latest-updates

[fresh cedar]

And maybe the Danish buff would actually just be a steady stream of provisions

So minors could actually keep majors afloat

Like Argentine Beef Trade, Danish produce etc

[brittle venture]

Updating old trees would make the game actually functional

Dont go too far

[fresh cedar]

Nah those already exist

[brittle venture]

Thats like going down an ahist tree; unrealistic

[fresh cedar]

I’m saying they could be integrated into that system

Like they give consumer goods and supply buffs now

[brittle venture]

I should be a dev fr id come up with the worst update ideas

[pseudo wing]

dont need to be a dev for you to hold that title

i mean what

[brittle venture]

W

[fresh cedar]

Atleast he isn’t being paid for it

[brittle venture]

Im being paid to be here fr

[fresh cedar]

Aren’t you paying to be here technically 😂

[brittle venture]

Nah im being paid more than i spend

[fresh cedar]

W?

[pseudo wing]

when you are being paid 0 dollars for 0 dollars of expenses, its easy to see it that way

[fresh cedar]

But has paradox dlc

[brittle venture]

I forgot how much i get per month i think its like 2K or so smh

Bad memory moment

[pseudo wing]

I moreso meant that it costs 0 dollars to be in the discord and helpers are volunteers

so 0+0 is still 0

:p

[brittle venture]

but im being paid, just not by pdx :3

[pseudo wing]

then where's my cut?

ur living in my basement after all

[brittle venture]

i think they hate you :(

[pseudo wing]

[brittle venture]

Yeah its rude

[stuck locust]

For short, a whole overhaul

[icy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

[icy nimbus]

brazil rework when?

[thick edge]

The new fuel being provisions or bullets would be so funny

[fresh cedar]

For me a whole overhaul is like diplomatic too. I’m sure the US will get attention because Japan is being updated, but I doubt it’ll be an overhaul. More like a touch up

[polar jasper]

US now more likely to have the pacific fleet move its home base from San Diego to Pearl Harbor if Japan removes Marco Polo spirit

Trust, it's going to happen

If not, I will be upset

[icy nimbus]

when furries?

[fresh cedar]

So Pearl Harbor will actually happen

[fresh cedar]

Already in game, can be led by bears

[icy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-old-school-yes-awesome-gif-5531028

[dapper fjord]

now we need a panda to be a leader :v

[low plover]

Im so hyped about the new fuel announced tomorrow

[subtle gorge]

If it's wheat will it be whole grain or will it be multigrain?

[low plover]

Probably whole grain, multigrain is for patch later

multigrain is faction contribution

[subtle gorge]

True

The more you conquer Ukraine the more wheat you make

[low plover]

yes, the wheat meta will be early conq Ukraine

to feed ur people

[subtle gorge]

Imagine India 💀

What if it's electricity

[low plover]

imagine the National Focus: "Wheat(ake) what we need": Gains conquer casus belli on Ukraine.

[subtle gorge]

Will it be renewable or come from fossil fuels, or solar panels

Lmfao

[low plover]

electricity would be really interesting

especially if it expands beyond ww2

[subtle gorge]

Mozzarella sticks as fuel 🔥

[low plover]

cattlery meta

cows (like me) will be produced in meat factories

[subtle gorge]

+5% division speed +10% soft attack +5% organisation

Mozzarella sticks 🔥

[low plover]

yea

[keen yoke]

Would be interesting to see how it plays into like Iraqs electrification focus

[low plover]

ftw

[keen yoke]

Italian exclusive tech

[low plover]

Electricity works well in other mods, so should work in vanilla as well

But could be implemented in many ways

[brittle venture]

Electricity or grain

Both would be good

[subtle gorge]

I mean if you think about it

[brittle venture]

If its anything else im reddit downvoting the DLC

[subtle gorge]

You can build a dam as Germany via a focus

Why shouldn't it produce electricity

[low plover]

Political Advisor: Charles Edison (+10% electricity plant building speed)

to be nerfed down to +5%

+7% electricity output

in states with min. Lvl 2 infrastructure

lol

[subtle gorge]

Tho ngl I feel like electricity would make more sense for construction

Need electricity to keep the civs and mils running

[low plover]

yes and tools branch

or at least boost them

[subtle gorge]

So either grain or mozzarella sticks idk lol

[low plover]

ye

or whole wheat for ecology aware nations

[subtle gorge]

Refineries to make white flour 🔥

And make b r e a d 🍞

[nimble torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-bread-ok-tiktok-gif-23253974

[keen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-bread-ok-tiktok-gif-23253974

[fresh cedar]

Provisions let’s gooo

[fresh cedar]

Electricity could work well with the dams and reactors.

[coral drift]

@pseudo wing, wanted to talk about the recent news

So you guys has the UTC+5 to 12 already covered, right?

[noble isle]

Isn't that meme just like the "hostage" one?

The guy witn his GF and a nerf gun?

[pseudo wing]

I believe I have someone for that time zone but more wouldn't hurt, I am also looking for moderators in north America as some of my American moderators have had life obligations come up and had to step down for now

[coral drift]

Ah okay, thanks for the info.

[brittle venture]

I would apply but i joined the team recently and positions of power are scary

[pseudo wing]

Banned

[brittle venture]

oh im sorry chak :(

[pseudo wing]

You can't apologise, I'm the Canadian here smh

[polar jasper]

Canadians after committing atrocities: "Sorry about that, got a little bit carried away there."

[pseudo wing]

Every time Canada joins a war, there are so many more rules afterwards for some reason.... but I won't get into that because it would probably break the rules

[silent prism]

I love that

#CanadaNumberOne

One of my favourite nations to play

[fallen zenith]

Join us >:)

[brittle venture]

Scary

Also idk how to fill out the time table thing

[fallen zenith]

Just tick all the boxes for the time/day when you're usually active

[brittle venture]

My sleep schedule has been changing every month or so its one of the main reasons i cant get an irl job 💔

Horrific

Ig ill just fill out the common ones

[fresh cedar]

Does it pay 😂

[vast shore]

When do you guys think the new DLC comes out

Im banking on August roughly

[vast shore]

Spoken like a true hoi4 player

[fresh cedar]

I’m also guessing August or September

[pseudo wing]

No sir, its a volunteer thing

appreciate the question though

[fresh cedar]

Lamesauce

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/whoevers-willing-to-do-that-is-the-real-hero-gabriel-iglesias-gabe-iglesias-mr-iglesias-youre-the-real-hero-gif-17674410

[thick edge]

U do get payed

But u get payed 0 dollars

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/trabajandoenlamina-workinginthemine-simpson-jimbo-esclavo-gif-21321081

[pseudo wing]

Yup, I appreciate my team very much so for helping me out here, but I don't force them to be here 24/7

It's why I look for people wanting to help out in their own time zones and try to cover it as much as possible

[pseudo wing]

No no, I take your money, chris

but only yours

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

I would not want to be moderator for 1 big reason I was one on a medium sized server for a few months and found the job tourture

I resigned and got someone more willing to fill in my slot

[digital pumice]

harsh quotas

[brittle venture]

Thats a lot of money

[low plover]

when's new dev corner??

[brittle venture]

Today

[rotund cargo]

SOON™

[thick edge]

Oooooooh

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[visual willow]

Can we put children in the coal mines

[thick edge]

Literally my first thought

[digital pumice]

wake up cuh

new dev diary out

[fallen zenith]

Damn I predicted it

Electricity

[digital pumice]

well i mean obv they're not adding food

so people can't simulate genocides

[fallen zenith]

True but people did also speculate on seperate manpower pools

[quasi harbor]

"me purposely encircling the entire population of a country over and over again to make sure i get them all"

[digital pumice]

looks like taking war economy right away won't be optimal anymore

[thick edge]

Wait will coal make civ greeding harder

[fallen zenith]

Good. And just spamming factories won't work either

[quasi harbor]

Thats actually good, because it was a bit stupid that the ideo of war economy = better economy

[fallen zenith]

Everything industrial yea

[thick edge]

NOOOOOO

Now I will be back as I google coal sources in 1936

[fallen zenith]

Lol

[cursive sparrow]

"thermodynamics" when HOI4 violates every law of physics is cray

[fallen zenith]

I do hope there'll be a way to share power between factions if you have a land border

[quasi harbor]

That would be cool

[stoic moat]

will coal become a new prerequisite for autarky or will it stay as it currently is

[fading walrus]

Haven’t seen you in a while

[fallen zenith]

They haven't said

Its a pretty short dev diary

[visual willow]

I've been more active in thr vic3 chat and haven't played much hoi4 lately

[fading walrus]

Probably I mean Germany had alot of coal

[fallen zenith]

Vicky 3 is good ngl

[fading walrus]

Same but I’m playing a ton of Rome total war

[thick edge]

Next we need depleting resources

[fallen zenith]

No.

[fading walrus]

Im playing as the Scipii

[silent flame]

nah that would make the game too complex on the eco side. As much as I would enjoy it, too much diverts from the actual war part of it

[digital pumice]

i'm guessing there will be ways to get more coal

or maybe refine it for more output

that would be fun

[visual willow]

Hoi4 is a bit in the short side for that though

[digital pumice]

you could import the crude ressource and refine it

[thick edge]

Me too

[digital pumice]

also no more ai spamming factories

[visual willow]

Wonder if oil refineries will start demanding coal

[digital pumice]

so you wont have allies with 2k mils late game

[quasi harbor]

Mines can take decades to deplete

[silent flame]

this could potentially help with the whole demobilising the economy thing that they wanted to extend past the end of the war into smaller conflicts

[digital pumice]

now we just need a way to limit ai division count

and we could maybe have a playable late game

at last

[quasi harbor]

Yes, i hate seeing Germany get 600 divs

[silent flame]

add food next fr

[sterile robin]

Finally, the importance of the Silesian coal!

[fallen zenith]

The game was never intended to go past 48

[stoic moat]

maybe even reduced population in states related to casualties

[digital pumice]

well, the game does add some content for post war

and from what i've seen they've been aiming to extend into cold war era

[fallen zenith]

So yea there's a reason late game is so messed up. It was never meant to be balanced past 48

[sterile robin]

But I believe they did recently say they wanted to improve the post-war experience, right?

[fallen zenith]

Post war. Not cold war

[quasi harbor]

Maybe just lock the later increasing manpower laws to casualties taken

[fallen zenith]

So from 45-48 possibly

Which yea would be good

[digital pumice]

thats when the game starts getting unbearable

so these changes would do it good

[fallen zenith]

Yep. But I don't ever think we'll get cold war stuff

[golden thistle]

MEoW

[sterile robin]

yeah, that makes sense, unless they really makes the nukes realistic and add other political systems, there is no reason for a cold war in game

[fallen zenith]

Since cold war is literally sitting around while nothing happens simulator

[digital pumice]

one can only hope 🙏

i mean they added special projects

including cold war era tech

[sterile robin]

yeah it would require entirely new political/influence systems to be worthwhile

[fallen zenith]

There's no point in a cold war anyways. Like not much happened. Some slight proxy wars and political stuff but HOI4 is focussed a lot on wars

[sterile robin]

tbh when I first saw all the "reach 1948" achievements I did think it would go beyond 1948 easy

[digital pumice]

what about a cold war gone hot scenario?

[fallen zenith]

Everything in game leads to war. Civs to mills to get more divisions for war

[digital pumice]

that could work well

[sterile robin]

yeah and a lot of the players may not even be interested

[digital pumice]

well look at the new faction dynamics they're introducing

i say it could be possible

[fallen zenith]

Ok maybe. But I feel like thats a bit too extensive. I mean most games go alt hist in 37

[stoic moat]

if you want a cold war experience just play cold war IC it has nice content for some nations

[thick edge]

Next we need iron and bauxite as a resource

[digital pumice]

we're slowing turning into black ice

[fallen zenith]

Like adding content that'd only affect 5% of games feels redundant

[digital pumice]

and i like it

[sterile robin]

oh for sure, hoi4 is almost never fully historic anyway, but yeah, the new faction mechanics are awesome

[silent flame]

I mean there are some interesting conflicts like france vietnam they could probably explore

[digital pumice]

you do have a point

[thick edge]

And I am playing black ice right now too

[digital pumice]

but i'm sure it could work

[fading walrus]

Germany had alot of coal irl

[thick edge]

I don’t want it too happen

[thick edge]

Silesia go brrr

[digital pumice]

god help you 🙏

[fading walrus]

Which was vital for their synthetics

[fallen zenith]

Yea. I'd much rather they add focussed to everything that could affect every game instead of cold war that would only happen in like 2% of games

[sterile robin]

that's true, and as we get farther into the future, more and more path needs to be fleshed out, which is a lot

[thick edge]

I can use black ice resources to estimate coal sources in the update

Genius

[stoic moat]

i play soviet union and china in this mod thats all 🙏 (help me)

[hearty blade]

the thing with hoi4 is.

The focus tree leads u up to ur goal which is usual conquest or joining ww2.

after ww2 there are no dedicated focuses

[sterile robin]

I'd say this coal update is one of those as well, finally the industry is not just shift clicking civs and mils in a state and assigning 150 factories to infantry weapons

[hearty blade]

so cold war is impossible

[digital pumice]

what i mean is that it would only be beneficial to optimize late game experience, through limiting ai divisions and factories

[hearty blade]

with how the game is currently set up to work

[fallen zenith]

Yea. Not many people play past 48. I do think fixing 1945-48 would be good though. Late game rn is a bit if a problem

[digital pumice]

there are some post ww2 focuses

[fallen zenith]

Yea exactly. Its good

[stoic moat]

now that i think about it thought will you be able to chance percentage that each type of factory receives energy ? like if i play germany instead of having for exemple 30% i can change it to 10 or 15 since i dont do a navy game

[fallen zenith]

I feel like there'll be a priority system

Like fuel

[sterile robin]

its not just for late game too, it would make mid game better as well. Because occupying a country while at war on two fronts gotta put a lot of strain on the economy.

[fallen zenith]

But we'll see

[dense veldt]

coal and energy-
OH NO, IT'S TURNING INTO BLACK ICE

[digital pumice]

i'm just happy they're reworking this stuff

[sterile robin]

I wonder if they will add food as well

[fallen zenith]

Nah. It'll change early game setup too. Adding an extra resource to manage

So it'll slow the game down as a whole

[digital pumice]

well how i see it is, the ai wont spam factories as much

so less factories for the ai

means less lag

[sterile robin]

and divisions, that's one of the big killers

The sheer terror of seeing the USSR have like 660 divisions...

[fallen zenith]

Yes. But also players can't just instantly go war eco

Because war eco will increase power consumption

[dense veldt]

coal is reminding me of bice as it is

[fallen zenith]

It'll change both early, mid and late game

[digital pumice]

and for the better i hope

[sterile robin]

exactly.
Historically iirc Germany didn't even go into war economy until Goebbel's Totaler Kreig speech because of issues like this

[deep apex]

Let’s gooooo, energy is here

[sterile robin]

I wonder if having factories run on low efficiency also affects stability

[fallen zenith]

Well not yet

[deep apex]

True that

[fallen zenith]

Reduces reliability of the output equipment...

[deep apex]

But great to look forward to, hopefully

[dense veldt]

imagine how the resource changes will affect the japan rework

[spark plinth]

i wonder if this will also give the nuclear reactors from GOT a new use aswell

[fallen zenith]

Definitely

[sterile robin]

reduced civ efficiency loses war support and stability
reduced mil efficiency loses reliability and factory output

[spark plinth]

and it wont be long until someone also adds oil power

[fallen zenith]

The only issue I see is another thing for new players to manage will cause issues. There's already enough spinning plates as is

[dense veldt]

There's got to be a charcoal option ngl, like synthetic fuel

[sterile robin]

That is SO true. I thought that when they added the designers and special projects and stuff. But I feel like energy is pretty straightforward tbh

[broken horizon]

Damm coal and energy we gonna get before food

[fallen zenith]

Designers and special projects are dlc

[digital pumice]

yet people still struggle with them

[spark plinth]

tbf i dont think paradox wants to think about how the players are going to starve populations-

[dense veldt]

if i have to balance food like in bice i'm going to crash out

[sterile robin]

ohh right, i've lost track of the base game now 💀

[spark plinth]

i dont get how people would struggle with special projects but designers i get

[fallen zenith]

Lol. Energy seems like it'd be a part of the free update.

[digital pumice]

well they have no idea what special projects are good so thats a start

[spark plinth]

we dont need a holodomor option

[sterile robin]

if you are familiar with everything else then special projects are just one more thing to understand
but imagine for a new player playing germany seeing like 20 icons

[broken horizon]

Tbh they could make it like civs make food and all

[sterile robin]

having to manage industry and military and politics... and then there's the midget submarine.

[fallen zenith]

They're also not necesary to play. You can win the game and just ignore them completely

[dense veldt]

imagine implementing food with danish produce in the game. Denmark better get a lot of wheat resources or those trade deals are going to suck up their grain rq

[fallen zenith]

Same with spy agency

[low plover]

Special Projects are great for RP

[fallen zenith]

But designers you kinda need to build a good army/air force

[sterile robin]

exactly!!

[spark plinth]

midwest usa corn time

[digital pumice]

nah, some of them are straight up op

[low plover]

Military engineer vehicle

op af

[sterile robin]

but ive personally never used the tank/naval design system

[pseudo wing]

Okay peeps, give me a thumbs up or down, how we liking the Dev Corner?

[low plover]

luv it

[fallen zenith]

Its good

[low plover]

but no more 1.4k factories as sweden lol

[sterile robin]

Absolutely excellent, y'all are going in the right direction.

[fallen zenith]

Wow Chak hates the dev diary smh

[spark plinth]

i would say talk about how its gonna be integrated with other dlc,but other than that its good

[dense veldt]

The amount of civs America would gain from people trading for grain
actually having to defend the atlantic shipping lines to make it work

[sterile robin]

oh damn, trade interdiction will be even more op with food implemented

[pseudo wing]

Inb4 we start an Ikea sub-resource just for Sweden

[digital pumice]

imagine being able to starve the uk as germany with submarine warfare

[fallen zenith]

That'll probably come soon. I feel like this is just a quick thing to gauge player reaction and get ideas on what people want from it/how they'd want it to be implemented

[low plover]

sounds great!!

[fallen zenith]

Ikea industrial company when?

[spark plinth]

"Commandant! we raided an american shipping vessal! we couldnt find any weapons...BUT WE GOT CORN!"

[sharp spade]

Do you think there will be special operations to destroy an enemies coal mine?

[spark plinth]

build tanks mid fight

[fallen zenith]

+reliability and production speed lol

[spark plinth]

i mean,its a resource

so just use the ones already in game

[sterile robin]

... but the soldiers have to build the tanks on the battlefield themselves?

[fallen zenith]

Out of plywood yes

[dense veldt]

only available by event in 1943/post war

[spark plinth]

bob semple aah tank-

[sterile robin]

🫡

[dense veldt]

Ikea lowkey started as some guys in sheds last time i checked, if anything it'll be a flavor event like lego in denmark

[low plover]

This game just keeps getting better and better!! 😄

[sterile robin]

There's LEGO IN HOI4?

[spark plinth]

so did AWP

[spark plinth]

max out the welfare side for it

[sterile robin]

oooh very interesting.

[sterile robin]

i've probably seen this event but "leg godt" definitely flew over my head

[dense veldt]

New Companies are established
As we thrive from our neutrality, some folks have learned how to make furniture building nice and easy...

Ikea!

something like that to introduce ikea to sweden

[digital pumice]

but ikea was founed in 1983

unlike lego which was founded in ww2

[sterile robin]

what

[dense veldt]

i thought it was 1943-

[digital pumice]

oh wait

my bad

[sterile robin]

damn... I was hoping for like 1948 latest

[spark plinth]

nope

[digital pumice]

it is 1943

[spark plinth]

yeah lmao

[dense veldt]

yup, knew my limited knowledge of ikea would come in handy

[fallen zenith]

Soldier steps in lego
-1 manpower

[spark plinth]

"his brother comes to avenge him"
+1 manpower

[fallen zenith]

A good twist on the vase event

[dense veldt]

Special Technology unlocked: Plastic caltrops

[stoic moat]

make lego a mio for denmark and give it like +20% division recovery rate def not op

[low plover]

omg Partial Mobilization will be new meta

Partial Mobilization > War Eco

time to reprogram the brain

[dense veldt]

that would be such a meme option for denmark in millenium dawn tho, weaponizing lego bricks for homeland defense as like, plastic caltrops.

[low plover]

Lego Brick mines

Infantry movement penalty

tires blowing on trucks, you name it

[spark plinth]

i mean

Lego did invest in a thing to make houses

Imagine it as a tech to grant entrenchment

[dense veldt]

back to the coal thing, you think there can be a charcoal tech like they did with synthetic fuel? I mean, most synthetic plants did essentially make their fuel out of coal after all.

[spark plinth]

it could also lead to Coal liquefaction,which was a huge thing for germany

[sterile robin]

maybe with limits that it can only be built in areas with forests? iirc charcoal is made by burning wood so libya making its own charcoal in the desert would make no sense

[dense veldt]

that would make sense, yeah.

oh god imagine implementing wood as a resource

as in firewood to help heat homes

[spark plinth]

engineer companies,not for stats,but for the firewood

[outer whale]

Ok so you need coal now to run your industry or you die now

Hope hoi4 devs know that limburg has a lot of coal reserves

[outer whale]

Like more than alsace loren

[rain thunder]

so you build a ton of mils on war eco, go into energy deficit, then demobilize

[pure schooner]

U play bice now?

Hows it

[brittle venture]

Theyre bringing bice to hoi4

[torn dawn]

@fallen zenith you guys are going to update the tutorial to teach us how to use this stuff right?

[brittle venture]

Chatkat is a discord mod, regardless devs dont generally answer questions here

[torn dawn]

I’ve noticed devs don’t answer many questions anymore in general.

[brittle venture]

They never did lol

Only daniel used to on streams a bit when he was a lead dev, years ago

Generally its all in announcements

[thick edge]

Horrible

(Sheep told me too)

[pure schooner]

What

Interesting

Let me read it

[fallen zenith]

They do on the forums

[brittle venture]

Ohh ok

All 3 people reading the forum replies fr

[rotund cargo]

?

[pure schooner]

Ok so i read the dev corner

What is this

I read the word thermodynamics and the first thing i think of is my physics and i thought adiabatic processes and thermal cycles were going to be added

Then i read the coal part

Its too much like bice

If people want to have coal and all that they would play it and other mods

This is just extra bloat

Its not worth the effort especially for new people to learn when they already have enough to start properly having fun

[brittle venture]

I think its good

[pure schooner]

Why

[brittle venture]

Hot take

[digital pumice]

peak 🔥

[brittle venture]

Possibly less factory output and more resources

If its more factory output then rn, its bad

It should make going big on mils forever harder too

[digital pumice]

no, its a good way to stop people from blindly spamming factories

[pure schooner]

But if u wanted less fac output there are better ways to do it

[digital pumice]

and going into war eco right away won't be as optimal

so it makes sense

[pure schooner]

Whats wrong with that

[digital pumice]

it adds another layer to your build up

[pure schooner]

Its a war game u need to rapidly industrialise

[brittle venture]

Its a strategy game

They want you to think

[digital pumice]

i think hoi4 is a bit more than a war game

[brittle venture]

They dont want you to play braindeadedly

[thick edge]

Hoi4 is just clicking simulator

Not much thinking

[brittle venture]

And thats why you lose so often

Smh

[pure schooner]

Also theyre going too much into the industrial part

Also

[pure schooner]

Less ic

[digital pumice]

i dont think the coal mechanics are that bad

[brittle venture]

Yes thats good

Factories are crazy unrealistic OP

[digital pumice]

its not like they're adding millenium dawn mechanics when it comes to depth

[fallen zenith]

I mean its one of the most important parts of war

[digital pumice]

we needed a way to cap factories

[fallen zenith]

Making sure you have the industrial capacity to support your army

[pure schooner]

Means that games could be more boring

Plus think of comp mp

This is gonna wreck balancing

Sov does not need another debuff

[brittle venture]

No its meant to still keep minor IC similar, mostly debuff majors

[pure schooner]

They die too early

[brittle venture]

Germany would have one too

[pure schooner]

Ger had coal

[brittle venture]

If they go mils too much

[pure schooner]

They had enough that they wanted oil from it

It would wreck sov

The entirety of balancing is moving heavily axis

[torn dawn]

It feels like the gap between questions and answers in terms of quantity on the forums has been widening. But that may be the volume of questions as well

[brittle venture]

Cant wait for the allies major update next

[pure schooner]

Thats far far away

Jap + navy + this is a lot

And jap is axis

[brittle venture]

Like a year?

[pure schooner]

Probably more idk im not a dev

[brittle venture]

I think itll be cool

[thick edge]

I’m willing to give Coal a chance though

I have a feeling I won’t like it

But won’t hate it

[brittle venture]

Look it sounds kinda unrefined and ehh rn

[pure schooner]

I need to see more

[brittle venture]

But i think it will be cool

[digital pumice]

they probably are going to consider this

right?

right?

[pure schooner]

Im not happy with what it looks like

But i need to see more

[brittle venture]

Rn not much is shown

[pure schooner]

No

[brittle venture]

But reading the concepts of less factory output

[pure schooner]

They have a dislike for anything meta

[brittle venture]

Big fan

[pure schooner]

Why

[brittle venture]

Less output is good

[digital pumice]

well its more of a balancing thing

germany is already op as it is

[pure schooner]

No i alr said this

This update will tank sov

Ger will be less affected

Way less

[digital pumice]

yeah i know

[pure schooner]

And sov alr loses early

[digital pumice]

i'm just commenting on what you said

[pure schooner]

Oh

[fallen zenith]

Chemist you're making assumptions based off very little information

[pure schooner]

Ok

[fallen zenith]

And assuming the worst

[pure schooner]

here

Thats why i said i need to see more

[digital pumice]

at least there will be somewhat of a soft limit to ai factory spam

[torn dawn]

There have been issues with Sov in most of the recent major updates. If the AI is playing it and you play as a minor nation, Sov loses, every time

[fallen zenith]

Yes but you're still making assumptions

All we've seen is factories need electricity now. And that economy laws affect power consumption

[pure schooner]

Hmm i read it again

Some stuff

Economy of the Scale​
However the base Energy demand is not everything, as each Factory you own will also introduce a little extra scaling cost to the demand per factory, so a small, undeveloped minor country will be able to sustain their few factories with a rather small amount of coal, while historically accurate Luxembourg spanning across Eurasia will require much more energy in order to effectively satisfy the ever hungry maw of their Industry.

Does extra scaling cost mean

More per next fac?

[brittle venture]

Yes

[pure schooner]

As in it increases more?

[brittle venture]

Probably because you need to move materiel or something

[fallen zenith]

Each extra factory costs more energy than the last

[pure schooner]

Why

[brittle venture]

So german debuff since they have "too many" mils

[fallen zenith]

Moving electricity is expensive

[pure schooner]

Economies of scale:

[brittle venture]

I know

[fallen zenith]

Especially large amounts of it

[pure schooner]

This is more of soviet than ger debuff

[fallen zenith]

To stop majors from just getting 1000 factories

[brittle venture]

Will be a debuff to all majors

[fallen zenith]

How do you know?

[brittle venture]

More mils = more debuffed

[digital pumice]

not really

one could say it hurts ger more than soviet

[fallen zenith]

Well it depends entirely on how it works

[digital pumice]

germany won't industrialize as quickly

[brittle venture]

They still will

They just will have bad factory energy debuffs post fall of france

Which tanks their output

[digital pumice]

well yeah but thats besides the point

[brittle venture]

Because more mils than sustianable

Sustainable*

[pure schooner]

Ger hist has more coal than sov

They had enough to want to make oil from it

Plus

Soviets die way too early now

[fallen zenith]

And? You don't know the mechanics. So it can go either way

[pure schooner]

So this makes them die earlier

[torn dawn]

Thing is even tanking their output when they have a ton of mils that have been pumping constantly for those four years will still allow an insane stockpile

[brittle venture]

If they add wood as another fuel tho

[pure schooner]

Generally devs put in resources historically

[brittle venture]

Or

[pure schooner]

Noo…

[brittle venture]

What i could see them doing

[fallen zenith]

Again thats an assumption

[brittle venture]

Is add coal in forest areas

[pure schooner]

Hmm it could represent peat

[brittle venture]

I could see them do that since they do it for chromium

Representing rare materials

[half solstice]

WE GETTING COAL????!?!??

[digital pumice]

thats not entirely true

[half solstice]

NO WAY

[brittle venture]

Hmm

I think the baltics could have a lot of "coal"

So the USSR needs them even more

[digital pumice]

generally the devs use a ressource that exists in the game already to simulate another ressource that doesnt

so maybe the ussr could get some "coal" to simulate wood as a fuel

[pure schooner]

Uve been waiting for it?

[fallen zenith]

Also assuming coal won't bethe only source of power

[half solstice]

No but its a cool thing

I still gotta read all the dev corner

[pure schooner]

Also i dislike this thing

[half solstice]

But from what i read

[pure schooner]

The extra energy cost thing

[half solstice]

I believe that this will weaken minor countries economies even more

[pure schooner]

When u mobilise the economy u get less consumer goods

[fallen zenith]

Why? Its to balance out people insta locking war eco with 0 downsides

[pure schooner]

U basically shift from consumer to war production

[torn dawn]

It’ll weaken the Soviets more too

[pure schooner]

Its production but diff type

[brittle venture]

Base production output

So pre modifiers

Massive deal

[pure schooner]

And u alr have more energy bcs u build more mils

[digital pumice]

currently there is no downside to mobilizing your economy

[half solstice]

Wait a sec i gotta read everything

[digital pumice]

which is not very realistic

[pure schooner]

Thats fine

But

This doesnt make sense

[brittle venture]

Wdym

[pure schooner]

U cant say that shifting prod

[thick edge]

Erm the downside is losing 150 political power!!!!!

[pure schooner]

Suddenly needs lots more energy

[brittle venture]

Less people working in the coal mines more in the military factory mines

[pure schooner]

U arent shifting mils

[fallen zenith]

Shifting production and increasing military factory build speed costs more power

[digital pumice]

not but theyll be producing way more and way faster

[fallen zenith]

The war eco stuff doesn't increase factory output. It increases mill build speed

[brittle venture]

New germany meta to go civ eco since MEFO kills ur consumers anyway

🔥

[half solstice]

What?

[fallen zenith]

Mefo doesn't kill your cg

[half solstice]

Luxembourg accros eurasia?

[torn dawn]

Historically that argument doesn’t make since since coal was still in high demand, it would have been high priority and the governments would have wanted to keep coal output high

[fallen zenith]

Its a joke

[brittle venture]

In some mp servers you cant get autark

[fallen zenith]

Thats mp rules

[half solstice]

Oh

[brittle venture]

Yeah but ur shifting people

[brittle venture]

Yes in mp is where meta is made

[fallen zenith]

True. But you can't say the devs should balance the game around arbitrary rulesets because people "think its better"

[torn dawn]

But like… it shouldn’t be shifting people

[brittle venture]

I know i was making a statement in jest

[torn dawn]

Because coal was important

[pure schooner]

Wdym it does

[brittle venture]

Civillian economy meta currently sounds absurd; it was meant to be humorous

[pure schooner]

But i need to see how they balance this

Before i talk more about it

[pure schooner]

It would be so painful

Less speed

[fallen zenith]

Its a multiplier. Thats also affected by other debuffs. You can get to like 30% cg while having 100% cg from mefo

[pure schooner]

Less ic

[brittle venture]

Relearning game dlc 🔥

Fun

[fallen zenith]

Yes it doubles your cg but you can reduce it in other ways

[pure schooner]

Thats what casey meant when he said it kills ur cg?

[pure schooner]

The relearn is ok

The less ic is….

[brittle venture]

It kills your cg if its 100%

[torn dawn]

The relearn is only ok if the game reteaches it

[pure schooner]

The part where new people have more to learn isnt good

[fallen zenith]

Its a global debuff for the most part

[brittle venture]

Before that its like nothingburger

[pure schooner]

More new players like refund game

[half solstice]

Ok i finished

[torn dawn]

Paradox has a bad history of not updating tutorials

[brittle venture]

Meh not really

[pure schooner]

Depends on how they distribute it

The coal

[brittle venture]

I think complexity is whats interesting about hoi over other games

[pure schooner]

And how they allow for other sources of energy

[half solstice]

So is it gonna be really bad for my industry if i got no coal?

[brittle venture]

Like accessible but complex

[half solstice]

From what i understand it will only provide more ic

[brittle venture]

It only makes older players more upset imo

[half solstice]

No more overproduction ig

[pure schooner]

Eh

Some dont mind

I like learning the new stuff

[brittle venture]

Same, but as in player drop

Itll mostly be older players

[fallen zenith]

Idk

[brittle venture]

While new players go wow this is cool

[fallen zenith]

Seeing the dev diary it'll be a minor addition

Like yea you'll need to account for it but I don't think it'll require much relearning

[brittle venture]

Think of the advertizement, you can make coal mines, funny joke

[pure schooner]

Does this mean that next major update is a navy japan energy update

[half solstice]

As long as it does not affect minor nations a lot its ok ig

[brittle venture]

Maybe more

Its crazy big

[fallen zenith]

Major DLC is already confimed to be asia

[brittle venture]

After nothingburger GDR

[fallen zenith]

Excuse me

[pure schooner]

As in like

[brittle venture]

Nothingburger in meta change

[half solstice]

Wym

[pure schooner]

Will the lump it all together

Or split

[fallen zenith]

Thats not a bad thing

[brittle venture]

GDR changed like none of the meta

Boring

[half solstice]

Gotterdamerung?

[fallen zenith]

GDR added tons of new content. Also you say no meta change when the entire germany tree got reworked

[brittle venture]

Ye

[frank gulch]

I EFFING LOOOOVVVVVEEEEEEE NEEEEEWWWWWW SYSSSSSSSTTTTTTEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSSSSSS

[fallen zenith]

Like MEFO update didn't change meta

[pure schooner]

What no it was a ger buff

[brittle venture]

Yes

[half solstice]

I hear people complain how the special project are most of the time useless

[pure schooner]

It definitely changed meta

[brittle venture]

But i mean div meta

[frank gulch]

I. LOVE. NEW. COMPLEX. GAME.
MECHANICS

[brittle venture]

Doctrine meta

[torn dawn]

Yeah, it added more whitewashing of Nazis to the game

[half solstice]

Gdr made germany way stronger

[torn dawn]

It did

[frank gulch]

GDR was a gem

[fallen zenith]

Lets not get into those topics here

[frank gulch]

Playing as germany made me feel like an evil dictator

Organizing my inner circle

[half solstice]

I mean the old german focus tree was not that bad

[frank gulch]

While nebelstrum plays

[brittle venture]

Germany is the major i hate the second most personally

[fallen zenith]

This is definitely better tho

[half solstice]

Yeah outdated

[brittle venture]

Tho i play it quite a bit but never for long

[half solstice]

It was outdated unlike italy or urss but not that bad

I still like it

[frank gulch]

GDR is one of my favorite dlcs

[fallen zenith]

you mean italy before or after BBA?

[pure schooner]

Gdr dlc is bad BUT gdr update is good

[frank gulch]

NSB will always reign supreme tho

[pure schooner]

The dlc added not much good stuff other than alt hist tree

Plus i dislike how they heavily debuffed nukes

[half solstice]

I mean the old german focus tree was outdated and far from the focus trees of italy and urss after their own update

[pure schooner]

But the update was good

[frank gulch]

Yea. I liked spamming nukes

[pure schooner]

They updated ger tree well

[brittle venture]

I like BBA because it added etíopia content

[pure schooner]

Not that

Its the effect of the nukes

[frank gulch]

I like BBA music

[fallen zenith]

Well yea. It was old

[frank gulch]

The italian music was great

[pure schooner]

The effect got changed to smth i would never use

[fallen zenith]

When did WTT come out?

[frank gulch]

Sometimes i listen to it in the car

[torn dawn]

GDR could have implemented the special projects better

WTT was 2018 I believe

[fallen zenith]

Bella ciao or AAT song (No I won't misspell it) are both amazing

[frank gulch]

https://youtu.be/C3u7yrKyRxs?si=JaXLhffll9TbLhai

:3

My fav

[half solstice]

I really REALLY hope japan gets the italy and germany treatment

In terms if focus tree rework

[fallen zenith]

Good choice

[frank gulch]

Im excited to see the schizo content for Japan

Declare Global Shogunate

[fallen zenith]

99% chance it will

[frank gulch]

I also hope china is included jn the DLC

[half solstice]

Whos gonna tell him

[torn dawn]

I hope that the naval gameplay will feel more engaging

[frank gulch]

I know how paradox is

https://tenor.com/view/cobson-soyjak-smoking-scary-dark-soy-gif-11486172598633092358

[half solstice]

China is in the rework iirc

[frank gulch]

oh thank god

I want to see

[torn dawn]

Some of China but not warlords

[half solstice]

China focus tree is not that bad too

[frank gulch]

japan
China
Siam
Manchugoku

In the DLC

Or

Manchugo

[half solstice]

Its just that china is full of stuff to fix

[frank gulch]

Or

Wgatever

[torn dawn]

It’s age is showing

[fallen zenith]

Yea

[half solstice]

One thing i really hope

For china

[fallen zenith]

Tbh I completely ignore the right side everytime I play China

[half solstice]

Is that it will still be able to make a NAP with japan

[frank gulch]

Playing as Mao is giga

Long live the people's republic

[half solstice]

The 3 principles of the thing?

[fallen zenith]

The diplomacy stuff

[half solstice]

Democracy nationalisn and another stuff

[half solstice]

Oh

Yeah its useless

[fallen zenith]

Like getting stuff from UK, US, germany and USSR

[half solstice]

I mean you gotta do that to get rid of a malus

[outer whale]

Water

[thick edge]

Won’t coal also F over China

[fallen zenith]

And nuclear

[torn dawn]

Probably

[half solstice]

I think china has coal

Ig

[thick edge]

Because of their free trade spirit and horrible economy

[half solstice]

Oh

Well china is getting a rework too

[thick edge]

I hope the free trade spirit is easier to remove

[outer whale]

C h i n a

[half solstice]

All china needs is time

If they got time

They become strong

[torn dawn]

With China getting reworked I hope that portion of the war becomes slower

Japan can just steamroll them without much effort as it stands

[half solstice]

If they buff china im never gonna play japan

[thick edge]

They will add the eight years of resistance map

[half solstice]

I wanna get dopamine lobotomy by encircling all thei units

[thick edge]

(There will be 500 warlords)

[fallen zenith]

They have manpower

So all you need is guns

[half solstice]

They got that army debuff

Which takes time to remove

[fallen zenith]

Doesn't take too long

[half solstice]

You need 100 army xp many times

[torn dawn]

It’s like 4-500 xp total it’s not too long

[half solstice]

Getting that army xp is the issue

[fallen zenith]

Not really

you have the warlords

[torn dawn]

sits behind Yalu river and encircles naval invasions

[half solstice]

You gotta rush those to invade them

If you wait too long its gonna be pain

[fallen zenith]

Yea that too

China can just turtle

You have a very short front. And naval invasions you can easily kill

[torn dawn]

I do think China and the warlords need more states

Paradox seems to not understand that he size of China isn’t exactly small

[half solstice]

Game lag go brrrrr

Wiat no

My bad

I thought you meant more warlords

[torn dawn]

No, just states

[half solstice]

Thats ok then

[torn dawn]

China is like 3rd or 4th largest nation by landmass but they don’t feel that big in game

[brittle venture]

They just said china, assuming all

[brittle venture]

You need the MIOs late game if you wanna do tanks and air but they suck :(

[brittle venture]

Maybe uncored states/events imo

[brittle venture]

Its about the same as the US

[fallen zenith]

China is a lot more population dense

[brittle venture]

Yes

[torn dawn]

It is but in game it feels smaller

[fallen zenith]

Wdym?

[brittle venture]

It is

Because its closer to the equator

Mercator projection

[torn dawn]

It’s been a few months since I had a meaningful game in Asia, but as Japan or China once the front makes it a state or two away from the coast, you advance/collapse much faster despite it being large areas of less developed land. Even with tons of troops defending. It’s like to nanjing/nanking you feel the distance from Beijing, but then from there to say their later capital it seems to speed by

[digital pumice]

yeah but the game doesnt take that into consideration

otherwise russia wouldnt be as big

its more of china being divided so it looks smaller

[torn dawn]

Idk how to explain it any better but it’s like how the first part of something takes forever then the halfway point and beyond is exponentially faster

[thick edge]

I wonder if this Chinese update will include this controversial country called “Tibet”

[solid gyro]

I feel like the best way to add it is either add a unique focus to all Chinese nations or two, have a system for nationalist and Communist China to have to core the warlords land included Tibet. Like what they did with India and the Princely States. Idk if that would solve it

[pure schooner]

Whens the predicted time for all these updates to be released

[torn dawn]

Who knows, with paradox being Swedish they have more holidays than working days in their calendars typically

[pure fulcrum]

Do you think the Civilian Nuclear Reactor will provide energy for factories?

[rotund cargo]

To mention what I wrote in the dev corner - Civilian Nuclear Reactor and Dams right now provide energy reduction consumption in the state; so if normally factories from that state would consume X amount of energy, now they will require Y% less, depending on the factor/values

e.g. if modifier would be -25%, and factories from state would normally eat 100 energy, now they would consume 75 energy. (random numbers are random, do not pay too much attention to the magnitudes/values mentioned)

[pure fulcrum]

What of Oil as an energy source, for the nations ingame that have tremendous oil reserves?

[digital pumice]

i knew this would also affect civilian reactors

finally they have somewhat of a use

[pure fulcrum]

Ahh nvm that, the first true fully oil powered power station came into operation in 1963

Could be a special project

[thick edge]

If there are dev corners

Where are the dev sides

[rain thunder]

i like this if nuclear tech maybe becomes more accessible and thus more "viable"

[undone kelp]

With Dams at least I feel like that should be make either all factories in that state consume no coal or at least have a hefty discount along the lines of -50% or -75%.

They produce a ton of electricity and so often are the centerpiece of industrial production areas. Canada’s aluminum industry for example is almost entirely hydroelectrically powered.

[pure fulcrum]

Speaking of dams, could there be a way to create them outside of a focus?

[long ibex]

Do you see in a screenshoot of the Dev Diary the icon of hands (diplomacy icon) next to the officer corps icon?

[thick edge]

Good eye

[fresh cedar]

Bruh it is coal 😭😭😭

[fresh cedar]

Game just got a lot more complex lol

[long ibex]

I guess (and I hope) they rework diplo tools (within factions rework and probably new diplo actions related to trade/resources).

[digital pumice]

probably just some dev debug stuff

[digital pumice]

from what i see the system looks very simplified

[fallen zenith]

Last dev diary they talked about faction rework

So it could very well be a tab for that

[digital pumice]

👀

[fallen zenith]

#hearts-of-iron-news message

Not last dev diary apparently but yea

[icy nimbus]

Will they ever make a dlc that allows you to design and build cities?

[thick edge]

What.

[rain thunder]

bro wants to build germania

[icy nimbus]

i want to build a new moscow

[fresh cedar]

I doubt it 😂

[icy nimbus]

why?

[fresh cedar]

I imagine you can prospect for more coal resources. But how will coal interact with AI? Will they artificially limit their buildings so they achieve 100% efficiency. Or will they build as much as they can at the expense of less energy efficiency?

[fresh cedar]

Like just renaming cities or actually changing a tile to a city?

Seems exploitable if you can just shift populations around

[icy nimbus]

that’d be good enough ig

[fresh cedar]

Renaming would be cool. But doubt they’d let you change tile types to city. Like yeah it would be neat but would 100% get exploited in multiplayer to hide victory points far from the front

[icy nimbus]

the changing tile to city could be disabled in multi

[fresh cedar]

That would be nice

Bet it could still be cheesed for achievements somehow

[icy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-my-honest-reaction-gif-8870827506935116922

idk bout that

[fresh cedar]

Posted these questions on the forum about coal

I feel like I always see these long after the devs are done answering questions though. :/

[icy nimbus]

how will this coal thing work

[fresh cedar]

So factories effectively use it for fuel. If you have enough coal, factories produce at normal amount. It not, they produce less, like a debuff.

[icy nimbus]

oh so pretty much cities skylines with energy

[fresh cedar]

So if I have only 30% enough coal to run factories. I think I’d have 30% the factory output as I normally would

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

One big change is that lower industry laws actually have better fuel efficiency. So civilian economy would actually have the best efficiency

Civilian uses 75% less coal than war economy

[icy nimbus]

ah bs

[fresh cedar]

Incentivizes demobilization

[icy nimbus]

early mob consumes less coal tho

[fresh cedar]

Yeah so you’re kinda incentivized to not use war economy unless needed

[thick edge]

What’s the rectangle %?

[fresh cedar]

Consumer goods

[thick edge]

Oh I’m stupid

lol

[fresh cedar]

I didn’t know either at first tbh

[icy nimbus]

war eco if u know ur dead

[fresh cedar]

Or if you’re a major with a lot of coal

I imagine the US and USSR are gonna have mad coal

[icy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/france-flag-gif-europe-gif-27417985

[fresh cedar]

Like those two will run wat economy without issue. While everyone else will struggle

Ironically, China should also have a lot of coal and do super well with that now

[fresh cedar]

Oh yeah and Dams/Nuclear plants will basically remove coal usage in a state that they’re in

[icy nimbus]

ig peace will be the best option for the eco

[fresh cedar]

I think you’re basically supposed to choose between growth or producing weapons now.

So peace would be worse for creating armies but better for growing your economy

Maybe?

[icy nimbus]

btw can you help the new guy in #hoi4-general

[fresh cedar]

Coal impacts civ industries too

[fresh cedar]

Maybe lol

[icy nimbus]

the guy is truly lost

[thick edge]

this is black ice for comparison

alsace-lorraine has a lot too

so the german focus for coring it would be massive

[vapid osprey]

If we're adding more resources, I think HOI4 would benefit from a stockpiling mechanic for all resources

[broken horizon]

Hmm like storages that can be air raided and slowing down your weapons building that could be cool

[vapid osprey]

Exactly

[broken horizon]

That would be cool like diffrend types regual (easy to destroy) medium storage( more defend and build underground ) ect

But then paradox has to make states have more then 25 building slots

[rain thunder]

i disagree, i think the way it works now is fine

[vapid osprey]

It's fine, that's all it is to me though. I feel like it lacks depth but it should still feel easy enough where it's still simple, like Stellaris

I feel like Stellaris has that perfect balance of simpleness to that system without adding too much bloat

[fresh cedar]

Bet that’ll be a thing

I’m guessing there’s be raids on major coal nodes

Taking out large portions of coal would actually super nerf industries

[fresh cedar]

I could’ve sworn they mentioned wanting to add this

[brittle venture]

Yeah but in vanilla it would be a lot different

100% theyre gonna add coal in forest areas

Which BICE would never

[fresh cedar]

Amazon gonna finally be worth?

[digital pumice]

deforestation update

[brittle venture]

idk maybe

But it just makes sense with how hoi does resources

• for balance

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

I think it’ll be a combination of forests or mountains

[brittle venture]

Itll be mostly in actual coal mine locations + amounts in forest areas if i had to guess

With jungle possibly having a lot too to make it worth more

[fresh cedar]

Same

Wonder if you’ll only be able to prospect for them. Or if you can build a coal equivalent to a refinery

[brittle venture]

probably either or both

At least prospect

[fresh cedar]

Prospect for sure

[brittle venture]

i hate prospect tho

[fresh cedar]

I posted on the forums

[brittle venture]

Just because ai never clicks them

[brittle venture]

I need ai to click prospects more

[fresh cedar]

1. coal refinery
2. Will ai go for full efficiency or just yolo spam factories at an efficiency cost
3. will trains use coal

[stoic moat]

i never ever click prospects except if im the usa cuz i have the industry

[fresh cedar]

For real feel like they never do

[fresh cedar]

I always do but generally only resources I need

[half solstice]

I really hope this coal thing will not affect minor nations

I mean in the end its just a boost

Your economy can survive without it right?

[brittle venture]

It will

But they said it will be harsher on majors

[verbal urchin]

Anyone know a good way to do Dracula's Revenge under the newest patch? Old ways don't work anymore...

[fresh cedar]

Since minor countries don’t get a lot of industry, they should be fine. It actually scales to be more expensive the more factories you have so it’ll effect majors more

[brittle venture]

No

You get debuffed majorly without energy

It isnt a boost, its like a factor

[half solstice]

Dang it

Alright we going with manufacturing

[harsh hull]

Now they just have to add Saarland as its own state

How's France supposed to do its thing and take control of the region for its high coal supply if it's not its own state

[brittle venture]

You already take control of the entire state by clicking the tile

Lol

Its way more busted rn if anything

[harsh hull]

Yeah, but I don't want the entire South Rhineland region

I just want the bit that has the things I want

[polar jasper]

Now make the Saarland so France can truly crave the coal it desperately wants

[fresh cedar]

Basically is factory output. If you have 30% energy needed, you produce 30% of what you normally would I believe

[manic saffron]

Day 1 of asking for romania 🇷🇴 to get a decent supply of coal and a rework (romanian nationalism moment)

[polar jasper]

It already gained like 2 focuses in a small update I think a little before arms against tyranny

That is more extra content post rework than half the countries that have content

[cursive sparrow]

CAN THE AI STOP SPAMMING LAST STAND

how tf do they have so many command power?????

[polar jasper]

Destroy their strength

Then their divisions will suck even more

[cursive sparrow]

my divisions are also shit

[subtle gorge]

It's their bread and butter 🔥

[cursive sparrow]

this server's auto mod sucks

don't like swearing? waah waah what are you, 13yo?

[young hearth]

Don't like this server?

[polar jasper]

Professionals have standards

[cursive sparrow]

Nice try, but that's not what I said

[cursive sparrow]

Professional? HOI4 player? Hah

[wooden wyvern]

i do see a certain irony in being able to say hitler but not type shi

[young hearth]

Waah waah what are you, 13yo?

[cursive sparrow]

ok crybaby

bro probably thought he did something there 😭😭🙏🙏

js find a brain bro its not that hard 💔🥀

[young hearth]

Remind me who was bitching about this server

[cursive sparrow]

bro really thought he did something here 😭

apparently your idea of a "comeback"

is a blatant strawman

it's almost funny if it weren't so stupid

[young hearth]

🎣

[cursive sparrow]

💔🥀

[cursive sparrow]

ah yes the classic "b-but it's rage bait!11!" after you got your ass beaten

[young hearth]

ok crybaby

[cursive sparrow]

"sigma male grindset" ahh guy

some rando trying to be real 💔🥀

[young hearth]

Sorry Mr Jesus

[cursive sparrow]

js get a new brain atp vro it aint funny anymore 💔🥀

schizophrenia ahh

[young hearth]

ok crybaby

[cursive sparrow]

if i wanted a parrot i would've said

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[young hearth]

ok crybaby

[cursive sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-smadging-gif-26061412

[half solstice]

Oh alright

[brittle venture]

base output of a mil rn is 4 IC a day

Say you get 25% energy that would be 1 IC

Every output/cap modifier is and always has been added to this base output

Lower base your economy dies

[thick edge]

Ur acting like a child

[digital pumice]

both are lol

[cursive sparrow]

that would be the logical conclusion

[cursive sparrow]

I fail to see why this accusation is made to me only

maybe the child is neither me nor them.