latest-updates

[frosty oak]

That needs to be a thing for the entire Chinese foreign support shared tree

Pls paradox, make them all 35 days, change nothing else and it will be perfect

Oh wait, actually change one more thing, add decisions to core Tibet, outer Mongolia, Tuva, and outer Manchuria

[thick edge]

No

U can’t core Tibet

[frosty oak]

Why not

[thick edge]

The Chinese will be mad

[frosty oak]

Ok then give them those dumb spirits some states get like with turkey

But core everything else

[thick edge]

Fr

[frosty oak]

Or better yet, a simple cosmetic tag for a Tibetan autonomous area

[gaunt sleet]

no he’s saying he wants Tibet to not be cored to keep the Chinese mad

[frosty oak]

Ik

[rocky oasis]

Compromise idea. China gets cores on Tibet, but Tibet also gets cores on all of China.

[gaunt sleet]

I can’t wait for China dlc to come out and they make Tibet overpowered specifically to piss off the Chinese. Either that or paradox just swaps tags and makes Mao Chi and nationalist China ROC

[thick edge]

Yes

Make Tibet into a sea zone

[quick sleet]

Next dlc will be at November or next year

[gaunt sleet]

Wonder what they’re gonna add tbh

[gaunt sleet]

Also you were on TERRA TALES?

[rocky oasis]

Next DLC is technically the prototype vehicles pack.

[frosty oak]

More info pacific reworks please

[wise oxide]

where diary? are the chinese still mad?

[quick sleet]

Probably the pass is every year and will bring new big expansion and country pact like now

[gaunt sleet]

ok but that’s not really dlc that’s just like models

[safe trail]

@wise oxide no dev diary today

[daring forge]

they're reshuffling the schedule atm

chak will update once they have one

[quick sleet]

Maybe later no

[thick edge]

Was that an MC server?

Or smth

[gaunt sleet]

Yeah you’re in the discord

[safe trail]

@quick sleet i hope but unlikley

[thick edge]

Oh yeah

My friend invited me to it

He wanted to win an invite comp

Or smth like that

[gaunt sleet]

hmmm… is your friend derkaiser?

[quick sleet]

If UK and us will get rework so they must bring everyone man the guns for free yeah? Even it probably will focus on china and japan the next expansion

[gaunt sleet]

tbh I feel like hoi5 began with no step back

everything before that needs to be reworked

[quick sleet]

True

[thick edge]

No

[gaunt sleet]

nevermind just wanted to guess mb

[thick edge]

(I forgot)

[quick sleet]

Probably they will add influence maybe like millennium dawn next expansion or new peace deal

[quiet verge]

Dev diary or we riot

[tacit sequoia]

they're delaying it mate, chill out.

[frosty oak]

No need for violence

[tacit sequoia]

fr

[tacit sequoia]

maybe there will be different systems between each ideology correct? like coup d'etat w/ spies, or democratic influence to boost a forced democratic run, or a communist revolution in states.

[quiet verge]

Violence is the ultimate answer

[quick sleet]

Yes

[dull tundra]

Uhhhh

😳

[drifting star]

Where is Iran diary 😭

[crisp rivet]

Never coming out

[gaunt sleet]

This was confirmed?

[harsh hull]

Iran machine broke

[tacit sequoia]

yep

look at hoi4 reddit, screenshot is above also

[gaunt sleet]

screenshot above where?

Oh I found it

[drifting star]

Can we get updated version

[fresh cedar]

Which country?

[uncut vale]

Belarus, but I am living in Australia, so at least I got a little bit of something for Australia.

[uncut vale]

Well not really a country back then i guess

[drifting star]

Can’t wait till Iran puppets the world

It’s what’s most lore accurate

[safe trail]

tommorow then

plese dont chosse violance

[polar jasper]

There, updated

[sleek portal]

what do you win with a bingo?

[polar jasper]

Possible bingos all hinging on zoroastrian iran

[polar jasper]

A good feeling

[drifting star]

Cross out pan Islamist since Hashemite caliphate

[sleek portal]

[polar jasper]

It's a question mark, it's fine

Oh wait

BINGO

[drifting star]

A platypus

Perry the platypus

[sleek portal]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-phineas-and-ferb-pnf-dr-doofenshmirtz-perry-gif-26543370

[drifting star]

This was my whole childhood

[tired surge]

historic iran dev diary today?

[crisp rivet]

How dare you correctly say Protestant is veggietales

[tacit sequoia]

LMAO

[safe trail]

@tired surge no

[lofty creek]

Did any1 else notice the border thingy on Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon?!!!!

[safe trail]

@lofty creek yes confired syria lebanon jordan and palestine start now as pupets

[tired surge]

rip
tnx btw
postponed to tomorrow?

[safe trail]

@tired surge sadly i dont kmow

know

[lofty creek]

Confirmed where?

[safe trail]

@lofty creek from pdx In dev diarys on reddit here on discord

[lofty creek]

Really?

[safe trail]

@lofty creek yes

[lofty creek]

Will they get micro focus trees or anything?

Or is it just basic puppet

[safe trail]

@lofty creek just unique leaders

[tired surge]

was looking forward to see the focus where we declare neutrallity and getting invaded anyways

[safe trail]

like burma

@lofty creek burma aso

[lofty creek]

Well atleast that, now I won't have to use commands to release myself

[thick edge]

Why is this image so saturated

[lofty creek]

Uhh

Some things need to be kept secret for the safety of the human race 👍🏻

[thick edge]

Tf

[safe trail]

@lofty creek

[lofty creek]

Less goooo!

[safe trail]

egypt sadly no

kuwait is aso a puppet

[lofty creek]

Nice

I hope they add formables for them

Would be epic

I'm pretty sure Palestine can unite Arabia tho

[frosty oak]

If assume they will add a new formable or two, but all should have the Arabian formable

[crisp rivet]

Imagine if they get secret trees like Iceland did

They won’t, but…

[frosty oak]

Already confirmed not sadly

I wonder what paradox is doing to change Iran, considering how long it’s taking to release the dev diary

[safe trail]

@frosty oak nothing to do with iran but they relased india video today this is why but i wisched they relased the dev diary and not the video

[frosty oak]

But they said they were gonna release the dev diary today

Historical Iran

[safe trail]

@frosty oak yes but plans changed last week w schuld get a stream to india and the stream came never

@frosty oak maybe tommorow we get iran

@frosty oak they seid we get a changed roadmap

[thick edge]

Maybe

God u like pinging him

[frosty oak]

Yeah ikr lol

[safe trail]

hahahahha

[crisp rivet]

This is great entertainment

(I gave up waiting 2 minutes ago)

[crisp rivet]

So the dlc is released later?

[safe trail]

no just when the dev diarys are elased

relased

[crisp rivet]

[drifting star]

If devs are reading this will iraqs opec focus allow them to form a faction with oil producing states or national spirit like the anti Soviet pact?

[crisp rivet]

Goose-a-dam-a-ruin

(Yes, that’s how I used to say it)

[drifting star]

Also to form Hashemite caliphate will you have to stay as puppet of uk?

Ghazi has no legitimate claim to many of the Muslims of the time who still supported abdulbecid II , yall should add a focues like “ restart the caliphate conferences” and choose the leader from their

[worn depot]

Just checked out the Raj video, I’m confused to as why the Mughal path wasn’t shown. And I also hope they give Burma a reddish color when they’re a colony. Otherwise it just looks like they are independent when in actuality they are a colony

[drifting star]

Prolly cuz they changed a lot of it and didn’t want death threats

[drifting star]

*resurrect the Cairo conference

[worn depot]

But they already showed the changes in the Afghanistan and Iraq dev diary?

[drifting star]

Yeah but filming takes time

[worn depot]

Fair

[fresh cedar]

Would be cool to have Belarus content, though not sure how they’d implement considering it came around 1991. Think releaseables could have some content though

Honestly hoping one day the USA has more release-able states. Would like it to get similar treatment to Germany where it can fracture and reunify

[drifting star]

Actually adding burgundy content would be cool like a post world conquest ww3 would be lit

[paper estuary]

Justice for Egypt

[safe trail]

maybe in a other dlc

[stable tusk]

I wonder what the Kurdistan path is gonna be
Looks pretty short tho like Shyy

[thick edge]

Fr

[digital pumice]

theres a kurdistan focus tree?

[stable tusk]

Looks like it, hasn't been in a dev diary yet tho

[digital pumice]

that would be pretty cool

[solid gyro]

i read that as Kardashian 😭

im so cooked 😭

[hushed trench]

Where does this screen come from?

[stable tusk]

The Iraq DD, it's kinda on the side tho so you can't read any of the focus names

[waxen axle]

Steam forum is flooded with chinese

[fallow reef]

Paradox should Egypt as puppet since it was basically independent from Britain but relied on it

[digital pumice]

it will probably be in the future

[fresh cedar]

Over an issue that was already resolved 😂

[signal depot]

Döner is now 0,10€ more expensive

(this channel didn't specify about what the latest updates have to be)

[drifting star]

It would be cool if they had a Saladin national spirit

[sullen bobcat]

how do speed up the game

its very slow its 1945

[worn depot]

mhm, just pages and pages and pages

Oh, just noticed on the Raj video that the possibility to core Tibet was removed, even though Tibet is part of the concept of Akhand Bharat

[thick edge]

thats just 1945

[thick edge]

if we can core tibet

the chinese

will revolt

[worn depot]

Dw I know I’ve seen the front page of the steam workshop

[sullen bobcat]

there has to be a fix its unplayable

[safe trail]

so they caved to china

dissepointing

[worn depot]

honestly legit lame

though they couldve fixed it by just making these focuses give you the option to get cores on tibet

[tacit sequoia]

There’s gonna be a Chinese rework soon, probably early 2026 or late 2026. Depending if paradox will finish mainland Europe or not.

[worn depot]

I mean thats quite certain to eventually happen

[tacit sequoia]

Mainland Europe as in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania and Greece should have their own country pack tbh (Greece needs political rework and rest are from death or dishonor)

[frosty oak]

My hope:
Winter 2025 Japan, Manchukuo, Mengukuo, Philippines, Pacific Rework
Spring 2026: Southeast Asia Rework
Winter 2026: Chinese Rework
Spring 2027: Commonwealth Update
Winter 2027: Middle East Update

(Indo-pacific supremacy)

[thick edge]

Winter 2027 in the big 25

[dusk mist]

ugh i don't wanna wait until 2027 for the commonwealth

[frosty oak]

I too want an update to Australia and South Africa now

[dusk mist]

yeah same, canada and nz and uk

as well

UK is fun at the moment but it could really do with an update, especially to anything left of the alt-history paths

[frosty oak]

I always forget New Zealand

[dusk mist]

industry and military focuses are so boring and underwhelming

[frosty oak]

The UK doesn’t need an update tbh

Just its colonies

[dusk mist]

it absolutely does

but not as desperately as its colonies

[frosty oak]

It already got a good update

[dusk mist]

how many years ago? it's showing its age

[frosty oak]

You know, if we use that logic, then we need another Soviet update in 3 more years

[dusk mist]

soviet one is not showing its age

uk one is

soviet one is one the of the best in the game

[hearty blade]

tbh UK one isnt that bad

USA is showing age way worse

and god forbid.

Japan

[dusk mist]

it isn't that bad i agree

[hearty blade]

Japan needed an update YESTERDAY

[dusk mist]

not as bad as for example japan yes

or the colonies

but it could still definitely do with a refresher

[hearty blade]

yeah dominions also desperately need something

playing australia is horror

[dusk mist]

go take a look at the industry and naval etc part of the UK's focus tree

it's so bad

"Brittania Rules The Waves" 70 day focus deep in the tree - 3x 50% naval doctrine discount

[dusk mist]

yeah 100%

and in that kind of update you could slot in a bit of UK too

[hearty blade]

classic old focus

the focus tree is def old and not very colourful

but a good few paths are fun

and are strong

[dusk mist]

or you could have pacific update, with japan, some china, australia, and a bit of asia focus uk and pacific focus us

[hearty blade]

def not a powercreep it just needs more colour

[dusk mist]

then later a more atlantic focused canada usa uk one

[dusk mist]

the alt history paths are great

[hearty blade]

they usually do like 1-2 big nations and buncha smaller ones

if they do japan china and USA in 1 update

[dusk mist]

just all the more "standard" focuses are terrible

[hearty blade]

i feel like thats too much

as much as id love that

[dusk mist]

i meant just like parts of the focus tree

[hearty blade]

i feel like they wouldnt be done justice

ah yeah maybe

[dusk mist]

which focus more on the pacific

[hearty blade]

it just needs a facelift really

[dusk mist]

but complete rework of japan

and australia

and regional touchups on usa and uk

and china

[hearty blade]

instead of australia might aswell give phillipines a path

[dusk mist]

only stuff that interacts with japan

[hearty blade]

or something idk

[frosty oak]

I won’t be satisfied until the entire indo-pacific has gotten the love it deserves

Then we can do northern South America, so we can get a rework of that region of the pacific lmao

[drifting star]

Secret leader ideas

[dusk mist]

This should totally give you Barnes Wallace as a scientist in charge of the facility

Scientific genius who invented among other things the bouncing bomb

Which is literally a project in-game

So we have:

• A focus for the exact facility Barnes was in charge of
• A special project for one of Barnes' inventions

No Barnes Wallace in-game?

He should get traits which boost special projects for aircraft (he invented things like geodesic construction) and bombs (he invented the bouncing bomb).

[drifting star]

What does the from the ashes focus do ?

For Afghanistan

[hoary siren]

They’d probably do Japan and USA separately

[drifting star]

Why does Yasin Al Hashemi get the title of caliph according to Dev diary he is the caliph will he replace the king ?

if

Also he died in 1937

Will the king be the leader or will it be the prime minister

[wooden wyvern]

hoping korea gets something when japan gets an update

[hollow coral]

if it does it probably will just be some portraits

[hoary siren]

Probably be Japan, Philippines, Malaya, Siam and maybe Korea as Japanese puppet nation I could also see yeah

[hollow coral]

korea being a puppet is highly unlikely

they didnt have the same autonomy as manchukuo and other states

[hoary siren]

For sure not, but maybe down one of the ahist paths or something will bring them out. Though they most likely wouldn’t have their own focus tree

[wooden wyvern]

id like to see some alt history stuff for them

i agree iot there isnt really much room to add anything

[hollow coral]

its not that there isnt room to add anything its just they dont normally do content as in trees for releasables

[quick sleet]

Do we have new dev dates or it's nonknow

[wooden wyvern]

oh yea, i was just saying korea has an interesting history and i think itd be cool to see what could be done in alt history

[terse viper]

bro why doesn't akhand bharat core tibet ??

[nova olive]

is this image from dev diary?

[terse viper]

from the video

[hollow coral]

Big drama

[nova olive]

go check on steam in 'discussion' it is full of chinese' ranting about how india shouldn't have core on tibet

[terse viper]

lemme check

[hollow coral]

Tbt they kind of have a point but it was a historical concept

But they did make both sides happy now

[terse viper]

you're right, game rating has lowered a lot

[terse viper]

wouldn't it be easier if chinese warlord states get a decision to core tibet too ?

[hollow coral]

Why just the warlords

[nova olive]

chinese also made a mod there british raj didn't exist and was a core of britain, it was taken down. and they also had a mod where any nation could core SWEDEN,,,iykyk, it was taked down too.

[terse viper]

what else could core it too?

[hollow coral]

Nationalist and communists?

[hollow coral]

Thats funny as

[nova olive]

and india coring tibet was alt history anyways

[terse viper]

when I said warlords I meant all the chinese states

but yes

[hollow coral]

Drama was basically chinese community didnt like how india could core it but china cant which is a fair point ig

[hollow coral]

Dont say that next time

[terse viper]

why

what happened

[hollow coral]

It makes it confusing

[nova olive]

but this dlc isn't about china anyways, thay'll get their cores when it's china dlc

[terse viper]

oh mb

[hollow coral]

Nah your fine

[terse viper]

If you look Akhand Bharat on wikipedia it appears tibet being a part of it too

[hollow coral]

🤦

[nova olive]

by alt history i meant alt history path in game. although this has some historical references.

[hollow coral]

But i do feel like this reaction would happen if turkey could core the dodecanese

Not ottoman path

[nova olive]

this reaction would happen in any random case, but the mod that removed 'raj' was hilarious ngl.

[terse viper]

one thing I didn't understand about mughal rework

can't we stay as Mughals or we have to become Timurids after being Mughals?

or do we have to choose a prince and depending of the prince we get the Mughals or the TImurids

[nova olive]

i think we can stay mughal but we have to choose a prince.

[terse viper]

Mughal path hypes me the most

sad thing is that Afghanistan and Iraq focus trees are so small

[nova olive]

I'm more hyped up for the silk road empire

or east india company

[terse viper]

didn't silk road empire get removed?

[nova olive]

it was removed? is there any official confirmation about this?

[terse viper]

when they reworked the Mughal path, they switched the silk road empire for the timurid empire

I may be wrong but it doesn't seem so

[hollow coral]

Im pretty sure they switched it

Which is also pretty fair

[timber bluff]

All I want to know

Is that will there be a focus tree for Pakistan?

[hollow coral]

read the dev responses

but no they said they are only giving trees to the countries advertised (as of right now)

[timber bluff]

Aw man

[hollow coral]

but there definitely will be portraits and maybe some decisions ig

[oak swallow]

Babylonian Empire !!!!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

PLEASE

easter egg

[wise oxide]

what today? delayed iran ?

give china a decision to form qing and core tibet and mongolia to make tham relax😭 💀

[safe trail]

today iran?

[hollow coral]

form qing no

core tibet yes

[thick edge]

Nah

I ate it

I was hungry

[crisp rivet]

What are you?

Stalin or Göring

[wise oxide]

hungöring

[fresh cedar]

Forums

[thick edge]

We might get a dev diary today

Who knows

[crisp rivet]

Only the devs and god

[floral anvil]

Live stream?

[safe trail]

dev diary

[floral anvil]

Live stream

[safe trail]

who needs a live stream iran is more important

[floral anvil]

They wrote this an hour ago

[tired acorn]

riot

[floral anvil]

And now they aren’t doing any live stream

[safe trail]

This expansion is so cursed

[dull tundra]

Where is the stream

Why is this dlc so

[safe trail]

this dlc is Cursed

[pure nexus]

No stream xd?

[floral anvil]

Probably delayed again🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[pseudo wing]

The stream is happening, just a tech issue is all on Twitch's end

[crisp rivet]

I see

[pure nexus]

Okay thanks

[crisp rivet]

Anyways

[safe trail]

why not iran

iran is more important

[fresh cedar]

Rage bait

[safe trail]

no iran is way better then iraß and afgnaistan

[thick edge]

We didn’t even see Iran yet

Stfu

[safe trail]

iran next week

confirmed on livestream

[bright spade]

a week delayed oof

[safe trail]

sadly no dates

[bright spade]

Im guessing it's gonna be 28th since thats when they are gonna do the Iranian stream

so either 27th or 28th would be my guess.

[safe trail]

nah maybe monday wednesday and friday stream

[pseudo mulch]

They're showcasing Iraq now

They're gonna slip up and show the Kurdish focus tree, just you wait

Called it

[quiet verge]

Where's the Iran diary?!?!?!?

Rahhhhh

[daring forge]

yipee kurdistan

[daring forge]

next week

[quiet verge]

Nooooooo

[daring forge]

Iran dev diary will come, we just need to have patience

[strong sequoia]

Actually Iran only lasted 6 days in WWII, Iraq lasted a month and the stream and the dev diary is disappointing

Really they added only Basra and Anbar as states but not Erbil and Slemani

[pseudo mulch]

I think you might be a bit biased there lmao

But the streams for Iraq and Afghanistan are good to ask questions to the devs

And check out that Kurdish focus tree they didn't show in the DD

[strong sequoia]

Nah bruv the Shadows of Babylon mod is way better even in the terms of states, like make Anbar (A Literal desert) but not split Mosul, that not only unfair but also killed the possibility for an Assyria tag

[pseudo mulch]

Just checked the mod out and holy moly

Also, an Assyria tag would've been nice

[strong sequoia]

The mod has one

You can also release it in the democratic path

Which obviously doesn't exist in the DLC like it is basically the Monarchist path but with a possibility to join the allies and funnily enough Ghazi was an Anglophobe but the Monarchist path is Pro British

[pseudo mulch]

Yeah it's weird that there's no democratic Iraq path

[thick edge]

Tf would u do as democratic Iraq

[safe trail]

the livestream was lame

sorry

[coral drift]

BROOOOOO
I want Arabia to be reworked!

Very lame

[safe trail]

the entire stream was lame the götterdämmerung streams was 1000000 times better

we got this before iran bruh lame

[digital pumice]

aw man

but i guess there isnt really much to rework about it

[pseudo mulch]

Mesopotamian federation idk

Or even a Mashriqi union or smth like that

[safe trail]

they didnt play the game in the stream and dont showed us kurdistan this was the worst stream in 8 years

[frosty oak]

Be unfathomably based

Any news come out about if and when we will see the Iranian dev diary released?

I don’t see any updates on the graveyard of empires dev schedule

[safe trail]

@frosty oak nexz week

next

[frosty oak]

Depressing

[terse viper]

these focus trees are so small

[strong sequoia]

Unite the Arab world, pursue greater Iraq or unlock the Communist Path

Iraqi democrats were as unhinged as the fascists

[pseudo mulch]

The entire Kurdish focus tree a.k.a the secret democratic Iraq path

[terse viper]

even battle for bosphorus got more content

[strong sequoia]

The fact they couldn't give Kurdistan its own tree and make it a path of Iraq is eh
And also they didn't make any Kurdish states just kept them a part of Mosul
And the KDP wasn't formed until 46

[coral drift]

Tiered formable
Only need the 1916 Arabia plan territory to form it first, then separate regional decisions to core the rest.

[terse viper]

yes, it can be seen that they have not put much effort into these focus trees

I only like Raj for now

[strong sequoia]

You're getting the option to restore Hejaz and the Hashemites and defeat the vile Saudis

The Kingdom of Hashemite Arabia

[terse viper]

and for a DLC of four countries and that only 2 of them are well cared for, I am disappointed...

[safe trail]

yeah this dlc is way to overpriced

[terse viper]

and I said 2 because I assume that Iran will be like the Raj but well, we'll see

[safe trail]

trial of allgience was mutch better content wise

[coral drift]

Should be 10$

[fresh cedar]

This doesn’t come across as very constructive and is pretty rude to the developers who went out of their way to showcase things

[terse viper]

ofc it was

[fresh cedar]

So many HOI4 customers lack tact and people skills lol

[safe trail]

i find 16 doller to mutch 10 is more relastic for sutch a expansion

[strong sequoia]

It is a countrypack it doesn't even have new mechanics

[fresh cedar]

I will reserve my judgement for once it’s out tbh

<@&846894118219022336> This person keeps mimicking me, please make it stop.

[terse viper]

when people complained about the Mughal tree in the forum, they did their best to fix it, but in this dev diary, no matter how many complaints there were about there being little content, and what little content there is, is historically wrong, they have totally ignored those comments.

[coral drift]

Yeah, sadly.

There is not even an advisor list for all three countries yet in the devdiary.

[fresh cedar]

Krasna if you’re clearly belligerent atm why even come on? Complaining about the DLC, then mimicking people who disagree. Comes across as very immature

[safe trail]

iam littler dissepoinent at the moment maybe iran will change my mind india was good but iraß and afganistan are lackluster

[fresh cedar]

This channel is for constructive adult conversations.

[rocky oasis]

Irass?

[safe trail]

iraq

[sleek portal]

Hey let's keep things civil

[coral drift]

We need a more fleshed out Communist India path. Not a funny formable that 13 years old likes.

[thick edge]

Wait I got a gif for this, gimme an hour to find it

[safe trail]

@rocky oasis Iraq

[fresh cedar]

Very curious to see more about Iran and Iraq in the days to come.

[coral drift]

Iraq is already there, no communist path.

[fresh cedar]

What I like about this more the TOA though is that each country seems to have unique goals. Every TOA path just resulted in unified South America

[fresh cedar]

We haven’t gotten every diary on it yet

[rocky oasis]

You mean the video?

[pseudo mulch]

This is outdated

[coral drift]

Bruh, it's already there since Wednesday.

[pseudo mulch]

They'll post the updated version soon

[safe trail]

outdated

[pseudo mulch]

*Soon-ish

[fresh cedar]

Right, but there was an entire other diary for Iraq

[terse viper]

you should not be satisfied with only 2 countries for that price, even modders do it better for free, and keep in mind that Iraq and Afghanistan are countries which could have been added a lot of content

[fresh cedar]

On the 24th, which logically will happen next week still

So I’m not discounting things for those countries

[terse viper]

it is simply unfair

[coral drift]

To be fair for modders, we have practically no deadline.

[rocky oasis]

I agree! Iraq should have had a bigger tree than the Soviet Union, Italy, Germany, the USA, the UK, and France combined!

[terse viper]

it has been about 4 months since the last dlc was released

[coral drift]

Whatever we got for the monthly update, we post it, no matter how small or big the update is.

[fresh cedar]

No, there was another diary planned for Iran and Iraq. Timeline seems to have shifted back further, so should get another

I’d be shocked if Iraq had absolutely no communist path tbh

[coral drift]

Different team
They have a year (from TOA release)

[safe trail]

@fresh cedar no just for iran

[coral drift]

There is already none
Have you watched the livestream???

[rocky oasis]

You misread. It is Iran that has two dev diaries.

[fresh cedar]

No, I’ve been working 😂

[strong sequoia]

Idk but years of neglecting the region, months since November and the cool stuff that Countries like Congo and Belgium got, it isn't pretty cool to see this amount of slop

Like They didn't make Erbil, kept it a part of Mosul, therefore no actual mechanic is available so they can't make not a core because Mosul is filled with Arabs, Turkmen and Assyrians

They released the entire Middle East except for Egypt, which ironically was the only independent state which was in 1922 still not released, Syria got its nominal independence in 1936 and even Kuwait was released

The focus is pretty small compared to the fact Iraq fought a whole month, Iran only fought 6 days and Afghanistan didn't fight at all, Ghazi was also pretty much Anglophobic but the Monarchist path is pro British and Ghazi is made to be an advisor too

[thick edge]

Can someone give me a TLDR

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, was a video nvm

[coral drift]

Fair enough.
It's nighttime in Indonesia.

[fresh cedar]

Feel like Iraq in particular should’ve had a communist path

Arab pan nationalism via communism

[coral drift]

Same. Thought that the Kurdish flag there is about mending relations with the Kurds

[strong sequoia]

Egypt is not released, every other country in the ME released

Iraq focus tree is small and Iraqi states too little not accurate for a Kurdish revolt

[fresh cedar]

Oh wait, so is the Kurdish path not the communist one?

[rocky oasis]

No? More democratic it seems.

[coral drift]

Sadly not.
Even the few focuses down is forming the Peshmerga

[thick edge]

Thanks

[fresh cedar]

Genuinely thought it was gonna be commie dang

[coral drift]

Same

[terse viper]

eh? Look at Argentina, Chile and Brazil for example, they have good focus trees and they are not like Germany, France, Soviets... I don't see the sense in your argument

[fresh cedar]

It’s kind of a tightrope paradox has to walk. Because they’re damned if they do or don’t with most things

[strong sequoia]

Iraqi Communists were usually Assyrian, Jewish or Mandean with a little Shias
Kurdistan isn't communist, the Devs are copying post-WWII Kurdistan politics which became Socialist so the Soviets support them but Kurds in the 1930s were pro German and tribal

[rocky oasis]

In terms of size obviously! It should be bigger than all major focus trees combined!

[fresh cedar]

If they have commie, people will be like “Wow paradox checking all boxes again, cookie cutter” but if they don’t people miss it

[rocky oasis]

Kind of like how people now want the Silk Road Empire lol.

[fresh cedar]

I’d definitely always side with more diversity than less

[terse viper]

I'll pretend not to see your comments

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

They can never appease everyone

I can say I’m pretty happy with the paths that I have seen so far

[rocky oasis]

Am I being unreasonable in wanting a reasonably sized Iraqi tree?

[pseudo mulch]

Nope

Altohugh it seems like it has some communist-ish stuff

[terse viper]

maybe check this comment again
eh? Look at Argentina, Chile and Brazil for example, they have good focus trees and they are not like Germany, France, Soviets... I don't see the sense in your argument

[pseudo mulch]

I see a red banner there

[fresh cedar]

That Lowkey seems communist

Is that like the “hidden” tree?

[tribal bridge]

"It's not small, it's reasonably sized for the time!"

[safe trail]

nah its not worth 16,99

[fresh cedar]

To me it is but that’s because I really like HOI4 and buy every dlc and have since it came out

[pseudo mulch]

Yeah

[rocky oasis]

I can’t really complain about the price because I got the expansion pass.

[safe trail]

me too

[pseudo mulch]

Me three

[safe trail]

but you pay forr all content still

[fresh cedar]

Seems pretty communist with females in the military, Soviet aid, nationalizing oil

[pseudo mulch]

tbh Gotterdamerung is doing all the heavy lifting in that pass

[fresh cedar]

But I would’ve prefer a broader United middleast commie path

[digital pumice]

i mean do you blame him

[rocky oasis]

I got it because I wanted Ride of the Valkyries.

[fresh cedar]

I blame his methods of communication, not his feelings

[safe trail]

@rocky oasis i wanted all content but now iam little bit dissepointet

[digital pumice]

his message was pretty clear, but you do you ig

[fresh cedar]

I mean it’s valid to think something sucks. But helps a lot to specify why

[pseudo mulch]

@strong sequoia was the KDP communist or communist leaning when it was formed?

[rocky oasis]

I mostly care about Iran tbh.

[safe trail]

iran and ray

rai

india

[rocky oasis]

Ah yes, the British Ray.

[safe trail]

@rocky oasis yeah india

[rocky oasis]

The misspelling has me imagining a stingray with a top hat and monocle lol.

[strong sequoia]

Kinda Democratic Socialist but it was mostly set up to please the Soviets and advance the Kurdish cause

Most of its founders were Tribal Leaders

[safe trail]

@rocky oasis hhahahhaha

[strong sequoia]

and Aristocrats

[coral drift]

No Netaji allying with Italy/Germany or the Soviets and embracing their ideologies
No explicit political remodeling in the pro-Soviet choice (would not even call it a path) and no information about Indian communist leaders/advisors
No Sitaramayya or Periyar leading the Dravidans rebelling against Savarkar
• Confusing "tax bracket" thingy and playing a whole industrial instead of political game (i understand that we can't insta-conquer, but come on)
• No fleshed out communism-spreading path, whether it's with the Soviets/other communist major (and no substantial "Join a communist major" path there), or making your own faction and not getting in each other's way. And alternate Indian communist leaders too
•Even we didn't get a list of Indian advisors for now

[fresh cedar]

I’m most interested in Iraq or was. The idea of uniting the middleast is very appealing to me

[rocky oasis]

Netaji can ally with the Co-Prosperity Sphere.

[strong sequoia]

No it is a main path for Iraq, alongside the National Brotherhood and the Hashemites

[strong sequoia]

Play Shadows of Babylon mod

[fresh cedar]

Wonder what the hidden path or leader will be in this dlc, if any

[rocky oasis]

Darius IV (Hitler in disguise) as leader of Persia is my bet.

[strong sequoia]

Probably a Hitler in Iran or Iraq

[fresh cedar]

Imagine it’s actually Stalin in Iraq

[strong sequoia]

Toothbrush mustaches were the fashion in Iraq since the late 19th century

[fresh cedar]

Stalin is another leader starting to be an exile meme

So you never know

[rocky oasis]

I can see Stalin being a potential leader of a communist CSA, because he is from Georgia.

[pseudo mulch]

People on Reddit are starting to worry about the Turkish players pulling a China and go insane over the Kurdish path

[safe trail]

what is a liitle funny is paraodx triggered china and now turkey with the kurds hahaha

[solid gyro]

Time to give more fuel to a already burning fire now shall we?

[rocky oasis]

Probably the reason they didn’t show it off in the dev diary.

[bright spade]

There is a very high likelihood for that.

[rocky oasis]

Oh well.

[bright spade]

I would even argue there is a chance for Iranians to get upset as well depending on how they do the Iranian focus tree

[rocky oasis]

Nothing to do now.

Well, there is one thing.

[bright spade]

Mainly regarding on how they decide to portray reza khan pahlavi

[rocky oasis]

GET OUT THE POPCORN BOYS!

[bright spade]

🍿

[pseudo mulch]

Is he a divisive figure in Iran?

[solid gyro]

Ig we will see on how the iranians react to it once its time there is a 50/50 chance that either they love it or the internet explodes with bad reviews etc

[pseudo mulch]

I understand his son being one

[rocky oasis]

The son is divisive. The father, not really from what I understand.

[bright spade]

His son is more controversial yes but no he him self is quite loved by most people

[rocky oasis]

Reza Shah modernized Iran.

[bright spade]

He was rough around the edges sometimes but overall a good leader and person I would argue

[bright spade]

Yep

Ended feudalism

[pseudo mulch]

Huh

[safe trail]

his son is aso great

[bright spade]

Agreed but we can't deny that there is unfortunately quite alot of people who disagree with that

[pseudo mulch]

I do know that, in full Iranian fashion, he established his own dynasty by couping the ruling Shah

A tradition unbroken since the rise of the Achaemenids

[safe trail]

@bright spade he lost americas favour this was his mistake

[quiet verge]

In the Iranian opposition path. Do you guys think we will get a Shia Islamist path which will "spread revolution" to Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon?

[rocky oasis]

Judging by the fact that the merch is a platypus Reza Shah, the art is of him, and the trailer is focused on Iran led by him… I would say that there isn’t much to worry about on that front.

[bright spade]

I would be really surprised if we don't

[quiet verge]

Me too

[bright spade]

Agreed so far it looks good but we still have to wait and see for the focuses in game

[quiet verge]

Pdx should add the Uyghur Empire 🧌

[bright spade]

I'm more interested in what they are gonna do for the fascist and communist path

[pseudo mulch]

Yeah

[bright spade]

Since im guessing every ideology is gonna have 1 path

[pseudo mulch]

With the possibility of Khomenni showing up at some point

[bright spade]

No it's not gonna be him if they do an islamist path

[quiet verge]

I guess they would add that Nazi guy as leader of Fascist Iran

Forgot the name

[pseudo mulch]

The theocracy is probably gonna be the fascist path

[rocky oasis]

It won’t be him. He wouldn’t be prominent enough.

[pseudo mulch]

I know he's not gonna be the leader but they might add him as an easter egg or smth

[bright spade]

probably but they could also go with the pan Iranist

[quiet verge]

I am guessing Theocratic Iran would be the non aligned path

[terse viper]

why? he was born on 1902

[pseudo mulch]

Give them two fascist paths, problem solved

[bright spade]

Yes but he wasn't relevent yet

There were bigger and more important islamists figure in that time

[bright spade]

give 99 paths to Iran/s

[quiet verge]

Sumka gonna lead the Iranian fascist path for sure

[pseudo mulch]

One monarchist path per dynasty that has ruled Iran

[bright spade]

Sumka or islamists (hopefully both since Imo they would both make for fun paths)

[quiet verge]

They would have to add both. But I wonder if they will give Islamists Fascist tag or Non Aligned

[bright spade]

secret Cossack path as well since reza khan was a cossack

[quiet verge]

Qajar restoration path

[bright spade]

🤢

-99% stability

[quiet verge]

They would add it I guess

Also Communists might get named Tudeh Party

[bright spade]

Yeah probably

[quiet verge]

Does anyone play Hoi4 as Democratic?

[bright spade]

They could also go with a restored jungle movement

[rocky oasis]

Achievement idea - The True Cossack King: As Iran led by Reza Shah, defeat Poland led by Pavel Bermondt-Avalov.

[bright spade]

yes me

[quiet verge]

Based

[bright spade]

Mainly in kaiserreich though

[quiet verge]

So possible paths for Iran
-Monarchy (Pahlavi)
-Democratic
-Communists (Tudeh)
-Fascist (Sumka)
-Islamists (Non Aligned or Fascist)
-Monarchist (Qajar, Non Aligned)

[bright spade]

It's alot more possible paths then this but realistically I think they will only do 4 (maybe 5)

For example democratic can be either monarchist or republican

[rocky oasis]

I thought this was some sort of national spirit meant to represent the various ethnic groups in the Iraqi military or something being framed as a family for some reason. I only now realize that it is the 4 members of the Golden Square inside a Golden Square lol.

[thick edge]

lol

[quiet verge]

Pdx should've added Monarchism as a separate ideology instead of being Non Aligned

Cold war ahhh ideology logic

[bright spade]

also Imo a qajar path wouldn't make that much sense

Both from a gameplay perspective and history

[quiet verge]

It doesn't but I have a feeling they will add it nonetheless

[rocky oasis]

We should pretend as if the Iran dev diary has already come out.

[pseudo mulch]

But it'd be cool tho

[bright spade]

Why though?

[quiet verge]

They might make Mosaddegh leader of Democratic Iran

[bright spade]

Like wouldn't the pahlavi monarchy (gameplay wise) be the same thing?

[quiet verge]

Qajar got the larp material

[thick edge]

I’m pretending it got removed

[bright spade]

they probably would do this (even though Im highly against this idea)

[pseudo mulch]

Man it's crazy how they added a focus to resurrect Xerxes and nuke Athens

[quiet verge]

Same

[pseudo mulch]

RP

[bright spade]

fair enough

you should have permanent 0 stability as qajars though like the spanish anarchists/s

[rocky oasis]

It’s historically accurate! Did you not watch the documentary by Zach Snyder, 300?

[quiet verge]

They better use the Jungle Movement's flag for Commie Iran instead of making up one (that might not look good)

(RF reference)

[pseudo mulch]

Nah man I only read the novels (the comic book)

[bright spade]

how much are you gonna bet that there is gonna be an achievement called "this is persia"

[rocky oasis]

I bet your life on it.

[pseudo mulch]

tbf a nuke wouldn't make a lot more damage than what Xerxes did to the city

[bright spade]

I just hope that the Persian empire formable that they will 100% do has the option to be called something else

[rocky oasis]

Like?

[bright spade]

Like the more accurate naming of eranshahr

[pseudo mulch]

So like EU4?

[bright spade]

Or just keep it as Iranian empire or something along those lines

[bright spade]

Yep exactly

[quiet verge]

How many releasable will there be within Iran

[bright spade]

no clue

[quiet verge]

They better no Sovietify it

[bright spade]

right now in game kurdistan and azarbaijan already have cores on some iranian states

[quiet verge]

Kurdistan, Khuzestan, Azerbajian, Baluchistan

Hopefully nothing more

[bright spade]

But im guessing they are gonna do more stuff like maybe an independent arabistan releasable

[strong sequoia]

Well in Iraq they were known as the Four Colonels, the British had to give them a nickname

[rocky oasis]

Part of the Iran focus tree from the steam page.

[quiet verge]

So what do you guys think the next expansion would be about?

[bright spade]

yeah saw this you can even see the persian empire larp on the left side

[bright spade]

tanna tuva

[quiet verge]

I am guessing East Asia (Japan)

[quiet verge]

Darius

[rocky oasis]

Japan and SEA

[quiet verge]

Secure French West Asia

[rocky oasis]

It literally says Cambyses.

[quiet verge]

My bad

[bright spade]

Yeah not darius

[quiet verge]

Last focus on that part looks like something about supporting Egyptian revolutionaries

[bright spade]

Yeah probably a war goal or a deal to get syria from france

[bright spade]

I think its just straight up conquering it

It seems to be a full persian empire larp

[drifting star]

I don’t like that the king is just an advisor now

[pseudo mulch]

You mean for Aghanistan?

[drifting star]

Both

[strong sequoia]

Iraq has this too

[quiet verge]

They wouldn't put images of guns in the focus if it was about conquering I assume

[drifting star]

Also the democraticly elected leader becomes caliph in Iraq path 😦

[pseudo mulch]

I don't know much about the politics of neither of those countries, but if the Prime Minister held the executive power and the King didn't have absolute control over the government, I think it's better this way

[rocky oasis]

I assume there is a way for them to actually get the big portrait spot.

[bright spade]

Yeah but the persian empire formable needs egypt so don't think its a puppet egypt

[drifting star]

I don’t think so since the dev diary has the PM as caliph

[quiet verge]

The Kharijites wet dream

[pseudo mulch]

Probably an oversight

[drifting star]

Which you would think would belong to ghazi for the Hashemite caliphate

[drifting star]

Hopefully

[pseudo mulch]

The Caliphal path probably has the King abolishing the Parliament or smth like that and installing a Royal Dictatorship

[quiet verge]

Maybe similar to the Ethiopian United Africa path. Make them rebel and annex later

[drifting star]

But democratic caliphate would be less schizo then sword of Islam

[pseudo mulch]

Monarchism 101

[rocky oasis]

I mean, that is because he is the starting leader.

[bright spade]

Maybe

[quiet verge]

Wonder if having a Hashemites caliph affects Ottoman Sultan Restoration path

[pseudo mulch]

Let's be honest, it won't

[quiet verge]

Or making Jordan's king the Caliph (in future)

[bright spade]

Fascist Iran should have a path about being true aryans and makes them gain a wargoal on Germany.

[drifting star]

Your right

[bright spade]

give it to monarchist Iran as well

[quiet verge]

"Home of the Aryans"

[drifting star]

It sounds like his son has to be in power

[bright spade]

damn those are some juicy buffs

[drifting star]

Maybe secret leader since at the time most accepted the ottomans to have more legitimacy

[bright spade]

Interesting that it's an unaligned path

[drifting star]

Well he is a monarch

[bright spade]

True it does make more sense

[rocky oasis]

Abd al-Ilah would be the Prince Regent for Faisal II.

So, essentially Iraqi Prince Paul.

[drifting star]

Very cool

Wonder if taking Spain will give a new name ?

I’m hoping the ummayad

[pseudo mulch]

Prime achievement material right there

[bright spade]

Yeah it would be a fun achievement

[pseudo mulch]

That wouldn't make sense since 'Umayyad' was the name of the dynasty

[bright spade]

cough cough silk road

[pseudo mulch]

You're right

Hashemite Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba here we go

[bright spade]

I'm shocked they gave a Timurids formable to India

Poor Afghanistan has no formable that are interesting

thought at least they would have the mughals but that was given to India as well

[pseudo mulch]

It makes sense for both the Mughals and the Timurids to be formable by India since both Empires were formed by Timur and his descendants

I do agree that Afghanistan should've gotten another formable other than Pashtunistan

btw, does anyone know if Pashtunistan is based on anything historical?

[rocky oasis]

They have only shown off one formable for Afghanistan.

[bright spade]

Oh wait really? I thought they showed all the content

There was also the central Asia formable

[strong sequoia]

It is a fairly new concept

[bright spade]

It's also a bit odd since not all afghans are pashto

[pseudo mulch]

Oh so they didn't make it up?

That's neat

[pseudo mulch]

Yeah Afghanistan has like 12 different ethnicities

[rocky oasis]

“Depending on choices made throughout this path, the establishment of a republic can allow Afghanistan to gain cores on more territory or transform into a new nation such as Pashtunistan.” The wording implies that there are more options than Pashtunistan.

[strong sequoia]

Well Abdulilah was a British puppet and wasn't a Nazi sympthizer

[bright spade]

Yeah they showed the central asia formable as well in the dev diary

So think its only those two

[rocky oasis]

Okay, Prince Paul was a bad knockoff of him.

[bright spade]

Yeah but the name afghanistan makes more sense since it encompasses those ethnicities

While pashtonistan discards the others

[rocky oasis]

Well that explains aligning with the British then.

[rocky oasis]

Central Asian farmable was for Communist Afghanistan.

[bright spade]

Yeah

[strong sequoia]

Nah King Ghazi was pretty much an Anglophobe and Abdulilah was snuck into Ghazi's will as regent by his sister Queen Aliyah

Ghazi's choice was his uncle Zeid, he was still bitter from the British betrayed in WWI

[pseudo mulch]

You're right, the wording does make it seem like there will be more formables

[bright spade]

hmm yeah now that I look more at it seems like there will be more options as well

wonder what though

[rocky oasis]

No, I was saying that because the monarchist path involves the Prince Regent who is pro-British, it explains why the path is more pro-British.

[rocky oasis]

I’d bet Connorus’s life it involves Sinkiang.

[pseudo mulch]

Come again?

Sorry I said something that sounded exceedingly Bri*ish

[rocky oasis]

You see, it is much easier to bet other people’s lives than it is to bet your own.

[pseudo mulch]

Smart

[bright spade]

a win-win scenario

[rocky oasis]

I wonder if any new scientists are being added.

[pseudo mulch]

There's a whole new great project or however it's called for Iraq, so I wouldn't rule it out

[rocky oasis]

New Special Project? What is it?

[fresh cedar]

Nuclear oil fields, sub terranean nuclear detonation that’s carried out like a strike and deletes an oil source and damages a state for 2 years

Meant for end game resource attacks ig

[drifting star]

Wonder what the savior of the holy lands focus does for Afghanistan

If it has a formable that would be cool

[safe trail]

kuwait israel jordan syria lebanon

[rocky oasis]

Wait, really?

[rocky oasis]

I think they said that there are some leaders for these new generic minors. Same thing for Burma.

I was also correct in my guess that these places being independent probably had something to do with Iraq. At least Transjordan anyways.

[safe trail]

they have uniqe lleaders

[rocky oasis]

In the dev responses I in one of the dev diaries they talked about there being some unique leaders.

I forget which one.

[floral anvil]

Please god, I hope there are no Israelites feeling offended by the new palestine

I think Paradox had a pretty good solution by just giving a core to both palestine and isreal

... and occupied by the UK

[warped prairie]

I'm sure it'll be nothing compared to what the Chinese are doing right now on the forums and reviews lol

[floral anvil]

true

[rocky oasis]

I mean, that was just what it was called at the time.

[rocky oasis]

That was just what happened at the end of the First World War. Ottoman Empire fell and the various people in the region wanted their own nations. The France and the UK used this opportunity to basically use the League of Nations these places to be added to their colonial empire under the guise of helping them stand up until they were able to stand on their own.

[thick edge]

Helping them stand up wink wink

[strong sequoia]

They should add Abdul Jabar Abdullah for Iraq
The man was a physicist who studied under Einstein

[polar jasper]

Get the Crayola boys, we are making new countries

[strong sequoia]

They added that Gun but forgot to add the Akkad Tank and the Rafidain Reactor both were projects prior to 1956
The Babylon Gun was developed in the 1980s by a Canadian who is child in 1936

[rocky oasis]

If anybody else has better knowledge of the mandate system, they can correct me if I got anything wrong. My description was meant more as a broad generalization of what happened.

[rocky oasis]

Would the Rafidain Reactor meaningfully differ from the already existing nuclear reactor special project in terms of what it would do in-game?

[rocky oasis]

You’ve never heard of child prodigies? /j

[safe trail]

Israel will have a core on palestine

[strong sequoia]

I mean it is Iraq's original US backed nuclear program which started in the 1950s, disconnected following the 1958 coup and given to Iran
Funnily the Reactor parts and Uranium landed in Iraq a day before the 14th July coup
Before that only a nuclear Library and Lab were given

[polar jasper]

Like it already does in game?

They both have cores on the same state

[safe trail]

Now it just israel

[polar jasper]

Palestine doesn't have a core on itself? I doubt that

The mandate probably has a core and then when the tags split, they will also have cores

[rocky oasis]

So, it would basically be the already existing nuclear reactor special project then?

[strong sequoia]

Yes

[rocky oasis]

What is the Akkad tank, btw?

[strong sequoia]

It was a Tank developed during WWII in Iraq but never really made it to mass production as it was too big and too expensive

[rocky oasis]

What did it look like?

[safe trail]

@polar jasper

there

from dev dairy replay

and iam loving it

[polar jasper]

Claims

Palestine mandate probably turns into palestine

[rocky oasis]

They need to free Egypt

[strong sequoia]

Well I saw the only photo in a military history book a couple months ago but the design looked like an Italian Carro Armato a tank that Iraq imported prior to 1941

[rocky oasis]

The only reason they haven’t now is because is because they definitely have plans for Egyptian content.

[safe trail]

Maybe

[strong sequoia]

Palestine, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon and Syria but no Egypt like lol

[rocky oasis]

I’d bet Ahmed’s life that I am right about this

[safe trail]

@strong sequoia maybe later

[rocky oasis]

(Don’t worry, I bet someone else’s life on the other Afghanistan formables)

[safe trail]

@strong sequoia i wisched that Saudi arabia oman and Jemen got aso a focus tree

[strong sequoia]

Anyway did anyone try the Shadows of Babylon mod

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3323370454

[rocky oasis]

I might try it out later. I have other things to do right now though.

[strong sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVL4oE82sx4

[rocky oasis]

Seems interesting from the screenshots.

[quick sleet]

Thats ok thats British mandate of the land its not arab nation

[fresh cedar]

Nope, I made that up

[thick edge]

I hope u can’t fall asleep tn

[floral anvil]

My theory:

1. Expansion Pass 2: Japan rework Expansion + Country Pack in Asia

2. Man the Guns will become part of the main game

3. Expansion Pass 3: USA rework Expansion + Country Pack in Central America

4. Expansion Pass 4: UK rework Expansion + Country Pack with Egypt

5. End of development of HoI4

[fresh cedar]

Sorry 😂

[sleek portal]

5 is nightmare fuel

[floral anvil]

This nightmare must come to an end one day 💀

World War II has lived rent free in my head since 2016

[fresh cedar]

EUIV got updates for like 50 years

[fresh cedar]

Never tried, idk why but I don’t really do mods anymore

Mostly vanilla

[polar jasper]

The main thing I want to see changed in hoi4 is resource stockpiling and a trade rework

You agree to trade with a country for a certain amount of time and it costs something to cancel it early

[fresh cedar]

Kinda just focuses on region and no content.

[polar jasper]

And you can strong arm some countries to get resources

At least with a Southeast Asia rework, it would make sense to have the resource war be a priority since rubber islands and the war was waged so Japan could get resources.

[bright spade]

For me I would say limited wars and conditional peace deals

[tacit sequoia]

1. Kamakaize reworks and raids. China rework or SEA rework.

2. Potential naval or truck/motorized rework?

3. British Parliament, Commonwealth, Naval Treaty Rework? (it aint even worth it to keep it in game because they don't do much with it anyway)

4. nah you forget france, and little entente and more parts of the world.

[polar jasper]

Naval treaty is there to nerf countries

That is the point

I don't see a need for a truck/motorized rework

[tacit sequoia]

yeah but its either you limit, or you let them put an invisible wargoal 🤔

[polar jasper]

Navy is fine for the most part

[polar jasper]

Okay, and

That's the point

Follow the treaty or get it enforced

And it isn't invisible

It warns you that they will take action

[rocky oasis]

Iraq having a special project is made up or what you said the special project is what was made up?

[tacit sequoia]

yeah but theres never a wargoal after they warn you

unless that's a me issue

[polar jasper]

You. They sometimes go "oh well"

Other times they get it and instant declare

[tacit sequoia]

weird

[polar jasper]

That is how you remove great depression as usa in 1936

Is to remove naval treaty and go to war

[tacit sequoia]

yeah when i do that it never does that.

idk if thats just a me issue, because eachtime i get out of the naval treaties it just never declares war

nor gives a wargoal (even did a german conquest with the ol invade yugoslavia treatment, didn't work also)

[fresh cedar]

I was just replying to you talking about special projects tbh with a made up project

[solid gyro]

I wish the devs could figure how to work in “its not a boulder it’s Iraq” into the list of achievements

[keen ferry]

what's the most right path of the iraq's focus tree

something with kurdistan

[drifting star]

Or how about “rehash” restore the Hashemite dynasty to Syria and rebuild the Islamic caliphate

[quick sleet]

The best path

[fading walrus]

@bright spade GOATED pfp

like fr

that game was my childhood

[tired acorn]

As far as i know, now Palestine is claim of Israel

remember seeing it in a DD or something

[fading walrus]

I'm glad that there are other Lego SWTCS fans

like me

[drifting star]

Insha Allah

[tired acorn]

I think the next DLC/update will optimize the game because on today's stream the game was ultra fast

[quick sleet]

Maybe they use ryzen 7 9800x3d

[coral drift]

They make PAL tag exist as British puppet instead of ISR

[bright spade]

Roger roger

[fresh cedar]

The stream was kinda all over the place and a little hard to follow. Might rewatch to see what’s up

Probably just my ADHD idk

[outer whale]

I want to see a diplomacy rework

[drifting star]

Can you imagine an Israel Palestine dlc

Every 3 day a skirmish

[outer whale]

I am tired off UK doing,
"Wait ur not democract but being invaded by germany?"

"nah pal u are on your own."

[drifting star]

And every focus starts another war

And no territorial changes

[outer whale]

kicks and invites back for 1000th times

[drifting star]

What do all the Turkish people think of the Kurdish path ?

[hard mango]

I'm proud that another Muslim is here

Are you arab?

[drifting star]

No

[hard mango]

K

[rocky oasis]

@pseudo mulch Do we know what the special project is?

[quick sleet]

Im jew but i like the idea of islamic caliphate as iraq in the game

[summer rivet]

Real

And a war goal and claims and coring rework

[summer rivet]

How about a Zoroastrian Iran?

[fading walrus]

as an atheist

it feels out of place

in the hoi4 timeline

I can see the Calphiate path though

[floral anvil]

Why is no one talking bout Costa Rica focus tree 😩

[fading walrus]

KX?

play that

[drifting star]

There should be a modifier for Hashemite to deal with support for abdulbecid II

[floral anvil]

Boo I want vanilla

[drifting star]

Since he had a lot of support still even then

[fading walrus]

okay Total War Attila Arcadius

Costa Rica isn't coming

for a while

or if ever

[floral anvil]

You are breaking my heart

Without Costa Rica World War II wouldn’t have been the same

[drifting star]

Ur leaving out Honduras

Honestly better than the finno Korean hyper war

[floral anvil]

Maybe Central America will never be touched by the devs

I think we will get Japan rework after graveyard of empire

But after that I don’t see any region clearly getting a touch up

Maybe Oceania 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant remnant]

hear me out

an event in iran to sell or not sell wojtek

as it was bought in iran by poles

[hollow coral]

You cannot stop a cannon event

[polar jasper]

I thought he was just found

[hollow coral]

Something something about a boy selling it to some polish soldiers

[polar jasper]

Well you are the government and not a small child

[hollow coral]

Thats what i was thinking

[polar jasper]

Who cares, let's get wojtek as shah

[hollow coral]

Love how they completely forgot about iran

[drifting star]

Wonder how the Iran path will be ?

[fresh cedar]

They need to fix it so there’s like a 1-3 year delay on kicking

UK will legit do it monthly

[drifting star]

Masters should be able to direct puppets

[fresh cedar]

Wdym

[drifting star]

Example tell them via a menu to focus on production of certain equipment or making units

Or to defend masters poets

[fresh cedar]

So that’s great in theory, but in reality would create an insane amount of AI calculations and slow the game down by a lot

[drifting star]

*ports

[drifting star]

R56 has something similar

[fresh cedar]

AI tends to shuffle things far too often and would create bad lag

I wouldn’t say R56 is particularly optimized

Great idea though, would be nice to give more direction

[quick sleet]

Too old

[drifting star]

Wonder what max votes of Iraq will be

Will they be able to core Iran and Afghanistan ?

[quick sleet]

Maybe

All the Muslim world maybe

[strong sequoia]

The Hashemites were Secular and the idea of a Caliphate was symbolic rather than actual

[drifting star]

There should be an option to restart the Cairo conference

And elect a new caliph

Wouldn’t it be cool if the inner circle mechanic was added

[drifting star]

Source ?

[native echo]

Do we have information on Afghainstan/Iraq formables?

[hollow coral]

Read the dev diaries

[native echo]

I did, it just shows two of them. I was talking more about this part of the branch, unless it was posted somewhere

[hollow coral]

Probably something with the persian empire

[native echo]

Hopefully something with the Durrani empire, would be interesting. Maybe something with Khorasan too, especially considering that the Raj gets both the Mughals and Timurid formables

Either way I'm happy that they actually are making a dlc for these countries in the first place, it's pretty awesome

[hollow coral]

Durrani empire would be awesome

Just because the smexy borders

[drifting star]

I feel like the from the ashes thing might have something to do with it

[native echo]

Maybe, I think thats the turkish flag right

?

[drifting star]

The fact that it mentions turkey in the image prolly means it’s a reference to a war between the two

Hotak dynasty?

[native echo]

How does that work though, because shouldn't the player have to go through Iran first, then turkey

Because topple Iran comes after, also to get to baghdad, you would also need to invade them, which is why I'm wondering what "Exploit Turko-Persian Heritage" is

[drifting star]

Sahbahed pact ?

Paradox must be cooking something

[native echo]

It seems to have to do something with that, hopefully more clarification comes

Hopefully they cook with this, otherwise back to KaiserRedux for me lol

[drifting star]

It be funny if it was a KR like path ie afgan Ottoman Empire

[native echo]

Cursed path. Might be a hot take, but I feel like afg should have gotten the timurids as a formable instead of the Raj, considering the sizeable uzbek population there... (maybe even the Mughals too, but I don't want to take too much fun out the Raj)

[drifting star]

Me too or the Seljuks would have been cool

[native echo]

Looks like somebody asked something similar in the forums

[drifting star]

The Barakzai claim to be from a lost Israelite tribe 💀 so maybe kingdom of judea

It was in honor of their ancestor Prince Afghana of Israel, whom some Muslims venerate as a Saint that the first Barakzai King Sultan Mohammed Khan and his brother Dost Mohammed Khan named their Kingdom "Afghanistan",

This makes more sense than Silk Road

[native echo]

Silk Road Empire is funny lol

More info coming on Feb 24, hopefully devs will consider some of the feedback. I know that Iran/Raj are the focus, but the dlc is called Graveyard of Empires. I'm sure the paths will be elaborated on in more detail

Another interesting thought, this is pretty much in every mod that has a tree in Afghanistan, is more of a focus on dealing with different ethnic groups. Didn't really see anything on the tree, even though this is integral to country

[hollow coral]

Also it looks like iraq will have a kurdish path so i wonder if iran will get something similiar too

[drifting star]

Hope not that would be such a waste

I’m sure that Iran will have a massive focus tree

Prolly comparable to India or Germany

[drifting star]

I don’t like the whole faction management stuff it’s a pain in the ass

[native echo]

I agree, I feel that it should just be acknowledged through a focus or two though. Just feels weird that they skipped over it completely

[drifting star]

How many focuses will Iran have hopefully comparable to Germany in number

[hollow coral]

We havent seen the tree yet

[drifting star]

I know it’s fun to guess

Iran tree with more focuses than USA and UK

I say 200 focuses

For each path

[rocky oasis]

“This enables Afghanistan to move towards parliamentary democracy, or even a republic. Depending on choices made throughout this path, the establishment of a republic can allow Afghanistan to gain cores on more territory or transform into a new nation such as Pashtunistan.” This was in the dev diary.

By my reading it has to do with embracing a certain cultural identity.

[drifting star]

That’s what it seems like wonder if their is a democrat Islamist path