important that instead of trying to fix the UK focus tree which is the same since launch (only some things tweaked out) and the french one and the german one and the Chinese one and the Japanese one they had to focus on what would happen if Iran got angry and summoned the ancient spirits of past leaders

German one no sorry for mistype

[brisk patrol]

that's a stupid take obviously they're going to have a bit of time between major dlcs

[hollow coral]

An iran tree wouldve come eventually but it was definitely not done well

[brisk patrol]

and who would want them to release the dlc, go make another one thats slightly better and then go "Oh wait, this is better than the previous focus tree, we gotta redo them now"

[devout valley]

They could had then went for romania and chezch and yugoslavica rework...

And do the same thing

[brisk patrol]

Obviously there was going to be a bit of time inbetween

[devout valley]

Yes I agree to giving useless countries a focus tree but why did they add one when there a re still a lot of countries lacking content

This was not a good play by paradox

[brisk patrol]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=820260968&searchtext=road+to+56

[hollow coral]

The asia rework was probably planned months before graveyard of empires

[devout valley]

It's sad that all of this could had been resolved if there was feedback acceptance

[drifting star]

It be crazy if they drop uk tree changes

[brisk patrol]

that's what they're doing now btw with dev corners ^^

[devout valley]

Guess what... there is afganistan Iran and Iraq content too there.. doesn't prove anything

[drifting star]

Also has the announcement countdown been posted

[hollow coral]

Yes in the next dlc they should fully rework japan china uk and usa

[brisk patrol]

yeah but you can scream into a pillow while playing RT56 and feel better

[brisk patrol]

send?

[devout valley]

Yes that's good I am not saying they are not improving 🤷‍♂️ they actually are improving of course I am just analysing their mistakes

[hollow coral]

Its the 25th

[drifting star]

No the live usually there is a live that gets posted

[devout valley]

I don't think they will touch UK, they only gave info about Japan china Phillipines

[brisk patrol]

yeah analyse that the'yre doing dev corners for a reason AL

[hollow coral]

[devout valley]

I hope they do UK and France after 🙏

[fresh cedar]

Blue China?

[sharp spade]

Only a certain amount of time to enjoy our classic Hirohito

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if this is the KMT or that one warlord

[sharp spade]

I hope they listened and changed it to blue

[sharp spade]

Because if they did that’s a nice blue

[fresh cedar]

It’s different than Sichuans blue

So ig it’s that blue now

Wonder who owns Beijing?

[pseudo wing]

Blue china ;)

[hollow coral]

Hebei Chahar political council

Probably

[fresh cedar]

Really interested in how they’ll interact with the KMT

[hollow coral]

But i feel like its an unnecessary edition

[fresh cedar]

Korea not existing was a good call

Would’ve been so bad having a contentless Korea

[hollow coral]

Shandong itself is pretty unnecessary

[fresh cedar]

I’ll just have to see how it works in game before judging

[sharp spade]

Do you think they’ll add a new economic law type since they want us to do a slower build up?

[sharp spade]

Burma 2.0

[brisk patrol]

maybe annexed early on

[hollow coral]

They add that all the time

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if they only exist for a short while before either getting eaten by Japan or the KMT

[hollow coral]

I hope they do

It would make sense

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-bean-tip-hat-bye-hi-gif-16188670

[hollow coral]

But can shandong please be renamed to Shandong province

[fresh cedar]

Can it be renamed to Shandong People’s Republic of North China

[hollow coral]

Even better

[brisk patrol]

am I the only one excited for the glorious soundtracks

[hollow coral]

Shandong would probably be annexed in game when mr han fuju relieves his shoulders of his head

[fresh cedar]

Only if one involves the Qing

[fading walrus]

Liked gotterdamerung soundtrack

[hollow coral]

I am very excited

[fading walrus]

So yeah

[brisk patrol]

I am not the only one ❤️

[fresh cedar]

Haven’t had any mention of Man 😔

[hollow coral]

Battle of wuhan and war of resistance are top 2 songs

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[brisk patrol]

It was obvious due to how long it had been, but I knew the next dlc was 100% japan when I saw this

[hollow coral]

Honestly can the radio have seperate sections of the dlcs

[fading walrus]

Shatter the empires is one of my favorites along with end of the war and katushya

[brisk patrol]

https://youtu.be/hFJmfy7ZS8Q?si=MQCdIFDk13aeghLw

[devout valley]

Not really because they didn't exist in 1936 anyway 🤧

[fresh cedar]

Is that the one with drops

[brisk patrol]

yup then goes all intense

glad to see someone as intense about the music as me

[devout valley]

Paradox soundtracks are better than the dlc

[fresh cedar]

Strongest part of GOE was Iraq and the soundtrack 😂

[hollow coral]

Hebei chahar was basically dead and shandong was a glorified province

[devout valley]

I still love the bosphorus music even though I don't play Bulgaria turkey and geece

[fresh cedar]

I’m guessing they’ll get ate

[devout valley]

It was annexed into Japan wasn't it

[fresh cedar]

Byzantine and Ottoman paths are fun. United Balkan fed would be too if its wasn’t so RNG heavy

[devout valley]

What's with this rng fest in paradox games 🤧

[fresh cedar]

What irks me is that the Hagia Sophia still doesn’t buff the Byzantine Empire😭

[hollow coral]

Beiping was void of kmt influence besides the troops stationed there because of the japanese

[brisk patrol]

https://youtu.be/W6NcyB8bGJ4?si=V7lPpK0PKhn2EwUz

[brisk patrol]

perhaps my number 1

[fresh cedar]

Why can’t monuments transfer ownership even after their state is cored?

[devout valley]

Wait I was talking about Korea, what were you talking about? I feel like I am misunderstanding you

[brisk patrol]

atleast there's one thing that's guaranteed out of a paradox dlc and that's the soundtrack

[hollow coral]

🤷‍♂️

[hollow coral]

Btw they said japan would have multiple landmarks

[devout valley]

Goe soundtrack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goe content

Only reason I am happy from goe is the absolutely music that slap

[fresh cedar]

Right but currently can any landmarks transfer ownership? Like if you’re Germany and core Europe, do other landmarks buff you?

[hollow coral]

I couldnt name one significant japanese landmark other than mt fuji

[sharp spade]

What landmarks would even be in China besides forbidden city and Great Wall?

[brisk patrol]

Atleast there's extra flavour going on in the background and that could intervene with me randomly

[fresh cedar]

How do you raid a mountain 😂

[hollow coral]

Its probably just the forbidden city

[brisk patrol]

I had Afghanistan give me their oil fields as Germany today

[devout valley]

Yeah until you get mad because chile from the other world guarantees something and now you gotta capitulate them (but that's a different dlc story)

[fresh cedar]

Seems like a missed opportunity that landmarks don’t transfer is all

[hollow coral]

Most notable landmarks are in beijing so the forbidden city is enough

[fresh cedar]

Would give players a reason to take them

[brisk patrol]

honestly that's just a guarantee mechanic failure

[obtuse cloud]

i just noticed the great wall of china (i think)

[fresh cedar]

Dang

[hollow coral]

Good eye

[obtuse cloud]

i'm not sure but it seems

[brisk patrol]

Wow!

[fresh cedar]

You’re right it is the Great Wall

Wonder if it gives any tile buffs

[devout valley]

Maybe they will fix it with the new faction rework

Because not everyone will be able to join a faction now

[hollow coral]

Level 10 forts on every tile

[devout valley]

You won't see serbia joining Chinese unite front anymore guys

[fresh cedar]

I’d say like lvl 3 just bc it isn’t made to withstand artillery

[obtuse cloud]

[devout valley]

[brisk patrol]

That'll stop invisible guarantees (when a country other side of world goes to war and then they join faction you're at war with)

[fresh cedar]

Like modern forts are basically buried systems of fortresses

[devout valley]

Dude I hate this!!!!!!

[hollow coral]

Why go through the wall when you can just go around it

[sharp spade]

And become a major power

[devout valley]

[hollow coral]

Would the wall be spread across multiple states or be one long statr

[obtuse cloud]

didn't the khans do this?

[devout valley]

Together with Paraguay fascist military junta

[brisk patrol]

yeah, hoi4 starts feeling less like a WW2 game and more like a everyone goes to war with just you game

[hollow coral]

Definitely

[devout valley]

That's ww2 for ya 😆

[brisk patrol]

Don't forget the Germans too!

[fresh cedar]

Is that a landmark on the left

[sharp spade]

I said it before but I’ll say it again I hope Japan gets a peace option with the allies after a certain amount of time and land taken in SE Asia

[devout valley]

They should add more regional wars and limited wars (for example you can go at war with let's say Syria but after taking it you get a peace with UK and get Syria you know, not having to cap uk)

[hollow coral]

Might as well be

It better give buffs to manchukuo prc and roc

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m worried about

Landmarks already don’t transfer

[hollow coral]

😮‍💨 🤞

[brisk patrol]

that'd be extremely based, some countries could get AI modifiers that refuse peace (UK with churchill)

[devout valley]

Yes that would be excellent but why the heck ISN'T THERE SUCH A MOD YEEEEEEETT!!

[brisk patrol]

But then again, you could go to war, annex, peace, repeat for easy conquest, perhaps they become less hesitant if you keep war mongering?

[devout valley]

It should also depend on many variables (such as your power compared to them, your goals, what you want to earn)

And you get a truck after

Truce

And that truce lasts for 1 year

So you can't exploit it

[obtuse cloud]

which clique owned beijing in 1936 (if it wasn't the central government)

?

[hollow coral]

Hebei chahar political council

It was a more autonomous part of the central government

But i wouldnt consider it a clique

Knowing paradox they would probably name it something like beijing clique

[brisk patrol]

your war support gets cut very low after peace so war would cause you stability loss?

[devout valley]

Depends on how much you lose

[bronze inlet]

I hope those of us who bought Man the Guns are compensated for it becoming free

[fresh cedar]

lol

Did they compensate for any other integrated dlc?

[hollow coral]

Yeah you’re hoping for too much

[devout valley]

We should get a discount

We should get a discount!!!!

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[obtuse cloud]

I did not have WTT when they made it free, what did they do then?

[raw urchin]

GIVE ME DEUTSCH OST ASIEN AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[devout valley]

Nothing I think

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-nothing-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-gif-4982767

[wise oxide]

so cool also new sharper/fixed borders

[tepid totem]

screw you paradox, give my 20€ back

[tepid totem]

i paid for your dumb navy dlc and now its free

genuinely, whats wrong with hoi4 devs?

giving out expensive dlcs, but they suck so hard that they integrate them to the game and release another improved version

for an even higher price

[hollow coral]

This is probably the same thing someone said the first time they got integrated

[fresh cedar]

Bro MTG is like 6-7 years old

[tepid totem]

so what

i bought it a year ago or so

i still want my money back

[raw urchin]

they could give a discount for dlc owners

[fresh cedar]

Shouldn’t have been so late 😂

🤙🤙🤙

[raw urchin]

thats my thought

[tepid totem]

?

[tepid totem]

they wont because 20€ are too precious for their "updates"

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-sigma-sorry-you-are-not-a-sigma-sorry-you're-not-a-sigma-you-aren't-a-sigma-you-are-not-sigma-gif-337838532227751572

[hollow coral]

They finally squeezed out the last of mtg

Its over for that dlc

Its pretty necessary for them to integrate the old dlcs

[stable tusk]

Maybe the Forbidden City?

[fresh cedar]

Probably yeah

[tepid totem]

yeah just integtate all dlcs and dont give a refund

[hollow coral]

That way they can get more money when they sell the new and improved dlcs

[fresh cedar]

If it means better content over the span of a decade, sure

[devout valley]

Yes but they should give a discount for those who had them for the next dlc about that integrated dlc

[hollow coral]

Not against that

[tepid totem]

lets make people pay for a trash dlc, while there are better made mods, and then integrate it

[devout valley]

This is predatory monetising, you have to pay for something and then pay AGAIN FOR AN UPDATE OF THAT DLC

[hollow coral]

But asking for a full refund is something else

[tepid totem]

or release a trash dlc and then improving it in the span of a month. lets integrate it later

[devout valley]

At least a discount bruhs

[fresh cedar]

No mod has ever had comparable feature changes to what the base game adds

I’m not saying focus trees but actual features and additions

[tepid totem]

ragebait?

[tepid totem]

debatable

[hollow coral]

Its called late stage capitalism

[fresh cedar]

Ah yes, millenniums Dawn’s shitty economy addition is way better

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/good-business-its-just-gif-18044767

[obtuse cloud]

do you think they’ll do the same like with LaR? Even tho i don’t think the spy agency thing will be updated, france would be the only major without a tree at the same level of italy, germany, ussr and japan (and even USA and UK if they are going to include MTG)

[tepid totem]

better than no economy system at all🤷

[devout valley]

Why does capitalism love to make it look worse and be effectively a propaganda for other type of market groups 😭 😭

[tepid totem]

economy in this game is just civs and mils

wow

[fresh cedar]

It really doesn’t need anything beyond resource trade lol

[tepid totem]

such an interesting feature

[tepid totem]

monetise it then

[devout valley]

Like it's because of companies greed that it gets hated

[hollow coral]

Honestly they probably will integrate it when france is in need of a rework

[obtuse cloud]

i get a headache seeing that thing

[devout valley]

They will 100% integrate it at one point, I predict very late 2026 or 2027

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/british-grenadiers-gif-24486326

https://tenor.com/view/british-grenadiers-gif-24486326

People on their way to complain about another 7 year old DLC getting integrated

[tepid totem]

are you a paradox dev perchance?

[fresh cedar]

Bro says perchance 💀

[tepid totem]

are you here to ragebait

or what

[raw urchin]

[obtuse cloud]

Paradox Plot:
-20% stability
-5% recruitable population
+10 consumer goods

[thick edge]

I hate md with a burning passion

[fresh cedar]

Legit the most aids economy I’ve ever seen in a game

[tepid totem]

i spent 20€ for mans the guns 1 year ago for my birthday, now i wont get a refund and the dlc is getting integrated so everybody has it free

and im pretty sure it already happened

with waking the tiger

its not listed anywhere

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/get-ya-money-up-gif-26485223

[tepid totem]

seems like paradox is poorer than me since they are so desperate to keep our money for a dlc that its becoming free😂

[thick edge]

Just buy it sooner

[fresh cedar]

It’s just funny because every time a dlc is integrated the same arguments return

[devout valley]

Because they make us pay for an update after we already paid for that update

Instead of updating man the guns they make it for free and make a new dlc that replaces it

[thick edge]

I bought it roughly a year ago and I’m not that mad

[fresh cedar]

Bc the new dlc effectively works off of the old

[devout valley]

There are people who live in poor countries lad...

[fresh cedar]

Like its using the same systems

[tepid totem]

because its stupid, people pay for something and they make it free
whats even the purpose of that?

[fresh cedar]

And so if they didn’t integrate, you’d have to buy both

[tepid totem]

are they making us pay for thin air?

is it an investment?

[fresh cedar]

This is effectively what all digital purchases are

[devout valley]

We still had to pay for both, at least give us a discount for buying mtg

[tepid totem]

is paradox really such a failure of a company that they cant refund the nothingness?

are they doing charity, masking it as a feature, to then integrate it?

[devout valley]

There are tons of games that do not make such a anti consumer policy... and they make regularly free updates without tons of dlcs... and yet, they are successful

[hollow coral]

If they had to refund every purchase then are they even making money?

[fresh cedar]

Ah yes let’s not integrate so new players have to buy 2 dlc instead of 1

[devout valley]

Give us a discount not refund

[tepid totem]

did you read what i said

they integrated the dlcs that someone paid for

and its now free

[robust grail]

Believe me, some one will call them communist if they refund.

[fresh cedar]

That many people* paid for. Not just you on your birthday a year ago

[devout valley]

It still costs money for the next one lol 🤧

[tepid totem]

🤯

[thick edge]

Why would they spend their hard earned money on a game company that will suck your money out

[tepid totem]

was this necessary?

[thick edge]

Ngl there are much better choices than hoi4 money wise

[tepid totem]

or you just said it for the sake of the argument

[tepid totem]

to enjoy your hard earned money

the way you like

definitely not by buying something, and then it becomes free

because it sucks so hard that they need to rework it

[devout valley]

Because they have a hobby about hoi4... otherwise nobody would buy anything from hoi4. They either support the devs or sail the seas, and I think you know which one the devs prefer

[outer whale]

my estimations for next 3 dlc

"BRITANNIA REWORK"
"UK CANADA AUSTRALIA NEW ZEALAND IRELAND"
"DUTCH REWORK"
"EAST INDIES, NETHERLANDS LUXEMBOURG SOUTH AFRICA"
AMERICA REWORK
"USA MEXICO (rest of the south american countries that doesnt have focus tree)

[fresh cedar]

Hard earned $20?

[tepid totem]

actually paradox is on a quest to rework all the slop they did in the past

gotterdamerung costs 25€, waking the tiger was trash but was 10€

[tepid totem]

mind your own business please

[devout valley]

Why buy a toy? Why buy a dog? Why buy anything? Same logic

[fresh cedar]

Waking the tiger was amazing when it released

[outer whale]

@fresh cedar what do u think

[devout valley]

If hoi4 makes them happy why the heck would they not spend money...

[tepid totem]

outdated though

[fresh cedar]

Hoping that’s in Expansion 3, a focus on the allies

[hollow coral]

A singular dutch rework would be unnecessary

[livid mist]

You know how you spend money on stuff that Breaks eventually?
Why even bother spending it on, If the money eventually gets useless/ disappears

[devout valley]

Exactly bro exactly

[tepid totem]

because none really knows if that dlc will become free in a decade

[outer whale]

it will be like

how to say

[devout valley]

He was sarcastic

[outer whale]

"teaser"

[pine creek]

Xhxhxbswowokenbebbkwkwajjqjwheyuducybwbrgrodfijsjaxncnfieywoqpazjnvlbmmtkroduheystwfcwvsb

[fresh cedar]

Bro has never heard of product life

[tepid totem]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-wise-gif-4804904432708355937

[livid mist]

So what? You paid Money to Play it 10 years earlier than anyone Else
Some people spend premium to get early access and Play the Game only a week or 2 before anyone Else
There's No reason for them Not to make em free (except for jealousy)

[tepid totem]

its not to play it early, its already released to the world

[fresh cedar]

No no, he wants new players to buy 2 dlc instead of 1 because he had to buy 2. Let him have his boomer mindset of let me make everyone suffer because I did

[tepid totem]

if it was an early access they would have to say it

[fresh cedar]

Miserable mindset

[hollow coral]

My predictions would be
Southeast Asia countrypack: Siam burma malaya dei and indochina

Uk and commonwealth

balkan rework

La resistance rework with netherlands and Luxembourg thrown in

Usa rework with Mexico and Caribbean

Not in any particular order

[tepid totem]

you seem the miserable here

[obtuse cloud]

honestly I still think that they should do a Second Expantion Pass about pacific nations
Wave 1- Japan, China, Manchukuo, Philippines and Warlords
Wave 2- British Malaya, Dutch East Indies, Australia Rework
putting thailand in one of the waves

then a MTG nations rework (USA, UK and idk maybe South Africa and Kingdom of Egypt)

[fresh cedar]

Am I the one screaming about a dlc getting integrated? 😂

[tepid totem]

i never said you have to pay for both dlcs

[livid mist]

Absolutely...

[fresh cedar]

Literally a Karen

[tepid totem]

i do not want to pay for both dlcs in fact

you have the same understanding of a sentence as the one of an hamster

lmao

[devout valley]

They just want to make excuses to instead of making free updates to make even more dlcs, with the excuse that "well we just gave a free dlc!!! Be grateful!!!" They can fix everything, they can make free updates and be successful as countless of other games. If you buy all dlcs that's like 200 dollars, A LOT FOR A SINGLE VIDEO GAME!!!

[hollow coral]

A north Africa country pack with Saudi arabia would be neat so morocco tunisia egypt and saudi arabia

[outer whale]

dutch historical tree is a joke

they don't even represent the hendrikus colijn' government well

but well reason is simple

its old

[robust grail]

I bought MTG,NSB BBA and I think these dlc must be integrated in games.

[fresh cedar]

So, dlc only get integrated when their core elements are built upon by another dlc. In order for them to release the new dlc, they can either integrate and prevent future players from buying it. Or keeping the old one on sale and requiring people to buy that one to play the new one.

[devout valley]

Everyone WANTS DLCs INTEGRATED but people are mad because of what they try to justify by making us pay even more for an unfinished game that costs over 200 dollars

[hollow coral]

I dont think at that time that the political trees were the main gameplay mechanic

[livid mist]

You Gotta put it into Perspektive
Hoi4 is a video Game you'll Most likely spend hundreds of hours into, If you spend all that Money. Some games cost upwards to 90€ and only give you 30-40 hours of Playtime
Dont even get me started on subscription Games (which this Game ALSO HAS!, you pay 7 bucks to Play everything for one month)

[fresh cedar]

I do, and happily would pay for doc that get integrated

I’ve played the game since it came out and dlc getting integrated has led to some of the best changes

[devout valley]

I said tha tnobosy doesn't want to, so basically that everyone likes free dlcs.... reread

[tepid totem]

again, give a refund of the slop they did earlier because paradox somehow cannot make a game properly without messing it up on the first time and realising after a decade. also the fix is to overlay with another dlc and make the one other thousand of people that paid for free

[devout valley]

Double negative makes a positive

I should edit it out to make it make more sense

[fresh cedar]

That’s not how products and product-life functions.💀

[hollow coral]

Well now it can be considered outdated but when it was released it was up to standard

[tepid totem]

"our game sucks. people pay for features and they suck too. any ideas?"
"make them pay for another dlc"

[tepid totem]

elaborate then

genius

[fresh cedar]

“I ate my burger and now have to buy another, while some one else gets buy 1 get 1 free. How do I get refund on my one burger”

[tepid totem]

what?

[thick edge]

I have seem to come to a conclusion
I don’t think people like the dlc

[obtuse cloud]

NSB and BBA have trees that are at the current paradox status (they are big and powerfull, Baltics aside) I think HOI IV support will end instead of remaking Soviet and Italian trees

[fresh cedar]

See you can’t even contemplate a caveman explanation 😭

[tepid totem]

this makes no sense and is completely disregarded to this topic

lol

[hollow coral]

💔

[robust grail]

Some DLC must be integrated, the base game it self is quite old and to allowed some new mechanic development, just base game isn't enough.

[hollow coral]

I think it makes perfect sense personally

[fresh cedar]

Yes, and MTG had many mechanics being built off of

[tepid totem]

has got nothing to do at all

[thick edge]

I have the perfect gif for this

Brb

[tepid totem]

i paid for the burger and someone gets it for free

[fresh cedar]

It’s like talking to a brick wall

[hollow coral]

Its the same scenario

[tepid totem]

because it cant sell enough

[hollow coral]

Just using different things

[tepid totem]

not at all

i paid for the burger (mts) and someone gets it for free

a decade later

[obtuse cloud]

I don’t think that it is 100% fair but the devs are doing so to make future DLC easier to develop (Like they are reworking naval combat in [REDACTED], it makes sense to include MTG in the base game).
I think players that bought MTG should get something but a refund? Seems to much

[tepid totem]

that feels so right oh my god

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-orangutan-monkey-monke-hammer-gif-23830655

[thick edge]

I can’t find it 😔

[fresh cedar]

Found it

[tepid totem]

actually this guy is a paradox dev ragebaiting anybody who complains about throwing 20€ in the air

because paradox absolutely SUCKS at making games

[thick edge]

Then why play them

[fresh cedar]

Or I’m actually just a consumer who knows what he buys before buying it

[tepid totem]

id say it competes very well with EA

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-idk-gif-5100772

[tepid totem]

i enjoy the game?

[tepid totem]

so you knew in advance that MTS would become free?

or you didnt like everybody else

[hollow coral]

“I bought this thing last year but today everyone gets it for free i should get a 100% refund since its currently free”

[fresh cedar]

Yes, paradox has had dlc integrations as part of their business model for like a decade 😭

[hollow coral]

Thats not how it works brochacho

[thick edge]

U paid to get it earlier

[tepid totem]

thats not early access

[tepid totem]

not today, forever

[thick edge]

What

U got it

Earlier

[obtuse cloud]

a badge into the career profile should be enough ngl, refunding like thousands of players sounds like a bad business

[fresh cedar]

A meal from McDonald’s in the US costs $20. I’m not about to complain about a product I’ve had for 7 years becoming free after I got like 5k hours out of it

[tepid totem]

so? it still wasn't an early access content

[hollow coral]

They dont even earn any money by refunding that so whats the point

[tepid totem]

what a failure of a company

[fresh cedar]

Because his feelings are hurt and he wants revenge I guess.

[thick edge]

I feel like we all lost the plot a while ago

[livid mist]

There's only one reason to object DLC integrations (which Paradox has always been doing, for all of their Games):
Jealousy

[fresh cedar]

How does this circular argument help you? Genuinely what outcome do you want

[tepid totem]

complain about horrendous choices made by the devs

[thick edge]

They legit won’t do anything anyways 😭

[fresh cedar]

To what end?

[tepid totem]

to complain?

does that bother you?

[hollow coral]

Ig we are all paradox shills besides the contrarian mr duck

[fresh cedar]

100%, we should stop deepthroating paradox boots and join his rebellion

[obtuse cloud]

maybe you could ask into the forum or maybe you should write an e-mail, even if we were all in favour for a refund i doubt paradox would do that

[tepid totem]

they wouldnt even reply

[hollow coral]

So whats the point of even complaining

[obtuse cloud]

.

[tepid totem]

to complain

about an horrendous choice by my view

[fresh cedar]

Making noise without any tangible goal

[livid mist]

"If I cant have free stuff, No one can"
Crybaby

[fresh cedar]

As I said, boomer mentality

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cattering-ram-gif-16797977371008998079

[tepid totem]

when did i say so?

no because i forgot

[livid mist]

...

I simply wont engage on that

[tepid totem]

😂

brainlet

[fresh cedar]

He’s just ragebaiting at this point

[tepid totem]

no?

[floral tangle]

I mean, I do understand people what people think when they say, "gimme my money back" but they forget that this is a literally money form a over half a decade old dlc they are crying after.

Let's take a car for example, if it's new everyone wants it and who can afford it, buys it. Than a lot of time and drives later, the car eventually is old snd beat up, hence the price people are willing to pay is very low and now making the old car free is justified because you already used it a lot and should not be sad about not getting you money back when it served you well over many years.

Also crying ever time paradox makes a dlc free for everyone to access, just motivated them to not do this anymore, which is a loss for everyone.

[tepid totem]

none is giving an old car for free

a low price? sure

[thick edge]

??

[hollow coral]

Can i say something

Your not actually losing the dlc

[thick edge]

I saw free cars once or twice

[devout valley]

Yes you can cat

[hollow coral]

Like nothing is lost

[thick edge]

Really old bad cars

[hollow coral]

You bought the dlc

[thick edge]

But free

[tepid totem]

which cant be driven

[floral tangle]

Sure there are

[hollow coral]

That money pays for the time you had the dlc

[fresh cedar]

He views it as a loss as he believes they’re reselling the same product and he has to buy it twice

[thick edge]

U can’t drive a DLC either 🗣️ 🗣️

Easy win

[tepid totem]

i will have to buy a more expensive dlc to cover the hole they did with the old one

[hollow coral]

What hole

[tepid totem]

one day dlcs will cost 50€

[hollow coral]

You still have it

[tepid totem]

like everybody else

[hollow coral]

What did you actually lose

[tepid totem]

20€

[floral tangle]

And even if, this car ( dlc ) is not just a one thing, but a virtual experience, which can be copied and infinit amount of times for everyone, to have it, without any further costs besides maybe the space on your computer

[livid mist]

So making prior DLCs free
Will increase the cost of later DLCs?
You know how prices Work?
A product is only as expensive as the common folk is willing to pay

[hollow coral]

Gosh darnit if only i foresaw the future and i know that in one year this dlc will become free

[livid mist]

Honestly
9/10 ragebait, got the whole Discord in here

[tepid totem]

waking the tiger was like 10/15€

gotterdamerung 25€

[hollow coral]

Thats like a 8 year gap

[tepid totem]

for everybody who bought waking the tiger and gotterdamerung, they paid like 40€

about the game's price

[fresh cedar]

Which country do you think this impacts? I’d guess Manchuko

[craggy moth]

hors

[hollow coral]

Might be a mengjiang teaser

[fresh cedar]

Were they known for Calvary?

[sand bane]

mongols mby

[obtuse cloud]

we have to say that Gotterdammerung has better focus trees compared to WTT, also the special projects, the raids, the special gimmicks like the Circle of Evil makes it worth. Also you could have spared some money with the expantion pass

[robust grail]

You feel offensive when they give free stuff because it is necessary for improvement?

[devout valley]

Manchuria

[hollow coral]

I mean they were mongols

[obtuse cloud]

Tannu Tuva

[robust grail]

Manchu is mongols?

[thick edge]

Prob something in Asia

Dunno

[fresh cedar]

I just can’t see them updating Mongolia

[craggy moth]

genius

[tepid totem]

so, they released a dlc to then improve it at an additional cost

[fresh cedar]

But you never know

[hollow coral]

Mengjiang

[polar bronze]

that has to be a mongolian focus

[livid mist]

Gotta be mongolia

[robust grail]

Oh,I forget they exist

[fresh cedar]

Fair point

I assumed they’d just get a warlord tree tbh

[hollow coral]

It might be mongolia but most likely something with manchukuo or mengjiang

[polar bronze]

between the two id say mengjiang

who do yall think the portrait is?

[thick edge]

Eye got no clue

[hollow coral]

Could be any asian guy

[devout valley]

I don't think they will add content to japanese mongolia though

[fresh cedar]

I’m just like if it’s a pacific dlc, doubt Mongolia would be in it

[devout valley]

Seeing that it isn't even have warlord focus

[devout valley]

Yes exactly

Probably manchuria or another Chinese country somehow

[obtuse cloud]

it's a country leader for sure

[livid mist]

Y'all Sure Mengkukuo will get a unique focus tree?
If anything, I'd think they'd get the Same as Manchukuo

[hollow coral]

Gruff eyebrows with a slit

[devout valley]

I don't think they will get one ngl

Would be like a Paraguay focus tree maximum

[livid mist]

Yeah

[red mesa]

why red

[thick edge]

Damaged

[devout valley]

Factories are destroyed

[thick edge]

Repair factory

[hollow coral]

Probably just for the fact that this is the only realistic chance they get a tree

[red mesa]

ah

[hollow coral]

Probably smaller then paraguays tree

[devout valley]

But it doesn't really make sense for them to get one

Unless it is like 1 single path

[hollow coral]

Why not

[devout valley]

With 5 focuses for industry 5 focuses for war and 7 focuses for political

[hollow coral]

I dont see a reason it doesnt make sense

[thick edge]

Btw paradox if u want someone to test out the dlc i volunteer as tribute 🙏

[devout valley]

Siam better priority than damn mongolia ngl

And they didn't say anything about siam

And if SIAM hasn't been confirmed anything,.. does mongolia makr sense?

[hollow coral]

Not siam again😔

[obtuse cloud]

with the faction rework i think a Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere Joint tree could be something

[devout valley]

Do you guys understand what I mean

[livid mist]

Then they'd have to add one for every single Warlord, which, to remind you, there will be more of

[devout valley]

All.warlords will habe the same focus tree probably

[hollow coral]

Mengjiang i would argue is a bit different

[devout valley]

I asked them in forums and they said not much more content will be added

[livid mist]

Exactly, with the exception of Manchukuo

[hollow coral]

Warlords are basically just meant to be easily conquered and to weaken china

Giving each of them a tree is unnecessary

Mengjiang though could be more interesting

Its in the same boat as manchukuo

[devout valley]

Not really

Because it's like saying Because Belgium has a focus tree that means Luxembourg should get one too

Whoch yes all countries should get a focus tree BUT

[devout valley]

Some countries are more important to prioritise

[livid mist]

Lets sum it Up
Warlord unique shared Tree
Commie China unique Tree, shared with China
China unique tree
Manchukuo
And japan

[devout valley]

And Phillipines!!!

[hollow coral]

Im just saying theres no point not giving them a small tree

[livid mist]

Oh right!

[devout valley]

Yeah you are right

But siam > mengjiang

And siam hasn't been confirmed anything...

So slim chances of mengjiang getting but siam not

[hollow coral]

Realistically its one political path one industrial tree and some army buffs

[devout valley]

Yeah what I've said, if they do that it's simple and easy to make

Either that or nothing

[hollow coral]

Id bet they get some skeleton content (portraits and decisions)

[livid mist]

Think about it, even If they did a unique Tree, how many people would Play Mengjiang over China or Japan...

[polar bronze]

me

i would

[livid mist]

Or even Sinkiang (Turkestan formable) and Manchukuo

[devout valley]

It's the same boat as Congo, Ethiopia, more of an ai or rp country

[livid mist]

You dont count

[hollow coral]

who wouldnt want to play with demchugdongrub

[frozen kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/philippines-pilipino-filipino-anime-gif-15734775969601392063

[near rune]

wow, I'm proud of paradox, they actually decided to remove a slop ai lag machine, contentless nation(korea)

oh and blue china is also cool but I sort of prefer yellow

[thick edge]

🐟

[near rune]

here's to many more (kuwait, burma, palestine, jordan, syria, lebanon, mengkukuo (temporarily, until say 1938))

the great wall of china is an interesting wonder or monument (or whatever they're called) to add but shame it goes to manchukuo lol

[fading walrus]

Because the most famous part of the great wall is in what was once Manchuko

My parents have been there in 1997

[quasi harbor]

Ship designers will now be base hoi4

[near rune]

yeah I know but it's still a shame that manchukuo gets the benefits of it when irl I doubt they would've made a big fanfare of it

[livid mist]

So what becomes of Iraqi expansionism?

[near rune]

as it should be

[fading walrus]

Also China will probably get the forbidden city or something

[quasi harbor]

True

[near rune]

they just get the land, but from the uk this time? I'm pretty sure they had to ask the uk anyways, removing the slop nations would change little

[livid mist]

The one in beijing or tibet?

[fading walrus]

Beijing

[livid mist]

Yeah, they Had to ask UK but they for some reason were independent nations on the map

[quasi harbor]

So happy about Blue China too

[near rune]

I prefer yellow as its unique but blue is cool too I guess

[near rune]

they're colonies but yeah

they exist for aesthetics, they shouldn't've gotten focus trees kind of like san marino in great war redux

[fading walrus]

Same

[fresh cedar]

Same. Maybe I’m just used to the yellow tbh

[quasi harbor]

Yellow China always looked a bit weird just cuz it didn't match very well with the flag

Neither did Turquoise Sinkiang

[native blaze]

Bro I feel sooo mad after buying man the guns a few months ago

THis shit is insane

[small aurora]

Why what is bad about it?

[native blaze]

They're adding it into the base game

[small aurora]

Oh

Yeah that is understandable why you are mad then

[quasi harbor]

If it makes you feel slightly better you can think of it as "you bought the dlc" so the devs can feed their families and finish this one

[native blaze]

I don't care if the devs are starving to death,
They better get me my money back (or give me free gotterdammerung)

[dark sail]

i fell like this update will be bad and next will be good one like before with No Step Back

[quasi harbor]

I think they alternate between good and bad updates

So this one has to be good

[harsh hull]

I mean, considering how bad the backlash was from the Chinese community when the India content was revealed

I can't imagine it'd go well if Paradox screwed up the China update

[cold gale]

I said it before, man the guns is getting integrated lol

[primal tulip]

What would that mean for the people who had it before tho

[cold gale]

Just gets integrated into game despite paying $19.99 for it prior…

i got the starter pack in 2020 so it wasn’t much of a problem for me 🤷‍♂️

[viral dock]

Didnt they add a Blue china?

Because i dont get were people found the fotos of It im game

[thick edge]

Yes

[stable tusk]

Just gets integrated, nothing special for people who already had it (btw it's like a decade old atp so...)

[obtuse cloud]

hi guys what are talkin' about

[primal tulip]

There should be some repayment for people who had it before like atleast a badge or something

[fading walrus]

6 years*

but yeah its old

[hollow lion]

Compensation sounds silly because in a way most of the price of most games is paying to play it early, since you usually get increasingly large sales over time

The basegame has been 1€

[deft fable]

It would be cool to get some new content or a discount as a thank you for supporting the game over the years. Maybe a focus tree for a minor/generic tree with some spicy models/ additional generals etc. for existing countries. Perhaps giving some existing focus trees a bit more love on top would be amazing.

[winged jetty]

Honestly I wish that Korea got some good content. Why is Paradox not giving Korea content?

[polar bronze]

They werent free till post war

[hollow lion]

Because Korea had no degree of independence in 1936 people commented they shouldnt

[quasi harbor]

Even Japanese Hebei had more independence

But im happy to see they finally got more states

2 states for all of korea was sad

[tranquil urchin]

ig it'd be easy for them to make some sort of special generic tree for korea

[quasi harbor]

Korea had basically no control over its own things tho

It would be like making Hawai an independent country

[tranquil urchin]

I mean more like for post ww2

the civil war

[quasi harbor]

Ah, unfortunately that would be up to the Ai

And everyone knows AI never does good post war borders

Probably get annexed by China

[tranquil urchin]

real

[tranquil urchin]

even Thailand gets sometimes annexed by the nationalist on my playthroughs

[quasi harbor]

Yup ahah, i think when non aligned countries annex lands to which they have 0 claims is a bit dumb

They could at least code them for puppets

[tranquil urchin]

it make for sense for them to get war reparations and ships yk

and demilitarised zones

which for some reason the ai still can't do

[quasi harbor]

Probably cuz its dlc dependent

And BBA came out half baked

That's why i like that they integrated dlcs into base game

Cuz it forces them to fix problems with the dlcs

[tranquil urchin]

feels like we are entering some kind of cycle lol

old dlc gets replaced by new dlc

and new dlc eventually gets old

[harsh widget]

Just out of curiosity, this gives me some hints of seeing revisitation of Yugoslavia, Romania, Cze., Australia, N.Z., Brits and French, very soon. What do you think is it possible to be the path they are taking?

[drifting star]

So help me god if they release a pack for other majors im gunna be very happy

France UK and USA could use a revamp especially with all the new gameplay features

[fresh cedar]

Probably wouldn’t be till expansion pass 3

[drifting star]

Nah expansion 2

I’m guessing that USA will get a rework

[fresh cedar]

Bro expansion pass 2 is Japan and Southeast Asia/pacific lol

You aren’t seeing shit for the allies

[drifting star]

Maybe a country pack

[fresh cedar]

Yeah Japan and China is the main, Southeast Asia is the country pack

[drifting star]

Isn’t the Dutch tree apart of man of guns ?

So Dutch East Indies

[fresh cedar]

You’d probably see an Indonesian one maybe but doubt Netherlands

Netherlands, France, UK, USA and commonwealth prob expansion pass 3

[harsh widget]

I think that this is where we are going, inner circle could easily be senate in USA, it could also be added to Italians as a mechanic to actually make lack of stability in Italian government this the Partisans and Spies did do, it could be added to the brits, along side other mechanics there is also a fact that Germany know has very historichally accurate AI which lacks for US and Brits, French are well French surrender and all can't be inaccurate.

There is a lot they could add that other focuses have but old ones lack

[drifting star]

The US senate never passing anything

Very accurate

We should have a decision “ insult opponent”

[harsh widget]

i Meant more like few condidates that you could replace your president with just like inner Cirle, and even go around and turn game around if you do so with specific guys it would also make good achievements and such i don't know but yea Fr Br and USA do lack a lot in coparison to new focuses.

Even Argentina has better Focus than US or Brits xd

[drifting star]

Oh so like presidential succession which btw wasn’t passed to JFK

*until

[fresh cedar]

Could be like the inner circle but would have to be slightly different

Would the inner circle determine where the tree goes politically or just be a tool to support the primary democratic playthroughs?

[harsh widget]

well name of the mechanic is Inner Circle new standard is set once again by the Germans

[drifting star]

U know what the US should have “partisan fringes “

That would be good for larp and more accurate

[harsh widget]

i was thinking of actually being able to be spied upon and influenced outside your country with revamp of spies and such

[drifting star]

More focus on winning over Congress via elections

Inner circle could just be party poly

[harsh widget]

but yea you could also influence it and turn in 43 fascist and go on for some achivement or somehting it could be deep mechanics

[primal tulip]

Luxembourg focus tree when?

[sharp spade]

Final dlc