latest-updates

[hollow coral]

I dont think they liked the monarchy anyways

How would that even be reformed though

[vast shore]

Manchuria

[hollow coral]

It just seems unnecessary

[obtuse cloud]

well for nationalist china yes, but the Beiyang government was ruled by warlords. In the “new” warlords trees they could do something like this

[hollow coral]

The beiyang government was ruled by the beiyang army which essentially dissolved in 1916 after yuan shikais death

[obtuse cloud]

then china was ruled by other warlords that wanted absolute power like the Anhui or Zhili cliques

[hollow coral]

No one wants to be associated with yuan shikai ngl

[obtuse cloud]

the warlord era came after shikai’s rule

[hollow coral]

Recreating the beiyang government is just a fever dream

And to restore the deeply unpopular monarchy

Through a republican government

[brittle venture]

Well no

It never disbanded

It just fractured into the warlords

Every warlord had some of the beiyang army and/or foreign volunteer forces

They were the only ones able to operate tanks, artillery, machine guns

The beiyang army never ceased to be a thing, it ceased to be a centralized organization

[hollow coral]

Essentially

Still a fever dream of an idea

Most warlords goals wasnt to rule over all of china but to consolidate power in their own region

[civic vine]

If this isn’t the DLC to give Siam a focus tree idk when will be man that sucks

[coral drift]

It's like
"The Republican revolution made us a mess, let's harken back to our past"

[vast shore]

I mean

there are so many warlords

somewhere you'd find a faction

that would support it

Just ffs

make it hard to obtain

dont handhold the player

[coral drift]

Us Indonesians has a phase like that in the 1930s. Plenty of monarchists too

[young plover]

I'd prefer HoI4 to go the direction of Vic3 where the new content is not just a nice wrapping around modifiers that make the new countries completly broken/solve their resource (in a more general sense than just actual resources) shortages

"oh... Germany can lack manpower... here you go, more manpower than you can ever spend"

[wise oxide]

a modder could add this in a few minutes

whats next?

is coal coming in the update? the most exiting part of the dlc

what are all the new mechanics coming?

[vast shore]

literally

[vast shore]

1. Coal,
2. Vicky 3 Powerbloc'esque faction rework

3. navy rework

[wise oxide]

i wish paradox hired modders to make the game better

[vast shore]

dunno

depends on the modders

[wise oxide]

also is the island province building slot limit coming?

colored sea controll is pretty epic

[brittle venture]

They already do this

[brittle venture]

Also no

Modding requires less localization, less testing, they have more leeway for updates at any time they want to

Even if those 3 focuses are a tiny amount of content, this was just a QoL change

And not an updatr of its own

[wise oxide]

GoE was so unfinished on release

[brittle venture]

Yeah that has to do with a rushed / set date release but not because of the devs

[sharp spade]

wasnt GoE done by some smaller team?

[coral drift]

Again, if it was released on March 27th, the backlash would be not as big as IRL

[coral drift]

Yes

[brittle venture]

im not mad im just explaining

[sharp spade]

what would the new country pack even be for besides dominions or minor asian nations?

[coral drift]

The rest of Southeast Asia i hope

[sharp spade]

Alright guys new country pack will be central america and northern south america

[fresh cedar]

A lot of people are saying the new portraits are AI.

If that’s the case they look pretty good. Maybe are a little bit on the smooth side but a step up for most

It’s weird though, the Japanese ones seem less smooth than the chinese?

[thick edge]

I noticed that

[pseudo wing]

They are not AI, just to let you know

I have already confirmed this on a few occasions, its just the art style

[fresh cedar]

I figured I’ve seen videos of people working on them. Idk why so many think they are

AI accusations is the new red scare 😂

[pseudo wing]

people see smooth and immediately jump to AI because almost all AI generated images are 'smooth'

But the art style for the portraits has remained mostly the exact same since NSB

(ignore the amount of time I took to write that, I misspelled portrait like 9 times LMAO)

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I thought and post NSB portraits are lightyears better

Like of all the things to complain about, portraits shouldn’t be one of them

Think people are just so used to some of the old deep fried ones I guess?

[pseudo wing]

the market is saturated with AI generated content that the apprehension to it makes sense, but some people have already made up their mind about a topic and refuse to budge even when given proof

Its perfectly valid to dislike the style the portraits have, but they still are not AI generated

[fresh cedar]

I assumed if anything was ever AI generated it would be clothing not portraits 😂

Especially the super meme ones like Senor Hitler

[fresh cedar]

Oh such a fun time to be an artist and a business

[coral drift]

Again. Stick to the Bosporus-NSB-BBA style would be enough.
Bring back NiX Studios!

[pseudo wing]

I think AI generation has no place in a creative space outside of mood boards and basic shapes (using AI as a tool is fine but to have it do all the work is just insulting and not appropriate)

But of course not everyone shares that Ideal and we have what is currently happening in today's world

*Again, this is personal opinion

[brittle venture]

Personally i like the old portraits

More realism/definity of features

[topaz storm]

When releases the next DLC?

[hollow lion]

IIRC NSB had a few nicely detailed ones that got much praise

[topaz storm]

I wanna spend my money on useless things

[hollow lion]

why would it be useless

[topaz storm]

Idk lol

Just assuming

Anyways, u guys have some date to tell

[pseudo wing]

every time someone asks, I delay it by an additional day

so far, its releasing in 2077

[hollow lion]

Hearts of Iron 2077

😨

[pseudo wing]

Night City edition

[topaz storm]

👺👺👺

[pseudo wing]

[topaz storm]

Fr dawg

U guys have to time to tell?

Like if gonna release this year

Or next

[pseudo wing]

I don't have a date, you'll just have to keep an eye out for it

[topaz storm]

Kk

Ty

[brittle venture]

No because they dont want to rush like with GoE

Better to take time and just wait for updates

[topaz storm]

GoE?

[topaz storm]

Fr

[topaz storm]

The hell is this

[hollow lion]

Graveyard of Empires

Its Steam score isnt great

[topaz storm]

Oh

It's a DLC right?

[hollow lion]

Yes

[topaz storm]

I have that one

I have all lol

Than changes something in game of course

Not music or visual changes

That's kinda meh

[hushed lion]

This dev corner was sorta underwhelming i feel

[fading walrus]

Honestly im glad its going slow

[drifting star]

Wonder if there will be an Indonesia tree given the exiled commie from Indonesia

Also charting east Asia ?

Maybe the South China Sea

[rotund cargo]

[pseudo wing]

forever trapped by me, Zwirbaum, you cannot escape

[waxen axle]

I pray to god that siam will get focus

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-office-sad-steve-carrel-gif-13099504922146745305

Or else im gonna be sad

[drifting star]

Never will happen Indonesia I’ll get it first

[waxen axle]

Anyway whats the difference between dev corners and dev diaries?

[drifting star]

*will

Corners are earlier and more wip while diaries are more complete

[waxen axle]

So when dev diaries will show up?

[coral drift]

Most likely October-early December

[waxen axle]

Jesus this means the new DLC will be released în 2026?

[stable tusk]

New Dev Corner stuff

[mellow laurel]

Huh

[quasi harbor]

Btw is that whole coal thing for this update dlc?

[mellow laurel]

No clue

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is

[quasi harbor]

I remember seeing it like a really long time ago this year

But then never heard more from it

And well, dlcs usually bring new mechanics

[mellow laurel]

The two big things for this DLC appear to be coal and an update to how naval missions work.

Alongside new faction mechanics

[quasi harbor]

A lot of things ngl

Im most excited for the new faction mechanics

So long "German Empire has joined the Chinese United Front"

[mellow laurel]

June 26

[quasi harbor]

Dam that wasn't that long ago then, i was thinking smth like February

[tranquil urchin]

honestly yes considering they gave us the supply update for free as well

[vast shore]

Updated Dev Corners

shit

[hushed lion]

Where da player fantasy?

[stable tusk]

These aren't Dev Diaries, these are Dev Corners (the difference? DDs come out after the DLC is announced and have more detail)

[stable tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast shore]

Ah my bad

Im so used to it being called Diaries from vicky 3

[waxen axle]

2026 release date i think?

[fresh cedar]

Based on what

[waxen axle]

Idk

dev diaries? like 1 per week

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cdrp-hogwash-wretched-hog-gif-26091988

[waxen axle]

wdym?

[fresh cedar]

2026 seems extreme

I’d guess December

[waxen axle]

3 months wow

well its its multiple dev diaries per week maybe will be released earlier?

[quasi harbor]

We're getting the announcement at the end of September

So i think the dlc might come out earlier maybe November

[waxen axle]

i do believe 2 month since annoucement

look at the Götterdämmerung

[quasi harbor]

Gotterdammerung was announced at the start of Oct

[waxen axle]

Dev diaries only in octomber and november

and released in november

[quasi harbor]

Yep

[waxen axle]

So its 2 months

[robust haven]

Oh that’s cool Siam rework might’ve just been confirmed

[waxen axle]

How?

[robust haven]

Got changed from Siam to Kingdom of Siam

So there might be more

[quasi harbor]

They made the Shan province in Burma 100% for Siam to claim its ww2 borders

[waxen axle]

I would be awesome for siam to get focus tree

[quasi harbor]

My guess is they going to mess with the provinces in Malaysia and Indochina too

[waxen axle]

So early november is my estimation for release

[quasi harbor]

Then again this is shaping to be a massive dlc

[waxen axle]

Yeah agree

[quasi harbor]

Chinas + Japan + Philippines + factions + coal + land raids + aircraft carrier rework so far

[waxen axle]

Its bigger than Götterdämmerung?

[quasi harbor]

Got was Germany+ Hungary+ Austria + Belg and Congo and for mechanics it was the air raids and Special projects

[waxen axle]

So the new DLC its just japanese version of Götterdämmerung

[robust haven]

Yea pretty much

You can argue no step back is at that level too

[drifting star]

Wonder what that censored photo is

The one with mao

I’m thinking Stalin

[hushed lion]

There is no reason they should blur stalin out though

Its clearly something more important

That they can't spoil

[twilit jolt]

probably either Lin Biao or Zhou Enlai tbh

[red mesa]

confucius got resurrected and is now a political advisor

[drifting star]

Nah Kim I’ll song

What if it was a commie Japan and China union

[brisk patrol]

what if it's multiple characters you can call to meet with you

[drifting star]

Nah commie Puyi empire of China

[hushed lion]

Death worship east asia path

[drifting star]

Great Leap Forward focuses ?

[stable tusk]

Probably the 28 1/2 Bolsheviks

[drifting star]

The great leap backwards

Two steps back

A Chinese riech

[stable tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ingsoc-apartment-big-brother-is-watching-you-big-brother-john-hurt-gif-10332425

[trim quartz]

Mao Zedong and Pu Yi

Probably teasing Manchukuo content

[drifting star]

Nah this would be insane

[trim quartz]

I like that idea

[drifting star]

The commie emperor of China

[trim quartz]

I mean paradox absolutely HAVE to update Manchukuo in this

[drifting star]

The mandate is upon the proletariat

[hollow coral]

it was changed a while ago

even in the game files its already listed as "kingdom of siam"

[drifting star]

Bro pulled out game files

[hollow coral]

i do gfx modding in my free time

[dire coyote]

that would be lowk a cool thing

[drifting star]

This is absolutely a path I sure of it

[hollow coral]

puyi wasnt indoctrinated until he was captured by mao

its a bit unrealistic for sure

[dire coyote]

maybe if u control all of china nd do mandate of heaven stuff u can then get a communist demagogue thing guy

[hollow coral]

unless communist bandits come to power i believe only communist china should have the communist path (and xinjiang)

[polar bronze]

I hope that manchuria gets some content

They could have a secret white russian schizo path

Menjeing could have something to do with taking back mongolia

[smoky geode]

what an AI slop this portrait drop

[hollow coral]

could be the artstyle

not trying to defend them but i did put there recent portraits into an ai image detector and it came out to be not likely ai

[thick edge]

@smoky geode

[smoky geode]

recognized 4 out of 8
missing important figures:
where are:

1. Hirota Koki, starting prime minister
2. Fumimaro Konoe, 34th (1937-1939), 38th and 39th prime minister (1940-1941)
3. Hiranuma Kiitiro, 35th prime minister
4. Yonai Mitsumasa, 36th prime minister

and Hideki looks too cartoonish

[hollow coral]

this is senjuro hayashi

[smoky geode]

sorry yeah

[thick edge]

that 1st dude is melting

[smoky geode]

he's not missing

wait I didn't mention he's missing

[hollow coral]

is this supposed to be hirota koki

[smoky geode]

looks pretty similar, thought he'll be in a jacket

who are 1st, 6th and 8th guys then

hoping that there's a way to bring Wang Jingwei to power in both variants

[hollow coral]

finaly figured it out

the last guy is actualy the leader of the tokugawa clan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Iesato

does this mean tokugawa reborn?

[smoky geode]

I was pretty close to this answer

[hollow coral]

6th guy is machida chuji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machida_Chūji

[smoky geode]

I mean initially Wang Jingwei was just in opposition to Chiang Kai-shek and only after Japan's successes he accepted to be a prime minister of collab government

so propably there's a way to bring him to power

[hollow coral]

probably a tree for wangjingwei to coup roc or if japan established the chinese puppet

[hollow coral]

i cant tell if this is a towel around his neck

it might not be hirota koki either

[smoky geode]

well just hoping they'll keep Fumimaro

[hollow coral]

fumimaro no doubt will be leader

[solid gyro]

They removed the double chin!

THEY BUTCHERED MY BOY! 😭

[swift crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[sharp spade]

pouring one out for when he's updated

[coral drift]

Dec 7th '25, bruv

[trim quartz]

I pray Manchukuo and Siam still get content

[hollow coral]

They stated manchukuo will be updated in a dev reply

Sism however i personally think is unlikely

[trim quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/malkiligreaction-gif-17216035670325257630

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/77-gif-17927864047465403784

Yippee!!!

[hollow coral]

they specifically said updated instead of reworked so im guessing it will probably be the same tree but with a bunch of new focuses and hopefully an industry and military tree

the qing path could have something cool like bringing back qing officials

but anything else like a communist or democratic is unlikely

and i hope they remove that pseudo shared tree

[dire coyote]

qing has so much

potential

its tree is so short tho

[polar bronze]

I hope they treat the manchurians right 🥲

What do you guys think of coal?

[coral kraken]

Guys where can I see the latest dev corner

[hollow coral]

paradox forums or #hearts-of-iron-news

[smoky geode]

Trash

Half-measure

What's the point in coal if you still somehow exctract steel instead of raw iron minerals (no matter which exactly)

Same with aluminimimimum

Game is dead since MtG as one fart smella smart fella said

[cosmic stag]

really mane really?

[smoky geode]

How can a game be alive when:
The best fighter is x12 MG
The best tank is heavy with 3 small cannons
The best tank design is tanks with high armor TD
Deathstack navy meta since game release
Scuffed economics where Economy of Conquest does literally nothing to you if you reach 100%
All supply going from metropoly and no stuff is stored in supply hubs
Transport plane supply drop doesn't work if you're disconnected from supply

A lot of other surreal shit

And it's the best ww2 macro game btw

[thick edge]

It’s hard to replicate shit in a ww2 game

I mean I’m having fun and idc

[smoky geode]

Easier than you think

When you actually trying - easier

[thick edge]

I’m not a coder so I’m assuming

[smoky geode]

WorldEdit appreciator

[thick edge]

Besides the company that made this game has 10 other games to look after

[smoky geode]

But I didn't mention my main complaint: you can't have too many players in the same MP lobby cause desyncs occure in much larger quantities and loading save game files in the lobby after that takes ages

[smoky geode]

People pulling out crazy stuff up to this day in Warcraft III using only one processor core

[thick edge]

I feel like desyncs are just skill issue

Like I can host a 20 person game with people from Europe as an American

[smoky geode]

I mean 40+ players

[thick edge]

Yet can’t do a 1v1 with a freind in Washington state

[smoky geode]

With full dive
Minister of defense, multiple general players, head of the state, Minister of Foreign Affairs, etc.

I think that could be rly fun if not constant desyncing

[thick edge]

People have done that

It takes a really long time

[smoky geode]

How factorio can handle millions of items being transported, manufactured, mobs moving and creating new nests and not lagging rly
While HoI IV still struggles with 5 speed

When units just moving around the map

[thick edge]

We have this wonderful thing called the Clausewitz engine

(We need a new game engine please)

[maiden sierra]

Factorio was specifically created from the ground up with performance in mind, and refactored most calculations multiple times to get small performance gains

For example, they did away with fluid mechanics entirely to get better performance

Clausewitz isn't the issue, the issue is that optimization takes a lot of time. I don't understand why they added all these small nations in GoE, they just drag the performance down

[brittle venture]

Most people dont know how to meta/dont care to learn

And just like roleplay

The game is active because to some degree you can make any "realistic" build work

While not being too easy

[brittle venture]

Also no

Hoi3 is better if you want ww2 roleplay

[maiden sierra]

HoI5 will release on an updated version of Clausewitz, but you can't just port a game over

[brittle venture]

Hoi4 is silly goofy ahist game

[brittle venture]

Its also calculating millions of things mostly about equipment types

[maiden sierra]

I just use Optimization++ and delete all unnecessary countries

Game runs smooth as butter on 5 speed

[brittle venture]

Yeah you should do that with a bad pc

[hollow lion]

📝 Optimization++

So far the only mod Ive tested that seemt worth it was FPS map

[maiden sierra]

It gives you the diplomatic action delete country, which annexes AI countries to a country with 1000% consumer goods, -1000% recruitable pop and factory output and various other debuffs that make it unable to create divisions or build anything.

It also never goes out of date with updates

[hollow lion]

Makes sense

[crimson tartan]

i don't believe we will get dev corners one after another on monday and tuesday

nah

things like this already happened to us

i don't want to be fooled again

[brittle venture]

Well thats wrong

It needs to be updated with every map change

[sharp spade]

Maybe not back to back but Monday Thursday

They’re wanting to finish every dev corner so October can be all DD

My thought process is is that they want to bring this out in November and then ck3 can drop all under heaven in December

[smoky geode]

And doing that badly

Oh and also to make almost any div somewhat historical you need to have 6-8 support company slots

No diff between pack, light, med, heavy arty, only in some mods there is difference

[hollow lion]

Usually by having 200 production lines, kinda lame

[maiden sierra]

It hasn't been updated for 2-3 years AFAIK

[hollow lion]

Theyre multiple mods that do a similar thing, some probably have that issue while others dont

[fresh cedar]

I forget, can you post a picture of a modded picture of Hitler. There was a mod that had a higher quality pic of him and I made a Senior Hitler version of that

[pseudo wing]

Typically no, modded pictures of him aren't allowed

[fresh cedar]

Dang

Even senor mode? 😭

[pseudo wing]

I allowed it at some point and people just kept posting him and saying 'its fine its just a mod' to then post a bunch of nazi stuff, unfortunately

[fresh cedar]

Makes sense

[pseudo wing]

any of the portraits from the base game, whether the regular one, senior hitler etc are all allowed, I dont stop people from posting them

[fresh cedar]

People do tend to get extreme with that stuff

Idk why but the GDR one just didn’t feel right lol

[pseudo wing]

That's an entirely fair opinion, some people prefer the older one, some the new one, and of course some like yourself prefer to do modded variations

[fresh cedar]

Senor just always looked a little goofy. Wanted a better version what can I say 😂

[brittle venture]

the old version is a game asset

[fresh cedar]

Wasn’t it added in some like random side dlc

Historical German portraits

Forget if that was paid or not

[brittle venture]

still a game asset tho

[fresh cedar]

Ik but I made a modded version

[sharp spade]

If they ever did focus on a ideology rework what would you all want?

[fresh cedar]

More options. If anything, Monarchy and Anarchism should have their own.

[sharp spade]

I would like for there to be more country laws

[thick edge]

Same

[smoky geode]

the issue is that my PC is not that bad

I guess clausewitz doubledowns on CPU instead of GPU

there's thousands of parallel actions = ideal for GPU

[hollow lion]

Theyve said before that its hard to even multithread HOI because things have to run in a consistent order

[smoky geode]

..there's hours in game

well, explain then what do they mean by that

you mean that processes must be synced and end at the next hour?

and some processes take more time than other therefore there are lags?

[barren tusk]

Chat am I cooked?

[inland bloom]

damn even taking a shower is already difficult

[barren tusk]

So unfortunate they didn't add to use a deodorant

That was my biggest flex

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-ok-yes-no-maybe-gif-17229533911735731357

[polar jasper]

When it comes to portraits, I miss the old style where they feel painted rather than smooth digital version of a guy.

At least it isn't 3D characters like in Vic3 and CK3. They don't vibe with me

[thick edge]

Same

[stable tusk]

The smooth versions are also called AI even tho people (especially Chak) have confirmed they aren't

[polar jasper]

I know they aren't AI. They just are made to look all smooth and such

I'm guessing it is just a lot harder to make painted looking portraits, but dang I like those

[polar jasper]

Random thing, I do remember when hoi4 made that one video/short of them creating the portraits from start to finish

[stable tusk]

True

[waxen axle]

I wonder will rest of middle east countries will get focus tree? like saudi arabia

[shy sky]

why

we dont need GoE 2.0

[waxen axle]

But isnt saudi arabia have potential?

[hushed lion]

It does

Goe was fun

[maiden sierra]

Sure, but South Asia will probably be first. The only contenders we've got left are North South America, South Asia and Middle East. But then again, PDX may decide to rework the Commonwealth before that

[hollow coral]

countrypacks should be about prioritising countries without trees

[brittle venture]

South asia doesnt have them?

Dutch east indies, malaya, siam, indochina, burma

[hollow coral]

i absolutely agree south east asia should get the next country pack

[waxen axle]

But im still praying that siam will get a focus in the new dlc

[maiden sierra]

Reddit was saying they don't, but I'm not sure what their source was

[hollow coral]

No source but its likely siam wont get a tree

Just judging by the current countries already confirmed

[waxen axle]

On monday there will be a dev corner about east asia

Maybe siam will be shown there

[hollow coral]

Yes because siam is definitely in east Asia

[waxen axle]

East Asia charting what is meaning of this i wonder 🤔

If anyone have an idea what this could mean

[weary dew]

this probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere

it's already ingame as a faction, but probably dev reshaped it

[waxen axle]

So siam is kinda confirmed?

[weary dew]

idk, siam got invaded by japan because they refuse to let them cross their territoiries, fought lasted 2 hours, then Siam joined Japan in the asian coprosperity sphere

[hollow coral]

Doubtful

[polar jasper]

Becomes Axis partner by force.

Thai diplomat refuses to declare war on US.

Only forced to lose lands they gained during the war after losing the war.

Get called the oriental Italy

[hollow coral]

Siam would definitely be the main focus in a SEA country pack

[polar jasper]

So when is Siam going to be named Thailand again. That took place in 1939 I believe

[hollow coral]

When the fascist guy took over

[polar jasper]

Thailand was already quite nationalistic before then

But yeah you're right, I thought he was in power for longer

[hollow coral]

Same party but he was more radical

[robust grail]

what is exactly "naval invasion speed" ?

[hollow lion]

Its how fast they move over sea tiles and/or from sea tiles to land I think

[robust grail]

no, i don't think they change how fast they move on ocean, it still 4 kn and have no bonus from doctrine and tech

[hollow lion]

Maybe only the latter, thatd make sense

[brittle venture]

im like 50% sure its just how fast they plan

[hollow lion]

Theres a seperate modifier for that

[brittle venture]

ohh ok

[shy sky]

yes 5% naval invasion planning speed when it's only 7 days!!!

[copper oar]

is the next dlc gonna be in 2026 or 2025

[grim nimbus]

yes its in october of 2026

[copper oar]

Hm

[waxen axle]

2025

[hushed lion]

Probably late November and or December

[drifting star]

Prolly October imo

U know what would be nice some new occupation related decisions

Or pre arranged peace deal events

[fresh cedar]

Probably not

[sharp spade]

november like last year

[maiden sierra]

Dev diaries haven't even started yet. Those might be limited though, now that we've had dev corners

[hollow coral]

where does this idea come from?

[maiden sierra]

Normally, they explain the idea of an expansion through dev diaries. Now that most has been explained through dev corners, they will need less explanation on diaries.

[hollow coral]

they didnt actually reveal much maybe a few small details but we still have no clue what majority of the countries will look like and the mechanics havent been fully fleshed out

[quasi harbor]

Last year Gotterdammerung was only announced in October and it was released by november

About 6 weeks after announcement. This dlc will apparently be announced at the end of the month

[fresh cedar]

Exactly. Many paths weren’t mentioned at all nor the scope and direct focus of the dlc/expansion

I expect they’ll release a video like the trailer for GDR before doing any diaries

[wise oxide]

what are we getting next week?

[coral drift]

@pseudo wing just saying

Whoever makes the next HoI4 shorts, they need to insert a sneakpeek for Tan Malaka's inclusion for the next update.

My Indonesian server loved it, but i'm sure it can draw more appeal if it actually gets shown in YouTube instead of Steam/ParadoxPlaza Devcorners.

[drifting star]

Masuka was the bay harbor butcher

[coral drift]

Who?

I'm talking about this dude

[drifting star]

It’s from a American TV show

Sorry u didn’t get the reference

https://tenor.com/view/masuka-dexter10-dexter-dexter-gi-fs-masuka-little-gif-6073015

[coral drift]

Nah, it's okay. We're half a world's away

[kindred beacon]

So, we all know the devs love putting a certain failed Austrian painter in various places if he gets overthrown

I think we need "Emperor Hitler" for the new China content. What would his Chinese name be?

[tranquil urchin]

Xing Xong

[drifting star]

Emperor hit la

Also we need a 55 days at Peking achievement

Call it 70 days in chongdong

• as Japan in an alliance with USA, France , imperial Germany, and UK divide China

[hollow coral]

That might be nearly impossible

[hollow coral]

Also hit is not a sound in chinese fyi

希特勒 or xitelei is the Chinese translation of hitler

[noble mountain]

bro dexter is soooo good

[thin walrus]

actually, would be crazy if they reinstored Qing as a fascist country

not THAT bad of an idea in my opinion

after restoring Qing you decide if you want to resume the Fascist dictatorship or turn into an Absolute Monarchy and Unaligned or whatever it was called

[hollow coral]

yeah some random german guy comes up to the manchu noblity and claims he has the mandate of heaven

definitely wont get kicked out

manchukuo is only fascist since its ruled by japan not to the same degree as nazism

[maiden sierra]

Puyi is about as legitimate as Hirohitler would be

[hollow coral]

the last emperor vs funny moustache man

[maiden sierra]

Which is to say, not very liked by the people at all

[hollow coral]

but to say illegitimate is wrong

[maiden sierra]

Depends where you're getting the legitimacy from. I was assuming legitimate in the eyes of the people, with the mandate of heaven long gone

[hollow coral]

does this mean evil moustache man has the mandate of heaven

[obtuse cloud]

manchukuo would need first a path to put Pu Yi really in power, he didn’t have much influence

[solid gyro]

hi

[hollow coral]

not new information to me. realistically since its already confirmed that manchukuo will be updated the independance path for manchukuo could be split into two with one keeping puyi as a constituional monarch or one with him as an absolute ruler

although manchukuo is an artificial state so realistically it wouldnt hold up

japan brought in puyi just to gain some legitimacy

[obtuse cloud]

also if they make a “third option” path how could it be? like without Pu Yi

[harsh hull]

All states are artificial states

[hollow coral]

i meant artifical in a sense that it was only created to serve one purpose

it wasnt to serve the interest of the people living there thats for sure

[hollow coral]

probably just turn into another clique

[obtuse cloud]

like a kwantung clique?

[hollow coral]

second fengtian clique or something pertaining to the region

a kwantung path would be cool if japan was taken over by communists and the military remnants stayed in manchukuo

manchu's were already significantly outnumbered in manchuria so i dont see manchu nationalism to be big

[obtuse cloud]

also do you think that mengukuo/mengjiang will get a tree? schizo mongolian empire

[hollow coral]

probably will but mostly on the lines of paraguay and uruguay

[obtuse cloud]

or maybe aussa

[hollow coral]

mr demchugdongrub was seen as a symbol for mongol independance and pan mongolism so i could see him getting a path where he gains legitimacy in mongolia and annexes them

or a mongol fascist path where they align with japan and crown him as khan

[hollow coral]

so a yuan dynasty formable and mongol empire formable is possible but a greater mongolia path would be more reasonable

[woeful oasis]

Really wished the game would better represent partisan warfare in Yugoslavia with the Chetniks, Partisans, leftover royal Yugoslav army soldiers, and collaborationist forces

[polar jasper]

Resistance level 80%

[thick edge]

Nice pfp

[hollow lion]

Annoyingly you cant really put units on the map because theyd have to be insanely OP or isolated or theyd be killed immediately

Maybe a scripted GUI with areas of control would be cool

[stable tusk]

AI slop

[oblique bobcat]

Like always

[tepid totem]

mongolia and tannu tuva focus trees are forced

[tepid totem]

something similar to eight years war of resistance?

with the partisian warfare

and also better states because yugoslavian states suck

probably the worst states ive ever seem

seen

[hushed lion]

I understand tannu tuva but not mongolia

[drifting star]

2 days till next corner

Wonder what it will be

Hopefully indochina

[hushed lion]

Indochina I believe won't be getting any content this dlc, maybe in the countrypack it might

The upcoming dlc is already very bloated

[drifting star]

Yea but charting east Asia

Which could mean East Asian nations

Like indochina and Korea, maybe duch East Indies

[hushed lion]

Again unlikely, korra is the only one I believe will be getting a focus tree in this dlc

The upcoming dlc already has japan, china, republic of China, a warlord update, manchukuo, Philippines and presumably Korea

[stable tusk]

Siam needs a focus tree

They deserve it more than Korea

Since Korea was literally annexed into Japan in 1910

[oblique bobcat]

USA focus tree maybe ?

What is the %

?

[hushed lion]

Not a single chance for this dlc

[hushed lion]

It does but it might get sidelined for the next dlc

[high minnow]

french indochina should become a seperate country

but as a puppet state (/colony)

[hushed lion]

And it probably will

Ans ofcourse it would be a colony

[high minnow]

maybe a small sized focus tree for flavor, or medium

i expect japan to 100% have a BIG focus tree since currently japan is one of the worst focus trees rn

[hushed lion]

Yes although still this would end up in the presumed future South East asia dlc

[high minnow]

maybe there will be an ACTUAL buildup to the big war™, since currently it just throws you in the deep end

[drifting star]

Figured out what’s wrong with my computer

My hdd is doing the click of death 😭

[oblique bobcat]

Damn

Glad we at least have mods

[hollow lion]

rip

[tepid totem]

opposite you mean

[drifting star]

What Mongolia has a rich history in the region Tana Tuva was annexed by the Russians

[tepid totem]

yeah exactly?

i said both focus trees are forced

while the guy said "i understand tannu tuva but not mongolia"

[drifting star]

Oh

So are u against a Mongolia tree ?

[tepid totem]

no

they both need one, even if its small

maybe not tannu tuva

but at least mongolia

[hushed lion]

Tannu tuva may have the warlord tree for all that I care

[drifting star]

Why would they have a warlord tree ?

[tepid totem]

id say a different one fits better

at this point of time they're just a soviet satellite

nothing more

[harsh hull]

Tanu Tuva convincing the Soviet Union to support them as the legitimate Chinese government would go pretty hard

[hushed lion]

Real

[tepid totem]

in no planet would that work, except on hoi4 of course

[harsh hull]

That's why it would go hard, yes

[hollow pebble]

What are we talking abt over here

Since I just joined this server I found

[drifting star]

Latest dev diaries hopes for next update

[heavy bolt]

why is korea seperated from japan?

[stable tusk]

We don't know, yet

[hollow coral]

whats the guesses on the next platypus plushy

im betting either hirohito plushie or puyi plushie

[drifting star]

Samurai platypus

I would pay 50 for that

[hollow coral]

im pretty sure paradox already made one for another game

[drifting star]

If not then shogun platypus

[hollow coral]

for eu4

https://www.makeship.com/products/platypus-samurai

im betting either in this fit

or this

[wooden wyvern]

gonna give it content probably

its a big country thats not on the map altho for good reason

as a korean im not complaining hto

[drifting star]

I need a Korea church of light path

Daejonggyo path is more likely but also just as insane

Moon Sun-myung was alive during 1936 and in 1936 is when he claimed to have visions

[hollow coral]

I dont see that as a viable path

More or less another schizo path

[stable tusk]

Sorry I just needed an excuse to use this image I found

[hushed lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256683504746369075/1263582822434865284/togif.gif

Gif version for easy use

[hollow coral]

Gonna be using this everytime i see some bs

[signal cargo]

What do you guys think the first dev diary will be about? Random guesses

[hushed lion]

Presumably the dlc

[wise oxide]

tomorrow news?

[weary dew]

Yes sir

[polar jasper]

First dev diary is either.

Announcing dates
Announcing the DLC itself
Both

[rich eagle]

Fallout:

[rich eagle]

Bro the second Ranch bottle.

[drifting star]

My pc runs let’s go

[fresh cedar]

Sarsparilla is basically a cursed rootbeer

[rich eagle]

I think it's good.

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t say it wasn’t

[rich eagle]

Ooh

[wise oxide]

today

[wise oxide]

2 hours

[waxen axle]

I cant wait for dev corner

To see what is a about south east asia

[wise oxide]

same so hyped to see maps hopefully

[waxen axle]

Yes

Me too

[coral drift]

Oh man, yeah

[pulsar socket]

Fiji focus tree 🙏

[wise oxide]

any second

[hollow coral]

Why do people think its going to be about southeast asia

[sharp spade]

Hopium

[waxen axle]

Is dev corner here?

Or not

[viral dock]

Not yet mate

[waxen axle]

Shiet

[viral dock]

I feel you mate

I can't wait for It tò release either

Announcement release date revealed

[sharp spade]

I’m guessing it’ll be November December

[crimson tartan]

devcorner when

😭

[waxen axle]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[stable mica]

I think 2 p.m. Greenwich Time.

[wise oxide]

bc paradox told us

[main citrus]

the previous few dev corners where around 1 and a half hour ago but i give them 2 more hours before saying it getting delayed

[frozen kestrel]

don't you dare say that word

[weary dew]

if it's delayed time to start a color revolution

[crimson tartan]

i said that

i said that

i told you!!!

[crimson tartan]

you didn't want to listen to me
but i was right

[hollow coral]

Never heard of that

[crimson tartan]

5 minutes ready

[cosmic falcon]

It's out.

[eager prawn]

Finally

[cosmic stag]

cant wait for the pacific asia dlc

[coral drift]

The Pacific Reacts 🗣🗣🗣

[eternal flume]

Most useless dev diary ever

[pseudo wing]

It's not a Dev Diary, its a Dev Corner.

these are less about giving information but rather asking for input

[coral drift]

Foreign Minister Yoshizawa Kenkichi being seen off by Jacob Hoogstraten after the failed negotiation, with Hubertus van Mook overlooking them both, June 27th 1941

[hollow coral]

It came out like 6 minutes ago just read it my brother

[eternal flume]

I have read it

[hollow coral]

Honestly the coal still bothers me

It just feels unnecessary

[torn dawn]

I’m honestly shocked that supposedly the final announcement is this week

[pastel lantern]

Yeah Japan

[hollow coral]

Tomorrow will be interesting

[lament kiln]

the DLC will be released on the final announcement?

[pastel lantern]

But what about axis faction

[torn dawn]

And yes the coal and electricity feels unnecessary and just a further way to cripple minor nations

[pastel lantern]

Is Germany still the leader?

[hollow coral]

Announced

[pastel lantern]

Italy starts in the faction?

[hollow coral]

Not released

[hollow coral]

what?

[crimson tartan]

YAY

[pastel lantern]

Idc about japan 😭

What about axis and allies

[hollow coral]

whats the question i dont get it

[pastel lantern]

Do they have faction goals?

[dull minnow]

Yes

[pastel lantern]

Which ones

[dull minnow]

The Axis' goal is expansion
The Allies' goal is keeping global peace and the current world order

[hollow coral]

Just read the factions dev corner

[dusk mist]

Go read the faction goals Dev corner

[pastel lantern]

Im lazy

[hollow coral]

😔

[pastel lantern]

Do you get some kind of buff when you achieve the goal?

[dusk mist]

Read the corner

[dull minnow]

I believe yes

[pastel lantern]

I kinda understand that factions now have like a balance of power like Mussolini does?

[dusk mist]

No

Read the corner

[pastel lantern]

And you must achieve goals for the faction to not break up?

[dull minnow]

Nope

[dusk mist]

Read the corner

[hollow coral]

Why ask so many questions if they can be answered in the corner

[dusk mist]

💯

[dull minnow]

Facts

[dusk mist]

Only reason I can possibly see is to try and waste other people's time?

[hollow coral]

I feel like its easier to read it then to wait for a response

[pastel lantern]

Ok sorry

[fresh cedar]

I think achieving goals gives you buffs or bonuses. I’m not sure if it would breakup but probably indirectly get debuffed

[waxen axle]

No siam 😭

[wise oxide]

so china japan communist china and philippines get a focus tree are the others warlords and manchuria?

[waxen axle]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-why-mario-gif-19312726

[hollow coral]

Just wait for the countrypack announcements

[waxen axle]

It will be a new season pass?

[hollow coral]

Warlords will be updated but not getting a unique tree each. Manchukuo will be updated and presumably mengjiang will get some content

[hollow coral]

Probably

[waxen axle]

Ok

[wise oxide]

confirmed?

[brittle venture]

No

[wise oxide]

what region are we betting on?

[brittle venture]

The expansion pass 2 is announced iirc

But nothing in it is confirmed

So everything is just rumours

Besides ofc all info about the next major dlc

[hollow coral]

SEA is just the most likely

[wise oxide]

whats sea

[hollow coral]

Southeast asia

[wise oxide]

you mean the rest of the guys?

[hollow coral]

yes

[wise oxide]

would make sense

[hollow coral]

Other options would be the central americas and the rest of South America but they are not important enough to get there own

[wise oxide]

siam malaysia indonesia australia new zealand i think

[hollow coral]

Yet

[fresh cedar]

I don’t know if we know the entire scope yet

[wise oxide]

but should be more

[hollow coral]

Siam burma dei malaya and maybe they add indochina but thats probably it

[fresh cedar]

I imagine Southeast Asia will be within the same expansion

[hollow coral]

I dont think australia and new zealand should get lumped in

[wise oxide]

current trees are so old

[hollow coral]

Country packs should be about giving trees to countries without them yet

[fresh cedar]

I dont think any of the British puppets will be in this lol

[wise oxide]

imagine usa will be with japan

would be peak

[brittle venture]

Could also be warlords

[hollow coral]

Burma probably will be

[brittle venture]

I like new zealand a lot

I will be sad if they change it

[fresh cedar]

Burma and Malaysia will probably be early next year within the same expansion

[brittle venture]

But thats bias anyway

Theres also a possibility of a levant/north africa country pack

North african campaign

[wise oxide]

nah

[fresh cedar]

New Zealand and Australia are very lacking

[brittle venture]

Australia sucks yeah

[fresh cedar]

Levant? That’s a pretty small scope 😭

[hollow coral]

Eh bit iffy on those guys. They are pretty inconsequential and mostly just to make china weaker and be easy to conquer i dont like the idea of them to become superpowers

[fresh cedar]

If I had to pay $15 for a levant country pack I’d crash out

[wise oxide]

ireland albania and luxemburg

[brittle venture]

You get egypt..

Saudi arabia yemen

Oman focus tree

[wise oxide]

random 3rd world puppets should get simple small trees

[fresh cedar]

This is the Levant

[brittle venture]

Ik

[fresh cedar]

You’re are referencing the Middleast

[hollow coral]

Albania could probably be in a balkan rework. Ireland could probably be in a uk rework, luxembourg could probably be in a french rework

[brittle venture]

Yeah but thats a pretty bad term to use

So i try not to

[fresh cedar]

???

[wise oxide]

that theoretical dlc better include all of the middle east and liberia

[hollow coral]

They also added kuwait

[fresh cedar]

It is not a bad term lol

[hollow coral]

Gotta make them the gulf supremacy

[brittle venture]

Its similar to saying manchuria, mostly fine, but has issues with some people especially in the region

[hollow coral]

Liberia is pretty random

[wise oxide]

yes but that wont be soon usa is next 100%

[fresh cedar]

“Woah, a region is called its European version in a game made by Europeans”

[wise oxide]

just so they dont feel left out

[hollow coral]

Liberia should 100% be in a usa rework for the memes

[wise oxide]

but like a simple small tree for the sake of it

generic trees should not exist

[fresh cedar]

United States of Africa meme path to unite Africa

[brittle venture]

liberia gets a focus where they trees swap on ahist

[hollow coral]

Honestly plausible

[wise oxide]

if i could code i would give all releaseables unique spirits and flavour to the generic trees

shared trees with similar countries are also cool

[fresh cedar]

Even just regional differences would be nice

[hollow coral]

Usa rework should be usa, mexico cuba haiti dominican republic and liberia trust me

[wise oxide]

but road to 56 does that and thats why its the best mod

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I think Mexico is actually pretty good

Wouldn’t need much content

[hollow coral]

Probably more fleshed out political trees

[wise oxide]

im a usa tree believer

[fresh cedar]

I mean who knows how the US will be impacted by this expansion

[hollow coral]

Im betting 5 new focuses maybe even 6

[fresh cedar]

Would rather expansion 3 be allies, with the main being France, UK, USA, then a country pack being all the commonwealth countries

[thick edge]

East Asia looks weird

[hollow coral]

That will be $60 thank you

[wise oxide]

usa will get something so that japan can properly interract with it

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully not

Pearl Harbor needs to be a raid

[hollow coral]

They wouldnt be secretly hiding that usa is getting a rework

[wise oxide]

i mean some stuff not full rework

[fresh cedar]

Most likely outcome imo

[hollow coral]

Im not american so what would you like to see in an American rework?

[wise oxide]

balance

[fresh cedar]

More flavor. POST NSB army, air, navy rework with spirits

[wise oxide]

but coal is balance + factions too

[fresh cedar]

The US had like the most OP industry in the world by the end of the war. Kept entire theaters afloat globally

But in game, gets similar factories to UK near the end of the war

And Soviets get like 2-3x the factories

[pseudo wing]

rightful mongolian land of course

(/s)

but no, thats just the standard map asset we use

[fresh cedar]

USA needs a rework to its states, like New England broken up, some states broken into parts like Texas and cali. Similar map to Kaiserreich I guess.

Coal will obviously buff the USA but I fear it won’t be enough

[brittle venture]

This must instead be a political statement

[fresh cedar]

Chak did you secure the New France formable?

[hollow coral]

Pre Louisiana purchase borders?

[pseudo wing]

No, but I refuse to give up hope

[hollow coral]

So i can larp

[fresh cedar]

Heck yeah, starts as Quebec. Then can core Canada basically. Afterwards can reclaim pre lousiana

If Chile can be France, Quebec should be able to as well

[brittle venture]

Does it help if you tell them im asking for that

[fresh cedar]

And I’ll die on that hill

[brittle venture]

Phone double sending

[pseudo wing]

banned

[brittle venture]

Im sorry chak 😔

[hollow coral]

Is the us rework secretly setting up to the secret quebec tree where you invite the bourbons and take back the americas??

[fresh cedar]

Realistically they’ll probably have a similar meme path to the East India Company and just have American corporations take over everything

[hollow coral]

Hudson bay company unfortunately

[drifting star]

There is something secret about this dlc just don’t know what

[twilit jolt]

okay this was a bit nothingburger compared to the rest

we require Hong Kong, Macau, Guangzhouwan, Qingdao and Shanghai releasable nations as reparations

[fresh cedar]

We don’t know the full scope of the expansion yet so I’m reserving judgement

[twilit jolt]

I need to see my boy Ma Hushan of Khotan Ma and I need to see him NOW

[fresh cedar]

We’ll see

[fresh cedar]

Feel like we’re gonna get a lot more generals tbh

Hoping Manchuria gets content

[twilit jolt]

I wonder if they're gonna have MEN and MAN start as Non-Aligned now that Japan will start as that

[civic vine]

new dev diary be like:

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

how do they expect the community to keep their attention on the dev diary without their usual pretty pictures?

[brittle venture]

This isnt a dev diary

Simple as that

Those will come later too

[civic vine]

dev corner dev diary whatever you know what I meant

im assuming after the 25th they're gonna announce the release? potentially a new roadmap with the actual dev diaries?

[brittle venture]

Theyll probably atart dev diaries then

Which are later in development

Better visualized with more "content" info

[civic vine]

yeah so basically the same as GoE

[brittle venture]

Like country specific focus trees and details

[civic vine]

ok

[brittle venture]

The corners are about general development ideas and getting reception on them

[civic vine]

makes sense

[brittle venture]

Like maybe people dont like this whole new faction system stuff, they want to have insight from the community about thoughts, concerns, potential issues

[near rune]

I wonder how they'll tackle pearl harbour

[civic vine]

my thoughts and concerned are that Siam wasn't mentioned at all and that makes me sad

[near rune]

perhaps force the usa to base a fleet out of hawaii or recieve debuffs and then allow the japanese a window of opportunity to send a few carriers to the seazone and nuke the us fleet

[brittle venture]

You cant force this

Unless you do cope scripting which people dont like

[drifting star]

Tf kind of diary is this

Also notice how they say “the nations we have shown so far” does that mean more nations ?

[hushed lion]

Yes

[civic vine]

it means there's still hope for Siam

[hushed lion]

As in manchukuo for example

[fresh cedar]

No it means no more nations

[drifting star]

I’m guessing the war lords

Imagine they do a diary for each Ma

[hushed lion]

Yes and manchukuo*

[fresh cedar]

They already said warlords aren’t really getting trees

[hushed lion]

They are getting a face-lift

[fresh cedar]

KMT, MAN, and PRC only ones getting trees in China if I had to guess

[drifting star]

No Khotan clique 😭

Maybe we can get a ottoman China

[fresh cedar]

Which doesn’t mean a unique tree but rather a generic for them

[hushed lion]

Yes

A better generic tree but still a generic tree

[fresh cedar]

Just hope warlords get some type of formable

[near rune]

I really hope that they don't let communist china core tibet as a jab at the chinese players who had a meltdown at the mere idea that india could core tibet

[hushed lion]

Sinkiang already does i guess

[fresh cedar]

Would be cool to retain the status of a warlord and be a slightly larger warlord

[hushed lion]

And Mengjiang probably will

[fresh cedar]

Watch the DLC trailer randomly focus on the Qing 😂

[near rune]

they might get a generic sort of reichskommissariat tree if they allow japan to pop out collaboration states in china for the co prosperity sphere

[fresh cedar]

I was wondering if they’d do that too

Would be neat if faction resource trading gave more resources. So if China allied Japan, they’d get more coal

[near rune]

if they're able to do that I hope they remove mengkukuo and make it a releasable (but allow japan to directly retain the land)

as it didn't exist until 1938 if memory serves

ooh, and allow to fuel early ship hulls with coal for shits and giggles

[fresh cedar]

That would be really cool

[thick edge]

Blue China

I need it

[near rune]

though there is only one ship type at game's start that required coal irl, and it's those irrelevant german pre dreadnoughts

[fresh cedar]

Yeah most navies transitioned by 1920

[near rune]

which one of the 4 ma's will have ma bufang

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully Meng gets a different one than warlords.

[hushed lion]

Real

[fresh cedar]

Khotan Ma would be a cool color too

[near rune]

I wonder if generals will be shared amongst the warlords as I don't think it would be very easy to find 2-3 generals plus a field marshal for every warlord and still give main china and the commies plenty

maybe ma bufang will be available to all or most of the ma's

[fresh cedar]

Feel like they’ll have 2-5 per warlord tbh

[near rune]

that's harder still

[fresh cedar]

Imagine their uniforms changed if combined with PRC/KMT 😂

[hushed lion]

So if one of the ma's is at war with another does that mean ma bufang will be fighting on both sides?

[near rune]

that would be awesome but then there'd be the expectation to do that for literally every country and paradox will never do that

[fresh cedar]

Think he would belong to one country

[fresh cedar]

Nah, would only really work in China well imo

[drifting star]

Mengjing need a new tree

[hushed lion]

It will be getting the warlord tree

[fresh cedar]

Why

[drifting star]

It has a generic

[drifting star]

Pan Mongolia ?

[near rune]

now that I think about it, there wouldn't be the need as most of them would already don ROC uniforms as most of the warlords pledged allegiance to the nationalists

[fresh cedar]

Just PRC v KMT imo

I just hope the KMT and PRC isn’t a micro intensive hell with decisions

[near rune]

yunnan is now practically a major with all of the expansion it got

japan watch out

[quasi harbor]

tbf you only have 1 thing to worry about

infantry

[fresh cedar]

You think Tibet will get any content?

[near rune]

borderwars 😍

[fresh cedar]

I bet China can core it

[fresh cedar]

I hate border wars so much

[near rune]

only the KMT hehe

[quasi harbor]

borders conflicts are 50/50 yolos basically

[hushed lion]

Maybe warlord tree

[fresh cedar]

Bro they’d lose their minds. Just like with the GOE drama 😭

[thick edge]

Imagine with border wars u could just steal land after them

[near rune]

well, they reaped the wind with crying about india being able to core tibet so they sow the whirlwind with the communists not being able to core tibet

[fresh cedar]

So like how it was early on

[hushed lion]

So nothing changes?

[fresh cedar]

Kinda makes sense for China to core it imo

[hushed lion]

Thats already how it works

[quasi harbor]

tbh they added the east india company where you can basically buy half the planet without any opposition

[brittle venture]

Nothing ever happens

Be patient

[near rune]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[thick edge]

Border wars are already in the game?

[drifting star]

Lemme call my happening guy

Oh wait

[fresh cedar]

Hope Korea gets content

[thick edge]

Other than Korea and Soviets

[hushed lion]

Border wars used to take land

In china

[near rune]

I hope they get re-integrated into japan because they were formally integrated in like 1910 so their inclusion doesn't make sense

[hushed lion]

Those already are there

[quasi harbor]

i still didnt understand if korea will be a releasable or its own starter

[fresh cedar]

China used to have more border wars. Basically if you boosted ideology enough in KMT as PRC, it would give states over to you

[hushed lion]

Its part of the warlord trees

[fresh cedar]

I meant near the end of the war

[quasi harbor]

because sometimes they show Korean and Japanese leaders and officers toghether

[near rune]

though I do want portraits for park and kim jong il

opps wrong one

kim il sung

[drifting star]

Baby King jong UN

*kim

[near rune]

sperm cell leading north korea

[hushed lion]

So will korea split post war?

[drifting star]

Nah the full sack

It’s the proletariat

Why should only one cell get the egg

[near rune]

maybe we get the mountain that he was born on as a leader

[fresh cedar]

UK will probably get kinda nerfed in this dlc right? Since home bases and naval range are lessened

[drifting star]

U know what just put a picture of Korea as the leader

[near rune]

yeah but they still have singapore, ceylon, malta, Alexandria, on and on and on

[quasi harbor]

No, but we will get the crib he laid on

[fresh cedar]

Right, but won’t be able to protect the entire world easily

[drifting star]

I am begging for some crazy guy messiah guy path

[near rune]

so like real life?

[drifting star]

“Revenge of the boxers “

[fresh cedar]

Taking major ports should have a greater impact now

[near rune]

of course

[fresh cedar]

Like if the UK loses a major port in Asia, they can’t just quickly swap it to. A random island

[drifting star]

Can we add a world tension tribunal ?

Like if the one who starts the war looses then we could get rid of there generals and larp

Yalta

And nummenburg

[near rune]

I doubt ports will have a fleet or ship cap on them, I think they just limit range so you could fairly easily move your base to java or something if Singapore falls

[fresh cedar]

It seemed like they would based on the dev corners

[drifting star]

Navy what’s that ?

[quasi harbor]

Would be even more epic if they fixed the port cheese exploit

[fresh cedar]

Like having major homebase ports that can accommodate large fleets would be so cool

[near rune]

I kind of hope so but at the same time I like having my entire fleet in a level one base or a major home base like scapa flow which wouldn't work anymore

[fresh cedar]

Agreed but would actually make it much more strategic

[drifting star]

I would love a tutorial on navy

Cuz I only do land and air

[near rune]

build light cruisers with lots of guns and hope the devs actually rework navy so they become less OP

everything else is dogshit

[quasi harbor]

Actually

[near rune]

besides subs if you're a melt

[quasi harbor]

Dont build ships

[fresh cedar]

Cruiser subs with guns are fun 😂

[quasi harbor]

Just kill with land and air and steal navy

[near rune]

ew

the new naval superiority system alongside the new uk ai which can somewhat defend will shaft navy learners even harder lol

no sealion for you hehe

[quasi harbor]

I think a problem with navy is heavy ships barely do anything against light ships. When in reality the existence of a Capital ship would turn any cruisers and destroyers away

[fresh cedar]

I used to always insta kill the UK as French Empire

But it’s way harder now 🙁

[near rune]

they're drastically reducing fleet sizes so that the whole IJN won't just appear to destroy like 2 destroyers you have on escort

[thick edge]

Like a battleship would just sneeze on a destroyer and it would be gone

[fresh cedar]

Logically the AI should have many small fleets. But around UK would still have large fleets

I imagine UK will focus British Isles, Mediterranean, and Singapore

[quasi harbor]

Battleships would sneeze on entire convoy taskforces and they would be gone

[near rune]

I mean not really if the bismarck or the battle off samar is anything to go by

[fresh cedar]

Torpedoes exist

[quasi harbor]

Battleships made DDs disappear way before they could get torps off. And if they did it was easy to avoid them

[near rune]

ship engines REALLY need a rework because the fastest you can get a 1936 heavy ship whilst having it somewhat decent is like 26 knots when most could do 30 minimum

[quasi harbor]

Unless you do a sneak ambush from multiple sides