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#latest-updates
craggy cave
hexed mango
u re expecting too much
no, I'm paying like half the price of a triple A game for a dlc that adds some mechanics to a game that already has like 10 such dlcs
I don't think I'm asking for "too much"
trim quartz
It’s kind of like putting tomato sauce on a ribeye steak, you shouldn’t because the ribeye steak is, or should be, good
dense gale
no, I'm paying like half the price of a triple A game for a dlc that adds some m...
Dont buy it
You can vote with ur wallet you know
hexed mango
yes, I plan on doing so, done buying products until they are "fixed" and properly tested
solid gyro
no, I'm paying like half the price of a triple A game for a dlc that adds some m...
Triple A games cost 80$ nowadays
hexed mango
Triple A games cost 80$ nowadays
elden ring is 60 dollars for example
hexed mango
80$ is the standard now
Stop splitting hairs and making excuses
There are plenty of triple A games released that are atill 60
Last year
My point still stands
dense gale
Hogwarts was 2 years ago
hexed mango
Hogwarts was 2 years ago
It was last year
Paying half the price of these games for 2 new mechanics and 4 focus trees only to be told that I'm asking for too much or that I could just be downloading mods is honestly insane
hexed mango
You keep clinging on to that
Even paying 1/3 the price of a triple A game for a dlc out of many dlcs only to be told that I can just mod it or to not expect much is nuts
dense gale
Than dont pay lmao
Most people also buy triple a games when they go on discount
Do the same for hoi
is not buying stuff day 1 a lost art
jovial jay
Hogwarts was 2 years ago
wait you are a woman?
dense gale
wait you are a woman?
no
hexed mango
is not buying stuff day 1 a lost art
That is not the problem, the problem is that consumers just put up with this practice instead of demanding a good finished product that they pay for without having to resort to mods tobfix the shortcomings of said products, and buying it day 1 or day 733 would make no difference looking at previous content released years ago which is broken to this day
dense gale
That is not the problem, the problem is that consumers just put up with this pra...
willing buyer willing seller
that mean most consumer agree this is a fair price
why should u dictate what they should or should not buy
hexed mango
No, most consumers love this game and are excited for new content just as I am but are met with disappointment once the content don't meet the expectations and stays that way without it being fixed, that's why I keep on talking about rhe problems before the release
Because once the dlc releases little to no changes are going to be brought to it
dense gale
i think the dlc has a complete lack of balancing
but where am i to argue
when most of the playerbase is happy
hexed mango
We'll see about that
dense gale
people who complain are a vocal minority
i think paradox qa team is asleep on the wheel
but what am i supposed to do
apart from vote with my wallet
dense gale
No
they complain about the price
if u read the dlc
also survivorship bias
people who are happy are less likely to review
hexed mango
It's insane to me how much you're glazing...
dense gale
im not lol
hexed mango
You are lmao
hexed mango
Yet you defend this practice of releasing subpar content...
hexed mango
they complain about the price
Also, that was the case for Trial of Allegiance not thev2 dlcs I posted
solid gyro
No, most consumers love this game and are excited for new content just as I am b...
That's the consumers fault for setting a high bar
hexed mango
That's the consumers fault for setting a high bar
Are you insane? High bar???
Ahahahahaha
dense gale
as simple as that
solid gyro
People are like oh I want this and I want that and then are disappointed when they don't get it
hexed mango
Oh sorry for asking for proper reichskomissariats for a dlc centered around GERMANY
dense gale
its not that deep
solid gyro
Fr
hexed mango
No no
solid gyro
I'm fine with spending 20$
hexed mango
It is for us all
solid gyro
And I'm not expecting much
dense gale
No no
is it not
theres a reason discount exist
its for people think that the original price isnt fair
hexed mango
Ok whatever you say il we're just running in circles, you just keep saying don't buy it instead of addressing the actual problem
signal cargo
I'm fine with spending 20$
Honestly is almost the same price as a meal if you go out and eat, and any dlc will last longer than a single meal
hexed mango
its free market capitalism
solid gyro
Honestly is almost the same price as a meal if you go out and eat, and any dlc w...
I was just about to say a burger king meal in my city is 19€ and I make that in an hour
dense gale
is anyone forcing u to dine out at a high end restaurant
signal cargo
u dont want it dont buy it
Thats a good point, if you buy it theyll keep making it
dense gale
same reason
signal cargo
I was just about to say a burger king meal in my city is 19€ and I make that in ...
Lol yeahh
dense gale
Thats a good point, if you buy it theyll keep making it
i dont lol
i think launch dlc price is ridiculous
signal cargo
I meant the community as a whole, if they can profit it means theyre doing something good
dense gale
tbh its just no one else is competing
so they can charge whatever they want
but such is life
signal cargo
i think launch dlc price is ridiculous
I think its amazing they dont make it cost more, remember these dlc have to cover the paychecks of all of their employees all year long
solid gyro
20$ now was 10$ in 2016
dense gale
I think its amazing they dont make it cost more, remember these dlc have to cove...
people will revolt if it cost more
or they wont
since paradox has a monpoly
signal cargo
20$ now was 10$ in 2016
They have way more to pay for now too, remember they have two teams of developers now compared to one like they used to
And the developer teams are bigger too
hearty blade
and theyve gone public so gotta pay the shareholders too
solid gyro
Wait they have??
signal cargo
Yepp
hearty blade
yeah u can buy paradox stock
solid gyro
I'm buying rn
signal cargo
They lose so much mire money so they need to make more too
hearty blade
yeah but tbh do u know how much some of their games have made
stellaris has made like 250m?
paradox is huge dude
solid gyro
Not bad
signal cargo
Most of the money doesnt stay though, similarly to living paycheck to paycheck they still need to make a lot of money constantly to stay afloat
dense gale
and theyve gone public so gotta pay the shareholders too
once u ipo u dont pay shareholders
only if u have dividends
hearty blade
yes which they presumably do
solid gyro
They pay a lot
dense gale
They pay a lot
its very little
for dividends
stocks that offer dividends average around 4%
solid gyro
Yeah but pdx stock is 4 times cheaper than average
dense gale
it dont work like that 😦
signal cargo
This might cause a boom in the pdx stock market if everyone keeps discovering it
thick edge
solid gyro
I'm now a proud owner
thick edge
I'm now a proud owner
What’s SEK
solid gyro
Swedish currency
hearty blade
swedish krone
solid gyro
I have a feeling Gotterdammerung is gonna be one of the best selling dlc because of the anticipation
dense gale
I'm now a proud owner
its a pretty shit stock to hold lol right now
trim quartz
Swedish currency
Fish
dense gale
its a pretty shit stock to hold lol right now
considering how volatile it is
solid gyro
I have a feeling Gotterdammerung is gonna be one of the best selling dlc because...
Yeah this dlc will sell alot of copies as alot of people wanted a germany rework a long time.
hexed mango
Yeah this dlc will sell alot of copies as alot of people wanted a germany rework...
Only for it to not be properly done...
solid gyro
Only for it to not be properly done...
Well TOA Was also a little bit weird at the start my guess is they will patch the rest after its out
fading walrus
Still better than how La resistance was at launch
Monarchist germany was unplayable
Along with alot more
fading walrus
Monarchist germany was unplayable
Keep in mind that Monarchist Germany wasn’t that old in 2020
Compared to now
The 24 3/0 divisions you get at the start of the civil war would not be deleted upon its conclusion
fresh cedar
Think they’re designed as such to purposely make them harder to form.
fading walrus
Battle for the Bosphorus might be my least favorite dlc
Because of how much potential was wasted with Turkey and Greece
fresh cedar
For country packs
fading walrus
Brazil can become a massive empire very quickly, while Turkey takes forever to become the Ottomans
fresh cedar
Scandinavian just seemed so locked behind focuses and like you couldn’t really innovate
fresh cedar
Brazil can become a massive empire very quickly, while Turkey takes forever to b...
Yeah like by 1940, any South American country tends to be in a decent if not great position
Meanwhile Turkey is just becoming ottoman
hexed mango
Think they’re designed as such to purposely make them harder to form.
That is stupid, they are supposed to make things easier not harder for you, they already don't have cores, why would I go on to bother conquering all of indochina if I get all of china only to form the rk if can puppet it in the peace deal before I even get to indochina, also rk russia is like, once u get rk moskow u already conquered russia, what's the harm in getting rk siberia separately, also africa, it's basically irrelevant, at least make the map prettier, also rk scandinavia/nordland would already require you to take all of scandinavia
fading walrus
Yeah like by 1940, any South American country tends to be in a decent if not gre...
Brazil taking Portugals colonies is funny
hexed mango
The purpose here is to make the game more immersive
chrome vortex
no, I'm paying like half the price of a triple A game for a dlc that adds some m...
u forgot this is pdx we re talking about
fading walrus
Then again Brazil has a much larger population than Portugal
fresh cedar
That is stupid, they are supposed to make things easier not harder for you, they...
To force you to fight multiple factions.
hexed mango
To force you to fight multiple factions.
Yeah nkt doing that when I can get a puppet than can give me even more bonuses
cobalt jay
I'm not even going to bother to use RKs, don't see a purpose for them
fading walrus
Brazil had close to 140 million people in 1940
fresh cedar
That is stupid, they are supposed to make things easier not harder for you, they...
MEFO is meant to eat you overtime, so if it’s harder to form, it forces Germany to keep fighting other factions till they’re fighting all
hexed mango
As I have said, rks should be easier to make than straight up puppeting considering you don't even get cores on them nor can you take their resources and factories in their entirety
fresh cedar
I'm not even going to bother to use RKs, don't see a purpose for them
Have to with 4 year plan
fading walrus
Portugal had only 3 million
cobalt jay
Why would you ever take four year plan tho
fresh cedar
As I have said, rks should be easier to make than straight up puppeting consider...
I don’t think Germany should easily be able to do anything in terms of MEFO and RK
The whole point is to force you to expand
hexed mango
Dude
fresh cedar
If you go stable economy it’s not a worry at all
hexed mango
You're already expanding
fresh cedar
Yes, and they basically want you to fight everyone and take everything lol
hexed mango
I don't see why couldn't you make rk balkan without slovakia or hungary
fading walrus
Not too mention that Brazil had a better navy than Portugal in 1936
chrome vortex
I'm not even going to bother to use RKs, don't see a purpose for them
rk?
cobalt jay
Unless I am doing an early war run, there is no point in going 4 year plan
fading walrus
Or arabia without turkey
Turks and arabs are different
fresh cedar
I mean, MEFO is legit countered by RK. Thats kind of the whole purpose of that path
chrome vortex
Reichkommersets
ph
fresh cedar
Quick and fight all
fading walrus
Turks aren’t originally native to the middle east
fresh cedar
Because they want you to fight both lol
chrome vortex
are u offended as an arab?
fading walrus
In the dev diary the rk arabia needs both turkey and iran to be formed
Sounds like the borders of the Acheminaed Persian empire
hexed mango
It's like it was done by a 12 year old kid that just discovered ww2 history and wants to draw borders
chrome vortex
ottoman empire was mostly made out of arabs
fresh cedar
It’s like you don’t understand the the RK’s are set up solely to make you fight people and counter MEFO
fading walrus
turks were like 30%
Which era of ottoman history
hexed mango
It’s like you don’t understand the the RK’s are set up solely to make you fight ...
No, they are also there to make the map look cooler and draw borders for new german subjects
fading walrus
Because during the 1500s it would have included alot of Eastern Europeans
hexed mango
Not just group random countries together
fading walrus
Because during the 1500s it would have included alot of Eastern Europeans
I play EU4 alot
cobalt jay
You see its also a game performance issue the most countries the laggier the game
fresh cedar
No, they are also there to make the map look cooler and draw borders for new ger...
Functionally, no. MEFO slowly kills you, so must form RK. But, RK harder to form the further you expand so you have to decide to live with MEFO or war with more and more until Autarky achieved. That means even betraying former allies like Japan
hexed mango
"Erm let me just make rk western europe bcs idk also they won't have cores"
Instead of just puppeting france and spain separately and getting their industry and resources in the peace deal
fresh cedar
Quit your bellyaching 😂
fading walrus
@hexed mango play star wars Empire at war you can blow up planets in the game as the empire + the mods are amazing
cobalt jay
"Erm let me just make rk western europe bcs idk also they won't have cores"
Ins...
Your economy will collapse by like 42/43
hexed mango
The presented rks are NOT good no matter how much you try to cope about it
fresh cedar
Seems like the only one coping is you. 😂
solid gyro
Functionally, no. MEFO slowly kills you, so must form RK. But, RK harder to form...
Wait so it will make it harder for you to build up a good industry until you get the focus to remove it?
fresh cedar
Wait so it will make it harder for you to build up a good industry until you get...
In places, yes.
hexed mango
Since you have to capitulate them either way
fresh cedar
Though I’m pretty sure they form similar to Italian Wast Africa
hexed mango
You c an just puppet russia with all of it's cores
fresh cedar
Starting a a smaller state then you expand and can decide who you give the land to
hexed mango
Instead of making a rk out of it thag birings little benefits
fresh cedar
Little benefits?
Isn’t it like a near annex collab?
And the benefit being MEFO doesn’t tick up as fast
hexed mango
Like, you need sinkiang to form rk turkeatan, by the time you get there you capitulate russia either way so why not just puppet russia as a whole???
fresh cedar
Bc normal puppets can escape being a puppet
hexed mango
And the benefit being MEFO doesn’t tick up as fast
If you puppet russia the mefo won't tick up as fast either way will they?
hexed mango
Bc normal puppets can escape being a puppet
In what world
Are we playing the same game?
fresh cedar
War contribution, resources
fresh cedar
Resources meaning if you take a puppets resources they slowly gain independence as a feature
hexed mango
You know how the peace deal works?
fresh cedar
Know what’s funny, I’m fine with it and will enjoy it. Yet you will be miserable. This alone makes me happy
You’re way too condescending and a know it all to not find joy in your misery
BUH BYE
hexed mango
There is a button there that allows you just have resource rights to a nation you puppet
Never in my entire life had I had the problem of a puppet breaking away from me because I just took their resources or troops
You are just trying to cope with the fact that most rks are simply not good and make no sense in any way whatsoever
Not from a mechanical gameplay perspective and not from a flavour perspective logical perspective
cobalt jay
Get ALL of their resources
Except that won't work because you won't be able to get rid of Economy of Conquest
hexed mango
Except that won't work because you won't be able to get rid of Economy of Conque...
It will, if you or a subject control certain amount of resources the spirit will go away
fresh cedar
Except that won't work because you won't be able to get rid of Economy of Conque...
You need access to a threshold of resources and then you can achieve actually and remove it
fresh cedar
Was like 800 steel, 400 of other resources and I think 200 of a few
Would basically need to beat UK, Fra, Soviets to maybe get it?
If not also the US
cobalt jay
The 100 rubber will be a PITA
hexed mango
No wonder paradox can afford to put out half assed products when customers like you literally defend the bad design of certain mechanics instead of bringing it up as a problem
fresh cedar
I feel like if you beat France and England you’ll have most of that
cobalt jay
Germany gets like +2 rubber from their artificial oil though
I'm curious if refineries count
fresh cedar
It’s gotta count
solid gyro
No wonder paradox can afford to put out half assed products when customers like ...
You're judging a movie based on a trailer
fresh cedar
Refineries can produce quite a lot. Also don’t forget Indochina/Madagascar
hexed mango
You're judging a movie based on a trailer
???
cobalt jay
A single scene out of a trailer
fresh cedar
I had to block that guy, was too insufferable. Living my best life now 😂
cobalt jay
There are a bunch of stuff in this dlc that will fundamentally change stuff in Hoi IV
Like super heavies are actually viable now
ancient meteor
The 100 rubber will be a PITA
Betting on this being placeholder numbers
solid gyro
You're judging a movie based on a trailer
Don't give him so much attention, he doesn't deserve it.
fresh cedar
Wonder what the final numbers of the resources will be
fresh cedar
I'm more interested by this
What’s crazy is you can put other special projects in it
Like the super artillery
ancient meteor
I'm more interested by this
This thing will rob the supplies of local countries when it moves
fresh cedar
It’s strong but yeah supply and cost is wild
Wonder if you nuke one if it’ll destroy them so they’ll have to make more
tender citrus
I'm more interested by this
what is that bru
ancient meteor
217 soft attack on a single tank is crazy though
nimble torrent
Like super heavies are actually viable now
On god?
cobalt jay
217 soft attack on a single tank is crazy though
No, you don't understand its completely broken
fresh cedar
Kinda spooky too that forts getting nerfed
nimble torrent
Here I was thinking that 80% of the special projects will be done only once
fresh cedar
No, you don't understand its completely broken
Isn’t it like a support company?
cobalt jay
336ic for that design
nimble torrent
Isn’t it like a support company?
It is
I'm hoping they put more plausible thing
Night vision, plasma, airburst shells and proximity fuses or smth
Those were some actual war winning things
solid gyro
Those were some actual war winning things
Bomb sights as well
ancient meteor
Waiting to see the die glocke
fresh cedar
336ic for that design
Dang should be more like 1k
nimble torrent
Its like 60% the cost of a medium tank battalion for far better stats
It does seem disgustingly resource intensive tbh
Maybe it's gonna have an atrocious penalty for lack of resources?
nimble torrent
Nuh uh
It's one support batallion
I don't think it's gonna scale
fresh cedar
If not more
dense gale
I'm more interested by this
they eont
i shit u not
i complained about this
since i posted it when dev diary came out
and there was silence
cobalt jay
So 22/0 MA bricks with that as the support company...m
dense gale
So 22/0 MA bricks with that as the support company...m
yes
like oman
everyone literally said it was broken
and paradox had a whole ass month to adjust its value
like honestly where tf did their qa team go
or at lrast had players do their qa for them before they release it
stable marlin
I'm more interested by this
STATS
solid gyro
theres a 99% chance they have fixed it. I don't think content creators received the version we get
dense gale
theres a 99% chance they have fixed it. I don't think content creators received ...
no dankus say they play the release build
at least for aat
so prob same for this
solid gyro
They received the early access last week and already made videos on it, I doubt paradox would waste 1 whole week of production
fresh cedar
They tend to nerf things into the grave within the first month of release
So I’m not worried
polar bronze
The ratte seems so cool and if its nerfed into the ground then there will be zero reason to even invest in it
Then it would just be a useless feature
fresh cedar
Just like real life
polar bronze
I say keep it for the larp and make it eat supply
ancient meteor
They tend to nerf things into the grave within the first month of release
^ Like super heavy tank support companies before AAT
solid gyro
Tbh it shouldn't be nerfed just make it cost more resources and research
fresh cedar
Bet it’ll be a little of both in the end
Slight nerfs to effectiveness and cost increase
Making it marginally better than alternatives, not much better
Tbh I never watch streamers when they get content a few days early. I’d rather play and explore the content myself
solid gyro
real
dense gale
^ Like super heavy tank support companies before AAT
that part was them not undersatnding their own game
solid gyro
I watch short reviews but that's about it
dense gale
they took the same stats and turn it into a support company
so they inherited their terrain nerf
while keeping none of the stats
dense gale
They received the early access last week and already made videos on it, I doubt ...
they had 1 month
to fix it
if they didnt fix it than
they wouldnt fix it now
fresh cedar
I mean they balanced NSB and TOA quite well. Not worried
Takes time
And by time I mean time actual players have had in the game
Not their testers
solid gyro
If not at launch it'll be fixed in day 1 patch
dense gale
nsb and toa started out really well balanced already
fresh cedar
TOA wasn’t remotely balanced lol
dense gale
no where in the history of hoi did u have a equipment as broken as the landcrusier
fresh cedar
+25% division attack for Argentina
dense gale
even heavy flame tanks wernt that broken on launch
fresh cedar
Murk, once players get a hold of it and it’s explored by people in SP and MP it’ll be tweaked if needed
polar bronze
How long does it take to build the ratte?
fresh cedar
Sometimes it does
fresh cedar
We don’t really know how it interacts with supply or reliability though
dense gale
reliabilty dont work
when u reach the very low numbers
its tested in mp
untill u reach zero at least
polar bronze
It should take aslong as a shipto build
fresh cedar
Sorta yes sorta no
dense gale
reliabilty dont work
also it supply use is very good
fresh cedar
Ships can be massive because buoyancy
dense gale
0.6 only
a single medium tank battalion uses 0.25
and the ratte is as effective as a 36w medium tank
so it actually uses less supply
fresh cedar
All they have to do is tweak that number and it’s more balanced
dense gale
but they didnt
fresh cedar
Ratte should be used in high supply areas to break through stubborn defenses
fresh cedar
but they didnt
Because it hasn’t been released to the public yet 😂
fresh cedar
I’ve played since the game came out and can say that sometimes broken content is fixed after the fact
fresh cedar
Most of the actual country buffs seem pretty balanced imo
daring forge
Have you seen it in an actual division or are you just speculating
fresh cedar
Comparable to other nations
polar bronze
At the end of the day the ai is probably not gonna use it and if it really is that op then people can just ban it in mp
dense gale
like they cant find a balance between what make sense and is op
polar bronze
Like space marines
dense gale
its nonhist no disc im worried about lol
everyone is gonna run super heavies
for at least the first month
in their inf
fresh cedar
Could argue in circles about this all day. I’m just gonna wait and see, hoping that if things are scaled too far they’ll be dialed back in time
Hopefully receiving a less harsh treatment than TOA
fresh cedar
Why?
daring forge
of balancing stuff
Again have you seen this in action or are you just speculating
dense gale
Again have you seen this in action or are you just speculating
seen in action
fresh cedar
Does it not make sense for a company to make a product more appealing in the timespan it’ll sell the most?
dense gale
the ratte is the most glaring
daring forge
Have you seen the stats of a division with it in?
dense gale
Have you seen the stats of a division with it in?
yes
daring forge
Where?
fresh cedar
Paradox does this, release OP new thing, everyone buy. Nerf so next new thing OP and repeat
dense gale
dense gale
Paradox does this, release OP new thing, everyone buy. Nerf so next new thing OP...
i mean im just dissapointed they promised to do better
but instead
release perhaps the most broken dlc in years
like where is the do better 😭
fresh cedar
Again, the main broken thing appears to be the land cruiser. The countries themselves seemed pretty balanced
daring forge
like where is the do better 😭
I don’t really see your point but ok you do you
fresh cedar
TOA had super broken countries, they atleast did better with that
Are they flawless? No
dense gale
Again, the main broken thing appears to be the land cruiser. The countries thems...
yea the focus tree an improvement from toa
fresh cedar
And this will be their big Uh Oh moment in terms of units and equipment
fading walrus
but instead
I seriously dont get your argument, Rome total war, and Empire at war expanded are notoriously unbalanced
dense gale
I don’t really see your point but ok you do you
a comparative medium tank
for comparison
fresh cedar
They learned from one mistake, they can again
fresh cedar
a comparative medium tank
Do we know it’s terrain debuffs?
fading walrus
I seriously dont get your argument, Rome total war, and Empire at war expanded a...
But insanely fun at the same time
dense gale
I seriously dont get your argument, Rome total war, and Empire at war expanded a...
yea but hoi4 has a multiplayer scene
fresh cedar
If they scale up cost and terrain debuffs would be balanced imo
dense gale
yea
but on defence it will still be amzing
because u dont suffer terrain penalties on defence
fresh cedar
Feel like anti-tank divisions would make it quite a costly unit to use
fresh cedar
Seems easy to out attrition
dense gale
i just hope im being gaslighted by all the content creator that says the ratte is still op
fading walrus
Name one perfectly balanced game in which you dont spam one kind of unit
Leigonarries for RTW and Star destroyers or lukerhulks for fall of the republic
fading walrus
yea but hoi4 has a multiplayer scene
They do too albeit not as big
And honestly i dont care about hoi4 multiplayer considering its ideological shouting march
fresh cedar
Next you’ll be like “Nukes OP!!”
fresh cedar
And honestly i dont care about hoi4 multiplayer considering its ideological shou...
Pretty much 😂
fading walrus
Like that white supermasict guy who cyberstalked me for past few months
dense gale
And honestly i dont care about hoi4 multiplayer considering its ideological shou...
well u should still care about balance
fading walrus
I had to get him banned from here and the rt56 server
fading walrus
well u should still care about balance
Why though
dense gale
do u really think its fun sticking super heavies
fading walrus
I dont play mp
fading walrus
do u really think its fun sticking super heavies
It hasnt even come out yet
dense gale
It hasnt even come out yet
well its 99% not patched
fading walrus
well its 99% not patched
So…
dense gale
so moot point
dense gale
So…
so wheres the qa
u know for humankind
everyone complained how shit their balancing was and that didnt even have a multiplayer scene
pretty much killed its chance to be a civ competitor
chilly drum
Do we have a gameplay footage showing how op it is or people are just screaming at a picture?
dense gale
Do we have a gameplay footage showing how op it is or people are just screaming ...
u can tell how good it is
by looking at base stats
u can do mental sums
chilly drum
No, i don't
dense gale
buffs are multiplicative
chilly drum
I don't have the dlc yet
dense gale
Hoi4 was never really balanced
its a lot more balanced before this
chilly drum
u can do mental sums
My mental sum is that you are Sith, only dealing in absolute
fading walrus
its a lot more balanced before this
Whenever you speak I feel my faith in human intelligence dissipates
chilly drum
Yeah, what a screenshot of my current eu4 campaign too?
dense gale
to put it simply
chilly drum
Same value
dense gale
i mean what
im just saying no 8w can have 500 soft
its impossible right now
so unless paradox buff every other equipment its quite very broken
fresh cedar
Do we have a gameplay footage showing how op it is or people are just screaming ...
It’s pretty much this currently
chilly drum
so unless paradox buff every other equipment its quite very broken
Yeah, lets just ignore every other gameplay feature surrounding it
Like raids
Prototype facilities
chilly drum
The randome nature of projects
dense gale
but i dont mind it
fresh cedar
:/
dense gale
because it doesnt affect sp players
chilly drum
Lets just dump all that and scream at picture
dense gale
the rule of thumb it should be at least be balnced for sp
fresh cedar
Murk, please just wait to play it. Patience will help you a lot in processing this.
chilly drum
the rule of thumb it should be at least be balnced for sp
I wanna source on that info
And no, "I think" is not a source
dense gale
annex a
fresh cedar
I’m surprised Hethr hasn’t been posting lately tbh
dense gale
annex b
annex c
me complaining is not without reason
when 2 content creators confirmed its still broken
fresh cedar
Interesting that TOA was released broken yet was fixed. Anyways
Looking forward to SuperSonics and more research
Happy forts finally getting looked at
dense gale
people were pointing that the ratte was borken for a month
like i told u
it was broken a month ago
and u said it be fixed by release
daring forge
when 2 content creators confirmed its still broken
Tbh that just looked like feedback saying it still existed, not him stating “this is op”
fresh cedar
dense gale
Tbh that just looked like feedback saying it still existed, not him stating “thi...
in confirmed what i mean in a later satement
chilly drum
Yeah Im not going to continue this stupid argument
We will see how broken it is on release
fresh cedar
It’s a tiring circular argument
dense gale
fresh cedar
What do you want us to do? Launch a rebellion?
dense gale
and they never answered
chilly drum
On to the topic, isnt land cruiser a prototype, which itself are randomly gained?
fresh cedar
Not random
fresh cedar
It’s a special project you unlock by researching tank techs
daring forge
They didn’t answer my 3 questions either lol
There were like hundreds upon hundreds of questions so I understand if they didn’t get to all of them in time
fresh cedar
There were like hundreds upon hundreds of questions so I understand if they didn...
Yeah agreed, not mad
I’m just saying it’s okay to not get an answer
daring forge
It’s a special project you unlock by researching tank techs
And a certain number of breakthrough points too iirc
fresh cedar
murk acting like they personally hate them
daring forge
I’m just saying it’s okay to not get an answer
Yeah absolutely
chilly drum
It’s a special project you unlock by researching tank techs
?
Prototypes are still random, no?
fresh cedar
?
Prototypes are still random, no?
I don’t think so, requires breakthrough tiers basically and related research
dense gale
im just mad at what appears to be a lack of qa
fresh cedar
The QA was goofy tbh
Some people had 3-4 devs respond to them
Others none
Like “What’s your favorite music” got like 420 replies
daring forge
I mean it’s a fun question for them to answer
fresh cedar
That’s when I was like ah, this is Moreso to connect with the devs than it is to learn abt the game
And when I changed my perspective it became fine
daring forge
That’s when I was like ah, this is Moreso to connect with the devs than it is to...
Yeah you’ll know the technical details in a few days, there’s no need for everything to be handed to us now imo
fresh cedar
Agreed
That’s my mindset
And even if things are bonkers on release, they can be tweaked
Everything will be okay
dense gale
i mean they are outsourcing their qa to us 😭
chilly drum
You know, reading trough special projects dev diary...
fading walrus
i mean they are outsourcing their qa to us 😭
fresh cedar
They do a pretty good job responding on Dev Diaries
I really hope they give the FN Fal a wooden stock
chilly drum
It does requires a considirable amount of effort to research land cruisers, and you basically locking yourself out of everything else if you rush it
fresh cedar
It does requires a considirable amount of effort to research land cruisers, and ...
Yup, can be costly societally
chilly drum
Dont forget that it will have several tiers, from "why it was made" to "a picture you can scream at"
fresh cedar
You know Murk, for an aspiring nurse you aren’t handling this “stressful” situation as well as I’d expect a nurse to 😏
daring forge
I really hope they give the FN Fal a wooden stock
They might if they have time was my conclusion from that response, but ig I understand if they didn’t
fading walrus
im not even mad
Yeah you are mad
fresh cedar
I’ll be disappointed if it isn’t fixed within a few weeks of release
chilly drum
im just dissapointed
Touch grass, like fr, we dont even get to play yet and you are already dissapointed
solid gyro
I am really looking forward to this dlc i cant wait to play it in a few days
fresh cedar
Resource bombing will go so hard
solid gyro
Cant wait to build the Ho229 planes and of course mass produce the ratte so that i dont have any supply for the entire rest of the game
polar jasper
I really hope they give the FN Fal a wooden stock
FN FAL would be more tolerable if we had a 1946 Infantry Equipment tech
Personally, I don't care.
FAL go brrrr
For 20 rounds
fresh cedar
Started getting prototypes in 1947. If they had a 1947 prototype 5 years earlier I’d be fine with it tbh. Potentially possible under circumstances
But the image they had was 10 years later
STG-44 had a prototype in 1942, fal in many ways is similar, especially the earlier versions. Could’ve had a similar production pace had it not gotten absorbed by Germany
polar jasper
Belgium got a Eureka and got the research half off
Also in general, I think a 1946 inf equipment tech would be fine for the game
A little reward to help you do world conquests or particularly annoying enemies
fresh cedar
Would have to see how it’s balanced but agreed
solid gyro
AK47 would be cool, or modern rifles in general just like for planes and tanks etc
solid gyro
What’s the dev diary for today about?
Improvements and optimisation, plus showing us how big the trees are germany has like 300 to 400 focuses
dense gale
What’s the dev diary for today about?
some modding stuff
and slight optimisation
but game speed will be the same
because of new stuff from dlc
glossy finch
Any YouTubers posting yet early access Götterdämmerung
fresh cedar
Probably Tuesday/Wednesday
solid gyro
Any YouTubers posting yet early access Götterdämmerung
ISP and Bittersteel said a video will be up today. Idk what time yet.
glossy finch
Bitterstell's in six mins
fresh cedar
Rip, gotta avoid them and the spoilers
wicked topaz
I need to watch ISP NOW
Where tf is my isp video
We want nukes and we want the rat
fresh cedar
I just wanna experience them for myself Thursday 😔
wicked topaz
Also true
But I also yearn for that silly man
Silly men have my heart
So ISP has it
worn depot
Improvements and optimisation, plus showing us how big the trees are germany has...
JEEZ
solid gyro
Bokoen video is out as well
worn depot
We want nukes and we want the rat
You have bokoen atm
quartz anvil
Pydgin will have his video on Götterdämmerung on Wednesday.
https://www.youtube.com/live/-qt0vUHW8Lw?si=TnSDSrVVHySmLJYW
fading walrus
Why does Belgium have Kingdom of Burgundy borders from the 1400s
Despite the fact that the Kingdom of Burgundy was ruled by Frenchmen
Oh well I guess someone had to fill the void
fading walrus
I mean France and Netherlands have much more prestigious things to form like the third french empire and getting the old dutch colonial possessions back
fading walrus
They’re allowed to form burgundy
Also true
Now if only Belgium formed Burgundy could form Lotharingia
daring forge
also seems like the man was quite enamored with burgundy
fading walrus
Anyways Im going to play Imperial Germany first thing on the 14th of November
Then when I have it down I will play as Hungary to play as Austria Hungary
wicked topaz
Watched a few videos now and I'm pretty happy with what I see
ISP just dropped his
spice token
ISP just dropped his
Link by chance?
spice token
https://youtu.be/nDi_OAOcdXk?si=VQXSMIscJa9b6Mcv
Thank you I’m American and never heard of him before
spice token
Really? I’ve known about him since 2017.
🤣🤣🤣 I can’t say I’ve watched many hoi4 streams and hoi4 doesn’t have much action so if you don’t have the persona it’s rough to watch
solid gyro
https://youtu.be/nDi_OAOcdXk?si=VQXSMIscJa9b6Mcv
but i skimmed the video and the statue of liberty collapsing after nuke is very cool
spice token
I play a lot of mods like millennium dawn and Cold War
solid gyro
Thank you I’m American and never heard of him before
I think he's the biggest hoi4 youtuber, could be wrong
solid gyro
the worst hoi4 mods
I agree
spice token
the worst hoi4 mods
What are some better ones?
solid gyro
kaiserreich
wicked topaz
Is the fire rises not schizo
wicked topaz
Honestly the true schizo modern day mod was that extremis ultimis or whatever
I gotta play the fire rises
That message just persuaded me
solid gyro
its a good mod cause it released with all majors having full content unlike other mods
wicked topaz
its a good mod cause it released with all majors having full content unlike othe...
Must’ve been in development for a while
solid gyro
yeah focus icons are crazy
wicked topaz
I wish a lot of mods were continued
solid gyro
japan and taiwan fight china
spice token
I’ll have to check it out
wicked topaz
I liked failed Revolution but I don’t think they ever updated that one
solid gyro
basically the lore of the fire rises is that covid is Alot more deadly and some minor stuff
wicked topaz
basically the lore of the fire rises is that covid is Alot more deadly and some ...
Drop the althist lore real quick
solid gyro
like japan has a more elderly pop
spice token
Rise of nations I love the idea but will take forever to do
wicked topaz
When is it set? 2020?
solid gyro
yeah starts jan 1st 2020
wicked topaz
Oh right
So you get to do the usa elections too. Hell yeah I’m playing it
Commie USA here I come
solid gyro
you can also play as floridian nazis who nuke the entire world and then rise from bunkers
and also normal fascists
solid gyro
Commie USA here I come
one cool thing about the mod is that the events are told through the eyes if whoever you are playing as so it always seems like you are the good guys
sage verge
After so many months of Being lazy To find my Phone Number i am Back Baby!
stark zealot
i know i might get hated for my opinion
but can the youtubers stop spoiling the new dlc?!
😭
stark zealot
i am so lucky because i have school for the next 4 days
so i won't see spoilers
and then on friday
sage verge
Oh
stark zealot
🤤
stark zealot
your choice
but i will be waiting for the release
(+1 more day because of school)
thick edge
basically the lore of the fire rises is that covid is Alot more deadly and some ...
The fire rises doesn’t work on my pc for some reason
I can choose a nation
But if I click play
It crashes
lime kraken
does anyone know when the new dlc is coming?
daring forge
14th
lime kraken
ty
lime kraken
cant wait till i make a navy wall and just nuke japan, france, germany and the soviet union from usa
heavy bobcat
is there a mod that improves ai and has mod compatability?
because i'd like a challange
thick edge
is there a mod that improves ai and has mod compatability?
Sheep’s mod
The AI improves
A lot
thick edge
Ratte invasion is real
nimble torrent
paradox might have actually cooked with this dlc
thick edge
Rattes aren’t real
heavy bobcat
The AI improves
will it attack through allied land?
thick edge
They can’t hurt you
thick edge
will it attack through allied land?
Wdym
heavy bobcat
because for some reason the ai just refuses to do so for me
thick edge
Put troops in other countries borders?
heavy bobcat
makes my life a lot easier since i can death stack like 700 units in donetsk
heavy bobcat
Put troops in other countries borders?
yh
countries where they have military access for example
thick edge
I think
kindred beacon
I'm excited for Gotterdammerung but I think if you should this screencap to Leon Degrelle he would have a stroke
The Flemish fascist tree itself is fine, the issue is that Degrelle would not plausibly remain in power
fresh cedar
Spoilers gotta chill
kindred beacon
Rex and VNV HATED each other
In fact when Germany invaded Belgium Hitler used the two to keep the country divided and reduce resistance
They did a similar thing in WW1 called flammenpolitik ("fire politics") where they forcibly put Flemish collaborators in privileged positions to marginalize the French speaking elites
kindred beacon
Fire Rises is fun albeit very bonkers
Agreed, only problem is that it's pretty buggy and I'd like to see some more variation in skeleton content
Like for example Libya is ALWAYS reunited under Gadaffi's son
China always takes over Burma. Armenia always loses to Azerbaijan, which then has zero consequences because Russia puppets the two and then splits Artsakh
fresh cedar
Agreed, only problem is that it's pretty buggy and I'd like to see some more var...
Agreed. Kinda just seems like a mod that forces every country into a civil war too
outer whale
stronk
polar jasper
I think it is a little weird that Treaty with the USSR (for tank bonuses) is after Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Personally think it should be before
mortal slate
Ratte invasion is real
I have a really stupid idea for when the dlc releases
fading walrus
here we go
It looks like you get some descions before the civil war
like having to placate Raedar and the Kriegsmarine
and this descion looks like it unlocks the Communist path
polar jasper
and this descion looks like it unlocks the Communist path
Communist path is unlocked via a focus
That is just a war event
Do you want the manpower at the cost of communist support
fading walrus
August Von Macksen is a general now
he retires upon conclusion of the civil war
only 14 days now!?
Kaiser is still the same
polar jasper
You know, we could just watch the video
fading walrus
You know, we could just watch the video
I get it I'm just hyped as I have been waiting for this path for almost 5 years
solid gyro
yall
we'll get gotterdammerung soon right
but what will happen to the old german paths?
will we able to keep like some of the old tree or just the free one?
hearty blade
it'll go in my stomache
i will eat the old german path
i hope they dont reuse stuff from the old german path that'd be depressing af
solid gyro
i mean yeah that would be good but
waking the tiger does give some content for who cant afford the new dlc
hearty blade
true true
solid gyro
will we keep like the old tree mixed to the new one or the alt hist will be locked behind the dlc?
daring forge
but what will happen to the old german paths?
Old historical is removed and replaced with the new one and the old alt hist will exist for those without dlc
solid gyro
mostly cuz idk if i can afford gotterdammerung
solid gyro
Old historical is removed and replaced with the new one and the old alt hist wil...
that would be great
what i actually doubt is the dlc going on sale with autum sale/black friday lmao
fresh cedar
The DLC itself will be like $25 I believe
solid gyro
my poor, poor wallet 😭
hearty blade
probs like 20 something?
silk jacinth
probs like 20 something?
i think most expansion dlcs cost like 15 bucks a pop
but 20 is some where around that range
pseudo wing
how much would gotterdammerung cost
the prices listed next to the names are the individual prices
fresh cedar
See 😂
stable tusk
i think most expansion dlcs cost like 15 bucks a pop
DLC with extra content is like $28 CAD
Country packs are like $15
solid gyro
poor, poor wallets 
stable tusk
poor, poor wallets <:KEKW:751015759257272391>
We just gotta wait a bit for them to go on sale, it'll be fine
I think
silk jacinth
DLC with extra content is like $28 CAD
Country packs are like $15
How much sit her in USD?
Oh wait it’s 20 dollars
Nevermind discard
Personally I would get the expansion pass that includes h the future packs
But what do I know
stable tusk
How much sit her in USD?
Also discard my original price stuff
DLC is $27 CAD, TOA is $20 CAD, and BftB is $15 CAD
worn depot
What’s that I see?
? What are you seeing?
silk jacinth
36.99 for expansion is insane
It the expansion pass where you get the gotterdumn, and 2 other future DLCs
Plus some day 1 rewards
Like the song and 3 models
Plus you save 20% later on basically
rocky oasis
Whats this
They dropped the chunger at Cherbourg.
gilded hazel
its the sun
solid gyro
tired acorn
wait, does the AI use heavy tanks now?
digital mural
Wait it damages units in the entire state?!
dense veldt
Thursday can't come soon enough! I don't have money for the dlc until december, but at least I'll be enjoying the free update in the meantime.
trim quartz
Can’t wait for generic scientists
trim quartz
Is the new german focus tree coming with gotterdumn?
This
glad whale
Mb if it’s a weird question but I’ve heard people say 12th but the gotterdumn is 14th
solid gyro
Just call it the dlc
wicked topaz
I mean when I speak German and can actually say Götterdämmerung I’ll use that lmao
All dlc have little acronyms wtf we gonna do with this one
It’s one word
solid gyro
I don't remember the names of any of the dlcs
I just call em the Finland dlc, the Soviet dlc, the Italy dlc etc
solid gyro
And this is the German dlc
glad whale
I mean when I speak German and can actually say Götterdämmerung I’ll use that lm...
I am Swedish so I could prolly say it relatively well but i just saw it spelt like that by one guy so i followed suit
wicked topaz
Ah right
glad whale
Also AAT BBA and NSB all are separate words so it’s easier to make acronyms to it
solid gyro
The translation is Twilight of the Gods
hollow coral
Idk how we’re actually gonna do an acronym
Ive seen people call it GoT
wicked topaz
Having a small o is weird
hollow coral
Similiar to la resistance which is LaR
wicked topaz
LaR makes sense yeah
There’s not even an o in the dlc name either it’s an odd one to try abbreviate
Nobody wants to type ö
Not on many keyboards
hollow coral
Nobody wants to type ö
Yeh so o makes sense
trim quartz
Can’t wait for the new Gott Damn dlc
hollow coral
Can’t wait for the new Gott Damn dlc
Goat a damn a rune
trim quartz
Good dam
glad whale
Idk how we’re actually gonna do an acronym
GDR
wicked topaz
German Democratic Republic
wicked topaz
Maybe
hollow coral
They gave Luxembourg the Bolivia treatment
Hope they atleast give monarchy portraits
prisma wing
old pendant
They gave Luxembourg the Bolivia treatment
Wait is that… Flanders?
prisma wing
Wait is that… Flanders?
Luxembourg
old pendant
Luxembourg
No but If you check the opinions you see a flemish flag
trim quartz
No but If you check the opinions you see a flemish flag
That’s the fascist Belgium path
trim quartz
The screenshot is from bittersteels early access video
daring forge
Hope they atleast give monarchy portraits
thick edge
IS THAT LUXEMBOURG CONTENT
trim quartz
Art and achievements is tonight right?
silk jacinth
Art and achievements is tonight right?
You are correct
trim quartz
I’m so smart
silk jacinth
Le smart
pallid hollow
It is indeed today!
plucky crag
The only austrian new dlc gameplay i saw was from a japanese vtuber. Does anyone have austria or hungary gameplay in english?
prisma wing
Military exercice increase world tension ? 💀
plucky crag
I hope not
Because otherwise you can't do the trick anymore where you spam one cavalry and replace them with bigger divisions
outer whale
Military exercice increase world tension ? 💀
wat
pallid hollow
The only austrian new dlc gameplay i saw was from a japanese vtuber. Does anyone...
I can ask around and find out!
hollow coral
Surely there will be some small content to change into monarchist😭
I dont care
It can be a decision bruh
solid gyro
Military exercice increase world tension ? 💀
Military exercises is an event
prisma wing
Oh...
thick edge
Can Luxembourg at least get a general
solid gyro
It's part of the democratic Germany and Soviet union military ramp up thing
thick edge
Makes it look professional
trim quartz
Bolivia treatment for Luxembourg
thick edge
Get it polish treatment
silk jacinth
Military exercice increase world tension ? 💀
This could easily be exploited
gray dragon
Military exercice increase world tension ? 💀
It’s a focus
fresh cedar
Wish Lux atleast got a formable
daring forge
I mean they have Benelux, no?
fresh cedar
Yeah just meant something unique
thick edge
Let them form everything possible
fresh cedar
Well lux to Benelux is a pretty big jump. Wish there was something in-between like what Peru has, Peru-Bolivia, before going Gran Colombia
Like “Greater Luxembourg” to give a little boost before Benelux
solid gyro
distant moat
Is this supposed to be Hedy Lamarr?
dapper fjord
<:gigachad:1054023002783752283>
for family :v
dapper fjord
3d quite gud.. but the Japanese jets kinda 
(it's two engine or three to four engine..)
can provide a reference such from war thunder game like R2Y2 Keiun Kai V1 to V3
thick edge
Has anyone seen the new Stayuki video yet
I watch it after DLC comes out
solid gyro
for family :v
No friends, only family
steep dawn
the HOI4 dlc subscription -- if you pay 12.79 upfront for 3 months, that means its only 4 per month right? i hope im not misunderstanding
dapper fjord
SUper Carrier.. (prob include the word "angled deck project" as a flavour *wink wink)
pallid hollow
SUper Carrier.. (prob include the word "angled deck project" as a flavour *wink ...
As a Brit, I cannot wait to build more battleships and dreadnought 2.0 👀
pseudo wing
time to sink the pride of the fleet
pallid hollow
time to sink the pride of the fleet
dapper fjord
can feel the 4 quad gun battleship
rocky oasis
Does anyone know who this is? He seems familiar, so I assume I have seen him in a mod before.
polar bronze
Hans
icy spire
First game in new DLC Luxembourg yes?
thick edge
time to sink the pride of the fleet
I will sink ur entire fleet
And convoys
No more bread imports
dense moon
Gonna be honest, the achievements seem more lame this dlc
pseudo wing
I will sink ur entire fleet
I will break out the Teal role, you will know my wrath
obsidian horizon
Where to see the new achievements?
polar bronze
Bottom
daring forge
Does anyone know who this is? He seems familiar, so I assume I have seen him in ...
Hermann Ehrhardt?
thick edge
I will break out the Teal role, you will know my wrath
What does it do…
fresh cedar
I didn’t realize landmines were going to be a thing
pseudo wing
What does it do…
removes any ability to type and calls you Moderately annoying lmao