latest-updates

[vestal scaffold]

LS?

RT56 RP?

doesn't matter, US eco needs more building slots

too easily capped

vanilla balancing will always matter

whether or not you play a mod

[void compass]

Yea thats fair

Just calling u.s eco weak doesn't make sense to me, unless you forget converting exists or smth

[vestal scaffold]

even if civboosted, it is not particularly strong

civboosted France is far stronger

though that is partly because it gets election.3 event firing if Italy can't kill Ethiopia in time

in the end the real advantage for the US only plays out very late with their repeatable resource decisions

with that kind of building slots cap and only 5% output 5%-10% efficiency cap buff they don't get that far

the US should be more terrifying

[void compass]

Well the issue is that the u.s isnt alone, like you mentioned earlier theres the rest of the allies

[vestal scaffold]

the Allies itself gain advantage from tech rush coordination anyway

given their number

and less need to attrition

but it still needs more building slots

even if the player cannot cap all slots by 1943 as long as they always rush conc/disp industry ahead of time

so weak is still weak 👀

it needs to be absolutely terrifying

it needs cheap ahh Shermans

also, with nukes coming

they probably need more building slots and more states being broken down anyway

nuke production being determined by state count is funny

Devs have insisted on US state border accuracy and the number of states to some degree but it isn't universally true for other countries since the beginning

at the very least, US AI should have more impact in a vanilla SP game

[void compass]

Thats just an ai issue in general, especially with overseas nations

[vestal scaffold]

no lel, they have less troops than the UK on many occasions

less planes

💀

less ships within months of entering war

[void compass]

Ohh you mean with production, thats probably intentional so newer players dont get annoyed bynit

[vestal scaffold]

it can't even ramp up properly

that said, the peak US AI rn doesn't have many divs anyway

IC went to different stuffs

vanilla sp needs to do better tho

not just from the sole AI performance perspective but in their natural limit

[fervent prairie]

Paradox, this DLC has been out for years and this still hasn't been re-balanced???

That's a ridiculous price

This should take around 21 days not 70... 70 days and the current price fits better for multiple states at the same time

[brisk lily]

Spain is a perfect nation with no flaws whatsoever!

[dense gale]

Actually the devs intention were for them to historically emulate the guerilla

That historically were active till the 60s

This being that expensive is an intended game mechanic

[fervent prairie]

The historical one wasn't keen on fighting wars either. So they focused more inwards and wasn't in a rush.

This isn't that fun to deal with and feels a lot more like a hassle

[dense gale]

There is two camp to hoi4

One that things paradox has went too far too althist

And the other is paradox not doing stuff historically

The scw was a pain point for the second camp before la resistance due to dlc

So they made this to satisfy the second camp

This is pretty much a classic case of where u can’t satisfy both sides

[dense gale]

It was meant to be a hassle

The way they wanted u to play it is ride through the pain of the civil war

For a few year

For historical accuracy

[fervent prairie]

I wouldn't mind it if S-Pain already wasn't quite as debuffed as it already was post DLC

[dense gale]

Pre la resistance spain was way worse

Default focus tree

[fervent prairie]

They've done this to Spain but not Germany.

[dense gale]

With rng civil war

[dense gale]

Germany alt-hist path was made during waking the tiger

[fervent prairie]

At least you still got cores on the otherside back then

[dense gale]

Old spain was cery boring

[fervent prairie]

Realistically there would be resistance after a German civil war

[dense gale]

Obv

[fervent prairie]

Yeah, but at least it wasn't debuffed like now

[dense gale]

But the paradox dev didn’t thing of it

U see the italy path

Its kinda like spain

Althist wise

If u civil war

[dense gale]

I assume u watched the australian youtuber play spain

And complain about it

Trust me he dowsnt know how to play spain

Spain post la is very funny

With 1937 total mob

[fervent prairie]

Chaotic Florius? I found it irritating before I even watched his Carlist video

[dense gale]

Yea but i assume that where u got the idea again

I watxhed him play too

And he completely butchered the build no offense

[fervent prairie]

I know. But it was his first time playing it

Even I butchered it the first time

[dense gale]

Like if u struggle with the spain tree

U 100% will hate all the new trees

Since they are all cery similar stuff

With very weak early eco that only scales lategamr

[fervent prairie]

It's only the reintegration stuff that irritates me, the rest is fine

[dense gale]

The reintegration stuff

Was meant as a soft debuff

To keep u from going to war till 1940

Because if u keep ur garrison at civilians

And end the war in 38

By late 39 u will have enough compliance to get rid of everything

[fervent prairie]

That shit costs 2k guns and 300 weekly manpower for 70 days each...

for a country like Spain that is devastating.

[dense gale]

U only need 4 mils on guns

To have enough guns for every state

Manpower is nothing burger

It doesn’t even add up to a full division

Of manpower for each state

[fervent prairie]

Something else that is idiotic is that even if you invest into Madrid you don't get it as a fascist/non-aligned Spain. I had full support, yet I didn't get it... The other Spain doesn't even have anything to secure the loyalty, they just get it no warning.

[fervent prairie]

I know but you still have to wait 70 days to get the core despite the 2k gun cost. That kind of investment would get rid of Amateur Gorilla fighters in at most 21 days

[solid gyro]

Spain is fine

Yall just spoiled tbh

By the time you get around to having correct compliance you should already have more than enough guns and manpower to secure all of the states

The main issue is PP

Also

IRL the Maquis lasted until like the 60s

You're lucky it only takes 70 days tbh

[stable tusk]

Franco died 10 years after dealing with the Maquis

Lol

[frigid kernel]

Nice bait

[frigid kernel]

Spain is just kinda boring

You realistically can’t do anything beyond taking France as any path

Not like you can reform the empire considering US guarantees everything

Literally most fun part of Spain is civil war, and in multiplayer it is simply a liability if it’s involved in the war

[solid gyro]

Fr

[frigid kernel]

More territory to D-day

Hoi4 needs to add EU4 peace deals to the game

It makes no sense to fight to the death over a single state or two

And then the fact that if you get invaded, you need to completely capitulate the attacker to end the war

It’s like saying yeah, the war in Ukraine will not end until Zelensky marches down the streets of Vladivostok

It makes the game less fun imo and removes any sort of rp-ability

But since peace deals were changed in BBA I doubt they’d make partial ones

And also, no, conditional surrender is a useless feature because nobody realistically uses it and because AI never, and I mean never uses it

[lilac coyote]

No. Only those who prevail deserve land.

xd

[mental onyx]

yo did 1.14.7 already drop?

The game just updated when I opened the launcher

I need me some patch notes

[pseudo wing]

its just a hotfix

nothing too much to it

I put out the patch notes on the forum/steam for it but steam's automod might make it take a few moments 👍🏻

[hard raven]

hello. is there a channel for making suggestions/bug reports? i think the manpower calculation in the game is a bit messed up and wrote a forum post for it, but maybe it wont be seen

[pseudo wing]

That would be on the forums, the discord is more the hangout spot

[whole inlet]

whoops wrong channel

New update?

[solid gyro]

Middle East

[stable tusk]

Yeah they need to add limited wars or something

[hexed mango]

falangist spain is amazing tbh, it gives you very nice bonuses and the ability to invade south america

it's really cool

[frigid kernel]

no

[hexed mango]

ok

[solid gyro]

hoi4 should seriously add more ideologies

they should honestly break down non-aligned

they should also make the yugoslav war outcomes more realistic

Independent state of croatia focus tree???

[polar jasper]

I don't see why.

The only thing they really need is that more expansionist countries that are non aligned should get a spirit to lower world tension limits and maybe allow for extensive. Otherwise no need really.

[polar jasper]

Independent State of Croatia can rise up, it is just ever since the yugo tree changed in bftb, yugo fixes the problem in time.

[spice oyster]

Shouldn't it be more like Germany and Italy setting a puppet regime than random uprising? 🤔

It's bizarre that we have Albania and Montenegro protectorates in 99% of historical games but there is no Croatia

[polar jasper]

I thought the croatians revolted by themselves

[spice oyster]

idk, I thought it was a puppet state of Germany so I thought its overlord shoud have Croatia under its control

right now it never pops up because of AI

but Balkan is totally messed up in hoi4

we dont even get Tito

[polar jasper]

That is usually because the Soviets do not occupy yugoslavia which would put it up for grabs at the peace conference

There is no other factor to get the communists to liberate themselves in yugoslavia either

[hexed mango]

yugoslavia needs a full rework

without splitting it into 20 nations meme path

but actually having paths for croatia and for the chetniks and partisant resistence and serbian national salvation government

[woeful oasis]

Also Slovenia and Bosnia paths as well

[hexed mango]

No

They had very little relevance

Even in the balkans

Yugoslavia revaml with croatia and collaborationist serbia with the two resistance movement paths is everything yugo needs

[hollow idol]

Tommorow

[tacit sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-intensifies-gif-14242619

[spice oyster]

Could be done by giving Yugoslavia decision to choose from king or communists after they fall to Axis

There could be even fascist side in that event/decision which whould place the player in control of the Independent State of Croatia

Something like PDX did with Norway

[tall dragon]

hm

[tacit sequoia]

Feeling like this DLC gonna be bigger than No Step Back… getting excited for teasers but I doubt it’ll be releasing dev diary’s today

[hexed mango]

It won't lole

We're gonna get two dev diaries at the end of July / beginning of August if we're lucky and then it will be break until mid September

[tacit sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly drum]

There is a possibility that dev diary cycle is already written, and paradox will spoon feed us during summer vacation

[tacit sequoia]

True

[dense gale]

unless the dlc is released next year

its gonna be tiny

aat and bba were released in late sep and early oct

with nsb in nov

the first dev diary in relation to those dlcs came out in april and may

best case we get the first dlc dev diaries in early july

and if they target a christmas dlc launch

its gonna be tiny

[mental onyx]

Isn't it most logical that they'll release the dev diaries once they roll out the rest of the war effort patches? It's basically the roadmap that they've shown so I expect the dev diaries will come out from late July to mid August.

[dense gale]

that doesnt help paradox case at all

because if its indeed late july

amd they target for a christmas release

it pretty much confirm they dont have much features to talk about

[solid gyro]

Woah what’s up with the new picture for the server

[hexed mango]

Not really, honestly the patches are kind of underwhelming, qlso they can release dev diaries for the next dlc while doing patches

[modern moth]

summer sale

pretty sure fitgirl repacks has a 100% off though

[jovial furnace]

As someone looking to purchase a dlc from the summer sale, which should I choose? Which is the most valuable in terms of discount and content?

Or country packs aswell

[chilly drum]

Designers are top priority

MtG, NSB, BBA

[fresh cedar]

South America was nerfed a little too hard. I think the first nerf was sufficient. Now they might as well have no buffs to combat at all. As a side note, I feel like the EU should be able to core more countries/states now as Centroamerica is able to.

So Argentina went from like a 25% attack buff, down to 10%, now it’s like what 5%? I get it shouldn’t have the same buffs as Iceland bc the Manpower/economy disparity. But if Japan and Spain can get 10% attack buffs then so should other countries that had them

The recruitable pop nerf to the fascist generic tree sucks too. 😂

[jovial furnace]

I was thinking between the Man the guns and la resistance (or Battle for bosporus) which should I choose?

[obsidian zinc]

do you have any?

rn

if you dont

[jovial furnace]

no i dont

[obsidian zinc]

id reccomend to buy in this order: 1. no step back, 2. by blood alone 3. man the guns 4. la resistance 5. arms against tyranny

and the country flavor packs

[jovial furnace]

Alr then, I will think about it

[ornate rain]

dik egy magyar

[outer heron]

why la resistance 4th?

[obsidian zinc]

because in my opinion tank, plane and naval designers are more important

[outer heron]

naval and air I get, having it as base would make it little more than a case of bigger numbers (more than it already is)

but idk about tank

[muted fjord]

new server logo is 🔥

[solid gyro]

Fr

[tacit sequoia]

it matches summer feeling

[whole rapids]

you win wars through land conquest

you aren't gonna capitulate a country using only planes

therefore no step back is placed higher

[outer heron]

full disclosure, I mostly got no step back for poland

[lavish quail]

hi does anyone know what countries will the next dlc be abt?

[harsh lynx]

is this where you talk to people an get mp games started and what not or am i wrong an Buttertoast

i know people say they got potatoes for computers but my brain counts as potato when it comes to this stuff

[paper estuary]

Betting my chips on Austria, Belgium, and rework for Germany and (hopefully) for Czechoslovakia too

[stable tusk]

Considering the Castle in the teaser, it's a Central European themed DLC
And also Wunderwaffen
German rework most likely, Austria, and Belguim are must haves
And then maybe Czechoslovakian rework, Luxembourg focus tree (not a big one, one like Uruguay or Paraguay)

[polar jasper]

I believe it will be a research update, 100%

Everything else is a solid maybe

[solid gyro]

What y’all think

[rugged hamlet]

Terrible ai

[polar jasper]

Impressive, very nice

[solid gyro]

It was a Human player 😭

[polar jasper]

Dude continued using base template... just like the AI

[tall tree]

Well

2.1k hours on HOI4

and I still have no idea how to use navy except craft submarines, and spam them into ocean tiles

[oblique kindle]

not really NSB should be first

the trees are legit goeated

[mental onyx]

Light attack is king in the navy meta so just build a few good light cruisers and you're golden. Maybe build 8 at least

[tall tree]

Funny enough, that is now the ONLY information about naval combat that I know.

Thank you so much.

I'll try that out.

I used to just spam Naval Bombers

and send them to the english channel

[mental onyx]

If you want to kill some capital ships without killing all their screens first. Build 1 SHBB. They're expensive sure but they have the highest armor and heavy attack stats on a ship. It also helps that it is a 1936 tech so you can build them early on if you're not bound to naval treaties. Just put some good anti air in it and not make it too expensive.

[tall tree]

alright i got it

Time to start a new run as France.

[tall tree]

Holy balls, it takes YEARS to build one...

[mental onyx]

yeah but it is a 1936 tech so you might get it during 1939 to 1940

[tall tree]

Yeah

I pray that by 1939

The one I build isn't just sunk by british ships

[mental onyx]

Playing as France correct? Are you allowed to build SHBB early unless you want to break the treaties?

[tall tree]

Yeah, I can build it fine.

Britain doesn't mind.

I think it was Hungary or Yugoslavia that couldn't build ships?

Hungary isn't even connected to the sea, so that doesn't apply.

[mental onyx]

Bulgaria too I believe. I might play monarchist germany soon to screw with the royal navy. They have a focus that reduces capital ship production

[tall tree]

I love monarchist Germany. That is my go-to country for a fun time in HOI4.

Kaiser Wilheim II's portraits is just amazing.

[tacit sequoia]

Found where paradox used the Aksel Larsen pfp for HOI4 (left photo), honestly not bad but they could’ve went for the other one (right photo)

[tacit sequoia]

Or even this one

[tacit sequoia]

There’s better choices for pfp, posted that for kinda updating pfps + for the memes lol

[paper estuary]

Me wishing pdx would go back on Brazil's Getulio Vargas pfp

Now he's a cheery old chap instead of the imposing populist dictator he was

[hexed mango]

I don't like the new naming schemes of puppets

[paper estuary]

Chinese Denmark

[mental onyx]

Don't forget about Chinese China

[paper estuary]

Both the puppet system and the puppet naming could use a slight overhaul now that all autonomy expansions have been basically merged into the base game

[eager mortar]

@novaya_imperiator its too OP

[frozen raven]

helo

[hexed mango]

Real, it would be nice if you could pick your puppets focuses (at the expense of your pp)

With exceptions obviously

And only if puppet is integrated enough

[bold crow]

Cheap destroyers with guns 1 and torpedoes 1 combined with maxed out secondary battery heavy cruisers and a few capitals
Use trade interdiction and lone wolf so you're always taking unfair fights
Search for task forces with radar submarines on do not engage
Win command of the sea and then raid your enemy to hell

[winged steeple]

Crazy Idea: What if instead of a german rework its a axis rework (Japan, Germany Major Trees, Hungray, Romania, Minor Trees

[tacit sequoia]

Reverse waking of tiger?

Might work

[severe tulip]

way too much content for paradox to be announcing it so shortly after the last DLC

[winged steeple]

Only 4 Trees

[winged steeple]

Its a tiny bit bigger than the south american dlc

[solid gyro]

Increase Game Price More

You Guys Deserve More Increase Game Prices And Keep Kids Away Paradox Games

[severe tulip]

I'd say its a whole lot more, Because if you include germany you have to include romania,hungary and bulgaria too, and japan and its 2 puppets aswell, plus germany and japan by default require more content being major nations unlike the south american dlc that had only minor ones

[winged steeple]

Remove bulgraia 4 reworks

[mental onyx]

I'll be surprised and glad if they made a Japan rework along with the german one.

[tall tree]

I'll save that, and use that. Thank you so much for the advice.

[tawny falcon]

<@&846894118219022336>

[merry zenith]

thanks* it seems they posted it everywhere

[trim quartz]

I really want Austria

[tacit sequoia]

Czechoslovakia Hungary Germany need redo, Austria Belgium need trees with a tiny Luxembourg

I would like to see shocktroops added to the game also

[bold crow]

Np I love boats!

Speaking of which

Armed Merchant Cruisers when PDX?

Rule the Waves 3 has whet my appetite for q ships

[outer heron]

honestly, I dont think luxembourg should get one out of sheer hilarity

let it just remain that obscure country people do challenge runs for

[severe tulip]

i'd say romania needs one, it has one of the most underwhelming focus trees ingame

[mortal tinsel]

have we found out the country in the teaser yet?

[severe tulip]

germany most likely

[stable tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[tawny falcon]

Hacked account probably with some spam

[mental onyx]

If we don't get a dev diary this month, I just hope the next war effort patch releases this week

[tacit sequoia]

damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wljN0NEgVEQ

we were close to getting an actual cold war hoi4 game

that would've been cool for a game tbh

[small echo]

Cold war politics 💀

[tacit sequoia]

it would've been crazy\

[small echo]

That games discord server would Be doomed

💀

[tacit sequoia]

lol

WAIT

you could've had actual nuclear button

wtf

[small echo]

And nuclear subs

Etc

[chilly drum]

Hey, that might be a theme of new DLC.

Expanded nuclear options.

Would be great.

I mean, its definetly going to be about bombs, so....

Or maybe not.

Its ufortunately a very late tech.

Unless they expand gametime, I doubt we will see such level of mechanical depth.

[mental onyx]

Maybe they'll buff jet engines so they aren't crap anymore

[spice oyster]

nuclear bombs should be buffed so it capitulates a nation after 1-2 bombs are dropped

[mental onyx]

If that will be the case, nuke production will most likely change to make it harder to produce so you can't just MacArthur your way to victory.

[spice oyster]

yes

it needs to be significantly more costly

also I feel like huge armies should be somehow punished for just standing on the field when there is a peace, it would make late games more enjoyable

like maintaining an army with milions of men is realy costly for the economy

[wary spade]

adding consumer goods % per certain amount of men in the field perhaps

[spice oyster]

Maybe

[kindred beacon]

with the new update, Norway will not have a civil war on historical right?

If so it honestly makes sense, the previous setup would suggest that Quisling began a revolution and then German troops moved in, when in fact Quisling was not put in "power" until Norway was invaded and occupied - and even then was really just a figurehead for the Nazi military administration

[mental onyx]

I guess when they made the civil war at the release of AAT, they wanted to simulate the rather quick fall of norway but even after the change, Norway still falls maybe a bit slower. Definitely falls after France.

[muted fjord]

sure when AI its AI germany, when i play as germany i just naval invade all of their ports and camp them even faster than with the civil war

[hexed mango]

when new dev diary...

[kindred beacon]

While this national spirit certainly isn't inappropriate for the Balkans, it's obviously meant for Italy

I got it after doing the "demand Italian territories" focus as Communist Bulgaria, when I formed Balkan Fed I then got these decisions

I believe it was because Italy went democratic/commie, but the rebels lost to Mussolini who then was killed by Imperial Germany

because of that Italy doesn't have the nat spirit and I am stuck with it forever

[wary spade]

yeah it's glitched like that

I got it too, twice in my runs

also, influencing the Americas as fascist Russia (the focus) doesn't work for me either

[stable tusk]

I thought they fixed that last patch?

[hexed mango]

Where dev diary

[tacit sequoia]

It’s not getting here yet

Said by quarter 3-4

[wary spade]

I thought too but nope

[hexed mango]

News on the dev diary?

[stable tusk]

Not yet

[hexed mango]

Mad

[tacit sequoia]

Id recommend waiting till July or something because they might let out a tiny dev diary for it

[cerulean bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW6GSa14xXI

[hexed mango]

We r in July sir !!!

[chilly drum]

They just pull date out of their bum.

There was a post by PDX on forums that they reveal something SOON.

[hexed mango]

Even madder

[chilly drum]

That was on june 10 tho.

[hexed mango]

Need my diary fix

Honestly

It was just a traser, any patterns on how much time between the teaser and the first dev diary for the said dlc?

[hollow idol]

They trolled so hard with the reveal of art pack

2 post of 5 are same thing

And so like now we are left waiting for dev diary for months

[chilly drum]

I have a feeling that they start posting today and post each week.

I think they did something like that before for other games.

[hexed mango]

Can't take it anymore

https://tenor.com/view/withdrawal-at-its-worst-crazy-annoyed-gif-13589349

[chilly drum]

Cant remember when I was that blueballed in a while.

[calm bramble]

Me neither

It's been almost a month since the teaser went live

[hexed mango]

Hoi4 dev team doing some pdxdom type stuff on us

[paper estuary]

I thought we were all waiting for a Trinity anniversary reveal

And if nothing is revealed on Trinity day, then we can start freaking out

[solid gyro]

Average silksong reaction:

[wise oxide]

war effort soon?

[solid gyro]

Bro just play mods if your that angsty

[hexed mango]

Not the same

Honestly idrc about playing it thsy bad I just like the dev diaries

[chilly drum]

CK3 : YOOO DAWG HERE IS BYZANTIUM

Hoi:

Like seriosly, whats their marketing team is doing?

Im done with this game until will get some sort of news about dlc.

[chilly drum]

I woudlnt even complain if not for GIANT MYSTERIOUS TRAILER after they went completely silent for month.

[harsh hull]

It hasn't in fact been a month yet, and that was just a teaser, not a trailer

The thing that comes before the trailer to get people talking

[obsidian zinc]

does hoi4 run better on fedora or debian if anyone uses linux

[tacit sequoia]

Arch best, and before you say “it’s too hard,” look up the archinstall command stuff

[obsidian zinc]

Nah it works slow in games (at least in my hardware) had arch before and i installed arch manually without archinstall

Minecraft wont work in arch when i had arch because of a key issue

[tacit sequoia]

Hmmm

Mc worked fine for me

[hexed mango]

Dev diary today?

🥺

[mental onyx]

You can't fathom how short 3 or 4 months is so the dev diary will be out sooner than you know it. Time flies fast

[mental onyx]

but when next war effort patch though?🥺

[fresh cedar]

No, a season can be quite a long time. Especially for people who have less than ideal lives

[mental onyx]

Well that's the catch. If you have nothing much to do outside of hoi4, then it will feel a really long time.

[fresh cedar]

Bit condescending tbh. Paradox established a pattern which they’ve fallen off of. Cant be surprised when the consumers react in the way that they are.

And even with “a life” 4 months is still quite a long time. Long enough for strong competent militaries to lose a war. Or entire nations to fade away.

[mental onyx]

I mean there are other games out there to play. I'm in college so time really does fly fast. I don't know about the people who work full time jobs though

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/withdrawal-hoi4-crazy-guy-hearts-of-iron-4-hearts-of-iron-iv-gif-9037330197093317371

[fresh cedar]

Yes, but people have preferences. Just as some prefer specific drinks, cars. I play a couple dozen games so can’t really relate but could understand why people would be annoyed. Changes seldom go easy with consumers. 🤷‍♂️ Hindsight it’s quick, in the moment no.

[solid gyro]

Bro you need something more then Hoi 4 Dev Diaries

[hexed mango]

Yes, hoi4 dev corners

[fading walrus]

Thank god I play Europa Universalis IV, Rome 2 Minecraft and Ace-combat

As well as ARK

So I got multiple alternative options

[fading walrus]

You need more games to play

[fresh cedar]

Oh I got 200+ games and play a variety. Really not speaking for myself but the people who main HOI4.

[fading walrus]

I main EU4 and the Divide Et Impera mod for rome 2

[fresh cedar]

That’s a really OP mod tbh. I like Paradox/Total war games a lot so def play those the most. But often do indie stuff or more traditional triple A games

[bold latch]

I have a full time job

[lilac hatch]

become a gardener

[bold latch]

Garden these nuts

[lilac hatch]

ok

they are tasty anyway

but hard to break

[hexed mango]

Hoi4 hoi4 hoi4

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-jesse-pinkman-floating-breaking-bad-addiction-gif-17696909430495817797

[wise oxide]

guys does hoi 4 announce anything for 4th of july every year?

[mental onyx]

war effort patch maybe? Patch notes and bug fixes honestly makes me more excited than new content

[wise oxide]

ai improvement is the best thing we can hope for

[mental onyx]

YES

[wise oxide]

imagine we get nuke rework ☠️ 1945 for usa and 1950 for the rest while the game ends at 1945 normally

[mental onyx]

It will though. I just hope we get a japan rework in the coming dlc because it's the only country that literally got nuked

[polar jasper]

People think it is just a nuke rework when I believe it is a research overhaul.

Nukes probably will get a slight rework, but I'm not sure how

[dense umbra]

research overhaul

would be cool

[crimson violet]

Only changing such feature in the late game like nukes would not make as sense as research overhaul, i’d agree

[spice oyster]

maybe more like wonder weapons rework

I believe it was in some older roadmap

it would fit German DLC perfectly

[mental onyx]

Finally, viable super heavy tanks

They can be classified as a wonder weapon right?

[fading walrus]

Yes

The Maus for instance

A 1 gallon per 400 feet gas guzzler

At a time when Germany was short on fuel

[mental onyx]

Even as a support company, super heavy tanks are still bad because of their insane terrain debuffs as of now.

[fading walrus]

Thats Realistic

Japan had a superheavy tank prototype too

Behold the O-I

I read somewhere that Japan was going to send the prototype to fight the Soviets in Manchuria in 1945

[latent hill]

where dev diary, it sbeen so long

[fading walrus]

Probably early fall

[latent hill]

aw man

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/withdrawal-hoi4-crazy-guy-hearts-of-iron-4-hearts-of-iron-iv-gif-9037330197093317371

[solid gyro]

more like day 1 no dev diary

[slate delta]

Monarchist Portugal got broken by the latest DLC I’m pretty sure because the civil war that starts in Brazil immediately ends when one side annexes the other

Whatever the civil war is pretty easy to beat anyways, it’s just slightly annoying

It seems whichever side gets the BRA tag annexed the other party after 10 days

[wise oxide]

guys is it not ridicilous that the last war effort took 1.5 months just for the bd of hoi 4 i swear if they dont release the next one before the 10th of july im gonna be slightly disapointed

[mental onyx]

same

do they release updates on the weekends?

[wise oxide]

you shoul join some hoi 4 mod discords if you are starving for content btw (im still starving)

[mental onyx]

Still pretty new to hoi4 so I still got lots to do but I did play some RT56. In the future, I might play Kaiserreich or Kaiseredux.

[hollow coral]

I rlly hope to see something like a habsburg path to germany if it gets rework. Maybe seperate kaisereich and habsburg

But theres so much different things germany can do

And democratic germany will ally with every organism under the sun to defeat russia wish rlly ruins a historical games

Germany just needs to stop being main character for a his

[mental onyx]

The purpose of democratic germany flies out the window once the USSR doesn't exist or is not communist anymore.

[jolly bluff]

So I was thinking about the (very likely and pretty much confirmed at this point) atomic bomb rework.

I'd really like to see (this is just my personal pet peeve) a bit more immersion in how you employ the bombs.

For example a decision which you have to take, where you need to get authorisation to drop the bomb on an enemy country's major city from the leader of your country.

For gameplay reasons I think this should just always be accepted, but if we were to add even more of a gimmick to it it could also be made so that if your casualties aren't that high then you don't get authorisation to drop them.

But I don't know, I think it'd still make it a bit sad to remove completely carpet bombing Japan with nukes as the USA.

[floral scaffold]

omw to nuke paraguay because i cba to deal with the supply

[solid gyro]

i have no dev diary syndrome

im so bored that i cant even play the base game for more than 6 years

[fading walrus]

This is why I play multiple video gsmes

[floral scaffold]

question for the mp section

[jolly bluff]

Omw to carpet bomb Italy with nukes for several ruined peace conferences and Germany playthroughs.

[jolly bluff]

Tried mods?

[hallow pivot]

Until when is the wealth and War offer?

[solid gyro]

So do I but hoi4 is my main

[hexed mango]

Where dev diary

[mental onyx]

You have to wait a month or two to get it

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-dead-monkey-gif-14754959

Brutal

[solid gyro]

doubt it ive seen dev diaries for other paradox games

[mental onyx]

I guess they are different. Does pdx have common devs between games or not?

[quartz sentinel]

probably not

[zenith cargo]

No, they are separated into different studios

[stable tusk]

I think this is the first time I saw someone actually working on the game say something in this chat
Soooooo
Are you willing to risk your job to give us a leak? (I'm just joking btw)

[zenith cargo]

sure, its not a Malta focus tree

[stable tusk]

Good to know thanks👍

[rocky mauve]

Disaster

I shall ask for a refund of all my DLCs, cosmetic packs and the game after 1500 hours of gameplay to Steam

Can not believe PDX would do this

Its joever

[zenith cargo]

ff gg

[rocky mauve]

Just want a Japan rework :(

Germany still holds up but seems like that's been teased that it'll come

A suspicious Thalmann new portrait, the new eagle from the teaser

[chilly drum]

A suspicious nuke focuses nerf

[stoic mist]

Are you able to provide an ETA on the next (significant) piece of content, such as a Dev Diary or announcement post, related to the next DLC? The Dev Diaries are always fun reads, very much looking forward to the next one.

[zenith cargo]

No I like my job. But Katten kinda already answered your question
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/soviet-union-2d-art-pack-war-effort-update-1-14-6-checksum-5a08.1687027/post-29687173

[stoic mist]

Ah, thank you very much!

[floral scaffold]

real real

[woeful oasis]

Ireland DLC

[polar jasper]

New Japan rework.

2 focuses

Invade everyone
Get nuked

Just as good as the OG Swiss and Denmark trees

[solid gyro]

This question has probably been asked already, watching videos made from a year to 8 months ago and I see there was an ability to take a nation’s navy and civ factories during the peace conference, why was this removed?

Been playing for a month for reference

[sour blade]

I don’t think it was removed, you just need the dlcs

[solid gyro]

Yeah just realized I need to get blood alone

Seems so overpowered

[polar jasper]

By Blood Alone DLC is required to yoink civs and ships

Ah you already figured it out, oops

[solid gyro]

Thanks mate🙏🏻🙏🏻

[chilly drum]

So, its confirmed that we will start getting something only in few months.

And this something is probably going to be an expansion pass reveal.

Honestly, I dont mind it.

Since my currency is unstable as uranium, Its better to get a whole package now than to wait and buy by parts.

[fading walrus]

my only hope for the upcoming DLC is that the Kaiser path doesn't get the Tsar path treatment

my biggest gripe with the Tsar btw is that it takes too goddamn long

[fresh cedar]

Why was the USA nerfed into the dirt? Smaller fleet, less factories. Doesn’t even have its accurate starting population anymore nor is its industry remotely sufficient. Seems super easy to invade now too.

[polar jasper]

I don't think it was nerfed

US was always easy to take down once you got a landing or 2

[fresh cedar]

Feels extremely weak late game idk. Definitely used to be more of a challenge. Then again it having around 500 factories late game while others have over 1k is pretty bad

[polar jasper]

The problem is that the US lacks building slots

You can easily cap building slots as the US without ever building a civ

Soviets you can build all game

My US, where I don't build civs but mils and infrastructure, I am just building radar and infrastructure in other countries because I have nothing else to do

[bitter girder]

Wrong chat

[solar inlet]

paradox

pls give us post war content

plz

[fresh cedar]

Yeah they genuinely need to increase the limit by like 2x. If you look at the industrial capacity of the USA by the end of WW2, it was massive. Where in game it feels so minor

[fresh cedar]

Really isn’t considering the US has been altered in recent updates

[limber frigate]

x5

[bitter girder]

I accidentally posted a msg in here which is why I deleted it and said "wrong chat"

[fresh cedar]

My bad

[fresh cedar]

Realistically should be like 5-6x with major buffs to factory output/production cost. But for balance reasons should be 2-4x atleast

But then again, the US in general could just use a map rework. Funny how Ethiopia has like 30 states in such a small country but New England, Texas, California are single states. Should really be broken up and given more slots.

It’s just sad how Hollow Japan/USA and the pacific theater feel compared to Europe.

[fading walrus]

Considering its pretty much guaranteed its Germany who do you think the other countries will be

Im hoping it’s Hungary and Czechoslovakia

[fresh cedar]

Germany, Austria, Belgium as main focus trees. With Luxembourg having a minor focus like Iceland. If it’s to rework nukes, many countries will get content specific to them for it.

USA, Japan, USSR, France, UK

[fading walrus]

why Belgium and Austria

all austria would have would be the historical fascist path in which they stay neutral

invite Otto von Hapsburg

a Communist and Democratic path most people wouldn't play

Belgium would just be an upgraded version of the Dutch

[fresh cedar]

Austria especially since it would most likely have an HRE path, and Belgium because it would mostly likely have an EU path. Both which would work in tandem with Germany and the nuclear program as progress would be boosted through cooperation

[fading walrus]

my point is Belgium doesn't have much going for it other than uniting with the low countries or the EU

and austrias main attraction was already covered by Hungary in DoD

[fresh cedar]

Belgium easily could have a lot. Democratic/Fascist buffer. Forming EU. Colonial route similar to Portugal w/ restoration of monarchy. Occupied paths. Really would be similar to Portugal/denmark in complexity

[fading walrus]

but then again both Poland and Lithuania can form the PLC

[fresh cedar]

That’s my point, Austria will be the equivalent of Lithuania but for Germany

[fading walrus]

so why can't Austria and Hungary both form Austria Hungary

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[fading walrus]

but I would prefer the Czechs over Belgium though

Belgium should be covered in the French rework

not the German one

[fresh cedar]

Austria would realistically also probably have a hidden Hitler path

[fading walrus]

because Belgium and France were close in 1936

it just makes more sense

[fresh cedar]

I genuinely believe Belgium will be in it for EU/an extra gateway for central powers to get into Africa

[fading walrus]

I think Belgium will come but not with Germany

but with France

[fresh cedar]

Or even it becoming an occupied state of Germany/Allies

I can’t see there being a need for a French rework anytime soon tbh

[fading walrus]

yeah

[fresh cedar]

I think Belgium will exist solely to counter Germany as a communist state. Germany goes communist and fearing toppling, it will seek to unite Europe against it

[fading walrus]

but I think France has the worst reworked focus tree

its full of too much 70 day bloat

[fresh cedar]

Has gotten better since French Empire could invade lux

[fading walrus]

yeah

[fresh cedar]

But tbh France should get colonial cores similar to the new Spanish Empire

[fading walrus]

both the French and British as well as every colonial empire should have the colonial police occupation law

[fresh cedar]

Agreed or their own unique flavors

Belgium trees with EU, Monarchy colonialism, collaboration, and Communist Benelux could be very interesting though

[fading walrus]

agreed on Belgium

Japan should receive the next rework

after Germany

[fresh cedar]

I’m surprised Japan and USA weren’t the countries for the nuke rework tbh

[fading walrus]

I'm not

Germany had the heavy water program

and once they showed the castle with gothic armor

I knew who it was

[fresh cedar]

Yet nukes were central to the pacific theater

I mean that they chose Germany for it and not the pacific

[fading walrus]

they were originally were going to drop them on Germany

but Germany was out of the war by the time the first test was made

[fresh cedar]

If this is to be the wonder weapon DLC, I hope they rework jets and other super weapons too then

[prime dock]

I want really powerful chemical weapons and Nazi space lasers

[prime dock]

Also Super Black Plague made by Unit 731

[fading walrus]

Your probably gonna have to wait till hoi5

Which is going to be in the 2030’s at the earliest

[prime dock]

You could make the chemical weapons a province modifier, and the space laser a nuke like province targeting weapon

[fading walrus]

I think that’s against Paradoxs TOS

No wait

It isnt

WW1 mod

Good idea nonetheless

[prime dock]

I don’t see how chemical weapons that break down enemy unit strength is anti TOD

[fading walrus]

Make it so that all the nations hate you when you use it

For violating the rules of war

[wise oxide]

war effort in 16 hours?

[fading walrus]

Is it really in 16 hours

Or is it a rumor

[prime dock]

Oooh, new decision tree for prosecuting war crimes

[wise oxide]

most likely if not delayed

[fading walrus]

Please be Germany

[prime dock]

It would make all democracies hate you, also have your politicians and commanders get culled post war

[fading walrus]

Im dying

For a Germany rework

[prime dock]

Japan needs a rework more

[fading walrus]

So I can play as the Kaiser

Yes Japan does too

[prime dock]

The Kaiserreich is already in game

[fading walrus]

Im well aware

[prime dock]

Waking the Tiger added an anti Nazi path

[fading walrus]

I just want it to be enhanced

[wise oxide]

pow 1 day no hoi: 🥴😓🤬😭

[fading walrus]

Because Germany as a whole is outdated

It became outdated when NSB was released

Im honestly gonna miss the old German tree the same way I miss the old Italian and Soviet one

I wont miss it

[thorny yacht]

honestly germany does more

the japanese tree has more to do

it has more flavour

the german tree is nazi, and 2 small anti nazi paths

monarchist is nice

but not great

[polar jasper]

German tree I would say is pretty decent

I still consider the box standard

Even if it is lacking in flavor

Really good industry tree

Strong historical branch, alright alt hist

[solid gyro]

...

maybe like the senor hilter stuff

he goes to austria first

guranteed

and then argentina

followed by greece, usa

etc.

[mental onyx]

so war effort patch today or will it be fashionably late?

[fresh cedar]

Or rather Germany goes communist and he flees to Austria to retake Germany from the communists

[wise oxide]

guys its 15minutes or 75minutes🙏🏻 if no im gonna be upset

the update better have i good feature atleast🥴

[muted fjord]

They should configure the American AI in the next update so that it actually parks a part of their fleet in Pearl Harbor so you can bomb it as the 'Tora! Tora! tora!' buff gives you port strike bonuses, but you can't use the buff since no allied armade docks in the Pacific or anywhere.

[mental onyx]

guys I now have low hopes that the update will release today

[chilly drum]

Lets check steamdb

...

Nope, not getting anything this week it seems.

Its interntal depot for update testing was patched week ago.

[wise oxide]

so no update in 43 minutes?🥺

[wary spade]

most likely no

its jover

hoi4 has truly fallen

[wise oxide]

no way they delayed it 13days last time and now this bs

[chilly drum]

There is no scheduled time for updates.

[wise oxide]

imagine they delay it to go together with the teaser of the next dlc

[mental onyx]

ah hell nah they aren't that cruel

maybe next week

[wise oxide]

monthly they promised

[mental onyx]

yep they said it in the roadmap

[chilly drum]

Can we get an exact quote?

[wise oxide]

monthly war effort patches something like that

free updates they called them

first i tought these would improve the outdated focustrees a little and stuff but they barely add anything fun

[mental onyx]

To be honest, I just hope it doesn't take that long compared to the last patch. 1.5 months lol

[wise oxide]

if its 15 days late again it means we got 3 for the time we should have gor 4

[wise oxide]

hoifalen 😓

[spice oyster]

It's not meant to be monthly exactly on the day, they release stuff when they think it's ready

[wise oxide]

15 days late still

[zenith cargo]

It is also summer

[wary spade]

it do be summer

[spice oyster]

Summer is perfect time to go touch some grass or something like that 🙂

[zenith cargo]

or stay inside and play Shadow of the Erdtree

[wise oxide]

never!

jk true

[pseudo wing]

or in my case, coming up with terrible costume Ideas for the cover art portraits of HOI

[wise oxide]

when wareffort tho

[zenith cargo]

should get mcarthur a flower crown

[mental onyx]

I can't see grass outside. All stone and concrete. What do I do?😩

[pseudo wing]

you'll know when I do

right now its summer break

[zenith cargo]

lobby your city for green spaces, you are happy when bees are happy

[pseudo wing]

or if it is taking too long, break out the green chalk and make your own

https://tenor.com/view/hands4yes-democracyonthestreets-writeyes-createyes-chalk-gif-5194270639404566236

[zenith cargo]

thats some end game dystopian nightmare fuel

[pseudo wing]

at least its not Idiocracy where we give plants what they crave

[chilly drum]

TRAITOR, you should advocate to play paradox games.

[pseudo wing]

⭐ ELECTROLYTES⭐

[chilly drum]

Bring the torches!

Vic 3 is good tho, Im glad I have some other paradox game to play while I wait for the patch.

hides stellaris and ck3 behind pillows

[solid gyro]

So guys what do you think which countries will get a focus tree? we know germany will get a rework thats for sure now but i mean like in every dlc so far we got like three to four new focus trees for countries (Like the south american dlc for example) so it would be really interesting to see an austrian or even an luxemburg or belgian focus tree

[harsh hull]

All I want is for them to finally add Slovakia as a relesable tag at game start, instead of having to rely on Germany to create the cores

[solid gyro]

Yeah that would be really interesting but i think that prob wont happen as irl it also happend through the germans

[fading walrus]

Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovokia

[solid gyro]

Most likely but we will see which country is in it

[fresh cedar]

Why on earth would Hungary get and update before Austria

[fading walrus]

because Hungary wanted to restore the Austro Hungarian Empire

they were more likely to do it than Austria

so much so that the Little Entente hand an agreement

that if Hungary put a Hapsburg on the throne that the would go to war

with Hungary

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather an HRE tree through Austria than an Austro Hungarian tree tbh. Would rather them not just keep reworking countries that have already been updated

[fading walrus]

I think there is going to a HRE path

[fresh cedar]

Germany sure, Czech probably, but Hungary AGAIN?

[fading walrus]

but it will be like the 4th reich for Argentina or the Pope path

the HRE path will for Germany that is

[fresh cedar]

I could see them adding flavor to Hungary in a free patch but doubt it’ll be an actual new tree

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[fresh cedar]

Considering the last major DLC came out over 4 months ago, having nothing but a teaser and an extremely minor country reskin is a little concerning.

[mental onyx]

Hoping the dlc releases in October or November and not December. If game breaking bugs are encountered after a december release, we have to wait for next year for bug fixes. Saw that scenario happened to another game.

[fading walrus]

I would prefer it to be delayed till December

So they can have more time

More time = hopefully less bugs

Less time = more bugs

There is going to be bugs

I just want less

Or as few as possible

[muted fjord]

They had small royalist movements in both countries but neither really wanted to restore austria-hungary so neither of both were 'more likely' to restore it

[wise oxide]

real ones want to play beta and alpha

[hexed mango]

so it was a lie

no 2 dlcs per year

so over

[fading walrus]

EU4 has 2 DLC's per year (usually)

also remember how well ToA was recivied

[hexed mango]

toa was unironically a good dlc

apart from the huge price for what it offered

[fading walrus]

and I'm not sure if it still true but Hoi4 had the smallest dev team in Paradox

this was back in the NSB era BTW

like EU4 CK3 and Stellaris all had bigger teams

[tacit sequoia]

Ehhh I’d prefer union y Libertad for South American rework

[sonic veldt]

1940-1945?

[fading walrus]

no 2021 - 2022

back on my very first discord account (I deleted it because I had life stuff come up) it was the best time to be on the server TBH

[tacit sequoia]

I feel like the new dlc gonna be similar sized to NSB, despite it being Central European (possibly south European) due to how popular it’s gonna be lol

[fading walrus]

I want Hungary and Czechoslovkia

with Germany

maybe Austria

too

[tacit sequoia]

Germany Austria Belgium Luxembourg Czechoslovakia and Hungary (Possibly Romania and Yugoslavia but that’s a stretch)

[fading walrus]

I think the third and fourth are also a stretch

Belgium should be with the France rework

not with Germany

[tacit sequoia]

Id disagree since the 6 of them together are part of the certain Central European idea…

[fading walrus]

Belgium was allied to France in 1936

and was guarenteed by them

until 1938 I think

[tacit sequoia]

Plus Belgium and Luxembourg needs something since it did fight in both WW1 and WW2, both being ran over by the Germans during the blitzkrieg, and Belgians having to fight in Africa too…

[fading walrus]

the Congo Free State 💀

oh god no

[sonic veldt]

"hands off!" Achievement incoming

[fading walrus]

that was the most screwed up colonial reigme ever

[tacit sequoia]

It’s probably the 6 nations if there’s going to be a rework and new trees.. I would think Britain and France would get the rework together due to them being the colonies powers during WW2, or it might be separate for all we know

[fading walrus]

I have a gut feeling that the USA would be reworked with a overhauled lend lease mechanic

[tacit sequoia]

Possibly the Pacific War too

[fading walrus]

nah thats gonna be Japan

[tacit sequoia]

USA Japanese rework, possible Canada and Philippines

[fading walrus]

UK will be reworked with the Dominions

[tacit sequoia]

USA and Japan are most likely to be reworked together due to the Pacific War, maybe Indochina, Philippines, Dutch East Indies also

Tbf with the current dlc thought, I hope HOI4 makes it a bigger focus tree set than RT56 lol

[fringe rose]

this is like

painfully wrong

[fading walrus]

I just found that out today

[tacit sequoia]

So many levels

It’s wrong

[fading walrus]

I admit I made a L

Not gonna be Flavius

[fringe rose]

hungary probably wouldve restored a habsburg to the throne had the entente not forbidden it (likely joseph august as he was always closer to the hungarian realm than the austrian one as archduke)

[fading walrus]

But While on the subject I think Austria and Hungary when they form Austria Hungary need less rng

the polish monarchy paths come to mind

[fringe rose]

and the fact he was legal palatine

[fading walrus]

You rally monarchist support in Lithuania Romania, or Czechoslovakia and boom they join you

As poland that is

[tacit sequoia]

Austria wanted to reform the Austro-Hungarian Empire while Hungary wanted to reform Greater Hungary

[fading walrus]

Greater Hungary should be a formable

[tacit sequoia]

There’s a thought

Slovakian Tree?

[fading walrus]

Similar quality tree to iceland, Paraguay and Bolivia

[tacit sequoia]

You mean Uruguay

[fading walrus]

Yes

I always get those two confused

As Bolivia and Paraguay fought each other in the chaco war

Shortly before the events of hoi4

Also Anyone wanna here my over ambitious mod idea that will never get made

1919 start date overhaul mod

[tacit sequoia]

There was already that

Honestly if HOI4 gets finished with 1936 + 1939, they should either change game idea and make it like Victoria 3 dates (it’s 1830s-1930s, why not make hoi4 from 1910s-2010s)

[fringe rose]

not really

hungary wanted to reassert its pre trianon territorial boundary whilst

austria (at least by 1936) had already publically stated its intentions were to retain her independence in the boundary enforced upon it by saint germain

the austrofascist's only real concrete goal was retaining austrias independence and opposing nazi germany

[tacit sequoia]

nice

[solid gyro]

Yes it’s because Trianon was very harsh

Even today Hungarians are still in the majority in parts of Slovenia, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia and Ukraine

[fringe rose]

true but it came after a

massive hungarian uprising and

hungarian refusal to cooperate with any peace treaty so

[solid gyro]

Those and Austria

[fringe rose]

harshness was rather warranted

[solid gyro]

Maybe Belgium and Lux too

[dense gale]

Lmao no lol hungary loss all their land because of the usa policy of self determination

[fringe rose]

no they didnt

europe didnt give two shits about self determination and

hungary wouldnt have been punished as harshly if the policy was followed correctly

it was like 25% self determination 75% establishing borders on the basis of weakening hungary and creating new defensible frontiers

dude

why do u think the usa didnt participate in the league of nations

[dense gale]

Because congress

[fringe rose]

despite the 14 points from wilson advocating for its existance

[dense gale]

Didnt want to join lol

[fringe rose]

thats

way too simple lol

[dense gale]

The league of nation was wilson brainchild

[fringe rose]

: ( the usa wasnt even involved in

central europe

or all of europe to be precise

the usa didnt even ratify versailles

because they hated the treaty

[solid gyro]

As a Hungarian ik that it was to weakan Hungary

Look at modern Hungary

[fringe rose]

true

[solid gyro]

0 mountains

[dense gale]

U guys were screwed before that

Literally landlock

[solid gyro]

Fiume (Rijeka)

[dense gale]

The 1 port

That get take immediately

The fact is hungary was indefensible

[fringe rose]

❓

[dense gale]

U jave enemies everywhere

[fringe rose]

the GREATEST defensive mountain border in all of europe

only second to the alps

:

and the massively wide danube

"Wow! Hungary has zero natural defenses!"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969766624968208394/1048074324583665664/joebiden.gif

[dense gale]

U have enemies from austria enemies from the romania

And the newly formed yugoslavi

U have no allies

When ww1 ended

[fringe rose]

(Literally every other state that didn't like the post war settlement of WW1

(and austria

(austria was actively a hungarian ally along with italy

(what are u even talking about

[dense gale]

Austria was also cut down to size

[fringe rose]

ok but big daddy italy is

there to save both hungary and austria so

[dense gale]

They lost the sudetenland

Like all land hungary loss

Was where hungary had a minority population

[fringe rose]

not neccesarily

[dense gale]

Even if votes were held

Most of the states would have voted to leave

Thats a fact

[fringe rose]

is it or is it entente propaganda

[dense gale]

Bro us and uk history book

All recognise

[fringe rose]

(this is literally confirmed by the fact that hungary and austria both had minority rights enshrined constitutionally..like right below that sentence.

[dense gale]

The self determination

[fringe rose]

self determination was just a convenient excuse to implement a carthaginian peace

anyone with like moderate historical knowledge can realize this

[dense gale]

Ao everyone in the uk amd us are learning the wrong shot

[fringe rose]

the refusal to host plebisicites during trianon whilst doing so for versailles only reinstates this

[dense gale]

U guys are just revisisionist

[fringe rose]

"revisionist"

this is literally established fact even from

1930s contemporary historians

lol?

[fringe rose]

no but obviously high school isnt

going to go in this depth lol

seeing as ur obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed id assume u arent in college

[fringe rose]

nursing school ❓

if u want an example of revisionism u can look at japanese schools

lool

[dense gale]

Alright

How bout u cite an article

[fringe rose]

im pretty sure this is..common knowledge

[dense gale]

That say its to cut hungary down

[fringe rose]

actually lets use the VERY same article u cited

[fringe rose]

what is this

[dense gale]

Its wikipedia

Iy aint no article lol

Conventional history is self determination

Its hard right

Because only nationalists think this way

[fringe rose]

yeah

why dont u read the full article it

[dense gale]

U have to remember by that time hungary was already occupied by the allied powers

[fringe rose]

kind of makes clear that the only reason for punishing hungary so harshly was dumb revanchism against the imperial government of budapest

which nolonger exists

[fringe rose]

true

hungary in its entirety

[fringe rose]

Is it?

Dude

[dense gale]

Yes

[fringe rose]

ESPECIALLY ww1 was not based on self determination

here

lets give u something from

the very same wkipedia article u sent me

from a contemporary politician

[dense gale]

That aint no historian

Thats a primary source

[fringe rose]

which

is better than a historian...?

[dense gale]

The quote

No

Wtf

[fringe rose]

contemporary judgement is often better

lol

true

[dense gale]

Do u wven study history

[fringe rose]

he literally wrote a novel on the aftermath of ww1

[dense gale]

Sources can not be objectives

[fringe rose]

he experienced it firsthand

????

[fringe rose]

its obviously objective since

he was pro entente and

even he can make such judgement on the treatment of hungary postwar

anywasy

[dense gale]

Italy also got scrwed over by the entente lol

[fringe rose]

true

[dense gale]

He was not

[fringe rose]

was he not ❓

[dense gale]

He resigned after versailles my guy

Wait he succesded

[fringe rose]

he was

[dense gale]

He was also part of the far left

[fringe rose]

openly pro democratic and warded off fascism

[fringe rose]

no he wasnt

the opening statement on the italian radical party was that by the time of the socialist party's founding the radical party had shifted to a centre left stance

if he was so far left he

wouldnt openly oppose dictatorship or preach democratic ideals as he did

he was actually one of the key factors in the parties shift to the centre left iirc

[dense gale]

Well

Still quote a modern historian

Saying it was not self determination

The treaties of ww1

[fringe rose]

anyways this is sourced from yale and explicity gives an example of wilson placing his self determination ideals aside for the whims of other victorious powers

[dense gale]

We’re determined by war guilt reperation self determination

Disarmament

The simple fact is even if elections were held

For the lands

Hungary would have lost most of them

Or all

[fringe rose]

bereznay is a hungarian historian whos well noted for

opposing the treaty of trianon as a mockery of self determination

and he was raised in london before u scream "BIAAAASED!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hungary and Her Successors is actually a pretty good book on the topic but

it doesnt neccesarily take sides on the matter

[dense gale]

One guy who was born in hungary😭

In just saying this is grasping at straws

Like how bout simpler a textbook that says otherwise

[fringe rose]

no it isnt lol i

shouldnt have to justify basic historical fact to you

[dense gale]

Ur guy literally said

It was conventional wisdom

That it was self determination

Do u even read what u quote

Or do u just google for evidence that prooves ur point

[fringe rose]

are u like

[dense gale]

https://english.atlatszo.hu/2020/06/09/andras-bereznay-treaty-of-trianon-was-a-mockery-of-the-principle-and-right-of-self-determination/#

Ur guy

[wise oxide]

2 day no hoi

[solid gyro]

All those cities in Romania are now Romanian

In fact only north Komaróm and Szabadka are still majority Hungarian today

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/withdrawal-hoi4-crazy-guy-hearts-of-iron-4-hearts-of-iron-iv-gif-9037330197093317371

[fading walrus]

More like day 5 of you posting this gif

Cause I have been waiting a long time for Germany to be reworked

Now the real question who is going to be included with Germany

[fading walrus]

@hexed mango i have been waiting for a germany overhaul since NSB

Which is when Germany’s focus tree became outdated

So about 3 years

[wise oxide]

belgium austria luxembourg and the glorious albania or maybe even microstates

[wise oxide]

imagine we get war effort today🥺

[solid gyro]

No dev diary?

[fading walrus]

I think there should be 2 (with a secret 3rd) German monarchy paths

DNVP absoulute monarchy path

and a semi constitutnal monarchy path

3rd option is a secret HRE path

[calm bramble]

I had a mini heart attack

[muted fjord]

same

[calm bramble]

I don't know why I had this feeling that the new dlc would be announced