latest-updates

[fresh cedar]

Tech stealing rework, sabotaging facilities/forts

[craggy cave]

maybe even a operation paperclip esque mission

to steal scientists

[fresh cedar]

Killing/taking an enemy scientist would be brutal

Hope they don’t add a similar thing for generals

[craggy cave]

yeah

imagine taking Oppenheimer early as germany

since you can build multiple science facilitys

[fresh cedar]

Just permanently keep your opponents scientists at minimum level

So progress stalls

[craggy cave]

exactly

[fresh cedar]

Feel like this update will really buff the USA

[fresh cedar]

Terrible for multiplayer 😂

[craggy cave]

a competetent USA player, can just go for tech

and nukes

and then be unbeatable

[fresh cedar]

Feel like the AI will

Prioritizes tech and actually uses armored assaults effectively

[undone kelp]

The U.S. just stays pacifist the entire game while rushing nukes and ICBMs

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully North Africa is more of a thing now

[craggy cave]

depending on how devastating nukes will be i think that this will be banned in most MP lobbys

[undone kelp]

India will finally have its words backed by nuclear weapons

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

The Ratte is cracked too

Special projects in general probably not making it to most lobbies

[craggy cave]

yeah, but the Ratte does not erradicate my whole industry by 1944 from a tech rushing US player😂

[undone kelp]

The impression I’m getting is that nukes will be much more heavy of an investment rather than just letting them auto-assemble at a reactor.

In return they seem they’re going to be more powerful too

[fresh cedar]

USA getting them by 1945 which just be spooky is all

[craggy cave]

thats my feeling too. especially with the inclusion of Hydrogen bombs

[undone kelp]

I can’t see a reason to add fusion weapons unless they’re making nukes dramatically more powerful while simultaneously making them harder to get

[fresh cedar]

I often play till like 1950-1960

Do we know if there’s any collaboration on special projects within a faction?

[craggy cave]

yeah, well what really can they rework game mechanics wise?

maybe it will kill pops

[fresh cedar]

Like if I puppet a continent, will their special project research benefit mine

[craggy cave]

or delete building slots

[fresh cedar]

I’d say delete buildings over kill pops

I asked if weapons would ever kill pops like 4 years ago and got slapped hard by mods

[undone kelp]

My hunch is destruction of buildings and possibly province infrastructure

[craggy cave]

a lot can change in 4 years

[fresh cedar]

The fact that I almost got banned from the HOI4 forum for asking it and now can launch ICBM’s is wild

[craggy cave]

so perma destruction, as in you have to rebuild and no rapir right?

[undone kelp]

Having to rebuild your civs, mils, and infrastructure after a nuclear strike would make them much more devastating

[undone kelp]

Correct

[fresh cedar]

Deleting buildings could be as brutal tbh

Maybe add a state debuff too

Like what the Amazon starts with

For so many days

[undone kelp]

A nuclear strike isn’t so much “the building is damaged but fixable” and more “this building no longer exists”.

[craggy cave]

so, there would be a strategy, in targeting all major industrial hubs and supply lines of your enemy

they cant recover from that ever XD

[undone kelp]

It would probably wipe supply hubs too.

Ironically railways would probably be immune or just merely damaged

[fresh cedar]

Nukes all of the UK’s ports so they can’t leave

Supply hubs and rail should be immune

[craggy cave]

wait... a dev hinted today, that the landmarks they added would get destroyed by dropping a nuke

since they act as a building

mhh...

[fresh cedar]

Yup

[craggy cave]

yeah

[low plover]

That would feel nice haha

[craggy cave]

i think its kinda confirmed

[low plover]

Nuke the big ben

[undone kelp]

Also, Flaktowers are probably also going to be a special project too

[fresh cedar]

So deletes state and country bonus from the landmark

[low plover]

Like in the trailer

Permanently

[craggy cave]

yes, and since factoriys are also buildings

[fresh cedar]

Didn’t see a flak tower tbh

Did see Sam sites though

[craggy cave]

they get wiped as well

so yes, i think your assumption is correct

[undone kelp]

Flaktowers would fit right in as either a stat bonus from the fort special project or its own thing

[fresh cedar]

Feel like it wouldn’t wipe all factories in a state, but like a percentage

[craggy cave]

that nukes will destroy buildings

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[craggy cave]

right, and the fission weapon would up that percentage

[fresh cedar]

Would work like AA but buff it further maybe by allowing for high level aa

[craggy cave]

so fat man esque bombs would have less percentage of factorys destroyed in a state

while Ivy Mike will probably wipe like 90%

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if nukes will have options

Like area V strategic

[craggy cave]

wait

[undone kelp]

7/5 or 8/5 AA with maybe like +3 or +5 entrenchment?

[craggy cave]

didnt they added the stat "Colleterial damage" to artillery?

[fresh cedar]

Yup

[undone kelp]

Collateral damage is just damage to buildings, same way as strategic bombing

[fresh cedar]

Collat may be on more than just arty too

[craggy cave]

oh

i thought nukes would have the same stat

[fresh cedar]

Nukes are different than strategic now I think

Bc before were like strategic that hurt divisions

[craggy cave]

did the devs ever talked about i nwhat way they wanna change nukes?

i read some people mentioned some dev interview

but i cant find it

where they apperently mentioned this

before Götterdämmerung was announced

[fresh cedar]

Would be in the special project video/livestream/diary

Oh

I don’t recall anything except “Make them more useful”

Might’ve even been on a survey

[craggy cave]

a friend of mine got a survey apperently

about that topic

he told me when the dlc was announced

[undone kelp]

Also don’t forget division wiping with them too

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I remember a survey asking about nukes

Was a while ago

[craggy cave]

oh i expect that divisions now just get deleted

[craggy cave]

do you remember what kind of options they presented?

[undone kelp]

Which opens up the possibility of tactical nukes delivered by aircraft and strategic ICBM nukes

[craggy cave]

in that survey

[craggy cave]

true

i mean, we have MRBM's as well

[fresh cedar]

It was just asking if people thought nukes were effective and if changes could benefit

And sub mounted nukes

[craggy cave]

we have the whole tri-fecta

[fresh cedar]

Like not just torpedo nukes but SRBM too I think

[undone kelp]

Possibly two-three types of sub mounted nukes and maybe ship mounted too

[fresh cedar]

Really hope nukes aren’t cracked

[wind sluice]

Wasnt the dev diary supposed to be raids??

[craggy cave]

they should be cracked, but only if we have counterplay

[fresh cedar]

Yes, but swapped with Small Features

Raids next week

[undone kelp]

There was the towed V-2 silo that would be towed behind a submarine and then flooded to float upright. Only a single missile per sub though with that.

Then there’s the confirmed VLS system for nuclear missiles.

And then possibly a rail based system kinda like the launcher for sea planes.

[craggy cave]

Millenium dawn handles nuclear subs like that with their own missile system

[fresh cedar]

I already know which Landmarks Millenium Dawn will play with 😔

[craggy cave]

i feel bads for them

they worked so hard for their custom missile system

[undone kelp]

If I had to guess the nuclear missile submarine tech would be the towed silo version, and the missile launching sub the VLS system.

[craggy cave]

now its just obsolete

[craggy cave]

i think yes

they said that the it will be modules

this talks about ASM's

but he said the system supports shooting missiles from ships/subs

[undone kelp]

Here we go, the Prufstand XII towed silo.

[craggy cave]

how is that supposed to work? would they just flood the launcher and the rocket?

and then launch it?

[fresh cedar]

Imagine they added high speed trains/bullet trains that were super expensive but let you transport units via rail way faster

[undone kelp]

Basically. Tow into position, flood it so it stands upright, then launch.

[craggy cave]

interesting

[undone kelp]

In diagram form.

[craggy cave]

i kinda wanna know, how good missiles with a conventional payload will be

[craggy cave]

this is really a early form of SSBN's

oh well, another week waiting until we know how all of this will work

[undone kelp]

The angle on that diagram I think confirms the towed silo is that one special project

[craggy cave]

the nuclear missile one?

[undone kelp]

Yeah

[craggy cave]

supersonic jets more expensive then a nuke

smh

found the tooltip

okay, this will be a module

[terse slate]

Interestinggg

[undone kelp]

I wonder if teardrop hulls will be a special submarine tech too

[floral scaffold]

As in for modding purposes afaik

[craggy cave]

oh i see

well, thats great for MD

[worn depot]

The larp is real

[native herald]

So ai gonna dumb or no atm

[worn depot]

The AI will become less dumb

[jaunty yacht]

Nice, all german releasables

[native herald]

Ummm i wonder can balkanize german

Think about

[mellow rapids]

Aren't those supposed to appear in 1950-1960 ?

[jaunty yacht]

Most probably

[native herald]

New german states most likely

Remember dont trust ai

Alright

Unless they expert ai is enable its fine

[solid gyro]

supersonic small naval airframe…..

[mellow rapids]

Either the game will go further , or we will have 1960 tech in 1945

[solid gyro]

millions must rush supersonic jets

[mellow rapids]

Well I would like the game to go further maybe with a postwar system

[thick edge]

Volkshalle?

[worn depot]

It was a massive building planned to be built in Berlin designed by Albert Speer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshalle

[thick edge]

Super Berlin

[obtuse ingot]

Copycats

[fresh cedar]

Who copied it from classical Greek and Roman architecture

[obtuse ingot]

You’d think they’d copy classic German …

[nimble torrent]

Silly question for the devs
Is playtesting happening? If so can we get some insights on it like:
How many games german ai has won out of the total?

[fresh cedar]

Right, it’s an interesting choice

I think classical buildings kinda match their goals of representing civilization though

[solid gyro]

wasnt the plan for it to be renamed to germania

[solid gyro]

Yeah the plan was if the germans won the war to rename it

alr

[fresh cedar]

Which is in the game

As the Greater German Reich

[solid gyro]

i really think the leader picture of germany sucks ngl

[stable tusk]

Yup, Hitler wanted to demolish a lot of old buildings and rebuild Berlin to "Germania" his dream city
If you form the Greater German Reich, Berlin is renamed to Germania

[fresh cedar]

Like the new one?

[solid gyro]

yeah

the new one

[floral scaffold]

Probably will be much later than '44/45

[fresh cedar]

I’ll still probably use a mod as I currently do for the German leader picture

[floral scaffold]

Probs after nuclear initial tech research

[fresh cedar]

Better than the old but could’ve been more

[floral scaffold]

Devs dont interact here much

only community managers really

[fresh cedar]

Chak sometimes relays info

[floral scaffold]

You'd be better off asking at the forum

[floral scaffold]

he was asking for the devs specifically 🤷‍♂️

[nimble torrent]

oh, thanks for telling me
kinda can't be bothered to find the credentials for my paradox account tbh

[solid gyro]

im creator of hoi4 trust me:germany flipped communist every time and won ww2

[nimble torrent]

Certified Proletarian Classic

[solid gyro]

i cant wait to play austria in the dlc

[solid gyro]

Wasnt the volkshalle one of his most wanted projects for berlin or well germania?

[stable tusk]

Yup, designed by Albert Speer the literal architect of the Reich

[solid gyro]

Ngl the building looked nice would be a good new building for todays goverment officials etc i mean it would of had enough space for those

[stable tusk]

I wonder if the Taj Mahal, Great Pyramids, Parliament Hill, Forbidden City, etc are going to be on the map

[solid gyro]

Would be nice

I think they will add all world wonders in it like the brandenburger gate, the statue of liberty from what i saw in screenshots

question is

will the wonders of the world be removed

if a province is nuked

?

[thick edge]

Yes

It’s a joke

[solid gyro]

ah

alr

[spiral glen]

Hopefully

[stable tusk]

We got this

[solid gyro]

alr

[pseudo wing]

I am a dev dummy

just not a coding one lmao

[solid gyro]

das crazy

[floral scaffold]

😔 😞

[solid gyro]

how many times does germany win!!

[floral scaffold]

the trailer did show that

[thick edge]

Chak is like a Temu dev

[pseudo wing]

its okay I forgive you, Arty

but you are right its better to ask specific questions over on the forum or later this week

[thick edge]

He doesn’t code

But he devs

[pseudo wing]

thats an insult

[thick edge]

Oh

[pseudo wing]

how dare you compare me to temu

[thick edge]

Uh

[pseudo wing]

At worst I play Teemo in League of Legends

but never touch Temu

[floral scaffold]

💀

[solid gyro]

im bored which country do i start as soon greece or uh swiss

[floral scaffold]

Truly a monster amongst men for that.

[floral scaffold]

Lichtenstein WC no div

[solid gyro]

alpine supremacy path as swiss tho

[solid gyro]

hell yeah!!

[pseudo wing]

well you see, I have refined my taste since then but if someone is being toxic and playing ranged toplane I must counter them

[floral scaffold]

Real ones play tahm top

[thick edge]

It’s not even fair we all know Temu Chak is better than!

[solid gyro]

e

[thick edge]

Misinput!

[pseudo wing]

I do that too but that's an #off-topic discussion lol

[thick edge]

Lord and savior

[fresh cedar]

Should let me build a ratte that has a huge plow so I can build massive mounds for trenches

[thick edge]

Fr

[solid gyro]

dead chat scary

[faint plover]

Why are there so many Wilhelms?!

I just changed my pfp from Wilhelm to Konrad

[thick edge]

lol

[silent prism]

Do you have a problem with Wilhelms?

[faint plover]

No

He is so sigma

His mustache is what I want

[silent prism]

I actually also want to have a nustache

But something more slavic like

Speaking of
How do you like changes to AI?

[faint plover]

dont mind a good challenge thats why I always play games on hard

[silent prism]

Do you happen to use Expert AI?

[obtuse ingot]

💡 Art collecting minigame

[stable tusk]

No, the game doesn't need minigames that distract from the main gameplay

[obtuse ingot]

These would probably be mobile landmarks that you could move around to different states…

They don’t provide as much of a bonus… but you can put a bunch in one spot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Führermuseum

[stable tusk]

All your ideas seem like they would make more sense in CK or are just really strange

[obtuse ingot]

It does seem like a bit of ck3… like how relics are handled… but it is true that during ww2 countries stole many artifacts…

[stable tusk]

But I don't think that would fit very well with Hoi4, considering everything is done from focus trees and events

[obtuse ingot]

We’re about to get landmarks. They’re basically landmarks that you can move around

Invade Paris… Steal the Mona Lisa… take it to Berlin…

[stable tusk]

But the Mona Lisa wasn't stolen, and landmarks are supposed to be visual stuff only really

[obtuse ingot]

So they don’t provide bonuses?

[stable tusk]

I think they provide very small bonuses

Like +5% war support or something

Idk

[obtuse ingot]

It could also be folded in to poster propaganda stuff. You’d have posters/stolen art

[stable tusk]

They didn't really talk about it in the DD

[polar jasper]

When are paintings landmarks

Effiel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Big Ben, those are landmarks

Also what would be the point of stealing paintings

[trim quartz]

They added Prussia and another country as claims to states

We saw Bavaria before too

I’m assuming this implies you can release them and play as them

[latent gyro]

Or did we?

[trim quartz]

I’m certain we did

[obtuse ingot]

Paintings would be like posters

Providing small benefits to the state they’re in

[terse slate]

Will every country have its own landmarks

[native herald]

Balkanize Germany Confirmed

[trim quartz]

All major countries probably, and other countries with notable landmarks. The USA will have the Statue of Liberty, Germany will have the Brandenburg gate, Hungary may have its Parliament House, Vienna the Hofburg, etc

I’m just assuming what they’ll add, this isn’t confirmed

[terse slate]

So they haven’t announced anything about it

I hope it’s for every country

At least every country with focus tree

Also the « banners » thingy that lets us know what are the historical focuses

Hope its for everyone not just germany

[solid gyro]

NZ gets a sheep farm, after they complete their focus tho

[trim quartz]

Nz should have sheep infantry

[solid gyro]

Cavalry*

[jolly mountain]

In my humble opinion the economic laws shojld he changed

Being on civilian should have some benefit

There are mods like that but still

[undone kelp]

Civilian should at the least result in stability gain and maybe PP gain

[jolly mountain]

Right

I think it shouldnt debuff civilian factory construction speed

Cuz every game i find myself rushing to get off of it asap

I save up 150 pp and get off of it

[jolly bluff]

It should prob buff it

Compensates for the fact that the majority of civs you’ll be building will go to consumer goods.

[quartz anvil]

They added the actual victory point name to this window? It was not shown there before, am I right?

[worn depot]

those countries already existed, they just didnt have cores at game start

and the other country is Hannover

[obtuse ingot]

How much will Götterdammerung suck if you convert from Vic3?

[jolly mountain]

Would anyone here actually spend research to research a transport plane for just more range?

[round oasis]

ja

[jolly mountain]

Really

[round oasis]

yea

[jolly mountain]

I stand corrected

[round oasis]

gotta paratroop from greenland to northern canada

[latent gyro]

Amen brother

[harsh hull]

Why build more trains when you can build more planes

It's a very simple equation

[still sapphire]

Guys @icy maple Is not sigma

[hollow coral]

china gonna have the great wall with 58 province landmark fr👌 😤 🔥

[craggy cave]

cant wait to nuke it as Japan

[hollow coral]

👎👎👎

[severe compass]

Absolutely 100% undoubtedly yes

[silent prism]

The tags were always there
Since you have a French Focus to disunite Germany

[trim quartz]

I know, but now they’re releasable

I’ve played Napoleonic France plant plant

[silent prism]

I don't think Bayern, Wüttemberg, Rheinland etc will get a focus tree

For example, you can release Egypt, but there is now focus

[trim quartz]

Why did it autocorrect to plant plant

[outer whale]

I wanna see how city battles will be look like

[outer whale]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_the_Great_Wall

[hollow coral]

i am fully aware

[severe compass]

I'm curious what this week's surprise will be

[winter geode]

bro why did they lookmax hitler

[hollow coral]

Its from a painting so ig they could bling out hitler eithout hate because its not a real photo

Or the artists got more budget

[pseudo wing]

you cannot post irl pictures of hitler in the discord

by all means criticise portions of the game and whatnot, including the art, but its still not allowed to post actual images of them

[winter geode]

but the devs can lookmax him? alr

[pseudo wing]

All they did was update the art to be in line with all of the most recent art

[fresh cedar]

Wdym

[fresh cedar]

Me when I try to cause issues.

[simple isle]

banning outcomes? yeah sure
searching their reasons? nah who need it

[burnt sail]

right lol, looks like he got botox in his cheeks

[dense gale]

true lookmax is sigma of iron mod

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3304248394

[burnt sail]

his eyes look wierd too, it seems to me that the devs made it like that on purpose to make him look differnt than he did irl, idk tho doesnt make sense to me

[stable tusk]

In the original painting his eyes look just as bad, kinda worse

[jovial jay]

he looks handsome

🥰

[fresh cedar]

I noticed that too

[loud fog]

It’s literally such a bad portrait

[pseudo wing]

That kind of statement doesn't help, though

Its not constructive to say 'it sucks'

tell me why you think its bad

you cannot just say XYZ sucks and expect a good change when you dont mention what the problem is

[loud fog]

The iron cross is too big it needs scaled down just a little bit

Wait no

[azure python]

I mean, the portrait is fine now that the iron cross is removed. Other than that I would like to see all the old portraits redone with the new style.

[loud fog]

It’s actually fine I’m looking at it. And it looks like you did scale down the iron cross

[severe compass]

The Cross has been removed.

[loud fog]

Oh

Even better

[severe compass]

This is the latest one afaik.

[fresh cedar]

Idk why but his eyes/right eye standout to me.

That’s the only critique I’ve really had since seeing it. Love the outfit though. I’d argue the rest of the face/hair are good too

This is from a HOI4 mod which I think more accurately represents his eyes and expression. In line with the current art style

[pseudo wing]

I'll allow it, though I have no info on the other portraits

[fresh cedar]

What’s crazy to me is all the portraits I’ve seen for Hungary, and Austria have been perfect. Especially the Habsburg

[fresh cedar]

Thank you!

[thick edge]

Hitler skin colour looks off

Can’t quite place it

[native herald]

Bro that aint hitler that looks like an actor playing as hitler

[burnt sail]

exactly lol, was about to say that

[thick edge]

Barbie Hitler

[burnt sail]

or the actor who played Hitler in Downfall

[native herald]

They could make hitler portrait like this but more zoomed in

[pseudo wing]

For the newer people and as a last comment on it, although you can reference outside images, you cannot post non-game assets of hitler here regardless of context

it can be frustrating, I know, but if I allow it it opens up a can of worms to a whole other amount of nagativity that I would rather avoid if possible

[thick edge]

So no Barbie Hitler?

[pseudo wing]

no barbie hitler pictures here

[burnt sail]

sorry, thought its okay if its not actually him

[pseudo wing]

no need to apologise, I am just making you aware of it is all

[polar jasper]

What alternate universe barbenheimer is that

[pseudo wing]

I ain't jumping down anyone's throat, though it does get slightly annoying having to repeat it more than a few times a day

If I sound negative I promise its not my intention

[fresh cedar]

Is baby Hitler off limits? If there was a mod that made every leader the baby image of themselves

Had seen such a mod years ago

[pseudo wing]

it would be off limits yes, because it derails conversations quite easily

its happened before so

[polar jasper]

Anyone ever see that young fdr picture before

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

Honestly, I’ll probably just use the modded one still. Rather than have the art team edit theirs a million times

I think I found the reference portrait they originally used for the base game, and the new one seems to try and update it based on the new art style

[polar jasper]

Random thing, did you know that Belgium at this patch has FN, Vickers, and the French infantry tank MIO?

[fresh cedar]

I just prefer the man to look tired and serious? Not sure why

[polar jasper]

Wonder if they will update the shadow portraits

Ghost nazis scary

[craggy cave]

was there a weekly suprise today?

cant find anything

or was it cut, due to vic3 announcing new dlc?

[dense gale]

i mean what were the last few weekly surprises lol

i genuinely cant remember

[long ruin]

i think last week was a song?

[dense gale]

oh yea

right

[native herald]

Remeber even if ai getting rework never trust em

[dense gale]

😭

[fresh cedar]

Imagine the surprise was different horse textures

[wanton dirge]

ew i dont like that u have to research fort levels

[fresh cedar]

Wait till you learn that in order to get max level forts you need to research a special project too

[long ruin]

how often do you go above 6 in SP?

[fresh cedar]

Pretty much every game

[wanton dirge]

NOOOO

[fresh cedar]

I build max level forts to integrate puppets easily

Only 4-6 if I’m actually using them

Unless I’m baby nation then 10

[wanton dirge]

man that makes small nation gameplay harder

[fresh cedar]

I think max fort without stronghold special project is like lvl 7 now?

[wanton dirge]

this ruined my mood

im a fort fan

[fresh cedar]

AI will also blitz with armor in weak spots too now

So your weaker forts are more at risk too

[wanton dirge]

maybe tank destroyers will be worth it

i just imagine cutting them off easily with 2 of them badboys

[native herald]

They added that feature in great war mod

Redux

[fresh cedar]

Yup

I don’t mind researching forts or unlocking strongholds

Besides lvl 3-5 is good enough if you’re divisions are well made

[obtuse ingot]

Idea for HoI5:

Dynamic missions instead of trees sound like it would be really cool

[fresh cedar]

I just like how trees lock AI down historical paths

Victoria 3 is so far from historical it hurts

[native herald]

They should have used vic2 as a foundation of vic 3

Frl

[fresh cedar]

Victoria 3 is pretty and the economy is fun. But just doesn’t really feel like it’s grounded in reality whatsoever

[dense gale]

i mean the economy kinda is

its one of the most complex system paradox ever developed

only bad thing about vic 3

is its army and navy system is horrendously bad

where ur army can magically decide they need to travel halfway across siberia

which takes 60 days

[fresh cedar]

It’s like stellaris naval battles on land but worse pathing

[polar jasper]

Big fleet go smash

[fresh cedar]

Focus trees really work well for HOI4 and are integral imo

[obtuse ingot]

I could see non/trees working well … esp in non-historic setting

[fresh cedar]

I just like how even many ahistorical are still plausible

That kinda just opens the door to random insanity

[obtuse ingot]

Like if you want to import a vic3 game to hoi4… but say you have a HUGE Carthage … hoi4 can’t really handle that. Carthage doesn’t have missions

Dynamic missions allows Carthage to work

[carmine karma]

there have been some pretty decent mods for imported games, where people made trees for their nations in context of the world

[stable tusk]

Carthage isn't in Vic 3 tho so not a good example
Also focus trees are iconic to Hoi4 now, mods especially use focus trees all the time
If focus trees were removed for dynamic missions, everything would have to change so a fictional Hoi5 wouldn't have the modding community that Hoi4 does because focus trees make things so much simplier while still adding so much to the gameplay

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, Hethr you’d really have to play the game in this situation to see what we mean. But focus trees really make sense for HOI

[thick edge]

I have never seen Hethr actually play

All she does is complain

[stable tusk]

Hethr has a chromebook so she doesn't, but she thinks that since she watchs Hoi4 youtube she knows what she's talking about

[thick edge]

She doesn’t know

So she should stop

Play before u request

Like taste ur food before u season it

[solid gyro]

Mods like TNO are basically based around their Focus Trees

[barren tusk]

Civil war of Russia finished in 1938

[stable tusk]

?

[barren tusk]

I could have done in the finish 1937

[barren tusk]

My achievement

[solid gyro]

A hoi4 without a focus tree is hoi3

[barren tusk]

I saw a video of chaotic and I put in practice and it help me a lot because in the last my civil wars ended up after 1940

[fresh cedar]

I’d say hethr more like brainstorms and offers solutions/new ideas. Which is a good thing imo. Just sometimes so abstract they wouldn’t really work

[fresh cedar]

No need to be rude. If someone enjoys the game and the history then it doesn’t matter how they digest it. Just that they’re interested

[barren tusk]

Context @fresh cedar ?

What happened

[fresh cedar]

Hethr often gives input on what should be added to HOI4 despite never playing the game. But is really into history and watching people play the game. Some people in the server dislike that, especially that they brainstorm. Can often be rude about it

[barren tusk]

Ahhh

Some changes can be useful either historical or non

Like for example the researchs about fortify

[fresh cedar]

Agreed. Like sometimes there is a disconnect in what’s possible, something you’d only know from playing a lot. But still is good to have ideas coming in

[barren tusk]

To whom or where can I send my brainstorm ideas for hoi4

I have quite interesting ideas for Spain

Mini details

[fresh cedar]

I’d say bounce them around here and if solid enough post on the HOI4 forum

[stable tusk]

Wonder where the weekly surprise is?

[barren tusk]

Does the accept MD?

I know one

Chak

[fresh cedar]

Is this the surprise

[hexed mango]

weren't we supposed to get raids this week and small features next week? seems that we got small features this week, what gives

[thick edge]

Call me crazy

But that’s a Kaiser plushie

[fresh cedar]

100% is

[thick edge]

I’m buying it

[terse slate]

Didn’t the devs said germany will have a longer focus tree than italy ?

[obtuse ingot]

Looks like a YouTuber

[fresh cedar]

Instead it’s a platypus

[obtuse ingot]

Honestly though… if they got EmperorTigerstar to do a stream or something for the new DLC… 👏👏

(They did something similar with SoulTomato & ck3)

[fathom ore]

yes but paradox changed it

i think they reported it on their website or smt

[trim quartz]

I thought it was Die Glocke, it’s a Kaiser plushie

[fresh cedar]

^^^^^

10 mins

[fathom ore]

looks like minions when they worked for wilhelm

[pure storm]

would there be any halloween sale or another sale on steam for the HOI4 ultimate bundle anytime soon?

[stable tusk]

Definitely for the Steam Winter Sale and the Steam Fall Sale, base game is 70% off and all except the most recent DLCs are super cheap

[pure storm]

Ah I see, I will wait for the fall sale then, seems like only a month away anyways. Thank you

[worn depot]

they said the cycle changed a bit

I dont know exactly changed tho

[stable tusk]

Small features and raids got swapped

Other than that idk

[worn depot]

oh so tomorrow is still German Systems?

oop nvm you just said idk

[stable tusk]

Yup
According to the devs on the new DD

[worn depot]

YEEEESSSSSSS

Cannot wait to see the reichskommissariat system

[stable tusk]

"You get a Reichskommissariat! You get a Reichskommissariat! Everyone gets a Reichskommissariat!" - Germany players after doing a world conquest

[worn depot]

without a damn doubt

[undone kelp]

Reichskommissariat Alabama when?

[stable tusk]

Here maybe, who knows?

[harsh hull]

Do you reckon they'll ever add a POW mechanic in HOI4, or would that be too much of a dark temptation for the modding community?

[stable tusk]

Probably not, considering the dark abyss that parts of the modding community lurk in

Also ig that would just be a second casualty thing

And considering the treatment of irl POWs during the war, it would be better if they didn't add it

[harsh hull]

You say that, but as it stands currently, the only thing a HOI4 commander does is arbitrarily execute every potential surrendering opponent on sight

See that massive 500k casualty pocket I just closed

The difference here being only that the game doesn't really talk about that

[stable tusk]

Well casualties irl don't just include deaths, they include POWs, missing persons, and the injured
So maybe POWs are already in the game, their just roped in with other casualties because it doesn't really matter

[obtuse ingot]

What like some kind of “complete game with lowest number of war crimes” mechanic? Nah… Would be too easily taken advantage of.

[craggy cave]

we gonna be able to evaporate citiy's in the DLC. So i dunno, if POW's would be so controversial to add.

[tender bough]

This should be a quote on the loading screens: "Götterdämmerung without god" - Couldn't find the exact source, some say Oppenheimer said it, others say something else, but it was said in response to the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

[chilly grove]

Can’t have nothing in the guangxi clique man I beat Japan all by my lonesome I do all the work and all I get is like 4 tiles Japan (I got all the Chinese lands) and like half of my military is stuck in Japan since the two tiles they went to were the ones without ports and I didn’t realize so when I went to war with the ussr I was missing half my army

[brisk patrol]

Ostamerika?

[brisk patrol]

I swear I've heard smth similar in oversimplified, anyway that is literally gonna be me I LOVE having puppets as germany

[trim quartz]

When is the Kaiser plushie coming out?

[true moth]

ost is east so probably not

[brisk patrol]

yeah mb I was getting the idea of man in the high castle

[true moth]

is that what they call it in man in the high castle

ive never watched it idk

[solid gyro]

whats bad is the reichkomissariats dont get a shared tree

like the ah one for all ah nations

[hollow coral]

Not that we know of

But they may get there own tree

[solid gyro]

the ah shared tree however makes me think that independent state of croatia might be the secret tree instead of lux

[native herald]

Can we do gamer moments?

Am curious will there be like partisan revolts if you dont supply your reichkomissarts

[solid gyro]

well see

i think this will be discussed in todays dev diary

which is in around 6 hours and 45 minutes

[native herald]

We could have a more cooperative hitler letting local leaders lead the reichkomissarts

@solid gyro

[solid gyro]

true

but

honestly i think for some countries itll just be the normal facsist party leaders

[native herald]

Nah bruh

[signal cargo]

We’lll see

Theres so much they couldve done with them

[native herald]

Or they half work it

[signal cargo]

Thats possible, i guess they dont need a lot of content because theyre more later game and if theyre just puppets theyll be annexed pretty quickly by the player

[fresh cedar]

Read the top

[thick edge]

This is gonna be expensive

[fresh cedar]

$30-50 USD most likely

[signal cargo]

ouchh

Id rather buy a dlc for 50 usd

dlc cant be damaged

[fresh cedar]

Seems like majority sell for $30

Interesting it’s a platypus.

[thick edge]

Perry the platypus

[obtuse ingot]

Still reminds me of TigerStar which would be a collaboration that makes sense though.

[severe compass]

gib dovbleg

[tribal stratus]

I guess not. I don't agree to make the players see it in the game although it is better to count this data and get them back home after the war ended.

[severe compass]

I'm not sure what benefit this would give to gameplay.

[tribal stratus]

maybe the pow would cost some more civ. yeah it is a debuff.

[daring forge]

I mean the platypus is paradox’s mascot after all

[fresh cedar]

Wait really?

[daring forge]

The logo is a platypus skeleton

[simple isle]

merch, merch everywhere

[obtuse ingot]

It could be part of the peace treaty (to release them), you might have them build bridges etc.

The Red Cross also provided food, clothing and personal items to captured servicemen and observed treatment and hygiene at POW camps.

[fresh cedar]

I never realized the platypus thing

[small haven]

With the new features and technologies teased, I think it will be appropriate to increase the default research slots to 4 so more technology could be researched at the same time to reduce the overall time taken to unlock everything

[solid gyro]

i can finally die with a smile on my face with RK Moskowien and Kaukasien, and Generalgouvernment

[exotic kelp]

cant wait

to make RK OSTLAND

[solid gyro]

i can see they got some hefty inspiration from TNO lol

tho italy and france are the only non gray RKs

[cobalt jay]

I wonder if it will be possible to form Burgundy

[solid gyro]

There is going to be an Acheivement for this

[cobalt jay]

There already is

[solid gyro]

No I mean

One directly for doing the RKs

[icy spire]

At the end of this the French are gonna take a look around and be glad as hell they surrendered

[solid gyro]

italy and france man 😭

[icy spire]

I wish the color would change somehow though

[solid gyro]

they just stand out so much

What's the point of playing until your map looks like that

[solid gyro]

satisfaction

after a load of pain

[icy spire]

World conquest activates my neurons

[solid gyro]

Lets go new reichskommisariate for germany in the diary nice

It's unsatisfying to have only one country

will we get like the actual RK leaders?

like Erich Koch for RK Ukraine

Heydrich for Gotenland

[solid gyro]

I'm thinking it's maybe for Vichy and the Social Repubkic

[solid gyro]

From what i saw maybe cause the rk ukraine flag looks a bit different then the old one

[solid gyro]

They said yes in one of the Dev Diaries

[cobalt jay]

Pls let us form Burgundy

[solid gyro]

hell yeah

But I think it's only got the Historical and European ones

[solid gyro]

☠️

it should be a secret releasable imo

[cobalt jay]

Yeah

I mean we can already get the ascendency of Himmler

[solid gyro]

the poopenfarten warping into realities has finally come to vanilla hoi4

Nah Himmler takes over decisions

maybe if himmler takes over germany change the colour to a black-midnight purple?

[kindred beacon]

I am ready for ze new world order

[kindred beacon]

No because Himmler wasn't nearly as insane as TNO makes him out to be

[mortal thunder]

im worried about choice creep bloat. u have like 200 decisions needing pp while inner circle give -0.3pp seems like u have a unbalance of not enough pp to do things

[solid gyro]

time to make Mr Göring's Wild Ride a thing in vanilla hoi4

[solid gyro]

I want him to be

[kindred beacon]

By Nazi standards he was ironically more liberal than Hitler because he approved slavic collaborators in the SS

Which Hitler originally did not want

[exotic kelp]

can you play AS a RK?

[solid gyro]

He actually was one of the only ones to betray Hitler

[solid gyro]

wasnt he and the SS the main ppl behind the final solution-

Yes but, all Nazis are crazy

like the ones to first propose it

[solid gyro]

true that

[kindred beacon]

They acted on his orders

[solid gyro]

Bruh

@pseudo wing Can you please remove this man 👉 👈

bro is writing under the influence

Fr

I wonder how the AI is gonna deal with Mefo

France may be easier to play as

[pseudo wing]

man I cannot go one day without weird stuff like this

ty for the ping tho

[solid gyro]

Thanksss

Nah thank you for removing the crazies

[exotic kelp]

i wanna form RK OSTLAND

[cobalt jay]

@pseudo wing Can you confirm or deny the potential existence of a secret formable called Burgundy?

[novel panther]

Why is there no Eupen (territory, not city) or Muraköz in the new update? It has been bothering me for quite a while now

[pseudo wing]

I cannot deny something I know nothing about, nor can I confirm it

all I know is Landmarks are my new favourite thing

[cobalt jay]

[novel panther]

TNO MENTIONED 🗣️ 📢

[daring forge]

Too small and unnecessary for majority of gameplay probably

[silent prism]

Is that the thing you were not to tell last week?

[exotic kelp]

can i play As a RK like RK OSTLAND?

[solid gyro]

wait huh

we getting landmarks??

[obtuse ingot]

I want to swap out the inner circle with other people

[exotic kelp]

can someone answer this question?

[novel panther]

That hasn't stopped Paradox before from adding one province states

[pseudo wing]

yessir

[burnt sail]

Yea with console commands

[pseudo wing]

I really like the Idea of landmarks making the map more unique

the bonuses are... well a bonus

lmao

[exotic kelp]

nice

[daring forge]

When was that, most new small states have been two provinces iirc

[dull minnow]

memel

[daring forge]

And EM is like half a province at most

[novel panther]

Yes

[silent prism]

Nice

[dull minnow]

danzig

[novel panther]

But there are many more examples

[dull minnow]

and gibraltar

[silent prism]

I've read the new stuff about the Monro Doctrine

#GiveUsUSRework

[novel panther]

Asia rework is much more needed

[kindred beacon]

Yeah US stuff is good

[solid gyro]

New RK and Leaders

[exotic kelp]

nice

[dull minnow]

we're "Kinda" getting it with the country pack

[novel panther]

Nah

[solid gyro]

Japan is likely the next DLC

[novel panther]

That's just middle east

[daring forge]

Memel has existed for a very long time

[solid gyro]

And India

[novel panther]

I agree

[exotic kelp]

so in order to form a RKO you need to ocuppy the right lands?

[tardy flame]

no???

[burnt sail]

Yea

[solid gyro]

Japan, China, Mongolia, Mengukuo

[exotic kelp]

alr got it

[solid gyro]

And maybe Manchukuo

[hexed mango]

Thus map don't look so good

[daring forge]

Yeah Danzig is the only one I can reasonably come up with that is new

[silent prism]

It can be in one pack

[silent prism]

Pacifir Theatre and US

[hexed mango]

Who's in charge of the rks?

[exotic kelp]

ill form ALL Of the RKOs

[dull minnow]

yes but that doesn't stop it from being a 1 province state, just like the others, and if you want "new" 1 province state we just have to look at the islands of denmark and norway

[solid gyro]

Check DD replies they posted cosmetic of them

[hexed mango]

Turkey and iran should not be part of rk arabia

Siberia should be separate

Usa should have 2-3 separate rks

[novel panther]

We also have older ones such as the cities in Asia (Hongkong, Qingdao)

Qingdao was literally added in the last Germany update

[hexed mango]

Balkans should not have hungary or slovakia integrated

[dull minnow]

yes (they should add more so nations like nations like italy can demand treaty ports)

[hexed mango]

Nor greece

[daring forge]

I mean yeah but splitting a province for EM or adding a whole new one province state in Slovenia doesn’t really feel very worth it imo, and island states are a different case than land states imo

[solid gyro]

I think they're just cosmetic fun things

I wouldn't complain

[novel panther]

I mean if the we couldn't build a single factory in the state it would still be better than just saying it would be too much

Even R56 has Eupen

[trim quartz]

Racism added into hoi4 wow

[dull minnow]

they added a two province state in trieste so why not?

[novel panther]

How am I supposed to be able to form a true German Empire without Eupen?

[dull minnow]

it has always been there, you just didn't see it

[trim quartz]

This is mega racism powered by Rosenberg

[daring forge]

And they have a different scope than the base game

[obtuse ingot]

Who replaces people on the inner circle if they die?

[dull minnow]

most likely the player, and by that i mean you choose it's succesor

[solid gyro]

Other people in the inner circle

[novel panther]

And it still doesn't change anything

[solid gyro]

I'm lime 100% sure only one/two of them die anyway

[daring forge]

I mean yeah they could’ve potentially added a new two province state or whatever but I still don’t find it outrageous that they didn’t add a half province state

[obtuse ingot]

Think it would be nice if you could promote an advisor or something

[solid gyro]

I wonder if Hess will have a special decision to peace out England if he's leader

[obtuse ingot]

What if Germany doesn’t rearm … can it fix its economy

[quiet imp]

When will we have the Belgium dev diary ?

[dull minnow]

yeah, to be honest I wont die if they don't change it, but the historical accuracy fanatics and hungarians will continue to complain until the end of time if it isn't changed

[daring forge]

Next week

[exotic kelp]

Should i form ALL RKOs?

[dull minnow]

yes

[solid gyro]

Monday after next monday

[dull minnow]

it's the non-historical economy focus path

[quiet imp]

Finally some good news

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine Furher Helmut Wilberg….

[daring forge]

Yeah unfortunately adding Prekmurje and Međimurje could probably be possible as a two provinces state but then it wouldn’t interact well with the rest of the content with Croatia and Slovenia so I think they decided it wasn’t worth it, same with adding a new province that could be quite ambiguous for EM or massively reshaping provinces and creating a rump province and then making it a state

[next root]

Okay I'm going to be honest
I don't like the MEFO bills system, it pressures germany and systems that destroy you unless you do something aren't fun systems to me

someone change my mind

[dense gale]

i mean u can just cancel the mefo bills

when it get bad

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine a mod where all the characters are shuffled around… FDR in charge of Germany, etc.

[next root]

from the new dev diary thing

[dull minnow]

you can choose the other industrial path

[dense gale]

yea

[dull minnow]

true

[dense gale]

before

mefo dissapears once u go to war

now mefo stays

but there isnt anything that say u cant cancel it

[silk jacinth]

I like the reichkommsarits expansion more options and you do not have less than 5

Also I’d be funny if sowers be leader there are hidden focuses of like germania, the dam thing in the med, and the artificial lake in Congo

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine if Germany kidnapped Stalin before Barbarossa when he visited Germany or something

[silk jacinth]

Imagine if Germany had this thing called a Taco Bell supreme

Maybe it convinced them to don’t do bad

[dull minnow]

the germania one might happen but the other two are highly improbable since they would need new systems to alter the terrain

[silk jacinth]

Fair

[obtuse ingot]

Germany holding Stalin prisoner under the guise of signing a peace treaty…. Entirely possible … unthinkable but possible

[dull minnow]

they would just change the funny funny breaking bad substance with this during their invasions

[pseudo wing]

the true timeline of Taco Bell takeovers

[silk jacinth]

It’s just that Taco Bell dog from those old commercials

As the leader

[obtuse ingot]

It’d be like if Hitler and Stalin were signing a treaty and Hitler pulls out a gun and shoots Stalin…

[dull minnow]

they tried to to something similar with stalin's son and his OWN FATHER didn't give a damn, do you really think the soviet goverment would care about bringing the megalomaniac back safely?

[silk jacinth]

I think the pure lost of a certain organ drove him to this

The embarrassing you gotta over compensate more than others

[exotic kelp]

should i Form ALL of the RKOs

[dull minnow]

yes

[exotic kelp]

alr nice

i did download a mod which adds RKOs for ALL

[silk jacinth]

Same

[exotic kelp]

nice

[silk jacinth]

Also can someone upload the all rkos map from the dev diary

It won’t load on my phone

[exotic kelp]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2910757018&searchtext=rk+plus

is this it?

[silk jacinth]

Ye

[exotic kelp]

nice

i will use CCs in SP to annex and Form the RKOs i want as GERMANY

[spice helm]

RK+ Iives on!!!! 🔥

[silk jacinth]

Also someone upload the map for rkos in the dev diary I cannot see it from my phone

[wintry storm]

Why did they make bela kun a Hungarian ireedentist lol

[steep shuttle]

Which mega mind said we should give Anatolia to Arabia, German officials considered turkey as European nation another paradox classic at least rename it to rk middle east

[stable tusk]

Is there a lore reason Germany annexed Istanbul and Stalingrad?

[spice helm]

RK+ vs new DLC

[silk jacinth]

Wish they had suds afrika

Honestly rk+ might be better

Plus it seems like you can add more local letters or coaberators

Which thanks to the change in color it’s easier to notice

Could have had a Siberian kommsirat

[spice helm]

The Gotterdammerung borders are questionable

[solid gyro]

RK+ Ukraine looks like its stretching its back lol

[silk jacinth]

Ye idk why the southern US is weird

[spice helm]

true lol

[silk jacinth]

Rk+ you can adjust the borders of RKs for certain regions

So it can historical or non-historical

Plus the option to be SS odenstatens

[spice helm]

SS Ordenstaats for the whole world 🥶 (Paradox would never)

[silk jacinth]

True

[steep shuttle]

Another l update

[silk jacinth]

I think it’s a good idea to not put that on the base game

Sense you near the edge of having it banned for certain countries

I wonder what the flags they will make for them

Rk+ might be more interactive and more choices than the base game rks if the devs don’t intend on making last minute RKs

[worn depot]

Woooo accurate Germany ostland rk border

[silk jacinth]

Tbh I think it be depressing to live in a rk as a local

You pretty much a slave state to the Reich

You are slowly getting kicked out by Germans

And partisans just fighting within

[worn depot]

Why no Sweden and Finland and France rk?

[wintry storm]

Whaaaat really??? But Degrelle said brotherhood of evrope or whatever!!!

[silk jacinth]

I think it’s because they seen Scandinavians as fellow aryans

Thanks to there blond hair

[worn depot]

Yeah but they have an rk Norway

[silk jacinth]

Idk nazi beliefs are weird and sometimes hypocritical

[worn depot]

So that doesn’t make sense

[silk jacinth]

Idk

Maybe the Norway puppet from the scan dlc had that

[worn depot]

Well I hope that image is just outdated and they have rks for the rest of the nordics and france

[spice helm]

unified rks

[silk jacinth]

Miss opportunity for rk+ to have a collab gov to be the Russian general that bretrayed there soviets

[small haven]

Reworked Opposed Hitler?

[exotic kelp]

jesus

[hexed mango]

Yeah reichskommisariats do not look that good in that dev diary ngl

Expected much more

[exotic kelp]

should i only form the Basic RKOs?

[stable tusk]

They're showing that off in 2 weeks from now

[worn depot]

Is that a mod or shown in the dev diary

[stable tusk]

Looks like RK+

[worn depot]

Mhm

Also rks have their own flags as shown in a developer response in the forum

[spice helm]

Festung Europa has that prob

[silk jacinth]

Oh

[mental onyx]

I'm calling it, there is going to be an achievement where you need to establish all reichskommissariats

[silk jacinth]

But it should be an option in the mosvein

Rk

[exotic kelp]

i will first form RKO OSTLAND

[wintry storm]

Does anyone know if there's going to be the German invasion of Hungary like in otl in the next update?

[vagrant remnant]

Would be cool for there to be decisions for that

If they’re past a certain surrender %

[worn depot]

I do hope you can actually integrate the rk’s

But I’m doubtful since they didn’t say it in the dev diary

[exotic kelp]

I DONT want to integrat the RKs

too much hassle

[vagrant remnant]

Yeah and realistically what would you gain from it

You could just not set them up if you want the land for yourself

[fresh cedar]

Feel like separating the southern US from the rest of North America kinda makes sense. Nerfs the north power wise and divides them well

Like southern US at this point still had (and has) confederate sentiments / Dixie culture. While Mexicans could also claim this territory. Kinda divides them from the north

[worn depot]

Well if you don’t gain anything from it why bother making them in the first place and not just normal puppets where they have cores on the land

[fresh cedar]

Wouldn’t make sense to integrate with Mefo bills

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think you can cancel it anymore

[dense gale]

also true

i mean prob have to see on the day itself

[worn depot]

Wait, I’m looking over the dev diary again, can you not get rid of mefo bills?

[dense gale]

never mentioned

[worn depot]

….

Bruh

[dense gale]

so its anyones guess

[worn depot]

I hope there’s a way to get rid of it cause that’ll be quite annoying to deal with

[exotic kelp]

yes

agreed

i dont wanna deal with the MEFO bills BS

[stable tusk]

Yes, by the focus "Autarky Achieved", or the other path that's not the 4 year plan

[worn depot]

Oh thank god

[undone kelp]

At this point I await something similar for the USSR and Japan as well

[exotic kelp]

alr

[dense gale]

autarky achieved only buffs mefo

further

it doesnt remove it

[stable tusk]

It gets rid of the consumer goods increasing every month according to the video

[dense gale]

no its zero% effective change

so they are saying nothing changed

for consumer goods

[stable tusk]

It sets consumer goods to 0%

[dense gale]

No its poorly worded

[stable tusk]

@dense gale This is what it gets changed to

[dense gale]

Bulgaria has the same thing too

[dense gale]

Thats from left aide eco tree

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No it isn't, the video specifically says that this is the spirit that comes from Autarky Achieved

[dense gale]

From the last dev diary

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Just watch this video for like 10 seconds, I made it so that it starts where it's explaining Autarky Achieved
https://youtu.be/8yeitFWiN0A?si=6rLa5XGdSTdq3dq6&t=202

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Are there any countdown events in HoI4?… like you have to do X focus by such and such time or else negative effects start to take place

[wintry storm]

Considering how the mefo bills were a way to rearm Germany, they probably disappear once Germany goes to war

[dense gale]

yea ur right

but why are those two called the same stuff

[stable tusk]

They get replaced by Economy of Conquest and then Autarky Achieved gets rid of them

[wintry storm]

Ah ok

[stable tusk]

I googled translated it and it means "Economic Miracle"

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Have any devs explained why they turned bela kun into a greater Hungary proponent? In OTL, he was basically known to not want to annex conquered territories in the wars. His creation of the Slovak Republic of councils got him a lot of hate from the more nationalist guys

Unless there's documents someone could send that contradict this view

[long ruin]

how many dev diaries are left anyway?

Obviously alt Germany

And then I guess Belgium and Belgian Congo in one?

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Lemme see

Raids and systems is swapped

6 are left

[fresh cedar]

I’m under the impression that once you achieve Autarky, consumer goods no longer tick up

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I care most about the Belgian tree especially the communist branch

[fresh cedar]

Kinda but rely off negative weekly stability till a focus removes it

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Same but also Congo

Apparently they’ll be reworking some African resources

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Because Communist Belgium could break Germany

[fresh cedar]

A United Africa could be cracked

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How so

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so today is raids

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so ethiopia

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Next week Raids then Belgium

[stable tusk]

I wonder what content the Congo could have
I also wonder if there's gonna be a monarchist path

There might be

[fresh cedar]

Ethiopia takes until like 1970 to do

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Considering we all love our monarchs

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today is october 23rd tho

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So not like Ethiopia

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average ethiopian run XD

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Yes, German systems

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they said german systems and raids were swapped

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Like Ethiopia uniting Africa is actual trash, takes 30-40 years

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we already got german systems

[stable tusk]

No, small features and raids got swapped

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ooo

[stable tusk]

Today we got German Systems

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okk

[fresh cedar]

This week was Small Features and German systems. Originally supposed to be raids and German systems. Raids now next week

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Congo in game population is 7.6m 💀

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7.6 isn’t that bad

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didn't realize it was that low, thought it was more like 12ish

although toss in Rwanda and Burundi and you do get that

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I’m guessing that through focuses can get more cores or potentially all of Africa like trial of allegiance (and how some can unite South America)

And since they’re reworking African resources, atleast in the Congo. Could be fun

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That’s like South Africa I think

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Africa population in game overall is tiny tbf

which is true

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Mutapa has like 16-18m I think?

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africa didn't grow till after the war

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Think it’s 120-160 mil

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yeah I think its 150m

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Which would make it on par with the USA/USSR

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Basically my idea for Belgium is rush communism so I can print manpower and join the Comitern which means the Germans can't declare on me until Barb because Molotov-Ribbentrop, which means Germany to fight a two front war against a full strength Allies and Comitern because the Western front becomes a stalemate because Germany will never break the Maginot and Italy can't break Savoy

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ussr has more population than usa tho

[fresh cedar]

Oh possible cheese. Hope not

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150 is between USA and USSR

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And then the Americans show up and its over for Germany

[fresh cedar]

US has like 122-124, USSR like 180-190 I think?

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Also considering if they can’t conquer anything Mefo will destroy them

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Its already possible in the current version, but having a proper Communist tree would be a massive boost

[long ruin]

karl marx portrait is 500 per week or about 25000 yearly, decent for belgium but usually you would have the Netherlands and Luxembourg so its a decent boost but still only like 3 divisions a year

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t be surprised if historical Germany would be less likely to do Molotov if Belgium is communist

[fresh cedar]

900 altogether with the one 400 weekly too

Bc generic focus has 400 weekly now for commie

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Which means 46800 manpower per year

[fresh cedar]

Yup, quite decent.

Bet communist Belgium will have an anti colonialist crusade path in Africa

Whereas fascist it’ll collab with Germany to gobble sub Saharan africa

Hoping it feels similar to Portugal

[obtuse ingot]

That’s what I kinda mean with a countdown. You would have X months until Country3 declares war on you…

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Which means an extra ~140400 by the time Barb happens assuming Belgium flips mid 38, which means 10-14 more 10/0s by the time Barb starts and since the border is tiny those 10 divisions make a massive difference

[fresh cedar]

Like a war justification?

[solid gyro]

why rework it dont need a rework

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Because its 90% useless

[fresh cedar]

Includes raids

[solid gyro]

no its not

[obtuse ingot]

Kinda but more like “Black Monday”… you can take steps to prevent it…

[cobalt jay]

About the only useful things you can do with an intel agency is collaboration governments or if you are fascist breaking the US

[long ruin]

fascist gives 5% though overall with 17m combined in the Benelux thats almost a million extra mp, you have to play for a whole 18 years for it to be worth going commie for manpower at which point you already get puppets

[obtuse ingot]

We see how Espiocracy changes things

It might give people ideas

[solid gyro]

so its not useless ?

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Breaking the US with a spy is always funny

[fresh cedar]

Really depends on the country. Fascist used to give 8% extra I believe. Really nerfed it. Wish the weekly was buffed a little

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I said 90%

[fresh cedar]

Intel agencies give buffs to attacking/defending too

If you have many deployed spies

[solid gyro]

90% is useless but how 90%

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My favorite thing to do with a spy is boost fascism in the US

[solid gyro]

why not 89% or 92%?

[obtuse ingot]

Staging coups and waging proxy wars…

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All of that is available in game already

[stable tusk]

Problem is Espiocracy is focused on spies and basically is 100% spy related
And what Espiocracy does isn't going to change what Hoi4 does
I'm still interested in Espiocracy, it's on my wishlist, but it's more focuses in the Cold War, where spies were much more necessary because of the lack on conventional warfare

[fresh cedar]

Intel agencies can be useful. Like can definitely contribute to a win

I’d say 50% useful v useless

[solid gyro]

SPYING is a good feature and can be used well to weaken your enemies so that they surrender more quickly and also to find out more precise data on how much the enemy has in order to reconsider whether you want to reschedule a war with this country and you can also persuade countries to do so Joining an alliance in which you influence them which helps a player Espionage still has a lot to offer so don't talk about a rework if it doesn't need one

[cobalt jay]

The problem is most of the missions take too long for what they give

[fresh cedar]

I pretty much just spy on countries in directly at war with. Collab for big countries, and networks for ones in direct war