latest-updates

[inland bloom]

omg hahah ofc france...

[digital pumice]

by the time they realized the scale of the ardennes breakthrough it was too late

[inland bloom]

rip

[digital pumice]

they shouldve learned from the germans

Auftragstaktik

decentralized command means faster reaction time

and quicker to exploit opportunities and openings

[inland bloom]

yea like they waited when germany was busy invading poland

[digital pumice]

they did do the saar offensive, but they only pushed a little and went back home

[inland bloom]

if they attacked then maybe germany would have been defeated faster

[inland bloom]

i have read about that but it was a small scale offensive

[digital pumice]

their entire doctrine revolved about holding the maginot

[inland bloom]

if you can call that an offensive...

[digital pumice]

and they were still haunted by ww1

they overestimated germany

and thought a full on offensive would be too costly

[inland bloom]

strange then that they didnt expand the maginot line then

[digital pumice]

some french politicians even still thought theres still room for negotiations

[digital pumice]

they did

kinda

but they couldn't fortify it enough

because they didnt wanna violate belgian neutrality

only light defenses

[inland bloom]

and this is why germany is so op in hoi4 lmao

[digital pumice]

you could say its belgiums fault

for thinking neutrality would save them

[inland bloom]

for a second time hahahah

they also didnt learn from ww1

[digital pumice]

but it didnt matter

the allies did send troops into belgium immediatly after germany attacked

little did they know the real offensive was in the ardennes

[inland bloom]

yep the 300K british troops in dunkirk then later

[digital pumice]

yeah

[inland bloom]

that was a risky move and it worked

because nobody would have expected that

[digital pumice]

you could say that

the french certainly didnt

[inland bloom]

6 weeks only...

damn

even poland did better

i think 9 weeks the polish..

[digital pumice]

germany, despite losing, did introduce an entirely new form of warfare

that is still being used to this day

combined arms warfare

you gotta give em that

[inland bloom]

that is true

and it is still improving

new they are fighting a lot with drones

[digital pumice]

modern day stukas

[inland bloom]

tanks are becoming useless

[digital pumice]

not really

they're still as terrifying to come across as an infantryman

lol

[inland bloom]

look to the ukraine-russian war

a lot of tanks on both sides are destroyed

because of drones

[digital pumice]

they still play an important role

even if its a support one

but i dont think we can discuss that

[fading walrus]

Yeah Lets stop discussing this

[inland bloom]

only for defending but still, if they are found, thea are instantly destroyed

[digital pumice]

tanks are evolving

with active protection systems

[inland bloom]

i dont wanna talk about politics, it is just an example for use of tanks and drones in combat

[digital pumice]

and they still provide important firepower

but the days of massed armored spearheads are over

they're now shifting to more of a support role

[inland bloom]

it is now more of fast tanks with a lot of equipment on it

[inland bloom]

yes

but i think later in the future, tanks will be replaced with other thinks

[digital pumice]

maybe in the far future

but not anytime close

[inland bloom]

we will see

[brittle venture]

Nah it could be born out of japanese s bombers

But not out of stukas

[brittle venture]

Yes thats how tanks wokr

Work*

They help you attack so the enemy has a tougher time dealing damage

They dont help defend

[inland bloom]

yea i know but i just mean that it is really a lot

[brittle venture]

Yeah because AT capabilities have generally always exceeded armor values

Except for very short periods of time

1939 was one of these times

The goal of a tank is not to go unpierced because thats impossible

[digital pumice]

it has definitely became WAY easier to disable a tank, or any armoured vehicle for that matter

[brittle venture]

The goal of a tank is to be either difficult to fight as enemy tanks

Or to go unpierced by infantry-based AT

[digital pumice]

or to provide support firepower for infantry

[brittle venture]

And if neither of these are possible, its role is to require the enemy to have expensive infantry based AT widely available

[brittle venture]

Im talking about tanks not spgs

Spgs are a mobile version of artillery in order to barrage entrenched positions while on the move so to say

People misinterpret tanks as meant to be these unkillable by anyone machines

[digital pumice]

tanks have slowly switched to a more support role recently

[brittle venture]

Which theyre just not

[brittle venture]

Yeah lower military budgets worldwide

[digital pumice]

as i said before, the days of massive tank spearheads are over

[inland bloom]

but not us

[digital pumice]

tanks are now fewer in number

[brittle venture]

And even a small amount of them forces the widespread expense of infantry based AT

[inland bloom]

to costly to maintain

[brittle venture]

Which for any big country is quite expensive

[digital pumice]

its because you can't hide a tank company like in ww2

[brittle venture]

You dont need a lot of them to be a threat to the entire frontline

But you do need enough of them

[digital pumice]

so big concentrations of them are useless

[brittle venture]

Still useful for attacking

But easily bombarded

You will see this playing any tactical game

Having a concentration of tanks lets you push the best but can cause massive losses from artillery

Irl they spread them out so they can be consolidated for a push locally

[digital pumice]

yeah but the thing is

tanks are way more costly today

and way fewer in number

[brittle venture]

Not particularly?

[digital pumice]

so its never worth it to concentrate them

[brittle venture]

Its always been super costly

Not in hoi4 obviously

[digital pumice]

not as costly to maintain and produce

[brittle venture]

But irl its always been a massive expense

[digital pumice]

as today

look at how the soviets and americans mass produced tanks in ww2

[brittle venture]

Anyway thats my take on the role of tanks

[digital pumice]

certainly not as costly

soviet tank plants were cranking out t-34s like they're tractors

[inland bloom]

and another reason is, if a country goes to war now, they will use air and navy more then tanks

[digital pumice]

because of how minimalistic tanks were

lack of complex systems

electronic parts

[brittle venture]

They made even more T-55s

But thats all because of fully militarized production, militarized society

Its possible in similar levels today but you cripple your industry doing so

[digital pumice]

t-55s arent modern tanks

[inland bloom]

isnt this talking about politics now?

[brittle venture]

First gen mbts

[brittle venture]

No?

Just economics

I dont think that falls under politics

Im not arguing whether anyone should or shouldnt, im just saying that it would cause a big damage to the civillian economy

And economic growth in the future

[digital pumice]

50s mbts

we're talking about advanced modern tanks

[brittle venture]

Theyre still around especially in syria

[inland bloom]

and we saw that in begin of the 90's

[digital pumice]

well syria is fighting guerillas

[brittle venture]

They look so cool tho

[digital pumice]

so anything works

[digital pumice]

true

especially the modernized ones

with the era

[brittle venture]

Just watching the old ass tanks still cared for/used is kinda wholesome

[digital pumice]

soviet mbts are beautiful imo

[inland bloom]

yea, with some upgrades they are still good

not great but good enough

'they get the job done'

[brittle venture]

This is also kind of a "debate" so to say in military theory

Would it be better to have the best tanks that are more often unpierced/undamaged or just have a large amount of cheaper older tanks

That can still work well

[inland bloom]

that depends on the numbers, how advanced they are and how/where they are used

[inland bloom]

there are a lot of factors to look at so i dont think that you can give a good answer to that

[brittle venture]

well of course

[digital pumice]

history has shown that the latter is true

as long as the cheaper old tanks can actually do stuff ofc

[brittle venture]

not particularly

some nations care more about saving manpower, it also depends on your enemy

while if you have a big manpower base tanks that are subpar might be the best for you, if you are limited on manpower especially with 21st century concription crisises you might want 'the best'

[inland bloom]

a very big crisis....

[digital pumice]

agree

also easier to maintain 1 good tank rather than 10 old ones

[robust grail]

<@&846894118219022336>

[harsh hull]

Finally, the mods killed that guy

[granite thunder]

Whats the point of making hoi5 if you already pay 140+ for hoi4

they could make an dlc or expansion to make 2 or more senarios

[digital pumice]

that would take decades

adding focus trees and tech

and content

[thick edge]

Ask the same thing with eu4/5

[fresh cedar]

For real

[shy orbit]

question is this comon im playing historical and italy started a civil war why ?

i didn't interacted with italy at all

[hollow coral]

I believe is if they cant capitualte ethiopia they get a civil war

[shy orbit]

the wierd thing that they won in africa

[thick edge]

U went alt hist

So they did too

[fresh cedar]

They genuinely can’t really be historical tbh.

[silent flame]

Any idea if the new special forces will be just forest or jungle too? Will be interesting to see how Japan plays after the dlc icl

[amber barn]

Probably forest only since we already have rangers with jungle bonuses

But if they actually also gets jungle it would be great

[silent flame]

Feel like if anything it would make more sense for them to be jungle over forest

they're meant to be like

special

forces

feels like forest would be way too broad

[amber barn]

Kinda

[silent flame]

ye no clue what this means tbh

[fresh cedar]

That’s how they do WIP art

[silent flame]

So does that mean jungle or no jungle?

[fresh cedar]

Well considering it has trees and city.

Both

[silent flame]

but it could be just forest

not jungle

[fresh cedar]

You think they’d release a new special forces for the Japanese dlc and not have it include jungle?

If that’s the case, devs are chopped

[silent flame]

Idk what to expect at this point

I just yearn for the dev diaries

[fresh cedar]

I’m guessing they’ll benefit all forest types and jungles. Probably emphasis on supply if I had to guess

Idk how they’ll be different from marines or mountaineers

[silent flame]

just seems a bit too broad to cover forest, city, jungle, and then some supply stuff

[fresh cedar]

Aren’t rangers more of support units that fill gaps as needed?

Like carrying out specific tasks to round a division better

Idk

It’s so WIP it’s almost not worth speculating ig

[silent flame]

but this is going to be a separate troop type right?

Like mountaineer/marine/para

[silent flame]

ye true

will find out on Thursday

[fresh cedar]

@silent flame

[silent flame]

W

[stuck gate]

Today there will be a dev diary??

[maiden sierra]

Thursday

[fresh cedar]

The dates are subject to change

So who knows, may not see any of it for months 😂

[trim quartz]

Oh my, what’s this?

[fresh cedar]

What do you mean?

It says what it is 💀

[pseudo thorn]

1941---2002💀

[simple owl]

Hydrodynamics, Thermodynamics, Aerohydronynamics.......

are they making minecraft update

[fresh cedar]

Those already passed. They talked about Navy (Hydro), coal (Thermo) and changes to island air base sizes/carrier changes (Aero)

Just was developer diaries relating to branches of Physics.

If you read them it makes more sense

[pseudo wing]

you caught me, we're making a Nether update

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

(obvious /s, as needed for some people)

[fresh cedar]

Funnily enough, there is a thing called Minecraft in the game relating to sea mines 😂

[fresh cedar]

Oh so magma generators confirmed?

[pseudo wing]

Tripling the amount of Ghasts and explosions make you lose inventory slots

I'm evil

[inland bloom]

😭

[fresh cedar]

RlCraft in a nutshell

[polar jasper]

Unhappy Ghasts, regular ghasts but they make you even more unhappy

[fresh cedar]

Hate that modpack

[inland bloom]

why?

[fresh cedar]

Have you tried RL Craft?

It’s insufferable 😭

Freeze to death in winter, burn to death in summer. Dragons every 500 blocks that nuke the map. Mobs spawn in from just mining or farming anything.

[pseudo wing]

(It's pretty bad lol)

[inland bloom]

yes but didnt like it

[fresh cedar]

Genuinely the worst modpack for anything I ever played lol

[inland bloom]

i am always killed by dragons

[fresh cedar]

They’re scary 😭

[fading walrus]

Yeah its ass

[inland bloom]

they have some cool stuff but just to difficult

[fading walrus]

Im gonna need a dinosaur modpack

[fresh cedar]

The leveling and skill points was cool. Maybe some weapons crafting

[fading walrus]

Where you can tame and ride them and shit

[fresh cedar]

Would be dope

[fading walrus]

Basically ark survival in Minecraft

Without the guns

[fresh cedar]

Pretty sure there was a sci fi/fantasy book series where dinosaurs were brought back and used in war.

Would be a neat mod

T Rex special project 😤

[fading walrus]

No I mean you can find dinosaurs in the wild

In the mod

[fresh cedar]

Oh yeah ik

I meant for HOI4 would be cool too lol

[brittle venture]

New vanilla update

Dinosaur special projects

To give your infantry new armor or something

[fresh cedar]

Just replaces the elephant with a T Rex

God knows it has the damage of one

[brittle venture]

@developers can you get on this

[fresh cedar]

Surprised they don’t have polar bear divisions tbh

[brittle venture]

Thats gonna come with the (ant) arctic update

[fresh cedar]

😭

[pseudo wing]

I've suggested it before but I was told I was stinky for suggesting it

[fresh cedar]

Like a special bear support unit for Poland which is basically logistics but with a bear

[brittle venture]

Dw chak ill back you up

[pseudo wing]

that'll be even worse, then they'll think Casey wants it too!!

I am still arguing there should be moose models for canadian cavalry

i am unsuccessful..... for now

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-back-you-up-whatever-you-decide-wallace-boden-chicago-fire-i-got-you-i-got-your-back-gif-21167913

casey right now

[fresh cedar]

Has Canada ever used moose? 😂

[pseudo wing]

Both Canada and I believe sweden or finland experimented with them

[thick hedge]

There was a pretty good mod in 1.21, forgot the name

[simple owl]

Are there any up-to-date mods that fixes or counters late game messery?

weak, unstandardised divisions spam and stuff like that

[devout valley]

Look into the spot mods

[hollow lion]

nope

FPS map and debug_smooth are the only worthwhile performance things to consider afaik

[brittle venture]

Just find the ones that delete nations

Limiting divisions isnt the main factor

[maiden sierra]

Optimization++ is my favorite, it allows you to freely delete nations and never goes out of date

I notice a significant performance improvement from deleting Central America and the Caribbean, as well as various other countries with no game impact

[trim quartz]

Lord Mountbatten is in the game files, but where is he in the game itself?

He isn’t any sort of admiral from what I’ve found

[hollow coral]

Iirc you can choose him to be the leader of india through an event

Choice between gandhi nehru and mountbatten

Also ive answered this question for you before😅

[trim quartz]

Have you? My bad then lol

[plucky sky]

big lord mountabatten fan?

irl he was the original prince andrew

[stable tusk]

I HATE MOUNTBATTEN
He knew Dieppe wasn't winnable and yet he instead of retreating he sent in more troops (mostly Canadian) and he ended up getting a promotion and sent to India for what he called a "victory"

[hexed mango]

This changed...

[trim quartz]

Very much so. I love the man

[plucky sky]

oof

[fresh cedar]

I don’t believe they’ve shown the special forces tab yet again

[mellow laurel]

Hmm

[plucky sky]

wasn't that nice a guy

whoops deleting that because of rule 2

[plucky sky]

not going to discuss on here but I suggest looking up recent scholarship on lord mountabatten

[trim quartz]

Loose allegations

[fresh cedar]

When it’s comes to colonial British admins, they seldom are loose.

[hexed mango]

Idk how they going to cram all the info in just a few dds

[hexed mango]

Here we see 10 more dev diaries and now we only got like 7 left and we just got some vague information on ships and planes and on factions wirh literally 0 dev diaries on any focus at all

[brittle venture]

There were dev corners on them

Not diaries

Diaries are later

[hexed mango]

Damn

[brittle venture]

They were in #hearts-of-iron-news

[hexed mango]

In my mind they were the same thing but yourighr

[brittle venture]

Just scroll up

[silent flame]

Is there any way of assigning cas to specific battles? For example, if I'm trying to pin one tile and encircle with other troops, it would be great to add priority to the actual attack and not to the pinning attack for CAS. is that something that is currently doable?

[brittle venture]

No

[silent flame]

Shame would be cool to have a little button if you click on the bubble which gives priority to that specific battle for CAS

[fresh cedar]

Dlc prob releasing November or December

[floral anvil]

We need a HoI5

[stable tusk]

New dev corner tomorrow! Yippee!

[dire coyote]

this has to be china/japan

ea/sea

[hollow coral]

I mean its literally confirmed

[long ibex]

Another change? Where they had update it? In my mobile I have 5 different versions of this schedule 😂

And what will be "player fantasy"? 🧐

[dire coyote]

`it is?

[hollow coral]

For a while yes

[upper night]

Isn't that WW2 just not following history

[mental onyx]

dev corner jumpscare

[hexed mango]

A dev corner this early in the day?

Never heard of before...

[winter tartan]

The new china map

[mental onyx]

finally, accurate tibet map

[dense veldt]

damn, historically accurate china

looks like the far east asia update is finally coming into fruition

ma's in three pieces now

[winter tartan]

Is China controlling Qingdao for gameplay reasons or is it historically accurate?

[mental onyx]

rip skibidi san ma

[dense veldt]

i dunno, i ain't no chinese historian

[winter tartan]

Also, finally Korea confirmed

[dense veldt]

mao's domain looks smaller tho

[winter tartan]

It is explained in the dev diary, he didn't control Yanan

Ma Zhongying path?

[dense veldt]

hold up, if we have playable occupied korea as a puppet, that means there's a north korea path

[wary nymph]

nice, one mongol focus tree please

[winter tartan]

Not necessarily. It could be like playable Kuwait

[dense veldt]

would be funny though if you could make a early DPRK

WAIT A MINUTE MAO DOESN'T START IN CHARGE OF THE CCP!?

[lethal pelican]

No

[trim quartz]

Literally foaming at the mouth rn this is so awesome

[dense veldt]

my boy mao's been locked behind a balance of power system, smh

[sacred mica]

mongolia getting an update??

cuz theyre name got changed

[wary nymph]

inner Mongolian states also got added

[severe canyon]

Tweaking man for asia

I'm tweaking

[dense veldt]

imagine mongolia gets a secret path where the baron comes back into power-
oh wait, the soviets shot that guy, didn't they?

[sacred mica]

they nerfed ma bufang

what will i do

[severe canyon]

Yes

Surprised that ma is three seperate states rather then being one focus tree with three different family members

[dense veldt]

still, mongol empire path would be fun as hell, would make one hell of an achievement.

[tough pier]

Can we get this for the Soviets as well pls

[wary nymph]

yuan empire path 🙏

[sacred mica]

100% secret path

for roman

whateverh is name is

[wary nymph]

von urgen

or smth

[winter tartan]

No new focus trees for warlords, only rework of the existing one

[dense veldt]

The Khan has returned: Starting as mongolia, restore the mongol empire at it's extent before 1945

[sacred mica]

hopefully thats a tree

[winter tartan]

The children don't smile

[dense veldt]

didn't the soviet shoot him?

[wary nymph]

ye

[winter tartan]

The man is dead

[sacred mica]

ik but i still want a neo mongol tree

[dense veldt]

as i mentioned earlier, an achivement for forming the mongol empire at it's extent before 1945 would be insane

[winter tartan]

Don't give them ideas

[sacred mica]

they prob will anyways

[winter tartan]

I would be happy with the warlords getting playable mechanics rather than how all of this is done today

[dense veldt]

yk they made many of the newer formables pretty op, like how the east india company can buy and core the whole world

[severe canyon]

American lend lease to Soviets weren't as essential maybe?

[sacred mica]

hopefully a unique path for shen shicai

[dense veldt]

I also like how the CCP can infiltrate provinces to flip for them and sabotage the enemy in a real troll moment

[sacred mica]

executing mao zedong's brother

[winter tartan]

There aren't warlord paths, alas

[sacred mica]

damn

[dense veldt]

tannu tuva and meninjang path?

[severe canyon]

Wha really?

No warlord paths?

That sucks.

[sacred mica]

trust shen shicai is more than a warlord

he is a way of life

[brittle venture]

Not revealed

[severe canyon]

Oh

[brittle venture]

Obviously getting updated

[winter tartan]

It has been confirmed in the comments

[severe canyon]

Ah good

[sacred mica]

i just wanna execute mao's brother

[severe canyon]

Man

[brittle venture]

Yeah kinda obvious imo

[severe canyon]

That sucks

No warlord paths

[brittle venture]

New map btw

[sacred mica]

is there gonna be an event for the future of xinjiang

[winter tartan]

I want warlords to be made fun to play

[brittle venture]

There will prob be new warlord stuff in the future tho

[sacred mica]

cuz the nationalists get pushed out in 1937

[brittle venture]

Just not in this post

[sacred mica]

by shen shicai

[winter tartan]

Like, an actually good limited wars mechanic could be very fun

[dense veldt]

Here's a fun achivement idea: As Mengjiang, take over all of mongolia. "The True Mongolia, inside and out."

[brittle venture]

Bro theyre just saying

No, individual warlords dont get a tree

But theyre gonna change the warlord shared tree

[winter tartan]

I am not talking about a tree

[winter tartan]

Just mechanics

[sacred mica]

not only does ma bufang get nerfed, he also doesnt get a tree

[dense veldt]

they got the sichuan clique, hope they give out some good sauce.

ik it's really called sechzuan sauce or smth, but it sounds pretty familiar

[winter tartan]

I like very much how Kaiserreich did China.

[winter tartan]

I am not asking for the same amount of work, which is a lot, but something that makes the game actually something comparable to the mod done by people on their free time

[wary nymph]

will there be for Yunnan to separate themselves from china and form new Dali Kingdom?

[dense veldt]

pickle rick~!

[sacred mica]

no

warlord

focus

[wary nymph]

rip

[sacred mica]

tress

[winter tartan]

Unlikely, although Sinkiang has already a formable

[sacred mica]

sadly

[dense veldt]

Long Nan's wish: Unite China as Yunnan without joining a faction.

[winter tartan]

Idk if that's doable unless you put some kind of limitation to the number of divisions

[dense veldt]

hey, who knows what wacky achivements paradox will cook up

[winter tartan]

Before 1950, anyway

[dense veldt]

plus it's more formables for hollowbeing to suffer through

[sacred mica]

hopefully a yuan keding china path

[winter tartan]

Now, imagine if you could form temporary alliances with other warlords to eat another one

[sacred mica]

to create the chinese empire

[brisk patrol]

no indochina 😔

[sacred mica]

posthumously after yuan shikai died

[winter tartan]

Like, the three ma brothers teaming up to beat Xian or Sinkiang

[sacred mica]

i want yuan keding path for china pls

[dense veldt]

indochina is probably for the SEA dlc, with a ho chin minh path and an achievement to inflict a certain amount of casualties to the americans or another major power.

[brisk patrol]

has there been a SEA dlc teased?

[winter tartan]

Defend against the Japanese and kill 800k americans

[winter tartan]

Trivial considering you have like all the rubber

[dense veldt]

and make it where you have to do it as communist vietnam without joining a faction.

[winter tartan]

In a Vietnam game you should be able to easily get like 3000 planes by 1943

[brisk patrol]

max landforts everywhere

[dense veldt]

then as communist vietnam you can really make the dominos fall and convert the rest of SEA to communism and make a mega formable out of it.

[tiny folio]

Maybe there should be also added where Generals would switch sides since there were KMT Generals who switched allegiance.

[severe canyon]

Paradox doing the bare minimum as usual

If they don't add a path for every single warlord that existed

Are they really good game developers?

[dense veldt]

or better yet as communist vietnam, make the final domino fall and control washington dc

[winter tartan]

I do really wish they put some effort on the warlords. They are meant to be a non negligible force, and a wildcard too

[severe canyon]

My opinion too

[winter tartan]

Not like in the current game state

[severe canyon]

Xinjiang, the Ma, and Guangxi are actually very interesting

[brittle venture]

Thats a ton of research, balancing

[cosmic stag]

hello casey

[brittle venture]

Hi marko

[winter tartan]

Kaiserreich did it for free, and not even being a full-time job

[brisk patrol]

They drew blood first, not me. (Rambo reference)
As Communist Vietnam, invade and capture California

[winter tartan]

I am not asking for a Germany-like tree. Just something not generic

[brittle venture]

Kr doesnt even have localization

[winter tartan]

Anyway, I have high expectations on the chairman Wang tree

[severe canyon]

Joke

[brittle venture]

Its also an ahist and bloated mod

[brisk patrol]

ROC Achievment
I'll be back. (Terminator Reference)
Invade Taiwan as Republic of China and lose the mainland to Communist China

[severe canyon]

Calling any hoi4 mod bloated should be a crime

[brittle venture]

?

Im in the kr tournament rn i'd know 😭

Its like mega powerful production and crazy unbalanced in many ways

[hollow coral]

YES CHINESE EARLY LOOK

[cold gale]

Nah ya need the reverse too

[brisk patrol]

that'd be interesting but I cant think of a name

[hollow coral]

shouldve used this as the reference for chiangs portrait though but still very cool

[brisk patrol]

looks like this but different expression

[hollow coral]

probably a different photo

definitely this

and they bring back balance of power!!

[brisk patrol]

original chiang kai shek vanilla

definitely an upgrade my lord

[hollow coral]

the chinese century is here

[dense veldt]

Achievement Idea:
"I brought a surgeon, Lt. Han!" (obvious meme reference)
As America, send a unit with a field hospital support company as a volunteer to China.

[brisk patrol]

oh yeah definitely

[hollow coral]

wonder if they would do an empire of china path for the roc

[hollow coral]

and communists are finally represented as the chinese soviet republic

[dire coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-i-used-to-pray-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares-dreams-and-nightmares-michael-jordan-gif-4600240804856944817

china my beloved

[brisk patrol]

i hope for postwar content so that with a future usa dlc the late 1940s or early 1950s can have somewhat interesting content

USA occupied China puppet...

[digital pumice]

I was right we got more warlords

Also independent korea

[winter tartan]

"independent"

[brisk patrol]

i hope for a cored annexation path of korea and a democratic faction with korea

[hollow coral]

this is from what i can gather

path on the right is probably industrial

[brisk patrol]

looks like economy on the right for me

looks like agrarian stuff with grass/crops and water

[hollow coral]

but i do hope that there is a shared tree for all chinese states for the war of resistance

[brisk patrol]

and a sky in the background

[winter tartan]

panasianist china?

[hollow coral]

thats possible for every china

tbh

[winter tartan]

Was there some schizo in the PRC that wanted that?

[brisk patrol]

One china policy and something else with ROC?

[hollow coral]

spread communism probably

but i doubt someone wanted to conquer asia

[winter tartan]

Influence areas?

[hollow coral]

roc on the other hand...

still very simplified but it gets the job done

[brittle venture]

A lot better than the current version

[digital pumice]

😭

[brittle venture]

Imo its kinda beautiful

[digital pumice]

Reminds me of bice china

[winter tartan]

It is much better than the current thing. And kind of what you can expect

[brisk patrol]

look at the far right, probably air

[digital pumice]

No more skibidi san ma 🙏

[fast fiber]

Stfu

[brittle venture]

Now as a new formable

[hollow coral]

theres still 3 ma's

[brittle venture]

4

[digital pumice]

Its an isp reference

[fast fiber]

Yeah idgaf

[hollow coral]

khotan ma 💯

[fast fiber]

No brain rot

[dire coyote]

hope theres alot more content for post japan war

[brisk patrol]

this is interesting for the communist china path?

[brittle venture]

No, i hope they add 0 content

[brisk patrol]

early sino soviet split?

[brittle venture]

Lock focus treea to 360 day focuses

[hollow coral]

is it a mutually exclusive path?

[dire coyote]

?

why

[brisk patrol]

oh wait you can have both, but under you must choose

[brittle venture]

Easier to do the correct focuses

[dire coyote]

i dont think a newbie is gonna be playing china much

[hollow coral]

my home province is finally represented🔥

[brittle venture]

Google population of china

[brisk patrol]

USA ships or soviet tanks...? Im certain on USA but not about soviets

[dire coyote]

hoi4 is banned there

[brittle venture]

No it isnt

I think waking the tiger was banned

But the base game never was

[hollow coral]

im pretty sure its banned but you can easily buy it

[fast fiber]

What did wtt add again?

[hollow coral]

china

[fast fiber]

Thought so

[brittle venture]

China, germany, japan

[brisk patrol]

somebody wasn't here for the indian china focus tree incident

[hollow coral]

i dont associate with those people

[dire coyote]

when was this

[hollow coral]

during GOE dev diaries

[brisk patrol]

I think it was the silk road teaser where india annexs tibet and chinese players got really mad and review bombed the game HARD and all of paradoxs other games

[dire coyote]

o

i quit like late 2022

because singleplayer got boring nad multiplayer english speaking games got boring because it was the same dipshits hosting everytime

i only just came back

[brisk patrol]

wow I got into this game late 2023

welcome back

the game has gotten very well needed dlcs with a very well needed wallet to get them

[dire coyote]

played since 2018 before that

[hollow coral]

im giving paradox my bank details rn

[brisk patrol]

I don't know where you blokes come from but its so sad having such a useless home nation in hoi4

look at my focus tree man

[hollow coral]

casey would say otherwise

but i agree

[dire coyote]

deadass just the generic focus tree 😂

[brittle venture]

Wdym

Ireland doesnt have content but neither the generic tree is that bad nor do i believe europe should be priority forever

[brisk patrol]

they could atleast give new zealand agrarian -5% / -10% consumer goods for the rest of the empire...

[brittle venture]

Its fine to want it updated from generic

[cosmic stag]

we need a update that adds new REAL LIFE units and templates

[brisk patrol]

Fonterra Co-operative Group Limited is a New Zealand multinational publicly traded dairy co-operative owned by New Zealand farmers.[8] The company is responsible for approximately 30% of the world's dairy exports

[winter tartan]

What do you mean, it is just perfect. You have the magnificent bob semple, and can get a great tank division with New Zealand's manpower

[brisk patrol]

actually its goated they gave us the super bob semple

[dire coyote]

lowk still waiting siam focus tree

[winter tartan]

This could get up to 24km/h

[hollow coral]

just delete all tfv focuses

[brisk patrol]

70 day focus tree just to become a japanese puppet

[brisk patrol]

Only one went to the Pacific in 1944, after having its armour stripped. It is possible that the Bob Semple tank could have been potentially useful in battle, as it was planned to have a 37 mm anti-tank gun rather than the Bren gun in the turret; the armour was also bullet-resistant to some degree, so it might have been at least somewhat effective in the event of an invasion.

thanks wiki

to be fair the british said "no" to our pleas for vehicles to defend ourselves from the japanese

and no one else was cooking up any ideas

[dire coyote]

im glad curtain was able to piss churchill off

to keep troops on home soil

[brisk patrol]

no one talks about our other tank

[hollow coral]

thats just a shed on a tractor

[brisk patrol]

on a chevrolet truck actually

72km/h 💪

[twilit jolt]

it's missing a thing or two but seems accurate enough unless you go hyperspecific

[digital pumice]

Nz focus tree is peak

[twilit jolt]

Kumul Khanate ceased existing by '36, so that only really leaves 2 other entities (Xikang Sichuan and Hebei-Chahar Council) and a big maybe on one more (Guizhou) because of scarce sources of its end

[hollow coral]

they were basically under the central government or other warlords anyways

[twilit jolt]

while that could be true for Guizhou, afaik for Xikang Sichuan it was left out once Liu Xiang died and Sichuan was taken over by the Central Government

[long ibex]

Land Raids!! New mechanic to all countries or only China?

[twilit jolt]

as for Hebei-Chahar, it was autonomous from the Central Government to avoid sparking conflict with the Japanese but sided with Chiang by 1937 anyway

[twilit jolt]

if it had existed, I could see a tug of war between China and Japan to align it with one another since it'd be the one holding Beijing at the start

[vast shore]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/chinas-war-from-resistance-to-liberation.1855764/

WE ARE SO BACK

[long ibex]

Chinese Civil War seems a free rework.

Probably late game phase (unified China) would be DLC content

[vast shore]

Im thinking

probably the less relevant warlords

as a country pack

like South America or Grave Yard of Empires

[winter tartan]

Manchukuo rework

Confirmed

[robust grail]

250 guns? really?

[brittle venture]

Nah usually its hist free ahist paid

[brittle venture]

Its not that bad its meant to be a small raid

Tbh 250 guns in an irl raid would be pretty big

But it wont break the banks

[jolly wasp]

we NEED a tibetan focus tree

you can't have a new china dlc without tibet

[robust grail]

but 30% damage of raid unit?

[brittle venture]

Cant raid units be tiny?

2 width or whatever

[robust grail]

no, i think this is the main point of these raid\

[brittle venture]

No thats not a raid

Thats infiltration

Infiltration = on map decision in decisions tab

Raid = strategic value like the resource bomb raids

In this case the value is getting equipment + damaging supply

[robust grail]

then i think we really need to make these raid more impactful.

[brittle venture]

Most in game raids are ehhh

If every warlord can do these raids its busted AF

And japan cant have a game

If its only the communists its like whatever

Free artillery

[dire coyote]

historical ai and youjll be spammed with it

like when u put hist ai and they all take control of main china

[brittle venture]

No like imagine 10 warlords spamming one of those raids every 2 months or so

2.5K guns every 2 months gone

[robust grail]

yeah, that is the reason, these raid should be a new way to add game impact for PRC. Also it can be a nice way for PRC to balance with ROC foreign support in later game.

[brittle venture]

More like

I dont think its meant to be that shockingly strong

[robust grail]

warlord will get annex through the war, if i understand correctly.

[brittle venture]

Slowly

Raids are pre war anyway

For when youre at peace you can instigate and steal japanese weapons to prep

Not a dev just like their vision from what im guessing

Like as prc you want japan to go to war with the kmt to weaken them

Or you want them to retreat

I think thats why youre instigating lore wise

[low mountain]

independent korea 🥹❤️‍🩹🌹

[devout valley]

I don't think they will let warlords just do that

You will probably have to do a focus

And warlords will get it only if they change their focus tree

[maiden sierra]

I just hope this means content, I don't see the point in releasing all the colonies as puppets when they were effectively ruled as part of their overlord. Unless it is a player choice, of course

[near rune]

I’m pretty sure that the Japanese territories in china are also puppets, if you zoom in it appears to say ‘Japanese china’

Maybe I’m schizo though

[devout valley]

Yeah they are

But it's not Japanese China, it's manchukuo

It even has a unique focus tree

[maiden sierra]

I believe it says Japanese empire

He means East Hebei

[low mountain]

I'm gonna bet that it's gonna be like Congo content with a shared focus and focusing on building independence

maybe korean war or something like that if it's long enough

[dire coyote]

icl manchuko focus tree atm rn is pre alright

[maiden sierra]

The Congo content is some of the most well done content in the game

[dire coyote]

for how the rest of china focus trees are

imo its like

2nd best

[digital pumice]

I dont think ai warlords will be spamming them as much

[devout valley]

But takes too long and finishes too quickly

If you get what I mean

[digital pumice]

Look at how rarely ai uses raids now

[devout valley]

Well you need special projects for a lot of raide

Which ai doesn't do

[maiden sierra]

The AI uses the raids often, just not the right targets. They target special facilities but should be targeting oil fields

[digital pumice]

They have spec ops and bombers but rarely use them in raids

[devout valley]

Do you perchance have air superiority over where they could do raids?

I think if they have low superiority they don't do it

[brittle venture]

No but just saying

You cant hand out these things so easily cuz it can so easily become broken

An insignificant niche is usually better where it can be useful but likely isnt

[devout valley]

Easy fix would be to only give to 🇨🇳and 🇹🇼 , while warlords don't get it unless they switch focus tree to one of these

[ancient glacier]

For the sake of all of China we must unite to end this century of humiliation!
Wooo!!! New China rework in Hoi4!!!!

[devout valley]

They changed megkuko name

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ellipsis-bust-lord-have-mercy-gif-5606625988103215611

[fresh cedar]

And like every border lol

Way better map of China tbh

[devout valley]

So many warlords

I can feel the divisions pumping up

And extra lag

[maiden sierra]

Finally a reason to invade Hainan and the south

PDX generally improves performance to keep it the same even with added features and nations

[fresh cedar]

Prob would have weaker warlords with less industry though

Korea confirmed

Hopefully it has content and isn’t like Kuwait

[fading walrus]

Called it

[devout valley]

Yeah I saw this, I asked in forums if it will get content

[fresh cedar]

It has to in the next expansion pass

I’d be shook if it didn’t

[devout valley]

They also said warlords won't get new focus tree, only tweaks to it

[fresh cedar]

Tbh they’re in a much better place than they were so a decent tweak would make em fine

Hope they are slightly different from one another.

[twilit jolt]

Cooperation with the Nationalists gets you stuck in a purgatory while you try to get the favour to takeover

Cooperation with Communists literally cannot be done unless you border Shaanxi

Which only really leaves Opposition as a viable path

[fresh cedar]

Which I think they intended to give flavor by limiting what each can do. But in reality it feels very limiting

[cold gale]

There’s also this

[dark current]

will navy be updated

god please I need navy to be updated

[fresh cedar]

I saw that too. I think they’ve been pretty clear this would be the focus yeah

[twilit jolt]

KMT alignment should be quicker now with more warlords but you'll still get slapped with -500 pp lol

[cold gale]

I feel like China Japan dlc maybe first then some sort of Pacific Overhaul, not sure on specific nations though

[dark current]

no I want the two in one package

if they just sell mtg again I shoot myself

istg

[maiden sierra]

KMT alignment and integration will be tied into the new faction system as per the dev corner

[fresh cedar]

China will either be its own country pack. While Japan and Southeast Asia are the main dlc. Or Japan and China while Southeast Asia is its own dlc

[cold gale]

If they do a Southeast Asia dlc, would be pretty accurate that DEI, Phillippines, Burma, Indochina all get trees

[fresh cedar]

Not Malaysia?

[cold gale]

I forgot about that

[fresh cedar]

Singapore is cracked

[dull minnow]

Am I going crazy or is Korea a ever so slighty different color from japan?

[thick edge]

Why was this one so early

[cold gale]

I can guess after that is the CANZUS rework or something because it’s kinda weird that there isn’t a raid type specifically for Pearl Harbor unless it’s going to be a focus then, would make sense…

[fresh cedar]

Tbh Siam would be good too

[cold gale]

It does need content, one of the East Asian countries that did something but got nothing

[dull minnow]

FINALLY, though I wonder how they're gonna do it

[fresh cedar]

So it doesn’t need content because it didn’t expand? I’m confused

This could apply to like dozens of countries that got content lol

[cold gale]

Nono I’m saying it did something, but it got nothing in return for content wise

[fresh cedar]

Oooh

[cold gale]

Like Japan China got reworks, India got reworked, but nothing for indochina or south east Asia…

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I’d be good with just Phillipines, Siam, Indonesia and Malaysia as a country pack

But obviously want more

[twilit jolt]

It was already the case, they just released it

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s weird

[cold gale]

Would be cool to see the oceanic countries get something (Australia and New Zealand)

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[cold gale]

Though it kinda beats purpose of a dlc for commonwealth rework, but who knows what’ll happen

[fresh cedar]

And would like if Australia and New Zealand actually kept their troops in Asia lol

Fighting in the relevant theaters

[cold gale]

Cuz we maybe able to see a USA Mexico Canada then Central America + Caribbean Shared focuses or something along the lines, but America really needs overhaul from 6-7 years ago

[pseudo wing]

sooooo, how we feelin' about the latest Dev Cornerrrr

[fresh cedar]

United States of North America would go hard

[cold gale]

I really wanna post a “China” gif just because of how it is lol

[fresh cedar]

Dank

[brittle venture]

Does this imply japan can choose or is it just some dynasty name

[cold gale]

United States of Greater America would go hard, but wouldn’t that be just Canada annexing USA and becoming dominion of America then democratic?

[fresh cedar]

It’s just like a collab govt similar to Kuwait

Pray it gets content

[brittle venture]

Still strategizing on how to get remote emote perms on this server...

[cold gale]

[brittle venture]

Regardless the dlc looks cool so far

[fresh cedar]

Would just rather a greater Canada that cores New England and Alaska

[brittle venture]

Yeah they said it will

[brittle venture]

No?

Government general of chosen

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I thought Palestine/Jordan were gonna get content

[brittle venture]

I think it means you can choose their general in charge idk

[fresh cedar]

So I’m not having high hopes

[pseudo wing]

I'm afraid that won't work, I am evil after all

[fresh cedar]

Possible I suppose

[brittle venture]

Moving to sweden rn

[fresh cedar]

He’s quebecois

[pseudo wing]

good luck, I'm not even in sweden

[twilit jolt]

Nah that's because it was ruled by a General-Governor

[brittle venture]

You can get hired outside sweden big

[cold gale]

Nah just get it to core all northern states alongside Oregon (don’t forget, Britain held Oregon for sake of making USA pissed due to manifest destiny, idk how accurate it is but that’s a history joke)

[brittle venture]

Yeah but is chosen like a korean name or is it english for debug/unset

[twilit jolt]

Joseon in Japanese

Kingdom of Joseon was what preceded the unrecognised Korean Empire

[thick edge]

Same for Idaho and Washington state I think

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if Korea existing will be some of the first true post WW2 content in the form of the Korean War

Atleast on historical

[twilit jolt]

Game font doesn't support the character for Chōsen so they just used regular o

[brittle venture]

Nk calls itself joseon too

[fresh cedar]

I imagine the Allie’s Will shift from eradicating fascism to containment late game

[cold gale]

You’re correct

[twilit jolt]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Canada will be a speed bump for the US 95/100 times anyways but would be neat to have that goal as Canada lol

[cosmic falcon]

I wonder if Korea will have its own focus tree.

[cold gale]

Belgium of the Americas? or is that Panama… troll (would be cool to have that emoji here)

[twilit jolt]

This really is the case btw because I found it out when making my first mod that was a Korean focus tree lol

[fresh cedar]

Most likely

[twilit jolt]

Map font supports it but focus tree font doesn't

[cold gale]

There should be some map font modifications to support it, or just use mods if game can’t generate it right

[fresh cedar]

Chak is it me or did the devs not really reply on this forum?

I saw PDX_Per did

[pseudo wing]

Per is doing the replies this go around, but the answers are from the devs, its just Per posting the answers

[vast shore]

HEY

I KNEW I KNEW YOU

[brittle venture]

You dont know me

It was a different me

[vast shore]

Nuh uh

Blown a fish cult member

[vast shore]

would be fun

They should do it against each other

Imagine a 15 man china game

[brittle venture]

Terrific

[vast shore]

Genuinely

I look forward to kt

I'll probably host China/Asia only lobbied

[brittle venture]

well like

The issue is

Good players will unify china fast regardless

And if you get a bunch of like bozos to play the warlords (like real life!!) its just so painful to do anything xd

[drifting star]

Actually fire

[fading walrus]

A beautiful mess

Which is what I wanted

[civic vine]

new china lookin spicy

I can't wait to see the chinese thunder dome every non hist game I walk into 😂

[low plover]

https://tenor.com/view/great-leader-geyizemo-new-republic-of-china-geyizemo-great-geyizemo-great-leader-gif-4657286775029111270

It's gonna be great!!!

[fading walrus]

Hopefully it will be

[civic vine]

looking forward to seeing what other changes happen in the region. praying we still see something for Siam and Philippines

[low plover]

My fiancé plays 4x games, and she promised to play Hoi4 if they add Siam focus tree

So please

[civic vine]

🙏

xibei san ma doesn't exist anymore, wondering which of the countries in the region will get the warlord focus tree then. I know in the comments they said they don't plan on adding more trees but rather changing the existing ones.

[low plover]

Indeed!

[inland bloom]

the china focus will be legendary + with all the new warlords there will be a lot of china runs 🫡

[civic vine]

man I am looking forward to no longer having to deal with the supply desert in the eastern chinese region that's for sure 😂

[boreal elk]

and indonesia if we r lucky

[civic vine]

TRUE!

[maiden sierra]

They will all get the warlord tree

[civic vine]

From what I read in the comments they are not actually

[maiden sierra]

They're not adding new trees, but I presume they will give the old one to the new warlords

[civic vine]

oh yeah with the phrasing you're right they might. they also said they're gonna add a few things so we'll see.

looks fun though

[maiden sierra]

All warlords have the same tree anyways, which is weaker than the generic tree

[lethal folio]

Pretty disappointed tbh

This looks like a half assed dlc

[civic vine]

Why?

I feel like they haven’t even shown much in depth about the region yet only that they’re adding a bunch of new warlords. You can’t assume that it’s half assed we don’t even know what the warlords are gonna get lol

[lethal folio]

Because i predict that the focuses for warlords will be aussa style and that korea wont get any focuses

I want decent content for every country they add otherwise it doesn't worth my money

And i don't have a problem of giving more money if the dlc is actually good

[civic vine]

Meh I don’t think it’ll be as bad as you think. Every Chinese warlord will probably have similar focus trees that’s how it was before too. But this isn’t a DLC all about China it’s suppose to include Japan and the pacific war. Can’t reason out that the focus is all entirely in China.

[maiden sierra]

Who cares about a warlord tree anyways, as long as the Japan and China trees are good

[lethal folio]

I didn't say that this should be china dlc but since they bother reworking china they should make a good job not like battle for the Bosporus like greece and turkey

[civic vine]

The fact that they even added these countries IMO is better than them just not adding anything to the region at all and only focusing on China and Japan.

[winter tartan]

I also think the warlords current focus tree is unimaginative. A game as Shandong should have nothing to do with a game as Sinkiang

I hope the new warlord generic tree is at least fun to play.

[devout valley]

They said they aren't going to do much there

[civic vine]

I’m assuming it’ll just be the exact same generic focus tree for each one and then when you complete it and unlock the next tree that’s where the subtle changes will probably be.

Would make the most sense, there’s probably not enough significant history in all these countries to make full fledged focus trees for them

[winter tartan]

Well, there is a difference between "just added a few resource focuses to make playing Gansu playable" to "we are expanding the focus tree providing some flavour for each country "

Idk, if you are playing Guanxi and are opposing the central KMT, try to take over launching "the second northern expedition"

Or make Tunganistan and Sinkiang fight each other in a timed war so the winner takes over the whole disputed territory in 36

[wise oxide]

what about these lil guys

what is the most accurate chinese warlord map

[brittle venture]

Yours isnt cuz it has xibei san ma

Regardless they only let bigger warlords into the map

Or itd look like BICE

The reason qingdao isnt part of shangdong clique is for german qingdao focuses/events

[twilit jolt]

I wonder if Japan has decisions to form puppets while fighting

[wise oxide]

im ok with the paradox one because most of them had low legitemacy or are just integrated puppets or get annexed early

[wise oxide]

reorganized goverment of china is pretty likely

[twilit jolt]

it's a merger of multiple other puppet governments

[wise oxide]

i know but i dont think they will add them all

[twilit jolt]

[brittle venture]

Hibei-chahar will prob exist in state modifiers

Just like xikang

But just not as tag

Is my theory*

[tepid totem]

finally warlords will look merely accurate and not that slop we used to have before???

this is an historic day for pardox

time to make a 2nd china dlc for all the changings obviously

[wise oxide]

we will see

thank god we are getting important country dlc instead of central america dlc

[tepid totem]

lets make another dlc for all the trash work they did on the dlc that was meant to "rework" those countries

[tepid totem]

china already had its dlc, along with japan and i think germany too

waking the tiger

[wise oxide]

ik

[tepid totem]

they are basically making another dlc again

for the slop they did with waking the tiher

[wise oxide]

the old dlcs are so bad glorified generic trees usa tree is still one of the worst

[tepid totem]

so we have to pay 2 dlcs to fix the dlc we already bought

gotterdamerüng and the next east asia dlc

probably will be centered for china and japan

nice 👍

gold mine under their nose

[tepid totem]

most focus trees, in my opinion, are boring and bad

[wise oxide]

true

[tepid totem]

italy, the soviets and germany (germany by a very small margin) are the only enjoyable ones

france is boring, uk is even more boring, china is trash (every aspect), japan is boring, usa is boring

[wise oxide]

new german tree is weird i never know what to do😭

[tepid totem]

is there a fun focus tree or every country has to be modded?

[tepid totem]

its easy

[wise oxide]

yes but its confusing

[tepid totem]

just start with the first 3 historical focuses then all for industrializing focuses until you can do anschluss and eastern claim stuff

[wise oxide]

i will always take the good ones but its sad that i need to waste months to get rommel or stuff

[tepid totem]

till you have no wars going on, its fine to wait for rommel, guderian and every other good general

[wise oxide]

i only played it a few times

i just dont like min maxxing and just want the game to be fun and challenging not too easy or too annoying

[devout valley]

Poland?

[tepid totem]

yeah probably poland's fun too

i guess it ties with lithuania

[devout valley]

It's better than lithuania

[tepid totem]

ok

[devout valley]

Argentina?

[tepid totem]

i dont have the dlc

no idea

[brittle venture]

Very fun

[tepid totem]

anyways for south america content there's a mod that bloats every south american country

with like 500+ focuses each

[devout valley]

I know

[tepid totem]

or something

its crazy

[brittle venture]

Youre only playing majors

[devout valley]

Very tasty I play in multiplayer

[brittle venture]

Majors in singleplayer just steamroll

[brittle venture]

En union y la libertad

[tepid totem]

i used to play minors but they get boring after you beckme a major

[devout valley]

Play sheep mod

[tepid totem]

because its late game

[tepid totem]

ok

[tepid totem]

yes

that one

[devout valley]

It makes it so that ai is actually competent

And you don't just steamroll

[tepid totem]

i heard about it

will try

[twilit jolt]

Central America could be cool I don't think anything really covers it all besides Rt56

[brittle venture]

It could be really sick

Maybe after MtG goes free

Mexico rework + central america + maybe USA and canada but thats a lot to ask

[somber hatch]

Definitely needed

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-yikes-central-america-gif-5876969

[wise oxide]

sure but its the last thing i want

[twilit jolt]

need a path for Guatemala to go democratic only to flip back to neutrality again with an OSS coup and deal with commies in the countryside

[wise oxide]

i hope the dlc will add post ww2 asia content

liie korea and independance stuff

[harsh hull]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1343215/dc_china_10.png

Dang, they're actually going the "Max Warlord Count" route for the China rework

Based as hell

I thought we'd get the Sinkiang-Tunganistan conflict and MAYBE Sichuan

But the full separation of Xibei San Ma and Guangxi?

Wacky

[drifting star]

He’ll ya

Imagine the achievements

[devout valley]

As Japan, balkanise the chinas (again)

[harsh hull]

I wonder how they'll play out Japan's 2 separate Chinese puppet regimes that formed, reformed, and dissolved over the course of the conflict

I hope it gets made into a separate tag with its own tree

[drifting star]

It prolly will

[harsh hull]

Wang Jiwei's marvelous adventures of selling out the nation to Japan, then turning right around and saying "don't hate the player, man" before betraying Japan as well

[drifting star]

I hope that the new warlord states and Japanese puppets get trees

Korea, menchuku etc

We need the kingdom of Islam and a path or formable

[harsh hull]

Korea being a starting tag is just great

Goguryeo restoration formable or bust

[drifting star]

100%

At least 2 schizo paths please

I’m thinking something along the lines of China becoming Tibet

[devout valley]

North Korea path when?

With nukes

[drifting star]

That’s a normal path

[devout valley]

With nukes

I mean

With overpowered nukes

Instant nukes research

Like senor hilter has

[drifting star]

Ok fair enough

[devout valley]

And nukes submarines

[drifting star]

How about democratic North Korea and communist south

Korea becomes Israel formable

[devout valley]

This would make sense only if soviets went democratic and usa went commie

[harsh hull]

Nah, we'd need to have a Democratic Russia path for that to work

Democratic Russia and Communist Japan or USA to split Korea

[drifting star]

Communist empire of China if Puyi joins ccp

The Mandate of Heaven will be evenly distributed

[wooden wyvern]

KOREA TREE RAHHB 🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Bro their althistory better be sick

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/iris-kymm-iriskymm-hanbok-korea-gif-26376402

[drifting star]

Korea was annexed in 1910 but they are a separate state literally unplayable 🥀🥀🥀

[quiet verge]

Not enough warlords

I wonder if Shanghai is going to start as demilitarised