latest-updates

[fresh cedar]

As the preorder, I believe it’s more like $10?

Bug fixes are supposed to be coming this week I believe

These are responses by paradox employees on the forums

[sonic ferry]

I think India should have a bonus to electronics research since they are very skilled in IT nowadays. But I can't stand elephants..

[fresh cedar]

Instead of IT helpdesks like today, they’re more of a foreign legion helpdesk in game

[rocky oasis]

This response was terrible. They decided to have operation shoulder after operation knee and not have an operation toe? SMH.

[sonic ferry]

Afghanistan didn't get enough attention in the DLC called 'Graveyard of Empires.

[thick edge]

For real

[sonic ferry]

I do believe that people are guilty of hubris, especially product managers.

[thick edge]

It’s worse than the game breaking bugs

Knee must be 3rd!

[fresh cedar]

Idk it definitely can become the graveyard of empires lol

[quasi harbor]

Personally i don't like how alternative paths now are just overpowered memes.

[thick edge]

U should capitulate the Soviet Union as them…

[sonic ferry]

They think they are more clever than their users..

[fresh cedar]

I was the Soviet allied path

[quick sleet]

It's very hard to unite Arabia with Iraq

[fresh cedar]

So was me and the Soviets V everyone

[thick edge]

But it’s really easy

[fresh cedar]

Currently occupy Iran, Steppe and India

[rocky oasis]

I am going to guess a lot of stuff is being added to focus trees. Especially for Afghanistan and Iraq.

[thick edge]

Trust me

[thick edge]

Only took me 12 years to win

[fresh cedar]

Well it puts my mind at ease a bit that they’ll be dedicating so much effort into GOE

[quick sleet]

He means that he expects for more cores ponteial and something bigger but yeah it's cancer for you enemy

[sonic ferry]

When I'm incompetent and lazy, I make excuses and say it's my new perspective or new art.

[rocky oasis]

As mentioned before, the most heinous thing Paradox has ever done is get a simple children’s song wrong. It goes head, shoulders, knees, and toes. Not head, knee, shoulder, no toes.

[fresh cedar]

I had like 17 mil core which isn’t huge but is kinda comparable to South Africa or Australia

[quick sleet]

Changes to the focus tree?

[rocky oasis]

Definitely

[fresh cedar]

I imagine they’ll be reworking trees yeah, maybe adding formables

[quick sleet]

Niceee

[drifting star]

All the cut stuff boys

Potentially

[quick sleet]

Not enough ponteial i think

[fresh cedar]

Maybe it’s reference to a mermaid, so no toes

[rocky oasis]

Probably not all of it. But, some of it.

[harsh hull]

Ooh, a dev update

[feral lagoon]

Can agree; from how it read out to me they more or less put their hands up and said "Yeah, we done goofed"; I might be under a rock saying this, but you don't see that happen often

[harsh hull]

This should be good

[drifting star]

Long live the turko Persian empire

[quick sleet]

Yeah i think the big group of their developers joined the work

[rocky oasis]

Why does knees come before shoulders. I am unfortunately unfamiliar with mermaid biology, so perhaps you could enlighten me.

[summer rivet]

Not trees, but probably some of the branches if we’re optimistic

[drifting star]

If it’s a big team = big update

[pseudo wing]

because it knee'ds to

I hate myself for that

[fresh cedar]

I was able to occupy India and get high compliance so my manpower was basically equivalent to 100+ mil

[feral lagoon]

[fresh cedar]

Remember, strong buffs can make you occupy easier. Occupation offsets core pop well

[rocky oasis]

Truly, this is the worst thing that Paradox has ever done.

[drifting star]

Am I the only one who doesn’t like the color of the formables ?

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-wind-gif-3198675550835426465

[feral lagoon]

Boutta go under for this one fr

[fresh cedar]

They’re doing a rolling spin bc mermaid

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see formables and tree reworks. Maybe an additional set of focuses for a few paths

[rocky oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-cannon-gif-14801380928410168204

[quick sleet]

That's great but you know i think it's one of the countries with tree with low core ponteial

[shut cloud]

lmao

[fresh cedar]

If you get high high compliance, which is made easier by the faster compliance gain by commie Afghanistan. You can get something like 25-30% non core if not more

[quasi harbor]

Their Expansions would probably work better if they actually included relevant countries

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/imabesavingthatforlater-imabesavingthat4later-imabesavingthat-ima-be-saving-that-ima-be-saving-that-for-later-gif-16548514061732001937

[quasi harbor]

Raj was the exception

[summer rivet]

Mhmm, thought I think most branch reworks would be for India, Iraq and Afghanistan as Iran is only ruined by bad features and lack of coring stuff

[quick sleet]

But takes more lot time this is the point

[fresh cedar]

How is the oil rich middleast, both of which Iran and Iraq were invaded by powers during WW2, as well as India not relevant?

[sonic ferry]

Well, I believe that if I live until 2026, I'll see even worse things.

[fresh cedar]

Iran just needs Persian formable that it had and maybe 1 more formable to be fun

[quasi harbor]

Iran and Iraq were pretty irrelevant to the war, all they did was get killed in less than a month.

[fresh cedar]

Their oil was extremely important 😂

That’s kinda why they were invaded in full force

[feral lagoon]

I don't believe Iran and Iraq were irrelevant in the sense of the world war, like Joe said their resources were vital to the war effort considering oil = functional air, navy, tanks, etc.

[quick sleet]

Unite Arabia is not possible rn btw

[quasi harbor]

Imagine if they actually updated countries like Australia, China, US, Canada, Japan etc...

[drifting star]

Sounds about right

[fresh cedar]

Legit 3/4 were relevant

[sonic ferry]

I think Paradox Interactive should reconsider and optimize the distribution of strategic resources. The current allocation is quite frustrating.

[fresh cedar]

Malta should have 999 of every resource like it did historically

[summer rivet]

True, and a rework of supply system or an ai update to incentivize the ai to build more supply hubs, along with more supply hubs in the Turkmenistan area of the ussr and a faction joining rework

[feral lagoon]

But I have heard they're sort of irrelevant from a gameplay standpoint, as unless you're playing them they don't actually make much of a different impact to the world war than they did pre-DLC

Again, it's what I've heard

[fresh cedar]

Idk if that’s a big issue. I’ve seen AI build supply hubs as needed and the supply systems is pretty fun

[summer rivet]

Because you can attack India you just have to wait for them to become independent but then they will join allies again

[elder fjord]

i wish they wouldve stated wut wuz gna be in the patches but oh wells, just gotta cross my fingers itll be good

[quasi harbor]

I think they should decrease AI Germany division cap. They should make it more in line with Japan so Germany actually has to move troops from the Atlantic wall to the Soviets and not just have 500 divs everywhere

[summer rivet]

If we go off of Tommyk’s Iran game play in goe then that would be false

[sonic ferry]

Well, maybe this new DLC's AI will help ease the CPU's burden...

[covert estuary]

Well, I personally, as well as everyone I know, am not really upset about the issues mentioned in the Dev Diary. Instead, our disappointment comes from the fact that:

1. The focus trees are relatively small.
2. The focus trees lack depth and complexity, showing little care or effort. This is especially frustrating when considering that mods like R56 provide the same content for free, often with even more detail and love for most countries.
3. We were promised major urban warfare updates back in Götterdämmerung, which were then seemingly abandoned without much effort. I believe it was even mentioned in the forums that they would come with GOE, but in the end, almost nothing changed. Meanwhile, the community had great ideas, hopes, and expectations.

[fresh cedar]

So patches generally fix things. War effort add/rework things. And it seems they have more war efforts planned or even a larger update for GOE. Since it’s not mentioned as a war effort

[fresh cedar]

I remember such mentions of urban combat. Wonder if they just didn’t know how to implement

[summer rivet]

Rt56 Iran is meh

In comparison to the dlc

[quasi harbor]

They should update Historical India path and nerf Iran for those without the DLC

[feral lagoon]

I'm certain this falls under their definition of "scope" that they explained in the dev diary, considering the content we received was unpolished and, like you said, lacking effort

They very clearly undershot what they could put out (or overshot, I'm not sure which one is applicable here)

[quick sleet]

Improve the Iraqian and afganian tree and low the time of some Indian tree

[sonic ferry]

In fact, I would prefer to experience intense and fierce battles, like Stalingrad, but in the game, we only see one side advancing relentlessly.

[covert estuary]

Yes, Iran has received little love in Road so far, but many other countries have, for example, Austria, where much more love and attention to detail have been put into R56 compared to DLC.

[sonic ferry]

Basically, the one with more IC will be invincible.

[drifting star]

Why does Iraq have the ability to core Spain but not Iran,Afghanistan or Pakistan

[covert estuary]

Yes, that would be awesome, and I think everyone wished for something like this when they heard about changes to Urban Warfare.

[feral lagoon]

I'm not sure what we're specifying when we're talking about "intense and fierce battles, like Stalingrad", I'll need some elaboration

[quick sleet]

So we need to wait 1 month to see the changes

[harsh hull]

It's the extra month they needed to cook the content

[drifting star]

If rather wait a month than repeat what they did with initial release

[fresh cedar]

Generally paradox doesn’t make such claims if they won’t back it up so I agree

[harsh hull]

It's just taken them this long to realize it still needed cooking

[summer rivet]

I would disagree, road Austria is only good because of its Austria Hungary while dlc Austria gives you much more flexibility, you can even become Germany and core it and what Austria lacks in Austria Hungary content is filled by the shared focus tree between all those nations

[harsh hull]

Also, R56 might have free content, but it's of very wildly inconsistent quality

[sonic ferry]

I mean a war of attrition, where both sides are heavily engaged for long periods, with no clear winner for a while, just like the prolonged struggle seen in Stalingrad.

[harsh hull]

No different from Paradox's quality control or of other mods in general

[fresh cedar]

That’s why I generally don’t like mods. Extremely inconsistent and messy

[quick sleet]

True but they must show us the changes

[summer rivet]

Though some have actually received more love such as Czechoslovakia it’ll be unfair to compare it without waiting for paradox’s Czech update

[drifting star]

Imma let them cook

[feral lagoon]

I'm thinking that's more of an issue with the game's perspective than the mechanics really; you can have battles going on for days in HOI4, but if we're on like speed 5 for example it can go by in a matter of seconds compared to like speed 3/4

[tidal trout]

are they gonna make iran be able to core Afghanistan and Tajikistan and kurdish areas of iraq and syria?

[sonic ferry]

I hope the frontline battles around key cities can have constantly shifting red and green bubbles, with no one being able to break through easily (implemented using a mechanism similar to the Spanish Civil War).

[quick sleet]

We need to see the changes it interesting

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if they’d break cities up similar to Old World Blues. Or if they’d just give them better defensive buffs like +500% causalities or something

[fresh cedar]

True maybe the specific city tile could have similar conditions

[feral lagoon]

Ohh right, okay now I'm on your page; yeah I agree, having that sense of uncertainty from a mechanical perspective would be awesome

[summer rivet]

Or 5 more fort level if possible

And have forts have a areal effect to the rounding tiles as well

[livid pecan]

if they implemented unplanned offensive for random cities i think there would be a mod to remove it within half an hour of the patch going live

[fresh cedar]

That’s just the new special project kinda

[feral lagoon]

There's always gonna be things that people like and don't like, that's just the nature of a large community

[fresh cedar]

Don’t even need forts. Tile types can give their own buffs or debuffs

[sonic ferry]

Maybe it could be an alt option

[covert estuary]

Not really, of course, Focus Trees in Road to 56 have various qualities and are not perfect, but I also mean the overall gameplay experience. For example, when playing as Austria, you have events and decisions like July follows June and the need to prevent a Nazi coup.

Additionally, Road to 56 often has a lot of cool icons, which do exist in DLC focus trees as well, but with much less attention to detail. A good example is the Soviet icon DLC, which was added later because the Soviets originally received little attention to detail.

And as already mentioned, all of this is free compared to GOE.

[sonic ferry]

You can choose what u like before the start

[livid pecan]

i think it would be cool if cities were split up into mini-tiles but divisions had a singular presence in the city as if it were all one tile. that way you could have partial or half control of a city and it could have changing buffs/debuffs based on the progress, as well as giving you partial access to the stuff that's in there

for example you could have half control of a city and have access to the naval base there, but not the airfield

[fresh cedar]

Still prefer vanilla w/dlc. Is generally the most consistent as OP dlc are nerfed.

[fresh cedar]

So like old world blues

[livid pecan]

i've never played that mod before, so i wouldn't know

[fresh cedar]

In old world blues, cities are legit split up into small tiles, some cities being like 5 tiles

[sonic ferry]

Sometimes, I wish to see manpower triumphs over technology and spirit conquers the gap in equipment (of course, this shouldn't happen too often, otherwise Japan would dominate the world).

[fresh cedar]

On paper sounds good but ends up being very messy

[obtuse ingot]

🤦
They missed the opportunity to do
HEAD
SHOULDER
KNEE

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey just raise causalities ammount on city tiles and like triple the combat width max

[quick sleet]

The content after the rework will be worth and good 100% it's now for the respect of the community

[silent flame]

criminal behaviour

[summer rivet]

Yeah but what if you have soldiers being sieged in a city tile as that’s how it usually goes, the encirclement debuff makes sieges end way to quickly making it not as breath taking, and forts are the perfect defensive option to make that battle take longer

[fresh cedar]

Hethr comes out of retirement after months, first time this year to make a head shoulder knees and toes joke 😭

[fresh cedar]

Maybe should just get a supply grace buff for cities

[livid pecan]

i do think there should be different kinds of city/urban tiles, like a small city vs a dense city giving different terrain penalties. it would be cool if there was a city destruction mechanic as well, so that defenders get different stats as the fighting in the city happens or to show that they are being strategically bombed

[livid pecan]

like less entrenchment as more buildings in the city fall

[pseudo wing]

I am from quebec, after all

I am evil

[obtuse ingot]

I’ve been busy watching my YouTuber friend play
EU4, MemoriaPolis, & Imperator
And now a new Vic 3 game
Hoi was just not in the cards

I did suggest it for them.

[sonic ferry]

Considering that the weaker side often doesn't have enough troops, how about randomly generating some immovable, non-attacking, low-value defensive units for the weaker side when the stronger side advances near key cities to delay the attack?

[obtuse ingot]

MemoriaPolis will be ending soon, I’ll suggest hoi4 for after that

[fresh cedar]

I think the game itself kinda just needs a devastation mechanic for tiles/states that give the areas debuffs to certain areas. Similar to Stellaris. But lowkey would lag the game to death bc way more calculations

But maybe if only cities had devastation

[livid pecan]

yeah, that would be a really interesting mechanic imo

[obtuse ingot]

I’m also getting into irl politics stuff

[fresh cedar]

That makes sense!

[sonic ferry]

I've seen too many blitzkriegs in MPS, where the defeat is as rapid and overwhelming as a landslide.

[obtuse ingot]

There’s a mod iirc that does that

[fresh cedar]

Oh boy, I try to avoid that lol

[obtuse ingot]

Made a Roosevelt meme out of the current USA president

[summer rivet]

Yeah and most of that experience comes from roads general gameplay chooses rather then the focus trees, other then some outliers such as the Austrian July followed June system or Afghanistans reforms system. most of the fun comes from changes to research, and other things rather then the focus trees them selves, yes it’s free and I use it often too, but at the end of the day it comes down to paying paradox to get something better, be it a mechanic added from a dlc or a focus tree made in a unique way like turkeys focus tree

[obtuse ingot]

“Speak loudly, have small stick”

[fresh cedar]

Pretty much

Definitely the inverse lol

I mean your assessment is accurate

[sonic ferry]

Since we have elephant units, why can't we have wheelchair units for Roosevelt or Hitler?

[fresh cedar]

Even if they take that down it’s hilarious

[obtuse ingot]

It’s a redrawing of something Ai did

[summer rivet]

That was a stick? It looked like a wooden bottle head

[obtuse ingot]

#off-topic

[pseudo wing]

just gonna pop in and do my usual big bad admin guy routine

and say cant post modern politicians

[fresh cedar]

Saw that coming from a quintillion miles away

Hope the Islamic revolution one comes back

[granite mortar]

As someone that is an occasionally player (~250 hours) and has not really followed the latest dev diaries and controversial around the new dlc, I get that it came badly. So this poses a conundrum, should I wait 2 days or 2+7 days for the announced patches or just start a new play session? I intend to play in Europe with virtual no interest in Asia region, even though I have this new dlc through the bundle.

[obtuse ingot]

🤔 You guys know how EU4 has a custom nation designer thing?

What if HoI4 did that?

[quick sleet]

Fix the core of the Persian empire of course too

[fresh cedar]

Just need the formable it had!

[fresh cedar]

Would be interesting, though could be used for great evil 😂

Unlike EU, HOI4 is very contemporary to be so creative

[obtuse ingot]

You probably have focus trees kinda based on region.

Custom nations in the Germany region would get Germany-like focus trees

[fresh cedar]

Accompanying formables would be neat too.

[quick sleet]

Maybe also core greece and Macedonia cause it's stupid just from the Byzantine

This was the plan of the Persian empire

[fresh cedar]

This was the formable

[quick sleet]

Remember

[fresh cedar]

Though if Byzantine empire exists, it can core it

[quick sleet]

How much cores

[quick sleet]

It's not happening

[quick sleet]

Of popu

[fresh cedar]

Instead of Byzantines, should just be Greece in general imo

I’ve legit never seen the AI form Byzantium on its own

[quick sleet]

Trueee

[obtuse ingot]

Greece get Crimea?

[fresh cedar]

Should just have to fight Greece, but Greece should get +20-30% defense buffs to make it harder

[quick sleet]

It must be normal greece

[quick sleet]

Yeah

[obtuse ingot]

“Greece”

[quick sleet]

What expected from india at the changes @fresh cedar

[fresh cedar]

Hmmm, probably some nerfs in areas. Fixes to various independence focuses/paths. fixes to civil wars etc

Mostly bug fixes

[thick edge]

Do u have it saved

I wanna see

[fresh cedar]

In game I believe Roman Empire can release Crimea as the Bospori

[fresh cedar]

Sent

[obtuse ingot]

Sent the one it’s kinda based on too

[fresh cedar]

Original source OP

[quick sleet]

Yeah the independent is cancer rn

[feral lagoon]

Can confirm

[fresh cedar]

Lily acknowledged they know about it

So I imagine they’re getting fixed

[thick edge]

Is it just me or were u gone for like, a long time

[fresh cedar]

Really want to play the Timurids after fixes

[thick edge]

I’m doing timurids rn

The raj staying in the allies screwed me over

[fresh cedar]

That’s as intended apparently

Basically just defend, then it white peaces

The real bug was that the Raj loses its agrarian debuff while you as the now much weaker Mughals have it still

Which is blatantly unfair

[thick edge]

The UK naval invasion

[fresh cedar]

Just set a line along the river and it’s also on the port so you’re good

I think the UK is coded to not attack till the last 70 days so if you just hold it’s easy

[obtuse ingot]

A few months

[quick sleet]

👍

[quick sleet]

Same i saw tommy can't win the civil war until 1941

[fresh cedar]

Timurid civil war best speedrun so you can focus on Afghanistan

I genuinely don’t know how you’re supposed to get Sinkiang though. If Lily has a gameplan for that I’d want to hear but Sinkiang kinda just makes it impossible

Which you need to progress down the tree

[thick edge]

I fumbled that civil war (my first time) and I was not punching through that single tile in eastern Afghanistan

[quick sleet]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Same

[rocky oasis]

Looks like the characters for Afghanistan are going to get reworked

[quick sleet]

There will be a massive rework do you think

[rocky oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-fortnite-reaction-ninja-low-taper-fade-gif-1784137995500051652

Sorry, couldn’t resist

[vestal torrent]

massive?

[solid gyro]

Massive..

[quick sleet]

🤫👺👻🥶

Who invented this trend

[thick edge]

Ninja

[quick sleet]

Every year the memes are going delusional more and more

[plucky crag]

It's massive

[late cape]

anyone has crashes loading late game files?

[quick sleet]

Massive nose

[dusk mist]

well they really handled it well imo

showed a lot of humility and responsibility

unlike certain other game companies

[drifting star]

Is there a way for Iraq to core Iran ?

[thick edge]

uhhh

u can core spain!

[drifting star]

Ah very Muslim and very Arab

[fresh cedar]

Umayyad did it for years 😏

[dusk mist]

I mean the occupation had a really big impact

But it ended over 500 years ago

And was pushed out with violence

[terse viper]

wasn't there a patch this Tuesday

[thick edge]

peak

[dusk mist]

What is war effort?

[fresh cedar]

Guess it was delayed a day

[fresh cedar]

Patches and updates to content.

Like they may add spirits, rework focuses, change content etc

[drifting star]

It’s how much support equipment I give to my frontline

[dusk mist]

Hey that's great

[cobalt jay]

I did not realize how much Iran gets for air

[rotund sable]

I just love how almost exactly a year ago was PDX's response to negative reviews of Trial of Allegiance

[stiff pine]

mfs need to just stop making country packs and use that extra time saved to make the expansions even better

literally none of the country packs have gotten good reviews

[rotund sable]

it's not gonna happen is it

PDX isn't even writing nearly as much this year

not even trying anymore

"We have all hands on this endeavour right now." Makes one wonder what endeavor they're talking about

[harsh hull]

The "endeavour" is taking that extra month to actually finish the thing

They by all rights should have delayed the game if it was at this stage in development this close to release date

And I have to assume the actual devs knew that, just by how they're actually talking about the state of the release

But the Higher Ups™️ forced a Q1 release, so now everyone has to be at fault to save face

[warped prairie]

It all comes down to pdx being publicly traded and the need to please shareholders with this "battle pass quarterly update" model that a lot of games have been doing. They were rushed by suits to push it out way before it was ready and this will continue to happen since it is the nature of shareholders and their infinite need for more money.

The real stinger is leakers say a good portion of the code for this dlc was done by Ai and they've been using it for a little while now to speed up development time but it's actually abysmal and creating spaghetti code, or code upkeep.

[untold sequoia]

Don’t make up bullshit

We obviously messed up, but AI writing script is … yeah no.

[warped prairie]

Aye, i said it's from a leak not a factual source.

I get your point, but still it's in the realm of possibilities now with the Ai race ongoing. I've seen other games do it.

[untold sequoia]

Idk, it just gets a bit old when ppl are telling me that all our problems are caused by the free hand of the market descending from on high and plugging in an AI chip to generate content

When we’re saying loudly and openly: we made mistakes, it wasn’t corporate suits or Ai, or, well, anything other than that

[harsh hull]

I blame AI for everyone blaming everything on AI

[warped prairie]

Sure. I've been in a similar position before when I worked on a game so I know how it feels with public pressure. I sympathize.

[rocky oasis]

Did you AI generate the order of the updates? Because you clearly got the children’s song wrong! It goes shoulders then knees! /j

[untold sequoia]

I shall fire our patch Lyricist immediately

[warped prairie]

I'll bow out for now, i apologize for the unnecessary and potentially misleading post on an already inflamed discussion.
(Sidenote please do Japan next)

[untold sequoia]

Eh no worries. I’m a bit cranky rn

[drifting star]

Bro spouted so much cap the director got involved

Can we please get different colors for the formables, Hashemite caliphate would look so much better with a dark red representing their royal standard

[rocky oasis]

Hashemite should be hot pink.

[drifting star]

Dark red

Or green

[turbid sand]

What happened

[rotund sable]

There’s been another response to negative reviews

For dungyard of empires

[dense gale]

btw this focus is bugged

infantry tech only applies to mech

[coral drift]

Granted. I also does not believe on the AI accusations since if that was the case, the contents would not be as barebones with focus lacking coherent descriptions. Or even lack of certain portraits, giving that one of touted positives of generative AI is to create more contents...

I hope there would be open BETA sessions again.

[safe plover]

Yeah ofc ai would have often done a better job. A lot stuff are exact copies from ToA. Ai wouldnt wtite TODO, it would give focuses descriptios and it would have done better research on for example ammanullah khan.

[coral drift]

Lmao, it would not.

I tried asking a lot of things about Dutch East Indies when researching for my mod, and the AI gives a ton of bogus stuffs that would fool anyone who get their history lessons through memes. I facepalmed at that and from then i'm exclusively using books, journals, and online articles which can be verified by the first two as the source.

Never again

Like seriously, Cornell's Modern Indonesia Project is there. Koninklijk Instituut voor Taal, Landen, en Volkunenden is there, Oxford Sutheast Asian Collections is there. Late colonial East Indies is so vibrant that i can formulate 10 political paths using the materials provided there alone.

[spice coral]

uk should be next

[warped prairie]

Id be ok with uk as well, the older majors need some tuning.

[coral drift]

2025: Japan
2026 Q1/2: China
2026 Q4: USA
2027 Q1/2: France
2027 Q4: UK

[hollow coral]

☃️

[dusk mist]

Yeah for sure

[dusk mist]

France before UK?

[ionic thorn]

fineshyt playing hoi4???

[crisp rivet]

They are a bit bias towards the Brit’s ig

[fresh cedar]

Such a conspiracy theorist take. At this point should probably go touch grass

[fresh cedar]

That would be so cool

[cyan trellis]

What isn’t bugged in this update? Schnasty.

[fresh cedar]

Communist Afghanistan sorta works as intended most of the time

[cyan trellis]

One of the few paths I actually went “hey that’s not completely broken” yeah

[fresh cedar]

Actually had fun and didn’t get crushed by a bug during it 😂

[cyan trellis]

Right??

[fresh cedar]

Mughal, Fascist India, EITC, Greater Iraq, Hashemite Iraq, Persian Empire and Fascist Iran had bugs for me

Tried some multiple times

But hey looking forward to bug fixes

[feral lagoon]

Aye, I'm also looking forward to how they reapproach it too

[fresh cedar]

Big promises but I trust they can pull through

[feral lagoon]

Ye, I've not had chance to check steam forums to see what discussions they're having there tho, so idk what their new approach is gonna be

Have you looked at em?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

Patches will fix bugs, war effort will rework some content with some additions. And April will most likely have larger changes

[feral lagoon]

Bet, what about people's comments towards the company's reapproach to GoE? What have the majority suggested?

[cyan trellis]

The majority’s still pissed.

🙈

[feral lagoon]

Well yeah I understand the opinion enough lmao, I see it often in this server alone

[fresh cedar]

Fix things, consider more formables, consider more content in such DLC, stuff like that

[cyan trellis]

Patches aren’t going to fix the damages the DLC’s done at this point

(If the patches are actually patches and not a shut up we’ll get to it some day)

[feral lagoon]

Noice, I hope they emphasised using longer deadlines to work on them too

[fresh cedar]

They’re planning on fixing things and adding potentially cut content if not just more content in general be it focuses etc.

[feral lagoon]

Well yeah that's how mistakes usually work, but they can always learn and improve just like a regular person can

[fresh cedar]

But they also said they are reevaluating the country pack model and will consider doing more in the future such as mechanics or more content

[cyan trellis]

Mistakes don’t involve an EA-level backlash and the most abysmal review record for their DLC

But nonetheless it’s been like that since BftB

I think first casualty was the Turkish tree with a million 70 day focuses that people ate up

[cyan trellis]

Yyyyyikes.

[fresh cedar]

They also acknowledged this

[cyan trellis]

They did cuz it hurts sales and is a big bad look for the outside player.

[fresh cedar]

That’s generally what bad reviews mean yeah lol

[feral lagoon]

Acknowledging is the first step, now we wait to see if and how they'll act

[fresh cedar]

Highly suggest reading this

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/update-from-the-developers.1730987/?prdxDevPosts=1

Maybe just the dev replies

It’s not super long actually

Pretty easy read

[feral lagoon]

Yeah, plus mistakes are still mistakes no matter how big or small they are
They still have consequences, but they also still have lessons to teach

[cyan trellis]

Ew. Ewwwww.

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey though, would be nice to have a single one for some players.

[feral lagoon]

"Considered" is not a guarantee, by the way

[cyan trellis]

Nothing in the post is a guarantee.

[fresh cedar]

I’m not a fan of the business model to sell each country but if a person from Iran only wanted Iran and not 4; would be better

[feral lagoon]

I'm not sure how much of the community appeals to this method though honestly

[fresh cedar]

If they offered country packs, but you could select which countries to buy from it, would be nice. So instead of $15 for 4, maybe $7.5 for 2 countries

That way I don’t have to buy Iraq and Afghanistan for instance if I only wanted Iran and India

But maybe later I did want the other two and got them too

[feral lagoon]

Ahh so you mean they're all released at once but are individual purchases?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, so like an actual pack

[feral lagoon]

That'd be an interesting sales method

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t be entirely opposed to that.

[feral lagoon]

Same

[fresh cedar]

As long as the cost is comparable to a normal country pack if divided

[feral lagoon]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Because ik most players only really have interest in 1-2 from a country pack, rarely all

[cyan trellis]

To be fair most players really just want a major country rework because the Japan focus tree is absolutely shameful.

[fresh cedar]

Best and most OP communist tree in game

Joking don’t lose it

[cyan trellis]

If I’d want actually good focus trees for LatAm I’d download a mod that does ten times a better job.

[cyan trellis]

true…

[fresh cedar]

I thought TOA was fun though I would’ve liked to see a broader scope. Had it been all of mainland South America, would’ve been nicer

[feral lagoon]

Paradox reprioritising is something I've seen a lot of support for, myself included, but none of us really know how they work on the inside so

[fresh cedar]

Was weird to only get half, with logically Carribean, Central America, and (Northern) South America being perhaps their own seperate

[cyan trellis]

Absolutely, it’s weird seeing the equador war with Peru and no focuses for any.

[fresh cedar]

Shouldn’t have it broken into 3-4 packs

[cyan trellis]

Missed opportunity imho.

[fresh cedar]

Peru still fun imo

[cyan trellis]

Generic tree so good

[feral lagoon]

Peru gaming with two formables

[fresh cedar]

I sorta like the generic 😂

[cyan trellis]

Same

[fresh cedar]

Just did a WC as Morocco with generic

[feral lagoon]

It's pretty reliable

[cyan trellis]

A tree for gran Colombia would be chef’s kiss.

Maybe a shared one where Venezuela Ecquador and Colombia can use it so those three can form it.

But major’s are more important.

I’d rather a total Japan-China and USA overhaul than all of latam and SEA getting focus trees.

[fresh cedar]

If they do Columbia, Venezuela etc, I’d want to see Central America as well and maybe also the carribean

3-5 countries just doesn’t seem substantial enough

[cyan trellis]

Early Cuban revolution!

[fresh cedar]

Or capitalist takeover

[cyan trellis]

That’s my biggest gripe with the DLCs - they’re just so tiny

[fresh cedar]

I like the content and generally have fun but yeah agreed

[cyan trellis]

You rework 3-4 countries. This was ABSOLUTELY fine when the DLCs reworked majors mind you, but when it only reworks a few… it’s hard to justify shelling out big bucks for em.

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they started including features into such packs

[thick edge]

$20 for Luxembourg and Liechtenstein

[feral lagoon]

Yeah definitely

Now, GoE I can understand it being 3-4 considering where it aims, but ToA I do agree it should have been a broader selection of countries, even if they got the same regionals as say Paraguay and Uruguay

[thick edge]

Luxembourg better be able to make the HRE

[cyan trellis]

That’s the funny thing.

[fresh cedar]

Should’ve just been South America imo. Would’ve then let them do the carribean and Central America as its own dlc too. But now it’s awkward because it sets up that region to be 3 dlc which will just cause more issues

[feral lagoon]

Yeah 100%

[fresh cedar]

Communist Brazil and Hitler Argentina go so hard though

[cyan trellis]

The most profitable DLCs are probably the ones that actually rework and add new mechanics like La Résistance and NSB.

[feral lagoon]

Country Packs are still relatively new are they? I don't remember when bosporous dropped

[cyan trellis]

Not… focus tree for Brazil Argentina and Chile. Or focuses for Middle East.

[fresh cedar]

That’s years ago

[cyan trellis]

BftB is old technically but since then they’ve been taking over PDX.

[fresh cedar]

I think their function isn’t to sell as much but to tie over players and stakeholders between major DLC

It’s a sort of gap fill that as seconds as additional content otherwise not suited for major releases

[feral lagoon]

You mean like a retention thing?

[cyan trellis]

A bit of each probably.

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think it’s a bad business practice. But it’s clear people want a little more out of them

[cyan trellis]

But like, arguably their desire to rush out a DLC to keep people hooked has… not worked well to say the least.

Like. Just give the devs time.

[fresh cedar]

Hard to meet expectations imo

I still prefer TOA over AAT

[feral lagoon]

If that is their approach, yeah definitely, but I'm not gonna speculate what their intentions behind country packs are as I don't remember any clear cut statements they made over them if any

[fresh cedar]

AAT just wasn’t fun for me. Maybe bc the limited coring

[fresh cedar]

2020

So nearly 5 years ago

[feral lagoon]

Dayum

[fresh cedar]

HOI4 is almost 9 years old

[cyan trellis]

Absolutely. But ironing out STATE_1010 and uhh. This. Should be part of quality control at some point.

[fresh cedar]

So country packs have been coming out for more than half of the games life cycle

[cyan trellis]

I’m old Jesus

[fresh cedar]

BFTB feels like 2 years ago for me

[cyan trellis]

Hard agree.

[feral lagoon]

It does make me wonder how much time they had to work on QA and playtesting

[fresh cedar]

I reserve judgement till after their rounds of patches. My initial judgment has already been extended so now I wait

[fresh cedar]

Apparently many weeks before release. Like 3-4 Atleast

[feral lagoon]

Where'd they mention that? Or is this like a general method

[fresh cedar]

YouTubers mentioned getting it two weeks before release, and were told it was ironed out for a couple weeks before they got their version

So I’m basing it off that, could be nonsense. But at the very least it was 2 weeks with youtubers getting it

[feral lagoon]

Ah, okay

[fresh cedar]

They do this for pretty much every dlc

[feral lagoon]

Yeah, I remember content creators getting early access ofc, I just didn't remember when they got it

[fresh cedar]

Was around the same timeframe for GDR too I believe and TOA

Not sure if it happened before TOA

[cyan trellis]

I mean, realistically it should’ve been left in the oven for longer and not need such a massive patch wave for damage control.

[feral lagoon]

But the thing is, didn't they only release content when the DLC dropped, compared to some time before?

[cyan trellis]

The devs needed time to work.

[fresh cedar]

Yup!

[cyan trellis]

PDX didn’t need to rush them so bad.

[feral lagoon]

Aye, hindsight 20/20

[fresh cedar]

I mean, the releases have all been around the same time every year. So I’m not sure if they even had less time

I feel that the Silk Road and subsequent backlash/changes derailed it to the point that it released as it did

But it could just be they overlooked things

[feral lagoon]

It's a factor 100%

[cyan trellis]

The whole Tibet thing defo did affect it. But it was partly paradox’s fault for not addressing it and letting the whole thing spiral out of control.

Steam forums was a wasteland for days full of spam.

[fresh cedar]

So I’m guessing it was that to the most part. And so it threw it off balance

[cyan trellis]

Absolutely yes.

[fresh cedar]

Luchilly they actually want to fix it though

[cyan trellis]

Poorly handled, thoughever.

[feral lagoon]

The thing I'm wondering is, how would they have theoretically addressed it though?

[fresh cedar]

Well now they can make up for it

[fresh cedar]

I may have allowed China to code Tibet with high compliance as a war effort and promised such a change, while making it the same for India instead of quick cores. The Silk Road removal was a good call

[cyan trellis]

Two ways. Cave in and give the Chinese the core as part of the patch, or muscle up on their moderation everywhere.

[fresh cedar]

But I’m not paradox so I can’t say why they did what they did. Allowing China to do that would’ve basically given into demands from people who sent death threats, effectively validating their toxic behavior

[cyan trellis]

As in, deleting the Chinese spam posts, addressing the review bombing, etc.

[cyan trellis]

Yup.

That would basically tell them that if they go too far, it’ll work.

Which is why I’d be proponent of heavy moderation on that kind of thing and not letting the Chinese spam posts fester.

[feral lagoon]

Mm, kk

I was just asking because I believe there's a pretty significant East Asian community, at least it is on the workshop, so to me it seems like a minefield to properly address

[cyan trellis]

Because I saw some heavily racist, homophobic things posted by the netizens at the forum.

[fresh cedar]

As a whole it may be a disaster but I see it as a Pyrrhic victory for paradox

[cyan trellis]

It’s banned in China so realistically they’re not a market.

[feral lagoon]

Hm, ic

[fresh cedar]

PRC doesn’t exactly like how real history represents their country lol. They complained a lot for waking the tiger too

[cyan trellis]

I don’t really recall why but probably something to do with kai-shek and Tibet. Probably. Take it with a grain of salt, I just know it’s banned.

[fresh cedar]

PRC is shown weaker than ROC, with many other polities having equal if not greater claims on China. Goes against one China policy

Personally if I were them I’d be like “Wow look at everything we overcame” not “We lack legitimacy!”

[dense gale]

i mean the issues with cores is very different visions

cores used to be more grounded

but now are handed out like candy

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

The old system of requiring high compliance with some like Poland was kinda nice

[feral lagoon]

Aye I do agree it was more enjoyable when coring felt methodical with the need for say compliance, getting the approval of countries like in the imperial federation, etc.

[fresh cedar]

I like formables though

[feral lagoon]

Oh yeah fr, formables are still valid because there's that sense of reward from going through the process of conquering countries

[pseudo wing]

what would be the balance of the two, in your opinion, that you'd like to see?

(this is a personal question, I'm just curious)

[fresh cedar]

I really like incremental formable nations such as Morocco. Perhaps early and most plausible ones would be normal formables where you just need to occupy. Then the further you get, the harder it becomes, requiring higher compliance for example. So like Persia could get Afghanistan and middleast for free. But North Africa and Greece would require compliance to core

Like direct strong claims easily obtainable. But mixed ones needing more work

Depends on the scope of the formable imo

[warped prairie]

make coring cost a ridiculous amount of PP, since the communist and facist in mid to late game end up floating a lot give them something else to use it on, maybe even cost civ factories for X amount of time depending on the resources of factories in a state.

but keep formable for when you own all of the land but something like high compliance coring as a stepping stone on the way there.

so each mechanic does not overstep into the others territory

[feral lagoon]

Methodical formables I enjoy, where you need to go through a process to acquire them, like the Imperial Federation or the European Union

[fresh cedar]

I actually like how TOA did cores

Costs like 30-75 pp to core occupied territories

Which becomes like 3000+ pp to do a continent

[warped prairie]

yep something like that cause for me in mid to lategame pp becomes useless in sp and mp

[fresh cedar]

They did this with GOE though, like Arab federation needs pp to core

The Roman Empire formable in particular could probably use work. Western Rome in mainland Europe seems okay for free cores. But its African, British isles, Germanic and Middleastern cores should be PP

[feral lagoon]

Yeahh, ToA did it nicely which I appreciate; there's also the paths where you make an alliance and then integrate your allies right?

[fresh cedar]

The integration was GDR I believe

[feral lagoon]

I was thinking abt like the good neighbour policy for brazil

I think that's the one that does it?

[fresh cedar]

The scope of cores isn’t really my gripe, Moreso the expediency of cores in very contested and far fetched areas

[fresh cedar]

True true

[pseudo wing]

Interesting ideas, though I am curious what you define as a 'methodical' formable outside of the Imperial Federation, or rather how you'd think it'd be achieved

(If you see me make a spelling error, no you did not)

[fresh cedar]

Chak is data gathering rn 😂

[thick edge]

Gathering notes

The next dlc will be peak

(Bye money)

[pseudo wing]

if only, I am just curious and stalling on doing something i really dont wanna do IRL

XD

[fresh cedar]

Same

[feral lagoon]

I had to trivialise my message bc I'm a lil busy with getting home, but what I mean is that you need to take steps to get it, like how in the European Union mechanic you get to make a faction, invite people to it, federalise and annex them to get the territory needed for your cores to do the formables

[hard arch]

tik toc be like

[thick edge]

proceeds to stall it by a week

[warped prairie]

when you procrastinate on procrastination

[pseudo wing]

I can't do that, I'd rather my room not smell like dirty laundry lol

[fresh cedar]

There’s grounds for coring through regional powers agreeing upon joining

That type

[hard arch]

plz add kyivan rus if you release ukraine

🙏

[thick edge]

lol

[fresh cedar]

Chak isn’t that sort of HOI4 team member lol

[feral lagoon]

I'm a little confused, you got an example?

[hard arch]

whats so funny

[pseudo wing]

If you want a specific releasable, best place to mention it is on the forums

bc lord knows no one wants me to code anything

[fresh cedar]

Just like what you mentioned. The powers you allied slowly integrate

[thick edge]

I wasn’t talking to u bro

[feral lagoon]

Ohhh right

[fresh cedar]

I don’t want all formable to integrate that way but would be cool to have some

[pseudo wing]

Indeed, I am Le Stupid

[feral lagoon]

Yeah ofc, there should be different methods, they were just the main ones I could get off top of my head

[pseudo wing]

I only manage the community here and type out the dev diaries and stuff, the assets too, I am not a coder

[fresh cedar]

It’s just crazy how Mexico must wait like 240 days to core southeast USA, meanwhile Roman Empire can basically instantly core all of the former empire

Ig regions do take political power

[feral lagoon]

Yeah, there's that disparity between how efficiently you can get them regardless, if that's what you mean?

[fresh cedar]

Mhm

Some seem easy, some not. But I suppose each country is different realistically so some may be easier than others

[hearty blade]

only english in this server young man

i have to do everything around here

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-quebec-scream-quebec-crie-si-tu-aime-le-québec-québec-crie-gif-6243316274443352922

[feral lagoon]

Lmfao

[hearty blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-3018175339177676319

[fresh cedar]

Chak using that classic Arheo logic question of “What do you think that would look like” smh

[feral lagoon]

Tbh it's not a bad method

[pseudo wing]

eh, I am more trying to get in line with how some people think because I can't see it myself, sometimes

[feral lagoon]

WHAT

[fresh cedar]

That makes sense

[pseudo wing]

I will give you the role of shame dont make me do it

[hearty blade]

hi lily

[runic depot]

you wouldnt dare

[pseudo wing]

im crazy

[feral lagoon]

Ahh, yeah I get that man, it's a bit hard to see from other perspectives

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[runic depot]

LMAO

[hearty blade]

lily has turned into one of those reaction repliers

oh my god

just like chak

[fresh cedar]

France cores on Quebec and non-rng French federation confirmed?

[hearty blade]

u were around chak for like 2 months and he already corrupted u to the very core

[hearty blade]

legit a good idea

[fresh cedar]

Seriously though guys, head, shoulders, knees should be the order of the patches…

[hearty blade]

head shoulders knees and toes

[feral lagoon]

We need to make a petition for it

[fresh cedar]

“OH YAY THE MASSIVE TOES UPDATE IS HERE”

[hearty blade]

fr

[pseudo wing]

perspectives and seeing how other people think helps me understand where people are coming from, which also helps me go through what people are saying and it's kernel of truth and whatnot, yknow?

[pseudo wing]

Toe-tally

[fresh cedar]

Chak will be like “For all you foot fanatics out there, the toes update is here ;)”

[hearty blade]

im a junior marketing expert clearly

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-cannon-gif-14801380928410168204

[pseudo wing]

nahhhh that is wild no thanks

[fresh cedar]

😭😭😭

[pseudo wing]

I like Pun-ishing people but thats just too far

[feral lagoon]

Yessir, it's extremely useful and something I learned to pick up on back when I did game modifications and custom game formats

Hard to work with sometimes, but it's invaluable imo

[runic depot]

chak i will remove quebec from the game i swear to god

[feral lagoon]

Let's get the Sea of Quebec gang

[fresh cedar]

France coring Quebec would be peak

[cobalt jay]

I mean Lily gave me the best laugh I have from code in a long time

[fresh cedar]

Chile is legit the better France lol

[feral lagoon]

Ayo, dev notes in the code?

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/montreal-expos-youppi-mascot-mascots-mlb-gif-16507168

[fresh cedar]

Imagine cores on the Louisiana territory too, comparable to the Spanish empire war effort patch?

[cobalt jay]

I legit want to know how you snuck that past QA, Lily

[feral lagoon]

Bros just based like that ig

[fresh cedar]

What does this mean

[pseudo wing]

I'm insane idk

[coral drift]

Ah yeah, Southeast Asia, totally not an important WW2 theater

[cobalt jay]

You didn't see it, it already made it on social media

[feral lagoon]

Mood

[fresh cedar]

What is that mascot?

[feral lagoon]

Nah I didn't bro, been out of the community loop for a hot minute

[cobalt jay]

You have to remember Chak is "French"

[fresh cedar]

Looks like one of those fuzzy worms on a string if it sprouted limbs

[pseudo wing]

Mascot for the Montreal Expos (baseball team)

as to what it is, you'd have to ask them

I dont watch sportsball

[fresh cedar]

If this worm evolved, it would be the Quebec mascot

[pseudo wing]

I'd rather someone figure out a way to make Poutine into a Mascot costume

I would become a staunch Quebec supporter

[fresh cedar]

I once made a poster for a Poutinefest event where the fries were zombies coming out of a cheesy graveyard

[coral drift]

I personally loves irredentist-type formables with claims between 1736-1969.

[fresh cedar]

(Was around Halloween)

[thick edge]

Chak, when is the moon/mars colonization update

[hearty blade]

i like the ottoman/ byzantine formables but without needing to beat 3 factions to core

[pseudo wing]

I am too tired this morning, I had to look up irredentist

[hearty blade]

irredentismo

[pallid hollow]

Good morning @pseudo wing

[pseudo wing]

at the same time that you win against me

[pseudo wing]

hallo friend, did I perhaps miss a message

I am currently sitting on 567

lmao

[pallid hollow]

Nooo, I just wanted to say hello!

[cobalt jay]

Commanders or what?

[thick edge]

Peak mod?

[coral drift]

Already did my job to propose a rework for Arabia in the forums since 2020, btw.

[pseudo wing]

silly Lu Jian, you think I mean in-game

I meant in the cosmic sense, he can never really defeat me

I am too cringe

[thick edge]

Chak would definitely make shyy play commanders for him

Would be rlly funny

[coral drift]

Oh, hi.
Hope all goes well for tomorrow's patch.

[cobalt jay]

I'll play against you

[pseudo wing]

Oh nice, keep the suggestions going

I don't make any decisions but I can perhaps mention it if/when I have the time towards more War Effort content

[pseudo wing]

how dare you, hello

[coral drift]

Forming "Greater X" stuffs, limited only to the groups who proposed for it.

[thick edge]

I’m at school

Maybe u will finally beat me lol

[pseudo wing]

Hi at school, I'm Chak

[cobalt jay]

I have found the meta

[thick edge]

I am giving Canada to Denmark

(But u don’t get the legos)

[thick edge]

Im gonna need Steiner

[coral drift]

I didn't know where D3vil is going lately, so maybe Lily can pick up his mantle to realize my wishes for Arabian tiered formable?

(also adding two more core and claim for Rattanakosin formable at Burmese states)

(darn it, Meka, why you left so early?)

[pseudo wing]

What other formables would you like to see? Other than the Obvious Quebec one that I am SURE you all want

r-right?

[thick edge]

With 5 core population??

Peak

[pseudo wing]

excuse you

there is at least SIX

be fr

[coral drift]

I would love Assyrian Empire to be retooled into Mesopotamia, and available for free.
The caveat is that if you formed it as an Arab nation, you can't form Arabia.

Required and cored: Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Kuwait, Jordan
Claims/cores added when formed: Jawf, southern Turkey, Sinai

(i'll probably adding it to my mod as well)

[feral lagoon]

Whazzap I'm back fools, I just got home

[rocky oasis]

Here is my suggestion unrelated to formables: more generals for Afghanistan.

[fresh cedar]

1. Maybe more releaseables for the US. Would be neat to be like New England, or the Southeast, the Pacific states etc.
2. Make it so Greek/byzantine formables don’t require islands to form.
3. More African formables on the Ivory Coast.
4. Smaller Middleastern formables. Like the idea of Arabia but it’s extremely hard to form. Maybe only require the Levant to start and then let it expand from there like Al Andalus.

What’s needed to form Arabia initially

Potential formable for Palestine, Syria, Lebanon. And Malta 😉 (Tenth Crusade)

[fresh cedar]

Sorry Chak you asked lol

[hearty blade]

quebec empire cores all of france (including colonies)

[pseudo wing]

I did ask, no need to apologise

[pseudo wing]

need this asap

yes ofc

[runic depot]

no

[vestal summit]

RU?

[pseudo wing]

you hate me

[runic depot]

yes

[pseudo wing]

I mean fair

[hearty blade]

quebec empire should have a mechanic to change native languages to quebec french

[runic depot]

😭 Noo now I feel bad

[hearty blade]

and then core

quebec knows no borders

[pseudo wing]

if you are asking if there are Russian language channels in the server, no there are not

You could perhaps find some people to play with in #alt-history-multiplayer #historical-multiplayer that speak russian but all communication in the server has to be english

[feral lagoon]

rename every state to french localisation 5head

[pseudo wing]

good. u hurt my itty bitty feelings

[fresh cedar]

What does Lily think about the formables I showed 😦

[vestal summit]

ok

[fresh cedar]

Levant Malta Tenth Crusade😔

[thick edge]

I feel like decision formidable would be cool

Like the formidables mod

[fresh cedar]

That mod if very formidable

[feral lagoon]

?

[fresh cedar]

Formable nations 😂

[feral lagoon]

My brain crashed

[fresh cedar]

Legit though, Arabia should be formed with this or just the general middleast. To get cores on North Africa should function as later coring decisions like Al Andalus

Arabia just such a massive single formable. Almost not worth bc gotta lose 50 billion manpower to get it

This is Hard

This, chefs kiss

[pseudo wing]

interesting idea

also I have added the 'naval "expert" role with a role icon for people to use now because I feel like its great

[feral lagoon]

On the topic of formables actually, I find it a bit weird that some formables have to be independent while others aren't

[fresh cedar]

Like RK’s or what

[fresh cedar]

Far from being that I’m afraid 😂

[feral lagoon]

There's some like Gran Colombia which need the country to be independent

Whereas other formables like I think Hispaniola, Latin Africa, Great Zimbabwe, they can be puppets and still form

[pseudo wing]

nono trust me, they are an expert

yes

[runic depot]

navy? isnt that just the thing where you click your ships and press "strike force"?

[pseudo wing]

see, Kai here is an EXPERT

[pseudo wing]

I'm not sure, I play landlocked countries like... Canada

yes, landlocked

....

[feral lagoon]

:)

[errant forge]

Very landlocked, I agree! Landlocked are the best!

[feral lagoon]

me when the land is locked

[fresh cedar]

This is basically the current Morocco Umayyad formable. Green being needed to form, darker colors being different sections of it later

[runic depot]

as you wish

[fresh cedar]

Ewww

[pseudo wing]

Lily is just mad that they burned down their navy clicking on it

smh

[runic depot]

this is going to be how the map looks from now on

be greatful! i did just what you asked for!

[fresh cedar]

You should change swedens color to be identical to the USA to make it even worse

[feral lagoon]

greatful

[pseudo wing]

greatful

[runic depot]

grateful

[fresh cedar]

Grapefruit

[feral lagoon]

the grates are full

[pseudo wing]

I like that idea, yeah

[fresh cedar]

Imagine Quebec could get cores on Louisiana

Greater Quebec

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-credit-card-meme-debit-card-credit-card-buy-now-gif-25523787

@runic depot

[runic depot]

no

[pseudo wing]

Lily hates me

[runic depot]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Neo Franco Empire, can core the carribean too

[runic depot]

we've been over this

[pseudo wing]

Nattmaran, I need you to help a guy out

its very necesary

[errant forge]

Oi, she doesn't hate you, just... Quebecsiana is not a vibe?

[coral drift]

Please, @runic depot?

[fresh cedar]

Of course Lily is cool with the Spanish empire getting all its former cores including Florida. But France can’t even get Quebec 😭

[pseudo wing]

just have the formable be named to 'Nouvelle Monde'

would honestly be great

[fresh cedar]

They would have amazing food

Poutine as a side, gumbo as a main

🥹

[errant forge]

... You might be onto something! That does sound good

... still, I'm afraid it's gonna have to be a no

[runic depot]

A tiered arabian formable is something I would not be against, and is definitely worth considering, but its not the biggest priority right now and so no promises. But maybe.

[pseudo wing]

smh, day is RUINED

(its not, I am just out of tea rn)

[coral drift]

Whelp

[fresh cedar]

Okay, well that’s a good start I suppose haha

[errant forge]

that is a disaster! No tea?! D:

[pseudo wing]

I now have to boil more water

which is in the next room

[fresh cedar]

Tiered formables are so good

[pseudo wing]

its too far away

[dusk mist]

the bad french really makes it feel like quebec

[pseudo wing]

😉

[sonic ferry]

So u are saying if something is banned, they don't exist?
But Paradox take Chinese money away.. If you gain, u have to pay
U can't earn money from someone and cliam that they don't exist so u have no obligation

[dusk mist]

lore accurate quebec

[fresh cedar]

French Empire should have a similar final focus to the Spanish empire one where if they occupy former colonies can core them 😉

That war effort Spanish empire formable focus is so good

[coral drift]

Corrected Rattanakosin formable should also be in too.

[feral lagoon]

Tbh it would slap, we get Imperial Federation, Spanish Empire, why doesn't France get one?

[pseudo wing]

Quebecois french has a little english and english in it, makes it make perfect sense

Quebec French is just old France French, but Quebecois is a whole other ordeal lol

[fresh cedar]

Right, UK and Spain get em

[dusk mist]

do you know Tetes a Claques?

i love it

best quebecois you'll see

[pseudo wing]

I live in Montreal, of course I know it lol

[dusk mist]

lol

[pseudo wing]

I saw what you wrote @fresh cedar

😐

smh

[fresh cedar]

It blocked it 😂

Didn’t realize it was a no no word

[dusk mist]

was never sure if it was actually just skits in quebecois or making fun of quebecois

[pseudo wing]

bit of column A, bit of Column B

[pseudo wing]

potty mouth over here

[fresh cedar]

France Formable path 😉

[fresh cedar]

Literally, I’m a menace

Tbh never used to play Spanish empire. But after the war effort changes it’s my favorite Spain

[feral lagoon]

noice

I might have to check it out if I feel like playing HOI4 again

[fresh cedar]

If you occupy all of that as the Spanish Empire, you can core it through a focus

Going from like 35 mil manpower to like 150 mil

[feral lagoon]

noice

Yeah I'll try that path out when I get the vibe to play, just haven't had any new motive to hop on

[fresh cedar]

I get like that too, so many things to play nowadays. And often lack the energy to play any

[polar jasper]

The best part of Canada, the worst part of France

• some joke I heard a long time ago

[feral lagoon]

I don't have much choice paralysis tbh, I just feel like I've done all the different builds I can think of

[fresh cedar]

Same

[thick edge]

British…

[hard arch]

guys

should I support sinkiiang expansion?

⁉️

[thick edge]

No

[hard arch]

why

[thick edge]

They are big enough

[hard arch]

it gives me -1% consumer goods💵

https://tenor.com/view/p-diddy-money-dollars-cash-rich-gif-3555043

[edgy walrus]

About that, today I just posted a suggestion in the forum about the Crown of Aragon as a Formable Nation:
Thread 'Crown of Aragon as a Formable Nation' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/crown-of-aragon-as-a-formable-nation.1731088/

Since the Crown of Aragon already exists in the game as a cosmetig tag for Catalonia, wouldn't be hard to implement it.

[coral drift]

Oh, hi.
(MacTavish here)

I mean, it is a good formable, but it's another single-releaseable formable, reminded me of Assyria.

At least many releaseables can form Turkestan, Caucasus, Northern Caucasus, and Tatarstan

[fresh cedar]

More formables the better lowkey 😂

[edgy walrus]

Well, Catalonia is the only country that makes sense to form it 😆

[solid gyro]

Not really, it would also make sense for Naples to be able to form it

[edgy walrus]

I don't think so. Naples and Sicily were conquered by Aragon after being formed. It would be like Danzig coring the German Empire, or Tunis, Lybia or Egypt coring the Ottoman Empire

[solid gyro]

I mean, Croatia can form Austria Hungary

[edgy walrus]

Yes, and I think it shouldn't 😅

[weary river]

Croatia-Hungary

[warm dew]

wait what happened with the new DLC that the developers are now doing a "sorry" post and that the dlc has overwhelmingly negative review?

[thick edge]

Bro is not in the loop

[warm dew]

I am not. The new dlc came to me as a surprise lol

[solid gyro]

Where's a sorry post

[warm dew]

I saw it on steam

[solid gyro]

This is the best failure ive seen

[edgy walrus]

On the one hand, many furious Chinese nationalists made a review bombing because India can now core Tibet, and China can't. And also India has a focus about the Silk Road but China hasn't. What they don't realise is that this is a DLC based in India and Middle East, not in China. And if someday they make a DLC based in China, probably would adress those things.
On the other hand, the DLC has been released very bad: a lot of bugs, unfinished parts, previous events and focuses broken, etc. They should have delayed the release to fix all of this before launching the DLC.

And that's my summary 😅

[still herald]

Can you get Faqir of Ipi as a country leader, his portrait was in the dev diary but I cant find him in game

or as a general

[drifting star]

Is the Persia being unable to core Iraq or the Levantine going to be fixed ?

[worn depot]

very likely

[proud basin]

Celtic union schitzo path for Ireland (scotland, britanny, wales, bits of north portugal and spain) and cores on all of US cuz why not

also unsure why you can't have all indian releasable released at game start

[feral lagoon]

There's a gamerule for it no? Or do you mean like with ironman

[proud basin]

unless I missed it no gamerule for it

[feral lagoon]

You'll wanna scroll down to the fragmentation rules

[proud basin]

ye ik I checked for it unless im just blind

[feral lagoon]

ah, uhh

It should be there? Probs have to be thorough in the game rules but ik it's there

[proud basin]

I'll check now but I remember thinking it was stupid why you couldnt

oh nvm my bad I think I expected it to be under germany because it's new but now realized it's farther up

[dusk mist]

Ugh the US

[proud basin]

think of it this way most americans wish they were irish (cuz their grand aunts cousins dog was irish) so we make them irish

[dusk mist]

Yeah I get that

But aaargh it's so cringe

[proud basin]

it is a schitzo path so can't really go wrong

[kindred beacon]

It's actually pretty ridiculous that China can't core Tibet and Mongolia

Plenty of countries have tons of expansion options but China can't gain a core state on a country that historically has been part of China or a Chinese vassal for over a thousand years. Same goes for Mongolia since they were a vassal of the Qing, claimed (and before 1921 occupied by) the ROC, and historically the Mongols even ruled China during the Yuan dynasty

Meanwhile India can make a Hindu Theocracy that gets easy cores on a Buddhist country

[stable tusk]

Tbf, WTT is pretty old at this point

[proud basin]

I think it's crazy that mongolia doesnt have a focus tree yet due to the insane history they have, and ireland should get one cuz they are goated

[kindred beacon]

It is, but given most of the alternate history paths in-game have tons of wacky expansion options it feels weird that the devs are the Dalai Lama's strongest soldiers on this issue

Wouldn't be that hard, just make it like how Poland can core Lithuania or India can core the Princely States with enough compliance

[cyan trellis]

Oh yeah I’m sure a burma focus tree would be extremely fun. (Obvious joke)

It was an important theater. For the majors, not for the tiny nations there. Lol

[dusk mist]

we had this debate before, definitely not clear cut that tibet has been under china's control for a thousand years. however, at the end of the day, it is completely irrelevant. it does not matter. I do agree that the india tree and options are silly though.

[cyan trellis]

How is paradox “taking Chinese money away”?????

[kindred beacon]

Hoi4 isn't banned in China

[dusk mist]

also, why doesn't spain just take all of portugal? they have plenty enough points

instead we will be left with more nations and more lag and more border gore

[kindred beacon]

Because peace conference AI was, is, and always will be broken

[dusk mist]

yet they will fight me over two provinces in a country i have cores on

🤦‍♂️

[cyan trellis]

It is.

[kindred beacon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/ivfzq4/hoi4_is_not_banned_in_china_stop_spreading_rumors/

The game is not banned in China. It is merely unavaliable through the Chinese version of the Steam Store

[dusk mist]

wikipedia says it is, that's all i've got

[kindred beacon]

Many western games aren't avaliable on the Chinese Steam for various reasons, often due to China's strict censorship

[cyan trellis]

Yes you can buy it through clandestine means. Doesn’t mean it’s not banned from official ones.

[dusk mist]

yeah, cause they banned it

[cyan trellis]

Lol

[kindred beacon]

Hey, check the source maybe?

This is talking about the original Hearts of Iron

[dusk mist]

playing the game is not banned, but purchasing it is banned.

[kindred beacon]

Hoi4 isn't "banned" in China it's just unvaliable for purchase on Chinese Steam like many western games because they don't want to have to deal with Chinese censorship

There are some legal means to get it China, though most players will just pirate it from what I know

[dusk mist]

and your source is a reddit post saying that chinese players have found ways to get hoi4 other than steam, which it was banned from by the chinese government

[kindred beacon]

Because piracy of western media is in general very easy and not prosecuted in China

[dusk mist]

first comment on that post:

[cyan trellis]

https://www.svg.com/202202/the-real-reason-these-games-were-banned-in-china/

[kindred beacon]

By Steam

[cyan trellis]

That doesn’t make it not banned, though.

[dusk mist]

proof? everything else says it was banned by the government

[kindred beacon]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-removed-from-steam-in-china.1052971/

Alright, you're mostly right

[cyan trellis]

Certain psychodelics irl are illegal in most countries yet easily available. Doesn’t make them not illegal, for analogy’s sake.

The PRC’s government is very draconian in that sense.

In others too but let’s not get into that.

[dusk mist]

also technically steam is not supposed to be able to sell any games without explicit permission of the chinese government for that game. They ignore this, and so techincally the vast majority of games they sell in china are banned (since they are not permitted), but available on steam. the government does not stop this because they do not care about most of these games. In cases where they care enough, they enforce the rule, such as with hoi4. And in the most severe cases, they not only ban the game from Steam, but ban possession or playing of the game entirely (such as with Battlefield).

[frozen marsh]

whats the next update gonna be?

[drifting star]

It’s gunna be a patch for all the bugs

[frozen marsh]

no i mean the next dlc

[rigid schooner]

Prob something in the pacific

[frozen marsh]

i hope so too

[drifting star]

Nah it’s gunna be Ecuador

And Columbia

[rigid schooner]

Haiti world conquest

Or Iceland

[drifting star]

Luxanburg

[rigid schooner]

Probably a tannau tuva tree before Australia

[drifting star]

A South Asia + resource allocation re work would be peak

[rigid schooner]

Peace conference should

[drifting star]

All the main line dlc expansions are always amazing

Gotterdemarung and no step back were amazing

[rigid schooner]

Got is only good post 40s

You ain’t buiding a naval facility in until 42

[drifting star]

If Japan is reworked I hope we get Mongolian empire

[rigid schooner]

Nah here is my idea

[drifting star]

Or a schizo Japanese emperor of the world

[rigid schooner]

Japan dlc with trees for Siam, Indonesia, Malaysia and phillipines plus add indochina

[frozen marsh]

i hope they make co prosperity sphere somehting like mittleeuropa

[rigid schooner]

Country pack for china, warlords and Mongolia states

[drifting star]

It would also need a China rework

Turkey rework

[rigid schooner]

DLC for USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand

And country pack Middle East-north Africa

[drifting star]

Desperately need a turkey rework it does not hold up with new dlc

A dlc of just countries that capped quickly ie Albania

[rigid schooner]

Not until bftb gets becomes a part or the game

Like non dlc

Like I said two years of stuff for paradox

[coral drift]

Just because the country lacks online presence due to the ongoing juntas, doesn't mean that the country's WW2 history is not interesting.
You should read "Nusantara" by Bernard Vlekke sometime, especially the 1900-1941 section.

[coral drift]

Greater Japanese Empire cosmetic formable like Greater German Reich should be a must.

Not every formables should core all of its required territories.

[drifting star]

We need a greater Indonesia as well

It’s such a cool nation

[cyan trellis]

That still wouldn’t make it enjoyable. Wouldn’t be much fun playing British Malaya or Dutch East Indies with a focus tree.

[cobalt jay]

The thing with Japan is that it is to an extent extremely vulnerable to RNG and snowballs

[cyan trellis]

Current state Netherlands was relevant in WW2 yet very flawed and fundamentally boring without going into the alt history insanity pipeline like Belgium did.

Their focuses also suck but that’s besides the point.

[cobalt jay]

The thing is Japan right now isn't half bad just extremely RNG and high skill floor

[coral drift]

*Nusantara.

The present Indonesia is already the greater one, with the initial movement only advocating independence of Java and Sumatra from Dutch rule.

[drifting star]

I just realized you made an Indonesia mod

[coral drift]

Don't read Indonesian government official history books. Read Ricklefs' "A History of Modern Indonesia" instead

[coral drift]

Yup. Two years worth of reading makes me realize that Indonesian history is much more interesting than the government official narrative.

[plain matrix]

oof

[hollow coral]

Fascist path is alright, communist path is alright but basically just fascist conquest, monarchist path basically only works if you get invaded, democratic actually alright cuz you can form eu

[tired acorn]

Dev diary today, please fix Afghanistan paradox 🙏

[thick edge]

Instead u get operation head

[hollow coral]

yall cant wait for the prototype pack🙏

ts gonna save hoi4

[keen ferry]

Ideea for hungary democratic factio path

It should be able to form the EU

It's really empty

Just a faction and the joint FT

[hollow coral]

well the eu rn isnt very popular

in hungary

and i imagine it wouldnt have been back in 1930 either

[keen ferry]

This game is about imagination beyond the limits

[hollow coral]

cant it hold referendums to get back territory?

[broken horizon]

Hungary should always stay hungry!!!

[hollow coral]

a great hunger fr

[keen ferry]

True

But the democratic path (faction) is empty

[broken horizon]

Yea so hungary name dosent lose its meaning(sry for lame joke)

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully they also fix communist India not getting all its advisors

Was playing communist India last night and just as I was about to beat Pakistan, Afghanistan puppeted them and ended the war.

[hollow coral]

hopefully they give pakistan ali jinnah as a leader when it is released rather than through focuses

[fresh cedar]

Would be nice

[hollow coral]

they gave bangladesh a portrait for non aligned

yet its still called sultanate of bangladesh

[fresh cedar]

It’s funny bc communist Uk let me free in my game. Yet they were still supporting anti communist Pakistan 😂

So busted

[hollow coral]

even though he wasnt a monarchist

[hollow coral]

crazy

[fresh cedar]

Heck even Burma gets a few images

[hollow coral]

they dont change colour if they are freed

[fresh cedar]

Burma has a female leader as communist I believe

[hollow coral]

and we dont get to see aung san unless game rules are set to asia uncolonised

[hollow coral]

actually the monarchist leader is a female

[fresh cedar]

Oh cool!

[hollow coral]

honestly already a good setup for a southeast asia dlc

[deep stag]

Release time?

[fresh cedar]

No idea, I don’t work for paradox 😂

[thick edge]

12th of march

Duhh

[deep stag]

I said release time, not release date.

[thick edge]

12th of march is 100% a time

[drifting star]

Australia needed a rework

[feral lagoon]

We didn't get a time chief, just a date

[hollow coral]

When man the guns gets integrated then we will probably see a australia rework

Commonwealth and all would be a cool theme

[deep stag]

A lot of pacific puppets could use a rework

[hollow coral]

Southeast asia country pack

Then commonwealth ig

Or smthn

Levant dlc

They will probably end up releasing some north africa countries

Rest of south america dlc

Usa, mexico, central and carribean dlc