latest-updates

[still forum]

did other nations dont have history?

[visual willow]

Mostly no to all, but did europe/us/asia have the most influence on the world in that time period with the most possible "interesting" divergences? Overwhelmingly yes

[still forum]

did other nations dont have political potential stuff to do?

[visual willow]

Which with how politically dominated focus tree content is, is the defining factor for tree potentional

[still forum]

so thats potential?

who had most influence in the world?

it wouldnt be ever germany

[polar jasper]

I would like to say the major countries involved in the war should have good quality trees as they were the main players

[still forum]

or farther no nations like hungary

[polar jasper]

Once that happens, then you can branch out

[visual willow]

Who has the most chance to directly influence the most amount of other potentionalfull countries yes, i said that multiple times

[visual willow]

Yeah, but that's also because their position gave them the most potentional aswel

[polar jasper]

Do I think Germany needs a rework? Somewhat? But a touch up would be nice

[still forum]

every regional power can influence rest of the world

[polar jasper]

I think we are at the stage minors should be getting content

[still forum]

most of them arent in europe

and theres one another thing

doing same content over and over

[polar jasper]

Yes, but the majors should have quality trees before minors are worked on

[still forum]

just plain

[visual willow]

And honestly i do like how packs generally follow an area/theme. Means that just to have all the content in 3 neighnouring, linkrd countries you won't always have to buy 3 seperate dc because their countries are so disconnected

[still forum]

sucks

is boring

[polar jasper]

Remember when the Soviets and Italians had their 2016 trees while Spain had a pretty decent tree

[visual willow]

I'm literally asking for just one major update to the most played and potentional-rich countries

[still forum]

decrease potential of overall game

if you can focus only on few countries

[visual willow]

I'm not saying germany should be updated every 2 weeks

[still forum]

but over anyone else

[polar jasper]

A major should get a touch up with every main expansion for the most part

[still forum]

get germany rework= another year to get literally anything else

[polar jasper]

Japan really needs one and can be paired with a Southeast Asia DLC

[still forum]

then you want dod rework

[visual willow]

Not just anyone else

[still forum]

tfv rework

every pre nsb dlc

[visual willow]

Over the now not so potentional rich trees

[still forum]

so basically

[polar jasper]

TfV has been getting touch ups

[still forum]

another 10 years

to get anything new

[polar jasper]

Canada just got more content

[visual willow]

Before AAT i was arguing that rework-dlc-rework-dlc etc would be a perfect lineup

[polar jasper]

What I'm saying is every new update has new content while touching up old ones

[primal hemlock]

so uhhh

any new gameplay mechanics to the new dlc?

[visual willow]

But now we are 2 dlc past that with only now a hope that the 2nd team will update outdated stuff

[primal hemlock]

worth buying?

[still forum]

so you got a finland rework

and then south america

[polar jasper]

No

It is Battle for the Bosporous 2

[primal hemlock]

oh.

oh no

oh nonono

[polar jasper]

South America edition

[visual willow]

Finland didn't get a rework, they never had anything to begin with

[visual willow]

And also more expensive!!

[polar jasper]

Actually?

[primal hemlock]

tell me the focus trees are better

please

i beg you

[visual willow]

Yes, bftb acknowledges that it's a country pack and prices itself at 10 euro

[polar jasper]

Focus trees are decent from what I've seen, I have only played default tree Ecuador so far lol

[visual willow]

Toa forgets that and goes for 15

[polar jasper]

Oops

[polar jasper]

Better than Turkey lol

[primal hemlock]

Remake the entire navy system so the goddamn battle for the atlantic makes sense

[still forum]

i think there's quality difference between toa and bop

[polar jasper]

Navy is fine for the most part

[primal hemlock]

it is but convoy raiding sucks

[polar jasper]

Make anti sub ships

[primal hemlock]

and you don't get enough freedom over it i feel like

[primal hemlock]

that's my problem, i do

[still forum]

same reason why tfv cost less

[polar jasper]

Destroyers with sub attack and cruisers with sub detection

[primal hemlock]

and the ai never convoy raids me beyond their own shores

[polar jasper]

Basically make an aircraft carrier light cruisers filled with float planes

And destroyers with depth charges

Put them in a fleet that is only for convoy escort and you are gaming

Or you use large or medium air frame naval bombers

[visual willow]

That's an AI issue, not a naval system issue

[primal hemlock]

fix the ai then

and i wish i had a bit more freedom over the battles themselves

like gimme an option to take over the battle or smth

[polar jasper]

Wdym take over

You can tell to disengage

[primal hemlock]

its just annoying when you're in a stalemate of a battle, you're chipping away their health and the stupid ass commander withdraws

[primal hemlock]

like tell which ships to target what, would make it a bit more interesting

[polar jasper]

Ah, I simply use admirals with the gentlemanly trait

[primal hemlock]

ofc dont kill theai

[polar jasper]

They retreat

Not me

You can also do the one where you have a smaller chance to retreat which is good too

[primal hemlock]

i do that

but like, in a gwr game i had a genuinely amazing navy as the french, i engaged the german fleet manually and we agreed to do it (it was mp) and my random ass moron retreated, had 3 of my dreadnaughts sank by crits, and my mp partner said ALL of his fleet was on high damage

[polar jasper]

RIP

[polar jasper]

Did you set yours to always engage? Heard that helps

[primal hemlock]

yeah i did

i also straight up went brave captains

[polar jasper]

Ah RIP

Admiral chickened out

[solid gyro]

Has anyone managed to submit multiple screenshots to the Hou4 Bug report?

[zinc briar]

it was one of my map mods

that was causing the map to be black

after buying the DLC

just letting yall know 🙂

[solid gyro]

Ngl

This dlc is the only one I've had bugs for

Oh lmao the Falklands acheivement just got cheese for me

Britain decolonized

[gilded coral]

I was wondering the same thing

Its a bit weird that they allow you to rename yourself idk communist states of south america but then don't let you core anything

I was planning to get the Piao(or whatever his name is) and Nottingham achievement and then the world conquest one but if I cant core south america I should probably just do another path that actually allows me to core South America

[polar jasper]

Easy achievement

[solid gyro]

Very

[calm light]

hi just updated the game and it says "this save is from a previous version" is this typical of hoi4? just bought the game a couple weeks ago.

[ruby zealot]

it is because the game has been updated mate

just came out like a day or 2 ago

[full ermine]

came out yesterday evening

sry 2 days ago

[calm light]

does that always happen? seems silly to not be able to load old saves because the game had an update

i am extremely new to the game. bought it on sale a few weeks ago

[full ermine]

yeah always does, new update/dlc = bye-bye save files

if you want to access your old save files, go to Steam properties and revert the old update

[calm light]

thanks bud

[ruby zealot]

bro just said what i was typing :sob;

ty man

[full ermine]

we wrote at the same time 🙂

[ruby zealot]

fair enough man gl with learning it

[ruby zealot]

yeah

[calm light]

it is pain

[ruby zealot]

eh well feel free to dm if you want me to help ye

[still forum]

Same for brazil with united states of south america (democratic and monarchist)

[solid gyro]

Next wednesday next major dlc

[solid gyro]

I hope it’s a Japan rework

They’re the major with the worst content in my opinion

[summer spear]

Japan and USA DLC with naval rework would be awesome

[solid gyro]

If they make it a Pacific focused rework then I hope they also make Australian content better.

[summer spear]

would be good but i'm mainly interested in USA, Japan and Naval rework

both nations are quiet underwhelming in content compared to other nations

and navy is just basically useless

[bleak schooner]

Brazil without airplane technology in 1939 is kind of wrong, as if the FAB didn't exist

[daring forge]

Yes

[charred crest]

lol you can edit the brazilian integralist militias and get a full equipment unit for 20 pp

[tacit sequoia]

Anyone done the senor shitler achievement?

[hushed shuttle]

Until my usual mods get updated i have to play on stellar polaris

[solid gyro]

Oh I completely agree, compared to the other majors (especially recent ones like Italy and the USSR) they’re terrible. I’d just appreciate a much needed Australia rework too given their contribution to the war is often overlooked.

[fluid scroll]

Middle east tech trees

[tacit sequoia]

honestly

hoi4 should've add fascist demagouges or smth to argentina, cuz its hard as shit to getting the "somehow he has returned" achievement

or lower the requirements from "more than 60% support of fascism"

[versed bronze]

I’ve been labbing this- in some games I was able to get the national referendum to pop up after 50% I think but after Berlin fell. Another game Berlin didn’t fall til later but after 50% I had no referendum decision

[tacit sequoia]

i never got the referendum decision 💀

i just had to force myself get to 53 and germany caps

[versed bronze]

I know it’s a thing cause I saw a pic of someone who was able to flip in April 1937

[tacit sequoia]

and i did 3 games, keeps going to "remilitarized rhineland"

its kinda sad tho to make it 60%

im hopin i can get the achievement asap lol

i dont think ima get it 😱

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

that is the hardest achievement to get 😭

[versed bronze]

I’m sure it’s meant to happen after WW2 but I want to get it from the CW

Maybe after Sudetenland failure? But that’s annoying to RNG roll that

[vocal basin]

what do you guys think about the new dlc?

personally i think its nice for larping but its just too op

[drowsy marsh]

Invade Germany and you’ll get it

gotta capitulate them

that’s how I got it

Germany needs to be fascist though

[sage cape]

the fundantion of palmas is only in 1989, in 1936 the mostly big cities in the north of goias (tocantins) was gurupi and araguaiana

lol

note: palmas was a planned city

[rotund edge]

can someone give me a summary of what the new dlc brings?

[sage cape]

south america focus

[rotund edge]

only that?

[sage cape]

at least

[rotund edge]

i thought that it would bring juicier things but ok

[sage cape]

also 1.6 kk is the current pop of tocatins is 1.6kk XD

child labor and a little more

[restive wagon]

bro how do i get rid of the river navy state modifier??

everytime i take over paraguay, they revolt to high hell b/c of that modifier

[dim vault]

chile definitley shouldnt be able to join the axist just because they are in a war

kinda bogus and ruined the whole playthrough

[polar jasper]

Greece shouldn't be able to join the Allies when they are in a war - Italy probably

[stiff walrus]

What's up with argentina having 0% ws value?

[solid gyro]

Slowly ripping my hair out

Monarchist Brazil can Invite nations into its faction but not integrate them

Democratic Brazil can integrate them but invite nations

[long ruin]

lol

[still forum]

How could you even get france as chile?

[solid gyro]

dude germany getting bullied in this new update

[still forum]

Why wont this server just add bug report channel

United states of south america dont give cores

Same for communist brazil path

[restive wagon]

fr how do some paths give you cores and some dont 🤣

[gilded coral]

The thing is, how do we even know its a bug?

[still forum]

Because it's obvious what's it supposed to do

Culmination of a path

Especially since doing it democratically makes more sense than by force

I dont see a reason why fascist uniting south america would get a cores but brazilian communists wouldnt unlike argentinian communists which can

[gilded coral]

Well not necessarily, I checked the dev diaries and as far as I could tell they never really mentioned that the commies could core south america

They really only mentioned the fascist/monarchist path and democratic paths when it came to coring

[still forum]

Then what's ulasr supposed to do?

[gilded coral]

Probably just a forceful union where Brazilians still hold power and dont assimilate their other nations? Idk kinda like greater german reich

But better

Because claims actually give you some bonuses

Not great bonuses, but they're bonuses nonetheless

[still forum]

Nah dont defend bugs it obvious

[gilded coral]

Im not defending bugs because theres actually a reasoning for it

[still forum]

It doesnt make any sense why fascist would get cores by saying they are uniting continent and commies and democrats would not

[gilded coral]

The democrats do tho

Its just the commies that get claims

[still forum]

They dont

Only annex

[gilded coral]

Which still give some bonuses to occupied territory

[still forum]

Without giving cores

[still forum]

And how does it make any sense?

It could be only other way around

Communism is about equality

[gilded coral]

Honestly man, who tf knows, I try to make sense of it but you have a point

Also let's not go there

[still forum]

While fascism is far from it

[gilded coral]

I guess we'll have to wait for an official response if it really is unintentional

[still forum]

Even if he would try for some reason

Make it as uninteresring and boring as possibile

It should be changed

[gilded coral]

Im still assuming (in the case of commie brazil) that instead of giving you cores outright they just give you the bonuses from claims

[still forum]

Argentina can core south america as commies

[gilded coral]

Whether it was actually intentional or not

[still forum]

Which makes it look even more unintentional

[gilded coral]

Can really only be clarified by the devs themselves

[still forum]

They didnt name it any more than for commie path just using word uniting just like in commie path

But that also ignores the fact democratscant core

[solid gyro]

Pretty sure it's a bug

Because the Democrats can't even invite nations into their Faction

At worst, a massive oversight

[solid gyro]

Not really, I think you can just go Fascist and wait until '45 when Germany caoituaktes

[restive wagon]

https://i.gyazo.com/63f3ae682d84bc09f5827518b69c09fa.png

i love being locked out of my focus tree because the military political support is bugged, great dlc paradox

+6 for democracy but it says +0 😄

[crimson violet]

still can't understand why people are complaining for the this dlc saying that it only contains focus trees

didn't they look into the dev diaries?

[nimble torrent]

honestly thank god there's only focus trees
this makes it on par with the turkey dlc, so you really don't have to buy it unless you want it

shame there's so few focus trees tho

[visual willow]

And that it's more expensive then BFTB which was also a country pack

[still forum]

Will they ever add helicopters?

[crimson violet]

would be as useful as armoured cars

[still forum]

chile can core not only all of the americas but also polynesia? XD

[calm bramble]

Weren't those invented in the 1950s?

If you want to try them out you can play TNO

[still forum]

hoi3 had them

hoi4 have a bit of 1950 tech

[calm bramble]

No comment

[still forum]

like jets

or bit rocket technology

[still forum]

run to the hills

[calm bramble]

Bye

[still forum]

flee

[jovial merlin]

I thought the canadian war effort would have contained more than this tbh

They just added 2 focuses in order to get newfoundland and labrador (but the provinces aside from the resources have very little buildingslots and manpower)

and buffed King which to be fair is nice. And yeah they changed the focus for CD howe to 35 days (and that one focus got patched)

But its nothing great

If Day is still one of the most irritating useless focuses out there.

Mine the shield for a whopping 4 steel 3 chromium is nothing short of garbage

[fluid scroll]

literally not doing anything, and i'm not at war with anyone

Except for having volunteers in spain which might trigger it?

[floral cradle]

what if Argentina in the dlc was actually led by freddy fazbear instead?

i think that'd be pretty funny

[solid gyro]

Happens if England Decol9nizes

[fluid scroll]

gotcha

[solid gyro]

Yeah tbh bummer it can be cheesed but good for collecting multiple acheivemebts at once

[visual willow]

I don't think that it's "cheese" if britain's ai happens to go to the path that gives it to you

[solid gyro]

Well yeah

Idk the proper wording

Just kinda feels like it happens out of nowhere when Britain decolonizes

Like I didn't even know I had it until the acheivement popped up

[still forum]

How to get usa as chile

I couldnt even break to the mexico border until 1943

From there it seems like impossibile

To get large enough army

I managed to get from there even every major vp except chicago and detroit

But pushing even farther seems impossibile even with total air domination

[winter elbow]

hi i am playing new brazil and have a few problems

1. i am going united states of south america and do the appropriate focuses yet brazil is not "allowed" to send volunteers
2. the 'amazonian war' never ends apparently, barring peru and ecuador
3. by the time i can form the united states of south america most of the SA democratic nations have neutral focus and wont join me

[calm bramble]

😨

[solid gyro]

how much hours do you have

[fresh cedar]

Grand Federation of Amerindian Peoples is insane

Once liberating all of the Americas and having them as a puppet, you can then choose to Unify them all. Getting cores on all of the Americas

[rotund edge]

can anyone recommend me a difficult mod to play

im bored

[solid gyro]

Endsieg or black ice

[still forum]

How did you take us

[fresh cedar]

Through Mexico with about 180 divisions. If you blitz through Mexico and take cali and Texas quick, can secure most of their oil and limit their airforce. Then just encircle wherever you can.

[still forum]

How do you get mexico before they join allies?

Naval invasion?

[fresh cedar]

They were in the allies

All of Central America was

[still forum]

I didnt manage to get more manpower than to make single army group while guarding ports

I managed to take all major points except chicago and the 2nd north one

[fresh cedar]

I just went all adults serve as soon as possible and got all the manpower buffs I could. Even so, only has about 1 mil left after taking Canada

[still forum]

But couldnt get more than that

[fresh cedar]

Around 40 of the divisions were from puppets

[still forum]

You released those puppets?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah always do, they give you extra manpower for releasing. Around 150-200k in total I believe

[still forum]

I thought compliance gave more

Since you have +10% non core mp

[fresh cedar]

I believe the 25% monthly population bonus I had helped a lot

[fresh cedar]

It does but you get that from occupying Canada and US territories

I didn’t release brazil till the war was over too

This was all in historical the so the allies were pretty distracted elsewhere too

[jovial merlin]

Hm I like the newfoundland act focus as Canada

However if you do it after the UK has already done region-wide industrial integration (adding 1 building slot)

you will lose those building slots when you do newfoundland act focus

[near gale]

I love that u can play as easter island

best update ever

[still forum]

New foundland should be separate tag tbh

Not necessary get a tree

But exist as separate tag

[jovial merlin]

yeah its odd how there are non existing releaseable factions

yet New Foundland, an actual seperate dominion that existed

isnt in there

[kindred beacon]

realistically this should come with like a -95 percent recruitable pop debuff since most of the Americas aren't pure indigenous people

and "decolonizing" the Americas, assuming that means asserting racial supremacy of Natives on the entire continent would be an ultra-minority rule

[fresh cedar]

I just consider it similar to the Global Defense Council. It genuinely isn’t easy to do

[restive wagon]

hooray communist chile unplayable cuz ur locked out of ur focus tree until oct 1938 and then hit with 10+ 70 day focuses 😄

great work paradox y'all totally did a good job

[oblique reef]

only 700 days bro not much

lmao

[restive wagon]

hooray so by late 1940 im finally able to play the video game woo hoo

u may as well just go any other path and force flip communism, shit is 10x quicker than the actual communist path for chile

[oblique reef]

yes!

[solid gyro]

Completely locked out? Or you just can't do political focuses?

[restive wagon]

locked out of political focuses, so u might as well be locked out of ur entire tree lol

[solid gyro]

You shouldn't be able to expand that easily

Makes the game unbalanced

Unrealistic

And the countries overpowered

[restive wagon]

except all the other paths that let u become op earlier

yea dude nice logic

🤣

commie chile is just uniquely dogshit for some reason idk why

[solid gyro]

They get thrown out of airplanes?

[solid gyro]

The industry focuses are op?

[restive wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/materano-chile-cat-gif-9337747080194287448

[still forum]

Well

There's no way to finnish chilean tree by 1938

[solid gyro]

I wouldn't be against first 1-4 years only being able to do historical focuses in certain contexts

More or less

[restive wagon]

woo hoo so by the time france has fallen u get to finally play the game

woo hoo!

[solid gyro]

I mean in certain contexts

No that one

[restive wagon]

yea the historial path 😐

[still forum]

Fall of france is still early game lol

Mid game is like 41

[restive wagon]

yea not for me lol mid game for me is 1938

late game is 1941 and beyond

i only go to 1945 if im going for an achievement or sumn

[still forum]

Before even invading ussr?

[restive wagon]

yea around the time germans invade ussr, i've already done a majority of what i wanted (most of the time)

taking out allies makes the game 10x easier and is necessary to play the game imo

if not ur just gonna get spam naval invaded, so boring

[still forum]

Well it's not problem of the path game is supposed to end later

[restive wagon]

i would be fine with playing later but the game runs so slow by like 1942

[still forum]

You never play ussr?

[solid gyro]

I mean if you had a french focus tree for 1789-1815 and the first 50 30 day focuses were historical with maybe 5-10 alternate small change focuses and the 51st focus when Louis xvi gets killed you can play as monarchist France instead of the Republic

[restive wagon]

ye ussr is fun

[still forum]

It starts war in 1941

[restive wagon]

not how i play 😎

[solid gyro]

Having an overpowered kingdom of France wouldn't make sense in a french revolution context

[restive wagon]

by late 1936 im already at war with poland and the allies 😎

conquered britain by 1938 hex yeaaa

got the allies under my belt during barb splits the german troops in half

[still forum]

Well you are then playing the game not the way it is supposed to

[restive wagon]

??

communist can justify war goals from day 1 lol it's a built in mechanic

sorry i dont sit afk on 70 day focuses

[still forum]

But the game is not designed to abuse it

You would get kick from any mp

[restive wagon]

abuse 🤣 ? bro what

yea built in mechanics = abusing forgot

[still forum]

Game is not made to go to war by this early moment which is reflected by ussr having ton of debuffs that doesnt matter because ai suck

Especially on historical ai where it cant prepare

Just because it is made to fight later

[restive wagon]

so are encirclements abusing? it's a built in mechanic but you shouldnt destroy the enemy units because that's not how real war is designed 🤓

only bashing ur head into the enemy should be allowed!

[still forum]

Large encirclements are a real thing

How would you even play mp if you rage quit before war starts

paradox must be crazy if both chile and argentina can core whole south america with less focuses while brazil can only get claims with much longer tree

[restive wagon]

mp is way too slow i've tried to get into it but playing on 3 speed for 8 hours isn't fun lol

[still forum]

well regardless of that

[restive wagon]

also not to mention that playing a major is commiting at MINIMUM 10 hours. (in mp)

[still forum]

38 by design is early game

[floral cradle]

blud ur cooked if u think 38 is mid game lmao

USA crying with that mentality

i love staring at a changing map for hours at a time

[still forum]

paradox should remove random nations joining faction because they are at war

it's GAME BREAKING

[west urchin]

Good night everybody. Today I was able to install the new HOIV update. It really changes the stories of Brazil, I liked that now the USA and even Chile placed an embargo on me (which really happened) and that on other occasions I did not appear. It seems that now the combats are a little more balanced. This patch really fixed a lot of things. I liked the historical arc of Brazil and Argentina, Chile begins with its socialism hahahahaha. It's good, they really took the trouble to investigate those events that happened. Right now there is a Peru-Ecuador conflict in the middle of WWII. Thanks Paradox, it wouldn't hurt to continue with a second installment (Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Guyana, Panama, among others). Greetings.

[pure valve]

Not yet

Somewhere else first

[empty path]

anybody else feel like this dlc was a little lackluster?

[analog crystal]

bc it was a cashgrab

hopefully they use the funds for a banger tho

i have faith in paradox and i dont think they will let us down

[empty path]

🤷‍♂️

[solid gyro]

who has a non hist game up rn?

[deep grove]

looks in alt history multiplayer

look*

[lunar folio]

No they’re gonna use the HOI4 funds to make all the other games better

[solid gyro]

It’s was imo. Chile’s tree is the best one and it’s actually solid but it feels rough

Brazil’s fascist “tree” is super disappointing

[solid gyro]

I like how it says most stable release

And this is the one dlc where I've faced the most bugs lol

[solid gyro]

Ecuadorian Politics of the 30s and early 40s would make a really fun tree ngl

[lilac cargo]

Outside of expansions, we have even more big stuff happening for HoI in the very near future. Watch this space.

well

[solid gyro]

They also have potential for a really wacky path to bring back the Spanish Empire

There's gonna be another dlc soon

Maybe

[graceful dagger]

Later this year, we will announce/release the major "expansion" of the year.

[solid gyro]

Knew it

Is it Ecuador Expansion 👉 👈

[quick gull]

Just give me a better Japan and I will die happy

[graceful dagger]

We comunicated this during our announcement of Trial of Allegiance but thought it best to repeat it now.

[solid gyro]

May I ask something?

[graceful dagger]

Sure thing

[solid gyro]

Not ask

But

[solid gyro]

There is a big preventing the player from accessing all the Norweigan, Argentinian, and Brazilian models from the start

Idk if it's been seen but I put a big report put on this with AAT

[graceful dagger]

Could you do a bug report on that on the forum, and then send it to me either by pinging me or in my dms and Il talk to the devs about right away. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/hearts-of-iron-iv-bug-reports.951/

[solid gyro]

Just want to see it fixed because unit models are the 2nd most important thing to me from focus trees

I love your modeling btw:)

[solid gyro]

I already have a few reports, I'll find it and dm it to you in a bit

[spring scarab]

When new focus trees on Europe?

[solid gyro]

Id assume something in the next one or two years

[calm bramble]

We need this for sure

Maybe not before a germany-japan rework but still

Peru Ecuador Colombia Venezuela could use some content

[solid gyro]

Idk about the latter two

But Ecuador went through like 5 different presidents from the Game's start

It'd make for a chaotic and fun focus tree

[spring scarab]

Europe rework needed

[calm bramble]

I agree with you

However

[spring scarab]

Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Hungary etc

[calm bramble]

If Paradox adds good content, I will play it no matter where it is

[calm bramble]

Romania and Yugo too have horrible focus trees ngl

[solid gyro]

Hungary is ok

[spring scarab]

Comm path

[solid gyro]

I'd take Czechs over Hungary

[solid gyro]

YES!

I think people overlook how adding these three nations to the game makes Non-Historical wackier

Like I'd take every nation having a focus tree before reworks

Because that means there's going to be variety and chaos in your games

[calm bramble]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

Also

I will riot if they don't add a Mengukuo tree

[calm bramble]

Thats like almost the whole point of kaiserredux and tno

[solid gyro]

You cant just have a leader with "Spirit of Genghis" and not have a Yuan Dynasty tree

[calm bramble]

East asia rework honestly

Mongolia Mengugkuo focus trees

And rework the rest

Maybe indonesia and phillipines...

[calm bramble]

And you only have to rework like China Japan and Manchukuo

Cuz the other warlords can become china

[solid gyro]

Indonesia, Phillipines, Thailand and Malaya

With maybe a minor rework

[calm bramble]

Those four could be a seperate release

[solid gyro]

Yeye

They'd be the most likely pairing imo

Based on proximity and participation

[solid gyro]

Japan desperately needs attention, as does East Asia in general

[calm bramble]

2 new good focus trees and 3 good reworks is fine

[solid gyro]

I’d say Japan might be the only country in the game that needs to be completely changed from square one

[still forum]

Mongolia>>>Mengukuo

[calm bramble]

Mengukuo is Mongolia lite

So I have an idea

[fresh cedar]

Preferred priority ( Since it’s a World War game, not Napoleon total war)

1. Pacific Theater rework with changes to map and nuclear weapons.

2. Changes to Germany, Lux, Belgium, Austria along with wonderweapons. (Rockets, Jets, Super Heavies)

3. Flavor Changes to Middleast/North Africa in terms of map, countries, events and AI Priorities. Trade/Occupation could use a rework here.

[calm bramble]

For West-central Europe paradox could make focus trees for Belgium and Luxembourg and rework czechoslovakia germany and france

[solid gyro]

Yeah that’s about right

[calm bramble]

More east they could do a release to make a focus tree for austria and rework romania yugoslavia and hungary

[solid gyro]

Germany has a good “core” so to speak but just needs much more flavor for its paths as well as a communist path

[calm bramble]

Diplomatic focus tree should be separated

Like the Italian one

[solid gyro]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

Germany needs more goals that align with the power creep of regions DLC. So potential cores, formables, military upgrades

[solid gyro]

Yeah it’s issue is that it’s pacing is firm but also leaves little room for expirmentation

[calm bramble]

You could have the mutually exclusive focuses of either merging austria into Germany or making an austro hungarian puppet

[solid gyro]

Stuff like that, yep

Things of that nature give players good options

For example

“Befriend the Czechs” is a useless focus

You can get cores, occupation, and a puppet

Or you can get an ally in 2 years

[calm bramble]

R56 was on the right tracks

But they kind of crashed the train

Civil war could also be reworked

Lamest one in my opinion

Should be like the soviet civil war to some degree

[calm bramble]

No ideology support growth needed or anything, just push east after the first focus finishes

[fresh cedar]

I think some of the new South American countries get a little too strong. They give you 20-30% attack bonuses globally. When maybe these bonuses should be locked to all former states of Mexico/Spain or regions

Like I understand Mapuche doing 30% extra in the Americas. But not outside of that

[solid gyro]

I’d also like to say some nations although fun are SUPER dependent on national spirits

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[solid gyro]

Finland is an excellent country to play as: fun, not too dense of a focus tree, but enough flavor and options to get creative

However

The national spirits that you need to be successful lead to you being forced to push the cool stuff to the side for a while

[fresh cedar]

Which I sort of like as you gradually get stronger, seemingly through experience

If they do this to some though, every major country will need its specializations

[calm bramble]

Finnish national spirits aren't that strong ngl

[solid gyro]

Yes, but there should be balance

Crusade against Democracy is a good example

[fresh cedar]

The US for its production and reliability. Russia for its numbers, Germany for its quality

[calm bramble]

They add a little modifier to most mechanics

Which is nice

[solid gyro]

It forces you to pace yourself

[fresh cedar]

Mhm

[calm bramble]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

I think Italy is paced very well

Offers a lot of flavor and options that adapt to changes in the world and war

And it’s bonuses are overtly OP for the most part

[calm bramble]

I like to believe paradox is reading these conversations...

[fresh cedar]

Argentinas Crusade spirit which gives 20% attack/defense is insane 😂

[solid gyro]

Or Norways, which gives +40 attack and defense against Germany

[solid gyro]

I dont see Mongolia having the Spirit of Genghis, they had failed him

[fresh cedar]

Attack buffs really shouldn’t surpass 15% if they aren’t locked to regional buffs

[solid gyro]

Italy is well paced, it’s such a large tree though it can be very challenging to get an idea of where to go first

[calm bramble]

The amazonian war national spirit and the german war hero modifiers do the same

[fresh cedar]

I’m fine with them as long as they are region locked to the Americas and not globally. Afterall, the US gets 20% attack and defend in the US

[calm bramble]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Maybe the US’s should also be extended to all of the Americas

[solid gyro]

Yeah however the matter of when you can get these buffs i big too

[fresh cedar]

And the new SA dialed back to the Americas

[calm bramble]

Atleast the ones before are limited in time too

[solid gyro]

Like homeland defense emergency act is undoubtedly good but it can be popped only under specific conditions

[fresh cedar]

Agreed. I like learning a tree honestly

[calm bramble]

They should be removed after some time till you make some good divisions

Or the conditions aren't met anymore

[fresh cedar]

I like them existing. Gives you a sort of sphere of influence if locked behind regions. I just don’t think they should be able to be used anywhere

[calm bramble]

Ecuador peru war lasting like 10 years because of that buff:

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[calm bramble]

After the initial peace deal offering being accepted/rejected it should be removed

[solid gyro]

Have you seen that if Ecuador loses the worst and gets exiled to the Galapagos they get a new name

The “Gallapagos Regime”

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

[calm bramble]

Fr?

That's crazy

[fresh cedar]

It does yeah

They fight on for eternity most times

[calm bramble]

Started a fascist civil war and got them to the galapagos and it didn't really happen

[fresh cedar]

I think permanent buffs are good just need territorial limits though. I don’t particularly like buffs that only last 60-720 days. Makes it feel like a waste

[calm bramble]

Also

[fresh cedar]

In certain situations I’d like it though

Like TORA TORA TORA

[calm bramble]

I think maybe France's disjointed government should impact surrender limit less

And instead Germany should get a temporary division speed buff

Till France falls or till '41-'42

Division speed doesn't really affect combat as much, so if the allies prepared properly it shouldn't make a difference

[fresh cedar]

Division speed and high planning speed gets pretty cracked

[solid gyro]

Yeah I agree there

[calm bramble]

Max planning can get even more cracked

Since you can just do staff office plan

[solid gyro]

It can be janky at times, but I get it’s meant to simulate the quick surrender

[calm bramble]

And get to 40 percent in a week or two If im not mistaken

[fresh cedar]

I believe Germany does get 40% yeah

Like Germany, Uk, USA have the highest

[calm bramble]

Would be nicer if you got that speed buff imo since you could actually encircle stuff more easily

Like irl

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather the option than a mutually exclusive change

Some people would rather an army with speed and others with planning. Trees like Italy would give that flexibility

[calm bramble]

Oh yeah

You're actually right

[solid gyro]

Yes, options instead of armor should be good

[fresh cedar]

So historically, Germany would probably get the speed and France like 5-10% less surrender penalty from the spirit

[calm bramble]

An option to focus on extra speed or planning would be kind of crucial for germany's military

[calm bramble]

Yeah something like that

[fresh cedar]

Is there any case where buffs are limited to regions? Apart from those pertaining to cores

Like 20% attack/def on all Middleastern states

I don’t believe there are

Because if that does ever become a thing. I could see a debuff version of that being great too. Like Germany gets -10% atk/def in certain Russian cores

Or the US getting worse debuffs as it gets closer to the Japanese mainland. So -10% at Iwo Jima, and -20% on mainland Japan

[solar inlet]

paradox why no fix about italy losing -0,50% balance of power after retaking cores

[restive wagon]

paradox still hasn't fixed that bug? 💀

[solar inlet]

no

[restive wagon]

i remember getting the achievements for italy and wanting to kms cuz of that bug lol

lol not surprised, they f ucked up the new dlc pretty hard why would they patch old bugs 😂

order 66 was in the game for how many years too?

[solar inlet]

so annoying cuz i forgor to put troops in sardinia and i conquered france ez

[restive wagon]

"USA should no longer guarantee Monroe countries in addition to having the Monroe spirit if Trial of Allegiance is on, unless Tension is > 90%" bro holy fu ck thank you, i was tired of getting declared on by the USA in 1938

now lets fix up the communist chile path and the random paths that dont let core anything in south america until you own all of it. why do some paths get cores straight away and some you have to take over the entire continent?

[still forum]

Mongolia could get something more

Like uniting with inner mongolia

[calm bramble]

I hate that debuff so much

[solar inlet]

Yeah its so annoying

[calm bramble]

I thought it was owned states not just core states

Ngl

I could have waited another month for a paraguay-uruguay style bolivia tree

[solid gyro]

You can cheese the civilwar

If you manually boost the grand council

The civikwar doesn't trigger

Atleast last time I checked it doedny

[topaz depot]

i literally owned 94% of the planet with augustus caeser as my leader, i had done incredibly well but it for whatever reason locked the decisions that boosted power to mussolini

i had lost sardegana at the very start

[solar inlet]

: / pls fix paradox

[topaz depot]

bolivia is meant to be conquered by peru

its like austira to germany

speaking of which

i dont have TOA

[calm bramble]

tf

since when

I think you mistook Bolivia for Ethiopia

[topaz depot]

do all non updated south american countries have generics or do they have a different thingy

[calm bramble]

generics

[topaz depot]

peru-bolivia is literally the first thing your supposed to do in a peru run

[calm bramble]

bro what

[topaz depot]

peru...

[calm bramble]

you mean peru ecuador!??!?!?

I am utterly confused

[topaz depot]

no theres literally a formable

called peru bolivia confederation

[calm bramble]

ok

did not know

[topaz depot]

your supposed to attack bolivia

[calm bramble]

since when did it exist

[topaz depot]

when playing peru

[topaz depot]

since TOA

[calm bramble]

well then that's why I dont know about it

[topaz depot]

it gets you the core and fuels your mad dash to form bolivar

[calm bramble]

I lagged out and the messages I wrote didn't send...

anyways

that isn't really a good justification for Bolivia to not have a focus tree

to put it lightly

and also that would mean that Peru gets to core every nation in south america without a focus tree

neat

[white canopy]

Liberia focus tree when

[solid gyro]

Western roman empire focus tree when

[restive wagon]

** grants cores on all american states **

liberia focus tree hype

[still forum]

You have already

Italy

Eastern is greece

[solid gyro]

An illusive exchange with Arheo just occurred gents

[tacit sequoia]

sadly to rebelshock, it aint japan 😭

[solid gyro]

Yeah lol. He followed it up with “must be those Belgian spies”

So you know what that means

[tacit sequoia]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[solid gyro]

I am thinking Austria and Belgium

But number 3 I’m not sure

Ireland or Albania…

[tacit sequoia]

you're ignoring the main one

deutschland - rammstein intensifies

[solid gyro]

Excellent point

I must clarify

The post I made was talking about a reply Arheo gave me earlier, regarding the trickiness of reworking old focus trees for free

He said that building a new focus tree would be a lot of resources, so it would likely be another DLC purchase, to which this guy responded with a good idea, etc

So it could be Germany

Albania, Ireland, and Siam seem unlikely

Siam, though ripe for a potential focus tree isn’t in Europe, and the HOI team like to do DLC in regions

[tacit sequoia]

maybe Ireland and Albania will get a paraguay uruguay styled tree, same with luxembourg

[solid gyro]

Could happen

[tacit sequoia]

or luxembourg will get it like aussa

[solid gyro]

Notice he did say at least 3

Also I am operating under the assumption that next DLC is gonna be a full one and not a country pack

[tacit sequoia]

imagine trenches being added tho

that would be amazing

or infantry + motorized rework

[tacit sequoia]

if they do rework germany (which is a positive), they should add the Gleiwitz incident to it prior to the war kicking off

it could give germany a "war support +5% buff" for the invasion of poland

[tired acorn]

just found about it right now althrough i had it on my mind since the release and always forgot to try it

fill the entire division with artillery and profit. dunno if it works with tanks

[tacit sequoia]

or a polish "Gleiwitz Incident: Attack -10% Defense -10%"

[calm bramble]

hmm

thought this was hoi4 general

my bad

[still forum]

sounds stupid

should they also add every casus belli?

and it would give buffs?

[tacit sequoia]

not rly stupid as to that was beginning of WW2

[still forum]

so?

you already have focus to go to war?

basically everyone had casus belli?

[tacit sequoia]

true

[still forum]

should all attackers get buffs?

[tacit sequoia]

only those who participated

kinda feels weird playing germany cuz, it doesnt start on sept 1st as those think

[pseudo wing]

lmao

[tacit sequoia]

it starts august 24st, instead of sept 1st 💀

free id

[still forum]

it could be simply fixed by making poland decline ultimatum with slight delay

if you play poland you can decline it even later

[tacit sequoia]

true

it just feels like germany needs somethin after 6 years

[still forum]

a lot bigger problem is date of invasion of france

it have wrong year

[tacit sequoia]

its just germany itself

its not right after 6 years of no rework nor overhauls

its stuck in the waking of tiger ages, when hoi4 got optimizations n shit

[still forum]

well i dislike how as germany you can just declare on poland or benelux at 36

germany should have some debuffs early to fix and poland should start with french guarantee and non agression pact with germany and ussr

basically that's in rt56

but have no reason to not be in vanilla

[tacit sequoia]

well i hope they start it early for the european rework

probably announcements by may or june, dlc release by october november

had ideas for the sucessors of painter being the fat pilot, psychotic runic man, ratty propagandist, and i hope albert speer (so it gives a tno reference hehe)

or sorta like how italy has "mare nostrum" germany gets their own variant for post ww2 if they win

and i hope the tree size is a bit bigger than italy, but smaller than ussr, or similar sized

[still forum]

Italy tree is about ussr size

[still forum]

yes

they fixed it

[wide stirrup]

how tf do I raise fascist support for argentina?

there isnt any decision nor advisor for that

[tired copper]

You cant until later with a new facist dicator

[abstract blade]

are the new countries supposed to be so op in the mid-late game?

[still forum]

No

[marsh sparrow]

🗿

[carmine karma]

Going through their tree they get some national spirits for it, however you must be careful of what advisors you pick as getting the wrong ones will boost non-aligned too much

[burnt island]

i also wondered about this line. they have 'big stuff' planned outside of expansions. what could this mean

[long chasm]

Guys do you also think germany way too weak

I mean how tf is switzerland beating the entire german reich

And how does germany get destroyed by france

Not historically accurate!

[still forum]

No

It's too strong

[long chasm]

What

How💀

I can’t take over a single country without being taken over by france and UK

[still forum]

Germany was never close to what it is in hoi

[still forum]

Your fault

[long chasm]

In hoi it’s incredibly weak

[long chasm]

Can you?

Actually tbf i cant even take over finland with the ussr

Like whattt

So annoying when i dong have troops in an area and enemy just takes over land with no defense

[still forum]

It have multiple times stronger economy than it had irl

Which alone is most important thing at fighting wars in hoi

Germany was never able to do stuff it does in game like sea lions or straight eating ussr and then invade usa

Germany is overpowered and their enemies are underpowered compared to real life

[still forum]

Well that's your thing

But in game ai can capture without problem moscow leningrad stalingrad and baku

Not to mentoin france

Germany deserves to be nerfed rather than buffed

[wide stirrup]

Confirmed Japan rework???

Plsssss

[pastel onyx]

free dlc les gooo

[spare epoch]

they will be incorporated to the base edition of the game

basically the "starter edition" will be the base edition

smart move, good pr

[solid gyro]

Based Paradox

[keen chasm]

Yes

[solid gyro]

Not based

[still forum]

Hopefully they will make it for more dlcs

[solid gyro]

Infact Waking the Tiger and Together for Victory have very integral game mechanics

Idk why they didn't do this sooner

[spare epoch]

they say they do it , in order to plan the next dlc AROUND the fact people have those free dlcs now

[still forum]

Money

[spare epoch]

a director on reddit hinted germany and japan rework are next

so i assume giving waking the tiger for free

[still forum]

At some point hoi will be forced to be selled with all the dlcs

[spare epoch]

helps to code it better

[lethal pelican]

because the new dlc went horribly

[solid gyro]

Never

[solid gyro]

I doubt it's gonna be a big rework tbh, I expect Japan's tree to look the same just with "more" stuff

[spare epoch]

considering what they did to ussr and italy. i actually have my hopes up

[still forum]

After they stop making dlcs and interest of the game drops they will be forced to

[spare epoch]

i just hope they touch usa

[still forum]

I'm dissapointed they didnt

[solid gyro]

My issue is that Japan technically got a rework, and if they keep making reworks its just gonna set a precedent that every tree needs to be updated again and again

[spare epoch]

Usa has a very nice military tree, just ...anything else is so boring

[solid gyro]

Nah that's not the case look at their older games

For example ck2

[solid gyro]

Tbf it's not like America realistically would do anything else tbh

[spare epoch]

thats why waking the tiger probably got a free pass...so NOW they can do the actual rework

[spare epoch]

yeah but it is idiotic not giving america focuses about the MARKET

THEY WERE THE MARKET

[lethal pelican]

i want a canadian rework so many cool things you could do with it

[solid gyro]

Ck2 is free, but every dlc costs money

[solid gyro]

Exactly

[still forum]

Well paradox makes "gold editions" of many games for the lower price than initially game without dlcs

[shadow gyro]

America, Germany, and Japan need reworks

Nothing completely new

But a major update

[spare epoch]

yeah but i doubt america is on their scopes rn

[shadow gyro]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

Ehhhh, if it was gonna be a isn't rework it'd make more sense to not make it free to encourage more people to buy it

[shadow gyro]

Japan and Germany need it more

[spare epoch]

i think a few updated focuses about the new mechanics would be enough

[still forum]

Also uk france and dod nations as well as tfv and china

[shadow gyro]

It’s mostly the ahist us that needs a rework

[spare epoch]

like the god damn market...why do the scandanavian countries get market buffs while usa, the literal lend leash master

[solid gyro]

Eh, I'd say they just need to be fleshed put a bit more and be something on the levels of some of the new Minor trees

[spare epoch]

gets nothing

[solid gyro]

I'd rather see new trees than reworks of decent ones

[shadow gyro]

That’s kinda what I meant

[still forum]

Because it was made in scandinavia dlc

[solid gyro]

Germany just needs a commie tree tbh

[shadow gyro]

Like what they did to the Germany tree already

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[shadow gyro]

Add a BUNCH

[still forum]

What's worst thing

[solid gyro]

Germany didn't get a bunch tbh, they just got a new kinds integrated path

[still forum]

Is they made a lot focuses to get cheaper tanks on market etc

But ai basically never sells tanks

So it's useless

Similiar for planes

[shadow gyro]

Monarchist and democratic path nobody plays is a good bit

[still forum]

You can only buy guns and arty from market really

[solid gyro]

Yeye but it's not a bunch

[shadow gyro]

Like doubled the tree size

That’s what Germany and the us need

[solid gyro]

I forgot Germany didn't have separate military trees

[shadow gyro]

Japan needs the Italy treatment

[solid gyro]

Idk

[shadow gyro]

The tree rn kinda sucks imo

[solid gyro]

Japan is fine, there just need sto be more fun stuff o do for their paths

[still forum]

I'll be pissed off if they buff germany

And break the game

Germany will start winning wars

[shadow gyro]

Yeah but I feel like they can’t do much with the current Japan tree

[still forum]

Overhaul

[shadow gyro]

I think they need to start from scratch

Yeah exactly

[still forum]

Italy/ussr thing is needed

Or something like they did with poland

[solid gyro]

Not really, you coukd keep how the tree begins and maybe add little bit more, then add a BoP for army and navy, and do most of the reworking dor what comes after the initial focuses

Because it's fine otherwise

[shadow gyro]

Just do a new one of the South America type dlcs with reworked Japan tree and add stuff to the US and Germany

[solid gyro]

Germany Rework will come in a Europe DLC

[shadow gyro]

Yeah probably

[solid gyro]

Japan will probably get Reworked with South East Asia

[still forum]

No way thing as europe dlc will ever exist

[shadow gyro]

I’m just saying they have an option to get all 3 at once now

[solid gyro]

And USA will maybe get a rework either with a Middle-East dlc or a Andes DLC

[still forum]

They always rework 3 nations at once

[solid gyro]

Not re-work

Work

They do one rework and 2~3 new focus trees

[still forum]

Or just do

[shadow gyro]

I like a Middle East one, Afghanistan, Iran, stuff like that?

Rework the US tree

[solid gyro]

It's be Iraq, Iran, and Saudi

[still forum]

Afganistan is pain

But suadi arabia

[solid gyro]

With Afghanistan, Yemen, and Oman getting the Baltic treatment

[still forum]

Would be better

[shadow gyro]

I like that idea

[still forum]

No way

[shadow gyro]

What new features get added

[still forum]

Baltics got larger tree than usa

[shadow gyro]

In addition to the trees

[solid gyro]

Or Uruguay/Paraguay treatment tbh

[solid gyro]

They were small trees compared to the other nations, with everything shared except political trees

[still forum]

Baltics are larger than smaller half

[shadow gyro]

Something with fuel or something?

[solid gyro]

They're still small compared to many new focuses

Baltics are comparable to Uruaguay and Paraguay

[shadow gyro]

And again, we assume the US gets a rework

[still forum]

No way

[solid gyro]

Somewhat comparable

[still forum]

Baltics are like 2x larger

[shadow gyro]

So it’s a little less embarrassing

[solid gyro]

Yeah but they're still the rumts of the litter

[still forum]

Lithuania have larger tree than usa but no way uruguay does

[solid gyro]

Like compare the Baltics to the main nations of their DLC and the other DLC

[still forum]

It's full size tree

[solid gyro]

Not really

You can scrap the Communist and economic parts

And what you're left with are small unique politicsl trees

Lithuania only being big because of the commonwealth

[still forum]

Why would you scrap integral part of tree?

[solid gyro]

Because they're shared

[shadow gyro]

And plus, tell me paradox wouldn’t make some random nation the largest tree in the game for no reason

[solid gyro]

So Yemen, Oman, and Afghanistan would get smaller trees for the sake of being able to do something

[shadow gyro]

So again, what’s the new feature

[solid gyro]

Idk

I'm hoping reworked intervention

[shadow gyro]

You know what I like

[still forum]

Shared parts with each other but not the rest of nations

Unlike iceland and uruguay

[solid gyro]

Yeye, still shared so its 1 for 3

And tbh a middle east would have an entirely shared military tree with some unique crossovers

Unique focuses**

[still forum]

Thing is it was designed especially for them unlike nordic council which was created for the big nordics and shared toa military tree designed for brazil argentina and chile

[solid gyro]

Yeye

But I wouldn't count that when comparing the uniqueness of trees

As they're basically a single tree in themselves

[still forum]

.

[solid gyro]

So I would use it for comparing DLC but not necessarily the uniqueness of trees

Which is why I say Baltics have a small tree

But

I have hopes that South East Asia is next

[still forum]

Well

[solid gyro]

Then it's a tie imo between Middle East and Europe

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I think pacific rework is needed most

Including south east asia

But i hate navy stuff

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It'd be Thailand, Dutch East Indies, Malaya, Philippines, and China

India at a stretch

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Waking the Tiger had the japanese and german Reworks. Now they will be considered the "standard" versions. So there is room to sell another rework for these coutnries. Also a reddit comment of a director, hinted that Japan and Germany are next. I want to hope, that USA will get some love too, because they are one of the 3 major players and yet they havent gotten any attention the past years. If you rework Japan, it is appropriate to throw a bone to their main adversary. If you rework Germany, then USSR and Germany will have an advantage over USA by being much stronger.

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I mean

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China needs rework as much as japan

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I think it'll only be a Japan rework

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They're probably never getting one lol

As much as China is interesting people would value new trees over focus on China

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Well the state of china is so meh that people dont want to play it after 1 game

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I do

Besides it's kind hard to rework if Japan will invade within a year 50% of the time

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Most of content is meant to happen during war

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Ngl they may be doing a reverse waking the Tiger

Yeah

But also

You'd have to realize that the tree would need to understand China may not be at war so early

Buut

They r totally doing these dlcs for free so they can overhaul focus trees without having people buying a rework DLC twice

Devs may be doing a Reverse waking the tiger, finishing Europe and reworking Japan

Just talked to Arheo yesterday abt this, the Q&A was actually quite informative

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Precisely

Europe def. Needs to be full of trees

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It's more of a problem to czechoslovakia and austria that they rely on pre war content

Unlike china which is meant to happen during war

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I can imagine the next Trailer will be Austria focused

And be smth like, "The clock is ticking"

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Although it sucks the DLC I paid for is free, I’m not too pissed if it facilitates long awaited reworks

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They will do japan or germany next based on dev commenta

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Likely, every DLC has a poster child, the main country that is marketed

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Maybe they made it free so you'll have to pay for another one

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And if war never happens?

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And it "justifies" it

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AAT was Finland, ToA was Brazil, next one will be Austria

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It’s unfortunate I agree

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Yeye, reverse waking the Tiger, Germany and Europe gets trees and Japan a rework

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Then you are free to do whatever you want to

Like

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But I honestly got these DLC off cd keys for 2 bucks a pop

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Same thing if you wont get invaded as poland

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So like I said I’m not too broken up abt it lol

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Tru, but it seems Austria would be the best one for Europe

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100%

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It could not be locked out

But expected to be done during war

You could be unifying china

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Maybe

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Do military and economic tree

Play as communist

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Everyone hates on Austria for being anchlussed but they they would have a fun tree where Austria replaces Germany as the German super power

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China isn't getting a communist tree, that's what the CCP is for

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There’s plenty of options

At best it'll be like Chile and mixed on with the Demkcratic tree

Austria was rich with interesting political developments, foreign policy, etc

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Yeah that's what i meant

Although

Tbh

The main china also have some content for communist path when it comes to it

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Fascist China, democratic China path, and a permanent Kuomintang dictatorship should be it imo

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They have even unique leader

If you puppet real china and turn it red

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Commie China should have options for social democracy and a couple fleshed out flavors of communism

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Left KMT, Right KMT - Ultranationalist KMT/Collarbationists

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Sounds abt right

Should be two fascist oppprtunities tho

The Jingwei clique

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Yeye, left KMT makes China democratic and then it'll be a mini tree for a communist democracy

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I hope they will not add stupid flags for no reason to

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Yeye that's why I put the slash

And the more radica right chinese kumointang

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Like they did for alt democratic norway

No reason for it to change the flag

Especially the way it does

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Hmmm for non-jingwei fascist Dai Li could be ok

Also would be cool to give China a focus early on

To surrender all resources to Japan

And prevent a war so that China can build up

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Wdym

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Could be good, there could be levels to it, with increasing concessions eventually making the war not happenin but maybe reducing you to a puppet or smth

I could see stage 1 being maybe renouncing Manchukuo cores and claims

Stage 2 resources

Stage 3 smth else

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Alt democratic norway that prepares you for war changes the flag which is itself bad, but especially since it's same flag but under weird angle

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Irl Japan used pan-asianisn as a thin veil for imperialism, but there were actual pan-Asians in Japan who wanted reconciliation with China in exchange for chinese recognition of Manchukuo

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It'd be less about the claims and more about resources tbh

Or things of that nature

Like "Japanese Unequal treaties"

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I mean it could be both

Like I said I think levels of concessions could be interesting

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Ohhh, I think it's cool ngl

Each buys you more time but each also weakens you

Japan honestly should have the option to try and reconcile with China and form an actual East Asian bulwark

That would be cool

Shoukd get focuses like Germany's RK

To have their own warlords

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Yessir

Paradox hire us

We got the ideas

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Tbh i wish it couldnt be delayed much just like i think you shouldnt be able to avoid war as poland except puppet paths

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Ehh

I dunno

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