latest-updates

[young hearth]

"Accusation" more like fact 😂

[cursive sparrow]

as you can see, i am not the guy returning to a thread when one isn't pinged for hours, making attacks for no reason.

[digital pumice]

ok stop guys

[cursive sparrow]

I rest my case

[young hearth]

🎣

[digital pumice]

this is a pointless argument

[jagged girder]

I joined late, what are we arguing about

[cursive sparrow]

💔 🥀

[cursive sparrow]

about whether mpreg is based

i personally think it's based

[thick edge]

I don’t think the argument was about that

lol

[brittle venture]

do not argue or i will involve mods. Just stop talking.

[jagged girder]

Who's mpreg

[thick edge]

Its an emoji

[brittle venture]

Use your search engine to scour the international web for results to answer this question

[jagged girder]

Yes boss 🫡

I get it now

indubitably

[digital pumice]

lmao

[cursive sparrow]

no it wasn't, i was trying to lighten the mood

also based name colour

[sly palm]

congrats to paradox for freaking over minor country gameplay once more

[digital pumice]

it will hurt majors more than minors tho

[sly palm]

how

[wintry bloom]

Depends on where the coal spawns are

[sly palm]

major countries already have a big industry

[sly palm]

this too

[wintry bloom]

Also if there is anyway to get coal outside of those locations

[digital pumice]

no more factory spamming

since the coal cost scales with each factory

[sly palm]

ok and thats bad

[digital pumice]

and war eco is no longer meta

[sly palm]

literally no one cried about the economy system

[digital pumice]

so is spamming mils day 1

[wintry bloom]

I like that bit

[digital pumice]

well imo its a good thing

i hated that there were no downsides to mobilizing your economy

[sly palm]

imo its bad because you cant scale as much

[digital pumice]

but we'll have to see how they balance it out

as this will surely hurt competitive mp

[sly palm]

thats why im crying 😭

i hope they balance it at least

[digital pumice]

yeah

[sly palm]

so it doesnt hurt that much

[digital pumice]

all we can do is hope

[wintry bloom]

I think they intend to balance it

[sly palm]

i dont like the game designers anyway

cant change their game well enough

[digital pumice]

i think its a good mechanic

but to each their own

[wintry bloom]

Up next I'd like to see a buff to democratic countries so there is a reason to stick to democracy over switching to racism

[sly palm]

i guess

[wintry bloom]

I'd like to see it in action before I love or hate it

Worst case scenario we can use the old version of the game via steam betas

[sly palm]

same ngl but just from the dev diary i instantly hate it

[digital pumice]

its adds a new layer to economy instead of blindly spamming factories

[sly palm]

or just remove the energy system through modding lol

[sly palm]

never seen anyone complaining about that

before

[digital pumice]

of course they wont complain

thats makes the game easier

[sly palm]

its a simple system

[wintry bloom]

It is quite mindless

[sly palm]

no need to make it harder for no reason

[digital pumice]

eh you'll get used to it

[sly palm]

i know i will

i just dislike it

[digital pumice]

from what we've seen the coal system looks simple enough

but we cant judge yet

[wintry bloom]

Still doesn't exist yet and is prone to rebalances

[digital pumice]

i'm optimistic about the way they're heading with this

[sly palm]

the point is that the system that we have currently is even more simple

[digital pumice]

with the faction dynamics thing

possibly making late game sp more playable

[sly palm]

im not from the latest dev diaries and dlcs

[sly palm]

i dislike that too

this game is not vic3

[digital pumice]

huh

most people liked it

it fixed a lot of the problems with sp

[sly palm]

well i dont like it

[digital pumice]

no more yugoslavia joining the chinese united front

[wintry bloom]

All right, what do you want to see changed with the game?

[sly palm]

the only thing i like is faction joining if i recall correctly

[digital pumice]

i can tell you only ever play mp lol

[sly palm]

america, japan, allied minors overhaul

[wintry bloom]

Japan is getting an overhaul

[sly palm]

and navy rebalance

because current meta is just torpedo cruiser spam

[digital pumice]

country content by itself feels like a scam

[sly palm]

why

[digital pumice]

we need new mechanics

[wintry bloom]

20 bucks a pack

[digital pumice]

and important ones

[sly palm]

you can always make it yourself if you dislike it

[sly palm]

thats pdx's problem

[digital pumice]

thats not the point

[sly palm]

if theyre good then sure

i liked the gotterdamerung changes

[wintry bloom]

The older dlc's like arms against tyranny came with new mechanics and I like those

[digital pumice]

by this logic, you wouldve probably had complained when they revealed nsb

[sly palm]

i liked them too

[sly palm]

no

[digital pumice]

some people also said it made things harder for no reason

[sly palm]

yeah

[digital pumice]

but in the end people got used to it

and it benefitted the game by making it more in-depth

[sly palm]

its equipment design its pretty cool

[digital pumice]

which only attracted more people

[sly palm]

the system before was boring

i want more support companies, equipment types prefferably

[digital pumice]

a lot of people dislike how factions work as of now

[wintry bloom]

To me this new coal system gives a bit more of a tactical feel to the game, if you want to scale rapidly you will need to figure out which countries have coal similar to how you would need to find out which countries have oil

[digital pumice]

and how big the "fighting same war" modifier is for joining factions

it doesnt make any sense

[sly palm]

i only dislike the part where random countries join random factions

[digital pumice]

yeah and it makes sense for a grand strategy game

[sly palm]

so you need a resource now just to expand your factory count

mhm

making everything slower basically

unless you have loads of it

[digital pumice]

historically accurate

lol

[wintry bloom]

I dislike the faction joining system heavily rn as it disallows democratic countries from making technological research groups unless they are at war or world tension is 80 percent. Now a fascist country doesn't have to bother with any of that malarkey and I think it's a bit dumb. The only solution the game currently gives is via certain focuses.

Although I am an uber casual player without much experience I may be missing some crucial elements to this join system as is, that's where my main grips lie.

[sly palm]

if they want to keep the economy ismple then dont change anywhitng

[digital pumice]

energy was a pretty big deal irl

and its not being portrayed enough in the game

[sly palm]

wow 🤯

no way

[wintry bloom]

They don't want the economy simple

[digital pumice]

we always need a way to soft cap factory count

[digital pumice]

its a strategy game

and a paradox game too

[sly palm]

saying that they dont want to overcomplicate things is basically saying that they want the system to remain pretty simple to understand

[digital pumice]

this isnt anything new for hoi4

they've started going down this path for a long time now

making the game less oversimplified

we're slowly getting closer to hoi3

[sly palm]

i would like it if they would overcomplicate things then this is just hoi3 again

[digital pumice]

simple, but not too simple

[sly palm]

i guess

[digital pumice]

not black ice level of complexity

but not braindead level of simplicity

[sly palm]

i like what black ice did because they actually went into complexity

[thick edge]

Annoying complexity too

[digital pumice]

finally someone that appreciates black ice!

[sly palm]

yeah i like the mod

[digital pumice]

i hate when people say its useless bloat

[sly palm]

its pretty hard

[digital pumice]

it executed what it was aiming for perfectly

[thick edge]

Vanilla infantry
Gun
Black ice infantry
Gun
Field uniforms
I forgotx10

[sly palm]

its a mod that wants to make the game hard and complex lmao

what you on about

[sly palm]

yeah

[digital pumice]

field gun, machine gun, radio, uniforms, assault rifles, normal rifles, support equipment, recon equipment

[thick edge]

Yup

I was right on

[digital pumice]

and depending on the type, there is cavalry equipment, moutaineer equipment...

you get the point

[thick edge]

Yeah

[sly palm]

bro typing out a whole ass essay

[wintry bloom]

Right now the current economy is
Place inf, build civs or mils, rinse repeat forever. Switch to war economy whenever you get political power for it to increase production. Build even faster.

Whenever military production stalls due to lack of resources, steal them from a neighbor or suffer through a penalty.

New coal system dropping means you'll likely need to trade for coal in order to scale, (if coal is tradable) and should hopefully give players more of an incentive to build other things that aren't just more factories sooner.

I think I'm okay with this change, as dealing with the economy is quite boring as of current.

[sly palm]

again i dont see a problem with the current system

[wintry bloom]

However until I can get my grubby little hands on the change I don't think I can make a conclusion.

[sly palm]

if they wont to rebalance economy laws then they should add more of them and change civ eco from -30% civ construction speed to +10%

[sly palm]

same its not finalized in the end

[sly palm]

or even +30%

since it takes 35% consumer goods

which is a lot

[wintry bloom]

I've played hoi4 coop as the economic manager. It's bloody boring.

[sly palm]

economic manager?

thats so pointless

you spend maximum 10 seconds on that per year

[wintry bloom]

Technically also handled Air Force and politics, but yeah economy right now is boring.

[sly palm]

so you did absolutely nothing then for half of the game

[wintry bloom]

Yep.

[sly palm]

you got the most boring assignments

and the 2nd person you were playing with took a lot more things

[wintry bloom]

Elected myself for the most boring assignments

[sly palm]

he may be just dumb but yk

[wintry bloom]

2nd guy just handled military (didn't bother with navy)

[sly palm]

so why are you complaining then

you couldve done navy and agency

and he would do everything else

[wintry bloom]

Didn't have agency dlc

[sly palm]

this game is not about economy

[sly palm]

crack it if you dont have money or play with someone who does have it

[wintry bloom]

I now have the dlc

But then I didn't

[sly palm]

oh well then

[copper oar]

is it true that they might add energy to the game

[wintry bloom]

No.

[sly palm]

yeah they will

[wintry bloom]

Energy is a myth. The dev blogs lie. Reality is an illusion and I bid you goodbye.

[silent prism]

I actually love planning my eco and spending a lot of time in the section

[fresh cedar]

Yes, in the form of coal. Offset by dams and reactors

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, civs should be faster to build

[fresh cedar]

You will be able to trade for coal but I think it’s intended to encourage expansionism for some countries or your economy basically starves

Like Japan has to take China and Southeast Asia. Germany has to take big parts of Russia and France. Italy has to secure North Africa etc

If not, allies can embargo kill their economy

[inland bloom]

damn that will be big update but it will be so cool, cant wait

[silent prism]

It would make a lot of sense

[fresh cedar]

They said they’re also reworking sea supremacy to be more stable and long term. So denying resources will be more effective. Plus factions are being reworked along with lend lease so resources should be more important than ever I believe

[wintry bloom]

All of these buffs to Denmark seems pretty awesome

[inland bloom]

i think that i have 300 hours in the game but i never played with navy before because i dont understand a thing , i hope that it will be easier to understand

[fresh cedar]

I’m not sure it’ll be easier tbh

But basically, light attack good. Light cruiser with max light attack can’t go wrong

If you just spam light cruisers with light attack and destroyers with light attack and a torpedo, you’ll do fine

[wintry bloom]

Or you could make planes to bomb the navy

[fresh cedar]

I never really use naval bombers. They seem less effective as of late

[wintry bloom]

Planes solve every problem if you have enough of them

[fresh cedar]

But naval bombers on carriers, goated

[inland bloom]

and subs, you can spam little subs but idk if they are good

[fresh cedar]

Oh like the micro ones or 1936 subs

[inland bloom]

the micro ones

[fresh cedar]

They’re only decent in shallower seas tbh

They get debuffed to actual oceans

[inland bloom]

damn that sucks but it is understandable

[wintry bloom]

So would the Mediterranean would be a decent spot for them?

[inland bloom]

i really need to learn navy before the new update

[fresh cedar]

Yeah or the channel therorhetically, but UK spams so many naval bombers over it

[wintry bloom]

Well if it's a sub they'll have a harder time getting bombed hopefully

[fresh cedar]

Cruiser subs with the gun better imo

Can actually destroy ships pretty well

[wintry bloom]

I think there's an achievement for Denmark if you beat the British navy

[fresh cedar]

It’s super possible tbh

[sly palm]

imo the only big complain about the economy i have is the amount of building slots

i think it should be 40 or 50

[coral drift]

For me, while the soft cap is still at 24 (Megalopolis state category with fully researched Industry tech), the hard cap needs to be increased to at least 30 to accomodate the added building slots.

[fresh cedar]

Would be a little OP tbh

What always stood out to me is how devs will only really reply on forum dev diaries the day it was published. :/

I’m guessing they reply at scheduled times/dates rather than checking on them frequently

[dense veldt]

Can't wait for the welsh coal mines to fully come into play when the coal update is implemented.

UK meta is going to run those welsh coal mines like thatcher.

[solid gyro]

West Virginia and Newcastle DLC

[sly palm]

it accomodates what the devs want to do, we can clearly see that theyre pushing nowadays towards the lategame

[fresh cedar]

Want it that way so reactors and dams have a bigger impact?

IMO, reactors should cover like 50-75% of energy usage in a state. Not just 25%

[brittle venture]

Theyre gonna give electricity too

[fresh cedar]

I know, but they said it may only negate like 25% of the energy usage of a single state

Albeit they said that number is subject to change

But I think it should be a greater impact than that even

Would make raids more useful

[brittle venture]

You cant raid civ reactors

[fresh cedar]

I Moreso mean dams

[brittle venture]

Oh dams

I guess

[fresh cedar]

Why ever raid one?

[brittle venture]

The energy system looks funny

If i understand the system itll be very very bad (as a major) to lose your coal/electricity sources

[fresh cedar]

If you could raid major coal nodes though, that could be impactful. Like with oil fields

[brittle venture]

But as a minor survivable

[fresh cedar]

Could potentially nerf an entire industry

[brittle venture]

Similar to how currently every nation gets free fuel

Its not nearly enough for a major power though

[fresh cedar]

I just want to know how it interacts with AI

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

[stoic moat]

pls santa give me cole i need it to win zhe war 🙏🙏

[brittle venture]

Yes it needs to interact with AI well

[fresh cedar]

I asked a question on the forum but it seems like they stopped replying to things yesterday

[brittle venture]

Theyre busy

Only reply sometimes

[fresh cedar]

Right, I get that. But a bunch of people asked about how it’ll interact with AI

[brittle venture]

We will see

I like the concept personally

[fresh cedar]

Like will the AI shoot for 100% efficiency and limit how much they can expand?

Or wil they build everything they can and run at 25% capacity

[fresh cedar]

Me too, should make it more fun

[brittle venture]

Ai limits their expansion anyway

Its players who dont

[fresh cedar]

I like how Civ industry consumes less energy

[brittle venture]

Unless theyre non aligned/fascist

[fresh cedar]

Right, but even the devs showed Italy only having like 26% efficiency at start. Meaning they’ll most likely operate inefficiently

[brittle venture]

It could be that all countries start low

There was a big energy defacit at the time still

[fresh cedar]

I think Majors with poor resources will suffer the most

[brittle venture]

More in the 1910s? I forgot when the crisis was

That gave european summer time

And winter time

[fresh cedar]

Doubt it’ll be represented

[fresh cedar]

Wonder how unique economy laws will consume energy, like autarky, New economic policy, anarchism

[brittle venture]

Well, theres a decent chance most people dont start with energy

[brittle venture]

And idk the USSR, finland and stuff have energy but no factories

[fresh cedar]

I think they said minors will actually do well. Because consumption goes up exponentially depending on how many factories you have

[brittle venture]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

France should be fine too

Will actually buff France potentially bc they’ll be operating well

Bet Japan, Italy and Germany will need to expand

Would be cool if coal production was a bonus China had over Japan in the war

[sly palm]

this too

[manic saffron]

day 2 of asking for romania to get decent amount of coal and a focus tree revamp (im not stopping)

[somber hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-call-of-duty-ww2-pearson-gif-17242188524327029149

[thick edge]

France will actually prob be one of the best if not the best with this update

Not a massive industry compared to Germany UK, or others

Lots of resources

And just good in general with everything else

Like army,navy, air, research, etc

[fresh cedar]

Feel like the US and USSR will still be better but it’ll be stronger for sure

[sly palm]

germany, uk, ussr, usa and japan will stay stronger than france

well you can debate of japan is stronger or not but you get what i mean

[thick edge]

Japan was struggling with bad resources

Before war

[jaunty nymph]

i hate the new dev corner about coal, this is honestly in my opinion, a dumb direction for hoi4

why are they adding

more economoics into my war sim

[polar jasper]

It's only a dev corner, nothing is finalized copium

[jolly wasp]

Can non aligned countries puppet nations in peace conferences in hoi4?

[polar jasper]

Yes

Depends on if you are in a democratic led faction though

[jolly wasp]

If you are a non aligned faction, what is the possibility

[polar jasper]

Then you can

[jaunty nymph]

i am so genuienly upset after reading the dev corneres

why do i need to have that in my war sim

this isnt vic

also nerfing naval invasions is so insanely stupid in my opinion

that effects every single nation in the game

portugal naval invading brazil for example

no more quick invasion

the naval HQ change in my opinion is also very bad, how forcing you to micro even more naval areas and also making little sense in my opinion

this will just make navy even less fun to play

it so genuinely makes little sense, why focus more on industry in the war sim. I understand soft caps bc it is rather needed, however this is not the way to do so in my opinion

[hollow coral]

reasonable crashout

[jaunty nymph]

i feel as if they are spreading themselves too thin and are going more for quantity over quality, and i really really dont want them to redo the mistakes they had with grave yard of empires

[jaunty nymph]

ty bro i am livid

[hollow coral]

i personally dont like these changes either they could have definitely done something else with coal other than to cap industry

[jaunty nymph]

literally

the navy stuff made me even angrier

but eitherway

this shouldnt be in my war simulator game

if i wanted to have represenetation of working hours and shifts, id go play Victoria 3

not hearts of iron 4, the ww2 era war sim game

i will be keeping a way closer view on the dev corners bc this was very, bad

[hollow coral]

they need to prioritise adding features to improve on the game instead of making it more complicated

[jaunty nymph]

literally they made navy even less fun and more micro

also the HQ change, why cant other ports assist, it makes so little sense

now u have to make mulitiple navies to micro due to the HQ system if ur the UK, Japan, USA

even more micro for the already heavy micro countries

plus not to mention having to make even more fleets to supply those other navys

all its doing is overall, making navy even less appealing

[brittle venture]

Literally you have an island nearby

Portugal invading brazil is both realistic + possible

The main thing it changes is that you cant invade vladivostok from california

Which is stupid anyway

[jaunty nymph]

its changing naval invasion planning

no matter the amount of divisions, it has the same planning time as the corner said

[brittle venture]

Its a different team so prob not the same visions

[brittle venture]

Yeah but that doesnt mean its necessarily long

Just more than like 7 days

[jaunty nymph]

also thats stupid but very easy to block

[jaunty nymph]

i highly doubt its only 7 days

as the normal 10 starting is still 60

[brittle venture]

Rn

10 is 70

[jaunty nymph]

all this is, is a huge nerf of which i find very stupid

[brittle venture]

7 days per 1

Theyre changing that

Idk the time

[brittle venture]

Yes so people actually make smaller fleets

Or intended to

[jaunty nymph]

intended doesnt mean they will

even now its intended for u to make smaller fleets

but no one ever does

[brittle venture]

Likely have to, to a certain degree

[jaunty nymph]

intended doesnt mean the community and players will actually do it

[jaunty nymph]

as UK and USA, definitely

but i find the new system very extremely, stupid

[brittle venture]

And those are the two that currently are guaranteed to win navy

[jaunty nymph]

not with the new system

they have to split fleets to a major degree now

especially in the pacific

[brittle venture]

Nah

Nah

US fleet in 2

For singapore and indies and for around jap

[jaunty nymph]

youd need a fleet for different HQ’s

[brittle venture]

No?

You dont need one everywhere

A lot of zones are irrelevant

[jaunty nymph]

HQ’s give range alone now though

singapor, island hopping

[brittle venture]

Yes

[jaunty nymph]

plus med

3 minimum there

[brittle venture]

Only iffy thing is med + around uk

Pacific should stay the same mostly

[jaunty nymph]

i doubt thay

[brittle venture]

UK fleet is europe US fleet is asia

[jaunty nymph]

but all this update is doing, is making navy for the vast majority of non mp players, even less appealing

its way more micro

and having to worry more abt it

and actually having to micro the sea zone domination

they wanted to make it more easy to understand, but ended up making it less easy/seemingly fun

i entirely and utterly disagree on most of the “hydrodynamics” dev corner

[long ibex]

"War is economy"

[sly palm]

ok so why are we talking about rral life

[brittle venture]

It was the entire reason they went into the war

[sly palm]

yeah ive been talkimg about it a bit here

[brittle venture]

Was a US oil embargo

[sly palm]

yes

doesnt change the fact that in game japan is better than france if youre a good player

[brittle venture]

It isnt

[sly palm]

how

[brittle venture]

France has the second strongest tanks in the game while asia in current meta can just be ignored

[sly palm]

LMAO

[brittle venture]

And all japan tries to do is be an IC waste

[sly palm]

wdym second strongest tanks

[brittle venture]

Second highest stats

Protected by maginot extra planning, good core stats

[sly palm]

pretty sure that soviet union and germany have the same mio

[brittle venture]

Inf tank MIO + industry to use it

Germany has the strongest tanks

USSR maybe third

[sly palm]

ussr has defo better tanks because you have a bigger industry so you can lvl uo the mio faster

[brittle venture]

USSR in pure vanilla doesnt even do tanks tho cuz it has no army XP

[sly palm]

not really you just have to grind good

[brittle venture]

Ask in gg/redbaron if you care about meta

Theyll explain it more in depth

[sly palm]

its just waiting for allies to dday now

germany is a bit strong

btw if you ignore asia you just have no rubber

and you lose the air war

spesking from experience here

[brittle venture]

refineries on US

and ofc you delay japan

its their whole job to draw resources there

rn

[safe plover]

Finland

And raj

[thick edge]

U shouldn’t have died from a Japan

That’s like

Skill issue central right there

[brittle venture]

Decent

[sterile robin]

We need a setting to auto-deploy units as soon as they reach the minimum level of training

Maybe it could be like a feature for countries who use Mass Assault (makes sense that they would put out minimally trained troops, right?) but I think it would be very convenient

[sly palm]

i mean it happened when i started playing mp

and i faced a really good japan player

[pine terrace]

yo guys what do you think about the new coal update?

[hollow lion]

Hard to say until its in-game Id say

[azure narwhal]

I think they wanted to add something fpr the new hydreletric plants

I wonder if it will be like HoI3 (if i am not mistaken, never played it) where you could burn oil to get power

[jaunty nymph]

you are talking from a major mp and meta pov, 90% of players do not play mp or play meta builds

[jaunty nymph]

absolutely despise it

[brittle venture]

Duh

In singleplayer japan isnt better than france still tho

France can easily just like oneshot ger

Have all the world eco

Form EU

[jaunty nymph]

but either way, the coal thing is just, no reason to add it other than soft locking industry size, however there are other ways to do that, that doesn’t require having more resource worrying

[fresh cedar]

They want you to demobilize more ig

[thick edge]

I don’t like it that much honestly, but I would say give it a try first

[fresh cedar]

Same

[thick edge]

Besides this is only a dev corner

So it’s not that good yet

Just a concept now

[fresh cedar]

Tbh people had the same reaction to the fuel rework with MTG

I was there when Horus slew the emperor

[jaunty nymph]

yesss devs…. i would like to demobilize in my WAR SIM GAME

ts srs pmo

like

[fresh cedar]

More like shift from building mils to civ factories in peace time

So economic expansion V military production

[fresh cedar]

Teamspeak speak real soft per my orders?

[thick edge]

Yup

[fresh cedar]

I don’t super get the home base mechanic tbh. I’m guessing they want Pearl harbor to exist. But I’m pretty sure the game used to have this system and they did away with it

[thick edge]

Home bases with the range is annoying ngl

[jaunty nymph]

what pmo abt that, is no other port can help supply ur navy other than ur HQ which is so stupid

[thick edge]

There will probably be a mod that removes it anyway

[fresh cedar]

Mega range nerf. Like will Japan ever be able to reach the US now? Barely can with more range lol

[thick edge]

So meh

[thick edge]

Oh I forgot that

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-daddy-take-it-easy-calm-down-gif-13696124

[thick edge]

Rip Japan

[fresh cedar]

Like legit rn you need max range ships or the new special project to get from Hawwaii to California. So genuinely it won’t be able to reach after

[jaunty nymph]

literally

[fresh cedar]

Unless you go through Alaska

[thick edge]

Ok I hope the devs will add some buff to Hawaii in particular for that

[fallen zenith]

Wait what are they changing?

[fresh cedar]

I was hoping this dlc would reintroduce soldiers, sailors and airmen as different manpower pools 😭 like HOI3

[thick edge]

Or other islands that are isolated

[fresh cedar]

Fleets draw range from one single port called a home base rather than every friendly port nearby

[fallen zenith]

wtf

[thick edge]

My nation will never have coal, we shall deindustrialize

[fresh cedar]

IMO home based should exist but not impact range

Pearl Harbor can still happen without nerfing proxy supply extension

[fallen zenith]

I feel like home base should give more range. But every other naval base should still give range in some way

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[brittle venture]

Thats already the case btw

[fresh cedar]

Irl, while fleets do have a home base they still get supplied form nearby ports

[fallen zenith]

Yea exactly

[fresh cedar]

Seems like a needless nerf

I get they want to make naval supremacy more impactful and this would force people to focus on less seas. But idk

[thick edge]

Imagine just having ur ships starving next to a friendly port

And they refuse to give supplies

[brittle venture]

Thats again

Already

The case

[fallen zenith]

Wait I think we might be reading it wrong

[fresh cedar]

I just really am not looking forward to the micro now

[brittle venture]

Fleets currently only take supply of 1 port

[fresh cedar]

But are fed by nearby ports

[brittle venture]

Its why the uk fleet can get deleted if they accidentally station on malta

[brittle venture]

Theyre not

Only given range

[fallen zenith]

Home base could be the ships main port they use. So you can't have a fleet thats providing naval supremacy around the entire world because you have range from other ports

[brittle venture]

Theyre removing the range

[jaunty nymph]

all its doing is making navy even less appealing

[fresh cedar]

Well they are in that they will go to and repair at basically at port

[brittle venture]

Theyre not supplied by them? That was the argument and issue?

They can still split off into different ports to repair, its a different mechanic

[fresh cedar]

The issue is way less range now and having to micro 5x more

[brittle venture]

Less range yeah

[jaunty nymph]

literally making navy a micro hell

[fresh cedar]

Casey you can still love the game and criticize it 😭

[thick edge]

Dedicated naval player in mp

[brittle venture]

I know

I can criticize it

I just truly believe its fine

Because i believe rn its bs

[jaunty nymph]

i truly believe its entirely ruining the game

[fallen zenith]

I can see the point tho. There's no reason a ship should be able to give naval supremacy to 2 sea regions that are across the planet because you have a port on 2 random islands

[brittle venture]

And have been

[fresh cedar]

I’ll remember this on release day when you’re losing your mind 😂

[brittle venture]

?

[jaunty nymph]

u can only get supremacy from a limited distance

[brittle venture]

Ill be fine

[jaunty nymph]

not across the world

you have to move ur fleet there to get the supremacy

[fallen zenith]

Isn't it determined by ship range?

[jaunty nymph]

now ur just unable to do that

[jaunty nymph]

no

thats just where u can go

[fresh cedar]

I’m just worried how the AI and the game will interact with it. Would be fine with players but like can Japan even reach the US anymore or vice versa

[fallen zenith]

One sec lemme test it

[jaunty nymph]

but if its too far away, u cant get supremacy

the change was literally pointless imo

like why

now ur making navy already even worse to micro

[fresh cedar]

Just as I want to know how AI will interact with coal. Will they greatly limit factory expansion and get 100% fuel Effiency? Settle for 35-50% effiency? Or yolo build everything and kill their industry with 1% efficiency

[jaunty nymph]

i love it when i must worry about my eco in my war sim

yay!

[fresh cedar]

Like a country who lacks coal is basically the equivalent of Mefo bills but worse

[jaunty nymph]

like WHY bro

[fallen zenith]

Yes because economy is very important when going to war

[jaunty nymph]

this isnt vic

[fresh cedar]

Bc Japan and Germany lacked resources which was a big reason for wars, especially Japan

[jaunty nymph]

man, if wanted to micro my eco id play victoria 3

[jaunty nymph]

thats already represented well

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t say it’s represented super well with Japan

[jaunty nymph]

u cant barely build anything as japan, without having to trade for everything

they need to add a better tree and customization to japan to better represent it

like with germany

but changing the whole game around it??

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I like the navy supremacy changes where it takes longer to get supremacy and even if your ships are repairing, takes time for the enemy to gain supremacy. So cheesy naval invasions will be lessened

[jaunty nymph]

now they have to balance and change every single focus tree for that

[fresh cedar]

Will make dams and reactors worth atleast

[jaunty nymph]

rip the noobs trying to sealion

like it doesnt make any sense

[fresh cedar]

Tbh sealion has always been cheesy

People are always like “why not kill Uk in 1938 with sealion”

As if that should be easy

[jaunty nymph]

if they wanna soft lock industry, change the build amount in non core states

[thick edge]

That’s no fun

Having a UK 2 sea tiles away from u in barb is fun

[fallen zenith]

How is this micro? Its just another building

[jaunty nymph]

dont make me attempt to micro my industry

[jaunty nymph]

its adding coal that debuffs you

you have to trade or invade for it to exist, now having to go over see what u need and why

then going where u can go get aome

just so u can play the game

[fresh cedar]

Like I said, basically like Mefo bills for a few majors

[jaunty nymph]

thats so

unneeded tho

[fresh cedar]

US, and USSR should be fine

[jaunty nymph]

they dug their own hole with industry when they made the amount u can build in a single state, an insane number

[fresh cedar]

Japan kinda needed it, but part of me thinks they could’ve done a Japanese equivalent of Mefo bills

[jaunty nymph]

thats what im saying

now they gotta change every single nation

[fresh cedar]

Actually buffs little nations and nerfs mega snowballs. So idk

Could be cool

[jaunty nymph]

why would i take focuses to expand my military as iraq? i cant afford that?

[fresh cedar]

I’m interested how it’ll work for Anarchism, NEP, and Autarky

[fallen zenith]

Yea because right now having uncapped industry isn't good. It just leads to a complete stall in the end

[jaunty nymph]

my suggestion was lower factories in occupied areas, and lower build amount in noncore

[fresh cedar]

Might give Iraq more of a reason to expand ig. Though imo oil should offset coals costs

[fallen zenith]

That massively nerfs germany though while not affecting soviets

[fresh cedar]

You should need like 2-8 oil for every coal but if you do have it, completely covers the cost

[fallen zenith]

Soviets have a ton of space

[jaunty nymph]

soviets are massively weak as ai

[fresh cedar]

Until late game most of the time

[jaunty nymph]

germany is already very strong

[fallen zenith]

Yes but you also have to balance it for players

[fresh cedar]

Once they get 1k factories and 1k divisions they can be spooky

[jaunty nymph]

they can never truely recover

[jaunty nymph]

most players aren’t mp nerds

[fallen zenith]

Yes but they can still make soviets strong

[jaunty nymph]

and germany is insanely strong

[fallen zenith]

You don't have to have 1000+ hours to make soviets work

[jaunty nymph]

average players struggle alot in beating germany

[fresh cedar]

Seems more a feature than a bug tbh

[jaunty nymph]

i’m not thinking about the minority of ppl like me who have a ton of hours

[fresh cedar]

Germany is like Matt from Wii sports

[fallen zenith]

Yea it is historically accurate. Germany blitzed USSR until they encountered supply issues

[fresh cedar]

That’s Germany

[jaunty nymph]

true

but i feel very strongly about my opinion on the state of hoi

[fresh cedar]

Game would be aids if Soviets instantly held off barb

[jaunty nymph]

i changed my steam review and might honestly just go play vic

[fresh cedar]

The devs wanted the USSR to fail unless allies distract

So it’s genuinely working as intended

[jaunty nymph]

can already happen sometimes

happened to me yesterday

i decimated the entire axis airforce

that the sovs had green air

germany only took kiev and thats it

they got corland pocketed

[fresh cedar]

In my game on historical, USA never joined Allies bc Japan didn’t Pearl Harbor bc China was a loss. And Denmark started WW3 bc did its stupid independence war despite being a Soviet puppet

[thick edge]

Was that vanilla AI? Or expert

[jaunty nymph]

vanilla

[thick edge]

Ok

[fresh cedar]

Historical definitely need tweaks 😂

[jaunty nymph]

but yeah, depending on what comes out in the next dev whatevers i might genuinely stop playing

unnecessary change after unnecessary nerf after unnecessary change

i like the faction stuff a bit but like

im worried abt the coding and changing every countries focus tree

bc they gotta balance that

99% of their trees is join the main factions

are they gonna change that to random ones?

i feel like theyre going quantity over quality

for this update

[fallen zenith]

Wait what? Who's focus tree is 99% joining a faction?

[jaunty nymph]

im worried abt another grave yard incident where its all just broken

[thick edge]

Either join axis, allies, or Comintern?

[fallen zenith]

Yea but thats 1 focus

[fresh cedar]

If they did it with trains and rail with NSB, they can with coal lol

[fallen zenith]

Not 99% of a focus tree

[jaunty nymph]

hmm i went democratic so i join allies

i went commie so i join the Comintern

im in asia and went fascist i join japan

i went fascist so i join axis

[jaunty nymph]

i didnt say a 99% of their trees

[fallen zenith]

Not really. Belgium you can choose to make your own faction as fascist and go against germany

[fresh cedar]

Might be more locked to continents than that tbh

[jaunty nymph]

i said 99% of their trees have them joining a major faction

[jaunty nymph]

they said that in the thing

which has me thinking abt they have to change trees now then

update focuses

[fresh cedar]

Doubt the Americas will do much tbh

[thick edge]

I will miss Spain joining Japan’s faction

[fresh cedar]

Atleast everyone and their mother won’t join japans faction anymore

[jaunty nymph]

yeah, im glad abt that

[fallen zenith]

Japanese yugoslavia will be missed

[jaunty nymph]

im just worried about the amount they have to change in the trees to actually balance it

bc 90% of the trees have them joining the big 3

[thick edge]

Real

[fresh cedar]

It worked with oil and rail. Will probably be fine

I give it a 80% chance that it’ll be fine

And if you’re a gambler, those are amazing odds

[jaunty nymph]

i dont

[fallen zenith]

Yea. Could even add a system for the focusses that join factions to have the requirements for said faction

[jaunty nymph]

i did change my steam review

[fresh cedar]

Change is okay 🥺

[jaunty nymph]

i really really really dont understand why theyre adding that stupid industry good

[fresh cedar]

I’m very interested on faction limitations

[fallen zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[fresh cedar]

Also will the UK still spam kick out?

[jaunty nymph]

im not playing vic bruh

[fallen zenith]

Yea I like it

[fallen zenith]

Didn't they say they'd also fix that?

Or try to

with the new system

Bcs rn the main issue is just "oh you're on the same side in a war join my faction" without any other modifiers

[fresh cedar]

I believe so

[fallen zenith]

Might even be fixed by just removing that modifier from the join faction button

[fresh cedar]

Wonder what those mentioned naval invasions preps will look like. Does it mean a 2 division invasion will be the same as a 30 division? Or does this only apply if you’re doing 15 invasions with 2 divisions. Like the prep is determined based on all invasions being prepared not singular

Hoping it’s the latter

[fallen zenith]

Could be similar to raids. Like having to supply specific things to execute a raid. But that might be a stretch

[fresh cedar]

Could be. I get the need to nerf 2 division spam. Bc had same prep time for large invasions as small

[fresh cedar]

What’s the review now 😭

[fallen zenith]

Yea thats the main thing they need to fix

[jaunty nymph]

yes thats what theyre saying

the first ine

prep wont be based off div count

thats so stupid

[fallen zenith]

But making prep time based off global invasions could be buggy

[jaunty nymph]

negative

and harsh

[fresh cedar]

I took it as every invasion you prep consecutively will pool and make them all take longer. But a singular one may be faster still?

[fresh cedar]

Why not wait till it releases or we get more info. Seems a little premature 😭

[jaunty nymph]

bc it shows that what theyre doing is unnecessary for the most part

atleast in the way theyre doing it

[fresh cedar]

People genuinely were as tweaked with the MTG oil changes and it worked out

[brittle venture]

I for one am way more concerned about bloated stats/trees than the mechanics

Like they made raj and afghanistan stupid strong, same for germany

[jaunty nymph]

i just dont want to worry about energizing my economy, like im not playing victoria, hoi needs it niche

[fresh cedar]

Same, like Germany was good and I don’t think its stats are broken tbh. But GOE countries and especially India, WOOF

[fresh cedar]

Think it’ll just be comparable to fuel. Don’t have it? Trade or expand

[brittle venture]

Like im not particularly concerned about the mechanic changes and think they can be good

But after having seen recent completely unfair nation specific buffs

Guh

Very concerned and scared

[jaunty nymph]

fuel is important enough imo, the industry resource is just unnecessary imo, and theres other ways to change industry caps

[fresh cedar]

Which ones?

[fresh cedar]

I’ll have to see how it plays. If done well can make the game fun with a new vital resource. Like originally oil was pretty meh bc you just used it to make vehicles.

[brittle venture]

Operational planning for germany, quami/nufus for afghan, the entire army tree for raj too where they get the best allied ground army in both stats and size even on hist

Guh

[fresh cedar]

Yeah India and Afghanistan greatly need nerfs to military

[brittle venture]

Iraq doesnt have many unfair buffs but ehh

[fresh cedar]

Idk, is operational planning that good?

[brittle venture]

Still powerful

I hate how they did iran

Starts with 2 research slots

[fresh cedar]

All things considered TOA was pretty balanced

[brittle venture]

Can get max 4

Surrounded by statbloat nations while being the only one who isnt

Absolutely cooked

[fresh cedar]

I’d argue Iraq pretty balanced

[brittle venture]

Iraq is a good tree

I like the simplicity for a minor power

[fresh cedar]

I like how Iraq likes mechanized warfare too. Which makes sense bc oil and location. Prob don’t wanna hike dudes across a desert

[brittle venture]

Its not ridiculous but still strong

[fresh cedar]

Afghanistan and India are just chopped lol

[brittle venture]

You can get 3 special forces brsnches as iraq its wholesome

[fresh cedar]

75% Calvary buffs 😭

[brittle venture]

Yeah im scared :(

I dont want china / japan to get those

But none of that has been revealed yet

[fresh cedar]

I feel like it’ll be more comparable to GDR than GOE

[brittle venture]

I will complain about it :>

Not the mechanics tho

Goated

Less industry output yipee

[fresh cedar]

Do you like the change of island size build caps?

[jaunty nymph]

yes honestly

[fresh cedar]

Tiny, small, and large islands limit certain buildings like airfields

Pretty cool tbh

[fallen zenith]

Yea that makes sense

[fresh cedar]

Tbh coal the only thing I want to know more about. The devs only really replied the first day of the diary so I’ll have to check the forum again. But really hope they answer more 😂

I knew people would go bananas

[fallen zenith]

Yea its one of the shortest dev diaries I've seen

So there's a lot of people making guesses and assumptions

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

I’m like mildly concerned about coal but moreso just want more information

Which I doubt they have bc it’s early development

[polar jasper]

With factories being soft capped by coal now... What should we build if we run out of coal? I assume Dockyards will be powered with coal, infrastructure is limited to 5 per state. I guess more experimental facilities which hopefully aren't powered by coal?

[fallen zenith]

Yea. But people are already complaining about stuff thats not known yet.

[fresh cedar]

Everything is so I think you’re just not supposed to build or focus on other things like supply/infrastructure

[fresh cedar]

Also seems like some countries will just start at an energy deficit. So many just won’t have max productivity I guess?

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[fallen zenith]

Its kinda annoying. Like the point of the dev diaries is to get feedback from players. I do like the coal stuff tho

[fresh cedar]

I like it too and the majority seemed cool with it. Just wanted more information

Dropping a new resource is a pretty big bombshell to be a little quiet about initially 😂

[fallen zenith]

I'm assuming its because thats all the info they have so far

[fresh cedar]

But I bet they are still developing it a lot

[fresh cedar]

Yup

[fallen zenith]

Or they want feedback and ideas before developing more

[fresh cedar]

I’d honestly be sad if it didn’t get added bc backlash. I think it can benefit the game

[fallen zenith]

Yea. And most people seem to like it

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

[fallen zenith]

I just like the fact it fixes the instant war eco and late game factory growth issues

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, and should make major players feel a bit stronger and stable

[fallen zenith]

Idk about stronger. But yea more stable

[fresh cedar]

I just mean if their industry is peak and their competition isn’t

Pretty big to have a better industry

[fallen zenith]

True but thats like player vs AI

[jaunty nymph]

most nations cant even get war eco until way later

i find the goal thing very unnecessary. there are other ways to cap industry growth

industry itself has a very very linear growth, u only skyrocket after taking over land

[silent prism]

I don't agree

[fallen zenith]

Yes but the ones that can get a massive buff. There's a reason instantly going war eco as soon as possible is meta and it makes no sense that going war eco while not at war is something that doesn't have a downside.

[silent prism]

Industry growths like hell

[silent prism]

I would love to see that civilian economy is good for civ buildup

[jaunty nymph]

well its a war sim

the point of the game is war

[fallen zenith]

And economy is a large part of war

[jaunty nymph]

of course war eco

will be very good

[fallen zenith]

You need an economy to support said war

[jaunty nymph]

I do NOT want to have to micro my industry

i will play vic for that, not the war sim

[fallen zenith]

Is it really gonna require micro?

[jaunty nymph]

hoi has enough micro, especially navy change

[jaunty nymph]

making sure ur eco is fueled? yeah

[fallen zenith]

Like just keep energy at 100%. If it goes below you add some extra stuff and done

[jaunty nymph]

what other possible downside could u have from war eco with the coal system

[jaunty nymph]

yeah having to go out and then micro it

in the war sim, id like to focus on the war itself

not making sure my eco is fully maxxed

bc the more u build, the more u need to have, the more often you would have to keep upping the buy amount if its a resource

[fallen zenith]

A ticking war support debuff when not at war. I mean people would get pissed if you focus on war production when not at war

[polar jasper]

I would like to see benefits of having civilian economy and the other lower eco laws

[fallen zenith]

Yes and this isn't gonna change much

[jaunty nymph]

then why have rhe coal system

[jaunty nymph]

making other stuff more microable, does

[fallen zenith]

To give an incentive to go civ eco

[polar jasper]

Because factories need power and no one thought of spinning a turbine with wind

[jaunty nymph]

then buff civ eco

not debuff war eco

[jaunty nymph]

i find that so dumb though

[polar jasper]

The resource war could always be added upon

[fallen zenith]

But the electricity system isn't gonna be much micro

[polar jasper]

Maybe get buffs for having coal and less of a debuff for not having it?

[jaunty nymph]

having to constantly go back into the trade window even more now

will be micro yes

[fallen zenith]

Constantly?

[polar jasper]

They already made it to where minors aren't as effected by coal

Auto trade when

[jaunty nymph]

you build factories all game chatkat

you will need more

[fallen zenith]

Yes but the details aren't even known yet where are you getting the fact from it'll require micro

[polar jasper]

We will see what happens in further dev diaries maybe

[jaunty nymph]

bc its a trade resource

u have to trade for it

that means opening trade menu even more

[fallen zenith]

But you don't know how it'll be consumed

And if there'll be research to increase efficiency

[jaunty nymph]

its consumed by every factory

[polar jasper]

They have the bar thing like oil

[fallen zenith]

Or if there's other ways to get more power

[fallen zenith]

Power is. Not coal

[polar jasper]

Well, dams and reactors only modify that state

[jaunty nymph]

dockyards, civs, and mils consume it

[polar jasper]

By lowering power requirement

Dams should boost adjacent states as well

Imagine 8 coal can power like 30 factories

Would that be fine

[jaunty nymph]

i gtg back to work, but a coal system is utterly horrible and unnecessary to fix the unlimited industry

[fallen zenith]

What it does it consume though. Bcs coal doesn't turn to power by itself

[polar jasper]

It is a scale thing with coal, which I do know

They said so

[jaunty nymph]

italy has 2 in sardinia, out of 56 facs, only is around 20%, however we dont know the rest of itsly

[jaunty nymph]

what??

im going back to worl

work

coal system dumb

[fallen zenith]

Nvm I misread the dev diary. But its good to have a way to limit growth.

[jaunty nymph]

i agree however coal and more resources isnt the way to do so

[fallen zenith]

How'd you implement it then? Having lower province limits screws over smaller countries

[jaunty nymph]

province size + manpower

[fallen zenith]

Like factories consuming manpower?

[jaunty nymph]

a form of it yes

[fallen zenith]

Idk. Manpower is supposed to signify your conscripts. But having it base off province population might be interesting. I feel like it'd still hurt small countries tho

They already struggle with low factory count

[jaunty nymph]

there are pops u don’t use in any of the conscription classes. bc u obviously can conscript every person or u suffer. its alreadu shown via conscription laws

[jaunty nymph]

small countries still do often have quiet a bit of mp, and it would prevent places like belgium infinitely pumping divs

it could balance the allies aswell bc the minors cant have 1 morbillion troops

[fallen zenith]

Wdym?

[jaunty nymph]

out of 2 Million men in a state, even on scraping the barrel, ur not conscripting all 2 Million men

[fallen zenith]

Yes but small countries aren't the problem. The problem is majors growing exponentially in factory count

[fallen zenith]

Yea. But conscripts are for your army, navy and air. Not for factories

[jaunty nymph]

they do most of the fighting, so they will overtime if they dont play correctly, start effecting their economy more if they lose to many units

[jaunty nymph]

2M population

not conscripts

[fallen zenith]

If you limited it by state belgium would have max factories in 37 and be completely stuck

[fallen zenith]

Yea. Make factories use state pop instead of manpower

[jaunty nymph]

thats what im saying

[jaunty nymph]

belgium with 37 factories can do a ton of damage if ur a player

[fallen zenith]

Yes but you said manpower

[fallen zenith]

In 37. Not with 37 factories

They'd max out at like 20 total

[jaunty nymph]

“2 M in a state”

[fallen zenith]

And thats civs + mills

[fallen zenith]

"manpower"

[jaunty nymph]

it depends on the rate

[jaunty nymph]

yeah…. a group of people… man power…..

[jaunty nymph]

and as i said earlier state

like wyoming shouldnt have 15 slots

its wyoming

[fallen zenith]

It was just confusing bcs manpower is already a thing in game

[jaunty nymph]

maybe like 3

4

[fallen zenith]

Ok true. But belgium is very urbanized

[jaunty nymph]

belgium with 2 states with quite a bit of ppl

can have a ton

[fallen zenith]

So it has more room for factories

[jaunty nymph]

yes

exactly

[fallen zenith]

But there wouldn't be a way to increase state pops

So you're just stuck

Like once you max out a state thats it

[jaunty nymph]

womens working rights, children working rights, etc etc

[fallen zenith]

With power you can import coal

[rain thunder]

im not opposed to a energy system, and i like the idea of higher mobilization laws not being strictly better
im just concerned its gonna be really tedious and click intensive at the end of the day

[jaunty nymph]

shifts, i guess aswell

[jaunty nymph]

thats what im saying

more micro

i dont wanna have more clicks related to my economy

[rain thunder]

right

the trade window is already obnoxious enough

[fallen zenith]

Well that depends on how they implement it

[jaunty nymph]

if it’s automatic then wtv but having automatic trade in hoi, with their trading and building system, is not a good idea

[fallen zenith]

Bcs they're targeting late game specifically

[jaunty nymph]

it still majorly effects every portion of the game

italy starts in a deficit

italy nerf

[fallen zenith]

So they could balance it so you'll only have to trade at the end

[rain thunder]

i wouldnt mind some trade window automation
its not fun clicking the slider up a notch once a few mils finish up

[fallen zenith]

They've already said those numbers are for testing

[rain thunder]

"automatically balance out deficit"

[fallen zenith]

To show off

[jaunty nymph]

idk if thats possible

[fallen zenith]

The mechanics

[jaunty nymph]

you still have to continuously go into that window throughout the game even more now

like for eco cap, a resource isnt s good idea

[rain thunder]

some rudimentary system where it buys resources once you go into the red
they seem to be implementing a lot of such automation to EU5 so i imagine it cant be too hard to implement

[jaunty nymph]

with how hoi trade and building system works

it would be difficult due to it directly effecting ur building

ppl would get mad that now they cant build bc it auto traded for all the coal

[rain thunder]

ok how about this

use the existing systme but improve the UI

give me one "balance trade" for all resources, as opposed to going into each resource to press the clipboard button

cause right now its a bit annoying having to open trade, open the tab, click trade, click clipboard, click okay

this could all be simplified

[jaunty nymph]

very much so but the good thing abt it

is being able to prioritize

like i need steel for guns but cant afford to trade for lets say rubber

[stable tusk]

I hope there will be an option for countries that have a lot of oil to be able to use oil to do the energy stuff instead of coal

[jaunty nymph]

so i wont trade rubber till im able to

[jaunty nymph]

eitherway i hate the energy system

i do not want to have to micro the energy for my economy

if i wanna eco micro, i go play vic

i play hoi to war sim

[fallen zenith]

We don't know how it'll affect the game though. The screenshots they gave were examples

[jaunty nymph]

i want less clicks that arent related to the armu

army

[fallen zenith]

And I don't think importing coal will matter until late game

[jaunty nymph]

it gives buffs and slight debuffs(iirc)

but even if it doesnt give debuffs

[fallen zenith]

Wdym?

[jaunty nymph]

some nations naturally lacking it, are just basically nerfed

[jaunty nymph]

how much coal percentage u have to factory

100% 75%

etc

[fallen zenith]

Yea if you have 75% power you'll have 75% output

[jaunty nymph]

bc now they gotta trade for it

lessening their factories making them WAY weaker

like i dont want to have to worry abt that

at all

bc u have to worry abt it now

lowering the limit in states with low pop/state size ratio i feel is WAY better

than having to actually worry and micro energy

i absolutely dread the energy system and is why i never play certain mods

[fresh cedar]

I’m just reserving judgement for future diaries. Worst case scenario if it’s terrible I’ll just mod it out

[jaunty nymph]

real

thats what me n my friends have planned if they use coal for energy system

[wind peak]

Coal ????

[jaunty nymph]

sadly

[subtle gorge]

Hearts of Iron Coal IV

[solid gyro]

THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY FIXING SHAKEN NOT STIRRED

[polar jasper]

Holy crap

I think I am going to do a Spain game now and do the 5 coup ones with it

[fallen zenith]

Hearts of steel IV

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-17997916878979753001

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

[subtle gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-minecraft-mc-movie-mc-steve-gif-6288532294241032174

[astral pewter]

Coal hmmm never thought i'd see that in vanilla

[pearl beacon]

When can we expect the new dlc / update??

[jaunty nymph]

coal 💔

i dont need to worry abt my industry in my war sim

[polar jasper]

They are planning to adjust naval missions and add in energy currently

[polar jasper]

I don't really have any concern if as a minor I just trade like 1 factory to get all the coal I need

Because it scales with size from what they said

[pearl beacon]

So around 1 week?

[pearl beacon]

Also when is faction dynamicss??

[polar jasper]

Heck no

It is going to be a while

A long while

[dense gale]

im gonna be honest i dont think the coal changes is that great

it diminishes the values of civ even more

because theres no point building more civ for more mil

when u have a mil cap

plus early mils scale better

this will just force everyone to build mils day 1 regardless of eco laws

[long ibex]

Talking about resources... What's up with this?

[stable tusk]

Oh no... they're making Germany even more historically accurate (the panzers will run out of fuel in the middle of Barbarossa and soldiers will have to start pushing them forwards)

[manic saffron]

Day 3 of asking for romania to get decent amount of coal and a rework

[hollow coral]

Definitely got to cough up some bucks beforehand

[manic saffron]

I got...4 euros

[hollow coral]

good luck

but balkan rework would be 🔥

[neon ore]

I pray for a Yugoslavia rework🙏

[hollow coral]

they gotta add voices to them definitely

[neon ore]

Gota give my boy tito a maddd focus tree

[hollow coral]

i dont care about controversys

[neon ore]

Its a ww2 game my g

[hollow coral]

make my boy tito back to his prime

[long ibex]

I guess no including Albania in By Blood Alone means that they leave it to a hypotethical Country Pack of YUG, CZE, ALB.... But low low priority.

[neon ore]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[stoic moat]

dont forget luxembourg

[hearty blade]

Romania and egypt too

[hallow pivot]

When 17.0?

[long ibex]

Romania yes! Egypt in this pack doesn't fit. But in Arabian pack maybe!

[hearty blade]

Egypt fits with albania

They can call it ‘foreign rulers’

Or ‘rulers of foreign lands’ cuz romanian king is german