latest-updates

[cobalt jay]

Once you get 100% compliance you switch to this eco law and assuming you have good stability and low resistance, you will never lose compliance and since local resources/factories stacks on top of the factories and resources gained from compliance, you end up with like 200% factories and resources in the Princely States if you don't core them

[modest lichen]

An advanced feudal system.

[fresh cedar]

At the end of the day I’ll always try to get every core I can

[wise oxide]

but this is only for princley states so you cant get that on other land

hoi 4 team do ve get raj vid with afghanistan and iraq today?

[safe trail]

I hope so

[dense gale]

why bother getting compliance

immediately but it on subjugation

this is essentially harsh quota on steroids

and compliance gain slows down a lot the higher u go

and a diff of 40% to 100% compliance is only 40% diff in factory count

[thick edge]

20 minutes 🤑

[pseudo mulch]

Where DD

The Paradox players yearn for the DD

[frosty oak]

I’m glad I’m not the only freak who thought “I wonder when the new dev diary is coming out this morning”

[drifting star]

Lol

[pseudo mulch]

They always come out around 3 PM CET in Spain

[thick edge]

It’s just a minute

[drifting star]

Wrong meme

[pseudo mulch]

Oh boy I can't wait for the neo-Sumerian althist path for Iraq

[drifting star]

How do I delete

Mb nvm

[pseudo mulch]

Nah it fits

[frosty oak]

I thought I’d be getting the Iran tree reveal today but I realize it’s actually just Iraq and Afghanistan I mean, it’s not actually the end of the world, I’m excited for those, but mega hype for Iran

[drifting star]

Maybe they forgot

Or no diary today cuz of China still

[frosty oak]

China?

[drifting star]

U know

[pseudo mulch]

They're not delaying a DD because of China

[frosty oak]

I do?

[pseudo mulch]

Unless ofc Iraq and Afghanistan also have cursed and unplausible formables that can also get cores in China

[frosty oak]

Oh, cause people were upset over Tibet?

[drifting star]

When it comes ping me

[crisp rivet]

Knowing my luck, the DD will post when my class begins. Then my internet will not into connect

[drifting star]

Prolly

[rocky oasis]

I think India would have gone over better if you were allowed to form Byzantium as it. /j

[frosty oak]

Honestly, I just await, in 2 years we will probs get a new Chinese dlc where we can core half of Eurasia by combining the preexisting Sinkiang Turkestan formable with a reworked Chinese unification tree that allows us to core Mongolia, Tibet, Tuva, outer Manchuria, etc

[safe trail]

Where dev diary

[frosty oak]

(Based)

[safe trail]

Wtf is wrong

Sinne india nothing happens

[rocky oasis]

Trust the plan. The devs endure. Peter Nicholson lives.

[visual wraith]

watch afganistan get Greco-Bactria formable

[safe trail]

Since

[buoyant ore]

least paitent person

[daring forge]

Could also be a bit delayed for completely unrelated reasons (fixing images or whatever) so I’d just wait a bit

[frosty oak]

That sounds awesome lmao

That’s like if Mexico could form the Spanish empire lol

Sounds so funny

[mossy mauve]

The dev diary was the only thing I was looking forward to

Day ruined

[rocky oasis]

I wonder why.

[thick edge]

Maybe not

We got scammed

[frosty oak]

Is it me, or do players seem to get unreasonably angry over these country packs, like honestly they are lowkey my favorite just cause I want more life in the game

I don’t at this point need a new system (tho I did love the experimental weapons stuff cause that’s just late game goofy fun)

[ruby wing]

they are too expensive for things they add

[frosty oak]

Huh, my message got blocked for some reason, that’s weird

I didn’t even say a curse word or anything

[ruby wing]

dm me on pv if you want

[pseudo wing]

its the s word u used

is in the filter

because people use it as an insult

[frosty oak]

Oooh, that’s funny lol

[rocky oasis]

Now I am curious what word it is.

Spendthrift?

[wise oxide]

delayed again😭 ?

[floral anvil]

Dev diary when

[rocky oasis]

Soon™️

[frosty oak]

I was just gonna say, I feel like I’ve gotten more than my moneys worth out of not just the country packs, but all the e money I’ve spent over the last 7 years of playtime to justify the messily $15 these country packs cost

[fresh cedar]

Every time we curse the dev diary is pushed back

[frosty oak]

Except that is, the fact Turkey still joins the allies way to early

I hate that

[pseudo wing]

Unfortunately, yes, but it shouldn't be too too long I think

It is not today, however

[visual wraith]

bruh

[lethal folio]

It's hoiover

[wise oxide]

what is even going on if i can ask?

[visual wraith]

had to emergency patch iraq's cores on shanghai

[floral anvil]

Gravyard of Dev Dairies

[cosmic falcon]

What is with all of these delays?

[rocky oasis]

Presumably the reworking of India content

[safe trail]

Why scared of china

[pseudo wing]

Well, without going into full detail, myself and other devs have been receiving death threats, so we are dealing with that first and foremost

[frosty oak]

wtf

[safe trail]

China

Wtf

[thick edge]

Hm

[cosmic falcon]

What about China?

[thick edge]

Oh

Nvm

[frosty oak]

Dang, well chak, if that’s true, yall take your time please

I’m not capable of making these dlc and games myself, and waiting on the next owb mod update is sad

[safe trail]

Can you please better communicate with us

[thick edge]

I can after I get ur credit card number, both sides, and the 3 funny numbers

Trust

[safe trail]

I dont trust mr stalin

[thick edge]

Why not

[cosmic falcon]

What's going on with China and HOI4?

[safe trail]

But if you get threads this is more serious

[cold reef]

It appears Chinese players are mad about India getting cores on Tibet while China currently can't

[tacit sequoia]

yeah.....

they made a mod on it that i will not mention how it ends 💀

[cold reef]

Come on china your rework will be here some years later

[marble plaza]

Any possibility that Country Pack will be also delayed?

[tacit sequoia]

should be next countrypack after japanese dlc releases

or hoi4 will change their mind and make it a china based dlc, idk..

[cold reef]

At least your national focus does not spend 70 days just to lay down railways

still the Silk Road Empire thing is kind of dumb

[tacit sequoia]

accurate britain

[cosmic falcon]

Why not share some screenshots of the Afganistan and Iraq focus tree on here?

[coral drift]

I do think that everyone needs to be properly organized and communicated.

The Chinese community needs too, like us Southeast Asians did.

[pure nexus]

Great idea!

[drifting star]

I agree

[pure nexus]

I'm so hyped, I can't w8 to see Afghanistan. I bet king Amanullah path will be the best!

[cold reef]

pretty sure Afghan also had routes regarding Tibet as cores

[drifting star]

That’s prolly the reason

[cosmic falcon]

Regardless it's very immature to send death threats to the devs over a video game.

[wise oxide]

its so dumb too bc if they are dead the dlc wont come its crazy how ungrateful they are

[drifting star]

They don’t know what those words mean

Will all dev diaries be delayed

[pseudo mulch]

Fricking Chinese bots

[wise oxide]

just post the diary unoffically on reddit or smth💀

[daring forge]

Hopefully not but I’m going to let them take their time if that need to be the case, they obviously have a lot to deal with already

[cold reef]

so dumb of chinese to rate terror Victoria 3 with issues over HOI4

[daring forge]

I can understand the frustration of not getting to see it but also I can wait a day or so, I’m not that impatient

[pure nexus]

I can't

[daring forge]

Also over something so inconsequential

[pure nexus]

I want dev diary!

[drifting star]

Can we have a little sneak peak , if we let them control our behavior they win

They should be prosecuted

[cold reef]

yeah China can't purchase HOI4 anyways

[rocky oasis]

Do you mean communicating to them to wait for the Chinese DLC? Are they unable to just infer that?

[pseudo mulch]

Imagine getting so genuinely angry about a HoI4 formable country that you send death threats to the Devs

[visual wraith]

ye like surely the historical path doesn't core tibet or smth

[drifting star]

90% of these guys live in USA

[rocky oasis]

They can.

[pseudo mulch]

Buncha basement dwellers

[cold reef]

well American Chinese can

[daring forge]

That’s extremely fragile nationalism for you in a nutshell really

[cold reef]

was talking about Chinese mainland

[cosmic falcon]

It's pathetic that these people act like children and threating the devs will somehow make things better.

[daring forge]

The base game is officially banned but not dlc and you can still get the game through other means iirc

[rocky oasis]

@pure nexus Like the Indian princes, I enjoy this man’s drip. Especially the hat.

[pure nexus]

Unfortunately it seems like they won the battle since the stream, thd video and thd dev diary are postponed.

[cold reef]

funny where you can't get the game in store but they somehow plays and gets mad over a dlc and curses the devs

[cosmic falcon]

On the other hand, I wish the devs would come out and announce that there will be some delays in terms of the diaries so that we can be informed over what's going on instead of being left hanging.

[drifting star]

I need this hat

[cold reef]

too true

[pure nexus]

Agree

[quiet verge]

Shoigu

Gerasimov

[cosmic falcon]

Transparency is the most important and should be used by every company.

[quiet verge]

Where is the Afghan dev diary

[cosmic falcon]

Delayed apparently.

[quiet verge]

Confirmed by pdx?

What for btw?

[pure nexus]

Death threats from Chinese

[quiet verge]

Come on

[cold reef]

not confirmed officially but it seems because of Chinese players mad about India getting cores on Tibet

[quiet verge]

Ik the Chinese are mad over Silk Road Empire

[cold reef]

pretty much both

[quiet verge]

But what does it have to do with Afghan dev diary

[quiet verge]

The Chinese don't take any revision of their map easily

[tacit sequoia]

review bombing + sending threats.

[cold reef]

to be fair if the Silk Road Empire should exist it should be given to China, not India

[quiet verge]

Tbh Silk Road Empire shouldn't have existed in the first place

[cold reef]

yeah

[quiet verge]

Border gore formidable

Like bruh

[cold reef]

border gore top1

[thick edge]

It’s silly so I like it

[rocky oasis]

Devs are figuring out what to do about the death threats, reworking India, and also the schedule has also possibly been moved back due to the video and stream for India being delayed.

[drifting star]

It’s the most loser behavior to be this but hurt over a game where you can make anarchists take over the world and eve braun the leader of the nazis and grandma hitler a operative

[quiet verge]

So you mean India will be reworked again?

[cosmic falcon]

Why not do a livestream where the devs playing all GOE countries?

[pure nexus]

I'm so desperate that I refresh the forum every 5min in hope that maybe we will finally get to see it today 😫

[rocky oasis]

They are getting rid of the Silk Road empire and changing it to conquering Afghanistan and Iran, from what I remember.

[drifting star]

We need a name and shame campaign of all the people acting like this make sure the real life people know what they saying behind the keyboard

[quiet verge]

Was seeing some folks being mad over the map being wrong in India

Well

[frosty oak]

The anarchist global revolution is awesome actually

[cold reef]

And it seems Afghan also had routes of coring Tibet; Indian rework should not effect DD for showing already-made Afghan and Iraq focus trees

[quiet verge]

Can't keep everyone happy ig

[drifting star]

Not just for this but all these Jack asses

[cosmic falcon]

The devs shouldn't be forced to change something over some salty little kids.

[quiet verge]

Mother Anarchy knows no border

[quiet verge]

They aren't afraid of kids

They are afraid of losing money

Not the devs more like the company

[drifting star]

They are afraid of someone going to their houses wdym people done shit like this in the USA as well for a lot less

[rocky oasis]

Might not be Tibet, now that I think about it. It could be Sinkiang.

[quiet verge]

I am sure something like that happened in Sweden a few weeks ago too

Salwan Momika

[daring forge]

A lot of the people acting all pissy are fully grown adults, fully aware of the implications, sending threats to them

[cold reef]

Sinkiang would be another reason

[quiet verge]

Lack of consequences

[uncut tide]

Death threats (wrong), swear words include relatives (correct), I seriously suspect that the production team or the feedback provider made a mistake in the translation software

[daring forge]

Remember rule 2

[quiet verge]

That's why I only mentioned the name. Nothing else

[fresh cedar]

EITC Lowkey anarcho capitalism

[frosty oak]

Yeah, which is really funny

[quiet verge]

EIC didn't make sense too but

Ig funni ancap path

[rocky oasis]

Literally 1984. /j

[uncut tide]

There are many Chinese swear words that connect "kill" and "immediate family members", but this is not a death threat.

[fresh cedar]

EIC is fine, imo more tame than Chile coring all of the Americas as native America and on par with anarcho communism

[daring forge]

I don’t think you should be doing assertions like that considering you don’t know what is being sent to them privately

[rocky oasis]

EIC was more recently in existence than Byzantium was.

[pure nexus]

Chile have in my opinion the best focus tree in the game yet.

[quiet verge]

Ik but still

[fresh cedar]

EIC is pretty plausible as far as meme paths go imo

[quiet verge]

Then again EIC is tolerable

[uncut tide]

But I understand Chinese swear words, and in a sense, they do sound like death threats when translated into English.

[quiet verge]

Being realistic doesn't always mean being fun

So

[fresh cedar]

Stonks and Tax Evasion is fun wdym

[cosmic falcon]

How long do you all think until we get this dev diary?

[fresh cedar]

6 days

[quiet verge]

I wonder if Afghanistan will start with cores on Waziristan at start

[daring forge]

Like a day or so hopefully

[quiet verge]

Or will get them through focus

[keen ferry]

still no dd?

[quiet verge]

Nah

[keen ferry]

strange

[uncut tide]

It seems that there is no word in English swear words that connects killing and relatives. It is possible that the production team took him as a death threat.

[fresh cedar]

They’re withholding it purely out of spite towards you

[quiet verge]

Oopa gangnam style

[keen ferry]

Rude paradox

[quiet verge]

Bro

They got death threats

[fresh cedar]

Everyone ping Chak so it delays more

[keen ferry]

Wdym?

[pseudo wing]

[fresh cedar]

I like to watch the world burn sometimes

[keen ferry]

They got dt bc they didn't dropped the dd?

💀

[fresh cedar]

Bc Silk Road and Tibet

[quiet verge]

They got dt cause they dropped Silk Road Empire

Which gives India cores on Tibet

[cosmic falcon]

Will there be announcement about a delay?

[quiet verge]

There should be

[pure nexus]

It would be nice to get at least an official statement of what is happening today.

[cosmic falcon]

We shouldn't be left in the dark.

[fresh cedar]

All I know is I stand in solidarity with paradox and will continue to buy their content

[daring forge]

I think the Chinese community ambassador would know the context of that, speaking the language and all that, so if they’re saying that it’s a death threat then it probably is

[gaunt sleet]

@pseudo wing I understand you guys apparently got death threats but I wanna say double down on Silk Road formable and make it core more land, maybe just make the borders better ig? Like core Iran, Arabia, China etc

[rocky oasis]

Why are you doing apologia for people harassing the devs?

[quiet verge]

Chak got pinged once

[grave aspen]

Chinese players using their 1 hour state allowed video game time to complain on pdxforms about tibet (they will have to study for the next 8 hours after this)

[fresh cedar]

Maybe Silk Road should just form imperium of man and core planet under god emperor

[quiet verge]

Diary officially is delayed

[keen ferry]

Bro when they add content for a nation some people are not thanked

but if they add only border cores

guess what it's not enough again

[gaunt sleet]

John you need to save Silk Road empire

[polar jasper]

Yo it is the other stick man youtuber

[fresh cedar]

We need the moon added

[keen ferry]

i mean more cores means more fun

[quiet verge]

I won't mind sacrificing Silk Road Empire

Some modders will add it anyways

[cold reef]

they made border gores instead of border cores

[polar jasper]

You know, as long as historical is fun, I'm perfectly fine

[keen ferry]

This game is the definition of border gore

[gaunt sleet]

why not make Silk Road empire just look better or something

[little ore]

here are some leaks posted in hoi4's instagram page

[rocky oasis]

I actually think it is bad to harass developers, regardless of whether there are death threats or not.

[pure nexus]

@pseudo wing give us anything, just a glimpse of the dev diary today plssss

[fresh cedar]

It’s meant to sorta look like the Mongol empire near the end I believe

[quiet verge]

So will Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine receive focus trees?

[rocky oasis]

These were posted in the discussion of the first India dev diary.

[fresh cedar]

But cores just guarantee supply routes

[little ore]

ah, i just saw them

did not know

[uncut tide]

Oh, damn, forget about the Silk Road, ugly maps, and using a trade term as an empire name is so weird

[fresh cedar]

It’s funny how I said everyone should pin Chak and they did 😭

[keen ferry]

Paradox can we have cancel guarantee operations?

please

[gaunt sleet]

Wait so it cores more than what was shown?

[polar jasper]

Just generate less than 10% world tension

[fresh cedar]

No, but it’s intended to occupy more, with the cores just acting as supply routes

[keen ferry]

easier said than done

[polar jasper]

Then you can avoid all guarantees until 100% world tension

[polar jasper]

Done it before, works well

[quiet verge]

Well it stretched from China to Eastern Europe so I won't be survived if it is

[polar jasper]

Just slow down your expansion

[keen ferry]

when you don't get wg from your focus tree

[polar jasper]

Oh I know

Just slow down your expansion

[fresh cedar]

Mandate of Palestine and Jordan getting added 😏

[gaunt sleet]

tbh just make it core more than. We already have a lot of goofy formables make it op. This is the schizo path after all, the actual chances of the Mughal empire returning were low, they were mostly destroyed after sepoy rebellion

[quiet verge]

Wonder if they will get content

[polar jasper]

In my prussia game, I was able to unite most of Germany while not getting guarantees until 100% world tension made them auto join factions

[uncut tide]

However, the fact is that after N versions, Tibet still hasn't added the opening core. This code doesn't even take 5 minutes. If I don't put some pressure on them, I guess they still won't be able to do it.

[fresh cedar]

Think it’s supposed to be unique though. Dont really need the core manpower so it functions just to help supply lol

[keen ferry]

@polar jasper How many hours do you have?

[quiet verge]

Fascist Israel path. Led by Avraham Stern, Lehi

[polar jasper]

Over 2000

Why

[fresh cedar]

I’m almost at 6400, I’m sad

[gaunt sleet]

hmm either way we need to protect it. I don’t care that sejo will argue it’s not good it’s too funny we must protect it

[keen ferry]

did you ever played mexico using GBP?

[quiet verge]

Trotskyist Mexico is goated

[fresh cedar]

Sejo argues everything is slop, yet it’s the only game he plays 😂 Contradictory

[keen ferry]

i can't defeat USA

as mexico

[daring forge]

I think this harassment campaign is actually making them less inclined to add it considering how shitty the people wanting it are

[keen ferry]

they get a stupid buff

[polar jasper]

I never really played Mexico

[keen ferry]

for 20% core attack and defense

[uncut tide]

The Silk Road is like the Netherlands changing its name to the Sea Coachman. It's not the name of an empire at all. Wouldn't it be better to give provinces a buff?

[polar jasper]

You have to fight them early

[pure nexus]

Something is happening

[fresh cedar]

That’s my argument, it’s not even like they just not asking nicely. They’re flat out being toxic

[polar jasper]

And outmanuver them

[fresh cedar]

Turns out paradox has halted all development and will be shutting down effective immediately

[daring forge]

It has already been removed, why are people still complaining over it

[rocky oasis]

Cool. Still sounds like you are trying to excuse people harassing devs.

[uncut tide]

They hadn't added it before the riots, and if we don't put some pressure on them, they might never add it.

[polar jasper]

Because people are entitled a-holes

[fresh cedar]

The DLC isn’t about them. 😭

[rocky oasis]

“Harassment is actually good in this case guys!”

[polar jasper]

Can people be patient for once in their lives

[uncut tide]

I just saw someone discussing it above.

[fresh cedar]

“Why no Chinese content in India/Iran DLC 😤”

[gaunt sleet]

what?

[fresh cedar]

Sarcasm

[daring forge]

They will get to China eventually

[gaunt sleet]

Wait so what were the specific things about? Was it literally just China not coring Tibet? Or was it Silk Road empire

[uncut tide]

If you remove the Catalonia and Northern Ireland core, I believe the Spanish will riot just like the British and Irish.

[polar jasper]

Who's ready to see the new China DLC where they remove the warlords and give Mao +30% attack and defense.

Not just on core territory

[fresh cedar]

Silk Road and Tibet. They said they’d change Silk Road and rename, but they still had to act triggered over Tibet. Now they’re review bombing every paradox game. Over a single dev diary 😭

[cosmic falcon]

But doesn't China have the ability to annex Tibet in the game?

[daring forge]

These “riots” consisting of throwing a hissy fit, threatening devs and review bombing unrelated thing are just making them want to work less on Chinese content I imagine

[polar jasper]

No cores though

[uncut tide]

But just like I said, this code is not used for 5 minutes, it is just a starting core, but so many versions have not been added at once

[gaunt sleet]

yeah just can’t core it

[daring forge]

Because the player base seems to only want them gone

[polar jasper]

Watch hoi4 give China content by making the PRC unable to core Taiwan lol

[fresh cedar]

Would be hilarious if in the next Chinese DLC they delete PRC 😂 just makes it Sweden

[cold reef]

No chinese core on Tibet is surely the right thing

[daring forge]

I don’t care about how long it takes to add, it’s not a Chinese expansion so I don’t see why it should be added now

[polar jasper]

The Chinese player base says otherwise

[daring forge]

Might as well wait for a full rework

[rocky oasis]

I would tell them it is a video game and not to harass the devs. I will also say that you are actually making me angry by trying to downplay harassing and threatening developers as just putting pressure on them.

I am actually disgusted.

[polar jasper]

Me waiting for the 8YWR mod to just be base game

[daring forge]

Yeah this, it’s really odd behaviour ngl

[fresh cedar]

Literally no other part of the community has demanded such things. It’s entitled behavior that shouldn’t be encouraged

[polar jasper]

Have 1000 warlords

[polar jasper]

Of course

[cold reef]

"the beautiful china"

[polar jasper]

I would have been screaming for a US rework otherwise

[drifting star]

Yall think Afghanistan gets cores on China and Tibet

[fresh cedar]

“South America got rework, why US NO CORE ON PANAMA”

😭😭😭

[rocky oasis]

Paradox should have Japan have cores on all of China at the 1936 start date when the update for it comes.

[runic vessel]

Whens the dev diary coming out

[fresh cedar]

6 days

[rocky oasis]

Death threats by the Chinese.

[uncut tide]

This is not expansion, but something that should be done at the beginning. Why does Spain have Catalonia as its core at the beginning? Why does Ireland have Northern Ireland as its core? If Northern Ireland is Ireland, why does the UK have its core? This behavior is called double standards in China. Chinese people hate double standards on territory the most.

[daring forge]

Netizens framing it as some righteous cause when it’s just being angry over a non issue

[dense gale]

i mean tbf the game is moving into the realms of unrealism

back i wtt and other dlcs

the corables

actually made some sense

[past haven]

yo did actually chak get death threats?

[runic vessel]

It got delayed?

[past haven]

Thats insane

[rocky oasis]

Deflecting the criticism of the Chinese playerbase harassing the devs. This is genuinely disgusting behavior on your part.

[polar jasper]

Here is my thing with hoi4

Make historical historically accurate.
Make some alt history grounded
Go crazy with an alt history path or 2 for memery

[gaunt sleet]

These a pretty big difference. Spain controls Catalonia at game start, same with Britain and Ireland, Tibet is de facto independent. That being said China probably should be able to core it at some point but that’s not something relevant to the DLC

[dense gale]

pdx shpould have just promised the chinese players they get to core korea and japan in next dlc lol

[gaunt sleet]

If Catalonia was independent then yeah Spain shouldn’t get cores on it

But it wasn’t

[daring forge]

Because they own the territory, China doesn’t own Tibet at game start, the design philosophy 7 years ago when WTT was released was very against adding votes in general unlike now, which is why China only gets limited cores, if it were made now it would probably look a lot different

[gaunt sleet]

There’s a pretty big difference

[rocky oasis]

They are trying to deflect and downplay the actions of the Chinese playerbase.

[polar jasper]

Last time I checked, Tibet wasn't under China until the 50s and has had independence for awhile in the games time frame

[daring forge]

It’s not a double standard, it’s two unrelated cases

[polar jasper]

And when Tibet was under China, it was loosely governed

Until the 50s

[daring forge]

Nah I agree with you

[hollow lion]

Lets not discuss things like threats here, it doesnt help

[gaunt sleet]

aight fair enough, I guess there isn’t direct evidence yet regardless of the devs thought that…

[long ruin]

And turkey doesn’t have true Kurdish cores

[rocky oasis]

I was only discussing it because someone was trying to downplay that people were getting harassed. Apologies.

[long ruin]

Stop ranting lmao

[polar jasper]

Did you know that Federal Housing Act should be the first focus and be swapped with the agricultural adjustment act?

[daring forge]

You’re not helping your case

[drifting star]

Yes that’s true and Turks are not yelling and screaming

[hollow lion]

Please do not encourage

[coral drift]

Yes.
I talked to a few of them and managed to get through to them by pointing out that Together for Victory comes first before Waking the Tiger.

[pure nexus]

Some messages suddenly disappeared

[polar jasper]

Oh I deleted mine

[thick edge]

Lmao

[dense gale]

pdx needs to promise the ability to core siberia and japan and korea /s

but tbh

[hollow lion]

Hello Krasna

[rocky oasis]

Complete and total 🤡

[dense gale]

pdx needs to turn down on their corables

[thick edge]

Fr

[coral drift]

Hello.
This is just tiring.

[dense gale]

the stuff we can core now are very very stupid

[thick edge]

At least be funny

[polar jasper]

That was me deleting btw

[hollow lion]

Can we please stop discussing:
A. The merits of cores
B. Potential harassment or threats
Because it isnt going anywhere and the chat keeps derailing

[hollow lion]

Good job

🙃

[dense gale]

i mean its an issue tho the stats bloat and corable bloat

[gaunt sleet]

Paradox bases things on de facto. For example, the US de Jure in Victoria 3 controls all of Louisiana territory, yet is shown as de facto controlled by the natives, US players ain’t complaining bout it.

[polar jasper]

Also why is Alf Landon portrayed as the guy who aligns with the silver shirts.

Dude was a new deal republican. At least make a primary system that makes Lindbergh the republican candidate. That would make more sense

[rocky oasis]

Of course.

[dense gale]

i been talking bou this since aat

[coral drift]

The devs needs to do an official announcement and reserving the space to exclusively talk about that topic, with discussion on that nature in unrelated threads are discouraged.

[dense gale]

i think after bftb pdx just decided that everything should be able to be cored

[daring forge]

Because the content is very simplified, but we probably need to wait for mtg to be integrated first for a rework

[dense gale]

its a design issue

[coral drift]

There is one suggestion thread on Paradox Plaza talking about THAT matter, i do hope they would not spill out everywhere else.

[daring forge]

Just no

[coral drift]

Xibei San Ma also pledged themselves to Nanking and they are independent in HoI4

[gaunt sleet]

Wow native Americans signed laws stating they were under the US, doesn’t mean they were de facto under the US

This is such a weak argument

[rocky oasis]

🤡 <— You

[narrow thunder]

what did he say lmao?

[thick edge]

Which answer is correct A or B
OR
C all of the above?

[polar jasper]

Dude at least has positive social credit score

[coral drift]

Something that Xibei San Ma did IRL.

[gaunt sleet]

Tbf social credit score is a myth it doesn’t exist so don’t spread that round

[daring forge]

Maybe, or just shutting it down when it starts popping up, there’s no real merit to the discussion really generally - its generally just a non-argument

[polar jasper]

I feel sorry for the mods

[wooden fiber]

lmao

[wooden fiber]

It is a joke

[polar jasper]

I know, but the joke still stands

[hollow lion]

Paradox pragmatically switches between de facto and de jure based on what makes better content afaik 🤷‍♂️

[waxen axle]

wtf why no dev diary?

[coral drift]

Reserve a space for them only and don't let them fester into other threads.

[wooden fiber]

They had to delay it because of some controversy

[gaunt sleet]

I’m more just trying to give less credit to them

[daring forge]

Yeah ig

Containment zone

[waxen axle]

Jesus fking christ chinese people really lost their minds

[hollow lion]

@thick edge Lets not discuss it here

[thick edge]

Fair enough

[gaunt sleet]

eh more just laziness. They usually make things de facto as time goes on and more updates occur

[polar jasper]

When you try to design a fun game set in a historical time but then you make one sacrifice for gameplay reasons.

1 group of people gets pissed.

[coral drift]

I'm currently helping them to form a constructive argument in form of a suggestion thread.

[waxen axle]

So today will be no dev diary then

😦

[coral drift]

It worked for Southeast Asians

It would worked for the Chinese

[pure nexus]

Discuss what?

[daring forge]

More people should understand that it’s a game I feel

[hollow lion]

alleged crimes

[gaunt sleet]

I guess honestly the closest thing and probably fairest critique you could make is aussa which is de facto independent but Ethiopia has it cored. The only real argument I can make is just aussa is smaller and would be a hastle to add a focus for Ethiopia to core it but idk. There’s def gonna be a path in a china dlc for them to core Tibet

[dense gale]

my main issue since toa is they promised that there would be a reckoning in bloat

[daring forge]

How’d the Southeast Asia thing turn out?

[dense gale]

but theres clearly none

[rocky oasis]

Good for you. I think they should be cut off entirely. Big market sure, but if it is so cancerous I don’t think it is worth it.

[dense gale]

minors in gdg are stronger than minors in aat

[daring forge]

Haven’t seen many of those threads around anymore but I’m also maybe not as active on the forums

Remember seeing a bunch of decently informative (as long as you did some research too because they could be a bit biased) threads with ideas for different content

[dense gale]

not true lol pdx after all is profit first the chinese is a big part of the market

they dont just make decisions on the whim

[coral drift]

4 years and it helped RT56 team and my mod's development, i guess...

[polar jasper]

Okay there are a few groups of people who have grudges with the game.

1. Historical accuracy with country paths.
2. Gameplay (most logical of them all)
3. "Historical accuracy" when it comes to flags and a certain group of Germans (or insert bad group here)
4. DLCs
5. Lost a campaign because they were this close to winning, but then a major joined the war/a random country became a major

[hollow lion]

❤️

[gaunt sleet]

that’s a bit harsh. Doubt these people represent majority of Chinese players

[coral drift]

I do hope we got Myanmarians and more Indochinese devs to work on both our mods.

[rocky oasis]

Yeah, I know. Hence why I am not in charge of a big company.

[gaunt sleet]

Tbh… I feel like hoi4 isn’t built on great foundations, hoping hoi5 fixes that. It’s by far the least dynamic paradox game and there isn’t really much they can do to change it other than a full blown new game.

[rocky oasis]

Fair point.

[dense gale]

hoi4 as a game is fine

they just need to not make every new dlc even more op

[polar jasper]

I just want a globe map so I can nuke the Soviets from Wyoming

Just like IRL

You can't do that on a flat map

[frosty oak]

Hoi4 but on a globe map sounds awesome

[gaunt sleet]

nah it is kinda like a story telling game with the emphasis on focus trees

[gaunt sleet]

Hopefully hoi5

[fresh cedar]

Aw but it was such a fun dlc

[frosty oak]

Everyone our lord and savior is typing

[thick edge]

U can’t blame 5

[frosty oak]

Shhh

[untold sequoia]

It's super cool for 5 minutes and then just annoying when you can't see what happens on the far side of the world. And then you realise you spent a year implementing it.

[gaunt sleet]

Like most mods don’t really mess with the core division gameplay, they just add in depth decisions etc . I saw this as a person who first played hoi4

[cosmic falcon]

Who?

[gaunt sleet]

Mr Arheo, please protect the Silk Road empire at all costs. Hollow Being must suffer. I will play it to get an achievement

[frosty oak]

Oh yeah your right, that would be troublesome even if it improves my immersion

[thick edge]

It’s an element of surprise when u move the globe
“Wait how tf did Luxembourg cap Germany”

[rocky oasis]

On the other hand it could make for some excellent comedy when you think you have won and another country comes in that you weren’t paying attention to.

[fresh cedar]

Globe hearts of iron would bother me so much 😭

[daring forge]

Is it still around? Could be fun to read through

[rocky oasis]

Wonderful comedic potential.

[drifting star]

Imagine if they added the moon

Having to micro multiple planets

[fresh cedar]

Wish HOI4 had the ability to edit the map border like Victoria 3

[gaunt sleet]

stellaris 2

[thick edge]

Ikr

[coral drift]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/proposals-for-a-future-southeast-asia-country-pack.1427427/

[daring forge]

Ty

[long ruin]

Silk Road empire definitely feels more like an afghan meme path

[frosty oak]

If we had a globe map then Millenium Dawn would absolutely do this lmao, bridging the gap between Hoi4 and Stellaris

[coral drift]

Four years of bookreading

The Chinese community can do better than whatever tf they're doing now.

[rocky oasis]

They are busy doing more important things.

[hollow lion]

Would they have access to accurate information about sensitive historical topics though I wonder

[fresh cedar]

Accurate maybe, though maybe a shred of the bigger picture

[drifting star]

Prolly not

[coral drift]

I mean, the KR Chinese devs got Dogmeat General in.

[drifting star]

I mean they have books but I imagine it all has a slant

[fresh cedar]

I’d have better lucky finding the truth in WH40K 😭

[daring forge]

Some of them might, but those probably don’t care as much since they don’t live in the mainland then

[fresh cedar]

Probably not the ones going bananas

[rocky oasis]

Are you telling me that Chairman Mao didn’t come out and kamehameha Hirohito in the face?

[fresh cedar]

Nope, he used Saiba Men

[daring forge]

There’s some good info in Chinese language sources but most of them are accessible via like Taiwan

[coral drift]

EYWOR devs are the better ones

[thick edge]

My childhood is ruined

(100% my childhood Dw)

[fresh cedar]

Mao is more like Frieza imo

Especially in game

[grim gorge]

Can someone explain to me why we aren't getting a dev diary today? If it needs to be a DM that works too I guess.

[fresh cedar]

I’m guessing they need to revise things which has shifted the overall timetable of the diaries/videos

[rocky oasis]

What’s next, Mao didn’t hand the reigns off to our current glorious leader before riding off into the sunset after personally slaying Douglas MacArthur with the sword of morbillion demons?

[pure schooner]

Image if Sg can core all of commonwealth

[pure schooner]

Drama ig

[grim gorge]

Tbf I'm not against meaningful delays. Player criticism was what got us a full Salazar path for Portugal and a Habsburg path for Poland. I don't know the exact circumstances of what's happening here though.

[fresh cedar]

A loud minority of the community was very
displeased with alt history India. Revisions are being made and so I imagine things in general will be pushed back a day or two, perhaps everything apart form the release. (Worst case scenario)

[pure nexus]

It can't be said out loud

[solid gyro]

🇨🇳

[rocky oasis]

It wasn’t just criticism this time, but I can’t say exactly what it was because we were told not to discuss it.

Perhaps we could tell it in interpretive dance?

[coral drift]

I myself has several complaints sent in the Paradox forums already
But not in the way some of the online users did....

[hollow lion]

Let us please

[fresh cedar]

They need a snickers

[pure nexus]

They need a dev diary for Afghanistan and Iraq

[polar jasper]

You know what. There is one thing I truly fear about this DLC.

How will Japan handle the new India?

Will the pacific war just end in 1942?

[fresh cedar]

Turns out Iraq had a Silk Road path too 😭😭

[dense gale]

for real

[rocky oasis]

*Oil road

[grim gorge]

I thought the Silk Road empire looked pretty dumb but I'm not passionate enough to want to do illegal things over it lol

[dense gale]

we should be able to core indonesia and malaya

[tired acorn]

How

[fresh cedar]

Japan hardly ever handles India lol

[dense gale]

reform majapahit

[gaunt sleet]

We must protect it

[dense gale]

ai or player

[rocky oasis]

Unfortunately a section of the playerbase did unspeakable (in the sense that we are not allowed to talk about it) things to the devs.

[fresh cedar]

They made them play Ethiopia?

[grim gorge]

Even worse, Switzerland

[fresh cedar]

BORING

[coral drift]

A Turanist-like compliance-boosting modifier would suffice.

[frosty oak]

Ethiopia is my favorite country

Legit a really fun campaign

[fresh cedar]

How 😭

[frosty oak]

Because I love killing Italian fascist and destroying imperialism

Tho I will say, gotterdamerung broke it

[coral drift]

The current Republic is referred as the Third Indonesian State by Mohammad Jamin, an important Indonesian cultural minister in the 1950s.

The first is Srivijaya, and the second is Majapahit.

[fresh cedar]

I prefer communist South Africa for anti imperialism, or Native American Chile

[gaunt sleet]

@astral cave holy shit it’s him better play Silk Road empire path

[gaunt sleet]

Congo fun too

[rocky oasis]

Why are you randomly pinging people?

[frosty oak]

Not only is Italy actually a challenge now cause the AI has a brain, but the AI always counters your resistance growth so Ethiopia’s decisions don’t work anymore

[fresh cedar]

Congo was the country I was most looking forward to in GDR. And it let me down a bit but was still fun

[gaunt sleet]

It’s not random it’s isorrowproductions

[rocky oasis]

Was he in this chat?

[frosty oak]

Congo isn’t the best country by any measure, but I do enjoy seeing how tall I can stack its resources

[gaunt sleet]

I just noticed he was in this discord smh

[fresh cedar]

There’s so many HOI4 YouTubers I lose track

[frosty oak]

He’s like the biggest hoi4 YouTuber

How do you lose track of him

[rocky oasis]

Well, don’t ping people when they aren’t involved. It is impolite and will probably just result in you being blocked.

[gaunt sleet]

probably. Worth a shot though anyway 🤷‍♂️

[thick edge]

However

U are allowed to ghost ping shyy

It’s a great idea

[solid gyro]

The people who do threats are a disgrace and are extremely lost in my view like wow i dont go crying "why is south tirol not apart of austria in game its austrian core" cause i know its historical accurate for them to lose it and this is saying something when it comes from a austrian civilian

[rocky oasis]

I doubt you meant to be impolite, but it is important to be aware of etiquette.

[gaunt sleet]

I’m infamous for my overusage of pings

[thick edge]

As an American I’m mad we don’t have McDonald’s in the construction menu

[visual wraith]

isp should lowk make a 'hoi4 situation is crazy' video

[thick edge]

Someone will

Dw

[solid gyro]

Burger king is also missing where is that in the construction menu?

[thick edge]

Real

[pure schooner]

we can core uk because we were a puppet

usa was also a puppet

therefore we can core usa

have u read the steam reviews btw

[drifting star]

Wrong all belongs to Malta

[rocky oasis]

We aren’t allowed to talk about what people did to the devs. Because of this we (well, I) have been have been implying that something far worse has happened by referring to it as unspeakable.

[coral drift]

You guys would love (sarcasm) when the devs butchered the Indonesian content in the inevitable Southeast Asia DLC.

I myself would chucke and delivering a constructive tirade, telling the devs to read a bunch of books. Boring, you know.

But when this got translated and appeared on Indonesian Instagram and Tiktok, hoo boy....

[solid gyro]

I see well could i just ask rq on why this happend is it because of the tibet thema or the silk road focus in the dev diary which we see saw last time?

[rocky oasis]

It is because of Tibet

[coral drift]

There is a reason why it's Indonesian netizens and not them who get the #1 spot as the most toxic online users.

[grim gorge]

I wish alt-history for HOI4 was grounded in plausible history and not just wacky meme stuff, but that's no excuse for doing anything actually harmful or illegal.

[rocky oasis]

This was hammered home by the clown trying to downplay the actions of the the people doing unspeakable things to the devs.

[rocky oasis]

I am kind of the opposite, but to each their own.

[solid gyro]

Bruh thats so lost i mean its like i said about the south tirol thing just that no one gives a damn about it

[coral drift]

"This is just bantz"

Bro, this kinds of bantz got football hooligans their infamous reputation

[grim gorge]

I personally think mods tend to be better at covering alt-history, especially wackier alt-history.

[solid gyro]

Tbh that would exclude everything except for what happened due to the circumstances of certain situations

[frosty oak]

Well, someone must give a damn if it’s caused this mess

[rocky oasis]

I don’t understand what you’re are saying here.

[coral drift]

For them, it's common insult amongst themselves.

For us, not at all.

[fresh cedar]

They want to court you

After-all, you’re the illustrious Kaiser Duck

[rocky oasis]

Just because something is normal in a place does not make it right?

[pure nexus]

I think steam discussions might be the reason for all of that drama, I just started to read them

[coral drift]

Indeed.
Especially in the Anglophone community.

[cosmic falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mad-fish-sponge-bob-angry-gif-12369198217513035864

[pseudo mulch]

Oh so it did come out today

[coral drift]

I myself sometimes shaked my head when reading stupid comments in the Indonesian comment sections

[rocky oasis]

Are you siding with people harassing the devs and the person downplaying it or am I just dense? Harassing devs is harassing devs.

[north hamlet]

okay who's threatening the devs who

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/china-bill-wurtz-gif-13937137

[coral drift]

I'm pointing out my disagreement with the ones who harassing the devs.
They can do better than that.

[frosty oak]

Yayayay new dev diary

[daring forge]

yipee afghanistan

[visual wraith]

lets go

[thick edge]

https://tenor.com/view/china-gif-26678009

[rocky oasis]

Okay, so I was just not understanding what you were saying then lol.

[coral drift]

Direct harassement isn't productive at all. Better beat the devs with bookreading.

[coral drift]

Yeah
Sorry for being an ESL.

[solid gyro]

you ok?

[wise oxide]

vhat about raj vid guys?

[lofty creek]

Afganistan communist Path is on the left!!!!!!

[solid gyro]

I doubt that’s going to happen

[keen ferry]

Ngl the focus trees are rather small

[coral drift]

Okay, a question for the devs

With introduction of Iraq as an Arabia-forming nation, has the Arabia formable itself finally been reworked into a tiered formable?

[tired acorn]

and kinda mid

[gaunt sleet]

where???

[keen ferry]

man i have high expectations

[tired acorn]

i dont

[keen ferry]

Gotterdammerung was peak

Iraq has like 2-3 paths

while afghanistan has 4-5

[rocky oasis]

Unless they added more Muslim princes, we have even less options! Yay! (This is sarcasm)

[keen ferry]

there is no way this is going to be a tfv 2.0

My fav dlc will always remain AAT

[tired acorn]

im hoping Iran outshines the rest

[keen ferry]

sad that i didn't knew how to play the game at that time

[keen ferry]

yeah....

i expected them to be small

since 2 nations one dd

but that small

[daring forge]

Idk what you're talking about, these look fun

[keen ferry]

Afghan tree

[rocky oasis]

@coral drift Good job to your friend. They are implementing the Timurid heir.

[daring forge]

not much you can do with afghanistan realistically

[keen ferry]

Iraqi one

[wise oxide]

fr what did they expect

i think its good and big

[gaunt sleet]

tbh reading the afghan one it seems short and sweet. I was concerned they’d be like Uruguay and Paraguay and basically half a tree but these satisfy me. Due to them being one dev diary

[daring forge]

All the GoE nations have to recreate the timurids obviously, 100 focus path for just that

[rocky oasis]

So that is why Jordan is independent now.

[daring forge]

yeah, quite a bit of diversity but also quite compact

[daring forge]

he's in game :)

and a few more from the DD comments

[drifting star]

This is so fire

[rocky oasis]

Where did you get the portrait

[daring forge]

the comments

[drifting star]

They out did themselves

Way better than before

[pure nexus]

I'm so hyped

[rocky oasis]

Found them. Weren’t coming up for some reason before.

[pure nexus]

My love you are finally in the game

It was worth waiting

[gaunt sleet]

Wait I think communist Iraq is Kurdistan

[daring forge]

While it could have been fun with a communist iraq path too, whether it was cut for time or just not made, it wouldn't have been my biggest concern in the first place - looking forward to playing the hashemites and stuff

[wise oxide]

what?

[gaunt sleet]

They didn’t show this part of the tree off for some reason

[visual wraith]

they just didnt talk about half the tree

[wise oxide]

it might just be kurdish autonomy cooperation or unity

[sonic ferry]

hello, anyone know why i am banned in the forum?
You have been banned for the following reason: Spam. Please contact the administrator if this was done in error..

[fresh cedar]

Love the replacement and addition of the Timurids

[rocky oasis]

Can someone who is logged into the forum ask which princes can be chosen to lead the Princely breakaway state now.

[ashen lance]

damn this is actually such a fun looking country pack

[daring forge]

probably spam idk

[fresh cedar]

Not the correct chat

[gaunt sleet]

It would be funny if you could make big Kurdistan

[ashen lance]

I hope persia get's the love it deserves as well

[fresh cedar]

Ask in the help chats please

[sonic ferry]

ok

thank u

[gaunt sleet]

Persia is probably where all the development went ngl

[solid gyro]

I don’t think that would be wise after all that had happened

[rocky oasis]

Military and industry are the other two.

[ashen lance]

that's what im looking forward to if these are the minors of this expansion im curious what persia is going to get it's exciting haha

[rocky oasis]

And then Kurdistan path

[drifting star]

There is the schizo path

[daring forge]

they showed a few princes that are muslim, so maybe like 5? just a guesstimate

[gaunt sleet]

When are they gonna reveal it???

[drifting star]

They added OPEC

Cooperate middles East empire ?

[gaunt sleet]

I really hope they didn’t remove Silk Road empire

[fresh cedar]

Timurid is considerably better than Silk Road

[fresh cedar]

Believe Timurid path replaced it

[rocky oasis]

Downgrade in my opinion. Yeah, yeah Mughals ruled by a Hindu prince is stupid, but I liked some of the drip the others had.

[gaunt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/早安圖2023風景-gif-2644993955788734679

NOOO

[drifting star]

Based alert before it was just silly

[open crown]

How old would hassan be in hoi4

[daring forge]

at least the hyderabad and kalat guys had some decent drip iirc

[gaunt sleet]

MOVEMENT TO PROTECT SILK ROAD EMPIRE

[rocky oasis]

Do you mean Saddam?

[open crown]

Secret leader?

[gaunt sleet]

I thought it would just be an alternative to Silk Road not replacement

[open crown]

Yeah

[gaunt sleet]

Hassan piker would conquest 100 years before he was born

[rocky oasis]

Look, all I am saying is that India potentially has less monarch options than the Congo.

[daring forge]

like -a few years at game start

[quiet verge]

I guess it is too late to ask

[solid gyro]

Born in 1937

[quiet verge]

But will there be Waziristan campaign (or Pashtun insurgency) in Bri'ish Raj?

[open crown]

i mean we already have a baby leader in hoi4 soooooooo

[solid gyro]

Lol at that point it would goofy

[daring forge]

oh well, at least makes slightly more sense than the previous

[visual wraith]

new youngest hoi4 communist leader right next to pol pot

[rocky oasis]

Pashtun stuff for Afghanistan.

[gaunt sleet]

worst dlc they removed Silk Road empire

[daring forge]

wasn't hugely important in any direction to me but at least fun seeing the pretender get added

[fading walrus]

when are they going to add Goku

[quiet verge]

Congo was part of a dlc. India is a part of a country pack

[daring forge]

won't be hard to mod in again

so you know what to do...

[solid gyro]

when they rework Mexico

[gaunt sleet]

I’m actually angry partially because I’d imagine they’d be an achievement and flag

[fading walrus]

this is more important /J

[quiet verge]

I am sure Silk Road Empire will be a mod the moment the dlc drops

[gaunt sleet]

There needs to be a secret Silk Road empire path

[rocky oasis]

They are both DLCs. Götterdämmerung is an expansion.

[fading walrus]

@solid gyro he heard your army is pretty strong...

[quiet verge]

Yeah. Expansion and country pack

Pdx treats both differently

Wonder what expansion will we get this year

Japan ig

[gaunt sleet]

why do you hate the Silk Road empire

[quiet verge]

Its unfunny

Even kx paths make more sense

[daring forge]

unstoppable force vs immovable object

[rocky oasis]

It is extremely funny actually, since people are treating this as some serious issue.

[sonic ferry]

too ugly and unreasonable

[frosty oak]

Iraq looks like it will be fun, gonna enjoy trying to use the chaos in Europe to unify the Arab world

[quiet verge]

I don't find border gore funni

[gaunt sleet]

Exactly. It better be secret path

[sonic ferry]

I feel like my money was wasted

[daring forge]

yeah, could be a couple fun games just trying different iterations of the paths

[gaunt sleet]

You’re supposed to control rest of area as well apparently. So you’d occupy other parts

[frosty oak]

Afganistan looks like it’s just gonna be another Baltic state, probably very fun, but not big

Which eh, that’s ok

It’s just Afganistan

[sonic ferry]

When I saw Silk Road Empire, I wanted to invite Musk's doge to Sweden

[fading walrus]

wtf

[frosty oak]

Gross

[fading walrus]

dude China will get reworked

eventually

I mean my country hasn't been reworked in a while

[frosty oak]

Have you considered touching some grass @sonic ferry

[fading walrus]

and thats the USA

I would rather see China get reworked first

TBH

[sonic ferry]

why you said this?

[fading walrus]

probably before USA too

is when China will get reworked

[sonic ferry]

yep I wish so

[dense gale]

i mean when china get rework

[fading walrus]

as Waking the Tiger was intergrated

and MTG hasn't

[dense gale]

they will get equally as ridiculous stuff

[fading walrus]

no probably more

[rocky oasis]

People are now asking about the Silk Road Empire in the replies now lol. Silk Road bros, we may have lost the battle (it was removed), but we won the war (we have swayed the hearts and minds of the people).

[dense gale]

im 99% sure they will let u reform the yuan dynasty if ur the qing

[fading walrus]

hopefully Manchuko gets reworked

[sonic ferry]

Chinia don't need too much civil servants

[fading walrus]

because Manchuko is kinda unplayble ATM

[fading walrus]

thats not accurate

Yuan were mongols

Qing were Manchu

[dense gale]

doesnt matter

its pdx

[fading walrus]

uh it does

[daring forge]

honestly manchukuo is probably my favourit country to play in that area atm

[dense gale]

anything is possible

[fading walrus]

Yuan should be Mongolia

not Manchuko

[dense gale]

pdx nonhist does not follow any logic

[daring forge]

would only want a few tweaks to it really

to allow some gameplay diversity

[fading walrus]

and neither does EU4

[sonic ferry]

YUAN - MONGOLIA
QING - MAN
MING - HAN

[visual wraith]

china should core all of the indian ocean from zheng he

[dense gale]

which is hwy it will be qing that form yuan

[fading walrus]

thats not even EU4

[rocky oasis]

Logic is boring. If I wanted logic, I would be doing something productive.

[quiet verge]

Do you guys think we will ever get an Africa based dlc?

[fading walrus]

Jianzhau can form Qing

[dense gale]

im saying pdx nonhist has zero logic put into it

so its a ffa

[fading walrus]

but not Yuan

[sonic ferry]

logic maybe boring but neccssary

[fading walrus]

because Mongolia, and the Mongol succesors states can form Yuan

like the Timurids even

oh and Ajam

[daring forge]

maybe? idk though since most of the interesting content is done already and egypt makes more sense with like arabia

[lunar gyro]

chin up dev team - you're doing good

[quiet verge]

Aktually althist itself is non sensible 🤓☝️

[fading walrus]

but who forms the Mongols as Ajam

when Persia is more fun to form as them

[dense gale]

well i mean compared to stuff like kr 😭

actually maybe only kr

[fading walrus]

Do I have to pull EU4 again

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[quiet verge]

Ummmm if pdx wants they can add early decolonization mechanic

[fading walrus]

because I will

that game has Spain colonize Australia

and Portugal can too

[daring forge]

ig, but feels like there's a lot more interesting stuff to be done before that

[granite vessel]

Will the Elephant Divisions be special forces?

[wise oxide]

why did they not show us iraq on the map?

[orchid pewter]

why didn't they show the kurdish Iraq tree?

[dense gale]

eu4 is never meant to be hist tho

[quiet verge]

Tribal politics, native and colonizers stuff etc

[fading walrus]

and Hoi4 to an extent

on non hist

[frosty oak]

Is love some more updates to Africa, I want a released Egypt with its own focus tree, some minor updates to restore more functionality to Ethiopia, a minor tree for Liberia, and a big update for South Africa

[fresh cedar]

Because they probably want to talk about the updates to the middleast in the next Iraq one? Idk

[frosty oak]

Congo is just fine as is

[fading walrus]

agreed

[quiet verge]

I guess they are still trying to hide added Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc

[fresh cedar]

Jinx

[dense gale]

yea but well old hoi pride itselfs in having some logic to its tree

granted they were also barebone too

[fading walrus]

EU4 is better than Hoi4 though

[quiet verge]

Syria balkanization when (Druze, Alawites)

[wise oxide]

lets hope they surprise us with our boi egypt

[rocky oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-simpsons-cloud-fist-grandpa-gif-12082744756246344299

[fresh cedar]

I prefer the newer style over the together for victory “safe” ones

[fading walrus]

but I still like Hoi4

[quiet verge]

Hoi4 is like an addiction

[fresh cedar]

Pretty sure they said in a diary Egypt isn’t being added yet

[daring forge]

arabia dlc maybe

[fading walrus]

it kinda is

[quiet verge]

It isn't good for me

[daring forge]

yep, they've showed it here too iirc

[quiet verge]

But I keep going back

[daring forge]

and I kinda agree tbh

[solid gyro]

“70 day focus for a level one railway in one province”

[daring forge]

adding them with a basic focus tree would feel a bit half baked, better to wait until they can get the attention they deserve

[dense gale]

its better than um time for u to annex everyone for free

and form eu

[wise oxide]

im very exited for more starting nations

[dense gale]

or form south america

[fading walrus]

same

[wise oxide]

are you a federal?

[quiet verge]

I am sure they are confused about the irl Egyptian situation. Which was neutral despite being under Bri'ish protection under a Pro Italian king

[dense gale]

wym

[quiet verge]

Even when Axis invaded Egyptian troops didn't join

[fading walrus]

yeah Egypt needs to be a country

in hoi4

they are quite fun in EU4

[daring forge]

which is why it's best to leave it as is until they can give them content relating to that imo

[gaunt sleet]

this is why Silk Road empire good

[wise oxide]

attractive females dont play hoi 4 according to science

[fading walrus]

because you build the Suez cannal earlier

[frosty oak]

Me playing Germany when yet another allied nation gets added/updated

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-kung-fu-panda-gif-19874507

[fading walrus]

like 300 years earlier

as Egypt

in EU4

[quiet verge]

Also having Egypt as it is buffs allies in North Africa

[dense gale]

i mean i dont have strong feelings

i think they are equally stupid

[solid gyro]

when map game isn’t ultra realistic to the point it’s no fun and it’s just a slog to do anything fun. It’s a video game not a simulation. You can play historical. If it needs to be Uber realistic the game needs to be overhauled big time

[quiet verge]

Italy loses Libya the moment they join the war in Egypt

[fading walrus]

they lost Libya up till Benghazi

IRL

[dense gale]

most people dont agree

[fading walrus]

in 1940

[dense gale]

its bad power creep

[quiet verge]

In game they lose the whole Libya

[fading walrus]

not everyone is you though

[dense gale]

and no balance

[fading walrus]

who cares

[dense gale]

its most people

[fading walrus]

says you

[dense gale]

says the devs

[quiet verge]

Even while Egypt didn't join the war

[dense gale]

this excerpt

directly quotes the devs

[fading walrus]

then just revert

to an older version

[quiet verge]

So yeah ig devs would try to delay Egypt as much as possible (despite me being desperate for Egypt)

[wise oxide]

i think it should be fun like you can kill a nation stronger than you but not to solo a superpower as a tiny minor

[fading walrus]

AKA go to Weeny hut Jr's

https://tenor.com/view/superweeniehutjr-weenie-spongebob-lameo-gif-5160846

[dense gale]

i play either way lol

[daring forge]

yeah, I'm all for egypt but they're kinda complicated lol

[dense gale]

but the truth is new dlc are awfully unbalnced

with stupid power creeps

[fading walrus]

most games I play are unbalnced

though

[wise oxide]

fr randon central american banana republic will have a huge army with an airforce by 1945 for no reason

[fading walrus]

not sure why you complain

I just accept it

[daring forge]

so giving them just a generic tree as a puppet like the others would feel harder to justify for this dlc I ffeel

[dense gale]

the earlier dlc well barebone wernt completely nonsensical

[wise oxide]

and with focustree its litterally from 0 to hero

[fading walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivA5Ww-lrm8

[fading walrus]

they were

[dense gale]

but its the majority opinion lol

[wise oxide]

like how do you turn from a failed state into a utopian superpower that fixed all problems in a few years

[fading walrus]

I sense egotism

[dense gale]

look at the reviews

[fading walrus]

thats because of the price

[dense gale]

the devs went be talking about it if we wernt feedbacking

[fading walrus]

and the fact it was barebones

[dense gale]

again the excerpt i posted

[wise oxide]

its litterally true new trees are fun but so scizo and funny

[fading walrus]

true

but the old trees were bland

and kinda stupid

[dense gale]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/reception-thoughts-patch-1-14-2-checksum-fbf7.1630169/

[fading walrus]

like Communist USA

[frosty oak]

Call me a minority cause I love the trial of allegiance trees

[wise oxide]

glorified generics

[fading walrus]

and Fascist USA

[dense gale]

the devs say it themselves

its an issue

[daring forge]

why is this argument still going on

[dense gale]

they just dont bother fixing it

[fading walrus]

because she's stubborn

[daring forge]

has it not circled around like twice already

[dense gale]

so are u

[quiet verge]

Why doesn't Iraq have a Baathist path?

[dense gale]

i mean agree to disagree

[fading walrus]

no I'm not

I've been playing games longer than you've probably been alive

2005

[daring forge]

same tbh, some memes but they also make the region a lot more fun to play

[fading walrus]

is when I started

[frosty oak]

Isn’t that what the golden square is? Allying yourself with Arab nationalist

[drifting star]

Can we see a zoomed in Kurd path

[quiet verge]

Baathists are different than Golden Square

[fading walrus]

and don't get me started on the Bronze age Egyptians in Rome Total war

[dense gale]

do u reject what the devs themselve said

[fading walrus]

I can see it

[daring forge]

Ba'ath was mostly a syria thing in the hoi4 timeframe iirc

[quiet verge]

Did Kurds get a path?

[fading walrus]

but its not that big of a deal

[daring forge]

iirc they weren't formed until like 40

[quiet verge]

So ig it would be part of Syria then?

[gaunt sleet]

Not confirmed

[fading walrus]

I don't play MP after what happened

[quiet verge]

SSNP SYRIA

[drifting star]

Yea it’s shown in zoomed out screen shot but they never go over it

[daring forge]

once they get content maybe yeah

[wise oxide]

plz dont crashout for no reason

[frosty oak]

Oh, then Idk

[daring forge]

early ba'ath formation or something

[fading walrus]

Tankies and Neo Nazis

lets leave it at that

[quiet verge]

SSNP would be more relevant for Syria

[fading walrus]

and I can only take so much stupidity in life

[quiet verge]

No baby Saddam leading Iraq 😭

[wise oxide]

they are hiding among us

[fading walrus]

since this servers inception

yes

unfortunately

[quiet verge]

Tankies and Neo Nazis!?!?!?!?

[quiet verge]

In a game about changing history?

[fading walrus]

bad voice chat in MP experience

[quiet verge]

No way

[daring forge]

they were actually more organised in the timeframe yeah so potentially, but still - not this expansion at least

[drifting star]

Kurds can finally be a real country

[gaunt sleet]

I wonder greater Kurdistan path?

[daring forge]

than the ba'ath people at least

[quiet verge]

Will the game get review bombed by Turks now then?

[fading walrus]

ight I'm gonna leave this channel

[daring forge]

although they were banned in 36

[drifting star]

That’s prolly why they did not even mention it lmao

[fading walrus]

because none of you guys know what gaming was like back in my day

2005 - 2012

[drifting star]

Damn ur the oldest gamer I’ve met on discord

[quiet verge]

Yeah seems like it. Before the last focus there seems to be two paths about war with Iran and Turkey

[frosty oak]

Um, sorry sweaty, but I remember

https://tenor.com/view/toon-town-toon-town-online-victory-dance-flippy-doggenbottom-flippy-gif-19992280

[fading walrus]

good

[frosty oak]

It was beautiful

[fading walrus]

good