latest-updates

[full ermine]

yeah

[outer whale]

My estimated date for dlc realese

[rain ingot]

Never

[tacit sequoia]

That’s too fast

[obtuse ingot]

3018 is fast?

[marsh sparrow]

Might actually be it, due to this probably being a German dlc

[outer whale]

Yes

[marsh sparrow]

Where exactly are the dev diaries

[tacit sequoia]

Wait till October 3rd

[marsh sparrow]

Yeah I know , but where exactly will they be

[cyan juniper]

steam news

[marsh sparrow]

Okok

[cyan juniper]

maybe paradox forums too

[fading walrus]

Both

It will be on both

Also you should check the wiki page too

[calm bramble]

10 days!1!1!1!!!

[pseudo wing]

everytime you comment on it, I push the date back another hour

[marsh sparrow]

[outer whale]

is it true that

naval torpedos doesnt give the %75 of the damage they suppose to impact on the enemy

if it is
why

[zenith cargo]

?

[south meadow]

he is asking if torpedos give real stats

[zenith cargo]

torpedos damage ships yes. Not sure where the 75% is from. Maybe that they fire every 4 hour instead of every hour, but thats by design

[tacit sequoia]

I’m guessing it’s gonna be at 11pm? Lmao

[pseudo wing]

by my count it'll be here in november at this rate

[tacit sequoia]

NOOOOOO

[calm bramble]

Only 6 weeks left! 🥳

[warped onyx]

Wait, the announcement says that the dev diary will be released on Monday, and the news week will begin on Thursday. Does this mean that the diary will not be on October 3, but on October 7?

[stable tusk]

First diary on October 3rd then after that it'll follow the schedule, I think

[nimble otter]

i heared that when you put the armor 2 module on a light cruiser torpedos wont penetrate it does that mean they do not damage it ?

[zenith cargo]

Torpedo's ignore armor

[nimble otter]

so that means you can just spam torpedoes and wipe every fleet ?

[zenith cargo]

No, screening protects against torpedoes, and they don't always hit

[nimble otter]

oh okay that sounds logical

well thank you for your help

[marsh sparrow]

Guys

[polar jasper]

Belgium possibly getting a focus tree that will make new German players get stuck even harder

[marsh sparrow]

Ehhh, really depends on how th AI will act

and what buffs the new german tree will get

[polar jasper]

New Belgian national spirit: Neutrality will protect us! -20% attack, -20% defense, -20% breakthrough, -2% reinforce rate

+10% improve relations factor

[marsh sparrow]

💀

[rustic socket]

Fun fact: Eben-Emael was captured so quick because some soldiers where playing football, when reconnaissance spotted them and raided them (with gliders, I thought). Due to this, the bunker is in almost perfect state, for 80 years

[marsh sparrow]

damn

[hollow coral]

Cant wait to see my sweet leopold

[fading walrus]

okay I was wrong

Belgium is getting a focus tree

I thought they weren't

[marsh sparrow]

Damn what did bro predict

“Guys Bhutan is getting a focus fr”

[fading walrus]

Hungary, Austria, Germany, Slovokia and Czechs

thats what I predicted

I thought it was going to be central European

[marsh sparrow]

But

[fading walrus]

but hey at least I'm being humble about it

[marsh sparrow]

Hungary and the Czechs got a whole DLC for themselves

Soo

[fading walrus]

thats horribly outdated

they could wait

[sharp vale]

my thoughts are on Germany, Austria, Belgium and Luxembourg

[fading walrus]

At this point I agree

[fresh cedar]

Would be kind of cool to just throw Ireland in there as a way of Germany meddling in UK’s sphere

[fading walrus]

Still bummed about Czechoslovakia and Hungary

Most likely not being included at this point

[sharp vale]

I agree

[fading walrus]

But oh well

[sharp vale]

but true they prob won't be included

[fresh cedar]

Never know about Czechoslovakia tbh

[fading walrus]

It was a industrialized nation

[fresh cedar]

Watch them add a focus for Slovakia after Germany divides it

[fading walrus]

That had an army of 1 million in 1938

That could have mobilized

[sharp vale]

czechoslovak tree is so shit it needs to be remade 😭

[fading walrus]

But got screwed over by the UK and in particular Neville chamberlain

[fresh cedar]

Some of the older focuses are terrible honestly

Don’t see how it’ll really interact with a nuclear rework dlc but we’ll see

[fading walrus]

Anything before no step back is mostly terrible

[fresh cedar]

I imagine Germany, USSR, Japan and USA will get the most

[fading walrus]

With Bulgaria being a exception

[fresh cedar]

I like battle for the Bosporus. Turkey would be better if it didn’t take ages to get going

But Greece is fun too

[fading walrus]

BftB was meh imo

[fresh cedar]

Could’ve used a large scope, like an entire Balkan DLC imo. But I liked the countries that it did update

[fading walrus]

Its arguably the worst dlc

Alongside ToA

[fresh cedar]

Nah I’d argue together for victory was pretty bad

[fading walrus]

I forgot about that lol

[fresh cedar]

Adds the most vanilla focuses that lead to nothing

The most impactful one being South Africa puppeting Africa

[fading walrus]

At least ToA worked on release

On my end at least

[fresh cedar]

I personally liked ToA and appreciate how they added end game goals

Was nerfed into the grave but understandable

[fading walrus]

Worst paradox dlc at release was Leviathan

For EU4

[fresh cedar]

Some stellaris ones have had stinkers

[fading walrus]

It got fixed

Thank god

[sharp vale]

they should also try remaking the generic tree

[fresh cedar]

ToA was fixed well enough honestly

[fading walrus]

A regional generic tree

[fresh cedar]

Regional based generics would be ideal

Yup

[sharp vale]

ye

[fading walrus]

We already got a taste in Ethiopia

With all the Ethiopian releasables

[fresh cedar]

The African Union seems so weak and hard to accomplish compared to other formables

Just to core a continent lacking in everything

[fading walrus]

Yeah true

Ethiopia is better in eu4

[sharp vale]

ik that this might not happen but they should make the la resistance german states in the french napoleon tree in to releasables and also give them all a regional tree

[fading walrus]

It will happen

[fresh cedar]

Honestly like Brazil’s democratic coring. Was similar to Ethiopia but more manageable

Like Ally, puppet, core

[fading walrus]

It happened to, France, Italy and USSR

[fresh cedar]

Imagine a more imperialist USA could have something similar to integrate new states in the Americas

[fresh cedar]

USA and other European polities would benefit greatly from that

[calm bramble]

I agree

[hexed mango]

So belgium and austria are basically confirmed

[fresh cedar]

Only confirmed thing is really Germany

Nukes + Germany

[outer whale]

there was some

subtitles at the dlc teaser

"OST"

"BL CR"

OST = osterreich

BL CR: Belguim crash

[calm bramble]

Only 9 days left

I can't even bring myself to play hoi4 before the dev diary

[solid gyro]

Maybe but in german we say to austria österreich and not osterreich maybe it has something to do with an reichskommisariat? cause there is one which begins with the letter o and that is ostland once you took the baltic states and formed it

[tacit sequoia]

There’s already an Ostland focus tree for Latvia, so it’s more than likely being Austria

CR could be Czechoslovakia, but CR doesn’t exactly mean it

[solid gyro]

Tbh that morse code is kinda confusing ngl

with the letters but its fun to be keeped in the dark

[tacit sequoia]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

Uh i checked and it translates to costa rica also the CR thing

[tacit sequoia]

Damn

[solid gyro]

I guess that means we get a costa rica focus tree aswell? i mean i aint complaining but if germany is in it i thought that it be a europe dlc tbh

[tacit sequoia]

Costa Rica out of all countries in Europe?

Seems a bit outlandish don’t you think

[solid gyro]

Yeah true it really is, But the thing is if i place CR into google to see which country it could be its the first nation to come out as a answer

[tacit sequoia]

Damn

I’m still putting bets on Czechoslovakia + Hungary

[tacit sequoia]

Cuz truthfully, if you’re doing an Austria tree, you cannot forget those 2

[solid gyro]

Correct as those three nations are connected in one way or another

[obtuse stratus]

Hear me out: Croatia

[jaunty yacht]

That...

[obtuse stratus]

Maybe Yugoslavia rework

[jaunty yacht]

That is actually good

[obtuse stratus]

Something relating to a creation rebellion

[jaunty yacht]

Croatia was a puppet of the Germans during ww2

[obtuse stratus]

Croatian*

[solid gyro]

That would be a interesting plot twist ngl

[obtuse stratus]

Tying to Austria and Belgium Reichkommisarat

However it's spelled

[solid gyro]

I mean makes sense they did fight for the germans as a puppet state in the balkans

Yeah ig we will see but your croatia theory might be the most realistic one as of yet

[obtuse stratus]

Yes and I believe if Croatia revolts in current hoi4 it's fascist to and joins Germany

Also that would tie to Germany trying to get Slovenia

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah that is a really good idea to be fair

[obtuse stratus]

Thanks 🙂

I used 100% of my braincells I have remaining after hours of hoi

[jaunty yacht]

Though that means Montenegro is coming too, maybe both it and Slovakia could have a minor focus tree like Uruguay and Paraguay

[solid gyro]

Montenegro is prob gonna be a nation which has a hidden focus tree like iceland

[obtuse stratus]

That may be Italian

Since Italy has that decision if it has Yugoslavia and Albania as puppets

[solid gyro]

The thing is what could BL mean? belgium?

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah

Makes the most sense

[obtuse stratus]

So Austria Belgium and Yugoslavia/Croatia

Wait I have a theory for the Croatia thing

You know how Greece can divide turkey with France and uk

[jaunty yacht]

Belgium is one of the few missing nations, and it has very interesting alt history, there were fascists that aided Hitler similar to Norway's case

[obtuse stratus]

Maybe the axis will do that to Yugoslavia with Croatia

[solid gyro]

Oh so you mean like we declare war on belgium as germany then we get a event like they do

if we want to help them or not

[obtuse stratus]

It was also a Reichskommissariat

Netherlands and Belgium were, and they got focus trees

[jaunty yacht]

Most probably on the fall of Belgium, the King surrendered similarly to Denmark just not as fast, maybe something closer to Vichy France

[obtuse stratus]

Similar case to Denmark

Unfortunately Belgiums tree will be like Netherlands, just more modern and larger

[solid gyro]

Imagine if we get some new RKs as germany for the eastern front like Moskowien etc

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah

And Caucasus

And Turkestan

[tacit sequoia]

What if we get independent Danzig in this DLC?

[obtuse stratus]

We've had 2 dlcs with Poland expansions

That seems unlikely

[solid gyro]

But the few things which i am wondering alot are two things: the first thing is how will the new german focus tree look like my guess would be like NSB, my second question would be on how the paths will look like Monarchist, Democratic, Communist etc

[obtuse stratus]

I want an alt history fascist path

Trotsky style

[tacit sequoia]

I would think that the democratic would be split between conservatism, liberalism, socialism maybe part of that which transitions to communist branch

[obtuse stratus]

All 4 ideologies plus a semi alt history path

[tacit sequoia]

You’ll have SPD + KPD for the socialist paths

[solid gyro]

Fr i mean there where some which wanted the power from yk who

[tacit sequoia]

The chicken farmer path 😏

[solid gyro]

Fr the chicken farmer will knock on the old door and says good evening this nation is now mine

[obtuse stratus]

July 20 plot

[tacit sequoia]

Operation Valkeriye

[solid gyro]

That would be awesome but it prob be like with king michaels coup if you start losing on every front etc

[obtuse stratus]

There needs to be a balance of power system like Italy's

[solid gyro]

I never understood that system ngl

[obtuse stratus]

The current SS system is trash

[solid gyro]

Yeah the current one is just place to many divisions down from them then the wehrmacht gets angry

[fresh cedar]

Just realized how lame Fifth Empire Portugal seems now in comparison to other countries. Fifth empire can get 25% non-core while countries like Italy can get 37% non-core. Feel like fifth empire should get stronger buffs or Italy nerfed bc a factionless Portugal definitely deserves stronger buffs

That paths whole point is pretty much non-core colonial empire. Yet is dwarfed by Italy

[outer whale]

Democract could be separated in 2 branches

Weimer system

Semi constitutional monarchy

Where wilhelm rules

But the Chancellor does the most job

[lean pewter]

any news bout german and japan dlc? and any nuke changes incoming?

[tight blaze]

That's the current democratic path

[tight blaze]

The balance of power is shit

[tender bough]

Waiting for October 3rd

[solid gyro]

s o o n

[outer whale]

How

I mean

In technical way

Yes

[tight blaze]

You get constituonal monarchy

[outer whale]

One focus

Rest are 70 days forming alliances

There could be focuses about making laws

Better foreign and domestic tree

That puts Chancellor more active

I think there could be a kind of game to make nordics join us

Like netherlands

Has

[hollow coral]

Maybe german confederation formbale for germany if they go democratic

[outer whale]

unite germanic countries lol

[hollow coral]

I also would like to see habsburg path to restore hre

[outer whale]

see this katten!!!
don't make nordics countries act like
" Oh germany is democractic now i join "

[outer whale]

imo
the austria shall has it

[hollow coral]

Factions being the same ideology completely gets thrown away when a world war starts

Like you have communist turkey fight with democratic germany because they are both fighting against france

Thats kinda bs

[outer whale]

lmaoo

or paraguay joining japenese faction

[hollow coral]

Austria should chose between austrian empire and austria hungary frfr

Cuz flag gor austrian empire is cool

[outer whale]

south german confedaration

[outer whale]

Austria Hungary used the same flag as well

paradox doesnt know it yet

[hollow coral]

Yeh

But ig thats what is modt widely accepted as the flag even though its not

I guess cuz its iconic

[outer whale]

look

this is the civil ensign flag

for naval things

[hollow coral]

Ik

[hollow coral]

Cool ass flag still

[outer whale]

suggest for fixing austro hungary flag by this

plz

or make a decision catalog for choosing 2 of the flags

[hollow coral]

Russian monarchist path should also be able to choose flag

[outer whale]

ye

tbh

let players choose the flags of the countries they want to use

[hollow coral]

But i use mod to make it the iconic flag

[calm bramble]

8 days!1!1!

[wary spade]

guys the dlc is just 8 days away, I cant believe it

it's just 8 days11!!1

[calm bramble]

Who even cares about the dlc? The dev diary is more exciting

[tacit sequoia]

So true

[marsh sparrow]

Ehhhh

For now that is more important

[obtuse ingot]

What do you guys wanna see after the research tree overhaul

[fading walrus]

Middle east DLC or Japan dlc

[obtuse ingot]

Middle East 🤞
(Maybe by learning about the history we won’t repeat it)

[prisma wing]

Japan rework

[amber minnow]

question whys everyone doing light tank sstart of the game

is it for xp grind?

[astral summit]

S.E.A

Malaysia, Phillipines, add French Indochina maybe

Thailand Australia and India can be included too

An Asian update

Every minor country in Asia why not

[hollow coral]

Maybe too much

But i would expect SEA and japan dlc

[hollow coral]

Im pretty sure only iran and iraq were involved

But again they added south american

[obtuse ingot]

You’ve got the White Paper & the Israeli /Arab insurgencies leading up to 1948.

[chrome vortex]

they will add non hist shit

anyway

that seems to attract a lot of players

[fading walrus]

Because playing hist as a minor nation is boring

Imagine playing historical Denmark

When you can go Monarchist and restore the Kalmar union

[outer whale]

Japan needs a rework from 0

But primary should be Germany and surround nations

Japan would come up with a dlc that'd making naval stats better

[outer whale]

No one would want to repeat same things all over again

[chrome vortex]

that was the original point of the game

it s a good thing u can still annex denmark(for like 300pp but whatever)

[fading walrus]

most games evolve past their original purpose these days

[hexed mango]

Soon...

[fresh cedar]

Why does Italy get 35% non-core manpower whereas Portugal fifth empire only gets 25%? Seems unbalanced

Kinda the fifth empires whole thing and Italy does it way better

[outer whale]

Paradox should open a channel named

Why paradox

Everyone writing their complaints

[fresh cedar]

Less of a complaint more of a balance issue.

Fifth empire can’t even join factions bc it’s supposed to be this potent colonial power. Yet Italy does everything better

[marsh sparrow]

Wait

Is Liechtenstein a releasable?

[solid gyro]

In vanilla i dont think so but in mods certainly yes, wouldnt surprise me though if that changes in the upcoming dlc and it will become a releasable nation in vanilla

[jaunty yacht]

It has a reference in railroads, but it doesn't exists, just like Andorra, San Marino or Malta

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-i-forgot-i-forgor-gif-22449575

[tired acorn]

there is exactly 1 week till 3rd of October. Please hoi4 gods, let it be something ultra good

[trim quartz]

We’re getting Belgium content!!!!!!

Leopold III my beloved

[tacit sequoia]

Where did you find out about it?

[trim quartz]

On twitter one of the devs I believe posted something that said “completely unrelated facts about ww2” and proceeded to list facts solely about Belgium

[tacit sequoia]

Damn

[tacit sequoia]

There’s Austrian stuff also

Damn they mentioned Hungary also

[solid gyro]

meanwhile Mongolia:

[tacit sequoia]

Well, my hopes are returning lol

[tacit sequoia]

They ain’t getting stuff until the waking of tiger #2, or Chinese reworks

[solid gyro]

oh boy I sure do hope they update the british raj focus tree because WHAT DO YOU MEAN 70 DAY FOCUS FOR ONLY LEVEL 1 RAILWAY???

[tacit sequoia]

If it is to happen, I kinda expect each warlord to have their own specific tree now instead of the same focus tree lmao

[tacit sequoia]

It may happen with Middle East Addition or Asia Rework

But the raj is in the middle…

[solid gyro]

i feel like they would do the middle east last since all they did was just

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[tacit sequoia]

Man

[trim quartz]

I damn I didn’t see that

[tacit sequoia]

Dont be rude about the development of hoi4, do some mods if you want stuff to be spiced up (unless they got boring, which understood)

[trim quartz]

Ive been waiting on Austria forever

[tacit sequoia]

Hungary too lol

[trim quartz]

Austria is my favourite country

[tacit sequoia]

I already said it, but I maybe incorrect

It’s gonna be Germany Belgium Austria Hungary Czechoslovakia

[trim quartz]

Cant wait for a non RNG dependant Austria Hungary run

[tacit sequoia]

10 dev diaries a week + Q & A

Wait no

[trim quartz]

Yeah i think so too

Maybe Luxemburg

[tacit sequoia]

10 dev diaries per month

[tacit sequoia]

They’re gonna get a Paraguayan sized tree

[trim quartz]

Yup

Luxemburg I think had a grand duchess during ww2, so I think paradox would do some funky stuff with that

Because women leader

[tacit sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

People are saying Albania tree is confirmed?

Nah I think it’ll be done when Yugoslavia gets a new tree (which won’t be for a while afaik) with Romania and Greece

Those who say this is a good tree need better vision 💀

No offense to the devs tho, cuz we know you’re doing hard work with current one. But that is small tree.

[trim quartz]

I always like to restore byszantium with king George

[tacit sequoia]

I do the Byzantium as fascist Greece

[calm bramble]

Only one week left for the next dev diary1!1!1!1!!11!

[tacit sequoia]

They’re showing info on twitter

Well X but I call it twitter :p

[trim quartz]

Yup

[calm bramble]

Sick

[hexed mango]

Soon.....

[pseudo wing]

now its delayed

FOREVER

(sike this is a joke for legal reasons no one come after me)

[hollow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpson-people-power-gif-8939538

[outer whale]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IhYf44t5M0E?si=LTsVZTYjADTtXNHr

Belguim in next dlc teaser?

[solid gyro]

when austria?

[tacit sequoia]

Look on twitter

[stable tusk]

Guys, only 1 week left

Well Angelo said that first

But still

[solid gyro]

its basically confirmed on their twitter

[jaunty yacht]

I don't think so, oil in the region was extremely important, on the other hand Iran and Egypt desperately need an update... Egypt doesn't even exist

[hexed mango]

soon..........

[tacit sequoia]

you dont need to spam it brother....

[bronze hollow]

When can we get a new german Focus Tree…

[calm bramble]

How so?

[stable tusk]

Soon

Wait a week for dev diary

[calm bramble]

I can't really see anything recent mentioning belgium, but I might be metaphorically blind too

[stable tusk]

It was a meme on their Twitter mentioning Austria, Belgium, and Germany

[solid gyro]

they replied to a tweet explaining beligian history and austrian history made by a member of staff

[stable tusk]

That too

[calm bramble]

oh ok thanks

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant_Crisis

[stable tusk]

Guess this would go in #history

[obtuse ingot]

Plenty of stuff happened

[tacit sequoia]

hungary also

[outer whale]

high hopes

hope we will get new game mechanics as well

stockpiling resourches

[tacit sequoia]

true

[solid gyro]

Egypt's in africa

[obtuse ingot]

Stuff like the Anglo-Iraqi War, the Levant Crisis, operation Atlas & Operation Mammoth

[bronze hollow]

Austro hungarian empire rework?

[hexed mango]

Soon...

[hexed mango]

Soon.........

[hexed mango]

I will show it to yuo, yuo will see...

[limber reef]

Is there a roughly estimated time span until a puppet gets divisions?

[solid gyro]

It’s Belgium Luxembourg Germany Austria and Hungary

[hollow coral]

maybe czechoslovakia too?

[solid gyro]

Maybe

[hexed mango]

Not hungary

[hexed mango]

Nope

[solid gyro]

Can’t do Austria without Hungary

[hexed mango]

It would be nice

But if germant gets a rework

Be sure it will be huge

And remember that the last time a major nation got an update it was italy and then just ethiopia and switzerland came along with it

So I would expect to have germany together with austria and belgium and maybe just an ausa minor type of focus tree for luxembourg

From the tweets arheo posted it SOMEWHAT hints that we MIGHT get a fortifications update

Which would make czechoslovakia a perfect contender for that dlc if that's the case

But if czechoslovakia gets a focus tree then slovakia should also get a smaller focus tree like iceland got

There are a lot of ifs

Which makes either hungary or czechoslovakia very improbable

Obviously I would have loved to have a rework forboth czechoslovakia and hungary along with germany, belgium and austria

[hollow coral]

czechoslovakia rlly needs an update

but i wouldnt put it past them

[hexed mango]

But hungary is much more mechanically tied to romania during that time period so to speak

[hollow coral]

czechoslovakia, hungary, romania, yugoslavia and albania dlc maybe

[hexed mango]

They already had a dlc in the past together so idk if they will just copy paste thebexact same nations and sell them together again

[hollow coral]

its now incoprorated into the base game so that gives them opportunity to make more mula🤑

paradox i will buy any hoi4 dlc you put out (Except trial of allegiance)

[storm cargo]

I hope they make updates for some of the minor country's. The standard tech tree is so zzzzzzz

[outer whale]

yeah it would be nice but

would PRICE be nice

germany
austria
belguim
luxembourgh
Hungary ( maybe )
Czechslovak rework ( Maybe )

1 Major nation + 4 nations + 1 minor nation

and lets say its adds a mechanic

No step back was

1 Major nation + 4 nations

and it adds new mechanics

its 20 bucks

my guess is something arround 20-25

[hexed mango]

It was 1 major, 1 medium and 3 countries that shared over half of their focuses

[obtuse ingot]

It’d be nice to see a roadmap thing like Stellaris does

Like this

[obtuse ingot]

1: Research Tree mechanic expansion; Belgium
2: Austria focus tree: The Phoenix of Hapsburg
3: Navy expansion: Merchant Raiders and Stealing ships
4: Adventures on the High Seas: Southern Ocean, Antarctica, etc.

[wise oxide]

guys do yall think coal,uranium, and food should be a resoure in hoi 4?

[obtuse ingot]

Uranium.., yes… as part of Belgium expansion

As for rest, sure

[hexed mango]

Maybe coal and uranium

[hollow coral]

Maybe time to complete all the nuke related achievements

[polar jasper]

Hoi4 does get this every now and then

There technically already is one

[polar jasper]

Actually, maybe. Turning the game into Black ICE might make the game more annoying though

[wise oxide]

nah i mean simple resource mechanics

[obtuse ingot]

Isnt War supposed to be

[wise oxide]

uranium is for late game and coal is too important to not exist

[obtuse ingot]

War games should make war annoying and not fun at all.

[wise oxide]

just make a mod that gives the player -80% debuff on everything then

[polar jasper]

Victoria 3

Games are meant to be fun, not suffering

Making war in hoi4 annoying will kill the game

[polar jasper]

Also why do you really want Antarctica. Do you really want people to fight over 1 research base or something

[obtuse ingot]

I like Antarctica because that what history mentioned.

[polar jasper]

Now think gameplay wise

No one owns land in Antarctica

It is too far away from anything

1 guy is there at a time basically

[obtuse ingot]

I’m just saying war shouldn’t be “fun”

It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it. - Robert E. Lee

[polar jasper]

Games are meant to be fun

Going to war irl isn't

Vic 3 is an anti war game.

They made war so unfun no one wants to go to war in it lol

Or play the game for that matter

[obtuse ingot]

War is still important though….

[polar jasper]

And in a war game, you got to make it fun

Because that is the whole point of the game

Vic 3 is ar least a society simulator

War isn't the main point

[pseudo wing]

Although some people do like BlackICE, it is not approachable for many due to it's complexity

for many that is not fun and extremely stressful

[polar jasper]

Hoi4 is a war game, you make war unfun, you make the whole point of the game unfun

Why play an unfun game?

[pseudo wing]

League of legends has entered the chat

(I'm playing it )

[polar jasper]

Addiction I suppose lol

[outer whale]

If this next dlc has belguim ( it's ob )
But generally
Can u guys pls contact with bittersteel to make a video of the next dlc like he did in AAT

After October 3rd

🙏

[pseudo wing]

I dunno what is going to be in the dlc, but that would not be my department, I'm apart of the Community Team, not Influencer Management

[outer whale]

Wait that exists?

Influencer Management department

[pseudo wing]

there is, in most companies, a specific department that contacts/manages who we give early access and whatnot to, or to request videos

hence why we have those collab videos on the HOI channel

[polar jasper]

Why do I picture the influencer management guy as a puppeteer who controls every paradox influencer

[pseudo wing]

that's just me

except it's me looking to make more canada content

[polar jasper]

You shall make BBA on release look like a bug free game

[pseudo wing]

[outer whale]

I hope paradox would add more scriped peace deals

Like they did with Finland

Like

U captured leningrad moscow and stalingrad

[polar jasper]

I want a scripted peace with Japan

[outer whale]

U can ask soviets for armistice

Yes

We need that

[polar jasper]

Or just screw over China war score wise

[outer whale]

If germany is bad and u are japan

It means you'll walk from Vietnam to Iraq

[polar jasper]

So basically Kaiserreichs thing

Take all colonies and India

[outer whale]

Yes

Lets say you took India

And you say

To allies

Peace with me
Have India and Australia back

Let other things be mine

[polar jasper]

But we keep Burma

[outer whale]

Yes

[pseudo wing]

actually, I think management is the incorrect name

I think its something along the lines of Influencer Relations or smth, not quite sure. Either way, its a department that handles external collaborations and all that

[polar jasper]

Now I am thinking of this guy being a diplomat going to each influencer as if they are presidents of their own countries

[hexed mango]

Why not dota2

[calm bramble]

only 6 days left....

[pseudo wing]

because I learned league first and I honestly prefer it, though Dota has some great things in it

[pseudo wing]

now its 60

just to spite you

[obtuse stratus]

Noooo

[solid gyro]

Plot twist: Chak doesnt mean 60 days but 60 years until release

[pseudo wing]

I might be evil, but I'm not THAT evil

[hearty blade]

(60 decades)

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[solid gyro]

Fr

[fading walrus]

Not to me

My life seems to be speeding up

The years are getting shorter

[solid gyro]

Yeah time is flying past fast nowadays

[fading walrus]

Thats when you get older

I when I was 7 1/7 of my life was a year

Now that im 23 its 1/23

[analog leaf]

Same here

Im only 15 and i feel like the weeks go by so fast

[obtuse ingot]

When you’re 70 it’s 1/70

[hexed mango]

Yes bot dota 2 is more toxic and when losing a game it feels even worse since the game takes longer and your stupid teammates can ruin your games easier

[tacit sequoia]

play CSGO

deal with angry russians lol

[hexed mango]

No

Vile game

[tacit sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tbh

i wonder if the new dlc will rework the german belgium austrian and hungarian provinces even more

[hexed mango]

it will dw

I just hope that we'll get more reichskomissariats

[tacit sequoia]

cuz ik mainland belgium is only 2 states, which should be divided, Germany has plenty but if we're talking a rework, it'll probably get 20 more to make part of the hre, Austria has 5 which isn't bad but there could be more, Hungary only has 3 provinces, which we all know there's probably more coming for them.

[hexed mango]

also pls no hre

[tacit sequoia]

yes hre

its a formable, why wouldn't they add them? :3

[hexed mango]

it would be okay if germany got 3-4 hiden focuses for that

like italy got for the papal states

but I don't want much time and resourcess wasted on a larp hre path

when there are much more relevant paths they can and should add

[tacit sequoia]

man

There can be a path for a "Deutscher Bund" to elect whether to have a monarch, or continue the republic, then to remake the HRE or German Confederation, or Austria Hungary, depending on what the player wants (or Socialist Germany but that's a bit too far lol).

[hexed mango]

so hre is not too far but a socialist germany is atoo far 😂

okay man

there is ck3 you know

and ck2

[tacit sequoia]

HRE can be part of both Austria or Germany :p

[hexed mango]

I'd rather it not be part of either

[tacit sequoia]

austria more likely due to habsburg relevance

[hexed mango]

I'd rather have the following over hre:
1-3 alternate fascist paths like italy has
strasserist path
wermacht path
ss path
weimar democratic path
constitutional monarchy path
socialis path
german nazbol path even

literally all of them are more relevant than a hre path in that time period

[tacit sequoia]

yk the strasserist path is national-bolshevik right?

constitutional monarchy can add the HRE as a sub-section of the path incase the player wants to remake the HRE choosing a specific monarch like poland has to also for the habsburg path

there's too many paths you can choose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed mango]

no it's not

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[tacit sequoia]

economic far left, culture + far-right nationalism..

they're similar, but different.

[hexed mango]

yeah but it's different from strasserism, and I would rather have 2 somewhat separate but interconected paths for those 2

[tacit sequoia]

could be part of different leadership path if you don't want the painter as leader

though i think the national-bolshevik path would work better with the communist path

hre isn't as irrelevant as a socialist germany, though players should be able to form it in one way or another, hell even if its as austria also

[hollow coral]

greater hungary getting accurate provinces fr😤

[tacit sequoia]

true, hungary needs it (they were mentioned alongside austria in the twitter.)

tbh carpatha ukraine + aouthern slovakia need a split in provinces also

[hollow coral]

there isnt burgenland and croatia still long

[tacit sequoia]

TRUE

we need a major austrian split now since you mentioned burgenland lol

[hollow coral]

and you cant replicate occupied austria in hoi4

balkans need some love

[tacit sequoia]

true

even czechoslovakia also

actually

[hollow coral]

ive never played czechoslovakia actually

[tacit sequoia]

hungary czechoslovakia romania yugoslavia and greece need love, hell even albania out of all nations lol

[hollow coral]

i was suprrised albania wasnt in bba

greece has a decent docus tree but it oesnt even come close to good

[tacit sequoia]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Czechoslovakian_national_focus_tree#Strategic_Decisions_Branch

its a sad tree after 7 years

[hollow coral]

yeh the political is sad

and it has a navy tree💀

[solid gyro]

whaaat

austria was occupied until 1955

[tacit sequoia]

sadly it does

[solid gyro]

i never knew that holy shit

[tacit sequoia]

the states don't even match up, which is even worse

[solid gyro]

they dont?

[tacit sequoia]

nope

afaik, the nations that were mentioned in Arheos twitter were this:

Belgium, Austria, Hungary, and Germany

currently waiting to see if he submits more things about it, cuz i hope to see czechoslovakia or luxembourg mention lol

[hollow coral]

the youtube channel has been showing some videos of belgium and luxembourg

so im pretty sure luxembourg will get a mini tree

[tacit sequoia]

yeah

[hexed mango]

soon...

[hexed mango]

technically france was mentioned as well

the thing is, both germany and hungary were mentioned in the context of explaining stuff related to austria and beligum

so basically only austria and belgium are technically "confirmed" since they were clearly the focus of those tweets

[hollow coral]

frances tree is honestly not the greatest

[hexed mango]

yeah it can do with some smaller updates

[solid gyro]

as long as we getting more RKs and a secret one aka Burgund i can die peacefully lmao

[hexed mango]

THIS

I want nice map painting

[hollow coral]

i want better french empire flag

[tacit sequoia]

We need better states then.

[solid gyro]

we need a state overhaul frfr

cuz i want THIS

a nice little polish states overhaul

we need that nice A-A line

[tacit sequoia]

I feel like paradox should make sub trees for the Reichskommosariats

[hexed mango]

romania expanded into ukraine

also for some reason they removed rk norway

like why

[solid gyro]

is that a mf TNO reference 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[hexed mango]

no

it's an irl refference

[solid gyro]

now we just need atlantropa lmao

[solid gyro]

yeah ik xd

[tacit sequoia]

legit waiting for the releasable puppet of the generalgovernment

and a small focus tree for each RK

yk

instead of talking about what paths we want

why not make our own paths? :3

[hollow coral]

maybe some more rks other than generalgovernment and protectorate of bohemia and moravia

cuz there were ones like rk muscovia

and rk turkmen

also greater german reich dont rlly give cores so maybe some cores on soviet union would be nice

if im wrong please tell me

rk kaukasien

[solid gyro]

SS Ordenstaat Burgund

the Gamerstaat

[woeful edge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-yowamushi-pedal-holy-shit-oh-my-god-gif-15568513

[solid gyro]

They also don’t have the small about of territory Hungary gained from Slovakia aka Muravidék they should also add other Hungarian territories such as Szekelyföld, and Burgenland due to their significance during ww2

Hoi4 needs a Europe state overhaul

[hexed mango]

Trve

[solid gyro]

If they do do Hungary they need to make the fall of the Czechs more realistic

Like the Slovaks declaring independence

Than the Germans puppeting

Then maybe a war between Hungary and Carpatho Ukraine

And even potentially Hungarian Slovak war

[calm bramble]

5 days

It's the final countdown fr

[hexed mango]

it will probably start with a q&a

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1171138/Starting October 3rd.jpg

october 3rd is on a thursday

so first dev diary is gonna be on 7th of october

[obtuse stratus]

But then we'll have a stream before Dev diary?!

I think October 3rd will be the first dev diary

But then we wait another week

[hexed mango]

yeah hopefully

maybe this thrsday we're getting a dev diary

[obtuse stratus]

It's also bi weekly

[hexed mango]

and then from next monday

[obtuse stratus]

So every 2 weeks

[hexed mango]

we're gonna start having that schedule

imagine getting 3 dev diaries in a week

[obtuse stratus]

Hopefully this dlc launches by January

[polar jasper]

The DLC is never going to come out to spite every impatient person

[obtuse stratus]

It was teased a while back so

This dlc must be really different

Paradox hasn't really done anything like this

Not for hoi at least

[pure flint]

Road to 56 got it but yeah i wish it was in vanilla

[fresh cedar]

Liked the rework of South American states. Hope to see something like that for other regions

[edgy remnant]

[limber reef]

What's the best way to make a country stop resisting occupation?

[hollow coral]

Highest occupation law + spies upgrade anti partisan

[hexed mango]

5 more dayz

Soon...

[full ermine]

the wait is killing us

[hexed mango]

Hope we start with a focus tree dev diary

And not some other bs!!!

[solid gyro]

What do ye all think ei be in the next dlc other than Austria Belgium and Germany

[paper scarab]

the czechs maybe

[full ermine]

Luxembourg will get a memey short tree

and of course , Steam achievement or two

[hollow coral]

luxembourg gonna have more achievements then germany

[solid gyro]

If they do an Ireland tree it needs and achievement where they take the USA and Britain or the diasporated places

Boston New York

[full ermine]

when 🇮🇪 focus comes, PDX will definitely pull smth like that

like the German beer achievement

or Italian pizza

🇹🇷 also has conquer X territory achieve but they restrained themselves of not using kebab in the name

[calm bramble]

Every single european nation except Italy, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, the nordics and the Soviet Union

[full ermine]

or in EU4 where Azerbaijani Qara Qoyunlu/Aq Qoyunlu achievements are all sheep puns

[outer whale]

As luxemburg restore the HRE

👍

As Luxembourg conquer the world

Austria:
Reverse Anchluss

Revenge the prussian war

Belguim:
No more being road (conquering germany france and netherlands)

Or as belguim maximise your insfacture

Lmao

[hexed mango]

than*

[hexed mango]

these 3

and small luxembourg

[hollow coral]

English isnt my first language sorry

[hexed mango]

no problem kind sir

was just pointing it out

from mistakes we learn :)

[hollow coral]

👍

[obtuse ingot]

Middle East

Itd be nice to have ww1 start date … but that’s apparently hard to do

[obtuse stratus]

Game breaks when it's 1946 and the UK has been spamming divisions since 1939, imagine if they started in 1914

[tacit sequoia]

They’re not adding a WW1 start date since this is only a “ww2” game

Would be nice to see a 1930-1933 start date though, and start dates through 1941 and such

[obtuse stratus]

Realistically in totals to 5 world wars in the end

[obtuse ingot]

Yes, not much happens in the 1920s… but if you played starting in ww1, the alt 1920s would be different. You could start ww2 early if you wanted to. (what if Germany started ww2 in the 1920s is actually interesting)

[tacit sequoia]

True lol

[obtuse stratus]

That requires a rework of ai behaviour and focuses

[obtuse stratus]

They'd die because they can't conscript anyone

[tacit sequoia]

Let’s hope the modders set it up for new trees

[obtuse ingot]

I’ve always been told that ww2 is a direct result of what happened in ww1…

Can the lethality of the weapons be increased? To lower manpower enough?

Spirit of Devestation
-reduces amount of manpower gain
-must fix industry/economy for X years to get rid of

But applied to every nation involved in the war

And harsher…

[polar jasper]

You think Germany could start WW2 in the 1920s?

Or they possibly could?

They were on the verge of exploding then

Their economy already exploded

Also interwar is still boring

Some people hate playing the US because of the extra 2 years of sitting building up

You think people would do it for 20 years of sitting around?

No one plays post war content in Great War Redux except maybe Russia

[obtuse ingot]

Maybe 1923? It would probably fun to see it fail spectacularly.

Germany breaks out into Civil War pulling the surrounding nations into it.

[polar jasper]

Good luck getting war scarred France and Britain from doing anything besides defending Rhineland

They gave token aid to the White Russians and didn't do much against the Turks

[obtuse ingot]

Thats kinda the point. France & Britain would be unlikely to act

[verbal lynx]

I guess I just like doing boring things

I had a great war redux game last till 1934

[polar jasper]

Well if there is content, then it is fine for the most part.

I played Kalterkrieg and enjoyed it for the most part, and most of the game was just clicking focuses and becoming powerful for a war that will never happen

[verbal lynx]

I played Britain and did Imperial stuff

Got war goals on a lot of things

[hexed mango]

Soon.....

[tired acorn]

bhutan dlc

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

[trim quartz]

4 days to go (Australia smh)

[warped onyx]

hurray There are three days left until the announcement of the focus tree for the Bahamas for $60

[tacit sequoia]

I thought it was October 1st already near y’all

[trim quartz]

It’s the 30th

America it’s yesterday

I know they’re located in Sweden, but I think it still releases yesterday, so the day after that I get the news but it’s still the present

[obtuse ingot]

My bet is research tree mechanic overhaul somewhere between vic3 and eu5

[hearty blade]

Why would they do that

[obtuse ingot]

More focus on research… like focus trees.. expanding the trees and techs

[hearty blade]

Dont see need for it if u want a vic3 research tree just play vic3

Victoria isnt same sorta game

[obtuse ingot]

It’d be kinda more like the imperator tree

You’d have researchers which focus on specialized areas… probably Nuclear, Biochemical, etc.

You might get a Occult researcher that tries to find occult means.

[hollow coral]

no

[hearty blade]

no thanks. the researcher focus isnt that bad of an idea

but the occult researcher im good

dont want witchcraft germany

[obtuse ingot]

Its mostly to let the nerds play the Marvel /Hellboy /Indiana Jones

[hearty blade]

if u wanna play those games / watch those movies just do that

why add it into hoi4

[fresh cedar]

I would despise it if the tech trees were reworked into something like Imperator or Victoria 3.

I think HOI4 has a good tech tree going and I like the layout

[shy oyster]

Most likely would have to be done on the next game if they even wanted to take that route. Just gotta be happy that what we got works?

[fresh cedar]

I’m not sure if HOI5 will be a thing till like 2028 so wouldn’t really even consider it yet

Besides, they’ve added to and reworked the tech tree before

[solid gyro]

s o o n

[obtuse ingot]

EU5 map but with HoI4 mechanics

[outer whale]

Everyone would expect HOI5 to become like mega campign of hoi4

Starting from 1910 and going to 2000s

[obtuse ingot]

I’m down

Even 1910-1956 is ok

[outer whale]

It needs many things

Like advancing the AI

Hosting conferences

Moving together with our allies

Dept-Planning

Like ordering troops to capture individual targets and making them move to exact tiles that we want them to go without micro

Like EU4 has

Offering lands to the countries so they become our ally

[polar jasper]

AI priority to take supply hubs and follow railways would be cool

[obtuse ingot]

That sounds like a wonderful HoI5…. Heck, amazing for hoi4 if possible

[polar jasper]

This is also a nice idea, but I can see it being abused

I just miss giving land to released countries during peace deals

I used to puppet Zimbabwe as Germany and give it most of Africa because it had the name mittleafrika

[outer whale]

It could depend on country's strength

And their base relation towards to that country

Or how is the offerer country's position at

Alliance requirement thing could be expanded too

Like it doesn't sound realistic that a country joins u cuz u have same idealogy

Instead it could be considered as

Like example sending volunteers

In their own civil war

As I said offering them lands

Investing them

Friendship treaty

Etc

[hexed mango]

yo, it's time for arheo to post one last fun completely unrelated to the dlc fact on twitter...

[fresh cedar]

1936 makes sense considering that’s where Victoria 3 ends

Each Paradox game leads to another

[hexed mango]

let's keep hoi4 a ww2 game

sounds good?

[fresh cedar]

Probably could end with Korea honestly

But really shouldn’t go into the Cold War

[fresh cedar]

s o o n what? :0

[polar jasper]

I agree with this. 1948 is a good ending point like it is currently. You can play after it, but no major new content

[obtuse ingot]

🚫

HoI4 should be mostly ww2,
But no reason hoi5 can’t be ww1/ww2 or some other period

[pseudo wing]

HOI is about WW2, afaik there are no plans for other time periods.

[hexed mango]

Hoi1 was about ww2
Hoi2 was about ww2
Hoi3 was about ww2
Hoi4 is about ww2
Why should hoi5 be anything other than ww2

[obtuse ingot]

If it’s solely ww2, then ww1 should be eventually included. Because ww2 is the direct result of ww1. Change ww1, ww2 is completely different

[hexed mango]

Anf everything is a result of everything that happened before it

Ww2 is ultimately a result of the big bang

When we getting cosmogenesis focus tree

[obtuse ingot]

I’m serious… just look at Kaiserreich.

[hexed mango]

And I'm serious

Ww1 is ww1

Ww2 is ww2

They are clearly 2 distinct conflicts

Hoi is clearly about ww2

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine starting in ww1 and depending on outcome ww2 becomes more or less like Kaiserreich. Ww1 also opens up different theaters of war.

Imo, HoI should branch out into various other mega conflicts. Daodichi wars, 7 years war & revolution, 30 years war, Napoleon

[hearty blade]

i think that'd be close to impossible

theyd have to make a path for EVERY tiny situation

so if china suddenly occupies moscow in ww1 ww2 needs a whole tree around china in moscow

how would that work

Hoi should not branch out to anything wtf dude

its strictly ww2. there are other games if u wanna play with napoleon but u can use hoi4's format doesnt work for other timespans

[wise oxide]

in my opinion post ww1 to early cold war would make sence for alt history

[hearty blade]

I mean most of hoi4 is just based around when combat was sophisticated enough to like have cool stuff like encirclements with tanks happen but not advanced enough for 2 powers to threaten to nuke eachother to death. Hoi WW1 would just be holding a stupid front like IRL and hoi4 cold war would be just proxy wars or something dunno

i feel like hoi4 cant work for anything else besides ww2 cuz the game has been built around ww2

[wise oxide]

i like proxy wars as long as you dont have to send volunteers in 3+ countries at the same time. im looking at you kaiserreich

[hearty blade]

feel like that kills the hoi franchise a bit

not much actual fighting happened in cold war that'd be one boring hoi4 campaign

[wise oxide]

1930-1950 maybe? bc if the player drags ww2 or wants ww3 and earlier start for more realistic alt history ( i know it aint coming)

[wise oxide]

chinese civil war

[hearty blade]

idk how a tree could be made for after ww2

most of hoi4's trees lead u up to ww2 and then ur on ur own

but how would a tree work for AFTER ww2?

assuming ww2 can end in a year or in 20 years depending on what happens

u cant really force ww2 in hoi4 (force major stuff to happen like ussr winning etc)

[wise oxide]

post war events and demobilization/reconstruction and creation of nato and the warsaw pact and stuff and also there can be an option for ww3

[hearty blade]

That'd be very boring

[wise oxide]

i litterally dream of that

road to 56 is a goated mod for that reason

[hearty blade]

nah that'd be so boring dude id get tired of that in 3 seconds

ive never actually played til 56

most of the fun dies after 43

game becomes slow

focuses less interesting

and generally world tension becomes so high that if u even look at someone elses country they join a faction with 252 majors

[wise oxide]

the game needs balancing because the player is stupid op and bored late game tbh

[hearty blade]

i mean how would u balance that out?

u cant really force the AI to learn how to nuke frontlines or make meta planes and update the meta for each update

its just very tough

[wise oxide]

make it so you cant have 20 construction lines for example

[hearty blade]

idk that change the game so much

that stuff like world conquests would be very tough (legit achievements)

[wise oxide]

you litterally can do that easily by making a script there are mods for that (talkin bout planes not nukes)

[hearty blade]

u technically could but that wouldnt be fun for anyone really

imagine u had the best AI and suddenly german civil war the nazi dudes ur fighting start org swapping 😭

id delete the game

nuh uh im good

[obtuse ingot]

I don’t think trees would really work. It’d probably have to maybe be more like Journal Entries?

[hearty blade]

if u wanna play against actual good AI just play multiplayer most of those dudes only have a few voicelines so basically just more intelligent AIs

[hearty blade]

point of hoi4 is the trees

[wise oxide]

i litterally dont use my brain late game. also when doing barbarossa when i think it takes a year or 2 but when i battleplan and micro in the beginning and then just select all my army to walk into victory points to kill them fast and the ai cant even defend its cappital

[wise oxide]

events are also very important

[hearty blade]

events usually come from the trees

dunno sounds very optimistic but at the same time very undoable

[hearty blade]

especially because of this

[wise oxide]

to be honest all i want is the ai to become better and rework outdated trees

[hearty blade]

Making ai better is very hard cuz do u want them to be better in a realistic sense

or do u want them to be better in a they abuse meta and org swap sense

[wise oxide]

i want them not to make comedic mistakes as forgetting about new frontlines , not ending a war by walking into an empty capital, and not retreating when obiously about to get encircled

[obtuse ingot]

Trees acting more like goalposts (I guess a bit like eu4)… achieve x goal to unlock the next one, that sort of thing

Is what I was meaning

[wise oxide]

and suicidal naval invasions

[hearty blade]

I dont see that working in hoi4 tbh

[obtuse ingot]

Esp. In post-war

[hearty blade]

But how in gods name do u do that

[hearty blade]

post war should never even be considered tbh

So unbelievably boring it sounds

0 war 0 conflict

world split in 2

[wise oxide]

make them plan better just like players do

[hearty blade]

but thats hard to make the AI plan better how do u script that in 😭

[obtuse ingot]

You played ww2 and didn’t change anything

[hearty blade]

u cant just like script out mistakes

[wise oxide]

are you kidding me? go learn cold war history

[hearty blade]

Are u kidding me 2 proxy wars that could never go too far cuz if it did one of the parties would nuke the other

[hearty blade]

but then i go back to my point

[wise oxide]

by scripting invading with more than a few weak divisions and invade and surround a port

[hearty blade]

u would need something

for EVERY ending

of ww2

Tuna tuva world conquest post war focus tree?

stuff like germany wins allies win soviet domination etc i can see happening

but to make something that has SO many endings is very difficult

[hearty blade]

if u want an actual good opponent

just play multiplayer

[wise oxide]

ussr got nukes in 49 and the chinese civil war is litterally huge and also korea and vietnam and the arab israeli wars. also post war can also have alt history + what if germany won?

[hearty blade]

every chinese civil war is huge first of all

vietnam takes place in the 70s

[wise oxide]

no way

[hearty blade]

how would that work

u want hoi4 to continue to 2034 it seems

[wise oxide]

dont have to be 100% historical

[hearty blade]

game would run at half a frame a minute

korea is a small scale conflict

what about that is interesting in a hoi4 sense

[wise oxide]

not if you do a demobilization like great war redux mod

[hearty blade]

but if u do demobiliization u cant even justify war

in great war redux u cant even declare war after ww1 ends

[obtuse ingot]

I remember someone talking about Ai generated focus trees. That can like… read the history of imported game and make custom trees for it

[hearty blade]

the point of that is to make the game END and not to enter a new chapter where the great war redux suddenly prepares u for like ww2

[hearty blade]

but this would have to be done mid game

but AI isnt even smart enough to understand that humans have 5 fingers and not 6 or whatever they do when u generate a picture

let alone getting them to prepare thousands of focuses for every country

[obtuse ingot]

Treaties could generate new trees

[polar jasper]

Here is the problem of making Hoi4 a WW1 and WW2 game

1919-1939

[wise oxide]

its not 2023 anymore

[hearty blade]

that too

[obtuse ingot]

Like if one party thinks they got a bad deal in a treaty… a revenge-focus could be made

[polar jasper]

1936-1939 is a good build up phase for WW2

[wise oxide]

have you seen the new ai videos?

[hearty blade]

but that would again

[hearty blade]

how do u plan on training the AI

on making hoi4 focus trees 😭

[polar jasper]

Theoretically building up for WW2 from 1919 would be busted

It is hard to make a war game have a fun peace element

[hearty blade]

EXACTLY

thank you

glad someone understands me

[polar jasper]

Everything is geared for war

[hearty blade]

cuz the point of hoi4 is fighting

[polar jasper]

Build up is geared for war

[hearty blade]

u build up to fight

yeah

[polar jasper]

The moment ww2 or a very quickly followed ww3 stops, game done

You start a new game

[hearty blade]

but then 1919- 1938 would be VERY boring

[wise oxide]

ai can make a concept of a focus tree if trained to do so but a player should balance and make it himself. but the ai could potentionally make the code to be copy pasted

[hearty blade]

assuming the game starts in around

1910

in 1920 the game would go so slow

that getting to ww2

would take atleast a year IRL time

[wise oxide]

no it wont litterally so much potentional and so many wars

[polar jasper]

Also WW1 combat is different for WW2

[hearty blade]

u legit said

this

[hearty blade]

.

[polar jasper]

Separate WW1 game fine, separate WW2 game fine

[hearty blade]

the point of that was that every country either demobilized themselves

or was forced to

cuz they lost

[polar jasper]

Who wants to demobilize

[hearty blade]

u cant suddenly start another war after a world war

[wise oxide]

dont have to be as extreme as gwredux

[hearty blade]

but then that would go against the sorta historical accuracy of the game

[polar jasper]

There is no incentive in HOI4 or most mods to demobilize

[hearty blade]

Exactly

[polar jasper]

Some mods are smart in making higher mobilization laws drop stability and war support over time

Forcing the economy to demobilize after awhile

[hearty blade]

but that'd make ww2 start in 1920 if it was up to the player

[wise oxide]

we need hoi 5 with a 3d globe

[hearty blade]

again the point of the game is to fight

if u do both wars u need some sort of stop for one war toend

[polar jasper]

I'd be fine with this, but it better still be a war game

[hearty blade]

and the other to begin

[polar jasper]

Victoria handles WW1 better than HOI mods handle WW1

[hearty blade]

And again you'd have a gazillion focuses and researches

[polar jasper]

Victoria handles Cold War better than HOI mods too I believe

[hearty blade]

Victoria is just a whole different game

thats like if dudes who play victoria requested a ww2 mod 😭

how would that work

thats what u guys are doing rn

[wise oxide]

focus_tree = {
id = generic_political_focus

focus = {
    id = "generic_political_focus_start"
    x = 0
    y = 0
    cost = 10
    available = {
        has_government = democratic
    }
    focus = {
        set_political_power = 150
        add_political_influence = 1
        complete_focus = "generic_political_focus_democracy"
    }
}

focus = {
    id = "generic_political_focus_democracy" i just ai generated this

would it work? idk

[polar jasper]

Political influence?

+150 political power?

[hearty blade]

what is political influence

😭

[polar jasper]

WPA with a feature not even in the game