latest-updates

[solid gyro]

Puppet paths kinda tend to suck, this would more be heavy concessions

However

Polands puppet path is actually ok, the cores you can get are outstanding

Ontop of that you can always break free

So maybe you’re not wrong, they just TEND to suck but if you make ‘em right they can be solid af

[solid gyro]

Yeah if you play even remotely ok as puppet Poland you get plenty of war score for independence

[still forum]

Well yeah but it's needless as germany would take less if you wont become their puppet

[solid gyro]

Not even that

And getting Black Sea caucas cores is wonderful

Like you can wait ad Poland until Germany is basically at Moscow

[solid gyro]

Oh like the focus for independence?

Yeye

You can screw over Germany mid-war and peace out I beleive

That’s good too, but you don’t get caucas cores and Ukraine cores if you do that

[still forum]

I believe war with germany and not ussr should be not avoidable

[solid gyro]

Same with Sweden

[solid gyro]

It isn't avoidable if Germany is Fascist

[still forum]

Nah they wouldnt care if you gave them gdansk

[long ruin]

baltics get more industry than the USSR AI

[solid gyro]

You're not only giving Gdanks, your becoming a puppet

[solid gyro]

If Germany is fascist Barbarossa always happens unless the illusive Berlin Moscow axis or the fascist Russian axis happens but I’ve never seen those occur organically

Berlin Moscow SUCKS

[solid gyro]

Tbh USSR can build its industry without the focuses

[long ruin]

I played a berlin moscow game as France once with Germany USSR max BUFFS

that was fun

[still forum]

For puppet path yes for other no you just gave up gdansk and they leave you free

[solid gyro]

I have seen Fascist Russia, very rare

[solid gyro]

Oh forgot about that, that's mor of a Dev oversight tbh

[solid gyro]

They almost always go Tsardom in my experience, however the whites are almost always Japanese puppets unless they speedrun the war

Ai whites, I mean

They'll probably at more focuses like Yugo and Greece

[solid gyro]

Yugoslavia has such good potential imo

[solid gyro]

Yeah that sucks

More than Polands Yugo needs an exile tree

It’s focus tree disparity is just kinda crazy, there’s no reason to do the evolution focus trees instead of self-Balkanizing

[solid gyro]

Larp

[solid gyro]

More or less yeah

The practical reasons are non existent

[still forum]

Whites are just bad

[solid gyro]

Also unless you do demagogue it's the only way to go Fascist

[long ruin]

Yugo give up all your land to Italy and Germany path

[solid gyro]

Although clean borders alone make it worthwhile at times

[solid gyro]

Path wise?

They are OK

[still forum]

And no democracy hurts even more

[solid gyro]

But not mind-blowing

[long ruin]

Slovenia to Germany vovdjina to Hungary, Croatia to Italy

[solid gyro]

NSB was on crunch towards the end

Idk Whites don't have room for a big focus

A lot was cut, like democratic Russia

[long ruin]

The white path is constitutional monarchy right?

[solid gyro]

Since like the civilwar optimistically doesn't end till '38

[solid gyro]

Civil war lasts 10 years

Basically lol

The worst part abt the whites is that

[still forum]

They are just long dont give anything meaningful and weak while lack basic stuff such as generals or high command

[long ruin]

yeah right/left oppo get to keep the level 4 field marshalls

[solid gyro]

Yeah, third Rome is cool and pan Slav Union is cool but it’s just worse than Soviets often

[long ruin]

while stalin kills em

[still forum]

No democratic path sucks

[solid gyro]

Sucks it was cut, they had ideas too. There’s a cut portrait in the files, for a constitutional monarch

So they made some ground obviously

[long ruin]

Really I do hope people who already own the DLC get a coupon for the next rework

[solid gyro]

But deadlines are a cruel thing I spose

[long ruin]

like if we had WTT 25% coupon for next Japan DLC

[solid gyro]

I concur

That would be fair

Or SOMETHING at least

[solid gyro]

Prolly not lol

But tbh I pre-order every dlc

I anticipate the Reddit is not pleased about this for the next week

[solid gyro]

Same

It’s my biggest weakness

I see HoI4 dlc, I purchase

Like screw the Steam reviews

AAT was solid

ToA was an OK dlc

AAT was great overall, actually

[still forum]

Even something basic would be good

[solid gyro]

It was amazing

Norway is pretty bad, even Arheo admitted that

[still forum]

Like they did at least for denmark commie

Exist with 1 focus but does

[solid gyro]

Finland, Denmark, and Sweden are all enjoyable

[solid gyro]

Tbh what's Norway gonna even do lol

Finland was the most fun I had in hoi4 for a while

[solid gyro]

True

I feel like people don't understand

Quisling could’ve been fun af if dine right

[still forum]

Or a minor one like italian democratic path

[solid gyro]

You don’t get cores or anything

That some countries just can't do much as a tree

And his trait gets WORSE as he goes on

[still forum]

Vikings

[solid gyro]

It gets fixed later on I think

It should start the worst and get better to reflect the government gradually becoming accepted

[still forum]

When

[solid gyro]

They have that, it's just that Norway doesn't have population r industry to win on its own

[solid gyro]

No, it goes from -10 stab, to minus 15- stab, to -20 stab

[solid gyro]

Sometime on a paradox forum I remember

[solid gyro]

Thought it improved in one focus towards the end?

I'd have to check

He said they wanted to give it some attention in the future

[solid gyro]

Lemme see

[long ruin]

honestly if I just get katyusha ill be happy

[still forum]

Well it dont even give cores

[long ruin]

But something should be done if the dlc are now completely free

I understand price discounts/discrimination

[solid gyro]

Neither does Denmark if you go Fascist lol

[solid gyro]

Nah it gets worse

Just checked

In pretty sure the intent was that you'd form Kalmar

And get Cores

Also has anyone manged to Annex Portugal as Brazil through the first focus*

?*

[still forum]

I actually afterall enjoyed norway most out of all nordics they reworked despite getting least work like least amount of generals or some bugged decisions for alt democratic that costs so much it's impossibile to complete

Cuz their commie path war crazy op

[solid gyro]

They're unit models are bugged

Which sucks

[still forum]

How when

[solid gyro]

If you go into designer

And look at the models

Only one appears

[still forum]

I think you can only puppet them

[solid gyro]

In reality Norway has atleast 3 unique mldels

[still forum]

Lol

[solid gyro]

The first focus where you propose union implies they have a chance to be annexed

[still forum]

Maybe for militia?

[solid gyro]

Nope for regular infantry

Militia has two models

[still forum]

Cored?

Why chance

[solid gyro]

It's the same for Brazil

[still forum]

What is paradox doing

Omg

I hate rng

[solid gyro]

Brazil has 5 unique infantry models that you cannot see through the designer

But you can get them through the focus

[still forum]

Does brazil have tech names?

Which are also bugged?

[solid gyro]

And I can tell this isn't intended because if you do the Guardia Nacional focus it will spawn infantry divisions with a different model

[solid gyro]

Idk

But I love Katten because he basically let me show him them in DMs and said he'd shoot it on to the dev team<3

Based customer support right there

[still forum]

Which thread?

[long ruin]

btw can brazil not core portugal

[solid gyro]

Brazil is super bugged

Democratic Brazil can't core South America

Which it's implied that It coukd

I also can't invite other nations to its faction

Unlike non-aligned Brazil

Also heard Commies couldn't get decisions

[still forum]

I hate how i made a thread on paradox forums about commie path being bugged and even mentoined that democratic is too

And they fixed commie but not democratic

[solid gyro]

I mentioned that to Kattej

It'll prolly be fixed

[still forum]

Can you just report him bugs on pv?

[solid gyro]

I have

He had me send them to him

He was in this chat so I caught him while I could tbh

[harsh hull]

Country select screen for base game as of next week

[solid gyro]

Not bad

[still forum]

You could tell him about italian balance of power decreasing after retaking lost cores, or about estonian cores being broken for finno ugrian path or about soviet decision to core sakhalin etc dont work or about polish puppet condition for nationalist commonwealth are bugged

[solid gyro]

I'd have to catch him here again then

But tbh I'm more concerned with the new dlc

[still forum]

Those bugs are there for a lot longer and deserves to be fixed

[solid gyro]

Also, if you yourself push the Italian BoP to the end yourself civilwar doesn't trigger

[still forum]

But it stale decrease

You cant do anything about it dropping

Even after you retake city

[solid gyro]

Yeye, but civilwar is the main debuff to decreasing

If you can avoid the civilwar doesn't matter too much imo

[still forum]

It just sucks and dont make sense to endlessly lose balance of power cuz you lost village that you reconquered

[solid gyro]

Yeye

Tbh I'm pretty sure devs will do something one day

Cause I'm pretty sure they've atleast seen the Itakian thing

They did say war-effort was coming back

Ngl

Biggest question nownis

Are they going to announce the new dlc on the anniversary

Or have a new models pack

[still forum]

I have a lot worse feeling

Dont see how they fix something that's confirmed to be bugged for years

[solid gyro]

May've been intended tbh

[wild nymph]

It was good of paradox to make those DLC free but of course it’s the only 3 dlc I’ve paid for

[polar jasper]

Oooof

[wild nymph]

Yeah I guess I at least had good taste? I’ll keep telling myself that…

[spice bough]

thanks for making me waste money

parahoax

[karmic granite]

LETS GOOOOOOOO 3 FREE DLCs, i have only played 32 hours and it was already starting to get boring, just constantly waiting for manpower and factories

[abstract blade]

am i reading this new announcement correctly?

[full cairn]

hm

[little vault]

how do you claim them if u have the expansion subscription

[visual willow]

probs not, but they will be free forever after the 21st anyways

[tacit sequoia]

its already proven germany is getting a rework

check earlier messages from yesterday lol

.

germany is outdated by 6 years, ofc it needs a rework

japan will probably be the next dlc after germany to be redone

[pure schooner]

Literally the same for me

[leaden jolt]

yeah i got those with the cadet pack or started pack, whatever its called

[foggy flower]

Thing is, it’s the three DLCs with actual features you need to have fun

Its a lot of features that should’ve been in the base game but were sold instead

Although it’s still really a lot of money to just lend out for free

Which is why I think some kind of retribution for these players should be there

Not a refund but something that can make us feel special

[lunar folio]

Katten personally stabs you in the chest

[foggy flower]

That would be worth the 60

But something like: you get a song each dlc and maybe a content pack you don’t have yet

Something like that would be appropriate

[long chasm]

maybe make all dlc's free so that features aren't locked behind a paywall?

i think that makes sense

[lunar folio]

"Maybe stop profiting from your biggest source of income"

[hollow lion]

🙄

[solid gyro]

What dlcs are free

[hollow lion]

Starter edition ones

[crimson violet]

Good things are done while going into debt!!!

[vestal scaffold]

tf

this hurts

[long ruin]

They were selling it for like 5 dollars more or 2 dollars more on sale (the starter pack) the advantage now is they dont have to have any more if statements for these 3 DLC for other DLC

The amount of money they were making off these 3 was pretty minimal at this point and its probably worth the manpower cost

[foggy flower]

Yeah but yk people paid and should get some kind of gift for it back

Something call

Even if it’s worth 5 dollars

[long ruin]

I just think it should be a coupon on the next dlc

or for the next two

[pastel onyx]

i feel like the reason they made these free is to rework them

and i have a bad feeling the reworked version will cost money

even if u bought the dlc before the rework

[foggy flower]

This alone would be fine with me

[foggy flower]

You got a point

But if they made all the reworked focus trees one dlc I‘d be fine

[long ruin]

they already said that they will

but it also helps that giving everyone these dlc means they dont have to worry about checkifs for any future focus trees

[pastel onyx]

bruh and what if i bought the first version

[long ruin]

with regards to these 3

You probably get nothing

[pastel onyx]

now i have to pay for it again

[long ruin]

correct

[pastel onyx]

istg paradoxes money policies are predatory as f

[solid gyro]

Yes they are

I remember when dlcs were called expansion packs

[foggy flower]

The problem with them isn’t that they exist, it’s that they hide some incredibly important feature behind them

And just integrating three DLCs that all cost 15 or more at release is considerable as a scam

[solid gyro]

And expansions packs added 10x the amount of stuff dlc did

Yuris revenge, The conquerors, Barbarian invasion

[still forum]

Keep in mind its for old classic tws

Modern ca dlc policy is even worse than paradox

[solid gyro]

I know that very well at this point

[still forum]

Barbarian invasion is very like medieval 2

[solid gyro]

Not too mention that westwood doesnt even exist any more

[still forum]

More like separate game than dlc

[solid gyro]

The studio that created command and conquer

And EAs businesses model is probably the worst of the 3

[solid gyro]

Yuris revenge was like that too somewhat

As well as the Conquerers

My favorite campaign in that expansion pack was the Attila one

In the last mission You basically ride down the Italian peninsula to the gates of Rome

[thorny shell]

Just buy the starter pack (HOI4) at discount

It costed me like 10 bucks

[still forum]

I remember when there were also non game changing dlcs (in the way you dont play it separate from the main one) but they basically doubled the game content when vanilla itself was really completed unlike hoi4 one

Like the dlcs for age of wonders 3

[still forum]

Reminder how broken is still wtt

Communist china joins the allies on historical game without player action that have any chance to affect it

And roc overall wins

[jovial merlin]

Peru joined japans faction in my historical AI run

how?

That doesnt make sense

playing as UK

[pure valve]

Peru facist Japan facist Peru join Japan faction because world tension high

[jovial merlin]

Yeah but isnt historical AI programmed to not do that?

Otherwise what is the point of historical

[still forum]

During the war with ecuador only

However for commie china it's even worse

Cuz they do it in feature that's meant to happen

[tacit sequoia]

hoi4 should add a wargoal for luxembourg with the napoleon focus on france

[restive wagon]

https://i.gyazo.com/37025c210215be5947cd4a4229319a7d.jpg

let me core WALES as WELSH argentina pls

[solid gyro]

Good idea

[terse slate]

What nation can liberate indigenous people?

[still forum]

Chile

[terse slate]

Just chile?

[still forum]

Yo

[terse slate]

And do they have the same focus trees as their nations or is it a generic

[still forum]

Generic

[terse slate]

Aww damnit

[full ermine]

Latest update for this DLC makes the game completely unplayable for me

I get late-game lags even in 1936, b4 the update the game always ran smoothly

any way to fix?

[mental ferry]

Disable dlc

[urban sleet]

its not the dlc though, but the update

[urban sleet]

nonetheless, do disable the dlc and see if it changes anything. and if it didnt, downgrade your game to 1.13 and see if anything changes. if either of them fix it, then its just a matter of waiting until a patch is released afaik

[full ermine]

tysm, i will check it out and see if anything works

[full ermine]

in Steam properties there is no 1.13 option

[urban sleet]

are you sure? maybe you missed it cuz its in the middle

[full ermine]

oh my bad, thx again, appreciate it ❤️

[full ermine]

so it appears Stella Polaris is the latest one, but it is before Trial of Allegiance

and i wanted to play like a version before with the dlc working

No issues on Stella Polaris, its 100% the latest update, which is shame, since i wanted to play the dlc properly 😦

[urban sleet]

yeah of course, 1.14 was basically the update for the DLC.

nonetheless, if its working on stella polaris, then bolivar 1.14 just needs a patch update then youll be working normally

[full ermine]

1.14 was so smooth, 1.14.2 came in and fixed a lot of in-game stuff, but it definitely screwed the optimization for me, despite saying in changelog about "making tweaks for it"

now its just a waiting game for the next one

[untold schooner]

I have a question in this dev dairy https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-giant-bag-of-goodies.1624135/ it says that we will get focuses for paruguy and Uruguay am I missing something when will we get these?

[daring forge]

They are in the ToA dlc

[still forum]

will 1939 start ever get reworked?

it's very poorly made

they complain about it not being played

well

how can anyone play something that unbalanced

it seems like they just set focuses and research and dont change anything else

[vagrant olive]

i mean

i never seen anyone ever play 1939 start date like not for the meme

[still forum]

it's meme itself

[vagrant olive]

also like the build up to ww2 is kinda the point

[still forum]

japan win with china

italy win in africa

[still forum]

some nations that start war at like 41 still could build up

best part is

finland start with less divs than 36

there are other crazy stuff like hungary and romania joining invasion of poland

argentina having more factories than brazil

[terse slate]

I do it.

[untold schooner]

Oh thank you

[polar jasper]

50/50 in 1939

I've seen it go both ways with it being a coin flip

[polar jasper]

Do you have the new DLC

Oh sorry for ping, didn't realize you were answered

[untold schooner]

It's fine

And I dont

[polar jasper]

Ah

Wait for it to go on sale

Wouldn't say it is worth $15

Maybe 10

[still forum]

I've played plenty times ai only time lapse and italy always won

[tacit sequoia]

i think hungary might be included with the new DLC

besides germany, belgium, austria; there might be hungary and czechoslovakia reworks possibly...

[tacit sequoia]

only thing that gave me a hint was that hungary democratic leader has a picture now (or if it might be my mod, no idea)

[solid gyro]

Lets go i cant believe they made some dlcs free

I never thought i’d see the day

[daring forge]

I thought that had been there for a while, like maybe two or three dlc ago?

[tacit sequoia]

didnt see it then ._.

[solid gyro]

Idk it may be dependent if your playing allies or axis

AI tends to be weaker for the side you pick

ESPECIALLY in KR

[crimson violet]

why do so many people want middle east dlc? do they really want some focus trees about absolutely doing nothing?

[solid gyro]

You

Seem to forget Iraq and Iran were invaded during ww2

You're also forgetting, basically how vital and resource rich these countries were towards the war effort

Like having a dlc to buff them and give a challenge fir survival would be fun

[still forum]

Saudi Arabia becoming whole Arabia lol

[solid gyro]

2nd caliphate

Or whatever one we're in

On*

[jaunty yacht]

Iran going fascist and forming the Persian Empire, historical flavor in the invasions of Britain and the USSR, maybe Egypt being independent finally and having a unique mechanic to represent them in real life

[crimson violet]

Understandable, though a dlc only of middle east content would need to encourage to do these things outside of larp

[dull tundra]

japenese/asia or german/austrian dlc?

[still forum]

Even paradox wont sell you 1 country dlc (german)

[dull tundra]

for austria and more

[still forum]

I can see german-austrian dlc with belgium although that would be weird

[tacit sequoia]

i'd see Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Belgium (Luxembourg getting a minor tree)

[crimson violet]

Thatd be pretty

[trim quartz]

I cannot wait for the day when we finally get an Austria tree

With paradox’s slight improvement in making focus trees

It’ll be heavenly

[crimson violet]

It would just be the unhistorical path present though

How could a historical path work in which your nation is annexed

Without resistance

[visual willow]

People wanted a south america dlc, so peeps def do

[lunar folio]

The Middle East at least is near the fighting

Even if half of it wasn't involved

[winged cedar]

The middle East is pain

[lunar folio]

Also Iran and Iraq straight-up got invaded so like they got something to do

[winged cedar]

I have never once seen negative supplies

Except when I was going through Iraq

Supplies do not exist bro

You might as well give all your units, a wooden baseball bat

[visual willow]

True, but i was only commenting on "do people want nations which do nothing"

[lunar folio]

I just use tanks and sweep through Iraq so fast the supply issue doesn't affect me :)

[visual willow]

Multiple people also want focus trees for dutch east indies and malaysia

So yeah, there is a market for countries with no potentional

[visual willow]

Why didn't hitler just simply outrun his supply issues?

[winged cedar]

I think a Libya focus would be cool :>

[winged cedar]

In what part of the war

[visual willow]

Eastern front mainly

[winged cedar]

Oh, he tried that

But got stopped at Stalingrad and eventually ran out of supplies

Then the whole thing happened

[lunar folio]

Honestly outrunning supply issues was kinda unironically what Barbarossa was

[winged cedar]

That’s why he kept telling his generals to keep going

Russia winter kills you and supplies

He wanted to blitz Russia

[visual willow]

Ok but he didn't actually outrun his supply so L

[winged cedar]

And the second he got stopped is the second he was screwed

[lunar folio]

Well yeah cause it was a bad plan on a scale as large as Russia

[winged cedar]

He did pretty good till Stalingrad tbh

[lunar folio]

No he did not

[winged cedar]

The encirclement in Russia was smart

I say he did decent

The way he fought through Russia

But the thing is

The plan was temporary

[lunar folio]

Encirclments are not a new concept

[visual willow]

More like the soviets fought terribly instead

[winged cedar]

The entire foundation was based on like

Temporary victories

[lunar folio]

And yeah a lot of German success was founded upon Soviet failure

[winged cedar]

So I think

Barbarossa was failed from the start

[winged cedar]

I feel the fact he knew that and took use of it is a German success

[lunar folio]

I mean he was gonna invade the Soviets sooner or later, regardless of if the purges had happened

[winged cedar]

Yes but how he managed to take that much land in Russia in such a short amount of time is good, yes it was cuz Russia was dumb, but Hitler taking use of it was smart a little Atleast

[winged cedar]

Do you think if he didn’t invade the Soviet’s would’ve stayed allies for the rest of the war?

Because I heard somewhere that Stalin was actully like surprised

And considered Hitler a friend

[lunar folio]

That's a very controversial debate which I simply do not know enough about to say what I think

[winged cedar]

It’s interesting to think

No one forced him to turn on Russia tho, so the end was completely his fault

[lunar folio]

I mean he forced himself to do that

The fundamental ideological ideas as well as the ideological differences were what implicitly forced Hitler to invade the Soviet Union

[winged cedar]

He also really hated communists

[lunar folio]

Yeah that's the ideological differences

[winged cedar]

Oh, I see what you mean

[visual willow]

The entire war was

It would take multiple miracles for germany to truelly win

[winged cedar]

Meh, it was going pretty decent because of appeasement

[winged cedar]

Ye but I feel they could’ve sued for peace eventually

Because if you think about it, it was Germany vs the world

[visual willow]

A german-soviet war was inevitable, it's all stalin build up to

[winged cedar]

Any war like that was lost

There’s just simply too many enemies

[visual willow]

The later hitler declared war, the more soviets would build up

[winged cedar]

That’s true

Yeah I see how it could be like a countdown

[visual willow]

41 was like, one of the best case scenarios and even there it was near impossible for germany to win without collapsing before hitting the end line

[winged cedar]

Yeah I’m starting to see how the war was lost from the start

BUT THERE WAS ONE WAY TO WIN

STEINER

[visual willow]

And don't forget that the nukes that hit japan where meant for germany, they just lost too quickly

[winged cedar]

all Hitler had to do was wait for Steiner to attack >:<

Damn

Yeah

Again any war like that is lost

It’s you vs the world

And the world has nukes in an age where no one knew they existed

[deep grove]

germany basically won cuz everyone around them was weak

as soon as mfers stopped being weak

[winged cedar]

More like appeasement

Everyone around them didn’t want another war

[deep grove]

yeah

and in war they were ass

[winged cedar]

I feel if the Allies acted instantly as soon as Germany did the first crazy thing

They would’ve won easily

With very little casualties

[deep grove]

yeah

no one wanted a war

they hoped mr schmitler would chill

[winged cedar]

I think it was more desperation then they actully believed it

I mean no one would be stupid enough to not see Germany was just gonna keep asking for more

hmm

It’s 4 am I should sleep 💀

[deep grove]

yeah

imagine losing like 4 percent of ur population

you dont wanna repeat that

especially against the same mfs

[still forum]

Baldwin especially said he wanted to maintain in power and he would lose it if he started preparing for war

[vagrant olive]

I mean france and britan werent really in a state for war in 1936 to be fair

They really expanded they military by spending like 20% of gdp on year to year on military

Also the germans remilitarized suprisingly fast

And french leadership was dogshit

[still forum]

They were a lot better than germany was at that time

[bold latch]

Not true they don't have Disjointed Government like France does

[still forum]

Their army was a lot smaller than polish yet

They were ordered to retreat if any french soldier would come in

[normal sentinel]

Hello does anyone know if Paradox added a new strategic bombing animation with the new dlc?

[polar jasper]

Idk about new, but there is a neat animation for strat bombing

[normal sentinel]

The one that looks like napalm right?

I saw it on a stream both me and the streamer never seen it before

[polar jasper]

It looks like a line of explosions

[normal sentinel]

Yeah that may be the old one, the new one I saw showed burning fire in line of bombs landing

[polar jasper]

Yeah, the line of explosions

[normal sentinel]

Okay so its always been thare? I remember the old one but the new one looks sick, would buy the dlc if it only comes with trial of allegiance

[polar jasper]

The current ones has been around since AAT

[normal sentinel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2094353117 at 06:12:46 you can see it, just to be sure thats what you are talking about right?

[polar jasper]

The nuke spamming?

[normal sentinel]

06:12:52

[polar jasper]

Oh I see

Yeah that has been around since at least AAT

[normal sentinel]

Okay thank you 🙂

[full cairn]

steiner konnte nicht genügend kräfte für einen Angriff massieren, der angriff steiner ist nicht felogt

[full cairn]

once hitler remilitarized the rhineland the wehrmacht had orders to retreat from the rhineland if the french had invaded

[sleek portal]

English only, please!

[sharp moth]

i think he’s doing the “steiners counterattack” meme

[solid gyro]

Prolly

[sleek portal]

yea its not a big deal, just a little reminder

[solid gyro]

France was too fractured at the time

and people didn't want to attack Germany early when a lot of people in Britain though the Veresailes was too harsh and the Soviets were about to invade if they destroyed Germany and left a power vaccum

[solid gyro]

Russia had a huge army preparing to invade according to a lot of sources.

[prime dock]

I think Hitler would’ve invaded Russia no matter what. The whole end goal of the war was mass German colonization of Eastern Europe.

[solid gyro]

Tbh Soviets migtve invaded Germany eventually if they though Hitler was becoming too strong too

Like both hated each other, Molotov-Ribbentrop wad basically just an agreement to stall the fight for later on

[still forum]

They could think of it but probably never decide "we are strong enough"

[solid gyro]

Ehhhh

[full cairn]

woops sorry

[quiet parcel]

if I was hitler i would befriend stalin more

maybe even flipping communist

i would ask stalin to form an official alliance, invade Finland together, strike against the British

the soviet + german + italian navy combined beats the british

[still forum]

Italy dont control neither gibraltar nor suez

[quiet parcel]

then control it???

it isn't that hard

[still forum]

Soviets cant merge their fleet at 1 place

Uk would have french support

[quiet parcel]

do it in peace time then

[quiet parcel]

🤣

do you really think fr*nce is a major threat?

[still forum]

Which also have top navy

[quiet parcel]

the smelly fr*nch can be defeated with just 8 paratroopers

[still forum]

Oh yeah i forgot that uk dont defend channel too

Italy could easily land in 36

[quiet parcel]

uk never does

and the fr*nch are too smelly and weak to give much of a challenge

[plain cove]

Did Trial of Allegiance add anything other then the new focus trees? I am confused.

[sleek portal]

It's a country pack, so it's focus is mainly on the focus trees and fleshing out certain countries

MtG added the ship designer, TfV the puppet system features, etc, but the country packs (BftB and ToA) mainly focus on fleshing out nations

[lunar folio]

Quick answer no

[plain cove]

Where do I find the long answer? (I am very bad at finding the patch notes)

[polar jasper]

Peru and Ecuador fight each other now, believe that is free now.

Canada got buffed.

US got new operatives if you have La Resistance and 1 new industrial concern

But those are free

Monroe Doctrine changed with the DLC, now America can go to war with any non democratic country in the America's for 50 political power

[plain cove]

Fancy. Thankies.

[polar jasper]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/trial-of-allegiance-patch-1-14-1-bolivar.1626305/

[plain cove]

Thank you.

[tacit sequoia]

When hoi4 does the German rework, two songs they gotta add… Erika and Deutschlandlied

[still forum]

Wo alle staßen enden

Fits perfectly 100%

[tacit sequoia]

True

[calm bramble]

everyone asks when german update

no one says how german update

first off the fascist path

it needs less cheese

maybe some more cores

or you should be able to form groB deutsches reich

with being able to core all of the former imperial lands

austria and sudentenland too

just by controlling all of those territories, no rng event maneuvers by the ai if on ahistorical

[calm bramble]

yeah more prerequisites more preparation, planning necessary with like certain decisions like Peru but more

and over all more focuses that dont really give buffs persay but it should like lead to more paths like italy

and for the opposition path

the GCW needs to be more complex

weakest civil war in the game for a major by far unless I am forgetting something

(french maybe idk)

more prep for the civil war, maybe remove those buffs that the general has

and overall more chaos maybe

bavarian independence, a partisan side somewhere, ruined germany

[digital geyser]

I feel as if I have been robbed by PDX since they are giving away 3 DLCs that I paid with my hard earned money

[calm bramble]

like I feel you should definitely build up a lot of support to start it since the austrian basically had the nation under his boot

by 1936

[dense gale]

U didn’t tho the dlc has been out for what at least 5 years now

This was done to pave the way to probably rework the same dlc nations

And they need capital for that

Getting robbed is the toa dlc

[digital geyser]

The amount of time the DLCs have been out is irrelevant on the matter since players that have paid for them are not getting anything back, but instead are left with nothing unlike new players who got said DLCs free of charge.

[dense gale]

Um no

U got it way earlier than them

[tacit sequoia]

already said there should be a council of leaders path similar to italian focus tree if you don't wanna play as the painter

[tacit sequoia]

maybe something like new ways where you got the strasserists, monarchists, fascists, communists, liberals, or merge liberals with monarchists, etc.

[dense gale]

Would be pretty weird if a new player have to buy both waking thw tiger and the new dlc to get a japan rework no

[digital geyser]

Wyd "Um no". As I said; "time is irrelevant on the matter". I did not buy these DLCs the moment they came out.

[dense gale]

Paradox just streamlined it

[dense gale]

That prob mean u bought it at discount too lol

[digital geyser]

That is not streamlining

[dense gale]

Ok

Bba came out 2 years ago

[digital geyser]

I started playing Hoi last year

[dense gale]

U bought it at launch

Now its at 30% discount

[tacit sequoia]

they already said they're making one based for central europe like Germany, Belgium, Austria

[dense gale]

U alr had it for 2 yeara

Are u entitled to 40% of ur money back

Same logic

Except its a 100%

[digital geyser]

You are not following my logic

[dense gale]

It is ur argument is people should be entitled to the cheapest price

[digital geyser]

no

[dense gale]

No matter when they bought it

By your logic

Everyone should be getting refunds everytime a dlc goes on discount

[digital geyser]

No that is different

[dense gale]

How so

The price of dlc correlates with how long it came out

When epic games or steam givea out games like death stranding

Are the people who bought it 2 years ago entitled to it being free

U are being mad at nothing

[digital geyser]

Steam and Epic are giving out games when their finances allow the to do so and these free games also work as promos for their launcher to be used more

[floral cradle]

if it turns out being anything like the soviet or italian rework, we're golden

there's a lot that can be done and expanded on, especially the SS

[dense gale]

Paradox is doing it so u will buy thwir next dlc

[digital geyser]

Since BBA i have not bought anything

The way they are putting out these DLCs has become idiotic

[dense gale]

Its just a permanent 100% discount is what it is

[digital geyser]

Dude

[dense gale]

Like ur whole argument hinge on its not fair i paid for dlc that u prob bought on discount

Which kinda makes u hypocritical

[digital geyser]

I am saying that users who have bought these dlcs prior to them becoming free should get some sort of exclusive gift or discount because they have sent their hard earned money on these dlcs

[dense gale]

Because same logic can be applied for people who bought it full price

[digital geyser]

No it cannot be since these people are fully aware when sales comes and can wait to buy them

[dense gale]

Well now u can be aware that

In 8 years time aat will be free

Lmao

[hard smelt]

i buy it full price cuzz i want 2 play it👍

[dense gale]

The price is you get the thing now

[hard smelt]

yup

[digital geyser]

or maybe because you don't have the patience to wait

[dense gale]

I do lol

I got all my dlc from hoi challenges

[digital geyser]

i am not referring to you

[dense gale]

And feedback gaming

Pretty much only bought base game

[hard smelt]

why would i wait if its not neccesary im not poor :/

[digital geyser]

Then why are speaking

[dense gale]

Because ur logic is stupid

[digital geyser]

You do not have the right of say if you only bought the base game

[dense gale]

And i did buy the old dlc

They were on 90% discount or sum ahit

Like thats the price of waiting

[digital geyser]

So my point stands

[dense gale]

Now its a 100%

It doesn’t

The longer u wait the cheaper the game

[digital geyser]

You ought to stop speaking since you practicly did not spend a dime on in game content

[dense gale]

Neither did u

[hard smelt]

XD

[dense gale]

Tell me u bought all dlc full price

[digital geyser]

Most of them yes

[hard smelt]

eh if u got ur playing time out of it its still worth

[dense gale]

For those 3 dlc?

Really

[digital geyser]

not for these 3 only

[dense gale]

Dlc that goes for like 3 bucks

[digital geyser]

Easy for you to say

You see not all of us live under the same economy you see

so for you these may seem cheap

but for others they may seem expensive

Have you taken that factor into consideration or are you just speaking for yourself?

[hard smelt]

hmmm eco is good here but it just is expensive XD

[digital geyser]

If eco is good then you should have no problem afterwards

But in other countries in which there is not a stable and growing economy there may be problems

[dense gale]

Thats a you issue tho

Like how is paradox supposed

[hard smelt]

yup if u cant buy u cant buy

[dense gale]

To account for ur financial situation

If u cant afford it dont buy it

Paradox isn’t holding a gun to ur head

[digital geyser]

Your arguemnts are pointless

when a company is making decisions it should take into account each and eveyone of its users

[dense gale]

Like I could understand if u bought the dlc 2 weeks before they announced it

But a whole year

[digital geyser]

Thats what defines a good company

[dense gale]

U are shitting me

[digital geyser]

No

[hard smelt]

this is impossible XD

[digital geyser]

It is not

[hard smelt]

reallyyy tell me how XD

make evrything free ?

[digital geyser]

I am not suggesting that they should make everything free

My point is that those who have bought these prior to then being free should get compensation

They should take into account the product they are releasing

[hard smelt]

i dont see why... u choose to buy it

i dont expect any compensation for my own choice XD

[dense gale]

My compensation was i got it early?

[digital geyser]

Wasn't it their choice to make it free?

[hard smelt]

and ?

[digital geyser]

That is not how compensation works

[dense gale]

It is

Evwr heard time is money

[hard smelt]

yes

[digital geyser]

Shouldn't they have asked the community first?

[dense gale]

8 years is a long ass time to wait for a dlc to become free

[digital geyser]

We are talking about their money, their property and you are not going to take that into account

[hard smelt]

why should they ask what they do with their stuff

they could ofc , but u cant have everything

[digital geyser]

I do not want everything

[polar jasper]

Imagine if the compensation for buying the old DLCs is a new music/armor pack

Perfectly fine with me, I already got my money's worth from it

[digital geyser]

Now that is better

That is compensation

[polar jasper]

Going to be a profile badge for the thing less than 25% of people look at more than likely lol

[dense gale]

Beat case is literally they give u the preorder music

[hard smelt]

true XD

[polar jasper]

Dream on

[digital geyser]

they screw you by giving it for free and they give a pack that is equal or greater to the current price of the bought pack

[dense gale]

Very funny man

U know how they reward people who bought the game full price

Preorder music

I dont why u expect better

[digital geyser]

A piece of music that will play once in a while is not compensation

get real

[dense gale]

Tell that to the people who preordered lol

[digital geyser]

Going by your logic "iT iS tHeIR proBLeM"

[dense gale]

While thats for preorder

And willing buyer willing seller

People who preordered know what they are getting

[digital geyser]

preordering smth is differnet to making free while it was available by purchase

[dense gale]

People who preordered lnows that in 2 year time their dlc will be 30% off

Which is approximately like 5 bucks off

Old dlc goes for like 90% off

Most of the time

[hard smelt]

yeaaa its not worth the wait

[dense gale]

See the logic behind that now?

[digital geyser]

i am not going to continue arguing with someone who is not aware of others situations and does not take them into account and only thinks for himself

good night

[dense gale]

Ur thinking for urself too?

Anyway gn

[hard smelt]

gn 🙂

[digital geyser]

no but let jut leave this be. hmm?

[digital geyser]

after all you are speaking you part of the truth and I speak mine

[long chasm]

Cool argument but here is virtual insanity

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-virtual-insanity-template-walking-dancing-rearranging-furnitures-gif-27710286

[digital geyser]

damn

[still forum]

Omg

They literally decided to nerf military tree for south america out of all problems

Making whole tree worthless

Gj

It's not that south america is behind at everything in military

And cant even get 5 research slots

Nor that you have 85849483 debuffs

And before you start even doing it war should be resolved unless you were trade it for getting some debuffs later removed

Meanwhile norway can just casually get +50% attack and breakthrough on germany

But lets nerf south america so it gets op bonus of +3,5% arty attack

Paradox moment making trash updates that downgrade trees

And you cant play without updating this crap

Omg

I want my money back

[fresh cedar]

They went a little too far with the nerfs considering all South America had going for it are its military buffs due to its industry taking too long to upgrade

Conquistador probably should’ve dropped to 10% from 20%, not 6%.

[still forum]

It wasnt ever op from the start

Considering all

[fresh cedar]

It was OP imo but developed so slowly it wasn’t really that game breaking

[still forum]

Not compared to what other nations were getting

[fresh cedar]

20% flat attack bonus worldwide and an extra 60% recruitable?

[still forum]

And those didnt start with ww1 guns and 2 research slots

[fresh cedar]

That’s my argument though. All they had going for them was the military buffs considering they have minimal industry and research

[still forum]

Compare it to when they will get this bonus and what is their resources

Norway gets +50% bonus for free and earlier

Finland is as much op

[fresh cedar]

Feel like they’ll have to dial some of the buffs back up

[fresh cedar]

Though Finland and Norway can’t as easily get 120 mil core pop

[still forum]

Whole south america have less steel than poland i believe

[fresh cedar]

If you compare the buffs with the US, it’s still stronger than the US yet can have a similar population

Yeah South America has like no steel

So great, the buffs that allowed people to play despite lacking resources and factories are now gone

[still forum]

I wanna my money back for this downgrade

[fresh cedar]

These murdered Argentina imo

Gotta admit though, Brazil always seemed a step behind Chile/Argentina buff wise. So Atleast they’re more at an equal playing field

[still forum]

Everything i've read is absurd

[fresh cedar]

But then again Brazil could core easier

Reducing conquistador attack by 75% is wild

I’m super happy I got all the achievements when I did. Reminds me of how they nerfed The Global Defense Council

[still forum]

I'm never gonna play south america again

[fresh cedar]

I will, just way less often

I still like unifying South America

Never understood why Communist Brazil gets cores on all of south, Central America, and the carribean. But not Mexico

As if the 17-20 mil manpower form Brazil will matter that much lol

[still forum]

why does mexico dont have unit voices

[fresh cedar]

They didn’t really do that back when they updated it

I’m just like, why does Brazil get 126 mil manpower, but not an extra 20 mil from Mexico

I mean it’s supposed to be unifying Latin America

[bright plume]

And to think I spent all yesterday getting the Qing Empire achievement

Didn't expect nerfs to be this wild

[fresh cedar]

Wish South Africa was able to unify the continent after puppeting all of Africa. Similar to what Chile can do with their Native American tree

[fresh cedar]

They’re really bad 😂

Instead of nerfing conquistador by 75%, just lock the buffs to the Americas or something

[bright plume]

There will be a nerf of the nerf later I'm sure. The pendulum will swing back!

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m thinking

Instead of the 60-75% nerfs they made. Probably will be more like 40-50%

[bright plume]

Steam needs to include what version you completed an achievement on so that we can tell the Weenie Hut patrons from the Weenie Hut Jr. patrons

[fresh cedar]

What makes me mad is that Brazil gets the 10% division speed buff but it was removed from the global defense council

[fresh cedar]

Would be funny ngl

[still forum]

Imo they shouldnt nerf them at all

Or at least make it so they get something in return

Like start with 3 research slots

[fresh cedar]

Buffs are necessary, but shouldn’t be as extreme. Afterall game should be a little balanced

[still forum]

Not a useless one if you are debuffed by something like limited research slots

They were never super mega op nations

Just average new tree

[fresh cedar]

Agreed, the lack of research and industry should grant higher military buffs. These nerfs went too far and removed what was special about the new countries

Just wait and see if they change it back up a bit. If not, don’t play them 🤷‍♂️

[drowsy ridge]

rip 45€

[visual willow]

Did you pay the 45 bucks like just before the announcement?

[drowsy ridge]

when they were released

[fresh cedar]

I don’t mind them becoming free as it may get more new players into the game

I’ve bought every DLC

[quartz agate]

~~What.. It litterly killed all the fun about these countries.. ~~ I AGREE 👍

Anyways, i like the update where they included 3 dlc's into the main game - but rip all that money people may have bought the new one for.. :/

[fresh cedar]

Is that not what “murdered Argentina” conveys?

[quartz agate]

I mean, ya? xD

[solid gyro]

Tbh I feel it's kinda fair? It's basically paying for early access tbh

Since they're really old

[quartz agate]

oh yea, but the new one :P

[quartz agate]

But, when is it, that it's getting added? Now? at 18.00 CET?

[pseudo wing]

The current patch should already be out, however the 3 dlc's being integrated should be happening at a later date hasn't been announced yet

[quartz agate]

Alright, thanks

[drowsy ridge]

So when am I getting my money back for the DLCs that are now part of base game?

[solid gyro]

Did Brazil get any-not mentioned fixes, or is there another patch coming?

Because I did have a few confirmed reports that weren't mentioned in the patch

[pseudo wing]

I am not the one who makes decisions, and all information regarding the DLC integration was posted on the forums/steam.

[pseudo wing]

If they weren't mentioned in this current patch, they should hopefully be addressed in the next one, as for when that will be I can't say but I hope it'll be soon 🙂

[dense gale]

the market exploit wasnt even acknowledged despite feedbackk making a video on it feels bad

paradox should have made the dlc a penny

so people woudnt yap so hard about this most of those dlc has been going for like a dollar or two for ages already

[still forum]

why cant i get my money back for update that downgrades tree?

[harsh hull]

Because it's Steam that handles refunds, and won't refund items purchased after two weeks or if the game has been played for two hours while the DLC has been active

[west urchin]

Excuse me, someone can explain me wtf happened with dlc? I mean, it'll ti incluye un game base? Thanks

[harsh hull]

Do you know how Poland: United and Ready is freely available to all players that purchased the game?

Same principle, but with three additional DLC

[west urchin]

I'm reading you and I see that the problem with paid DLC is that some will become part of the base game and will no longer be available for individual purchase? is that? . Paradox did the same with Stellaris. I'm not surprised if he does it with EUIV, Victoria 3 or CKIII.

I saw that patch 1.14.3 came out. They changed a lot of things and reduced a lot of values ​​to the countries from the last DLC. It looks more stable but I think I should do a little more research. The history of Latin America is complex than the rest of the world. There are many chiefs and few Indians hahahahaha

[still forum]

It sucks tho that update can ruin thing you already paid for

[dense gale]

Funny thing is if you want play dlc just get intentionally kicked from an mp game

Like its a totally legit way of getting dlc without resorting to p*racy

Paradox also pla fix this too many people do this in no disc games and they often bug out nations

[still forum]

Thank you paradox for ruining expensive dlc experience

[calm bramble]

hoi4 civil war

fanbase vs paradox

different modding factions

different fanbase view factions

i mean

if gta san andreas can be a mod then so can this

[still forum]

Can paradox have +90% attack breakthrough and defense to represent being unstoppable by other factions?

[calm bramble]

in historical yes

[still forum]

Tbh i'm not gonna buy any new dlc

This update made me dont want to play this game as a whole

[lunar folio]

I’ve been playing a lot more Stellaris 🙂

[still forum]

time to go back to total war

[mellow rapids]

What the problem ?

Actually I am myself kinda happy with the DLC integration even if I buyed them

[still forum]

Nerfing nation to the ground making half of their tree worthless

[proud temple]

Which one

[still forum]

Newest one

[proud temple]

No which nation

[still forum]

All toa nations

[proud temple]

Ok but I don't play south America lol

[still forum]

If you would

Then you would want money back

[lyric wave]

Why DLS is so expensive and the game is not worth the money, but I'm looking to buy an add-on

[mellow rapids]

Balancing is obvious BTW

[still forum]

Trash balance

Even worse than before

[mellow rapids]

Some focus were quite OP

[still forum]

Nation with limited research slots, almost no resources and behind technologically at everything, starting with basically no army got rid of their only strength

Some national spirits that were far from the most op ones

That's definition of balance in 2024

Norway and it's+50% attack and breakthrough

Vs

Brazil with +3,5% arty attack

Choose one

[mellow rapids]

Ok, now think about late game when you core basically all of SA, probably destroyed USA etc...

[mellow rapids]

• All of the consummer good and industry bonus

[still forum]

You are still behind in tech and never able to catch up but by this point everyone is op

[still forum]

Industry bonuses?

[mellow rapids]

Not being able to catch up ? Enjoy Communist china so

[still forum]

Norway got like +50% if not more civ construction speed

While having 9 per focus

Sounds like a joke

Brazilian industry for 1941 is like polish one for 1939

[mellow rapids]

And norway is basically threatened from everywhere

when , in south america, you are basically untouchable

[still forum]

Having literally 1 enemy behind a sea

Whole south america cored is not even op

Average major

Behind at everything

Whole scandinavia is a lot more

Not to mentoin with uk

[mellow rapids]

Germany (that can easily putch you), all Your neighboor if non historical..

[still forum]

If you are that bad you lose against enemy that can only naval invade you then south america is not even safer

Imagine if japan randomly naval invades you

[mellow rapids]

They don't even have to naval invade you btw

as i said , the putch

[still forum]

But they can

Literally can

Not to mentoin some war with allies

[mellow rapids]

If UK don't defend Eastern north sea yeah, but then they will be easy to kick off to the sea

[still forum]

In short

Toa nations are now trash ethiopia likes

Oh i forgot

Ethiopia can get like +30% div attack

Brazil have their +3,5% arty attack which is something like +3

[mellow rapids]

When you see some focus effect, it was quite obvious it would be nerf

[still forum]

But it wasnt

They were far from top of the most op ones

And compensation for having years of debuffs

On everything

[mellow rapids]

The problem i have with this DLC personnaly is that Monarchist portugal dont work much anymore

[still forum]

Now you have brazil that will be always worse at everything technologically than most of the world without resources so need to spam ton of civs to even maintain production line which stuck it out of improving industry and have to waste time on worthless "buffs"

[mellow rapids]

As i said : Communist china

Not a lot of buff

no ressource

have to fight long war

[still forum]

Oh yeah communist china is modern tree they would sell you

All nordics are like 3x stronger

[mellow rapids]

And even so , communist china can become a powerhouse in late game

[still forum]

Than any toa nation

Poland baltics

[mellow rapids]

I remember how some naval bomber screwed US navy

[still forum]

It's humiliating how much stronger they are

[mellow rapids]

the problem of some tree like this is that they work in late game, but HOI don't really work in late game

[still forum]

Even like spain

[mellow rapids]

everyone have shitton of div

allied with everyone

[still forum]

They dont really as you'll never catch up

[tacit sequoia]

Couldn’t even naval invade Japanese as Qing empire

[still forum]

Nothing good about it

[tacit sequoia]

Non historical

[still forum]

No reason to play them

They have nothing to give you gameplay wise besides pain

[mellow rapids]

You always end up to catch up

As tech have a limit

[mellow rapids]

Plane : Exist

[still forum]

At like 1970

Lol

[mellow rapids]

I can tell you with PRC, i have been able to completely Screw USA by 1947

[still forum]

Idc really

[tacit sequoia]

It was late game anyways

[still forum]

You can do it as luxembourg

Or something like algieria

Doesnt make them good interesting nations that have much to offer

[tacit sequoia]

They should add more scenarios

[still forum]

Brazil starts already with everything hugely debuffed for like 3 years

[mellow rapids]

With PRC, i consider i can kill japan by 1942 or late 41 if i am somewhat ''lucky''

But yeah, chinese empire tree is the weakest of the big 3 china X)

[still forum]

Whole continent have less steel than poland

Which makes you rely 100% on importing resources which stucks your already average economy

[mellow rapids]

You have more fuel, more steel (Just checked) ,More aluminium

[still forum]

But yeah lets remove everything else they had

[still forum]

Less aluminium without guyana

And that's including whole continent

Not only brazil

2 main resources

Now if you combine all polish resources to south american ones

Or at least base ones

Still nothing more important than steel

Which locks you out of everything

Poland-romania have already more oil too

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Poland have 25 steel in 1936

SA have more than 100 + a lot of tungsten and a small bit of chromium

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And you can get it earlier

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36 in katowice alone

Another +24 from focus

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And there's like 6 in other provinces

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where your 36

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Your map shows you are wrong

Literally

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Yep, it was overlapping on germany X), still less than SA

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More

A lot more

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It's less lol

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67 VS 61

Just on chile

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+24 from one focus

And compare it to brazil

Which have like 6 steel units

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and then brazil have 46 here

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It's from focus you get later

And it's less

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+6 here

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52?

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My screen is in 1937 btw

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From focuses?

So yeah

That's state of south america in a nutshell

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we don't talk about focus but ressources

so yeah, SA Have more than poland in steel X)

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They dont get it without focus

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On poland ?

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Katowice alone is 60 with all infrastructure it's 100+

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Yeah

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Ok so you take this argument and send it to trash cordially

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And it's just pathetic how whole continent struggle with 1 country

That's low on resources

Brazil without focuses have 6 vs 60+

6x more for poland

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even if you were true on the point of steel , there still lot of fuel and tungsten here X)

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But yk what's best difference

It's whole south america

Literally with all their potential cores

Poland can core italy and ussr and west germany

And baltics

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Wut ? Italy ?

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Yes

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???

Wich path ?

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https://youtube.com/shorts/1y33XQCUaUs?si=zNYLL86Wh-rYR031

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Yeah don't count as it will never happen anyway X)

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It does

Because it's totally possibile