latest-updates

[outer whale]

man at least make a statement

like say something like

" Sorry company policies avoid us doing that."

like say something

[umbral wigeon]

nah they gonna milk you guys for all you got

then when hoi5 comes out it will have even LESS content lol

and people will buy the same dlcs again

ie look at ck2 and 3

[sly scroll]

Companies need money

At this point they might as well just outsource development to modders

[fresh cedar]

Will look better but have way less content

[hollow coral]

Doubt hoi5 is coming out soon or even being planned

[fresh cedar]

Same

They said they want to keep working on HOI4 as long as possible

Considering it’s still very popular I would agree

[brittle venture]

Sigma

Its supposed to be barebones

Its a war game

[fresh cedar]

War is pretty deeply entrenched in diplomacy idk

[brittle venture]

No

Its combat and logistics game

[fresh cedar]

You literally can’t have one without the other. Factions in the game are often what starts wars the most, or guarantees

Like 90% world wars just start from guarantees and factions 😂

If not 99%

[brittle venture]

Yess

But its barebones

Thats fine

You will not get a game with everything

[fresh cedar]

A more interactive faction/guarantee system would be so nice

[brittle venture]

Like i know combining all pdx grand strategy games sounds great

[fresh cedar]

Not asking for Europa/Victoria stuff

[brittle venture]

But updates would take forever to not be insanely buggy

+the game would lag a lot

For everyone

No matter ur pc

[fresh cedar]

People said the same about the supply system when it was reworked

[brittle venture]

So i think its fine

[fresh cedar]

Not worried about it

People were losing their minds around NSB because they said it would lag the game and make it too complex

[brittle venture]

My guy

We are talking about an engine from the year of our lord 2007

It has a lot of limits

[fresh cedar]

And I’d argue Factions/guarantees would be less complex

[brittle venture]

Gregorian calendar*

[fresh cedar]

Works in stellaris

Didn’t kill the game

[brittle venture]

Or 1999 ethiopian calendar :> its old..

[brittle venture]

I will kill ur game

[fresh cedar]

Stellaris has the same engine, and has a much more complex faction system. Works

May actually improve performance as it could limit unit movement more

[fresh cedar]

You can try buster 🤠

[pseudo wing]

That is both technically correct and incorrect

[fresh cedar]

Well yeah bc you have 100 flavors of Clausewitz

[pseudo wing]

As Stellaris may still be using the same engine as HOI, but each iteration of the Clauswitz engine is adaptive for each game, the groundwork for their factions may be fundamentally different in how it was built from the ground up

I wouldn't think the way stellaris factions work would be good for HOI, since it is more fluid in general, and for HOI it'd have to have a lot of pre-made ones that don't allow for the AI to leave or join depending on certain criteria, you'd basically end up in the same spot that they are now for HOI

also dont comment on how long that took to type out, I couldn't for the LIFE of me write the word Basically for some reason

lmao

[fresh cedar]

I agree though having layers of membership would be nice. Similar to how subjects have different types. Having faction members with different levels would be cool. Not just member and leader

[brittle venture]

They should use the uh

Personal union thing more

Like for kmt chinese warlords

Would look pretty on map

And doesnt take industry

+doesnt stop the independance path thing

Just need better war mechnics for prc....

Itd look better tho

[fresh cedar]

I like the new shared one for Iraq too. Honestly shared spirits in general would be super cool for factions

[brittle venture]

Not a spirit

Puppet type

Allows integration and freedom only

2500 points for each

[fresh cedar]

They also do have shared spirits

[brittle venture]

Would stop main china from being able to eaely war :D

Itd be cool imo

[fresh cedar]

Imagine if factions actually buffed specific things

[outer whale]

ok why are there focuses that demands nations to give us land

[brittle venture]

War

[brittle venture]

I saw this mod yesterday

[outer whale]

france can just give you calais without going to war

lol

[brittle venture]

1% research speed buff on anything

If another nation ahs researched it

[fresh cedar]

Scandinavia, Middleast kinda has it already

[brittle venture]

I think its genius

No like global

[outer whale]

Honestly

expect norway

[brittle venture]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959615362

Still works

[outer whale]

scandinavian nations are being done good

[fresh cedar]

The Allies and Axis having their own unique group spirits would be cool.

[outer whale]

ok then
why not have

postwar era

that's also included for war

because now you prepare for the another one

[thick edge]

So let’s say Germany gets nuclear research, a country that is also fighting Germany gets the 1% bonus?

[outer whale]

but yeah your argument still doesnt include this

[brittle venture]

People do ahist peacedeals

[brittle venture]

Yes

Not for special projects tho

[twilit jolt]

@pseudo wing since Chandra Bose losing his traits upon ideology switch is fixed, is it a bit too late to let know that the Karelian leader for Fascism and Democratic loses his traits when Democratic?

[pseudo wing]

did you fill out a bug report for it?

[fresh cedar]

A more flushed out faction research spirit would be neat

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mtd-support-ticket-support-ticket-mcfarlane-gif-651893283517480741

[thick edge]

Better question, why are u playing Karelia

**27 manpower **

[fresh cedar]

Commie manpower printing

[twilit jolt]

Yup.
-# I definitely did not do it just now.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/karelian-leader-for-fascist-and-democratic-is-missing-his-trait-for-the-latter.1736696/

[pseudo wing]

mhm, definitely not, no

[thick edge]

I vouch for this man

He did it before

[twilit jolt]

I've filed this report before!

[brittle venture]

I like how bug reporting is this terrible process where you have to go to the dpx site

But it is less biased than discord i suppose

[drifting star]

I’ve played these games before

Could we please get an updated China warlords with more unique focuses

[fading walrus]

this

they should have shared army, navy, and airforce branches, and some semi shared ideolgy stuff, but some unique flavors and new mechanics

well thats my idea anyways

[obtuse ingot]

HoI4 but you also get landless adventurers

[polar jasper]

Why though

[obtuse ingot]

Maybe they’d be called Destinies

Start as lower rank and build your power.
• Soldier Destiny (Military focus)
• Spy Destiny (Espionage/Research focus)
• Company Destiny (Business/Economic focus)

[polar jasper]

These are nations fighting, not people

[obtuse ingot]

But nations are controlled by the people

[polar jasper]

And some characters are gained from events

You don't play as characters though

Focus Trees for certain paths already do what you are saying

You want Balbo? Cool, here is a sub tree for him

Go develop Libya

And he is military focused

Grandi is diplomacy focused

You got your left right and center for the soviets

And for the whites you got the romanovs and fascists

[brittle venture]

Sigma

I wanna play as a warlord

[wise oxide]

update when

[stable tusk]

Let's keep that with CK3
Because like
Hoi4 is based in WW2 and there weren't like any landless adventurers at this time

[obtuse ingot]

There were tons… they’re just considered advisors and whatnot

[stable tusk]

Well yeah, but they wouldn't work as playable characters
Hoi4 is a nation centered game, something like CK3 is a character centered game
That's why landless adventurers work in CK3 but wouldn't in Hoi4

[drifting star]

What would be cool is a puppet weight system

Larger puppets will take pp from masters to administrator territories and maintain authority

[fresh cedar]

Would much prefer submitting it on here. Bug reporting on the paradox site is a chore

[fresh cedar]

Similar to Crusader kings or what

[polar jasper]

Are you talking about military attaches?

There is also the current advisor system which sometimes has people transferred like Stillwell

[thick edge]

I feel like that wouldn’t fit in hoi4 ngl

[twilit jolt]

China:

[brittle venture]

Yeah but like a warlord, a general

Not a nation

[harsh hull]

How so very TNO of you

[heady magnet]

Do y’all know if there will be more patching of GoE?

Like when does the Beta end?

[harsh hull]

I would assume it would be [x] weeks after the beta started

Tomorrow marks 2 weeks, so that's a good contender, but not guaranteed

[brittle venture]

no one knows

[lavish bramble]

I think the new update should be based around bhutan

[rigid schooner]

Rare way to spell tannu Tuva

Tanna tuva, bhutan, Kuwait, Luxembourg, Iceland and every Central American country update

Best dlc in history

More likely that an update to Australia

[lavish bramble]

But Iceland does have a focus tree

[rigid schooner]

But a better one

Bigger than the us tree

[hollow coral]

Isnt icelands bigger already

Still bigger than japans

[ripe plank]

can i lower for export?

i am missing 14 but 270 is reserved for export but no used? lol

[hollow coral]

you can change trade laws

[wraith prawn]

and some advisors/focuses can give you "resources to market -x%" modifiers too
Also don't forget to do your excavation techs before swapping trade law to try to hold onto their buffs as long as possible

[muted stump]

I visited a Spanish Civil War monument and all I could think about is is this a hoi4 reference???

[thick edge]

Someone got encircled one to many times

[inner jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190182497632387164/1354154208982470776/heist.gif

[coral drift]

@fresh cedar i think that both Malaya, Burma, and the East Indies can have an "unraveling" mechanic like the Soviet Union did.

When in civil war, overtime breakaway states would appear. You can spare resource to fight them or sign a truce and later you can puppet/annex them down the line.

Granted, it would be difficult for the Indies due to their archipelagic nature, but going from "little Indonesia" (Java and Sumatra) to Greater Indonesia (IRL current Indonesian territory) can be fun and plausible at the same time.

I kinda wanted to do that in my mod but got stuck in my thesis.

[hollow coral]

i could see that especially for indonesia

like aceh

[coral drift]

Aceh would definitely try to strike it on their own again, but the Moluccas and Papua would try to break away if the Dutch loses.

The 30-ish protectorates in Kalimantan (Dutch Borneo) alone would be very hard to draw.

[hollow coral]

burma would be cool too but they might not do it cuz of the current situation

i mean the seperatist

[coral drift]

I mean, ethnonationalism vs civic nationalism would be a cool political conflict.

[hollow coral]

they need to change ne win to non aligned though

[coral drift]

Being civic would be hard, but better in the long run if you want to expand.

While being ethnocentric would be easy to sway the ethnic majority but would be bad for expansion.

[hollow coral]

getting the different ethnic groups to join a rebellion would be cool and get a way to peace out should be definitely added

[coral drift]

BRM: Burmese nationalism vs Myanmarian nationalism
MAL: Malaysia for Malays vs Malaysia for Malaysians
INS: Javanese primacy vs Malay primacy vs Indonesian nationalism

[coral drift]

Yup
So many ideas, so little time to implement that, lol

[hollow coral]

they should get modder input for the country packs fr

[coral drift]

Proper input from historians are more important.
I admit, a lot of books i've used for East Indies Reworked are offline. I'm lucky that Gadjah Mada Univ library has those books.

[hollow coral]

gameplay wise too

[coral drift]

Yeah, should be a balancing act to both respect historical plausibilities and gameplay fun.

[hollow coral]

you think indonesia malaysia and Philippines should get a maphalindo shared tree?

[coral drift]

Not just Maphilindo
An ASEAN-shared tree would be the best.

Or even Intra-Indonesian shared tree if Indonesia goes federal.

[hollow coral]

ASEAN is plausible

[coral drift]

But on the other hand, it's from 1967
Maphilindo is from 1963
So both would be historically out of the frame.
Still cool, tho'

[hollow coral]

majapahit would be kinda stupid which is probably the reason they changed it

[coral drift]

4 years worth of my demands to change it to Nusantara
Couldn't be more happier. But i would rather have Majapahit stayed in 1.16 if it means that Communist India has proper foreign policy paths.

[hollow coral]

they should do something like india or poland where you can choose one of the monarchs for malaysia and indonesia (maybe philippines if they want to make a monarch path)

[coral drift]

Lmao, no
Malaysia has 9 monarchs
Indies has 140-ish monarchs

India has 500

[hollow coral]

so they could do some of the more influential monarchs ig

or schizo carlist philippines path

[coral drift]

But excepting Aceh, all of the Javanese ones are inward-focusing, at most only expanding to Sumatra and Kalimantan.

[coral drift]

Well, a "Dutch Monarchy in-exile" path is plausible too

But it takes form of a Royal Vacation just before WW2
And the Indies must be both strong economically and stable politically to be able to invite the Queen in the first place.

[hollow coral]

siam tree would probably be

Historical: khana ratsadon start off as non aligned then flip fascist and align with japan to regain lost land

Monarchist: reconquering laos and cambodia then maybe couping burma to become puppet

[hollow coral]

schizo dutch royal path

[coral drift]

Not schizo if the Queen is stranded at Bali when the Germans/French rolled over the Netherlands.

It can be worked on.

[hollow coral]

would be fun but idk how expansion would work

i just hope paradox wont do another company takeover

[coral drift]

We have the homebred racists (NSB East Indies branch) to do the job.

[coral drift]

That's the fun thing: You don't
(but it would be an insta-independence once the Netherlands is liberated)

[hollow coral]

😼

[coral drift]

The actual memepath should be the NSB-OI
Very hard to be stable and recruiting manpower, very hard to expand despite its ambitious goals, and then it ended up with the player questioning "what's the point of this path (fascism)?"

[hollow coral]

that dutch fascist party that had a wing in indonesia?

[coral drift]

Yup, the largest one here was from NSB.

Indonesian fascism before 1943 is stillborn because of their antics.

[hollow coral]

what would a japanese collab be

something with sukarno

[coral drift]

The Japanese ended up with him because the original guy (Thamrin, the guy in Bitt3rSteel's recent video) died in 1941 after getting improper malaria treatment in prison, and that's only after agreeing that the collaboration with Sukarno would be on equal basis.

The Kempetai wanted to have Sukarno shot but since it would provoke rebellion, they agreed.

[hollow coral]

ehh still could do something with him but more likely an india independance situation

[coral drift]

The Japanese can opt to bid their time and cultivate the Islamists as a counterweight to Sukarno's folks, just like IRL.

I wonder if JSTOR, KITLV, and HathiPlus' repositories are available to the devs in Sweden.
Most of the online sources for my mod can be obtained there, my university has access to them.

[clear vortex]

I can almost hear VOC playing in the background ngl

[trim quartz]

I feel like if you communist as the uk, you should not release all your nations as communist puppets, but rather the democratic government go into exile in Canada and retain their colonies, while you - commie uk - are just based in the isles

[thick edge]

Ah yes, Canada, the puppeteer of the world

[fading walrus]

Why is Adrian Arcanad the leader of a anti British Fascist Canada

In hoi4

[hollow coral]

was he not the definition of a nazi

[fresh cedar]

Think that would make UK/French civil wars a bit more interesting

[fresh cedar]

Wait till you hear about Hitler

[hollow coral]

nah i feel like he was more of a national socialist

[fading walrus]

He was very pro British Empire IRL

and he was a French Canadian

[thick edge]

Ewww

French

[fading walrus]

he wasn't popular with some of the far right in Canada in the 1930's because of his pro British Empire views

like they went as far as trying to sabotage him

[hollow coral]

the artists didnt want to draw chuck crate

[fading walrus]

my point being Adrian Arcand was a poor choice as a leader for breaking away as Britian

he should get his own path

though I got an intesting idea for it

if Mosely loses the UK civil war after triggering it Arcand can offer him asylum and reignite it

to change the subject, China needs more resources

Look at the USA

[thick edge]

No shit

And they have that nine power treaty

[hollow coral]

still they barely have any resources

guangxi clique gets all the fun

[thick edge]

The nine power treaty makes them get free trade for years, ur losing so much of the little resources you have

[hollow coral]

ong

[brittle venture]

Free trade is pretty good

Especially since they can get warlord tradebacks

They just kinda need more to be excavated/found naturally

[thick edge]

Bro I want STEEL

[brittle venture]

Buy some from guanxi?

[past anvil]

eat guanxi

[naive swift]

So when are they going to release the update currently tested in the open beta branch?

[brittle venture]

Theres no release date.. Its a beta..

They release whenever its ready youre just open to having it early

[coral drift]

Hopefully the devs heeded DukeDave's suggestions first to have the proper advisor names.
The portraits can come later on the 2nd update or Toe.

[fresh cedar]

Now that you asked probably today! 🙂

[quick sleet]

Tomorrow or next week

[copper oar]

whats the next big update gonna be about

[haughty tapir]

I would love to see USA rework, and maybe some commonwealth nations like Australia

[polar jasper]

The Pacific rework is what we dream

We dream because we know it won't be what we want

The hoi4 community will literally riot if it was a surprise Central America DLC

[brittle venture]

Id be exhalted with joy

[haughty mantle]

the japan focus tree is actually stinky bro

70 days focus

• 100 pp

[thick edge]

the japan tree came out 7 years ago

[haughty mantle]

it still stinks

[thick edge]

What do u expect bro

Ur used to the Germany tree

[haughty mantle]

no itd just be cool to have an update to them specifically

i mean the waking the tigers/man the guns focus tree

[harsh hull]

The Japan tree now is what the Italy tree was before BBA

Japan's saving grace then was "At least it's not the Italy tree"

But Japan's definitely going to be the face of the next DLC pass

[hollow coral]

until man the guns is integrated dont expect anything with uk or usa

[lapis dragon]

I honestly like the Japanese tree. It's simple yes, but it still gets almost directly to a wargoal and total mobilisation.

[coral drift]

Yeah, only needs to be more fleshed out rather than outright reworking the tree.

For now it runs out in 1943

[lapis dragon]

That's exactly what I mean. Improve some alt history things, add more industry focuses and so on. Also just like more wargoals for late game historical politics

[haughty mantle]

problem is its too short

[cobalt jay]

I would disagree on it being too short because if you actually take everything you have war goals on and end the war the game is basically over

[cobalt jay]

Tbf 43 maybe early 44 at the latest is about where the game ends for most majors anyway if you play them right

[fading walrus]

I feel like if Japan goes Communist or Democratic, China should get a war goal on Manchuko

Because they would attack immediately as Japan is distracted by a civil war

[coral drift]

An option to intervene right away or deal with internal matters first.

Kwantung Army should be represented so that Manchukuo would not be a pushover too

[fading walrus]

Right away if the player feels confident

And yes the Kwantung army should be present

I got the idea from EU4 in which the Timurids can attack Ajam (which is risky as when their leader Shah Rukh dies the empire will start to fall apart)

[coral drift]

The Japanese have less divisions in Rt56 due to the Kwantung Army's moving to Manchukuo.
Can be done.

[fading walrus]

Hence why I play as Manchuko in rt56 more often than vanilla

[hollow coral]

Should make puyi a national spirit and empowering him later to revive qing under japan or independant

If they rebel then japan wont intervene but will let the kwantung army take care of it

But may not work well

[pearl merlin]

Do you perchance know what's the difference between Yugoslavias tree in normal and in rt56

Ive been trying to check it but my internet is glitching so pictures are blurry

[hollow hedge]

Why can't you core galicia after forming austria hungary?

[brittle venture]

Its a bad change imo

I like japan having the divs

[fading walrus]

Anyways

Does France still have a civil war if you make them go fascist or monarchist

[hollow lion]

-Tito can form Balkan Federation
-Tito can join another communist faction than the Soviets
-Better focus icons
-1 extra navy and 1 extra air focus

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[pearl merlin]

Yeah I mean something is better then nothing

[hollow lion]

Being able to form Balkan Federation is quite fun, but Italy often gets in your way

[twilit jolt]

based and Teto pilled

[hollow lion]

Incredibly based

Although refrain from Tito pictures as hes technically post war etc.

[drifting star]

When will we get our first teaser for next dlc ?

[safe plover]

Huh? He was really important during the war as well wdym

[fresh cedar]

I believe June

Or probably late May

[hollow lion]

Yeh but the rules are really strict

[fresh cedar]

Isn’t he ingame?

[hollow lion]

yup, his in-game assets are an exception

[safe plover]

So what about idk people talking about mao or stalin here , that happenes and nobody complained

[hollow lion]

Its only non-game pictures that are not allowed

I hope I remembered the rule correctly

[safe plover]

Ok so the anime tito should be allowed right bc i think shes in hearts of anime and mod Screenshots or whatever are allowed.

[hollow lion]

That is something for the ticket system since I cant go ask rn

Lets get back to HOI discussion

[hollow lion]

whats dev corner again or that new?

[fresh cedar]

Think it’s similar to a dev diary?

Like a dev diary but moreso behind the scenes if I’m correct

Though I imagine a teaser would come a week or two before

[hollow lion]

ah I see the logic

[brittle venture]

Earlier

Like dev diaries used to be 😭

Before they were like 'if we do it closer by we get more sales'

Its why releases like man the guns/la resistance released relatively bug free

[fresh cedar]

I really missed the longer dev diary windows

[fresh cedar]

Yup lol

Not sure why they changed it tbh.

[brittle venture]

Capitalism

More hype = more sales

[fresh cedar]

How is giving longer term updates less hype? If anything could increase exposure as longer window for customer engagement

[brittle venture]

According to the stats it just is

[fresh cedar]

When I used to read those diaries too they had quite a bit of interaction in the forums

[brittle venture]

More exposure if short timespan

[fresh cedar]

Aids

[brittle venture]

Alghorythms and stuff

Idk if i spelled that correctly

But ykyk

[brittle venture]

Yeah thats why theyre backtracking again xd

[thick edge]

Algorithms?

[brittle venture]

Yeah hard word

[fresh cedar]

That and the buggy mess/less community engagement ate them a new one on the last two country packs lol

[fading walrus]

guess I'm going to have to test this out

[quick sleet]

In open beta they always fix more and more right? Today i played and iraq didn't went to war with the allies so early and one week ago it didn't be like that

[drifting star]

I think the next update they do will be the release version

[hollow lion]

According to game dev simulator too xd

[coral drift]

Missed the Open BETA sessions too

[spice hearth]

Do we know when the update currently in beta will come out ?

[fresh cedar]

Don’t think so, they generally don’t really say

[spice hearth]

Because in the roadmap it's planned for late april.

I guess we still have 3 days.

[hollow coral]

Id rather they cook it up a a bit more

If they keep giving deadlines then its just more unfinished bs

[formal ginkgo]

Wait if we got a germany rehaul we should get a USSR rehaul

[stable tusk]

That was literally No Step Back
We had that already
We're waiting for the Japan rework now

[thick edge]

USSR’s tree is peak

It doesn’t need an overhaul

[thick edge]

And USA

[brittle venture]

Maybe expansion for democracy

Tbf

[strong grail]

Yeah ussr tree is really good

[dark sail]

yep but add democracy path should be add

[astral pewter]

Thats one thing that bugged me about the ussr focus tree, I found it weird that there was no democratic path. But other than that the soviets have a top tier focus tree

[fresh cedar]

What would you have wanted from a Democratic Russia tree?

[polar jasper]

Spread democracy in Asia and exterminate fascism

[astral pewter]

Nothing to crazy just 2 options, either make a more democratic type soviet union similar to what could have happened towards the end of it in our time. And an option to make the nations independent and make a russian federation. Ofc that last one would be mid lol but still.

There is a democratic path mod thats pretty good

[fresh cedar]

Why Asia? Russia historically has diverted more energy towards Europe. This would’ve especially been the case with an aggressive Germany

[polar jasper]

Idk, something unique, something different

Or just take out the fascists

[fresh cedar]

So like a Social Democracy path, and what’s the other? Bc Russian Federation is more of a Military Junta or autocracy.

[polar jasper]

Gg ez

[fresh cedar]

I’d argue right opposition closest to the Dem path

[polar jasper]

Make the CSTO and actually be democratic

Or whatever russias alliance is called

[fresh cedar]

So like try to make a faction with all neighbors sorta deal

[polar jasper]

Well, there is also just the triple entente path that is already in the game

But be blue and not gray

[fresh cedar]

I mean right opposition or supreme soviet kinda close enough for me

[polar jasper]

True

[fresh cedar]

Would be neat to have a true democratic tree but lowkey would break the game unless it was designed to oppose the allies. Then at that rate what’s the point

Feel like they got close enough to democracy while also keeping the game interesting with wars

Russian expansion into Asia does exist with Third Rome but as a democracy would be a little bizarre

[astral pewter]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3453965141&searchtext=democratic+russia

Its pointless yes but still I like the option and the freedom to go democratic if I want to

If anything the monarchy coming back is more bizzarre than them going democratic

[hollow coral]

Doesnt one of the opposition paths let you have the supreme soviet as leader

Would argue thats a pseudo democracy

Russia tree is fantastic

[fresh cedar]

Yeah that’s my argument too, Supreme Soviet pretty close

[dark sail]

Bc demovratic is often boring but fr they had top tier focus tree but they should add very good focus tree for germany or USA and UK

[rose charm]

Did they finally fixed the GoE bugs?

[prisma orchid]

Is the achievement: Our Words Are Backed With Nuclear Weapons possible with the graveyard of empires DLC? If not: Will it get fixed in a future update with updated information? If so: What affects it and how do you get it?

[hollow coral]

pretty sure its possible

its not a new achievement so idk if paradox broke it cuz i already got it before the dlc

[prisma orchid]

i can't find the quit india national focus anywhere in the new focus tree, so i am going to likely have to disable GoE dlc

However i am testing the original path for it to see if anything works

I have the achievements up and i am looking for a green check mark on the achievement status

[strong grail]

Didnt they just add a new germany focus tree though?

[fresh cedar]

Yes, it’s been playable for a few weeks

Less of a sandbox as TOA was just due to what nations the countries border. But it’s pretty fun

[hollow coral]

i miss the old portrait style

[fresh cedar]

Which? Like the colored BW photos, not the artist rendered and colored ones

[hollow coral]

like the nsb styles

[fresh cedar]

Were they very different?

Think it started to change around TOA/Arms against tyranny

[hollow coral]

newer ones look kinda ai generated

and smoother

[fresh cedar]

They do lowkey yeah

I thought they were trying to go for a higher detail look

Ik most are still based on real images

[hollow coral]

some of them look cool

but most just look too detailed

like the hitler portrait

[fresh cedar]

Problem with Hitler’s is that it looks like Michael Scott or a body double

[fresh cedar]

What’s crazy is Eva Braun with an eyepatch somehow looks better

[hollow coral]

rlly does

hitler just looks rlly saturated

[fresh cedar]

Just doesn’t super look like him ig?

[fresh cedar]

I like the uniform and stuff

But the old one imo just looked more like him?

[hollow coral]

they both dont look a lot like him but the original looked better

[prisma orchid]

Our Words Are Backed With Nuclear Weapons achievement is not possible with graveyard of empires, i have thoroughly tested it, sadly, to be a waste of time trying

[civic vine]

the beta is suppose to release in april right? have they given a date since it's suppose to release sometime next week?

[hollow coral]

you can play the beta rn

[civic vine]

I meant on live servers

[hollow coral]

could release

[civic vine]

unless they change the date it should release this week. only a week left in april

[polar jasper]

I never noticed he had the iron cross. I thought they changed the revamp to have a tie

You know what they should have done.

You know how Quisling's portrait changes as you go down the focus tree? Hitler's should as well with him becoming more insane the longer the war goes on

The final portrait just being a rip off of the downfall scene would be funny

[fresh cedar]

I would like that yeah

[lofty chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-13250127

[coral drift]

Same
The Lar-Bosporus-NSB-BBA are really good

[coral drift]

Eurasianism is a valid theory in Russia back then, but never gotten around until the fall of Soviet Union

[clear vortex]

Whats that big ass iron cross? He never weared One, he had One but on his coat from the ww1 service

[stable tusk]

That was only in the dev diary for historical Germany for GDR
They changed it to a tie for the actual game

[fresh cedar]

They said they added one because it looked cool, remember reading about it on the dev diary

[quick sleet]

Where is the april update 🥸

[thick edge]

April isn’t over yet

[mellow fox]

April update just released.

[brittle venture]

Nothing in #hearts-of-iron-news?

Chak offline 😔

[crisp rivet]

Finally

I know it’s released

[mellow fox]

The changelog is on Steam.

[thick edge]

Someone send it

I wanna see

[mellow fox]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/394360/allnews/

[stable tusk]

Raj loyalist path looks interesting
If only they made this earlier

Also Qajar Shah can be put on the throne

[stable tusk]

Link's broken

Now it works

[fresh cedar]

Chak must be on vacation

[lucid seal]

They didn’t fix the German AI getting stuck as the military junta?

[next root]

Can anyone confirm if the savable tank templates from the beta are in the patch

I might be blind but I didn’t see any mention in the patch notes

[lofty creek]

still no double states for palestine, lebanon, jordan and kuwait :(

it is truly joever

[hallow torrent]

I’m also wondering if the additional stuff from the beta patch will make it into the full patch

[next root]

I think this is the full patch, no?

[hallow torrent]

in the beta notes it said the UK decolonization bug with india was fixed but it wasn’t

[hallow torrent]

it is

[next root]

Really was looking forward to that design saving stuff

Really hope it’s in and they just forgot to put it in patch notes

Update: I’m blind

[steep ermine]

I noticed a distinct lack of improvements to historical Iraq in the patch notes. Kinda disappointing. No major changes to the ai strategy plan or letting us take the restore the regent focus after capitulating.

[quick sleet]

Because of me

[drifting star]

Wish they added more to Afghanistan but the raj loyalty is cool as hell

[quick sleet]

Liked this patch really good 👍🏿

[brittle venture]

As communist afghanistan you can already do every single path besides fascism 👀

[drifting star]

Will there be another war effort in may ?

[pseudo wing]

Yes, my apologies, I wasn't working today or I'd have gotten it to you all faster

Currently a Federal Election here in Canada, so had to do my Citizen duty and go vote. (Though that is as far as I will comment on it since yk politics are a nono here)

[pseudo wing]

Yes, sorry, see the above message for the reasonings for that ^^

[brittle venture]

No its fine i was just gonna ping you as a heads up if you were xD

Completely understandable ofc

[fresh cedar]

No worries Chak! 😂 You deserve a day of rest once in a blue moon

[harsh hull]

It is still crazy that they released Graveyard of Empires first, then actually finished working on it

But it isn't surprising though, sadly

[drifting star]

North Korea and South Korea should be formed on Japanese cap

[thick edge]

You know what would be really funny

If u could relocate monuments

U could make an achievement called “truly the British Museum”

And u relocate all monuments to Britain

[mellow fox]

Did this patch fix Graveyard of Empires? Is it worth buying now? Better reviews?

[lofty creek]

Did they let Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan for mesopotamia as a joke?

Cuz realistically

No one's forming it as any of those nations

[nimble torrent]

am i right to assume that with the latest patches it's the main devs working on fixing Graveyard of Empires?

[brittle venture]

No?

Its still same team

Main team is working on main team stuff

Just no time pressure this time

[nimble torrent]

Oh damn, congrats to them then

[drifting star]

Any secrets with the new India path ?

Like a way to make the king of England head of India

[woven breach]

Hey, I read in the patch notes since the release of GoE that there are new communist leaders for Afghanistan, Iran, and India, but I'm having trouble finding them. Anyone have intel on that?

[polar jasper]

This is so bad

PDX saying that British imperialism is good at this point

I could have gotten rid of Great Depression since 1936

I have to wait until like 1942 to get rid of it

[brittle venture]

something something elites in control of industry

[polar jasper]

When you put the British in control of the economy: quick removal of the great depression

When you try to Indianize the economy: gimme 40 civilian factories and construction 3 to begin to fix the economy

[trim quartz]

Yo the new loyalty path to the Raj is exactly what I needed

[drifting star]

I wish you could make the king the head of raj

[polar jasper]

Well the British king is technically the Emperor of India

And there is a focus for the Raj to assume control of the Allies if the UK falls

[trim quartz]

How do you get Mountbatten as leader? He’s in the files

[astral pewter]

For what nation

[eternal flume]

the mughal path is so much better now

if you cap the raj you can pretty much form mughals right after now because you keep everything you control

[astral pewter]

They made it decent to play as it??????

[hollow coral]

Raj

[hollow coral]

You can choose him as a leader after independance if i remember

[thick edge]

This shit is insane

[grave plume]

Right, so I typically stay lurking now, but that is ... at the very least heavily exaggerated.
The Great Recovery IS after all part of the Loyalty Path and the other removal of Great Depression for the Loyalty Path has the same effect in length (it just doesn't need the Factories, which might be fair considering you in turn stay bound up more with Britain, so they can provide that Capital. Debatable, but still. Also the Zamindar were as far as I can tell local, Indian Lords, so in no way is the Zamindari System handing control to the British. Honestly its more the other way around.)

Onto the Road of Independence still allows Great Depression Recovery in 210 Days, same as Look to the Past (though the Mughals are whole new state anyway), while East India Company never fully gets rid of it.

On a whole, abandoning the Empire allows recovery by 36, while staying with it slows recovery until the mid 40s. Doesn't seem like British Imperialism is getting such a good wrap here. Anyway, back to lurking 😅

[polar jasper]

This focus was locked behind construction 3 and 40 civs. The other branch within it starts the 1095 day timer in 1936

With no prerequisites

I should have just exploited the Indians and not do reform according to PDX

[chrome pier]

Well you also get 10 factories from that focus but you didnt show it in the screenshot

[polar jasper]

What 10 factories

In the focus that is locked?

That I can't do until I get 40 civs?

[brittle venture]

Civs or mils

10 mils for free after 40 civs isnt awful

Getting 10 civs and your prod efficiency is dead asf

[polar jasper]

Problem, it is 1939

[brittle venture]

Go disp

[chrome pier]

4 civs 4 mils and 2 dockyards

[polar jasper]

I am dispersed

[brittle venture]

Might as well atp

Ok then ignore it?

Like your mils are fine

[polar jasper]

I only have like 30 civs

[brittle venture]

Disp is civgreed

[polar jasper]

In 39, because I didn't look at the requirements

[brittle venture]

Bad prod

But whatever

[brittle venture]

Free trade:

Or ask allies to license ur stuff

Ez

[polar jasper]

I actually spent a civ to license a plane from the UK so I can get some planes in production

[brittle venture]

In mp its busted

In sp its probably trash

[polar jasper]

2 2x cannon isn't the worse

[brittle venture]

Yeah you dont need to own civs

Just ask allies to license ur stuff

Gets you 40 civs instantly

[polar jasper]

You can?

[brittle venture]

Yes

Players anyway

[polar jasper]

The AI?

[brittle venture]

No

With ai its bad

[polar jasper]

That's what I thought

[brittle venture]

I told u

Or tag over

Cheat :)

[polar jasper]

Muh ironman game

[safe plover]

lmao look at that combat width

[stable tusk]

Red Desert moment

[dull tundra]

War games fest is live why no discount?

[stable tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But CK3 is on sale so I might get it

[pseudo wing]

not exactly sure, but there is usually an internal cooldown on sales for steam, that might be why

will ask, but ofc probably wont get an answer in time for you

[dull tundra]

No worries just curious Since it’s a war games sale!

[safe plover]

Added the United Maghreb as a new formable nation
What is the united maghreb and what country has it? no princerly state has it

oh and also ai now completely doesnt do the saddabad pact unless they run out of focuses. It was better in the beta lmao

iraq still joins axis in 39

how bad can a dlc be

its still worse then most other at god damn release

[drifting star]

It’s Maghreb region ie Libya , Morocco and Tunisia

And Algeria

[dull tundra]

any possibilities of any new achievements for the new update?

[hollow coral]

Dont think they added more

[dull tundra]

when will we get Prototype Vehicles announcement?

[polar jasper]

Isn't it already in the game?

It was a unit pack

Nevermind it is the supporter pack I am thinking of

[thick edge]

I think the end of this year

[native echo]

Yo so are they done with GoE or what's going on

Is there any plan to continue development or are we done here

[rain thunder]

so the new DLC is just unit models?

[oak swallow]

You know… I can feel your heart beating

[rain thunder]

😳

[fresh cedar]

@pseudo wing You absolute dog, had no idea a diary was dropping today 🥴

[pseudo wing]

[thick edge]

What are these 2

Ong

[fresh cedar]

Absolutely mad vehicles 😂

[wispy peak]

These just cosmetic or actual template type things we can make via focus with unique stats? Feel like the helicopter tank or the good old death fridge with a naval gun should have unique stats.

[thick edge]

This is peak

[dull tundra]

Absolute cinema

[barren tusk]

OKA TANK?

dude that's not even WW2 anymore

[fresh cedar]

Hence prototype

[barren tusk]

Would be design meme. There will not be an actual helicopter tank flying around the tiles of the map. Isn't it?

[fading walrus]

Wtf is a helicopter tank

[fresh cedar]

I’m not sure

[fading walrus]

Thats like the worst idea ever

[fresh cedar]

That’s basically an MI-24

[pseudo wing]

these were all WW2 era prototypes so while they're wacky yeah its still time-appropriate

there is a reason most of these weren't really used on the battlefield though lmao

[fresh cedar]

We have ICBM’s but somehow these are more unrealistic for the period 😭

[pseudo wing]

Helicopter.... but tank

[fading walrus]

True buts it probably more stable and more maneuverable

[thick edge]

That OKA better have insane recoil

[fresh cedar]

So are these new special projects or 3d models for existing vehicles

[fading walrus]

True but it takes out what made a tank a tank and a helicopter a helicopter into a weird Frankenstein hybrid

Basically its a thinly armored tank thats an unstable helicopter

[pseudo wing]

I believe these are special projects, but don't quote me on that I haven't been closely intwined with this release as I have been dealing with more background stuff as of late

[fresh cedar]

Imagine they added transports helis that replace motorized late game 😂

[pseudo wing]

there should be some 3d models and some projects though maybe?

[fresh cedar]

That makes sense!

I kinda interpreted it as a mix of both too

[trim quartz]

Chak can you add bomberdino crocodilo to hoi4

[barren tusk]

So you are saying we will have in hoi4 several combinations to make our tanks more powerful due to the prototype

Am I wrong? Or to much spoiler

[fading walrus]

Sorry for criticizing the tankcopter my highschool robotics class design mentality kicked in but Are we going to get the bat bombs and pigeon guided missile

[pseudo wing]

that is not what I said at all , I was replying to someone saying that it wasn't a WW2 game anymore, as these prototypes were all designed during the era, they just were not widely used

If you are referring to whether or not these are special projects or 3d models, I just simply have no idea if some are projects or not, so again don't take my word for it as I have not been closely working with this pack

[pseudo wing]

no idea

[fading walrus]

Possible relived bat and pigeon noises

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

[barren tusk]

Gotcha

[tawdry sky]

it was gonna be used too, but they surrendered before it could be used

[fading walrus]

Yes thats the scary part

[tawdry sky]

I think its genius personally

[polar jasper]

Hoi4 meta tank, put as many secondary cannons as possible

[fresh cedar]

I also did robotics but sometimes just gotta accept things as they are 😂

[fresh cedar]

Warhammer 40k type armament 😂

[next root]

I really hope these are some new projects, love that system personally

[fresh cedar]

Think the flying wing ones are the intercontinental bombers but I can be wrong

[raw urchin]

What would the devs work next on after that?

[next root]

prob, but I can't see any existing special project that relates to any of these

it would be amazing to have more land projects too, vanilla is so barren for that category

[fresh cedar]

The Yoh could probably just be a modern tank. Amphibious heavy could be a heavy tank, but idk about thenothers

Maybe engineering tanks?

[next root]

those are just support companies and all have designs already so I doubt it

[fresh cedar]

Support companies can have their 3d models used as the division model

[next root]

also amphibious heavy tank doesn't really corrispond to any special project

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think all prototype designs necessarily have to be special projects

[next root]

yeah and they already have models is my point- I guess maybe new ones could exist but I think that still isn't quite right

[next root]

that's fair, it would just be nice if they did

[fresh cedar]

They would probably just get additional models to choose from if I had to guess

Like we may see 1-2 special projects but doubt there would be a lot

Kinda reminds me of the former plane/armor packs which were just 3d models

[polar jasper]

Wait what

This isn't a purely visual thing?

[fresh cedar]

And considering it’s releasing a quarter early, probably that

[fresh cedar]

Pretty sure it is

[polar jasper]

That's what I thought

[next root]

seriously a shame if so, considering vanilla land projects are extremely underused

[fresh cedar]

Ngl I use helis every game now

[next root]

same

[polar jasper]

https://youtu.be/31Yn-Uacb5M

[fresh cedar]

These seem to be intercontinental bombers imo

[next root]

nice to finally get some diff models for em

[fresh cedar]

I think we’ll see some new 3d models for vehicles across the board but seriously doubt they’ll be special projects

[polar jasper]

I'm surprised they don't have that one German flying wing

[fresh cedar]

I could be wrong and hope I am

[polar jasper]

Or is it already in the game

[fresh cedar]

So it was supposed to be in GDR but was delayed for this pack

I mean even its image is in the focus tree

[polar jasper]

Ah, we will get it

(Proceeds to never use it)

[fresh cedar]

I’d be shocked if it wasn’t in this pack

Would be nice if there was just a unique “flying wing” special project that was like some type of fast jet bomber with a heavy payload but limited range

[polar jasper]

It would be cool if there were some prototype modern tanks, but I couldn't think of any that didn't just become actual tanks

[fresh cedar]

They sorta do just not as a special projects

Imo modern tanks SHOULD be a special project

[polar jasper]

Problem is, modern tanks kinda suck in this game

[fresh cedar]

Buff em a little but lock behind project

Boom

[polar jasper]

Panzer IIIs would take out Pattons

Because of tank designer funnies

[next root]

special projects and raids were so underutilized tbh

game is practically a modding framework atp

[fresh cedar]

I never do raids but always do tons of special projects

[polar jasper]

When I looked at raids I went "shouldn't this have been in la resistance?"

[next root]

same- I've got a personal mod that buffs raids to high heaven but special projects are amazing

[fresh cedar]

Game barely had occupation stuff before la resistance

[polar jasper]

I know that

[fresh cedar]

Like to garrison territory and prevent resistance growth you legit had to put actual divisions in the states

[polar jasper]

I just knew they had gunnerside as an operation

[fresh cedar]

Yeah true

[polar jasper]

I just put it on gentlest and went on with my day

[fresh cedar]

Spy network kinda just bland and underutilized in general.

[next root]

I mean considering the models already exist I'd be quite disappointed if there were no new special projects- it's not very hard to add in new ones imo, modelling is the hard part

[fresh cedar]

I wish I was able to ask in the forum bc I’m worried these are just 3d models. Which like are still very cool but I like having some tangible reward for this sorta thing

[polar jasper]

I'm certain it is just models

To make you go "hehehe, funny tonk"

[fresh cedar]

Seems to be a decent emphasis on amphibious tanks

[next root]

I mean I'd be fine if 80% were just models- all the more normal looking tanks n such fit right in as variants, but things like this really deserve a new project

[fresh cedar]

If the next DLC truly is a Japanese one, it’s possible that such a content rework to amphibious would come with that

[polar jasper]

When you realize you could put amphibious drive on a heavy tank

[fresh cedar]

And this is sort of a pregame to that

[polar jasper]

I always imagined a Japan rework to include a resource rework

Maybe a naval invasion rework would be cool too

[fresh cedar]

Oh definitely but could see naval/amphibious being secondary

[polar jasper]

Make them more impactful and such

[next root]

eh imo they're mostly okay already when you do the tech

[polar jasper]

Well, you can plan a large scale amphibious landing in 3 days

[fresh cedar]

Like these are straight up just tank destroyers or as tanks

[polar jasper]

I think market garden was more planned than that

[fresh cedar]

Oka maybe a new model for the Super heavy arty?

[next root]

gotta keep mechanics fun at some point- imo the time to plan is fine rn

[polar jasper]

If you can get planning bonus for naval invasions in the future, that would be epic

[next root]

that would be cool

[thick edge]

That cobra is just a bigger version of the R3 from war thunder

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[thick edge]

The ksp is a wheeled ASU-57

[fresh cedar]

Out of all the prototypes, what would really warrant a new special project? Heli Tank? Flying Wing? Articulated Tank?

[thick edge]

I feel like articulated is halfway there

A tank with less terrain debuffa

[polar jasper]

You probably unlock the model doing the helicopter special project

[next root]

articulated tank and heavy amphibious would be great new ones, heli tank imo could just be a sprite for airborne armor

[polar jasper]

But where is my Soviet glider tank

[fresh cedar]

True

[next root]

with things like this it would be amazing if it was possible to mod in multiple sprites per div

[fresh cedar]

Like if the flame tank exists anything is possible ig

[next root]

things like support just never are gonna be your models for your tank divs, but what if modders could make divs appear with the tank in front and a tiny support company behind it

[polar jasper]

I make helicopters my models

[fresh cedar]

I thought they meant like having slightly different 3d models

[polar jasper]

And those are support companies

[fresh cedar]

Like one tank camo, one not, one damaged one not etc

[next root]

okay but that's peak it's different

[fresh cedar]

So your units look more diverse

Kinda like what they did with horses

[next root]

that might already be possible imma go poke at the files a bit

[thick edge]

New coal resource next DLC??

[polar jasper]

They got summer and winter camo, right?

[fresh cedar]

Do horses not cycle through a set of 3d models now?

[fresh cedar]

Yup

[polar jasper]

France now craves the saarland

[thick edge]

We need a finite resources update 🔥

[fresh cedar]

Basically “Hot” uniform and “Cold” uniform, then normal

Lowkey wish you were able to get camo uniforms late war tho

[polar jasper]

My olive drab though

[fresh cedar]

Maybe they can add a 1948 infantry equipment special project and the sprites get a camo/korean war type uniform

IMO though 1942 German infantry equip should have camouflage

[polar jasper]

They really need a gun for post 1942

That way they can move the FAL up to that

[fresh cedar]

Yeah like 1945 gun

[polar jasper]

Meanwhile the M1 Thompson being a 1939 gun despite being made in the 20s

[fresh cedar]

What’s wild is originally the Fal was gonna be all black like it was in the 1950’s and I had to convince them to give it a wooden stock

[hollow cradle]

Japan id gonna be cooked if USA gets the 14000km range bomber wing

[polar jasper]

Well 1919

[polar jasper]

It had a wooden stock?

[fresh cedar]

The prototype and first few years it was made yeah

[polar jasper]

Wait, is the grease gun in hoi4?

[fresh cedar]

The Fal basically looked like that when it was first designed and deployed

The full black wasn’t until later in the mid 1950’s

[fresh cedar]

Don’t think so

[polar jasper]

No, they surprisingly do not

[fresh cedar]

1944/1945 infantry equipment as a special project should seriously be a thing

[polar jasper]

We don't need them as special projects

Maybe night vision

[fresh cedar]

Yes but one they used the most was like 1942 I think

[next root]

maybe but honestly by the time all that is avaliable I'm burned out on upgrading my guns

[hollow cradle]

Id. Say. Nucleare protection

[fresh cedar]

I’d like it as a special project bc would let you choose for it to be expensive and OP, or very very cheap and slightly better. Basically letting desperate countries produce more, or rich countries produce better

[hollow cradle]

As. Special. Prodject

[polar jasper]

The problem is that many cool special projects are locked behind the cold war

[fresh cedar]

Like late game Germany would make ultra cheap guns to fill their divs, while the USA would have pretty expensive yet powerful ones

[polar jasper]

But who wouldn't want APCs and IFVs in 1945

[next root]

cold war expansion 2035 $98.99

[polar jasper]

Well, mechanized is technically apcs but eh

[fresh cedar]

Night vision totally should be, maybe anti tank on infantry too

[hollow cradle]

R56 enjoyers

[fresh cedar]

Idk by late game my ground warfare tends to be out of research

[polar jasper]

Weren't IFVs a 1970s and 80s tech though?

You already win the game by like 1942

[hollow cradle]

U dont need a scientist to combine inf and anti tank bro

[fresh cedar]

Late 1950’s

[polar jasper]

BMP was made then?

[fresh cedar]

I mean with the more advanced antitank/anti air infantry weapons

Like wire guided

[polar jasper]

ATGMs could be a special project

(Another air special research)

Better have 10 facilities

[fresh cedar]

1955 technology but imo plausible for very late war

[hollow cradle]

Like these 1950 guided anti tanks tinks

[polar jasper]

To research them all

[next root]

this would be so simple as a special project too, just add a module that reduces/maybe even replaces fuel usage on your tanks while tanking reliability and speed

[fresh cedar]

Or rather you have to choose and be selective

More options just means you have to specialize, which I think is kind of the point of special projects

[next root]

special projects really shine when you have mods that add in more- forces you to pick a lot

[fresh cedar]

Countries should be researching specific ones to kinda represent their approach on the war better

Everyone doing everything is bogus

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[next root]

plus nukes are far too easy in basegame

I have a mod that pushes nuke tech back 3 years and it actually makes things balanced

[fresh cedar]

Idk, I think it’s decent. Had countries dumped a lot more into it, might’ve got em a year or two earlier

[next root]

yeah but anyone being able to get it fairly easily in 1941 is a bit odd to say the least

and it wrecks mp balance

[polar jasper]

The reason nukes are so early is so that they can have a career profile thing

[fresh cedar]

Thought it was 1943 for some reason

[polar jasper]

Where you get gold for dropping one in 1943

[next root]

pushing it 3 years + increasing point requirement for reactors to 3 is what I did- most mp games I do people get them around 1944 at the earliest with the changes

[fresh cedar]

In multiplayer they’re cracked

[next root]

works fairly well since we're all pretty burned from playing in 44

[split crow]

HORTEN HO 229

HORTEN HO 229

IN HOI4

[next root]

D:

[thick edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0uNVf74GkGE?si=d0A1pev1XXsZX8jt

[hearty blade]

paradrop helis or something

[obtuse ingot]

💡HoI4 nomads

[stable tusk]

Ok, question, which group of people during WW2 were A. Nomadic, B. Significant to the war, and C. Could be properly implemented in Hoi4 with its current limitations, resources, and gameplay formula

[obtuse ingot]

I haven’t seen them played in TGW but Arabia would have the Bedouins. Private mercenary groups etc

Could be a rework of the Warlord period for the warlords having mobile BOO

(Also useful for fallout… nomadic warlords ruling over the wasteland)

[fresh cedar]

Can you elaborate?

Like would they just be mercenaries or like on map

[fresh cedar]

I’m honestly fine with them just being cosmetic. Kinda reminds me of the armor packs. Will add nice diversity to the game

I think people are be way too dramatic in regards to the content being game breaking. They’re optional sprites nothing more, people need to fixate on more important things 😂

[obtuse ingot]

Probably like mercenaries… maybe special mercenary group focus trees

[fresh cedar]

Those sorta exist! Some focus trees give free units and are basically mercenaries 🙂

[dire trail]

What do they mean it will release Q2 instead of Q3 what are the Q's about

[untold sequoia]

In Sweden, we measure the passing of time in Quentins

(but no, 2nd quarter of the year, third quarter etc)

[thick edge]

In Quentin’s?

I may be a little special but I never heard of that

[next root]

That no(t yet) is holding a lot of weight rn...
I love special projects
so much
I NEED more

[dire trail]

im from sweden didn't know what it was short for but thank you man 👍

[drifting star]

You know what would be cool? A focus for Bhutan the most important nation in HOI4

[untold sequoia]

I forget that people take me seriously 😦

[drifting star]

I googled this

Lmao

[chrome pier]

The Skoda steam engine mechanized should honestly be a special project/research. it could be something like not using fuel but having lower speed, higher supply consumption or possibly lower reliabillity. War is the time of the most rapid development and nations without much oil could defintly have this as a viable alternative

[fresh cedar]

We measure our time in Tarantino’s, seems a little more precise

[fresh cedar]

Train designer confirmed 😏

[solid gyro]

Guys armoured car designer

[fresh cedar]

Train designer lowkey would be useful

[solid gyro]

Ye

But armoured car designer too op, dont add it😭

[fresh cedar]

Yeah please no

[solid gyro]

Ye

[fresh cedar]

I just wanna be able to have bullet trains 🥴

[solid gyro]

Can i design my planes

To fly

Hmmmmm

Ok guys artillery designer

[fresh cedar]

SPG closest thing to it

[fresh cedar]

Financial Quarters which break up the year into 4 parts. So instead of the third quarter it’ll be the second! 🙂

[safe plover]

Are they god damn joking? There are still sooo many bugs and mistakes in the dlc , wtf happened to pdx

[fresh cedar]

The last sentence does say it’ll still get attention in war efforts

So wouldn’t rule out bug fixes

[safe plover]

Atttention?? Its still in dire need of a rework. Iraq still has the spirit army, it joins the axis like late 39. Many focuses dont work or just arent in the game( for example a secret one for iran that u get if india goes trade company) Many paths still dont work. The country what this dlc is named after still has a joke of focus tree that needs a major rework. Nearly all afghan civil wars are too hard without cheesing and dont make like any sense. The fascist afghan king has no reason to be fascist but whatever. Nothing in that tree makes sense btw u loose turkish advisor spirit event though asmullah was a kemalist.

We dont just need bug fixes. Nice they reworked india , now they need to go on to the other countries

[chrome pier]

Well i do think they have in fact fixed the army spirit

But yeah i agree it would be nice to get some reworks for the other countries

[fresh cedar]

Idk if Afghanistan should have the highest impact though. They didn’t really do much at the time. I just looked at it through a similar lens as Uruguay or Paraguay

[chrome pier]

Especially now that india has the Nuggets tree in the game

[fresh cedar]

Found some of the Afghan paths fun, just smaller in scope than the others from the dlc

[safe plover]

Its not about impact lol, we are far from histortically accuracy (then they shoudlnt have added a tree for afg) . But the fact that they havent done any research for the paths and that they dont fix them despite many people pointing it out , is generally insulting

[fresh cedar]

Think Iraq and India were fixed enough. Iran is meh, but yeah Afghanistan probably could use work

Crazy thing to me though is how Afghanistan was actually the best on launch 😂

Kinda shows how far the dlc came

Really not sure what the goal of the Kurdish path is though

[fresh cedar]

Shouldn’t it be invaded like 1941?

[safe plover]

what do you mean iraq is fixed??? Theres still so much bs going on for iraq kurdistam for example coring all of iraq is bs( Should have made kurdistan as a secret if they rebel against turkey or smth idk ?) YOU CAN REPRESS KURDISH DISSIDENTS AS KURDISTAN BTW

[safe plover]

ofc thats what i mean ,

The whole historical path is complete bs

[fresh cedar]

Yeah idk why it’s 1939, kinda dirty

It’s like having Pearl Harbor fire off before Danzig or war 😂

[fresh cedar]

Think the Kurdish path in general is scuffed

Though it being in Iraq makes some sense to me. Could easily have the same thing for Turkey though

[fresh cedar]

It’s much better than it was is what I’m saying. Clearly isn’t a perfectly refined tree. Though I’m not sure which tree is

[brittle venture]

Iraq makes sense as they were an upper class in the 30s

But it needs to be fleshed out more to make sense

[twin bronze]

wrong chat sorry

[fresh cedar]

Oh definitely. India is a pretty bloated tree and disorganized, but I do like the changes they made. Especially with the Communist and Loyal dominion path

I hate how they did the Afghan civil war I agree. Feels like they tried to counter cheese by just making it unfun

[brittle venture]

Also pakistan unlike before the update like never gets freedom on ahist at least now

Which is fine for india

Bad for afghanistan with a small branch dedicated to them being free

[safe plover]

they renamed it to iraqi royal army, thats still false btw

[brittle venture]

Like i dont get why its that way

[fresh cedar]

If because they became free 1947 irl? Idk

[brittle venture]

Thatd be a good argument if the game kept up with historic time/dates literally at all anywhere

[fresh cedar]

A lot of the German related stuff is pretty close

[brittle venture]

The only historic date you can archieve naturally is sino japanese war

Even rhineland is still a few days off

[fresh cedar]

In an ideal world everything would be on time to the day, but then it wouldn’t really be a dynamic war game

[brittle venture]

Yes i think its fine

[fresh cedar]

It would just be units pushing exact locations at specific times, which imo would be insanely boring bc can cheese it

[brittle venture]

But then i believe nations like pakistan should be able to secede

[fresh cedar]

I agree with Pakistan yeah

[brittle venture]

Also to nerf india progressing "too fast" in loyalist/freedom branches

[fresh cedar]

I really want to try the new dominion path

[brittle venture]

Ill have my first look at it saturday/sunday

Im not playing raj but like mp games

[fresh cedar]

Raj isn’t bad imo

[brittle venture]

It isnt i just dont wanna play it xD

[fresh cedar]

It’s just one of those countries where you’re fighting yourself more than anyone else

Like Turkey

Can’t really get off your feet till 1940-1942

[brittle venture]

Thats literally afghanistan

Tho the afghan tree is kinda goated ngl 👀

Fascism sucks baddly

But left side you can do every path at once and end up communist 🔥

[safe plover]

Its completely op. Just dont get independent bc of course thats completely bugged

[brittle venture]

All the buffs

[fresh cedar]

Did you do the thing where the UK flees to it?

[fresh cedar]

Commie Afghan path is the only good one imo

[brittle venture]

No like

You get all non aligned + demo buffs

As communist

Its based

[safe plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228391038348038211/1367097228015177828/image.png?ex=68135802&is=68120682&hm=32c9f41fab26fb5a325644b509d9d71a485124c631c00ad717843c629b405fcf&

[fresh cedar]

Kinda reminds me of the papacy path for Italy

[safe plover]

Its bs

[fresh cedar]

Can get all the fascist buffs then go it

[fresh cedar]

+35% is wild

[brittle venture]

At least make cls 💔

[safe plover]

Uk ofc should flee to canada but yeah they are just too lazy for that. And the fact that it is just a single focus is bs . It would have a massiv impact

[brittle venture]

Imagine future update

Where dominions have to "contest" where uk flees to

Thatd be cool

Australia isnt that far fetched

[safe plover]

Thats just kaisseredux

[brittle venture]

New zealand is but itd be funny

[brittle venture]

Well yeah but i mean through event chain or smth

Not that deep

[safe plover]

Also kinda dumb they should fix normal focuses before they work on niche and unrealistic scenarios

[brittle venture]

Just cuz a mod does 1 thing right

Doesnt mean the mod should be the game

[fresh cedar]

Don’t they flee to Canada if they go commie?

IMO should be able to choose between Canada or India

Or just choose one of the colonies if they’re loyal

[brittle venture]

We need more colony updates

Theyre fun

Bigger colonies tho

Like arab states for uk unified / syria and lebanon unified under colonial gvmt

Imo

[hearty blade]

general flavor updates

would do the game well

tiny stuff like changing names of cities

etc

goes a long way

in my experience

[fresh cedar]

Think that’s what War Efforts do

Like they have added some stuff to different trees and added the 3rd city size

Like the pentagon ones

[polar jasper]

I decided to look at the PDX forum replies on the prototype vehicle model pack and people didn't know what they were buying?

The expansion pack was a major DLC, a country pack, and a bunch of cosmetic ones.

I knew I was getting cosmetic stuff when buying the expansion pack, I got it because Ride of the Valkyries and it being a one time purchase for multiple DLC

[lofty phoenix]

The prototype vehicles pack looks so cute. The look like Mitsi studio models tbh

[fresh cedar]

Pretty much yeah. They had no idea because they didn’t bother to look into it

[fallen zenith]

Yea its weird to see people going "hey can I get a refund for this" when its always been there in the pack. It tells you exactly what it is

[brittle venture]

Paradox should pay me to play their game, hot take

[fallen zenith]

Also buying GDR and GOE seperately is more expensive than getting the season pass

[astral pewter]

Paradox would have to pay me to play vic 3

[polar jasper]

Another reason I got the expansion pass

[subtle gorge]

I see someone forgot the ping

[polar jasper]

Must have bumped turning it off lol

[pseudo wing]

I had the ping in the PDX central server.... then forgot to do it here

deleted and reposted, but reposted the earlier draft of the message

today is not my day man

lmao

[cobalt jay]

@brittle venture FINALLY
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/the-game-steals-command-power-above-80-upon-reloading.1720261/#post-30319071

[pseudo wing]

Anyone have more bug reports and the issues that I can take a look at for more War Effort stuff?

I finally have time to go around and gather more and relay them to the team (that is if I haven't already seen them before, if I've seen it before then don't repost that aha)

[fresh cedar]

So about that Quebec formable

😂

[pseudo wing]

Listen I WANT IT SO BADLY but its not looking good

I won't stop the demand of it tho aha

[fresh cedar]

Tragic and catastrophic missed opportunity