latest-updates

[dull minnow]

look for unhistorical in the workshop and it should appear

[dusk saffron]

is there a rollback for the latest war effort update?? currently in the middle of a long game i would like to continue

[full ermine]

highly unlikely, you have to restart

[stoic mist]

If the dev diaries start in October, any wagers on when we'll get the actual DLC?

[harsh hull]

November 25th at 14:16, London Standard Time

My source is that I made it up

[dull minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-gif-26213045

[jolly bluff]

Yeah okay I take that back.

[dusk saffron]

DAMN

this is why i prefer playing CK2: no more random updates

[full ermine]

sorry boss, i understand your pain

it is annoying to do, they do rollbacks , like every 5 updates or so

[dusk saffron]

Thanks, might just start rolling back to the last update before i start any new save to be safe

[south meadow]

T-72

correct if im wrong

now after you said that i figured it looks like ai generated

[main viper]

new dlc when

[cyan juniper]

tomorrow

[hollow coral]

Lore accurate communist china omg

[jolly bluff]

Even without a Soviet invasion, this shi made me happy.

[hollow coral]

China rlly needs an update oml

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, content's pretty old, the allegiance of all the different warlords isn't even taken into account, the list goes on.

[hollow coral]

Ik people are asking for seperate focuses for the warlords but there is not much information about them to make a focus tree that is up to standard

Maybe they should also have a focus to reform the beiyang government

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, just showing their allegiance like in RT56 would be nice.

[hollow coral]

Also china rlly doesnt have any alt his focuses

Like to support the blue shirt society

Or to work with japan

[jolly bluff]

Like for example during the Chinese Civil War, make the warlords loyal to the nationalists have the option to become a satellite nation and fight against the communists under the nationalist banner with some degree of autonomy.

[hollow coral]

Or china could pressure the warlords to annex them

[jolly bluff]

Yea

[hollow coral]

Which is lore accurate

Because the current subjugate warlords is rng fest

Also I hate it when the warlords join japan in alt his

The warlords are supposed to be unrecognised

[jolly bluff]

Diplomacy just needs to be reworked though.

[hollow coral]

Yeh especially guarentees

[jolly bluff]

For example, I don't see why I should lose political power as France if I sent an attache to China and Mengjiang out of all nations sends a diplomatic protest.

Like, bro, I don't even consider your existance.

[hollow coral]

You should just lose a lot of opinion to that country

[jolly bluff]

Yeah.

The League of Nations should really just be implemented.

The recognising of nations as well.

[hollow coral]

Like when i was playing kingdom of norway i need a lot of war support to continue but i always keep losing pp from the attache

[hollow coral]

Yeh some countries should have unrecognised national spirit so they wuld be less likely to get guarenteed or join a faction

[jolly bluff]

True, it makes no sense that the UK guarantees the independence of some random-ass state in Siberia or something like that.

[hollow coral]

I just hate it when uk guarentees latvia and i have to fight the entire allies including usa

[jolly bluff]

Same, but at least imo I think that it's a bit goofy that the usual strat as a minor nation is "do as many early conquests as you can before the UK and France start guaranteeing shit"

[hollow coral]

Yeh

[jolly bluff]

I mean in real life most nations took advantage of the fact that the major powers of the world were duking it out to make their own conquests.

[hollow coral]

Also if you justify on a territory you should be able to negotiate peace if you capture that territory

[jolly bluff]

True, or just allow for a surrender favouring the defender if thrown into a defensive war.

I'm sick of seeing Romania having to take over all of the Soviet Union because the Union attacked it.

Like for example, if the attacking side suffers lots of casualties and isn't able to break the defensive line of the defensive side, then the defensive side should be to sue for peace with additional conditions.

Such as demilitarising the border or paying war reparations.

[hollow coral]

There rlly isnt any use for demilitarisation accept for the achievement

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, demilitarised zones should be implemented like that for example. A good example of them being implemented in a scripted peace is in the Italo-Turkish War for the Levant in TNO.

If Turkey fails to take the Levant from Italy it will have to demilitarise the border areas around Aleppo and Damascus.

[hollow coral]

Or maybe you can demand land if you have a lot of army

I also dont see why you cant give land to someone

Instead its occupied states

If you have cores on land and another country has cores on you kand if you want to give one province back than you have to give all the land back

[jolly bluff]

Speaking of which, why does the Chinese Civil War always end up with total war?

You know what, I'm going to give Paradox the benefit of the doubt as in this scenario it makes more sense for it to be like this but still.

[hollow coral]

Communist china never wins the civil war

[jolly bluff]

Going to intervene and hoping it doesn't, can China even peace out with the Soviets?

[hollow coral]

Idk

When i was plsying manchukuo china got guarenteed by germany so had to fight the whole central powers

And i lost

Because its just me vs the whole central powers

Germany always gets too powerful in games

Major main character syndrome

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, Germany's rework really needs to make it more difficult to play.

You will almost never feel the true crippling manpower and fuel shortages Germany experienced throughout the war.

[hollow coral]

Unless you getting tanked by the whole world

It should be like italy

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, like slightly stronger as Germany's economy was stronger Italy's but still having to fix up some issues such as the aforementioned manpower shortages.

[obtuse ingot]

They killed off a lot of potential manpower

[jolly bluff]

And got rid of a lot of talented individuals as well.

[obtuse ingot]

They could have a “service guarantees citizenship” type deal and then just happened to have them as the frontline

[obtuse ingot]

In some media they have to enlist children

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jo-rabbit-yorki-ciao-jo-rocket-explode-gif-16923087

You can bet how that turned out

[outer whale]

Chak
What's ur favorite country on Europe continent

On hoi4

U like Canada but
If u had to play at europe

Who would that be

[calm bramble]

Is there even a chance any info on the next dlc might be revealed before october 3rd? 😔

[hollow coral]

there is a chance to be patient

[stable tusk]

Let the devs cook

Also October 3rd gives us a lot of clues

1. Reunification of Germany after the Cold War
2. First British nuclear test
3. Prince Maximilian von Baden appointed Chancellor, which leads to the Kaiser's abdication
4. May-Johnson Bill introduced to Congress, the bill never passed but it was created to keep atomic research a secret

[full ermine]

what does it do in-game?

[still coral]

Idk

[full ermine]

i checked

its left-over from 2016

It may change to "Substance addict" which gives a -2 to all combat skills, similar to "Recently promoted" and "Recently demoted".

[still coral]

Unfortunate

[hollow coral]

hey thats not very nice, i only take a bit of meth

and i take care of them i would never abuse them🥰

[still coral]

[obtuse ingot]

1 has the most potential…

Would be interesting to see post-war content as a way to expand

[pseudo wing]

I do not have a 'favourite' so to speak, but I've done quite a bit of Italy and denmark playthrough's

I like to go Fascist Denmark and take over the Nordics, and As Italy I quite enjoy the Ethiopia conflict and the different ways you can resolve it

I've also done Communist France a Bunch but I am not very good at France

and so those playthroughs have remained quite short-lived lol

[outer whale]

Did you do greater Denmark

Coring northern Germany

[pseudo wing]

nah, I tend to ally with Germany when doing Denmark games

[outer whale]

Lol

[outer whale]

You actually can make germany not declare war on u

Mostly non aggression part and higher relations works for AI

To not declare war on u

[pseudo wing]

I am aware, but I still like to ally with them, because I like the challenge of fighting the Allies

I'm not a good/great player but a challenge is fun

[outer whale]

Ohh

[polar jasper]

Stinky collaborator, go do the independence path.

Also when is the independence path going to have Germany declare war on you and not have you declare war on Germany, invoking the tripartite pact and making it an offensive war

[exotic kelp]

hello yalls

id like to see a hoi4 modding tutorial on how to make new Units and templates

like from the official hoi4 yt channel i mean

[outer whale]

Also

Chak

Do u think there shall be a

Axis speech pack

Mussolini

Painter

[polar jasper]

That wouldn't fly

That would not fly at all

[outer whale]

Oswald Mosley

[polar jasper]

They can't even have the portraits in some countries

You think they would allow speeches?

[outer whale]

I mean we have stalin's speech

Which is evil and even more evil than the evils I mentioned

[polar jasper]

Well countries are fine with allowing one evil dictator

And started invading everyone

[pseudo wing]

imma just say to not continue listing the things they did there, jon + arda

[outer whale]

Ok

[pseudo wing]

but as far as I am aware, we are not planning on it

[outer whale]

Alr

[polar jasper]

Random thing, thx for making Brazil not declare war

For the conference focus

It was clearly you and not a developer

[outer whale]

Also thanks to the developers for fixing bulgaria @pseudo wing

Finally I won't have civil wars when soviets randomly declare war on me

[pseudo wing]

I mean, I am a dev in technicality, but not someone who knows how to code, correct

I like to think of myself as one, at least considering I contribute to the games through input both of the community and my own

But yes, it was totally me ofc, I am making sure everyone goes to Brazil

[polar jasper]

You are the link between the coders and the community and have to wade through the mess of the community for good ideas and such lol

[pseudo wing]

I think there's always a kernel of good in ideas, even if they'd never work

[edgy walrus]

Maybe could be speeches from other countries, like from the Spanish Civil War, the Chinese-Japanese War, or from countries in Scandinavia, Eastern-Europe, Latin-America, India, or the Arabic Countries.

[obtuse ingot]

Horstorical is that like … EAW mod?

[hard smelt]

EAW best mod

[dire pumice]

Each bigger dlc of hoi4 would introduce a new system to the game. What do u think will be next? I feel that it could be infantry equipment editor since it's the easiest to implement.

[jolly bluff]

It’s going to be proper atomic bombs.

[obtuse ingot]

More Espionage….

Useful in Resistance groups all round

And could be useful in post game

[jolly bluff]

Right now, atomic bombs, as they currently are are just strategic bombs.

[obtuse ingot]

Atomic smomic… espionage is the content gold

[jolly bluff]

First of all, they can’t completely destroy a division, they barely do any damage to state infrastructure and population and they are also cheap as hell to produce.

[dire pumice]

would love to see but it feels more of a patch to an existing mechanic, a bigger dlc often will add a series of new features with a new gui or something, like the market,the spy, or the new manufacturer series thing

although the game is already much more complicated compared to the original version lol

[jolly bluff]

The atomic bomb IS going to get reworked. The teaser showed one and it also had a quote from Werner Heisenberg, the leader of the German nuclear weapons program, encrypted in morse code (and an enigma if I can recall correctly).

[jolly bluff]

Well atomic bombs will probably be made harder to attain.

They’ll probably no longer just be something you can obtain and use as Tannu Tuva.

You’ll most likely have to invest both economic and political power into having an atomic bomb.

[dire pumice]

😮

[jolly bluff]

I’m also really hoping they add atomic tests. I’d really like to see the Trinity Test for example. No matter what nation you are playing as, the game will pause and your map will get moved to Los Alamos where you’ll see the American atomic test succeed.

[whole crow]

Adding onto this do some sort of nuke rework where the first country to build a nuke could choose where to test it and name the test (like a faction name)

Cause if its non historical and the us doesn’t exist whats gonna happen then

[obtuse ingot]

Use Nuke ~ awaken Godzilla

[cinder mountain]

Can someone join me in a chat quick so I can screen share and ask wtf I'm doing wrong?

cause I'm fairly certain I'm doing everything right to launch a naval invasion, but it won't launch

[south meadow]

naval supremacy?

[cinder mountain]

absolute

[south meadow]

sure?

50%

[cinder mountain]

I think it's 100%

got 400 naval bombers plus patroling subs

it's also local so radar is providing intel

[timid hawk]

Yeah but at least it's funny

[fallen kite]

Researched naval invasion tech?

Have convoys?

[cinder mountain]

max tech and have convoys

I think I ended up figuring it out, it looked like the canadians invaded and took it somehow while I was preparing

[jaunty notch]

When will we get a German focus tree rework? It’s kinda boring compared to the newer ones. I love the Scandinavian ones in AAT.

[tacit sequoia]

be ready for october 3rd dev diaries

[jaunty notch]

Paradox my wallet is ready for more Focus tree DLC’s 😂

[solid gyro]

so anyway i started blasting paying

[surreal cradle]

I hope Germany rework comes with a better civil war

[hexed mango]

Most probably

[calm bramble]

Yugoslavia should get something similar to the polish exile tree where tito or another faction liberates yugoslavia

[hollow lion]

While that sounds cool, in reality there seems to be no way to have a partisan uprising in Yugoslavia work well

Because IRL Germany was just playing Whac-A-Mole against Tito, in the game you have to either insanely buff the Yugoslavs, or run the risk of them being defeated quite easily, neither that fun

[wind tundra]

i play as poland

[viral cloud]

It may be not mega fun but i think there could a partisan uprising like the serbia vs imro war in kaiserreich where it's alot of decisions and ≈25% of fight (english is not my first language so i don't know how to propelly explain, if someone know the serbia vs imro war in kaiserreich it could help)

[tacit sequoia]

I’m hoping that Czechoslovakia gets included in new dlc

Germany Austria Belgium Czechoslovakia Luxembourg (possibly Hungary since you can’t separate Austria-Hungary duo)

[solid gyro]

I think hungary is gonna be in it cause if austria gets one then they prob get a extension to their existing tree for the other new focues etc

[tacit sequoia]

True

[solid gyro]

But it prob be like they did with paraguay or uruguay not sure anymore cause one of those two where hidden in the dlc

[tardy raven]

do we know why we did not get dev diary?

even thou they insisted one is coming?

or no, they will just show some bullshit tomorow...

sadge

i expected something intresting today

[solid gyro]

We get one on 3rd of october well that is what we got told

I could be wrong though

[royal vigil]

New update, still no fixing the broken focuses because we paid PDX money for DLCs

This galaxy brain strategy of releasing new content that doesn't naturally work with DLCs, or making DLCs that breaks the game because no one bothered to check how the interactions work.

[tacit sequoia]

Yeah, people who keep asking or get mad about it not being sooner have to calm down a bit lol

[sweet seal]

they’re doing a germany rework?

[solid gyro]

Yeah in the teaser on yt its pretty obivous thats its gonna be reworked and we get a dev diary on the 3rd of october

[obtuse ingot]

German espionage end game???

[tender bolt]

Rework ??? ( finlly ) pls rework japan too :D

[solid gyro]

Well that would be awesome but i think germany will get it first and then japan will prob also be reworked

Which would be really cool for both theatres

[hollow lion]

wha...

[polar jasper]

Well, the game isn't broken. You just didn't adapt

[royal vigil]

What are you talking about?

I mean broken as in "does not work" not "wahhh i dont want to learn new things"

The context clues are all there in the sentence.

[royal vigil]

Short version: BBA breaks a lot of focuses that have to do with air

[hollow lion]

in mods you mean?

in vanilla they fixed most of this immediately

[polar jasper]

Ah, my brain finally decided to read interactions correctly

[royal vigil]

No, several focuses still lack updates to have BBA related changes. Japan great example. Others like Yugoslavia get literally their same exact current production '36 aircraft, but with an extra set of machine guns. Or engine 2. I forget which, but it's literally a dead focus cause it's deep down, where as non-bba it gives you a 2 year ahead bonus.

[rugged plank]

i guess he means how a lot of focusses still say „naval bomber“ instead of medium & small aircraft

[royal vigil]

I'm not worried about the semantics because the bonuses are all still there. What does bother me is how the Zero focus can't be bypassed even if you already have a better aircraft because the game checks for the non-bba CV fighter 2 tech.

Which is why I said, we paid PDX for DLCs and got broken focuses for our trouble.

[hollow lion]

I had the impression it wasnt that bad, although I never play vanilla I had assumed that issue being absent for R56 meant it must be absent there

[polar jasper]

I do agree there is a problem. There just needs to be a no dlc version and dlc version of the focus. Treaty with USSR for example is different depending on DLC

[hollow lion]

[royal vigil]

Also forever in the waiting room for the exclusivity to be removed from Japan's naval tree.

[rugged plank]

kinda true

[polar jasper]

Funny US advanced medium bombers in 1941 or 42

[polar jasper]

Yeah, I always found that dumb

[royal vigil]

Also all MIOs need to be unlocked by default

[rugged plank]

1940

thats dumb

[royal vigil]

No it isn't

Japan shouldn't have Kure locked behind a focus.

[rugged plank]

oh that

yh still kinda dumb

[polar jasper]

I think they changed some to be add size instead of unlocked

[rugged plank]

thats a balancing issue it most, not a game issue

[polar jasper]

Think they recently did that to some countries

[rugged plank]

yeah they did

i think it would be cooler tho if paradox used their time actually balancing/reworking all the broken af game mechanics

[royal vigil]

The only MIOs that should be locked are the joint MIOs from another country

[rugged plank]

so we dont need rulesets that ban 69billion things

like imagine if paradox fixed logi striking and strat bombing

or always engage subs

or straits

or the 68 billion 999 million 999996 other things that make vanilla mp unplayable ._.

[royal vigil]

Am I the only one who has no issues with sub cheese

[rugged plank]

you may be the only one here who doesnt play mp yes

[royal vigil]

I figured out that mess years ago, even put it in my naval guide

[rugged plank]

cool story

[polar jasper]

What are the problems with these

Too strong or something?

[rugged plank]

logi strike is too strong, strat bombing railways and refs is too

basically refs instaexplode

and take ages to repair

[royal vigil]

this sounds like skill issue

do you just not have interception or aa?

[rugged plank]

when if ref bombing is allowed axis lose air war in the first 5 days

[cyan juniper]

does refs get reduction from dispersed?

[rugged plank]

shush person with 0 experience

[rugged plank]

probably not

wouldnt even matter tho

[cyan juniper]

seems like you never got logi striked / strat bombed

[rugged plank]

agency planning disruption is also one of the unplayable-makers

[rugged plank]

this guy hasnt even played mp so he cant know

[royal vigil]

so you're telling me you don't spread your industry naturally, don't build aa, and don't set up defensive air wings with built up air bases so even if those get bombed you don't lose air efficiency.

[cyan juniper]

usa can stack strat bombers in britain and focus all of them in one zone

[rugged plank]

your refs still explode in the first week

[polar jasper]

I like the idea of leveling peoples industry

[cyan juniper]

you need to deploy 500 fighters to intercept every zone

lol

[rugged plank]

and then you get farmed ;)

enjoy ac microing that

[cyan juniper]

then when you move fighters halts strike

[royal vigil]

literally who even are you

[rugged plank]

someone who plays mp

imagine if paradox removed force attack stacking

would be such an easy fix…

[royal vigil]

didn't realize that qualifies you to shit on people for giving you solutions to your own shortcomings

it sounds like youre someone who hates rules that stops you from early warring and hyper cheesing a game

[rugged plank]

i hate rules that make the game unwinnable for one side yes

[royal vigil]

i've yet to play an mp game that is unwinnable for any side

except through incompetence

[rugged plank]

you also have yet to play an mp game

[royal vigil]

what makes you say that

because i haven't played one with you?

[rugged plank]

what mods have you played

[royal vigil]

tfb and i played 56 years ago, i forget what other extra mods here and there were mixed in

[rugged plank]

so two distinctly non-vanilla mods

[royal vigil]

I prefer vanilla

less issues

you asked what mods ive played not what i prefer playing

so, buzz off with your loaded question

[hollow lion]

I play modded for having less issues

[royal vigil]

i meant more in the compatibility sense

easier to find games

[hollow lion]

[rugged plank]

i play modded for not having a game last 10 hours

[fresh cedar]

Mod’s tend to be slower though?

[rugged plank]

only alt hist mods

for hist mods the main purpose is to increase game performance

at least vanilla-hist mods

[fresh cedar]

Or to just represent history better lol

[rugged plank]

dont know about that 👀

[rugged plank]

but yeah thats the main reason i dont play alt hist

cuz the mods are always so freaking slow

[fresh cedar]

HOI4 vanilla historical feels like historical as of late

[rugged plank]

rly?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, I just feel like the Allie’s will randomly get involved in things

Like countries will randomly choose sides late war

[rugged plank]

eh

gotta have some fun i guess

[fresh cedar]

Think they should just have historical be historical. Then have some like inbetween with historical off that let’s that happen

But in my experience never had mods make the game run better

[rugged plank]

im talking about mp in case u missed that

[fresh cedar]

Does the HOI4 chat really need that level of intensity 💀

[fresh cedar]

I am too in terms of performance

[rugged plank]

then u havent played the right mods

like elwolf is already probably twice as fast as vanilla

[fresh cedar]

Have tried quite a few. For me vanilla tends to run fine with my friends.

[rugged plank]

yeah in small games

not when u have 20 players

[fresh cedar]

Have done elwolf, slowed my friends down

Idk if their machines just couldn’t keep up with mine or what

[rugged plank]

it was peobably that

or internet

[royal vigil]

I just don't like ego

[rugged plank]

funny same here

[royal vigil]

wild

[fresh cedar]

Feel like it’s moreso social ineptitude than ego honestly. They come across as very argumentative but it’s probably just because they truly believe they’re right and lack the tact to relay that in a way that acknowledges others preferences while pushing their own. Wouldn’t get worked up over it honestly, it’s just the nature of gamers sometimes lol.

But same prefer vanilla. Less buggy

[cyan juniper]

[solid gyro]

Does anyone play Vanilla

For the trees?

[fresh cedar]

Wdym?

[solid gyro]

I play Vanilla hoi4 because it'd generally more enjoyable and polished than mods

[fresh cedar]

Same. Generally more balanced too

[solid gyro]

Fr

R56 is alright but feels like a step down

ND sometimes Kaiserreich feels too on-rails

And uh TNO/TWR are both amazing

But no war really happens

[cyan juniper]

nothing to do: more balanced

[fresh cedar]

Must be talking about TNO.

[solid gyro]

There's alot to do in Vanilla

[south meadow]

tno is only reading

lol

[fresh cedar]

TNO might as well be a manga

[solid gyro]

It's like a novel which makes it cool

But like

[south meadow]

but hoi4 is more based on war

[solid gyro]

Hakf of hou4 is sending millions to die over a single state

[south meadow]

so that mods are boring

[solid gyro]

Fr

[fresh cedar]

How do you usually play? I find there are lots of things to do in vanilla.

Most countries have like 3-6 paths, and you can go further by deciding which people to ally/invade. Adding extreme variability on how to play

[cyan juniper]

true for latest dlc, south america (nobody plays other than americans)

[fresh cedar]

Still had a decent bit of variety to it imo

I liked the end goals of that DLC though. Wish more countries could take over continents

[tardy raven]

um

[cyan juniper]

lazy design

[tardy raven]

did they post the new stuff?

[fresh cedar]

While it wasn’t super relevant to a WW2 game I thought it was fun

[tardy raven]

or is is still forgotten?

[fresh cedar]

Oct 3rd my guy

[tardy raven]

wait a month or i'm dum?

[fresh cedar]

What about it? Like Army/Navy trees were lazy. But the actual focus paths were cool. Mapuche Chile, German Argentina, Communist/Democratic Brazil

[tardy raven]

then why bother posting about it now...

wtf

[fresh cedar]

In a month yes

[cyan juniper]

coring entire continent is lazy design

most of these countries hate eachother

they are not even ethnically same

[fresh cedar]

The same could be said for the Roman Empire, HRE, Great Britain, European Union lol

[cyan juniper]

those existed irl at least

or still exists

[fresh cedar]

And can things only exist if they have in the past? Things cannot form?

Hispanic identity is more united than the Roman Empire ever could be again

[cyan juniper]

me uniting world is more likely than south american unification

[fresh cedar]

I disagree, I believe one strong central government who labels the US as their opposition as a means of unification could accomplish that. Imagine going from poverty to prosperity and supplanting your main oppressor

Empires have been built on less

[cyan juniper]

south america is usa's backyard

[fresh cedar]

Exactly why most of the South American unification trees end in opposing the US

It’s unity through an independence war.

[cyan juniper]

how many countries support maduro?

[fresh cedar]

Again, same argument can be made for 99% of formables in HOI4 yet they exist

[cyan juniper]

uniting entire continent is still a lazy design

they did that with ethiopia too

[fresh cedar]

Ethiopia is quite hard to accomplish though, and time intensive

Like you have to help countries rebel then you integrate

I think the South American ones should just be harder. Like Spanish countries should easily core Spanish ones and Portuguese the portuguese

[cyan juniper]

yes it takes until 1960 to accomplish that

[fresh cedar]

But integrating the other/rivals should be harder

[cyan juniper]

probably nobody in paradox play tested that

[fresh cedar]

I mean South Africa can puppet all of Africa relatively quickly

I think Chile probably has the best trees out of South America

Like the most plausible apart from French/Native paths

But the fact that the one only cores former Spanish empire makes sense

[cyan juniper]

idk how many more low effort dlcs you need to consume to call something lazy

[rain ingot]

what yall talking about

Irl?

[fresh cedar]

That DLC wasn’t even made by paradox 😂

[rain ingot]

World is too diversified across races and religions, and their own inner struggles to team up

[fresh cedar]

Was legit just to tie us over between major DLC

[fresh cedar]

Nah he’s just trying to say how impossible the South American unity trees are. When I argue the game already has impossible formables so I don’t care

[cyan juniper]

wym no hecking wholesome independence war against usa?

[rain ingot]

They are impossible

like irl i wouldnt believe that would happen

thats crazy

[cyan juniper]

i dont like other schizoid formables either

[rain ingot]

Especially central america

[fresh cedar]

Yes just as Rome, Byzantium, Romanov’s are etc

[rain ingot]

they are NOT teaming up

[rain ingot]

Well yes

hoi4 is hoi4

[fresh cedar]

Bro it’s not “teaming up” they get conquered 😂

This is how empires form

[rain ingot]

idk the focuses

[fresh cedar]

Did the Roman Empire “Team up” and sing songs with their neighbors? No, it went to war and conquered them

[rain ingot]

im just saying

[fresh cedar]

Only one that’s like that is Democratic Brazil no?

[rain ingot]

well ur only telling me that now

I dont play south america

or america

[fresh cedar]

Like 3/4 of the South American trees involve conquest

Kinda similar to Germany gobbling Europe on historical

[rain ingot]

Real

[fresh cedar]

Okay, so play historical? 💀

I personally like the flavor they add. Adds replayability

[cyan juniper]

i dont like paradox adding schizo dlcs to grab money and please 12 yo kids from x nation

last dlc will be a galactic empire for albania

[fresh cedar]

It’s a World War game though. Why wouldn’t they add them?

Swear some people treat it like it’s Napoleonic wars V2. 😂

[obtuse ingot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=830323030 that’s this one

💡
You have heard of historical… what about antihistorical, where everyone does the opposite

[fresh cedar]

Well the HOI4 community often thinks only Europe should be updated. Wish North Africa and The Pacific were more fleshed out

[obtuse ingot]

They’re more like ww1 locations

African /Arabian theater during ww1 & pacific theater during ww1 are 🔥

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_and_Pacific_theatre_of_World_War_I

[royal vigil]

I feel like for the Pacfic War to get any real traction we'd need the islands to be more than one tile.

And likewise change ships to have more base range.

Also there's issues like this. https://gyazo.com/7f63da0ed0a939a8d3c8de2d42efadeb

Awkwardly having one obtuse polygon of "I can't reach that" within an entire sea zone that is accessible.

https://gyazo.com/b3c1986a02d89ede0f0a738534a1b5d2
This is your T3 cruiser base range, and T4 DD can't even come close to it. DDs need their range increased to at least 2000km base range and increase at the same rate as cruisers (500km). T4 DD has the same range as T1 cruiser. Which is kind of silly.

[fresh cedar]

Which seems entirely possible tbh

[royal vigil]

I'm not so sure. That would probably require an overhaul of the sea zones and the map itself in a way that really wouldn't be feasible.

Hoi4 always felt 'small' to me

With really awkward scaling

Interesting.

[obtuse ingot]

Inb4 Godzilla rises from the depths

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-cute-rainbow-gif-10199176

[fresh cedar]

I mean they managed to make other islands have multiple tiles in the Scandinavian DLC as well as the South American one.

Plus Southeast Asia was a big part of the pacific, not just the island hopping in the more northern pacific

North Africa and Southeast Asia easily could have dedicated DLC’s

[hexed mango]

Dev diary in 29 days from now

[obtuse ingot]

Probably the next Big DLC packs.

[hexed mango]

Country packs*

[long timber]

Will we have Heart of iron 5 after all the country in hoi4 have their own forus-tree

By adding dlc

[hexed mango]

No

We will get dlc for every countey that had dlc get reworked

💪

[cursive sparrow]

interesting indeed

[sweet seal]

next update is actually introducing dlcs for the dlcs (real not fake6

[hexed mango]

They already did that tho 😂

[pseudo locust]

They have to add like oilers or something to extend navy range

[jolly bluff]

I remember a video talking about the future of HOI4 and discussing this issue. Cities for example tend to be way too small. I mean could you imagine how cool it’d be if major cities were scattered across with tons of urban tiles to be able to represent suburbs and the cities’ actual sizes. For example a Battle of Stalingrad where the Germans are on a bunch of urban tiles on one side of the Volga, occupying part of Stalingrad, while the Soviets are on the other, still in Stalingrad.

[hollow coral]

i saw that too

[jolly bluff]

Absolutely, I’d also like to see some more historical and semi-historical alt-history paths. When Trial of Allegiance was first announced I was super excited to finally see South America get some content. Needless to say I was pretty disappointed to see literally every alt-history path be some schizo Kaiserredux type shi. I ain’t got an issue with having a few of them but it’s just oversaturated to the point where it feels like Paradox just took the Wikipedia pages of Brazil, Argentina and Chile during WWII for the historical paths and the rest was just “dominate South America as a literal child or as some French guy.”

[hollow coral]

that is frustrating that most the paths are just conquer the whole continent. but i can see why that is the most common thing they did

i wish they wouldnt put wargoals in political paths. it could be like russias historical path where theres a political path but also foreign influence

like italy

[jolly bluff]

Eh, I’d still like to see some semi-historical alt-history paths where you’re more focused on internal politics. It just feels to me that internal politics and foreign diplomacy are way too simple in-game.

[hollow coral]

true. i feel like all internal affairs is just stability

but the game is based around war

[jolly bluff]

But oh well, that’s just what sells. Nobody likes the US Congress mechanic because it forces you to actually deal with internal politics and not just take over the world so I guess Paradox also took the smart choice in terms of what makes more money.

[hollow coral]

only few countries such as mexico have very interesting internal affairs

[hollow coral]

i barely play us lol

[jolly bluff]

Yeah but that kind of defeats the whole point of a “grand strategy war game”

[hollow coral]

grand strategy as in take over the world is kind of stupid to me

[jolly bluff]

It just feels like the game is, micro your army, navy if you have one and absolutely need it, and airforce

[hollow coral]

airforce is just rlly confusing to organise to me

it would be cool if there was airforce captains

like admirals

[jolly bluff]

Yeah the air war really needs a bit of an overhaul.

For example, it has always been weird to me that you can just bomb allied countries into the dust with no consequences.

[hollow coral]

for a while i didnt even see the buttons to do missions cuz it was just out of my common field of vision

idk why they put it in the top left

[jolly bluff]

I don’t know about you, but I don’t think the Luxembourgish, Belgian and Dutch governments would be too happy if I was strat bombing their infrastructure to death as France simply because the Germans occupied their countries.

[hollow coral]

me nuking the benelux because they were occupied by germany👀

looks like the belgians dont care that i nuked their territory

[royal vigil]

I wouldn't go that far. That would mean we'd need like, convoys to go into mtg designers to give us the various aux ships.

I would like transports to be large or medium airframes though, and have options for making special ones

But no, the current naval ranges just don't make any sense. Same for the plane ranges. The scaling range for planes is ridiculous. It should start around 800km at least.

Maybe 700km, but honestly it's all down to range and scaling being really awkward.

Based on current land borders germany is ~725km east to west and ~1000km north to south.

[untold coyote]

the us congress mechanic is also much easier then it would be irl

no consideration of ideology

no compromise

no actual elections that effect stuff

[jolly bluff]

I don’t usually play the US so correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t 90% of the US Congress mechanic just building a mil wherever some random ass senator offers you support?

[untold coyote]

It's that and using pp for "lobbying"

It has no consideration for the senator's or house members' ideology

someone who is very against spending will oppose the new deal practically no matter what

and in real life much of it was blocked by congress

or had to be changed so they would let it pass

but in game you just use some pp, wait 40 days and boom, a bunch of senators now back you on anything

or a random house member speaks and gets a bunch to support or oppose you

[fading walrus]

Im playing the US in Kaiserredux

Im having a blast

No random congressional stuff

Just me fighting Japan like irl

[sly river]

https://tenor.com/view/makima-hello-chat-hello-chat-chainsaw-man-gif-8765899257163190998

[fading walrus]

My plan to defeat Japan is to take Indonesia

Then push up and take the Philippines which are allied with them

[hollow lion]

[hollow lion]

You can jump straight onto the mainland unless its outside naval reach

[frank gulch]

NAS coal

[obtuse ingot]

Is U571 in hoi4?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-571_(film)

[novel coral]

you can just name a really good submarine U-571

[solid gyro]

Frankish empire expansion for france when cause if the European union is a formable nation in the game then it should be be fair for that aswell right?

[fading walrus]

That would anger german nationalists who play this game though

[vast shore]

no it wouldnt lol

[solid gyro]

Why would it anger them? germany got like one op formable nation which i wont say cause idk if its allowed by the rules but lets just say it has something to do with the funny mustache man so i would say its fair that france gets something for alt-hist enjoyers like myself

Cause lets be real the napoleon path aint that interesting

[obtuse ingot]

I mean in terms of submarine warfare

It’d be fun to play as Rogue Soviet submarine captain

[pseudo locust]

Buff submarines

[obtuse ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/sean-connery-gif-24907914

Can paradox add battleship minigame for pacific theater ? 😂

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-youve-sunk-my-battleship-gif-25203446

[calm bramble]

germany's only formable (from a decision) that actually gives any cores is the hre

the one you're referring to just changes the name and colour 😔

but you're right still

[solid gyro]

Oh yeah forgot about the HRE but i really hope that you can Form it as austria in the new dlc cause that would make more sense

[vagrant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007440928761466996/1280304728777031770/speechmemified_imagehh.png.gif

[molten vault]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-this-cursed-delete-delete-that-delete-meme-gif-25856233

[fresh cedar]

Germany should really form the EU through focuses while Austria the HRE.

[solid gyro]

They can form it if you go the democratic path as germany i already tested that the only weird thing is on why germany can form the HRE

Oh wait

nvm through focues yeah your right i got a bit confused there

[fresh cedar]

Yeah similar to Brazil’s new United States of South America tree

Like invite, integrate, core

And ideally all European states not the few atm

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Always bothered me Iberia, the Balkans, Baltics and Scandinavia couldn’t be cored

[solid gyro]

Would also be good to get a decision or focus for belgium which lets you unite the entire benelux in one entity

[solid gyro]

Same

[calm bramble]

amazing idea

[fresh cedar]

I feel Belgium will have that and an African colonization tree

[cyan juniper]

are you a socialist

[solid gyro]

Yeah cause rn i think only those three countries in europe which still got the generic tree is luxembourg,belgium and austria so i would say in the new dlc will be like this: germany is getting reworked with some new focuses then the other three get a tree

[fresh cedar]

How does uniting Europe under democracy equate to socialism. 💀

Weird question

[cyan juniper]

world citizen libs are worse than that

slav ukrain or something

[fresh cedar]

Yeah always bothered me how Belgium and Austria got nothing. Like Austria could be the first driving force to nerf Germany in alt history

[solid gyro]

Fr like imagine you get a focus on which you can deny the anschluss but you need to have a certain manpower on the field or you go the HRE path as them and just conquer them entirely

[fresh cedar]

Like Austria refuses, has similar war to Ethiopia and if Germany fails the war H man gets toppled by military to get Democratic/Monarchy path, or by SS to get Communist/Nzi path

[solid gyro]

I feel like this new dlc will have a commie path for germany and some new ones for the mustache man

[fresh cedar]

Has to have one

Communism was mega prevalent interwar

[fresh cedar]

Would be cool

Really looking forward to a German tree with NSB quality

[solid gyro]

Fr if they to it like NSB then it will give a fresh wind for germany as a whole

[fresh cedar]

Like Germany with gradual upgrades to its ground, air and sea forces would be so nice

Genuinely though democratic Germany needs an EU path

[solid gyro]

Fr i really hope we get something good on the 3rd of october

they better be cooking

[fresh cedar]

I mean they have been working on this all year

The South American DLC wasn’t even paradox, so they’ve been completely focused on this

[solid gyro]

Well the south american dlc was alright even if it wasnt paradox

Not good but also not bad

[fresh cedar]

It’s in a much better state now that it’s been nerfed

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Initially it was way too cracked

I do like the US of South America though

[solid gyro]

Well i hope paradox makes a good job like they did with NSB cause if they do then all that is missing is some trees in asia and for the middle east as a bonus

[fresh cedar]

Would like something similar for most continents

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

Curious to see what hidden path they add tbh

[solid gyro]

Yeah well ig we will see

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey has to add content to every major for the Superweapons though

[solid gyro]

Yeah like give them a seperate focus which is mainly on superweapons (Nukes etc)

[fresh cedar]

Has to be tailored for each one imo, can’t be a copy and paste like TOA military trees

Because they genuinely all did it differently

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

And the “Hire German/Italian scientists” decision has to buff nuke research speed

[solid gyro]

I really hope that we get the valkyrie focus aswell cause lets say germany loses then you can focus that like romania with king michaels coup

Like they did try it in irl

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[solid gyro]

And its a 50/50 chance so it can also fail

[fresh cedar]

Should be a thing where you can boost its chances

[zenith cargo]

ToA was made in house

[fresh cedar]

Swear trial of allegiance was contracted a bit?

[solid gyro]

Yeah like in the decisions tab where it says "operation valkyrie" and there are some options

[zenith cargo]

It was not

[fresh cedar]

Heck I’ve been misinformed 😂

Thanks for correcting me

It was one of the most fun DLC I’ve played in a while though. Liked it more than the Scandinavian one despite the backlash

[solid gyro]

Ngl i never understood on why they hated TOA

[zenith cargo]

No problem, its probably that it was a second team, but it is still just part of the Hoi team

[fresh cedar]

That probably was it yeah

[fresh cedar]

I think most deemed the region irrelevant I guess? HOI4 players tend to get salty if the DLC isn’t European. Plus it was super OP on launch

[hard smelt]

i liked it :3

[zenith cargo]

Expectations mostly. Some people want mechanics and expected it, despite it never being sold

And value proposition

[solid gyro]

Yeah but tbh no one at paradox forced them to buy it like its their own free will if they want it or not

[fresh cedar]

I legit had zero gripes with it and played all the trees within like a couple days

[solid gyro]

Well i have alot of fun with it

[fresh cedar]

Aren’t consumers great?

Past 30 dlc they’ve been like “Update Germany when”

[solid gyro]

They are lol well tbh its always been this way

[zenith cargo]

Most people who like stuff never leave a good review, but people who hate stuff leave a bad one. Its just how it is :p

[fresh cedar]

What mechanic would even be sold with a South American dlc? 💀

Like a rework to the puppet/resource rights mechanic maybe?

[solid gyro]

I got the mindset once a dlc comes out i got the urge to buy it on day one change my mind

[fresh cedar]

I see HOI4 dlc, I buy it. 😂

[solid gyro]

Fr

[zenith cargo]

Idk, I think it could be clearer that q mechanic dlc isn't impacted by a content dlc. Some people seemed to think it's either or, but it isn't really.

It's just addition. Some people questioned why SA as well, and that's fair, but there's reason why it was picked. It is also a good testbed for stuff

Arheos thoughts pretty much sums it up
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/reception-thoughts-patch-1-14-2-checksum-fbf7.1630169/

[solid gyro]

Cant wait for the game which paradox makes but i forgot the name from it

Something with cesar i think

[zenith cargo]

Ah yeah, it's project Caesar

[solid gyro]

Yeah that i think from the name alone it prob will set in the ancient times with rome right?

[zenith cargo]

I can't tell 🤫

But people have guessed based on screenshot borders

[fresh cedar]

I think any region is good in a world war game. Like granted maybe some regions should come first but the world is fair game

[fresh cedar]

Imperator Rome V2 😂

Roman Civil War would be neat

[solid gyro]

Imperator rome wasnt that bad tbh well for me it wasnt

[fresh cedar]

I loved it up until it got axed 😔

[zenith cargo]

2.0 was a very big improvement, well from 1.0 all the way to 2.0. the team that worked in it really deserves the praise they got. It's almost a different game

[fresh cedar]

Loved cycling out governors and generals to ensure loyalty and limit influence

If the Pacific or North Africa ever gets reworked I hope general skills/heroes do too

[solid gyro]

I had a rome univeralis feeling with imperator rome just with some new mechanics and graphics

[fresh cedar]

Funny you mention Arheos explanation. I was one of the few to read all dev diaries and their replies 😂 The player base went too far on the backlash imo. Herd mentality

[solid gyro]

I have a feeling that germany will get some new inf morphs like the soviets have cause some of em have backpacks now so i think the germans will get something familiar

[zenith cargo]

I don't think it's one point that made people annoyed, but prolly several compounding factors like the area, lack of mechanics, macro-economic and regional pricing etc

A lot of what developers can't really affect, the only thing that we didn't catch (except bugs but that's always there) was some balancing issues

[solid gyro]

People always try to find something to complain about thats something which wont change in the future

[fresh cedar]

+20% & +8% attack for Argentina 😂

Argentina basically was the God Emperor during the Unification wars with it’s buffs

[untold coyote]

The one problem with this is probably germany

They saw nuclear stuff as jewish magic

[normal skiff]

just make it the entire navy system at this point

[untold coyote]

Literally would have never got the bomb until a german city got nuked

[solid gyro]

Wasnt germany super close in building the first nuke before the scientists switched sites like italy on a monday?

Cause i think i read somewhere about that

[fading walrus]

Factions need to be updated

[untold coyote]

At most, they were researching nuclear reactors

But they actually needed uranium

[normal skiff]

The V-2 (which I think you’re talking about) was a long-range ballistic missile meant to be used as retaliation for allied bombings

[untold coyote]

Which wasn't exactly widely present in germany

And by that, I mean that there are no uranium mines there

As a german citizen, it's very sad we don't have uranium-else I could consume a more efficient meal of 10 million calories

[solid gyro]

Nope i read somewhere that they where close but then again if its only the reactors then yeah but ik about the V2's wherent some of em in france so that they could hit britain or where those something else? i cant remember

[fading walrus]

Multi faction wars

[normal skiff]

All about efficiency over there isn’t it?

[fading walrus]

That would be cool

With more cooperation between nations in each factions

[untold coyote]

No comment

But y'know

Uranium would be a great, very efficient meal

[solid gyro]

We need more diplomacy options like state trading if you got a good reputation with said country

[fading walrus]

Which reminds me diplomacy in game

[untold coyote]

One gram of uranium-235, the most commonly used isotope for nuclear power, can release about 8.22 × 1010 joules (~20 billion calories) of energy when it undergoes complete fission

[fading walrus]

Guarantee’s need to be reworked

[untold coyote]

20 billion calories!

This is how we solve world hunger

Efficient money saving solution!

Let them eat uranium

[normal skiff]

what about say the medical bills

[solid gyro]

Nah britain only walks through the world with the guarantees in hand and says "Your getting guaranteed and your guaranteed"

[fading walrus]

Like there should be certain requirements to guarantee nations

Like high relations and stuff

[solid gyro]

Yeah cause it doesnt make sense that britain guarantees a nation on the other side of the world for no reason

[fading walrus]

Britain guaranteeing Argentina makes no sense

[solid gyro]

or any other nation

[fading walrus]

Because Argentina hates Britain

[solid gyro]

Falklands is one of the hate points against the brits

[fading walrus]

Like a nation should have the option to refuse a guarantee

Also we should have limited wars

[solid gyro]

You mean like a option with we accept or decline the guarantee?

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

as a event?

[fading walrus]

Yes

[solid gyro]

Sounds better then the current version tbh

[fading walrus]

Example Poland accepts UK and France guarantee

Speaking of UK they should be reworked eventually as well

[solid gyro]

Yeah ig paradox will rework germany then japan and the asian continent then prob the brits with the us

[fading walrus]

Communist UK should spread communism and release the colonies as communist puppets rather than completely decolonize

Also their should be economic alliances like in Kaiserredux

[solid gyro]

What would they do? didnt play much kaiserredux

[fading walrus]

Give research and consumer goods bonuses is my idea

Along with construction bonuses

[solid gyro]

I see yeah that sounds also good

[fading walrus]

UK and the Dominions would start out in one in 1936

Would make investing in the dominions more interesting as well

[solid gyro]

I hope that we got some more reichskommissariats like moskowien or something different

[fading walrus]

I hope communists and monarchist nations get unique puppets

Because they share the same type of puppets

Monarchies should have like royal oversight or something

[calm bramble]

thing is

there is no monarchist ideology

just non-aligned

[fading walrus]

True

[calm bramble]

so the regular puppet system makes sense for that ideology

for now

[fading walrus]

Communists should have reeducated vassal or something

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[calm bramble]

Still, splitting non-aligned into monarchism, anarchism and despotism/military government(ism) doesn't sound too bad in a possible ideology rework

[solid gyro]

Imagine the depth of this you got like four new ideologies and each of them can get power through decisions or if you use the minister which represents the said ideology

Like they only need to switch out some guys and boom done

[calm bramble]

me waking up as a(n) (ideology fan) in a year because my government hired an advisor, flipped and banned other ideologies

[solid gyro]

Lmao so true or the goverment just says "Alright this is boring now lets go anarchism"

"Breaking news! china decided that communism is now not hype anymore thats why they will switch to democracy for a year then after it gets boring to a different ideology"

[outer whale]

Yes

[hexed mango]

dlc info soon...

[stable tusk]

Only 27 more days

[calm bramble]

what if world tension significantly decreases once a major war ends

that makes sense in my opinion

[rain ingot]

it would

[cyan juniper]

it does happen

but beacuse countries take states wt increases

[calm bramble]

not significantly enough then

I meant like if a bunch of tension caused by the losing side of the war was undone maybe

not sure how that would be implemented

[cyan juniper]

it shows on top of the screen how wt will change

[calm bramble]

either that or a "post war" debuff

[cyan juniper]

next time look at that before annexing

[calm bramble]

gee ok

[tacit sequoia]

I hope there’s a decentralize path for Germany with shared tree for all releasable states.

Truthfully it would make sense for napoleonic France decentralization of Germany focus, and for a German Confederation + HRE path

[hexed mango]

no

no

no

[pure schooner]

Hmmm

[fresh cedar]

I just wish Germany had the option to be decentralized at the start tbh

Like what you can do to most other majors

[twilit bay]

please, just do not ask

[tacit sequoia]

yes

[tacit sequoia]

true it would be awesome

[stoic mist]

Only one question: who are you playing as?

[solid gyro]

the tdebug on corner 😭

[twilit bay]

Observe

[analog leaf]

But how the helol did this happen

[quick bramble]

When will there be a new dlc?

[tender bough]

eventually. Sometime near the end of this year

[quick bramble]

But we dont know about what nations or rumors something?

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slattery_Report

[copper oar]

above

select the new divison

infantry template 1

[solid gyro]

thaat reminds me off the battle royale mod when you release every nation

[twilit bay]

well i turned on some cheats (nocb, instant_wargoal, focus.autocomplete, focus.nochecks turned the resistance 500% faster etc) and just let thte game play for a few hours

[obtuse ingot]

How to make the Interwar period more fun?

[polar jasper]

Staring at the construction screen is surely fun

[analog leaf]

dang

[twilit bay]

actually really intresting to watch. if a nation gets to op i just start a civilwar and raise some resistance in some colonies. really wierd stuff sometimes happens there

[obtuse ingot]

Why is it fun in other games

[polar jasper]

Is it?

Also just saying, consumer goods would have to be high

Due to post war inflation and such

And also people demand their consumer goods

[obtuse ingot]

It works in vic3,
(If vic3 was 1812-1912 it wouldn’t be much a problem… but Vic 3 skips over WW1)

[polar jasper]

Vic 3 goes to 1936 basically.

Also the construction menu there is wacky, I don't get it

[outer whale]

@pseudo wing chak
have u played germany as vanilla kaiserreich

if u did how did it go

[stable tusk]

Because Vic 3 is an economy sim that focuses on construction and other ways to boost your GDP
Hoi4 is a war sim that has a really simple construction menu and no real economy system

[pseudo wing]

please do not ping me on the weekends, I don't work for Paradox on the weekends I am working my 2nd job

as for your question, though, I have not played Kaiserreich so couldn't say anything regardless haha, it's not my thing. They put a lot of work into it, though.

[outer whale]

ohh alr

sorry for it

[south meadow]

your going to get banned

[outer whale]

🙏

[fresh cedar]

Nah you should be able to do that lol. Wasn’t a moderation question even, just like asking about how they’ve played.

[outer whale]

ok

[fresh cedar]

Wish you could schedule turn notifications off for specific channels though. Like have it auto turn off on weekends

Bc I wouldn’t want to feel on the clock either

[fresh cedar]

I don’t think Paradox can or ever will have realistic causalities. Starts to get dodgy in relation to topics they’ve set out to leave out and avoid.

Stellaris is one thing but can’t really in HOI4

[obtuse ingot]

🤔 HoI4 + citybuilder?

This “capital city” would be kinda like estates, etc. and would show buildings and stuff that would benefit country.

A hospital, war memorial, etc.

[pseudo wing]

No need to be sorry, I am just reminding you since its really hard to track down one ping when I get like 200+ a day lmao

[stable tusk]

Now you're combining Hoi4 and City Skylines

[stray sundial]

is it like a total war style city development or do you actually build the city?

[obtuse ingot]

Like this… but more modern

Maybe multiple cities… like as the US… you get NYC, Chicago, etc.

[polar jasper]

let the war game stay a war game

[pseudo wing]

To be fair, I understand what you are getting at, but each Paradox game has it's niche, it is counter productive to expand into another IP's niche and pretty much cannibalizes their audiences

HOI is the textbook war sim, moving units, unit composition strats etc

If you wanna build cities, you go to City Skylines, if you want econ, vicky. I can understand wanting specific time periods but if we don't have it in-house, we're more than willing to redirect to cool mod projects that showcase said time period/theme

This kind of building you are showing here is more Milennia's style, though I can understand not wanting the combat of that game. This kind of building in a game is moreso suited to a game that is turn-based, not like HOI/Vicky/CK where once you press play everything begins happening

edit: mispellings

[obtuse ingot]

This is literally from CK3

[pseudo wing]

CK is the one brand where this can work, though I disagree with it personally

simply because it is RP oriented rather than a full-blown strategy type sim

[obtuse ingot]

Here’s one that someone used for a vic3 mod

[sinful crystal]

you think there will be a HOI 5 anytime soon?

[fading walrus]

No

Probably not until the early 2030’s at the earliest

[tender bough]

nuclear weapons & possibly Germany?

[quick bramble]

Oh good, ty

[chilly drum]

Nothing is confirmed.

The only things we know is that its somehow Nuclear bomb related.

And probably science, since the trailer message is literally a science related quote from a scientist, cant remember which one tho.

Well, nuclear bomb and enigma machine is pretty scientific too.

On one hand, Im hoping for a complete research rework, on the other it probably wont happen, or that drasticly that Im hoping for.

Since there is a community icon pack, making it obselete just few month since its release is pretty wild.

The research part of it

..oh.

I was in cryosleep for 3 weeks now and there is finally some dlc news.

Even better.

A promise of dlc news.

Back to cryopod I go.

[obtuse ingot]

Espionage overhaul with resistance groups etc.

[chilly drum]

Dlc to overhaul a dlc

Nah

Something like that should be in the free patches

[quasi sinew]

roads to power? Sheesh can't wait any longer for the new start date

[fresh cedar]

Would just rather more city occupation news messages than an I depth city planner like that. Feel like that would actually detract from the game

[fresh cedar]

I mean that’s what is going on now though? They made together for victory, death or dishonor, and the other one free so they could rework it lol.

[chilly drum]

We still dont know if devs are going to rework things related to those dlc

[mild compass]

Werner Heisenberg, and the Quote is "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning."

[stable tusk]

Werner Heisenberg

You know, the lead scientist of the Uranprojekt

[dull minnow]

hopefully they tie nuclear research ability to economic capability since it doesn't make a lot of sense for countries like nepal or liberia to develop nukes by 1948

[cyan juniper]

they will probably add a unimportant boring mechanic like this

[obtuse ingot]

Should add stuff other than nukes

[dull minnow]

true, but it would add to the realism (and it would stop my troops from getting nuked because i forgot to cover an airzone against some random country)

[obtuse ingot]

Microwave weapons for example

[cyan juniper]

realism has left the room since they started making meme formables

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine if a bomb didn’t get built and they just put a block of radioactive material in the center of town. How long until Japan figured it out

[cyan juniper]

also producing nukes are hard enough

[dull minnow]

I mean to be honest it left waaayy before that but yeah

[cyan juniper]

1 reactor takes 365 days to produce one

[obtuse ingot]

Would the Demon Core be able to explode?

[indigo kite]

yes

assuming it was initiated

[obtuse ingot]

Like if the tickling of the dragon tail wasn’t stopped… the whole place would…

https://tenor.com/view/blowing-up-killed-the-toliet-explode-gif-16139362

Answer: No. the demon core was not enriched/compressed enough? to cause detonation.

More like Chernobyl possibly. Fire… lots of radiation, but no explosion

[upbeat brook]

Anyone who speaks Portuguese to help?

[tender bough]

a german one, and the castle looks germanic, so...

[obtuse ingot]

Austria I guess? 😂

Future things I want to see:

• Reworked resistance groups. Code breaking minigame, trading spies, all countries get resistance groups the countries still keep going doing their stuff, while resistance group is acting.
(Focus: Middle East)

• Rogue Actor… let’s say you’re in a submarine and want to fire a nuke at the US/USSR. Or maybe you’re a lone actor looking to sell weapons to both sides. “Pirates” (Focus: Antarctica & Islands, Navy rework.)

•devastation mechanic… demobilization and rebuilding

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_raider

[tender bough]

What about Belgium, Albania, etc.?

[obtuse ingot]

Belgium/Albania are part of the large resistance group dlc. As they had famous resistance groups…

[tender bough]

and Bhutan, Nepal, Siam, Central America, Middle East? And what do you mean by 'lone actor'? Also, not all countries would have resistance groups.

[solid gyro]

Can these ppl just do dev diaries already bruh

[hexed mango]

They will start 3rd of Octover

[solid gyro]

I know

[hexed mango]

[solid gyro]

I can’t wait that long

My cancer kills me in a week

[hexed mango]

At least we know when they is coming

[hexed mango]

Rip

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/fent-up-who-else-up-rn-rn-gif-11018240636435400772

[obtuse ingot]

All countries…. allowing historic or nonhistoric play.

If you were taken over by Japan in nonhistoric game, you would have the ability to fight them as resistance group. Or even play as communist agitating groups in the USA

[loud geyser]

devs stop yapping and drop new dlc

navy and Japan rework asap

[solid gyro]

kamikaze rework

when you lose as japan. your pc self destructs

DEATH OR DISHONOUR

[full ermine]

Japan needs rework so it feels satisfying kicking their ass once more

[obtuse ingot]

German pirates…

[outer whale]

wow

free laptop

lmao

[tacit sequoia]

china also

[loud geyser]

yeah fs japan was literally never touched

worst country rn

[full ermine]

Waking the Tiger DLC in 2018

now part of base game

Japan in 2016 game release was much worse than the one we have now

[loud geyser]

ok but that's like 6 years ago

and I think they only added alt hist focus paths right

[full ermine]

i agree, heavily outdated

[tight blaze]

China is fine bro wdym

[tight blaze]

They need to make it so japan doesn't always die in mp

[tacit sequoia]

old af

legit needs a rework after having the small tree

[tight blaze]

It would be cool if the warlords had unique trees ig

[full ermine]

Death or Dishonor and Together for Victory nations have trash focuses

[tight blaze]

Xibie San ma should be able to make a Muslim Chinese empire...

That would be funny

[tacit sequoia]

or sinkiang with turkic chinese empire

[full ermine]

they can

they can core all of China and form Turkestan

[tight blaze]

I feel like sinkiang should have the option to split off from the rest of china since they aren't Chinese

And they could have the focuses to prepare for a war to unite the turks

[full ermine]

what Sinkiang needs is local leader that is not Sheng Shicai

its bizarre that he of all people can form Turkestan

[tight blaze]

Why is that

[full ermine]

because he is Stalinist ethnic chinese that massacred and persecuted Uyghurs and their rebellions?

[tacit sequoia]

sounds like current day china

[tight blaze]

Oh ☠️

[tight blaze]

China isn't stalinist...

But the rest is true

[tacit sequoia]

yeah they're doing everything except being stalinist lol

[full ermine]

apple doesnt fall far from the tree to be honest

Stalinist, Maoist, Leninist

[tight blaze]

Isn't a huge difference tbh

[full ermine]

same fockin thing - Arthur Shelby

[tight blaze]

I feel like the reorganised nationalist china should spawn during the sino Japanese war

Since they did make that during the war

[full ermine]

Long Yun is the best warlord and contester to rule China btw

[tacit sequoia]

i still wonder why it isn't in the game unless you puppet china

[tight blaze]

Long yun seems like a stand up guy

[full ermine]

out of the options in HoI4 and irl

Long Yun is the least terrible warlord/leader of China

and he didnt even do any crimes or weird shi

[tight blaze]

His portrait in hoi4 looks like he's animated

[tight blaze]

That's saying something since there were a lot of warlords

[full ermine]

instead he was labeled "Democratic King of Yunnan" by the people

Yunnan is so shit in the game when irl it was actually one of the most modernized parts of the country thanks to him

Guangxi should be nerfed of its resources

Li Zongren was a nutjob

Ma Bufang massacred Uyghurs and Tibetans

Yan Xishan was the queen of fencesitters, he created "ideology" that has all of the elements of liberalism, nazism, communism, monarchism and etc etc.

[tight blaze]

☠️☠️

[full ermine]

i already told about Sheng Shicai

Puyi was a pdf file

[tight blaze]

What did li zongren do

[full ermine]

he wanted to ban all forms of music

[tight blaze]

Bro

The fact there was a real chance he could come after choang

[full ermine]

and persecute those who did not comply

he was sorta ok general for Chinese standarts, but thats not saying much

[full ermine]

Chiang was a grade-A arshole too

he is not entirely different from Mao in terms of killing people

well, who else is left?

Prince De is just collaborator, and not even Chinese and cant core China

average dude with backing of Japanese thinking he could be the great monarch that could restore the legacy of its ancestor, Genghis Khan

not very interesting character

so here you go folks, Warlord Era in 1936 in nutshell for you 😄

[tight blaze]

He probably would have installed democracy after though

[tight blaze]

Very interesting actually

Thanks

[full ermine]

he wasnt a benevolent dictator, like Mustafa Kemal, mind you

he was just a dictator, he only cared about ultimate power

[full ermine]

my pleasure 😄

[tight blaze]

Didn't he say "if I die and I have made china a democracy, I will live in every home in china, but if I die and I am still a dictator, I will be in hell with all dictators"

Something like that

Not exactly what he said but it means the same thing

[full ermine]

knowing him, it wasnt sincere

in fact he would greatly enjoy Americans backing his regime

[tight blaze]

(They didn't)

[full ermine]

of course, did we expect smth else? 😅

[tight blaze]

No

I just feel like chiang was misunderstood

He did kill a lot of people on purpose mind you

And he was kind of a dumbass

He shouldn't have caused the yellow river floods

[full ermine]

well, i would say he is a total dumbass

he had it all and still made bad moves

he had the most potential of uniting China but he failed at it miserably

[tight blaze]

Maybe if someone more smart came to power we could have had a kuomintang china

[full ermine]

he couldnt even finish the job he started and crush already exhausted and low morale Maoists

and he killed loooots of people for that

[tight blaze]

Maybe if someone like Wang jingwei cane to power

[full ermine]

Long Yun is the best man for the job honestly

he was a great general and solid statesman, could work it all out

he didnt even need to be dictator, people would still choose him

[tight blaze]

But he got stuck in yunnan sadly

[full ermine]

politically yes, but he was one of the most active generals in Sino-Japanese War

dude was fighting relentlessly since 1937 and to 1945

not to mention the civil war that comes after

[tight blaze]

He actually seems like the goat

[full ermine]

Communists spared him, surprisingly

[tight blaze]

Would have been 10x better than chkang

Chiang

[full ermine]

since he was opposed to Chiang and people really liked him

Maoists didnt risk to finish him off

they needed local support anyways, so they kept him alive

he was a governor, did few reforms after the war and died of old age

they did the same thing with Puyi although nobody cared about his ass

Mao was actually kinda smart for an evil dude

he took example from what Bolsheviks of Russia did, and instead opted for the last emperor of China to just go to prison and be a gardener in some random village

[tight blaze]

That was actually smart

[tight blaze]

I heard that he came out a communist but idk if that's true

[full ermine]

he still believed one day people will ""come to their senses"" and restore him to throne

much like what Japanese "promised" him by "giving" him Manchukuo

[tight blaze]

That was just delusional lmao

[full ermine]

screw Puyi , guy was also evil

and a pdf file

[tight blaze]

Basically all monarchs are

Actually?

[full ermine]

i wouldnt say so, surprisingly

i am anti-imperialist but there were actually good monarchs that cared about their people

but of course there were lots of bad ones than good ones

[tight blaze]

The bad ones are just more notorious

[full ermine]

unfortunately

[tight blaze]

I don't think I even know any good monarchs

We never get taught about good monarchs

[full ermine]

where, if you dont mind me askint

[tight blaze]

Where I'm from?

Northern ireland

Catholic school so pretty anti monarchist

[full ermine]

Are you a Ulster unionist by any chance

or you wish to be united with the mainland 🇮🇪 ?

[tight blaze]

United of course

[tight blaze]

Don't even say ulster bro

Ulster is a province in Ireland that includes the occupied North and 3 other counties

[full ermine]

oh i didnt mean any ill by it

just curious on this topic

[tight blaze]

There's not much to it tbh

[full ermine]

you meant like Northern part of 🇮🇪

or the Northern Ireland in 🇬🇧