latest-updates

[tight blaze]

Technically the one in uk

[full ermine]

oh ok, Belfast and all that jazz if i remember correctly

[tight blaze]

Yeah I am from Belfast

[full ermine]

what can you tell me about Pro-Treaty and Anti-Treaty forces

i would like to more about Irish Civil War and Troubles

[tight blaze]

We don't learn much about the Irish civil war

Mostly about the troubles

And I'm ngl I don't know a whole lot

[full ermine]

i am not from the EU , so we havent been really taught about this back here

i only know from outside media

[tight blaze]

I have stories from the troubles but not like knowledge

My grandad stole a British soldiers gun when he was detained 🥶

[tight blaze]

Well I mean

It was a war for Catholic rights

Catholics in the 1960s were treated like black people in the USA at the time

Treated unequally

So there were marches and protests and the british fired on the protesters

[full ermine]

have you had any beef with Scots since they are predominantly Protestant?

[tight blaze]

Nah scots are chill

I don't have a problem with protestants

Only ones that are actively anti Irish

[full ermine]

is it like a three way war
or more like united by disdain for British imperialism?

[tight blaze]

Wdym a three way war

It was republicans/nationalists fighting the british army and loyalist paramilitaries

[full ermine]

Protestant Scots hate the guts of the Crown, historically i believe

but i suspect anti-Irish Scots were minority, yes?

[tight blaze]

Yeah

Well

Ulster-scots are kinda a thing

They are kind of just unionists

Gtg to school

[full ermine]

so by HoI4 terms, they are vocal supporters of the BuF then

[full ermine]

yeah take care man 👋

[tight blaze]

Cya

[swift mortar]

To put it very simply: pro treaty liked the agreement with Britain to get independence after the war. Anti-treaty is people that didn’t agree with the treaty since they wouldn’t have Northern Ireland

And they think they deserved more from their efforts

So right after independence they had a civil war

[swift mortar]

And they though it was a betrayal by their fellow Irish men

[obtuse ingot]

Germany + Navy Rework

Japan + Resistance/Occupation rework

Would be interesting twist

[barren thicket]

Navy rework makes no sense since it’s apart of man of guns

[obtuse ingot]

If they’re adding German merchant raiders & mutiny that’d fit

[south meadow]

why would resistance occupation even matter

[fresh cedar]

Japan should come with the navy rework and Germany resistance. While U-Boats were German, navy was kind of japans whole thing as an island nation

[last estuary]

Yeah

[obtuse ingot]

Japan’s occupation by the US after ww2…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan

Occupation/Restructuring would be a huge addition to post-game

[full ermine]

i agree

game desperately needs late-game content

[fresh cedar]

I agree with late game content, but feel that would deal more with diplomacy and peace conferences than occupation. Germany would definitely make more sense for an occupation update

Especially since it was carved up post war by the different powers

[obtuse ingot]

Shouldn’t just focus on Germany situation. Something applicable to any nation would be best

Like the UK being split up.

Should HoI4 get minigames?

Navy Battle: Battleship minigame pops up

Spy mission: Have to solve a cryptogram

[wicked yoke]

No that would be very annoying and doesent really fit in with the game

[hollow lion]

Yeh

[wicked yoke]

If they ever plan of hoi5 i really want to be able to zoom into the actual battle, like actually seeing the soldiers shoot eachother and tanks rolling into cities, and if they also add a ww1 mode then it would be so cool to be able to see trench battles occur infront of your eyes, that single thing would make me buy the game even if it was 100$

Like seeing tank divisions role out onto the battlefield and destroy the enemy

[stable tusk]

Bro I am NOT going to want to play Battleship when I'm already trying to fight the Soviets and carry the Italians in Africa
Or at all in a MP game

[cyan juniper]

clausewitz engine:

[wicked yoke]

nah but it would unload everything else

like the front would be covered by clouds

well i guess it would still be laggy

but thats not my problem!

[mental onyx]

Navy doesn't really need a rework. The only thing I'm hoping to change is to make its research easier and maybe tweak a bit of its production.

[hollow coral]

maybe separate research slots for navy and air because personally i never focus on air and navy until like mid game

[obtuse ingot]

What about Minesweeper?

[stable tusk]

Would you want to play Minesweeper while microing the Eastern Front? Probably not

Hoi4 is a game about multi tasking

[obtuse ingot]

I mean like if you have a field to de-mine… you could do so via minesweeper

Hunting for battleships via battleship… more immersive

Instead of just clicking a button

[outer whale]

Make something that starts at 1900 and goes to 2000

[wicked yoke]

yes

[outer whale]

Make spy agency better
add it some stories like CK3

[obtuse ingot]

Global Thermonuclear War

https://tenor.com/view/wargames-nuclear-war-gif-gif-25109263

[outer whale]

Like your spy personally telling what did he got

What did he faced

How did he managed

During the process

Make officers a separate army mechanic

Balancing the army like that

If u train less officers

Ur army sucks

If u train officers but bad quality

They suck

If u train good officers and in correct Ammouth

Ur army and them is good

Officers would have decisions like

Assaulting together with the army

Attack bonus

But they can die easily

Inspecting the field closely

Attack bonus less
But less death chance

Etc

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_Freedom_Train

Monuments Men… etc.

[fresh cedar]

Less the navy layouts and moreso how sea zones function.

[hexed mango]

3 more weeks...

[full ermine]

for teaser lol

judging from the time frame between last dev diary and release dates, we can expect new dlc at December at best

hope they will surprise us and release DLC as soon as possible

[stable tusk]

Dev diaries start October 3rd, so not just a teaser

An actual confirmation

[full ermine]

but dev diaries are sort of teaser/trailers on their own

just in text form

so we arent getting the real thing yet, that's what i meant

[fresh cedar]

Not necessarily, they said dev diaries would come out quicker this time around

[calm bramble]

counting the seconds 🤞

[hexed mango]

Soon...

[barren tusk]

Guys when next HOI4 DLC?

[solid gyro]

We get news on the 3rd of october that is the date which the first dev diary comes

[barren tusk]

Aight

So in this date we may get sneak peeks?

[solid gyro]

Prob so ig we will see which nations are in it etc like the last dlcs

[barren tusk]

Perf ty

[solid gyro]

no problem

[cedar cave]

Ah man i wanted to click all

Can only choose 3

[solid gyro]

so reall

i also wanted to select more xd

[fading walrus]

I think we might get the Kaiser path preview on November 9th of this year

Because thats the day the Kaiser abdicated in 1918

[graceful dagger]

This year

https://tenor.com/view/brain-meme-you-did-not-have-to-cut-me-off-gif-498898395089837096

[solid gyro]

You mean like the current path gets more worked out with focues etc?

[fading walrus]

Yeah

I hope we get mittleafrika as a puppet formable

Similar to Italian East Africa

And we can get unique formable puppets in Ukraine, Belarus, the baltic states, and finland

[solid gyro]

Wasnt ukraine a thing austria hungary wanted as a puppet if they would of won ww1?

[fading walrus]

Yes

[solid gyro]

Ngl thats sounds interesting and it would then makes sense to play as austria hungary cause then you got the focues you need for those things

[fading walrus]

Also I wouldn’t be surprised if Austria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia are updated too

All 4 of them are related to each other historically

Germany annexed Austria in 1938

[solid gyro]

I mean those three are direct neighbors with germany so ig we get a germany rework, an austrian focus tree and for the other two you mentioned get also a rework would be cool if that happens

[fading walrus]

Hungary and Austria should both be able to form Austria Hungary similar to Poland and Lithunaia

Also Austria should be fascist

[solid gyro]

Yeah austria (my home country) has such a rich history with those countries

[solid gyro]

Yeah i mean the vaterlandsfront was in fact fascist but not that extreme as the german party i think

not sure though i never really read into it

[fading walrus]

Germany tried to stage a coup there in 1934

Italy ended up threatening war with Germany

Because the coup almost succeeded

Hitler ended up backing down

Germany wasnt ready for war in 1934

Even Italy could beaten have them

[solid gyro]

Well makes sense he wanted them as allies and not as enemies as they needed some for the war against the brits and france etc

[solid gyro]

Yeah they did have a strong army i think a bit bigger then the germans at the time

[fading walrus]

Germany only had 100,000 men in 1934

[solid gyro]

I see well makes sense i mean they where still building up

[rain ingot]

Tbh ww1 was closer than ww2

somehow

[solid gyro]

Wdym? like with the reason for the war?

[rain ingot]

No

the result

of germany winning

was closer than ww2 in ww1

[obtuse ingot]

Germany but they don’t go after the Jewish people could win

[fallen kite]

are you sure about that?

[obtuse ingot]

Getting rid of a lot of manpower is not usually a good decision… not going after Jewish people would help…

A Germany focus tree where they become Jewish Germany would be interesting to see.

[frosty jay]

HAHAHHAHA

no

[obtuse ingot]

They wouldn’t have the manpower drain etc.

Einstein would have stayed in Germany… etc

[frosty jay]

They would have still the manpower drain of people dying first of all
Second of all them occupying other places would have still lead to manpower problems
not to mention fighting against the ussr britain and the americans

Germany winning has such a small chance even without the holocaust

[solid gyro]

Yeah and lets be honest invading the ussr was one of the reasons the germans lost in the first place

[stable tusk]

And the fact that Germany didn't have the economy for a long term war

[solid gyro]

Fr like they could of eliminated wave after wave but the quantity strat would of overran the germans either way and like you said their eco was build on a short term war

Like after france fell the germans wanted peace with the brits but they declined which marked the beginning of the end

[frosty jay]

That is something completely different than just not killing jews

thats completely alt hist

I agree that germany could have gotten rid of versailles democratically

[frosty jay]

So literally it didnt cause germanies defeat and germany still would have lost

thank you

[obtuse ingot]

It would have delayed it… if they did everything else the same

[frosty jay]

yea

so.....

nothing changed

[frosty jay]

Yea if the nazis wouldnt be nazis then they wouldnt have lost is a dogshit take

not to forget that the people still would have been needed to arm which I am pretty sure doesnt happen out of nowhere

[frosty jay]

nah thats cope

[obtuse ingot]

I’m just saying it’s an interesting scenario.

[stable tusk]

So "Make Hitler not Hitler, and they win the war"

[frosty jay]

SO true

its so bad

and even then who is gonna feed and clothe all those different soldiers

[tepid stag]

the nazis had rations an materials, the main things that were needed were oil and manpower, though even then it wouldn't have made a real difference

[rain ingot]

when half of the world is agaisnt u ur kinda cooked

on diddy

[obtuse ingot]

Also Jewish Germany is just ironic

[snow harness]

"guys its all hitlers fault. trust me bro if hitler listened to me it would have turned out different. the wheremacht werent nazis guys it was just hitler" -nazi general #4500000

it would be interesting if like

they would buff democratic germany by saying you could get manpower from soviet turncoats or smth\

[rugged plank]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

pov: München on a random tuesday in 45

[obtuse ingot]

It was definitely the major part of Germany… not just Hitler. You’d have to have some kind of event that radically alters German perception.

[hollow coral]

Germany should get military spirits like italy fr

[obtuse ingot]

Maybe an assassination attempt is foiled and the rescuer turns out to be Jewish. …

[hollow coral]

Or werhmacht and ss balance of power

[obtuse ingot]

There’s an alt history series where the protagonist are able to stop antisemitism in its tracks but that’s all the way in the 1600s… they even have an antisemitism kristalnacht.

Add in some pro-Jewish ww1 propaganda

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_I

[stable tusk]

Probably wouldn't change much tbh, Hitler liked some Jews, like the doctor who treated his mother
He would probably be like "Yeah, he's an honourary Aryan" or something like that

[hollow coral]

why was hitler such a character😭 🙏

bro just handing out titles

[misty geyser]

Best division template for naval guards? Italy btw

[swift mortar]

Just use your normal infantry templates, 9/0

But stick a mountaineer on some important ports

Mountaineer is 35.2 width mountaineer block

[barren tusk]

Any guess which continent might receive next DLC?

I was thinking in Europe but there only remain Belgium Ireland and Luxembourg

And Listenbourg

So probably Asia

Or middle east

[cyan juniper]

my bet is on antarctica

paradox released most german trailer ever

[barren tusk]

Srf

Greenland

🤣

[barren tusk]

Rework on Germany focus tree really?

[lunar orbit]

I hope so

[outer whale]

probably

na

not even probabaly

%99.99

%00.01 is they only realese nuke rework and everyone gets mad

[barren tusk]

Why tho Germany already have a focus tree

I was expecting Saudi Arabia not gonna lie

[cyan juniper]

it is outdated

brazil is stronger than germany atm

every country with pre-nsb focuses is really weak right now

of course paradox doesnt care about balance and a free patch doesnt bring money so they will re-release-remaked dlcs for older ones

[barren tusk]

Only Germany or Japan and Hungary the same @cyan juniper

The tiger DLC I guess

[cyan juniper]

wym

every allied minor is outdated

[barren tusk]

the german DLC is also included with another countries

so those remains countries will receive as well a rework?

[solid gyro]

I think what the person means is that the german focus is to small and old then the other nations (take italy as a example they got a bigger focus now because of the by blood alone dlc) so ig they will rework them and after that we get a saudi arabia dlc

[barren tusk]

netherlands and USa has a poor focus tree

short

[solid gyro]

True but lets be real they should finish the european continent first then work on the rest like america, middle east, asia etc

[barren tusk]

so taking into account your point, after german rework we should get ireland and belgium DLC

[solid gyro]

yeah but would also be good to get them in a small dlc and not in a big dlc

but yeah america needs to be reworked aswell

same goes for the rest

[indigo kite]

i think belgium will probably be in the germany dlc

along with austria and maybe luxembourg

because they usually make 3-4 ish trees per dlc

[crimson violet]

germanic dlc

[solid gyro]

Prob so yeah would make sense tbh

[outer whale]

yes

[tacit sequoia]

feeling like DLC after this one maybe the pacific war rework (usa + japan)

[obtuse ingot]

Germany but they didn’t do holocaust and so Einstein helps them develop nukes

[tacit sequoia]

or maybe country pack with USA, Canada, Mexico, possible Central America

[obtuse ingot]

Middle East imo would be next

[tacit sequoia]

could be middle east (since its wanted + it hasnt gotten anything since 2015), or it could be some other world region lol

though i hope to god that they'll get big trees, and not small ones (looking at rt56 with Iran + Iraq having small trees)

[obtuse ingot]

If this was a combined ww1/ww2 game all regions would be on the table…. Africa/Middle East were more ww1 heavy

[tacit sequoia]

during WW2, they had to do smth similar to late 20th century iraq where the USA invaded it, but this time it was british + french resistance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iraqi_War

[obtuse ingot]

Lots of stuff happened in Middle East for ww2, but there’s not really a focus on it

[tacit sequoia]

should be one

[obtuse ingot]

Maybe by learning the history of a region people will understand the region a tad bit more

One could hope

[tacit sequoia]

true

maybe a rework name if they did africa can be "Resistances and Dependencies"

[obtuse ingot]

The Middle East had Israeli insurgencies… they even assassinated a British guy. And the previous war in Iraq & Iran… I couldn’t find much about what was going on in Africa (other than the Italy/Ethiopia stuff)

although

Secret Belgium focus?

[hollow coral]

North africa campaign

I bet they could add egypt as a british protectorate

Or some french colonies could have semi autonomy

Because im pretty sure only north african france had a very tight grip of control

[stable tusk]

Most of the real bad stuff that happened in Germany happened after Einstein left to America
He left in 1932, before Hitler came to power

[limber frigate]

man are we gonna get any leaks on the upcoming dlc

[hollow coral]

october 3rd will be the dev diary

so basically a leak

[obtuse ingot]

Radiation leaks are not good

But landless adventurer mechanic for hoi4 looks really cool

[full ermine]

should be a thing for Democratic 🇩🇪 only to make it more fun

[solid gyro]

Cause of the German castle and Wunderwaffe its going to be a Germany Rework

My theory is reverse waking thr tiger

Germany + European states, and Japan

[tacit sequoia]

i doubt it since next year is the anniversary of the nuking of hiroshima and nagasaki + surrender of japan

you rly think they gonna make a reverse waking the tiger, when they got perfect timing for a new japanese dlc next year with america?

[solid gyro]

Yes

Well maybe

I think they're gonna try to Give Focuses to all of the European starting Countries

Because remember Germany is the one famously known for "war ending weapons"

And adding a Japan rework would just be a bundle

[hollow coral]

japan probs will be in a different dlc

im hoping its with siam, indonesia, malaysia and philippines

[lilac coyote]

Germany tree should just be prio for rework. They could go on and on with it, like they did Italy

[hollow coral]

italy and soviet trees are just a masterpiece

wish all majors were built like them

also wish that china was a major

[obtuse ingot]

Major Payne-Diaz

😂

[swift mortar]

Einstein fled in 1933

[full ermine]

thats what she said

[swift mortar]

Devs said Japan has been modified with this dlc

Because Japan is “losing more often to China”

So, do with that what you will

[swift mortar]

This is what a dev said in a Reddit post

[hollow coral]

W

I saw in that reddit

[tight blaze]

A Pacific war rework? I would imagine something like TFB

But the islands need to not be one tile

[dull minnow]

makes sense, japan used to push china all the way to 80-90 capitulation and then get stuck but now 1 out of 3 times japan either gets stuck on the yellow river for a year or simply loses manchuria and signs a peacedeal

i'd say they sould give japan some bonuses to make it easier to take the coast of china but give the inland states modifiers to make them harder to take

[swift mortar]

They can’t do that, remember that people play this game for ahistorical

Maybe provide naval bonuses/attack bonuses for Japan capturing the islands

[obtuse ingot]

Alt history where the Philippines become a state-thing of the US and Japan does too, avoiding ww2 pacific

Can u imagine if Japan became part of the USA?

(Pre-ww2)

[tight blaze]

maybe not

i would say the more islands japan takes the more usa and the allies have a debuff against germany

if japan gets attack bonuses against usa or vice versa then its impossible to even fight in the pacific

[dull minnow]

this makes absolutely no sense

[novel coral]

i remember the hoi4 devs talking about how the mod they use for their multiplayer games does that

[dull minnow]

maybe what they could do is if democratic USA loses any core provinces in the mainland then they'd have the option to keep fighting with a massive war support and stability debuff which would almost guarantee strikes or make a scripted peace deal which would give the pacific to japan and kick them out of the allies

[novel coral]

that completely invalidates the idea that "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass"

[dull minnow]

then along with the war support and stability debuff also give them a defense in core territory modifier, the americans may be armed to the teeth but breaking the idea that they could not be conquered should have shook the nation quite a bit, at least enough for the people to demand an end to the war

this would also make the USA ai (or player) reluctant to fight for the phillipines and the european colonies with their navy since it could lead to the japanese player making a small invasion of the mainland to give them the debuff

[novel coral]

you forget the sheer impact pearl harbor had on public opinion

[polar jasper]

American foreign involvement has always been America retaliating because someone touched our boats

[novel coral]

literally

[polar jasper]

Except maybe Korea

[novel coral]

even in 1940, 60% supported aiding the united kingdom in the war

[dull minnow]

pearl harbor angered the americans but hawai wasn't a state and it was a surprise attack, a full blown invasion of the mainland would have proven the japanese (or german) capability to invade them and it would make them more reluctant to keep the war going

[novel coral]

pearl harbor happens and suddenly 97% are all for taking the war to the japs

[polar jasper]

My dude, there is no way Japan is invading the mianland

*mainland

[novel coral]

^^^^^^

[polar jasper]

Even if they did. We would want to kick them out

Last time I checked, country's want to defend themselves

[dull minnow]

yes, that's exactly why an actual sucessful invasion may have scared the americans into a conditional peace

[polar jasper]

No, we would have simply tried to push them into the sea

[novel coral]

no american would be scared of the japanese at that point

[polar jasper]

If we somehow lose LA, we would simply try to push them out

Japan was waiting for us to invade their home islands to bleed us dry for a conditional surrender

[dull minnow]

and what if that fails? i highly doubt is realistic for japan to have to fight all the way to new york just to make the americans surrender

[polar jasper]

You think it would?

The Japanese supply lines would be stretched

[swift mortar]

They can’t do that. That only works for historical games

[polar jasper]

Hawaii would have needed to fallen first

[swift mortar]

Japan may get like a morale buff at most as a national spirit

[polar jasper]

The IJN even then would be stretched to its limits

[swift mortar]

Even then I doubt this

[novel coral]

i highly doubt is realistic for japan to have to fight all the way to new york just to make the americans surrender
it would be realistic

[polar jasper]

What

They were dying in China

How would Japan, a country already fighting China and having issues there, be able to cross almost 2k miles of a country on the other side of the Pacific

The American Navy must be asleep and not having new ships being built

[novel coral]

it would be realistic for the united states to never surrender

read

[polar jasper]

I thought you were saying it would be realistic to cross the US

[dull minnow]

i feel like you're highly understimating the isolationism sentiment in america

[novel coral]

i feel like you're highly underestimating the impact of pearl harbor

[polar jasper]

My dude, isolationism basically dies when your ships got bombed

[novel coral]

you touch american boats and nobody cares about isolationism anymore

[polar jasper]

You may go back to isolationism AFTER the war

[dull minnow]

and it would be revived the moment the japanese cross the border from california into arizona

[polar jasper]

But otherwise you are a downer

[novel coral]

^

[novel coral]

no??

[polar jasper]

There is no way Japan is invading the west coast

They barely held onto Alaska

[novel coral]

never even got to alaska

[polar jasper]

Most US casualties up there were from friendly fire accidents with us and the Canadians

[dull minnow]

i feel like you guys have completely forgotten this is a HOI4 discussion

[polar jasper]

The alutian islands or however they are spelt are Alaskan

[novel coral]

yeah, the aleutian islands were the furthest they got

[polar jasper]

You forgot hoi4 is a total war game

You want 1 piece of land from a country 3 thousand miles away? Go to London

Or whatever the capital is

[dull minnow]

england is 1000 times an easier to invade country even though their historical resolve to fight the germans even in their own soil was greater than the americans, besides there is literally something that is exactly what im advocating for, it's called the sino-japanese scripted peace that happens when the japanese lose to china

[calm bramble]

wth

warsaw just switches from capital supply hub to a regular one

every few days in game

[calm bramble]

12th of december it switched again

[dull minnow]

30 minutes of hel?

[calm bramble]

My first (failed) attempt at least

Went well until like late 1940

[dull minnow]

oof, a little more and the germans would have switched their attention to the russians

[calm bramble]

yeah, I think I would have done it if I could access the Katowice resources

[obtuse ingot]

What do you guys think of a thing like landless adventurers being brought to hoi4?

(Codename: Rise to Power)

[dull minnow]

mercenaries maybe? wouldn't make a lot of sense historically but it could be cool, perhaps they could be sponsored by countries to deploy their troops and gain resouces

[obtuse ingot]

Hitler was a private and rose through the ranks to be in charge of Germany. It’d probably be something like that

[dull minnow]

maybe but that would require a far larger timespan than the one the game currently takes place in

[calm bramble]

OOPS WRONG CHANNEL

Second time it's happened

[obtuse ingot]

Probably… good reason to expand the dates though

[dull minnow]

Yeah but 1949 and onward isn't exactly the same period as the current hoi4, so unless they make actual cold war mechanics i feel like they shouldn't expand it

[obtuse ingot]

I mean more like 1910-1956

[stable tusk]

I'm pretty sure we (the people of this chat) already talked about why that big of a timeline isn't a good idea

[obtuse ingot]

Because one wouldn’t have much to do… However with a “Landless Adventurer” the amount of stuff to do would grow

[hexed mango]

15 more days

Soon...

[tacit sequoia]

Sus

[tacit sequoia]

17*

[hexed mango]

Nooooooo

[tacit sequoia]

Yeah sadly it is, October 3rd 2024

If September had 31 days it would’ve been 18 days, but it’s 17 days.

[untold coyote]

An invasion would only increase american resolve

And it would also never, ever be successful in any mind of way

It's straight up not possible

America is the world's biggest private gum market by far

More guns then humans, and it was so back then

The japanese didn't have enough resources, and they would have had no supply

If the japs landed, we would've just easily pushed them out

If for some ungodly reason they were able to advance

They would face extremely heavy casualties

And then maybe get a peace with like hawai and nothing else going to them

And they still lose.

To the other allied forces and such

China pushes them back

Eventually the UK and soviets would force them into surrendering

If you're giving the us that debuff, you might as well give the japanese a debuff of their own that destroys their supply's in the mainland and makes an invasion impossible to succeed

[dull minnow]

Least patriotic american

[untold coyote]

Wdym I'm from Jan Mayan

[dull minnow]

So... from norway?

[untold coyote]

No I'm a German Citizen

[analog leaf]

Ey fellow German

Im German-American

[hollow coral]

are your parents german or smthn

[analog leaf]

My mom is German

My dad is American

[hollow coral]

normally i would expect people saying that had german great great great grandparents lmao

[analog leaf]

Lmao

Well my great grandad was stuck in a gulag for 7 years

[hollow coral]

oh...

[analog leaf]

He saw things that I can’t say here

But

He was one of the few

To get out

[hollow coral]

[solid gyro]

We're inching towards the dev Diary 🙏

2nd South America DLC when

[hollow coral]

peru dlc

[solid gyro]

Remove Peru

Give Ecuador 1000+ Focuses!!

[last estuary]

My great grandpa was irish!!

[hollow coral]

[obtuse ingot]

Belgium has Uranium in Congo… think we’ll get Belgium tree?

[hollow coral]

definitley

if paraguay gets a tree belgium better get one

[obtuse ingot]

I still think adding ww1 stuff would be 🔥

But that’s a BIG thing… this doesn’t feel like a BiG dlc

[hollow coral]

although ww1 had very different tech compared to ww2

and every hoi game was purely focued on ww2

[obtuse ingot]

ww2 is a direct result of the consequences of ww1… having both makes sense

[hollow coral]

I still feel like modding is the way to go

But i would like to see something like 1930 scenario

[obtuse ingot]

I do think landless adventurer would be really fun

[hollow coral]

Or post ww2

Nothing like mid cold war though

[obtuse ingot]

starting as a private or mafia or etc and “rising to power”

[frosty jay]

I honestly want another navy rework

[obtuse ingot]

I like navy but don’t see enough of it to know much about it.. what about the navy stuff is there to add/fix?

[frosty jay]

I want bigger production numbers tbh

like the way its now most nations cant build a navy

[untold coyote]

Me too!

My family escaped germany in the 30s for obvious reasons

All who stayed in europe except maybe one got slaughtered

But you get german citizenship

Which is why I'm one

[obtuse ingot]

I’m kinda German/Dutch too

Story is my family immigrated to the Netherlands… but recorded history shows a silk merchant in Amsterdam … hard to connect things that far back

[untold coyote]

My grandma actually knows a lot of germans because her parents spoke german at home

My grandpa doesn't because his dad died when he was 4

But his parents were from austria and lived in vienna before moving later on

[obtuse ingot]

This is like early 1600s.

[untold coyote]

Where did your family go from there

[analog leaf]

yeah but I don't like talking about it

basically cannabalism and all that.

[obtuse ingot]

Pennsylvania

[analog leaf]

we used to live there

dk where inside of pennsylvania but we lived there

then we moved to germany

[obtuse ingot]

Grew up around the Wheeling/Belmont area …. But moved around so much I don’t think of myself as “from” a state in particular

[analog leaf]

I was born as a German-American in Germany, then moved to the US for 2 years, then came back

I wanna move back, since I want to do my career in the air force

[cyan juniper]

bruh

[analog leaf]

Could’ve phrased it way better ik

[calm bramble]

16 days

[solid gyro]

its the final countdown!

[hexed mango]

Svvn...

[fading walrus]

2 weeks 2 days

[fading walrus]

My predictions for this dlc are

Germany rework

Hungary rework

Czechoslovakia rework

Austria

And a mini Slovakia tree

Hoi4 seems to add or change 5 nations on average per dlc

Tgfv was 5

DoD was 4

Waking the tiger was 6

(Im counting the warlords as 1)

MtG was 4

BftB 5 (counting the minor rework of Yugoslavia and Romania btw)

No step back 5

By blood alone 4 (counting Aussa)

Arms against tyranny 5

And trial of allegiance 5

[hearty blade]

I hope they skip czechia and hungary and make a good japan tree instead

[fading walrus]

Thats not going to happen this dlc

Maybe next dlc

Or the one after that

[hearty blade]

Hungary really doesnt need it imo

Czechia yes

But hungarys tree is fine. Outdated yes but its still ok

Japans tree has got to change

[fading walrus]

It will

Just not right now

Hopefully along with naval combat

[hearty blade]

Thats unfortunate

Priorities lie elsewhere ig

[fading walrus]

Pretty much

[hearty blade]

Id much rather get belgium focus tree instead of hungary rework

[fading walrus]

Next year is going to be a small regional dlc and Japan (hopefully I could be wrong)

[fading walrus]

I dont see much in Belgium just as much as Hungary

[hearty blade]

I mean belgium has nothing while hungary has a pretty fun path if yk how to migate the rngness of it all

[fading walrus]

Belgium only has the the congo and could only unite the low countries and take some land from France

[hearty blade]

Same thing could be said for basically any trial of alliagence dlc country

[fading walrus]

Thats the problem with Belgium, there quite literally is no history to be worked with

[cyan juniper]

belgium is a hallucination

[hearty blade]

Dude if they can somehow make the king of chile some french dude who randomly claims hes the king they can do something with belgium

[fading walrus]

Except Brazil, Chile, and Argentina actually have more history

Brazil especially

[hearty blade]

Even if its a minor path id want it to have a path

[hearty blade]

Not ww2 wise as far as im aware

[fading walrus]

Who literally plays this game for ww2 larp

These days

[hearty blade]

Belgium actually kinda fought and for chile to get a bigger and better path than a european country who fought

[fading walrus]

Imagine playing historical Denmark and Belgium

[hearty blade]

Is kinda bizarre to me

[fading walrus]

Because La resistance came out in 2020

And TOA 2024

[hearty blade]

Tbh belgium shouldve gotten something during la resistance

[fading walrus]

Focus trees didnt become decent until No step back

[fading walrus]

Agreed

But it would outdated now anyway

[hearty blade]

Yeah but then atleast it would have a damn focus instead of pure nothingness

[fading walrus]

Until then they were average

[fading walrus]

It would just be the Netherlands

Minus the Dutch empire

[hearty blade]

Really unfortunate though. Did portugal get a focus tree with la resistance?

[fading walrus]

Yes

[hearty blade]

Yeah Thats absolute bs shouldve given that to belgium

I like portugals path but belgium deserves something

[fading walrus]

They will get something

[hearty blade]

Portugal probs has more to work with

But really unfortunate for belgium

[fading walrus]

My theory is France and the Low Countries will all have their own dlc

But i dont see that for 3 years

Which disappoints me

Because I would like a overhauled Napoleon path

Its okay as of right now

But its missing some stuff

[hearty blade]

Best we have is road to 56 atm

[fading walrus]

I use that alot

And the france reworked mod as well

Which you can make Napoleon a more constitutional king

[hearty blade]

Wish it would be a axis rework generally instead of central europe rework

[fading walrus]

And it gives some crazy bonuses

[hearty blade]

Japan desperately needs a new focus tree. Sucks to see chile have a bigger and better tree than one of ww2s biggest players

[fading walrus]

Also its funny that the Tsar path has 100% stability

[hearty blade]

Dont like mods that much i should probs play more of em

[fading walrus]

Because EVERYONE hated the tsar

In 1917

[hearty blade]

Too chaotic for me

Ive only played the ww1 mod forgot the name

And r56

[fading walrus]

Which one

[hearty blade]

The better one not the great war redux one

Not sure what its called

[fading walrus]

Japan is almost the same in Rt56

[hearty blade]

Really unfortunate icl

[fading walrus]

Monarchist Japan gets an alliance with Scandinavia and thats it i think

[hearty blade]

Why scandinavia out of all places?

[fading walrus]

Because the USSR

Monarchist japans whole point is to fight the USSR

[hearty blade]

Fair enough

[fading walrus]

Scandinavia is closer to the Russian heartland than Manchuria

[hearty blade]

True

[fading walrus]

And fighting in siberia is a pain

Monarchist and fascist japan should get an alliance with the tsar

Or Rodazaevsky

Last one makes more sense

Because Rodaevsky was operating in Manchuria

And was basically Japans guy until 1943

[hollow coral]

The only downside of tsar path in my opinion is that there are barely any generals

[fading walrus]

This

I wrote to paradox on their forums telling them to add more generals

[hearty blade]

Would love to be able to keep more generals as russia generally

[fading walrus]

I had a list of the whites who were still alive in 1936

[hearty blade]

As ussr i understand cuz u gotta nerf them somehow

[fading walrus]

Its alot more than you think

I played the white Russia reworked mod btw

[hollow coral]

Yeh i just dont like putting generics as my generals

[hearty blade]

Yeah same

[fading walrus]

And it has all of them

Also france needs more generals

[hollow coral]

Not the mention the generics still have soviet uniform

[fading walrus]

And the game refers to as the soviet union

[hollow coral]

Yeh

[fading walrus]

You get the soviet volunteer group in china

[hollow coral]

Molotov ribbentrop pact still says soviet union

[fading walrus]

Imagine being the tsar or Rodzaevsky

And getting that newspaper clipping

Rodzaevsky should have the option to ally with Japan for historical reasons

[hollow coral]

Only the historical path is viable

[hollow coral]

They rlly didnt give much to the fascist path

And they didnt even add a democratic path

[fading walrus]

Just 4 civs

[hollow coral]

But still solid path

[fading walrus]

Who would play as Democratic Russia

In the first place

[hollow coral]

Fair

Ive only willingly played democracybefore

And it was greece

Not the byzantine path

[fading walrus]

Well that sound boring

[hollow coral]

Yeh it was on historical

And i only did it for the achievement

[fading walrus]

Also all the white exiles hated Kerensky

Because of what happened in 1917

[hollow coral]

Fair

Ig you can still become democratic

Also the french royal paths are all pretty lackluster

Even the napoleonic path just ives straight wargoals

Yet leaves out stuff like italy and spain

[fading walrus]

Also Denikin should be a level 3 at least in vanilla

Dude litterally command only 4k men for a while

And won

[hollow coral]

And avenge waterloo just makes everyone hate you if you take out uk

[fading walrus]

Early in the civil war too

Road to 56 and kaiserredux do Denkins stats pretty well

He got the closest to moscow out of all the white generals

[hollow coral]

I wish i could do some roleplaying too like reforming the finnish duchy and polish congressional kingdom

[fading walrus]

And he is the only surviving major one in 1936

Wrangle died in 1925, Yudonich 1930

You obiviously know what happened to Kolchak and Kornilov

Executed and killed in action

[harsh hull]

I want a proper democratic Russia path, myself

[fading walrus]

You would just sit back and wait for germany to fight you

[harsh hull]

I like to set every country with a focus tree to go democratic every new DLC

[hollow coral]

Maybe fight with the allies

[fading walrus]

And you would give your occupied subjects freedom

[harsh hull]

See who ends up at war

[fading walrus]

But whats the point of that when you can do it as the tsar

[harsh hull]

The Soviets not having a democratic path usually gets in the way of that

[fading walrus]

Even though the Tsar in the game collaborated with the Germans irl

Also Vladimir III is 19 in 1936

He was born in 1917

In Finland

[hollow coral]

A comprehensive list of what i would like for russian monarchist path.

.more generals
.reform puppets such as congress poland and finnish duchy
.ability to help reform countries like byzantium (historically tried to happen)
.zheltorossiya ( chinese russia)
. More for fascist tree

[fading walrus]

Agreed

Especially on the first part

I might make a mod for all this

[hollow coral]

🤑

Lemme know if you make it

[fading walrus]

I would use the right flag too

[hollow coral]

Yeh the flag is an interesting choice

[fading walrus]

Because the tsars flag is a naval flag

I would use that flag for the provisional government

Not the tsar

[hollow coral]

Maybe you can choose the flag for de stalinization

[fading walrus]

Good idea

But Kaiserredux has an interesting flag change option mechanic

You can change it in the descion screen at any time

[south meadow]

nah i like russia flag in provisional

[obtuse ingot]

Sometimes I wonder if Russia went back to tsar it’d be better

Like Monarchist Jerusalem

[hearty blade]

Not very fashionable to be a despot anymore

[obtuse ingot]

Good tsar…like constitutional monarchy like in the UK

[fading walrus]

That was never going to happen

The tsar squandered that chance twice

Once in 1905 and in 1917

[hearty blade]

I mean Tsar legit comes from Caesar who wasnt very consititutional. A king is always fun to have around but meh probs useless for russia

wonder who they'd elect as king though

[polar jasper]

Then what is the point. The UK monarchy doesn't do much

[fresh cedar]

Wish the Anarchists got their own occupation law

I like that the ideologies all have their unique occupation laws now

Feel like it’s a missed opportunity with them

[hearty blade]

the democratic occupation law is VERY nice

[fresh cedar]

Right, like the extra compliance

[hearty blade]

yupp

i like the communist one too

i barely use the fascist one though dont see the point

[fresh cedar]

Right

Feel like the anarchists should get something similar to the Democratic

Recently did a world conquest with them.

[solid gyro]

Would also be great to have a focus so that you can start other anarchy rebellions which in turn become your puppets and not get annexed by you

after the civil war

[lilac coyote]

Waraw is always like EXTRA feisty

usually use it there one shut up already type shit

dont rely on it ver for compliance

[fresh cedar]

They kinda have that through spies

[lilac coyote]

just stfu button

[fresh cedar]

Like can spark anarchy rebellions

[lilac coyote]

One day ill spark warsaw up like that

gotta do it atleast once

[solid gyro]

Ik but if they win they get annexed almost in the first second after the civil war is over and it would be good to get a decision to deny that annexion and so on

[fresh cedar]

Wish the whole spy agency rebellion thing was proportional to how many guns, civ factories, PP, and manpower you’d commit

[solid gyro]

Would make alot of the spy work easier

[fresh cedar]

Oh I see what you mean

[woeful oasis]

Yeah politically the Russian exiles ideologies varied wildly and was not unified

[crude wyvern]

when is germany getting a new tree

[obtuse mango]

they said they would start talking about a new dlc on oct 3

[solid gyro]

3rd of october is the first dev diary

[fading walrus]

My guess is December st the earliest

[hexed mango]

Svvn...

[fading walrus]

Just 15 days

For me

[hexed mango]

2 more weeks

[fading walrus]

Rounded down yes

But in total 15 days

Its probably going to be historical stuff first

It always is

Because of how big germany is going to be

It will be split into 2-3 parts

After 4th one the Kaiser and other alternative right wing paths

[haughty aspen]

A possible atternative right wing path??

[solid gyro]

I really wonder what new focuses there will be for the germans

[fading walrus]

I think me and Paradox dont want a ss alt history path

Would be too controversial

[solid gyro]

True would be weird to see that in game

[fading walrus]

In thinking of a military dictatorship

Like the Wehrmacht take control

[solid gyro]

My guess is that we get more infastructure focues and maybe some more focuses for reichskommisariate

[solid gyro]

Would be interesting to see

[fading walrus]

My logic is that Mussolini can get deposed in 1936

7 years ahead of schedule

If the player wants

So why not overthrow hitler right from the get go as the Wehrmacht

Like say rhineland went bad

[solid gyro]

Would be interesting if the alt germany path gets the focus which is almost the same as the reichskommisariat but only the monarch version of it like deutsches mittelafrika etc

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[polar jasper]

I always thought that hitler should only be overthrown if Rhineland fails. There would be a decision that will force it to fail, such as making French and German soldiers fire upon each other. This would provide incentive for Hitler to be overthrown

[teal ingot]

I hope that they will buff Ethiopia African Union

So that u don't need to spend so much pp

[fresh cedar]

South Africa should be able to core all its African puppets like what Mapuche Chile can do.

[outer whale]

HOI4 Africa contents be like: UNITE AFRICA

[fresh cedar]

I mean if Ethiopia can then South Africa should have something similar or atleast core a larger chunk considering it too has an anti colonial crusade and can puppet Africa

[hollow coral]

I mean they already have ss features

And they did add stuff like stalins purges and blackshirts

[stable tusk]

Problem is that the SS was uniquely evil and the blackshirts are more of a background thing

[tacit sequoia]

they may add the SS but censor it a shitton

[polar jasper]

I always thought an SS path should be a hard mode path where the Allies will refuse to appease.

No genocide mechanics of course

[fresh cedar]

Hey so was just playing as Russia, did the civil war and went Fascist. Then the game let me go the third Rome route while allied to Germany/Axis. And shortly after had a massive fascist civil war. So I beat it, then the same civil war kept firing again and again. Ruined my entire playthrough. This was vanilla

Each civil war took half of everything I had including generals.

[solid gyro]

communist germany path

[teal ingot]

And rename itself

[kindred musk]

@solid gyro why isn't there a mittle afrika formable nation option if you play as monarchist Germany and conquer the necessary territory

[solid gyro]

Good question tbh this formable puppet Nation should of been in waking the tiger as the monarchist path for germany came in the game so my big hope is that it will be in it in this dlc

[tacit sequoia]

i would say make it like AGORA is lol

[hollow coral]

waking the tiger was released a long time ago so i guess the idea didnt come up at that time

[solid gyro]

Yeah thats why i hope its in the rework it would give the monarch path some fresh air etc

[hollow coral]

hopefully a habsburg path for hre

and reforming the puppets

[solid gyro]

Would be really interesting too see what paradox has planned for them

[hollow coral]

especially a communist path

[solid gyro]

Yeah, Germany is the only Nation in game (i think) which still doesnt have a communist path after all those years

[hollow coral]

the current democratic path is just making a huge alliance against russia

and if russia goes monarchist the whole purpose is defeated

would love to see it reworked into like forming the eu

[subtle spire]

So basically fascists but without war?

[solid gyro]

Yeah well i hope the new tree is as big like russia and italy cause does two got alot after by blood alone and NSB came out

[hollow coral]

ig

fascist is fun because you can conquer the whole world

[hollow coral]

nsb and bba are peak

[solid gyro]

Fr it gave alot of options for alt hist enjoyers like myself

[hollow coral]

even though they have huge ass trees they are still not overpowered which i rlly like

[solid gyro]

Yeah and the only thing i dont like in BBA is that italy has those not deleteable units

[hollow coral]

i guess its for lore

[solid gyro]

I guess so but if i play italy i dont really use them i mainly use normal inf with tanks and cas

[hollow coral]

i jsut use them for port duty in africa

[hexed mango]

Soon...

[solid gyro]

s o o n

[full ermine]

2 weeks left just to get one look

[analog leaf]

when do y'all's think the new DLC will come

[fading walrus]

December

At the earliest

[analog leaf]

jeez, 3 months still!? damn...

[fading walrus]

Remember how long no step back took

Over a year

[analog leaf]

HUH

I only started playing in oct. 2023

[fading walrus]

April 2019 for me

[analog leaf]

guess you're a veteran then.

[kindred musk]

usa sucks

🇬🇧 💪

[analog leaf]

pours tea into the boston for a second time

[fading walrus]

In hoi4 as of 2024 yeah

Poorly researched alternative history paths paths ✅

Outdated focus tree ✅

[rugged gazelle]

I started playing when we were at Waking the Tiger

But I bought that dlc

[fading walrus]

I first heard about the game when that came out

Same

[fading walrus]

Its has one of my favorite alt history paths

[rugged gazelle]

The return of the Kaiser I suppose

[fading walrus]

Yes

You should have seen my face when I learned I could get the Kaiser back as Germany

[rugged gazelle]

I doubt I saw it. I liked that dlc, but warlords aren't interesting. They should rework politics

[fading walrus]

Oh totally

[rugged gazelle]

I think they should change parties from 4 to 6 and generalize the congress mechanic they added to usa in mtg

[obtuse ingot]

They should do “how to mod hoi4 yourself” series

[fading walrus]

They are

[obtuse ingot]

Maybe have a contest where someone writes an alt history and they turn it into a focus tree

[fading walrus]

Bad idea

Remember Minecraft mob votes

[obtuse ingot]

They did it for Imperator Rome & we got Pirate Illyria out of it

[fading walrus]

Yeah but who plays as Illyria in a Rome game anyways

[rugged gazelle]

We even got a graveyard place for imperator

[obtuse ingot]

You know where Illyria is?

[fading walrus]

Yes

[rugged gazelle]

I still hope they'll resurrect it but this will not happen

[hexed mango]

SOON...

[obtuse ingot]

It’s doing pretty well atm.

Hearts of Iron but at different periods in history sounds cooler…

Like how Modern Warfare does it

Hoi: Napoleonic wars

Hoi: Alexander the Great

[zenith cargo]

https://youtu.be/E7zIU3L2eUs?si=CIogL9ttWcen7Boo

Or
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt_7vUaEvaGTJ0ISBqY2v4EyfmPALiVS7&si=iF64k1cOpSEw8Gs_

[rugged gazelle]

The representation of war in hoi4 isn't accurate for anything before the late xix century

[fading walrus]

Not really

[fading walrus]

Also this

But seriously who cares about Illyria

[rugged gazelle]

I have less than 30 hours on Imperator

I stopped playing it, I play ck3 instead

[obtuse ingot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2467026605

[fading walrus]

I play eu4 instead

extended timeline mod

[fading walrus]

Hoi4 isnt suited for ancient wars

Play Rome 2 with the divide et impera mod instead

[autumn breach]

that looks cool

[obtuse ingot]

I think it’s shifted to more modern… but similar scenario only… which isn’t that bad.

[rugged gazelle]

I don't play eu4, too complex and too expensive to get in even with sales and I don't want to buy it because I can't spend all my few money. I play Hoi4, Ck3 and Vic2

[fading walrus]

I only play hoi4 and eu4

I dont play ck and vic

[rugged gazelle]

For me Vic2 is the best paradox game, you have to think what to do and as a minor you can't conquer the world

Hoi4 is fun in multiplayer

[fading walrus]

Yeah but vics time period doesn’t interest me

Its good just not my cup of tea

Also it doesnt work on my pc

[obtuse ingot]

I haven’t played any of them.., I just watch mostly

[rugged gazelle]

You may try ck2, it's free

[obtuse ingot]

<— Chromebook

[fading walrus]

Yeah thats not going to work on that

Because Minecraft wont work on a chromebook

[obtuse ingot]

I’m happy with watching them though

[fading walrus]

Im gonna continue my tsar game…

[rugged gazelle]

I'm on Linux actually

I dislike win11 so I'm waiting 12

[hollow lion]

there wont be a Windows 12 according to MS

[hearty blade]

im still pushin windows 10

😭

[calm bramble]

2 weeks 🥳

[fresh cedar]

Did anyone else get the Third Rome bug as Russia where the civil wars just keep spamming?

[rugged gazelle]

Nah

[fading walrus]

no

[fresh cedar]

So if you go Fascist, join axis, then do third Rome. You get infinite civil wars

[fading walrus]

I don't do that path

why would you get rid of the Tsar for a old church guy

[fresh cedar]

Not the Tsar path. Went Fascist, not monarch

[fading walrus]

that path is below average

also the south america thing is still broken

[fresh cedar]

Well did fascist to align Axis in historical, then went Third Rome to help beat Japan in Asia post war.

And when I went third rome i just had repeat civil wars

[little hedge]

doesnt mean someone shouldnt play it

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah

[hexed mango]

Soon...

[tender bough]

13 more days...

[solid gyro]

The great reveal is soon happening.....

[hollow coral]

13 days is not that soon

[solid gyro]

Ik but they can go by fast if you dont think of it

[hollow coral]

ig yeh

[obtuse ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-slow-down-life-fast-paced-chill-gif-8681439

[fading walrus]

312 hours

[full ermine]

they will go fast

lately days go faster than we think

[calm bramble]

311 now

Someone continue the chain in an hour pls

[solid gyro]

Yup

[barren tusk]

Guys if I declare war to the CCCP and I call my friend (who is doing the civil war) and I conquer Moscow. Do I eliminate him or he can get every territory of Russia?

[stable tusk]

If your friend is playing as a Russian faction then he can take everything as long as you aren't at war with him as well

[barren tusk]

Perfect

Thanks

[fresh cedar]

I’ve done every path and mod at-least like 5 times in the 6k hours I have. I enjoy it as it can be challenging

[lean pewter]

do u know when new dlc for germany and japan is coming?

[fresh cedar]

October 3rd is when they start to tell us about it. I’d guess November

[lean pewter]

ty

[fresh cedar]

Np

[outer whale]

imagine it comes out at november 11th

[solid gyro]

Would be awesome that would be one day after my birthday

[fading walrus]

I wish but I doubt it

[solid gyro]

Prob mid october to the end of october if the dev diaries come out fast in that month

[fading walrus]

I would prefer it if they took their time

so we don't have it be a disater at launch

[solid gyro]

Yeah

Well i mean they did say this year so could be december

[stable tusk]

I think it's 2 dev diaries a week or something

[solid gyro]

Yeah i think they show two things in a week from what i saw but as the Person said above, better to wait then to get a burning mess at launch

[obtuse ingot]

I just remembered an interesting ww2 alt history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwar_series.

[obtuse ingot]

My bet release 11-11

[long coyote]

Bout to go into hibernation till the Germany rework

[stable tusk]

Didn't Turtledove also make a book where the South wins the US Civil War because aparteid South Africa went back in time and sent them AK 47s?

[obtuse ingot]

Probably

Idk the details

[tacit sequoia]

ykw i just realized?

hoi4 edited their whole brand and art for the main stuff like mcarthur rommel zhukov etc. maybe there's a new art scheme coming soon?

[hexed mango]

soon...

[full ermine]

this wait is boooooring

[haughty aspen]

Gives you more time to live life before ruining it once it does become announced.

[full ermine]

its for numbing the pain

with more pain (steam achievements)

[haughty aspen]

XD

Paradox said that it will be dropped by 2024. Now does that mean the actual DLC will, or the introduction of the DLC?

[stable tusk]

Well they're gonna release the dev diaries in October so it'll probably release in December

[haughty aspen]

So not this month then.

I'm assuming that it's a waiting game until when.

[full ermine]

or the unlikely reason why they are dropping dev diaries this late is to release the DLC almost immediately

[haughty aspen]

Do we have any good ideas of what is to come besides the nuke rework, and possibly German focus tree rework?

[full ermine]

0 idea

we wont know anything until 3rd of October

[haughty aspen]

Is that what they've said?

[full ermine]

yea

PDX announced nothing apart from roadmap

also noticed that we will get TWO dev diaries per week

its usually 3-5 dev diaries per DLC

either we will get smth VERY BIG (which i doubt tbh, its Paradox :D)

or they will wrap this up very quickly to get a release date

[fading walrus]

were you here when NSB was around

I mean it was huge

we litterally had 3 dev diarys on the USSR alone

[obtuse ingot]

Release date: 11/11?

[full ermine]

i was actually

have to agree

would be surprised if they will make smth even BIGGER, content wise, than No Step Back

[hexed mango]

soon...

[hexed mango]

ok but october 3rd is like thursday lol

[full ermine]

12 days left

[hexed mango]

so we'll start with a q&a and then get the first dev diary on 7th of october?

[chilly drum]

Reading between the lines...

They wouldnt call that "be-weekly" QnA if it was only once

Meaning its at least a month long affair.

Thats 8 dev diaries.

Even the fact that QnA exists is pretty interesting.

I mean, you wouldnt host something like that and so periodicaly over something small

Unless its something that HoI does anyway.

Not sure, Im kinda new.

[zenith cargo]

Its like 20-40 per dlc if you look at the old ones

[solid gyro]

If thats the case then it will be bigger as NSB that means we will get alot of content for the nations like a bigger germany focus tree for the alt paths (democratic, Monarchist and maybe a communist path)

[tacit sequoia]

Dec 21 2024

[obtuse stratus]

Surely someone will buy it off my Christmas wishlist 4 days before Christmas right....

[obtuse ingot]

Theocratic Jewish Germany…(for the lols)

[fading walrus]

this isn't EU4

[fading walrus]

I should also mention that theocracies other than the Vatican were largely a thing of the past

By 1936

[obtuse ingot]

Israel isn’t?

Idk what it’s called. A not secular type government

[analog leaf]

Rule Brittania!

[hexed mango]

soon...

[polar jasper]

Iran and Afghanistan

[fading walrus]

oh I didn't know that

[sly vault]

Britan rule warvrs

[full ermine]

so on October 3rd there wont be dev diary right?

since dev diaries are on Mondays and Wednesdays

and oct 3 is thursday

that means the wait is way longer

2 more weeks

[tender bough]

they said that's when they will come out tho...

[full ermine]

so despite being Thursday, dev diary will come out?

[tender bough]

hopefully?

[full ermine]

oh so you are predicting

i thought it was confirmed

[mental onyx]

I'm kind of confused since they said dev diaries start at Oct. 3 but the development cycle image they put says monday starts the dev diary which is not Oct. 3
So what date is it actually?

[tacit sequoia]

its probably oct 3rd for first week, then new schedule afterwards

[full ermine]

thats what i said

[full ermine]

yeah i checked the latest news on Steam and it says "Dev diary will release Oct 3"

so yeah, its likely that they will 1 diary for that week, and then it will go as usual (² dev diaries per week)

[tacit sequoia]

yeah