latest-updates

[hollow coral]

Releasing on the 20th

[deep stag]

Time not date

[hollow coral]

Last i checked the date is a time

But they didnt say the specific time

[deep stag]

Are you American? If yes, we are different in that 🙂

[hollow coral]

im not

[deep stag]

Last week time was around 15.00, so today I guess it will be around 15.00 as well

[trim quartz]

Heads shoulders knees and toes

[thick edge]

A date is a time

[hollow coral]

in what world is the date not a time

[fresh cedar]

Why do people generally ask for a “time and date” then? Normally a date is a day, a time is a specific range of hours (more precise). Like yes a date is technically a measure of time, but in context it is not what they’re referring to

[hollow coral]

i have to say people have to be more specific when they ask for the time

like in context to the question i it could have meant date or hour

[deep stag]

I literally asked "today will be released same time as last week?" I already specified the day, questioned the time.

[hollow coral]

anyways they added a qajar guy to the files

but he wasnt born til 49

[hollow coral]

mb👍

[fresh cedar]

I think that’s kinda just petty semantics but that’s my opinion 😂

[hollow coral]

yes im being petty

[fresh cedar]

But yeah the last patch was 10 AM EST. I’d guess between 10-12 today.

[stable tusk]

Pol Pot moment

[wise oxide]

patch soon omg

[deep stag]

Patch got released, 183 MB. Reboot Steam.

[wispy whale]

Where patchnotes

https://tenor.com/view/suspiriaangel-suspiria-angel-monkey-news-gif-24806015

[cobalt jay]

@pseudo wing Where patch notes?

[deep stag]

Finally when starting as British Raj

[pseudo wing]

u gotta give me like 3 seconds aha

[thick edge]

My fish reaction got removed

This is offensive

[deep stag]

Sorry for ringing the bells on your behalf

[pseudo wing]

it auto removed it since one was added at the same time, react to the fish one now that I've added

[thick edge]

This is why ur my fav green role

[subtle onyx]

Does anyone know what updated

[thick edge]

Read patch notes

[rocky oasis]

That is just wrong. He was born in 1899. Does he have the wrong name in the files?

[drifting star]

lol bros just making things up

Will the content of goe be changed?

[quick sleet]

Iran cores fix

They can corr all the middle east right?

[mild otter]

How do you get him as Iran?

[crisp fiber]

they should add kailaasa to hoi4

[thick edge]

I know the sale ends today

But when today

[obtuse wren]

25 minutes

[thick edge]

Nooooooooo

[safe plover]

communist afghanistan is still a fing generic leader .

Yeah even with the newest patch the dlch is still a disgrace

[vagrant hemlock]

Maybe I'm drawing a complete blank but isn't there deposits of bauxite in Afghanistan and do we get to mine them at some point?

[quick sleet]

At least iran more playable

[merry radish]

welp any version of 1.16 doesnt work now for me

[fading heath]

I love the game, I love this weekly updates. But they have to keep updating it like this every week for at least half a year to fix even a years old bugs... :/

[jaunty nymph]

when will pdx fix the volunteer glitch of not getting strength

[merry radish]

i cant even play the dlc because my game keeps braking even after reinstal but the moment i launch an older version it works perfectly

[stable tusk]

Yeah I don't understand why instead of changing your cosmetic tag they just released you as Kurdistan

[hollow coral]

Idk i searched up his name and the first thing it came up with was he was born in 49

Guess google gave me the second hassan

[hollow coral]

💔

[subtle onyx]

If anyone needs help with Iraq lmk

[rocky oasis]

That is Hassan Mirza II!

[hollow coral]

Yes i see now

Thats just what came up first ig🤷‍♂️

But it is fact not the guy in the files

They should rename iraqs army spirits

Army is just boring

Royal iraqi army

[fresh cedar]

How’s the new dlc with the most recent fix?

[safe plover]

Doesnt address the real gameplay issues and mostly fixes random unimportant bugs

It doesnt even fix the ottoman empire

And byzantine

[wooden wyvern]

Do these dlcs usually come out this broken or is it this obe specifically

[safe plover]

Not this broken, broken yes but this is a new level of shamelessness

[fresh cedar]

This one specifically has by a large margin been the most broken

I really liked TOA though. Had lots of room for expansion and civil wars that didn’t involve war with superpowers

[polar jasper]

You want to know something funny?

Playing the UK with alt history means that you are going to lose India and are probably going to go to war...

You are now no longer world tension locked out of focuses. Get rid of all your debuffs if you rush them all

So in 1937, you should be able to have 0 debuffs

I never really saw the hate for ToA

It was better than BftB, so it was good for me

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, and even if unbalanced on launch was easily one of the most fun DLC

And it worked? 😂

[fresh cedar]

Plus UK on alt history goes to war by 1938 like the majority of games now

[signal cargo]

Toa imo is the best country pack followed by goe then bftb

[mossy tide]

Why tf this decision costs 350 pp

[signal cargo]

Crazyy

[zinc cradle]

whats wrong with these two empires?

[dusk mist]

That's crazy

Which country is this

Oh India?

[mossy tide]

Yeah

[dusk mist]

Does it remove the whole modifier?

Like what's left of it?

[mossy tide]

It removes 3% every time you click it XD

Like, 3% for 350 pp is wild

[dusk mist]

ugh

that's terrible

[fresh cedar]

Because “balanced”

Just take the focus that removes the percentage every year

[polar jasper]

Me when I industrialize India with a simple click of a button.

To be fair, the 350pp to adjust it a little sounds realistic

[fresh cedar]

The one thing you can get removes like 3-9% every 9 months I believe?

If you max it

Not great but does add up

[quick sleet]

only califa iraq is good as Iraq

[terse viper]

what's this?

[subtle gorge]

a patch

1.16 to specify

[thick edge]

All the info we know is in that image

[fresh cedar]

Not to be confused with knee

It’s a shoulder

[fresh cedar]

That and can go fascist after Caliph

Which is also good

[quick sleet]

What i do always it's pretty broken buff

But it must be fixed and some changes

[fresh cedar]

It’s pretty fun though

I do like how the trees differ

Communist trees for all of them kinda suck though

Like communist trees for TOA were amazing

[quick sleet]

But the arab federation is useless the califa path better

[fresh cedar]

None of these communist trees remotely match them

[fresh cedar]

They can core Iran, no?

[quick sleet]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Like Arab federation cores Iran I thought

[quick sleet]

No, spain

Ohh

Maybe

But you get all cores from focus

[fresh cedar]

I’ll check, was gonna play it

Arab federation cores occupied lands I think

Similar to TOA

[quick sleet]

I think you can't core iran

[fresh cedar]

I’ll have to check

Actually had a fun game as Fascist India yesterday

Starting to get gradually better

Only communist path that was good was afghanistan*

[quick sleet]

But with the chlifa you core in 210 days iberia north africa and all the arab countries in middle east

[quick sleet]

It seems like

[quick sleet]

And it's not wow also

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s like Umayyad formable but worse

Morocco gets this

The addition of Turkey, Russia, Iran and Afghanistan make a big difference

But Iraq can’t with those

Kind of a bummer but still strong

[thick edge]

Why is there a hold

Hole*

In turkey

[fresh cedar]

Yeah just okay

[fresh cedar]

Idk if it’s intended or they forgot

[quick sleet]

Exactly without iran and eastern

[drifting star]

It’s so silly

[drifting star]

The Pashtun acdendnecy is a dumb name imo

[harsh hull]

Another patch, but the 6 million missing core population of Burma is still unaccounted for

What did Paradox mean by this

[safe plover]

Misssing cores

[astral pagoda]

anyone know what the teal highlighted area means? I tried clicking on it but that didnt tell me anything, im not sure if this is from one of the mods i might have on or not.

[safe plover]

Look at delhi

[zinc cradle]

yea sounds like hoi4

[safe plover]

Old bug from when we had a highlight like this used for required states, still not fixed

[astral pagoda]

ohhh i gotcha

[safe plover]

India still doesnt have the peace with uk or integration of princes in the mughal path

While they fixed the reichskommisariat for india, the middle eastern one still isnt

[polar jasper]

You were in naval mode and looked at the strait and then went back to army mode when you still were hovering over it.

I didn't realize there was a strait there

[astral pagoda]

not sure, i was playing as afganistan and i dont remember opening naval mode

[tacit sequoia]

ngl i just had a thought for a potential USA rework, since its mostly doing bills and all that jazz...

if they are to rework the US focus tree for a new dlc, i got a gut feeling all the paths are going to either be bills, or warpaths, or both but in a similar pattern as they are, while expanding more left depending on what you want (social-democratic/progressivist bills) or more right with more laissez-faire/conservative bills that has a further split of a expansion on CSA + Fascist America tree, then a expansion on communist america tree splitting from social democratic, though it depends on what paradox wants to do.

possibly a rework for advisors and such too? who knows.

though tbh im waiting for a chinese country pack and a japanese-usa dlc combo, since all 3 have an important part (plus 80 years since iwo jima, and that all 3 have their own reasons, specifically kamikaze and pacific war rework since its lackluster with ways to invade each island as USA.)

[hollow coral]

I highly doubt there would be two majors in the dlc

The last dlc with two majors was man the guns

How does stuff by regions now for dlcs

And a usa dlc by itself would make a ton of money i would guess

Putting it together with japan would limit revenue in the future

[tacit sequoia]

Good point but there’s other places where revenue could be made (little entente nations, Arabian Peninsula, Africa, Central America, Caribbean, etc.)

[harsh hull]

After this Graveyard of Empires fiasco, they're probably going to be a bit more picky with the regions they choose for the Country Packs (if they do another Country Pack after this)

Arabian Peninsula, Central America, and the north of South America? Probably not on the table for now

[hollow coral]

Only difference between country packs and dlcs are that dlc add features so they probably will do another country pack

[harsh hull]

Well aware of the difference

You missed the point

[hollow coral]

😐

I dont see the region being why the dlc was bad though

[dusk mist]

Surprisingly, that is historically accurate

[dusk mist]

They are skiing

Secret Burmese ski resorts

[quick sleet]

Graveyard of empires achievement?

[hallow torrent]

the rest of iraq is still there

you also need to own the ports that portugal and france have that you core

[quick sleet]

yeah i got all of them

this company is broken

[dusky bay]

the sands of time achievement requires you to "own the entire middle east". this is what counts as "the middle east" to paradox lmao

why georgia and armenia? why only half of afghanistan? why 1 province of india? who could say

[subtle gorge]

💀

how are the labelled as middle east 😭 💀

[drifting star]

Crazy how north Afghanistan isn’t

[tawny basin]

Afghanistan is central asia

[drifting star]

Not anymore

[wooden wyvern]

Afghanistan is debatable tbh

Like idk myfirst question would be why egypt isnt there

[sweet seal]

the pharaohs curse

[fresh cedar]

Feel like India, Pakistan or other parts of India should be formable nations for all the countries within India. Would be nice if Khalistan or other princely states could carve out their own little sections of india or form India

[normal sigil]

prussia should be easier to release

[polar jasper]

You can release it at game start, so quite easy

Well to release it, you fragment all of Germany

[fresh cedar]

Current Persian empire max cores. Around 85-90 mil population.

Cost like 4K pp to core though. Feel like it should be cheaper, more like 30 pp per state, not 75

Considering TOA nations can get like 120+ mil for cheaper. It does seem a bit underwhelming

[quick sleet]

Stronger than ottoman empire?

[fresh cedar]

Don’t think so

[quick sleet]

Which doctrine you used

[drifting star]

Ottoman path needs war goals on mid east

And way better national spirits

[fresh cedar]

Always superior firepower

[quick sleet]

What your divisions

[quick sleet]

I do 8/4 art with eng art rocket support

Great attack with this doctrine

[dusk mist]

TBF toa nations are a tad stronger than the standard

[fresh cedar]

They were*

[dusk mist]

What happened to them?

[fresh cedar]

They were nerfed to be on par or weaker

[dusk mist]

I know they got nerfed but i thought they were still pretty amazing

Even after the nerf

[fresh cedar]

Like pretty much the standard div attack buff is within the 5-15% range. Some GDR and GOE are still within the 10-15 range but TOA are now under 10%

While they used to be from 20-30% buffs

[dusk mist]

Oh my gosh

[fresh cedar]

Argentina used to have like a 28% buff, now it’s like 6-8%

And pretty much all their buffs were scaled to lose 1/3 or 1/2 of their stats like that

[dusk mist]

I see

I do agree that 4k pp is way too expensive for Iran though

That's so many years worth of pp

[fresh cedar]

To me, manpower is very important too. Many GDR countries can core Europe or at the very least expand greatly. Italy can form the Roman Empire. TOA can unite South America. All pretty much getting anywhere between 120-400 mil manpower. Pretty much putting them on par with the US or China.

[fresh cedar]

It just seems really expensive yeah, for somewhat limited reward. On top of that, it just has sub par buffs and spirits too? In many cases half as strong as those in NSB, GDR, TOE, AAT

If anything, it’s comparable to BFTB. Yet even more reserved. Like India is an exception and Caliph Iraq sorta comes close. But they play it extremely safe

I’d like there to be more formables, spirits or something to make up for the much harder starting position that they have in comparison to TOA or GDR

[shy hornet]

no asian union formable 💔

[fresh cedar]

Wish there was that, an incremental Arab formable, a Persian empire formable, special communist formables (like Germany had in GDR, South Americans in TOA) or smaller formables for India

I do think they’ve come a long way with GOE though and it is playable and fun now

[dusk mist]

Ironic

They add nuclear Gandhi but decide to play it safe with the buffs and formables

[stable tusk]

Because the Asian Union was never really proposed

[fresh cedar]

Yet Assyria can return, Germany can make an imperial European Union, Roman Empire can return, and South America can unite

[dusk mist]

Roman Empire is fair enough

[fresh cedar]

20 combat with Inf with arty and engineer support, pretty much all you can afford as these countries.

[dusk mist]

That was Mussolini's dream

But the others yeah

[fresh cedar]

All of them are dreams pretty much. I don’t see why one country such as Italy would have it be more valid

[dusk mist]

Cause I don't know about the others

[fresh cedar]

Like Papal States can take over and form the Roman Empire. Legit anything is plausible lol

[dusk mist]

So I only can speak for Italy

[stable tusk]

Well EU makes sense idk about an Imperial one, Assyria had a bazillion independence movements, Roman Empire is Mussolini's wet dream, South America was proposed a few times and there's an economic union of South America now
Asia tho there was really nothing, maybe a Central Asia formable or a ASEAN formable ig

[fresh cedar]

Japans faction, Co Proesperity sphere basically is the idea of a united Asia

[dusk mist]

East Asia yeah

[fresh cedar]

Arab Union was a thing too. And it is sorta represented though could be bigger in game

[fresh cedar]

Nah they legit wanted a pan Asian Union

Like all of Asia not just East

[dusk mist]

Like with Russia and Iran and stuff?

And Afghanistan?

Could be cool ig

[fresh cedar]

Directly was China, Korea and Japan as one country. But was also to limit Soviet and western influence in all of Asia

So think USA with the Monroe doctrine but in Asia

[dusk mist]

I mean I had never heard of Japan having any ambitions in like West Asia

Or central Asia

That's all

[fresh cedar]

Was initially meant for the three countries but later wanted to expand it further into India and Southeast Asia. Logically would encompass more. Similar to Mussolinis idea or a European Union

[dusk mist]

Yeah I know about India and southeast Asia

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t be surprised if an updated Japan/China had a pan Asian scope

[dusk mist]

But like this is still South - southeast - east thingy

But even that is plenty ig

[fresh cedar]

India had also dabbled with it but it was a dead idea by the 1960’s

I could see a communist path pursuing this though

IMO the communist paths for GOE were extremely lacking in scope and content

These were some of the coolest paths in GDR and TOA so it’s weird they basically had zero formables or expansion in this

[fresh cedar]

Hoping that a future dlc may do that

[rigid harness]

game in 1.16.1 should I do the update or not? what's new?

[hollow coral]

I think sun yat sen supported pan asianism and japan did too definitely

[fresh cedar]

Patches

[rigid harness]

Thx

[fresh cedar]

New DLC is now playable after the patches. If you wanted to wait to play, I’d say just wait for “operation shoulder” as it’ll be much more refined then

[mossy tide]

Operation shoulder will be released on thursday (said by the devs)

[pseudo wing]

it should be sometime this week, yeah

[rigid harness]

Where can i see the news?

[fresh cedar]

Like the patch notes or what

[fresh cedar]

Oh cool! Looking forward to it. Heard it’s substantial

[drifting star]

You know what would be cool the ottomans getting focus to take middle eastern states

[fresh cedar]

Don’t they? Thought they could core the middleast and North Africa

[drifting star]

They can they just do not get war goals

[fresh cedar]

Really? No wargoals?

Haven’t played ottomans in a while. Too slow to get started

[digital pumice]

i think he means they dont get wargoals on the new middle eastern puppets

but the wargoals on their overlords should be enough

[fresh cedar]

Ah that makes sense.

Honestly was kinda bummed Greece didn’t get buffed by the Hagia Sofia.

Might try an ottoman run soon or wait till the war effort

[digital pumice]

not worth it imo

you have to fight the entire axis and allies by yourself

in shitty terrain

and you only get to start fighting so late in

that ai is already way up ahead

[fresh cedar]

So like it’s always been

[fresh cedar]

It’s an uphill battle for sure but once you get those Middleastern cores it’s fun. Kinda like how difficult the Ottomans were

[rigid harness]

Thx

[fresh cedar]

What were you asking to see? Forum posts, patch notes?

[rigid harness]

The future update the team of paradox public for us

[fresh cedar]

It’s on the HOI4 official forums. Specifically within the post they made addressing GOE and the future

[rigid harness]

Oh thanks

[slate jackal]

Hi

[bright spade]

Hello there

[signal cargo]

Ello

[wise oxide]

war effort on friday?

[fresh cedar]

I believe Thursday but who knows

[drifting star]

When will next dev diary come out

The Japan rework will save HOI4

[pseudo wing]

if you mean patch, that'll be later this week, if you mean an actual DD I have no idea

[pseudo wing]

(forgot I didnt finish the message, dont mind me its been a long day lol)

[drifting star]

It’s all good I didn’t notice till just now lmao

[fresh cedar]

Thought you died mid sentence

[pseudo wing]

I have been running on no sleep this entire day it might've been better if I had ngl lmao

[fresh cedar]

That’s never good

[pseudo wing]

eh, happens, my body is super sensitive to weather changes and its march, so canada gets 6 seasons in 4 weeks lmao

[fresh cedar]

Hate when it’s one of those things you just have to stay awake or else sleep schedule is DONE

[fresh cedar]

Same here, NH isn’t super far from Canada and we went from a 60 degree day to snow in 2 days

[pseudo wing]

I had snow 2 days ago, yesterday was warm rain, today it was back to snow

im getting whiplash out here

[fresh cedar]

Yeah it’s awful. Really just want warmth again

[pseudo wing]

I just want consistent weather

I prefer winter bc i can use a blanket, but summer weather being consistent is also acceptable

[fresh cedar]

The consistent cold weather is very tiring at the moment 😂

I wouldn’t mind winter if I didn’t have to commute to work in it

[terse viper]

when is this releasing?

[drifting star]

When I become the king of England

[open relic]

[drifting star]

Fun fact almost every us president is related to a British monarch

[open relic]

THAT IS ENGLAND MINISTER OF DEFENSE

[fresh cedar]

Uh? <@&846894118219022336>

Bizarre stuff

[pseudo wing]

that is fair, I totally also have a very long commute from my warm and cozy bed to my chair with a blanket in my office ik ik

[pseudo wing]

this week, cant give exact time date tho

[pure schooner]

Whats in operation shoulder?

More bug fixes?

[fresh cedar]

It’s a war effort patch, which generally will make additions or change content, so more than a bug fix. I believe Arheo said this one would be substantial

[fresh cedar]

I wish 😭

[pseudo wing]

bug fixes, some balance changes and more, but I can't spoil the surprise

you will have to just wait and see the chunky list

[quick sleet]

😘

[drifting star]

A surprise

Oh boy

[polar jasper]

The surprise: A pro-British and 3 monarchist paths are added for India

And a path for Pakistan

Source: trust me bro

[drifting star]

Qajar dynasty ?

Ambullah caliphate

[pseudo wing]

less so a specific surprise and more of a surprise about how much is in the war effort

there are some cool things in there, though, imo

[drifting star]

Any new focuses?

[pseudo wing]

I don't think so but I know more than a few were touched on in the list

but there might be a few changes between now and when it comes out so who knows

[drifting star]

Hashemite should get an event if ottomans are restored

And something like “memories of the Great War “ as a negative opinion modifier

Same thing with Saudi and other countries in balkens

[crisp saddle]

Guys I feel like CAS should destroy equipment and lower org even when not attacking, I think it would be more realistic, and make planes and air superiority more important, I'm not sure how often this happened in WW2 but I know it happened when the Germans Encircled Dunkirk

And it happens a lot in real life like in desert storm

[polar jasper]

Just wait until he discovers logistic strikes

[crisp saddle]

is that a dlc

[floral scaffold]

Yh logi strikes destroy enemy trucks

Getting air supp for med bombers is a good way to cripple the frontline

[fresh cedar]

It effectively already does with logistics strikes but also by damaging divisions.

[quick sleet]

So today we get new patch

[fresh cedar]

Or tomorrow, though I’d guess today

[wise oxide]

hoi tomorrow (today i hope)

John Hoi IV

[quick sleet]

Change to focus they said

[fresh cedar]

War efforts generally do yeah

[quick sleet]

What do you think gonna be

[fresh cedar]

No idea honestly

[spice coral]

YESSS UPDATE

@pseudo wing i love you sir

[thick edge]

Armored car buffs

I know what I’m doing

[trim quartz]

LETS GOOO BABYYY 🔥🔥🔥

[dense gale]

Multiplayer: Fixed an issue where players would be unable to send chat messages in the lobby if their DLC configuration differed from the host

this is finally fixed 🥰

[drifting star]

I have never once played multiplayer

[hushed shuttle]

They prioritised putting decent armoured car buffs above tanks

[edgy walrus]

• Reworked the "Greater Indonesia" formable nation
• Reworked the Arabia formable

Can you give us more details about it?

[hushed shuttle]

They now require a double world conquest

[tired acorn]

'The Italian focus "Italian Irredentism" now correctly targets the state Var instead of Asir-Makkah"
I through that was intentional the whole time lol

[drifting star]

Me too I thought it had to do with the protector of Islam thing

[slender patrol]

are armored cars viable now?

[static granite]

idk I just spam artillery

[slender patrol]

gonna use armored cars instead of tanks cuz im lazy to design them lmao

[dusk mist]

Latest update is fire

[dusk mist]

Ikr best update ever

[coral drift]

Love ya

[primal hemlock]

yall this is HUGE

i liked armored cars beacuse of the plains and desert speed buff before but thats a lot of buffs

[dusk mist]

Ik its great

[dense gale]

its not really

it still has the same flaws

terrible org

[primal hemlock]

it is for me and imo it fixes the pretty bad soft attack it had before

[dense gale]

non existent hp

[dense gale]

its not the soft attack that is bad

it was the hp

it doesnt have any so it melts in any battles

[primal hemlock]

tanks have terrible org and hp

[dense gale]

which is why u pair them with mech

+10% soft to nothing

is still nothing

[primal hemlock]

i use it like cavarly from the medieval to napoleonic eras

they dont fight battles on even terms, they go after units i sent retreating once before

[dense gale]

than u might as well use cav

because cav is unironically stronger than armored cars

[pure schooner]

They fixed mp chat bug

Like finally

But they didnt fix the dlc bug

Host dlx

[primal hemlock]

cav is more rigid

[dense gale]

how tho

its a unit type

theres nothing rigid about it

u use the same equip as inf

cav iand ac uses the same slot

[primal hemlock]

less tech and doctrine buff

[dense gale]

tf

since when did armored car have doctrine buffs lol

also they have more

the inf brance affects cav 😭

in tech tree

[primal hemlock]

fair but you get a ridiculus speed buff on plains and desert which is the main reason i use them

[dense gale]

but if u want speed u just use mot?

[primal hemlock]

mot is slower still

[dense gale]

no

mot move at 12

ac move at 9?

[spare mesa]

Does the update break saves? Im currently busy with testing out new KX stuff and i hope the save doesn't break.

[dense gale]

no

[spare mesa]

Good

[dense gale]

9.9 if u max iw

[dusk mist]

Mot is 12

Ac can be boosted by other things though

[dense gale]

u can boost ac if u upgrade

but than u can do it to mech too?

which supplants mot

[primal hemlock]

i've got to go but nice talking to yall

[dense gale]

u see how it makes no sense at all right

equal in tech level

if u look at it at equal tech level

[dusk mist]

Mech is slow

[dense gale]

everything beats ac out

[dense gale]

u can upgrade speed on mech too

[dusk mist]

Nowhere near as fast though for same tech level

And armoured cars get terrain buffs

And I think mio

[dense gale]

max level ac move at 15 base

max level mech at 12

[dusk mist]

No way

[dense gale]

u losee all ur org and hp

[dusk mist]

That's crazy

[dense gale]

to move 3km faster

?

[dusk mist]

3km h faster is so good i love that

Speeeeeed

[dense gale]

how are u going to click stuff

with no org or hp?

[dusk mist]

With the mech

[dense gale]

tf

[dusk mist]

Armoured cars don't click stuff

They are fast

[dense gale]

truly next level gameplay here

[dusk mist]

Fr

They are not breakthrough units

They exploit the breakthroughs

[dense gale]

u want to go that way

u can make a light tank

that can go faster than that

[dusk mist]

More expensive

[dense gale]

again u see the falacy?

u guys are making very stupid reason to justify ac being of any use

[dusk mist]

What price?

[dense gale]

the only thing they fixed for ac

is its now the best suppression unit

[dusk mist]

Price

They fixed price

[dense gale]

no

[dusk mist]

Check patch notes

[dense gale]

u can make a lt

to do that

[dusk mist]

They made it cheaper and tanks more expensive

[dense gale]

the best suppression is because of price

sure

but literally every other case tanks are better

[dusk mist]

Not for cheap fast unit

[dense gale]

u do know the ic change for tank barely changed right

[dusk mist]

Armoured car is cheaper and faster early game

[dense gale]

because most of the price came from ur guns and modules

[dusk mist]

Check patch notes, tanks increased a bit, armoured car cheaper significantly

[dire meteor]

Heyo ! Anyone can explain me what they mean by "reworked Greater indonesia" ? like concretely what did they changed ?

[dense gale]

nope

[dusk mist]

almost identical it seems but armoured car has no MIO there

armoured car also seems to have much less fuel usage

what is org like for tank?

tank is slightly more expensive - i assume it would be more without MIO

armoured car is faster

[dusk mist]

tank slightly more damage

[dense gale]

but they both alr have nonexistent org and hp

[dusk mist]

you see not so bad

[dense gale]

but theres no reason to make that lt design

[dusk mist]

armoured car beats tank (which has MIO) in some places, and vice versa

[dusk mist]

speeeeeed

[dense gale]

tanks benefit from being able to scale in soft

[dusk mist]

sure at higher price

that is not ac's purpose

also you have other modifiers there

cause light tank's speed went from 8 to 8.5

8 in design 8.5 in template

[dense gale]

for just 3 ic more

u quadruple the tank stats

u cant do that with the armoured car

[dusk mist]

*triple

[dusk mist]

no but u make more armoured cars

and swarm

speeeeed

[dense gale]

quadruple

25 divide by 6.6

[dusk mist]

25/8

your previous one had 8

[dense gale]

compared to ac

[dusk mist]

🤦

[dusk mist]

right

[dense gale]

ac falters in every aspect

[dusk mist]

well as said previously it's the speed and price

[dense gale]

apart from suppression

[dusk mist]

also you have MIO

can you put MIO on ac btw?

[dense gale]

mot is cheaper

and faster

[dusk mist]

more manpower i guess?

i'm struggling here

[dense gale]

and the mot also has no mio applied

[dusk mist]

mot mio isn't all that good imo

[dense gale]

armored car just doesnt excel at anything

apart from suppression

[dusk mist]

maybe mot has worse terrain modifiers?

idk i'm grasping at straws

ac my beloved

well mot has no hardness, that's something

phew something

[dense gale]

the only tile u are slower in is in forest

but yea hardness

[dusk mist]

but mot also has 60 org and 25 hp

[dense gale]

but mot has way more org and hp

[dusk mist]

man mot is great

[dense gale]

so its also way more survivable

armored cars need a greater buff to their hp and org

to bring them more inline with the other unit types

[dusk mist]

hp at least for sure

but hey the update was progress

better than before

[dense gale]

yea

[fresh cedar]

Was finally able to read the patch

This is pretty big

Lots of good changes and fixes. Wish Byzantium/Greece was able to get buffs from the Hagia Sofia but it’s not a big deal

Holy crap the Arabian formable changes are amazing

Thx Lily 😭

[novel panther]

Advanced lights cost 3 and advanced mediums cost 4.25
I think I'm going to get stomach cancer, this sh*t is too much for me
Who thought it was a good idea to increase the cost of the light tank by 50% of it's original ic and simultaneously only increasing the cost of a medium by 6.25%???

[fresh cedar]

To incentivize using other classes ig

[novel panther]

WTF man?

This just makes lights useless

I used lights instead of mediums because fun and cheap

Now it's literally worse

Like actually no point in making any

[fresh cedar]

Probably will be rolled back in the next patch. Just a swinging pendulum

Doubt it’ll be as good as it was though

[novel panther]

Lights have worse stats AND cost more with these changes

I sure hope they fix this

[fresh cedar]

Will really want to see how it plays out in game. Seems like rather big tweaks.

[novel panther]

You know how it will play out? Badly. Now there is no alternative to the medium meta

[quick sleet]

Iraq playable

[fresh cedar]

100%, just need Oman, Yemen and Saudi to form Arabia. Then it’s incremental like Umayyad now

It’s a drastically better formable

[quick sleet]

Interesting about the goe changes on next month

[quick sleet]

Finally like the European union

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

Even the Levant has its own little section in it

And then Egypt too

[quick sleet]

It's now great

[fresh cedar]

It’s how it always should’ve been and how most formables should be imo

It’s great though

[quick sleet]

Exactly

Next update they will change all the content?

The 4 countries

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t say all content but some for sure

This one seemed to try and fix many things that were wrong outside of GOE which players wanted. The next being GOE changes. (Still on GOE of course with some)

[quick sleet]

I mean they will change a little bit the tree of all of them or something

Or change the effects

[quick sleet]

Of course a lot of bugs

But maybe idk let afganian form caliphate with a lot of cores 35 day focus part of them

[fresh cedar]

I would like to see some formables for those yeah!

Formables in the decision tab seem so much more rewarding than focus granted cores, even if they’re identical

[quick sleet]

Maybe let Afghanistan to form groups in islamic countries and them annex them

[fresh cedar]

I liked the idea of them focusing on the Soviet steppe too

[quick sleet]

Yes but annex later and core would be cool

[fresh cedar]

Would certainly give a goal to work towards

[quick sleet]

What about iran all is ok now?

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t really get many changes this time around

[uncut tulip]

I was trilled by goe

But then came the first gameplay videos

[fresh cedar]

Same, was very sad on release. It’s playable and fun now though!

[uncut tulip]

Cand the indian company still buy the entire world or whatever

Which makes 0 sense

[fresh cedar]

Idk haven’t touched it. Only played it once

[uncut tulip]

Like the soviets let you buy the oil field of baku

Like really now

[fresh cedar]

Or how the US/UK let you buy panama/suez

[uncut tulip]

LOL

trully best dlc

Why not just give canada a focus that give them 100M man power

Thats also very realistic

[fresh cedar]

Anarchists could core the world. I just found their system more realistic than the EIC

[fresh cedar]

Feel like if done well enough, that too could be realistic. Feel like EIC should get progressively more expensive/harder to annex lands the bigger it is. And shouldn’t be able to buy such strategic locations

[uncut tulip]

There was a suez crisis cause the value of it was... for the time at least beyond money

Buying land beyond india makes little sense

And THAT FAR MAKES 0 SENSE

[fresh cedar]

Should be like its current cost for Indian lands or British colonies near it. But the further it goes, it gets drastically more expensive till the point it can’t really expand anymore outside of war

Don’t mind the buying system. But should just be a means of preparing you for war. Not a replacement for war

[uncut tulip]

If it was that easy to just buy land, there would have been 0 wars

Or almost

Problem is that land usually house your pop, and your pop is your nation.

So selling land is difficult cause the pricetag, the realistic one, is often very high.

To sum it up @fresh cedar the mechanic JUST AT ITS CORE makes already little sense. But on top of that you can buy the f baku fields

Im telling you, this should jsut stick to india and surounding british colonies

Nothing else

[tame blade]

Operation toes confirmed

[fresh cedar]

That’s why I said like Raj and probably Burma. Beyond that, should need war

Maybe Malaysia possible but that’s even a stretch

[quick sleet]

In 3000 years

[uncut tulip]

If it is the way they gonna fix it they should just make it 1 million years

[tawny basin]

I think maybe the middle eastern colonies too

I mean they had Aden

[fresh cedar]

I’d just rather a standalone British colony in the middleast with the ability to do that tbh

[tawny basin]

Ceylon, maldives, and indian oceab territory too

[tawny basin]

eh

its at the end of the day for fun

[fresh cedar]

Would just rather them get it through war at that point IG

Relies a little too heavily on buying cheese

[harsh hull]

My tankettes, NO

[digital pumice]

Paradox really butchered light tanks with this

But i mean its not like they were good irl

They were quickly replaced and used solely for support and reconaissance roles

[fresh cedar]

Mediums more expensive too. Though tbh never used them outside of support companies

[dense gale]

Its not that big of a deal

Since the chassis isnt really that much of the tabk cost

Most of ur ic would come from ur gun

Hmg

And engine clicks

[novel panther]

It is a really big deal actually, the only reason why you would go lights is that they were cheaper, now that’s not even true

How am I supposed to make light SPGs now?

Literally mediums just got a buff

[wise oxide]

armored car is support is meta now for breakthrough

[dusk mist]

yeah i hate that

[dusk mist]

well mediums also got more expensive

[dusk mist]

they increased the prices on almost all the tanks

not just lights

[dusk mist]

imo way too much memery in the dlc

more memes than dlc

[uncut tulip]

1 hard to get easter egg like the polar bears or vojtek as poland head of state is something

having only that is another

[fresh cedar]

Nah, really isn’t.

[pseudo wing]

There should be a Hotfix coming out today to address that retreat issue that came with yesterday's patch for some people ✅

[molten cloud]

yeah but a light chassis going from 1 to 2 ic cost hits far harder than a 3.5 cost chassis going to slightly over 4

like

Improved Light Tank Chassis Production Cost Increased from 1.6 IC to 2.7 IC
Improved Medium Tank Chassis Production Cost Increased from 3.2 IC to 4 IC

thats only part of it

the second part is

Medium Three-Man Turret Production Cost Increased from 2 IC to 2.25 IC
Light Three-Man Turret Production Cost Increased from 1 IC to 1.5 IC

so mediums cost 1.05 more IC with a three man turret

Lights cost 1.6 more ic with a three man turret, and light tanks are supposed to be a cheap worse alternative to mediums

one of these gets pierced by level 1 support AA in infantry divisions and has 15 less breakthrough
(singleplayer high soft attack oriented designs)

[uncut tulip]

camels better

[molten cloud]

based camels

[fresh cedar]

Elephants literally stomping tanks out like some WH40K titan

[uncut tulip]

totally logical

[novel panther]

The comparative price difference is insane though

The price of the improved light is almost double what it used to be

[dense gale]

Light has always been terrible value

Even prenerf the med chassis was only 1 icmore

U only really do light for the larp

[fresh cedar]

Murk, let them complain.

It’s all they know

[novel panther]

I like my meme divisions

7/7 light spg div was fun

[fresh cedar]

They need to add the Tog 2

[novel panther]

Now it’s just too expensive

[fresh cedar]

It’s imperative

Apart from the flying wing 3d model, paradox has mentioned it will add further special projects. What do you guys think they’ll add?

[pseudo wing]

What are some other ones you'd wanted to see?

[thick edge]

i guess half the suggestion will be against the geneva convention

[fresh cedar]

If I had to add some.

1. Gliders, cheaper transport planes, but less range
2. Maybe nightvision reworked to give a few more buffs and to be a special project
3. Goliath tracked mine (support vehicle acts like AT)
4. Tactical Nuclear devices (maybe a nuclear alternative late game to super heavy arty)
5. Nuclear powered tanks (extremely expensive to produce but further range)

[silent flame]

hey so I played an mp game yesterday, and my understanding is that retreating is not really a thing anymore when you get attacked, or something along those lines. Is there any plan to revert that? It had quite a big impact on the game

[pseudo wing]

was hotfixed earlier today

[pseudo wing]

was not intended, some people had it, some people didnt

[silent flame]

ah brilliant appreciate it

[pseudo wing]

ofc, I also updated the patch notes on the Forum and Steam so that you also had the new Checksum, which is 639e

[uncut tulip]

lore accurate medicine that made blitzkrieg possible

[pseudo wing]

I don't think we're adding Meth to the game

[uncut tulip]

LOL

vro... 1984

[pseudo wing]

nono, less so 1984, that was made wayyyyy earlier

lmao

[uncut tulip]

lol

[pseudo wing]

but fr, we wouldn't be adding things like that to the game, it doesn't really offer anything positive to the game

[uncut tulip]

are you guys planning to fix the thingmabob were the east Indian company can buy like the soviet oil fields of baku

[thick edge]

so we cant get ||blurred by the convention||

[uncut tulip]

like you know seems a bit special

[pseudo wing]

the what in the what now

what are we referring to

[thick edge]

hoi4

[uncut tulip]

the last dlc

[pseudo wing]

I understand the base reference, but what do you mean by 'fixing' being able to purchase a specific piece of land

im not sure I see the connection on why it is a problem rn

The EIC expands by purchasing land, what restriction are we looking for?

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/jimcarey-duh-jim-carrey-eyeroll-gif-5360514

[uncut tulip]

i mean yeah but like okay but the price for the oil fields is like the same as other stuff (at least from waht ive seen) and the AI just goes like (YEAH WHATEVER)

the concept for a game is fine doesnt have to be hyper realistic

[pseudo wing]

oh, so you want some kind of weighting for resource rich areas?

[uncut tulip]

but thats stretching it a bit

[uncut tulip]

it would make sense

[pseudo wing]

its a decent suggestion

[uncut tulip]

and a heavy one, so like the ai doesnt just give you 90% of their oil

which cripples them

like thats so dumb

[pseudo wing]

Though of course I dont make the decisions, I could see that being used, but then again isn't the EIC expansion already quite difficult in the sense that it'd take 100's of years to get everything?

(through peaceful expansion via it's tax evasion mechanic)

[uncut tulip]

[pseudo wing]

well, I'd not say 'difficult' but rather long-winded

difficult in the sense that you'd have to commit to a long playthrough to get everything peacefully

[molten cloud]

make them reachable by irl timetables and reshuffle some of them around first

getting jet engines (and axial jet engines at that) by 1944 is hard unless you deliberately go for them and ignore everything else
some of it feels perfectly fine (railway gun, flame tanks, armored support company, radar, cruiser submarines, super heavy battleships, fleet submarines, anechoic tiles)
others feel extremely expensive for what they are and make minimal historical sense timetable/cost wise, the rocket interceptor takes 480 days to do for example, the jet engines take forever (almost 2 years) and cost 3 breakthrough points, for basic jet engines, not even axials, both combined take 5 breakthroughs and 1400 days or just short of 4 years, super heavy artillery is unlocked way late if you wanna do other projects because of the breakthroughs required (4 total for both the slow and fast one)
that and facilities not benefitting from infrastructure makes some projects just feel extremely handicapping to do if you dont just happen to have the spare capacity

i think naval special projects are honestly in a really good spot though, they almost all feel usable and are reachable within a realistic timeframe, you have lots of diverse options, and there are enough that it feels like you still have to choose what to do, but also they arent so expensive you are forced to spend 1400 days trying to get one thing

[thick edge]

i was doing british facist civil war on hist

AI india went road to independenc

after the civil war only india was my puppet

i didnt touch them at all

is this intentional?

[dusk mist]

well the lights were certainly nerfed more than the mediums yes

that doesn't say anything though

[dusk mist]

yeah, and areas with a ton of factories and population

[dusk mist]

both of those are getting pierced

given that you don't run tanks by themselves, but with infantry

[molten cloud]

not if you run the medium with mech iirc

with mot yes both get pierced

[dusk mist]

light is an early game thing

mech is a mid-late game thing

lights are supposed to become obsolete

[thick edge]

Not population

[dusk mist]

well factories at least

[molten cloud]

ok but they are so obsolete now you should just build mediums

[dusk mist]

i think it's dumb to trade 1 factory for 20

[dusk mist]

at what point? there is always a point where that happens

[molten cloud]

when you unlock the basic medium lol wdym when

i cant think of any nation that unironically wants to spend army xp or IC building early light tanks

certainly not now either

[dusk mist]

only advantage in the template you showed me was breakthrough

for a fair bit of IC extra

[molten cloud]

and the fact its cheaper when you need to get enough armor to not be piercable by sup AA in inf

[dusk mist]

they're both piercable until mech you said

[molten cloud]

for 1,8 ic you get 15 extra breakthrough and 5% hardness
and 10 armor

[molten cloud]

you can add armor ticks to tank designs fyi

and these are interwar chassis

[dusk mist]

yeah, that adds cost

[molten cloud]

if you make two designs with equal armor the light will cost almost the same

[dusk mist]

light tanks aren't for armour which seems pretty obvious

[molten cloud]

so why do they cost almost as much as mediums

[dusk mist]

they start with 10 less base

[molten cloud]

there is a reason nobody recommends you build light tanks

except for light spgs which cost almost an IC more now

[dusk mist]

they cost significantly less, and have higher speed and reliability

[dusk mist]

except early game i've heard

[dusk mist]

mediums increased by more than that

[molten cloud]

they just dident

the basic medium went up by 1,05

the basic light 1,6

[dusk mist]

yeah that's more than "almost an IC"

[molten cloud]

yes, but the percentage cost is higher

[dusk mist]

i knew you'd say that

[molten cloud]

a 6 ic tank getting +1 ic cost matters alot more than a 11 ic cost tank going to 12 ic

its pretty simple

and one of these is alot better

[dusk mist]

sure but the difference isn't actually that big

[molten cloud]

the 6 ic tank had an almost 16,6% increase in price

the 11 ic tank like 9%

now im no math guy but 9% is less than 16,6%

in fact its more than an entire easy maintenance module less

[brittle venture]

Also lights need to be upped by 20% cost

For 50 to 60 tanks needed per batallion

[brittle venture]

It is though

[molten cloud]

oh yeah so they just straight up cost more than the mediums

lol (the designs i showed)

[drifting star]

Will the prototypes pack come with new special projects ?

Would be cool to get some of the more silly and wacky inventions the yatzees came up with.

The die Glock

Foo fighters , UFO etc

[dusk mist]

between 55% cheaper and 52% cheaper?

[brittle venture]

take into account lights are always an additional 20% higher cost

then yes

for light recon its fine i guess

[dusk mist]

what i mean is that the effective change in the relative prices isn't very big

i'm not saying anything about what it was like before the update

like how expensive it was

[brittle venture]

its not but it was already eh at best for using lights

now theres just no excuse

[dusk mist]

yeah what i meant is that for light SPGs for example it hasn't changed much from before

[brittle venture]

tho in bigger numbers that does add up a lot

[dusk mist]

if they were meh before they are meh now

[brittle venture]

no

light spgs were meta for germany/hungary

theyre not 'meh'

idk how it is now

but def more expensive

[dusk mist]

for sure

but someone said less than an ic

compared to medium tanks which went up more than one

which is is more significant for light spgs

but not very much more

[molten cloud]

as much as i want more special projects there are like 16 air projects, and only 4 of them are 1 cost, two of which being locked behind rocketry and one being almost useless
4 of the 8 land ones are 1 cost for comparison, the navy side is the same with alot of 1-2 cost ones and few of them are "chained"
air has like what, 2 chained projects (4 total) that not only take longer than getting nukes, but cost 5 breakthrough

land really needs some extra ones in my opinion, and a general reshuffling of breakthrough costs

[drifting star]

I agree some special projects for firearms

[hollow coral]

If they ever add infantry equipment designer maybe they could do special projects for irl prototype weapons

[lost torrent]

so are armored cars good now for garrison templates?

i would usually do light tanks cause ive read its just better

[harsh hull]

You know what, Paradox

Fine, I'll try using Armored Cars

[harsh hull]

I thought AAT was a pretty good DLC

But then I finally noticed THIS minor spelling mistake

I want to vomit

[drifting star]

Toa was way better then goe imo

Is their a way to take sinkyang without it joining united front ?

[hollow coral]

Who you playing as

[drifting star]

Mughal India

[hollow coral]

Idk then

[hollow coral]

Aat?

[harsh hull]

TOA, AAT, what's the difference

[drifting star]

Anyone else have random bug where EIC adds 30 factories randomly

[fresh cedar]

IMO much of that is mitigated by having 2-3 of each facility as a major

[molten cloud]

2-3 of each facility is 12-18 civs like 20+ mils worth of ic

Its actually even more because they increase in price after each one

Again they dont benefit from infrastructure unlike everything else
And not everyone has that many scientists

you only need one naval and land facility, and like THREE air ones to get jets and radar lol

all the air stuff is just not that good, and only usefull for making ICBMs / nuclear delivery systems without conventional planes, so the only reason to get the aviation facility in most cases is for radar, and thats it

but 24000 ic is alot for the ability to unlock radar, nevermind paying to build it as well

also facilities have diminishing returns, for one gives like 0.2 breakthrough a day next one is 0.1

[fresh cedar]

Communist India lowkey the best India

[fresh cedar]

I think the point is for people to strategically choose which projects they’ll use, not unlock every one mid war. It’s legit intended to be difficult

[gentle rune]

How is the state of the game at the moment?
I didn't buy the latest dlc, but I heard the release is really bad

[molten cloud]

that makes sense, and works really well for navy

for air it makes no sense because you cant afford to go down any path thats not radar, at all, unless you are like the united states

[hollow coral]

Buggy unfinished mess

But its just a country pack made by a secondary team

The dlc before was pretty good

[gentle rune]

Yeah that's why I wasn't interested in buying it - a lot of their independent DLC seems to be really low quality slop
But does the update with the DLC break a lot of other stuff?

[hollow coral]

I think the reichkommissariat stuff was broken because they forgot to add the new states

And some other formables too

[gentle rune]

These days seems like PDX has a constant cycle of bad release -> backlash -> apology -> nothing changes -> another bad release

[harsh hull]

No, that's just the modern games industry

There's no real incentive to actually release good games, because most of the independent studios that would be hurt by a bad release have already been shut down or have been absorbed into a megacorporation (and subsequently shut down)

And none of the big name studios have gone bankrupt from bad releases yet to shake up the status quo

[dense gale]

yea if u are very manpower strapped

u used to be able to make a cheaper lt but now its no longer possible

[hearty blade]

i can often times forgive it if the content is sorta fun but this stuff meh idk\

[gentle rune]

It's the majority of the modern game industry, but only because consumers allow them to get away with it instead of voting with their wallet.
You get outliers like Larian, who absolutely smashed it out of the park with BG3, and continue to deliver even more with the free updates

[harsh hull]

Yes, I believe I said "There's no real incentive to actually release good games"

[gentle rune]

Except I gave you an example of how releasing a good game can be a massive success?

[wooden wyvern]

so can releasing bad ones

generally when people leave reviews and such they like
actually bought the game

[gentle rune]

If it's bad enough you get situations like cyberpunk though, where lots of people go for refunds, and the reputation of the game is permanently damaged which stops people who would have bought it later from doing so.
I only bought BG3 because I heard how good it was

In the case of paradox - I used to pre-order DLC for hoi4, ck3, and stellaris. Now I never pre-order their stuff, because it's a cointoss whether it will be acceptable or just rubbish.

[fresh cedar]

It’s a lot more refined than it was. Would say it’s playable now

[fresh cedar]

Gotta remember that researching relevant lines also gives breakthrough progress

[molten cloud]

and you dont really research that much air

you do like these

and most of them outside of the engine are short if you dont forward research them

[fresh cedar]

I just haven’t used air enough in SP recently to notice ig. If I’m a major I do but often don’t need to

[molten cloud]

as germany i could not start jet engine research despite doing 800 days of forward research on the improved fighter

and doing everything else except engine 3 by feb 1938

[fresh cedar]

Jet engine in general should be cheaper or Germany needs a greater buff towards it

[molten cloud]

(thats with one air facility)

[fresh cedar]

I build 2-3 as Germany typically just to have multiple things going. Ik diminishing returns nerf it but it’s still about twice as fast with 3 v 1

[molten cloud]

thing is everything is locked behind jet engines, or rocketry, or its an intercontentinel bomber or sidegrade to fighters (mothership)

[dense gale]

jet actually are pretty good

since they are cheaper than e3

[molten cloud]

jet 1s suck

jet 2s are ok

[dense gale]

its not

jet 1 is better

because its cheaper than e3

[molten cloud]

jet 1 looses to engine 4

[dense gale]

u just need range designer

[fresh cedar]

I think Germany is meant to focus jet and rocket while England is meant to focus radar. Again they want specific countries focusing things early-mid game

[molten cloud]

which gives you less other stats

[dense gale]

e4 is very hard to get

[dense gale]

no

[fresh cedar]

Think it would be nasty if you could just get everything

[dense gale]

range designer is the best designer

[molten cloud]

-30% range is -30% range

is what it is

[fresh cedar]

Range is cracked

[dense gale]

only high agil beats out range

but high agil has no range

so u just need more range designer planes

[fresh cedar]

Optimally you use different designers for different roles

[fresh cedar]

I tend to do agility for fighters and range for CAS/Naval bombing

[molten cloud]

you are still removing 30% of the 50% range buff from focke wulf for example

compare to messerschmidt

you have no range, but you base get +30% speed

i dont see why you would go jet 1s

[molten cloud]

and they cost a chromium per factory
and eat fuel

i quess 4 IC is maybe worth a chromium if you are swimming in it
but one of these isent legal due to weight

and it becomes 58 IC if you use two jet engines

can do this i quess ? but everything else weights too much, or i have to go down on guns alot

[dense gale]

u do improved

there isnt much point going up to advanced

since u are still stuck on 3 guns

[molten cloud]

im using it because it makes jet engines look better

due to higher base range, and speed

which makes jet engine speed boost seem better

and the range downside not seem as crippeling

core issue is 25 thrust, combined with poor range and chromium cost
jet engine 2 kinda fixes it, but needs another 2 breakthrough points and 700 days

jet 3s are just better in every way

tldr, its like 5 breakthrough points to make them good, and alot of chromium, ALOT of chromium, and later ALOT of tungsten (jet 2 and 3s need tungsten iirc)

the only other thing you can do with air breakthroughs is like radar ? motherships and intercontinental bombers ? and all the rocketry which just ends up being various ways to deliver nukes and takes tons of time, breakthroughs and you need rocketry to even start

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey the whole reason it exists in game in its current state is to achieve that

[strong grail]

So did infiltrating the manhatten project as the ussr use to be good

Because now i think its kinda useless

You only get +30% nuke tech breakthrough progress

Whereas before i assumed it gave research bonus for nukes

Soviet atomic bomb project focus is still decent i guess if you rush it

But otherwise its kinda bad

[brittle venture]

High agil for axis or nah?

[brittle venture]

Focke wulf is just busted

[brittle venture]

Jet 1 = engine 3

To compare to engine 4 you need axials

[molten cloud]

you get engine 3 far earlier than anyone can get jet engine, like 1.5 to 2 years earlier

yes engine 4 takes longer, but loosing production cap to change to jet engine and paying the extra chromium for barely better stats is dumb

[wary mantle]

special projects can be so longly frustrating, such as Axial Jet Engine and Land Cruiser

always wanted to try them out but always won the game before i could

[polar jasper]

Play Germany and do heavy larping. That way you need wunderwaffe to save your game

[dense gale]

Actually ywa lol

U lack oil

I rather have range on uk

And high agil on get

[wary mantle]

heavy larping?

[polar jasper]

Basically do exactly what the Germans would do, including all the stupid stuff and kneecap yourself heavily.

[drifting star]

It gets cores on all of UK

And Persia for some reason

[fresh cedar]

Does it? From what I saw it was only Wales

[drifting star]

Did u puppet UK ?

[fresh cedar]

So if they’re both puppets does it unite with UK?

[drifting star]

No

[fresh cedar]

Then wdym it gets cores on it

[drifting star]

Mughal East Briton gets cores on all English cores once formed

You’ll have to give it to them on occupation menu

If you puppet the UK separately for some reason it removes cores on uk puppet’s states

[fresh cedar]

Wild

[thick edge]

Ded chat

[royal vigil]

did the new patch make armored cars poggers?

or are they mid

[dusk mist]

As I understand it, mid.

[royal vigil]

I wonder if they'd actually be decent as a replacement for TDs

The final pakwagen

[split haven]

they are OK for garrisons

but no point in making them

[rotund epoch]

Kurdish Resistance- as Kurdistan

[molten cloud]

Pakwagen requires more research
Costs more
And has worse stats

Than every nations shitty starter light tank with tier 1 AT tech basic high velocity cannon

[royal vigil]

I'd want to see spreadsheets to satisfy my autism, but I don't doubt this

[hollow coral]

Yeh something to do either the kurdish tag being different to iraqi kurdistan

Its fine though only some command power needs to be used

[royal vigil]

Just looking at the wiki stats basic HV cannon gets 80 piercing just for being a TD

[molten cloud]

Its 68 cause you cant use LIght tank destroyers in light recon only light tanks
Its still far better

But still better than the 65 you get from pakwagen

With all buffs to pakwagen (it doesent actually count as an armored car for the tech that gives them piercing boosts so doesent get the 20% boost, only MIO boosts)

[royal vigil]

Oh. So it's bugged 🤷‍♂️

[safe plover]

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Its still shit

[royal vigil]

Fast af though

What if you made 6w car divs who only exist for overrunning divs?

Slam them into open tiles and send them snaking

[molten cloud]

117 hp
💀

Whats the 5th supp company ?

[hearty blade]

A germany only one i think