latest-updates

[solid gyro]

we need a dlc/update that adds new RL units and templates

it wasnt only divs that fought

[terse slate]

Probably with the alternate path of him going to Argentina

But some of them have similar paths. For example, both Venezuela and Colombia have the Simon Bolivar path which allows them to rebuild the Gran Colombia

And some others are just countries that separated from the main one, like uruguay from Argentine.

Im guessing Argentina will also get a special fascist path that’ll allow them to reclaim the Falklands from the brits

[tacit sequoia]

[terse slate]

And Venezuela also against the brits for the guyane

[tacit sequoia]

falklands argentinian, not british

[terse slate]

And then also mexico against the brits for belize

Bruh the Brits suck

[tacit sequoia]

tbh

imagine if mexico gets another rework

[tacit sequoia]

Mexico + Germany = Major Powers reworked

[terse slate]

Falkland Argentine not british, Belize México not british, Guyane Venezuela not british, Jamaica free not british

[tacit sequoia]

mexico, despite being underpowered, can become Latin America?

[terse slate]

Latin America? They already are part of latin america. Wdym?

[tacit sequoia]

like as a whole, they can revive spanish america

[terse slate]

No

Only spain can do that

[tacit sequoia]

yeah but what if the former spanish colonies want to do that?

[terse slate]

And reclaim america for their viceroyalties again as imperial spain

[terse slate]

No one wants that😂, the most european youre getting from Latin America. Is to revive their hispanic legacy, México can become the Mexican Empire again, Colombia can become Granada again and Brazil can become a republic

[tacit sequoia]

i might know a mod that'll interest ya (it reworks pratically all of the world)

not rt56, this way more expansive

(idk if im allowed to post but here it is...)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2716194283&searchtext=europe+in+flames

[white pebble]

Dad, come back to the family

[terse slate]

What

[visual willow]

Honestly most countries can share a lot of their trees, you only need 4 trees for the whole region

Wnd then have minor differences between most

[tacit sequoia]

Yeah we need a funny United Fruit Company lol

[opaque flare]

I'm 99% sure it's the US that's gonna get a rework, not Germany. Thematically US fits South America more, and it needs a refresh more than Germany.

[muted whale]

Just hope we get to restore the monarchy as Brazil

[opaque flare]

That would be very interesting in their interaction with Portugal.

I would also love to see "reunite a bunch of Spanish colonies, conquer Spain itself, and restore Spanish Empire with the new capital"

Stretch goals to take Philippines, LA, Florida and other righteous Spanish clay

[rain python]

Make Brazil a major nation 👉👈

[paper estuary]

That's quite far fetched

[visual willow]

assuming there is even gonna be a rework

[opaque flare]

the blog post mentioned that they want to revisit one of the majors, so something is coming, we just don't know what exactly

[visual willow]

"new face on something familiar" can mean actually anything

[opaque flare]

Oh, you're right! It may not be a major at all, it doesn't have to be a country. For all we know it can be a purely cosmetic change or something

It can be a literal face: like more historically accurate names and portraits of Japan's PMs instead of Hirohito 😂

[visual willow]

more stuff in the third most important front???? nahhhh let's update the actual irrelevant continent that is just a massively lesser USA!!!!

[still forum]

Yeah give it some touch

Brazil deserves something

The only place nothing happens on non historical

Also a lot of factions have south america as potential allies

It's also somehow unique in terms of politics

It have some potential

[crude geode]

I think redoing majors such usa, japan and germany with minor changes to the france. While doing bigger focus trees for Asia.

Its much more important than brazil

[paper estuary]

SOUTH AMERICA YEAHHHHH 🇦🇷🇧🇷🇨🇱🇧🇴🇨🇴🇵🇪🇻🇪🇵🇾🇺🇾🇪🇨🇬🇾🇸🇷 WTF IS STABILITY

[crude geode]

Whole south american continent was under imperialistic “control” because of the 1929-1933 economic crisis countries were either under communist parties rising either right wing autocracies rising and there were constant struggles for power.

So I wouldn’t like to have new update to focus there as there wont be any interesting abilities except to capture all south america as some small nation

Like even now I can do a 100% earth conquest as Paraguay

[still forum]

No because they dont exclude each other

All of them had already a rework

But need another one

Like by that logic there wouldnt even be dlcs and just endless rework of majors

[still forum]

Nah

They have a lot more potential than most of tiny minors which already got a tree

Idk what you mean with that one

You could join any conflict you want just like any other country

Get some cores

Make some faction

No worse than any country else

Like why is brazil boring to you but sweden is not

Why is mexico good but brazil bad

Why is new zealand good but brazil bad

Why is iceland good argentina bad

[paper estuary]

South-American countries in the 30s and 40s were dominated by populist regimes that were born of the social and economic upheaval caused by the opposition between the archaic agricultural society and the sporadically growing industrial society. The 1929 economic crisis just aggravated the situation (because of economic dependency) and boosted the new regimes into power. These authoritarian regimes usually pursued a conciliation between the frustrated agitated masses and the clashing elites as well as the modernization of their countries, all while attempting to push away the blatant interference by the major powers of the time (mainly the US) and to change their place in the world stage.
The game could definitely make use of this scenario.

[visual willow]

it excludes them qua time

now they work on arguably the most useless collection of countries ingame, instead of changing outdated trees to be more up to date

[terse slate]

DID ANYONE MENTION MEXICO??

🇲🇽🇲🇽 RWAAAAAH 🐍🦅🦅

[terse slate]

Bro knows his stuff. Im with you

[paper estuary]

Nosotros pendejos latinoamericanos conocemos nuestra historia

[terse slate]

VIVA LATINO AMERICA

What country you from bro?

[paper estuary]

Brasil

[terse slate]

Nice.

🇲🇽 ♥️ 🇧🇷

The big brothers of latin america

[paper estuary]

I was gonna add Argentina into the mix, but I can't be seen complimenting the hermanos

🤫

[quiet parcel]

hopefully South America finally gets something new

i would love to play as Peru and have actual focus trees

[still forum]

I disagree

I'm pretty much sure they have to do it sooner or later

The quicker they rework south america the faster they will have to make changes to the rest

As basically there will be nothing left

[visual willow]

bad wording on my part, i meant that it excludes them from being done sooner

which is absolutely the case

hopefully the second team they'll bring in will focus exclusivally on making the old stuff ok

[still forum]

There's too much to do rn let them finnish probably last focus trees we'll get from dlc

What do they have to rework?

Tfv dod germany france uk usa japan

And more

That's basically everything except nsb aat and bba

Although ethiopia from bba deserves to be looked at again cuz the tree is very poorly executed

That

Learn to read

[visual willow]

....everything?? so many old trees are just utter garbage

[full light]

Japan and UK as a priority!! But american completed reworked sounds nice to me

[still forum]

Just said that

[visual willow]

i might have commented before reading everything

[still forum]

Let them finnish everything and then fix the rest

[visual willow]

i'd rather not wait a potentional 2+ years before they finally get to things 10 times more important

if they're working on south america, they likely will work on south-east asia

middle east already was more relevant then SA

[still forum]

Meh i doubt it

Maybe as country pack

But not real dlc

That said yes they work veryyy slow

[visual willow]

that's still time they aren't workingon more important trees

[still forum]

Probably they would do something like they did with bop

Let the community do it for them

[still forum]

Middle east have the problem of being surrounded by a lot stronger countries while it would give less trees than south america

[visual willow]

less of a problem then being on an isolated rock

[still forum]

Almost none south america country is surrounded by stronger major that will attack you and have sea access

Allowing for much more flexibility

[visual willow]

i'd rather have an actual front against some countries then basically require to ship my troops over

[still forum]

Well you could join any faction and sail to their front

[full light]

Next expansion “Malvinas/Fakland War” rework for Argentina and UK (design Harriers and Pukaras, exocets…. ). Just a joke, don’t beat me 😅

[still forum]

I dont see that as a problem

While middle east couldnt really

No sea access

[terse slate]

LETSGOOOO LATIN AMERICA ON THE RISE

[still forum]

Hostile stronger neighbours

[terse slate]

DOWN WITH THESE COLONIZING DOGS

💪

[visual willow]

literally only afghanistan doesn't have access to the sea

[terse slate]

Bolviia doesnt either

[visual willow]

SA would only do things to other SA nations and then take 1, maybe 2 islands if they are lucky

[terse slate]

We all make fun of them

🇧🇴

no water?

[visual willow]

then they basically get to ship their stuff over and never look back in sa again except to build

SA is simply too far away from the actual content and putting content in there only isolates it

[still forum]

I think it's a little bit more limited

Only iran have a real one

Iraq have very small

[terse slate]

Latin America deserves love

[still forum]

And those would be controlled by british fleet

[visual willow]

they really don't, not compared to the many countries that need new content

[terse slate]

Shutup I dont like you again

[visual willow]

like hungary, romania, germany

[terse slate]

Latin America on top

[visual willow]

oh boy i can't wait to just not interact with that region at all except laugh at the events on non-historical games

[still forum]

Please use better arguments

[still forum]

Middle east?

[terse slate]

this isnt a presidential debate i dont need arguments im just throwing my opinions. Im inclined to prefer my continent thats natural whats the problem

[still forum]

Brazil have a real potential

To change tides of the war

[full light]

An Argentina joining the axis and Brazil doing the same with the allies could be funny

[visual willow]

raj and soviets border it alongside the suez

[full light]

A complete new theater

[visual willow]

that's much more important then the actual unimportance SA posseses

[terse slate]

Then why is it called WORLD war if it's more like "european war number 14,769"

[still forum]

But that's not getting you anywhere

[terse slate]

These europeans always startin shit

[still forum]

That's childish like

[terse slate]

Im going places

[visual willow]

yeah, daycare

[terse slate]

It's discord, deal w it

[visual willow]

colonies, mostly

[still forum]

I'm currently dealing with your arrogance and childish acts

[visual willow]

and euro centrism in that time was like, a real thing

[terse slate]

you'll live.

[terse slate]

kinda the whole racism thing is about eurocentrism

[still forum]

So you say we should get nothing but europe?

[visual willow]

did you even see the reply

[still forum]

I dont see why would iran get a tree and brazil would not

[visual willow]

cause they are in a much more relevant spot

[still forum]

Brazil added more to war effort

Was richer

More populated

Have more impact

Iran lasted 10 days?

Something like that

[visual willow]

ok? but are their political ideas more relevant

cause that is what a tree is

not "oh but they did shit!!" "oh they where rich!!!" that is completely irrelevant

[still forum]

So what is more revelant

[visual willow]

all a tree matters for is how it can shape the war, and iran having different ideas means a lot more then brazil shipping their troops to another side

as iran means an actual front

[still forum]

It's like you could say it about usa

It have no front

So no tree for usa

The thing is

[full light]

Brazil for non historic would be pretty interesting

[still forum]

They can open a new one

[visual willow]

if the US didn't have a massive navy and massive industrial might then yeah i'd say the US also would not need a tree

but the US is actually relevant

brazil, comparatively, is not

[still forum]

More than iran

Usa was worried about potential brazil joining axis

So there was something about it

Also there's another thing

Brazil is popular choice for new players to learn game

Middle east is not

[visual willow]

so this is iran, as you can see, they are in a spot that can cause trouble at the least by being nearly next to the suez, able to hit USSR's belly which can trouble them, and hit the raj together with japan

this is brazil, they can take some alluminium off of the dutch

i agree, brazil should 100% get a tree cause that dutch alluminium is much more important then 3 hugely important fronts

[still forum]

There's another thing

State of iran made it fall in 10 days

[visual willow]

i don't see how historical events matter

ingame relevancy and potentional is all that matters

[still forum]

This means

That iran would rather defend itself

And not attack

[visual willow]

if we care only about what happened historically the game should be a documentory where germany is forced to loose every single game

[full light]

I think you are not to going to achieve an agreement, you know right?

[still forum]

And would get china level of debuffs

[visual willow]

would still take more troops off of the allies then brazil would

[still forum]

Brazil would force allies to split up their fleet

Which is important in war with japan

[visual willow]

yeah like 5 ships cause brazil has no fleet

[visual willow]

okokok, 12

[still forum]

It does have fleet and you could have potential to make it a lot stronger as you have time

You could also unite whole south america and challenge usa

And by this point being one of strongest nations

[visual willow]

any compotent USA would withdraw your guarentee and jump on you whilst you try

[still forum]

That's not something ai do

And if we are about multiplayer

[visual willow]

if we're talking AI then any kind of strats don't matter

you'll just win cause AI is so utterly flawed

[still forum]

Enemy could hunt middle east before you can fix 849493 debuffs

[visual willow]

like this for example

who cares about that if you're against AI lol

[still forum]

Well if we count that then germany is useless

You can take it down on rhineland

[visual willow]

unless you can freely justify as soviets, iran won't be invaded in 36

[still forum]

Unless you freely take off guarantee from brazil, it would be free to do whatever it want in south america

[visual willow]

i'm assuming basic rules, and i sure as hell know there won't be a rule that makes you not able to withdraw guarentees as the US

[still forum]

There's also another thing

It could bring war to south america

Like brazil joins allies

Argentina joins axis

[visual willow]

oh no! anyways

[still forum]

So it clearly could open another front

[visual willow]

axis won't dedicate troops to SA unless they already got either africa or the UK itself

otherwise they wouldn't even be able to ship troops

[still forum]

Argentina could hunt down falklands

Japan would really like to send divs there

And from there threaten central america and then mexico and usa

Which would force allies to react

[full light]

Could be interesting for Japan to bomb/occupy Panama. I think they had plans to bomb it. Also the oil from Venezuela may add some salt and pepper to this scenario

[still forum]

yeah

[opaque flare]

their cruiser submarine program was partially motivated by Panama canal. One of the proposal was to have an aircraft-carrying long-distance sub to approach the canal and let the planes out to bomb the locks and prevent US from swinging naval forces between oceans quickly.

[paper estuary]

The fact that Brazil took part is very relevant; players could expand on that by investing lots on industry and military and then end up going berserk on Africa or Europe, maybe even the Pacific, contributing the most to the war or something like that...
But yeah, I'd say SA is more of an alt-history region.

[visual willow]

The fact that Brazil took part is very relevant
best part is that it really is not. Participation means absolutely nothing when most of the paths should be althist

the things that happened during participation can be relevant, but the single fact of "country X participated" is not

[paper estuary]

Maybe the devs should focus on something like that
I mean, make SA a lot more important for the US; no wonder they did all they could to keep Latin America on a yoke. If more resources were added into SA and the US was made more dependent on interfering in and controlling the region, the nations in SA might have a bigger impact in the world war by possibly crippling the US's ability to get involved in either the Pacific or in the Western front.

[visual willow]

so first rework a lot of other parts of the game, then look if SA is relevant to have trees for? yeah

[paper estuary]

Meh, I am very happy that the devs will apparently spend some time this year developing SA.
Even more so if they have a second team dedicated to going back to old stuff in order to improve, but if that wasn't the case, I'd be fine.
It's not like Japan or US are unplayable anyway.

New region
New trees
Very likely new mechanics
I'm all for it

[radiant sparrow]

please tell me the name of the game

[visual willow]

hearts of iron 4

[opaque flare]

Not necessarily.

HoI4 is both a ww2 game and a game set during ww2 period, and the team tries to balance adding content to countries and regions that historically took part in the war with other parts of the world, that didn't IRL, but could.

Same with all the alt history stuff for majors and minors. Greece couldn't become a Byzantium in 1940s, but Paradox players expect the game to give them the option, just as they expect India to have a bonus to nukes, because yada-yada-old-Civ-bug-meme. That's how we got a Mexico tree before we got a tree for Ethiopia or even Finland.

Keeping some important ww2 participating countries undeveloped - Iran, Finland, Bulgaria, Baltics, Indonesia, etc. - and adding content for them every few years has been a staple of this game. We got Bulgaria a few years ago, we got Finland recently, one day we will get Iran, Siam, Indonesia, maybe Syria. And we are getting things like Switzerland, Sweden, Mexico, Turkey, Portugal, and other non-participating countries along the way, too.

It would be ridiculous to have custom content for Peru and Columbia before, say, Manchukuo or Hungary, but getting South American content after the game has been out for almost a decade? It's totally fine.

[still forum]

Brazil have every reason to get some tree

It's not like turkey and mexico are so much more important

And then there's aussa iceland baltics

[opaque flare]

Yeah, my point is that they mix important and unimportant countries all the time.

[visual willow]

i'd def say turkey is more important for, again, it's position

mexico is basically all of SA combined into a single state and double as important, but that could also not neccesary have a tree

[visual willow]

but now the mix misses the important countries

[opaque flare]

Yes, and it was always the case. They did majors, most minors, and now they trickle the rest, a couple of countries a year on average.

[visual willow]

except many old trees are just barely servicable and definitely need a rework

[opaque flare]

Yeah-yeah. EU4 is a much older game. It was in a similar boat, and they started revisiting countries more actively only recently. They were worried that a facelift DLC wouldn't sell well, and the community would be upset that some old DLCs would become obsolete as a result.

Stellaris made revisiting of the old content possible only after they spawned up a secondary team. HoI4 now tries to replicate this process with "operations", so the chances of refreshes are now higher than they used to be several years ago.

[visual willow]

higher but apparently it's still not important enough to be mentioned directly

[paper estuary]

Bruh, you just making arguments up by now lol
Mexico is not twice as "important" (whatever that means) as the entirety of South America... What's the reasoning, huh, cuz Mexico borders the US?

[visual willow]

pretty much

all of SA act... kind of identical

[paper estuary]

Well obvisouly, there is no content
Up until half a year ago Denmark acted "kind of identical" to Albania

[visual willow]

even if they had content they'll all be the same

[opaque flare]

Good point! We want an Albania content with focuses to make Zog OP

[visual willow]

my entire problem is that even if you bomb content into SA, i'd be less impactfull then an actual hungary tree

[paper estuary]

Typical global north mindset
North America and Europe are the center of the stage and the further you get from there, the less and less important it gets, up to a point "nothing can change that"
So no amount of passion and effort can make SA interesting gameplay-wise

[visual willow]

i'm sorry that in the world war game i'm focused on the fronts of the war

and unless they rebalance the entire game to have SA have stuff you care about, it's just not a worthwhile region

and yes ik what will be said, "but it'll be a new front if they get trees!!!"
yeah, one you still don't care about nearly as much as the other main 4

esp not because you can also easily deny any expansion there as the US

unless it comes with a full on monroe rework

[paper estuary]

Yeaaaaahhh fully support that

The more fun that can be added, the better

[visual willow]

and i'd love it if the fun was smackdown in the most active place in the game

[still forum]

not reallyy

they differ so much lol

brazil argentina and venezuela are all incomparable

nordics are much more alike

[visual willow]

They're both really comparable

[still forum]

[visual willow]

Nordics atleast has 2 countries that really needed content

[still forum]

brazil is the country that needs a content as well

biggest strongest minor without a tree

[long ruin]

nah Thailand is def the last real country left

Philliphines/Dutch East Indies also are there but issue is they are island nations which require a lot of production for naval combat which isn't realistic

[rain python]

Iran, enjoying an actual fight in ww2:

[atomic loom]

first a south east asia update

we def need some content for SA

[silent panther]

How to solve this problem? If you click on the soldiers, they have to say something, but they don't say anything to me. I have all the sounds turned on.

[still forum]

It's from dlcs

[silent panther]

And which one? Send the link

[still forum]

Together for victory mainly

But there's more

Death or dishonour as well

And some more for the rest like bba for ethiopia

[silent panther]

there is already one) (Expansion - Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor)

[visual willow]

I think every pack only contains the voices of the country they belong on

[silent panther]

Are there voices for the German army in this supplement? Expansion - Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory @still forum

[still forum]

Yes

Fun fact

Poland is the only one that have voice actor without dlc

[terse slate]

Wdym voice actors

Does hoi4 even have voices? Apart from like the soldiers when u select them

[still forum]

This one

[terse slate]

Ah 😂

[cloud dock]

The Lithuanian voice actor has some grudge with the world or something

Bro is angry at the universe

[kindred beacon]

He's Eastern European so probably

[solid gyro]

Does anyone know if the Devs are planning to add a way to add backround/ non-XP commands back to HOI4?

[still forum]

how about estonian

lol

[solid gyro]

stop yapping lil bro

[still coral]

NONONONNONOONONONONONONONONONONONON

[solid gyro]

They New Teaser suggest Indonesia DLC

https://fxtwitter.com/HOI_Game/status/1747982178200502618?t=SMAm75ncTBE1_euFYekvuA&s=19

Someone else said Brazil and that's also a Maybe

[wispy whale]

that looks like South America to me

[dapper fjord]

i thought it was on random island on the pacific :'v.. well prob South American..

[solid gyro]

Ecuador Focus Confirmed

Hoping it’s Japan and South America

Unlikely

The dev diary mentioned revisiting something old, so it could be both

Japan'll probably come with an Asian pack

Oh they added a dev Diary?

Can you link it

It’s the older one for end of year report

https://pdxint.at/3TrhtDY

Take a look at the final line

[wispy whale]

I mean I hope it is asia because that is honestly more important for ww2 but I think it's gonna be South America

[solid gyro]

Peru Ecuador war

It’s definitely gonna be South America, you can see the South American border in the date at the end of the vid

Or part of the border

I think ideally we’d get Japan and South America, that would be awesome

[dapper fjord]

ah yea.. because they type "untouched continent"..

[terse slate]

where

[terse slate]

Its 99% sure it will be South America

[solid gyro]

bruh

[terse slate]

What

[solid gyro]

IF and its A BIG IF they will add stuff to SA

[terse slate]

They will

They said it

lol

[solid gyro]

id like to see a update which reworks the template div designer with new RL units and templates

@terse slate

[terse slate]

Whatsup

?

[solid gyro]

read above

[burnt shell]

i would really like a greater german reich descision rework beacuse they did proclaim a greater german reich in 1943 and they didnt control leningrad stalingrad and moscow

[solid gyro]

@terse slate

read that and tell me whadya think

[golden mist]

I going to put this here, I think that is stupid that we are going to most likely get SA stuff before Austria. Austria cant ever have a decision to go true monarchist and have Otto von Hasburg on the throne and truly reform the Austro-Hungarian Empire or Austrian Empire. It surrounded by nations with focus trees. (tho some are really bad) . It gets affected by other nations like Germany, Hungary, Switzerland, and Italy. But this would be fine if Hungary didnt have the Austria-Hungary reform path. I hope soon Austria gets a focus tree, as I believe that they are the last important nation Europe that needs a focus tree. Sorry for the block of text

[burnt shell]

also belgium dosent have focustree (dont forget about tiny luxembourg lol)

[golden mist]

True I think at least a dlc for Ireland, Belgium, Austria, and Luxembourg would be good to finish off europe

[burnt shell]

if ireland got a fascist path to ally with germany that would be op since that would be a very good staging ground for a sea lion

[golden mist]

oh it would be, I think most of Ireland's focus tree would be built around taking northern Ireland and beating up england

but would be cool to see for non-aligned a celtic union type path

[burnt shell]

but its actually crazy to think that ICELAND or ETHIOPIA get a focus tree before these small european countries

[golden mist]

Nah i think its shocking that the sami, a nation you have to release has flavour before Austria or Belgium. I dont think they get a focus tree but I know they have custom leaders and generals and stuff like that

[burnt shell]

yeah thats crazy

[fathom laurel]

Unless its WTT pt 2, we are getting a south american dlc

[solid gyro]

Not actually confirmed but if there is content for South America Peru and Ecuador are guarenteed to get something

[terse slate]

it kinda was confirmed tho lol

[solid gyro]

Cause they fought the only war in South America

[terse slate]

They said in a tweet they're working on an "untouched continent"

Thats all they said

And the only untouched continent is??? South America

So kinda was confirmed yea

[solid gyro]

Yeye, someone else explained that the Snake emerging from the smoke was a reference to the Brazilian Expeditionary force

[terse slate]

Ahh yeah makes sense, plus there's the Amazonas in Brazil and other countries of america

So everything jungle-ish is almost 100% there

Might be cool to see like the incan empire rebirth or gran colombia

[fathom laurel]

I hope we get the Liberian focus tree 🙏

[solid gyro]

Cursed focus tree where someone brings back the Spanish Monarchy

Re-conquers South America

[solid gyro]

While teaser was Fakeout, all Dev team esources are sent to make a Liberia tree

Ngl

Argentina and Brazil are gaurenteed a Focus

Chile, Venezuela, Columbia and Peru are likely

Ecuador and Uruguay will get some content

Bolivia and Paraguay will likely get very little

Ok I'm stupid lol

It shows a literal map of South America

[burnt shell]

i hope we get the hondouras focus tree

[full light]

Guatemala will finally recover Belice!

[terse slate]

no

Guatemala is a rebel state of mexico

Join México

[full light]

Jajaja ok, ok, whatever…

[dim turret]

clearly its a poland update

[raven ocean]

I hope after this we get a Germany and Japanese rework

And a focus tree for Austria would be cool too

Honestly the Pacific war is the most boring part of this game

[hasty tiger]

aw, was hoping we'll get an update for asia, southeast asia in particular. guess it's time to play south america only to send expeditionary forces back to fight in europe only.

[latent gyro]

will we be geting middle eastern focuses, i really want to do a restoring the caliphate as arabia but they hve no custom ocus tree

[spark garden]

Uh it's an non-interesting continent over all

It was all colonized by Europe

[solid gyro]

Poland tree too small, add more wacky oaths

[crimson violet]

bro there won't be an update for just siam

[polar jasper]

What about Indonesia, Malaya, and possible reworks for Commonwealth and Japan

[crimson violet]

no

they aren't even existent

real nation like albania

should be updated

[solid gyro]

Idk Iraq and Iran would have decent opportunities for trees

Yemen maybe since they had stuff going on

[polar jasper]

Mid East could use somet

[crimson violet]

mid east yea

[polar jasper]

They actually were involved

[crimson violet]

iraqi nazis were a serious thing

[solid gyro]

Siam, Mongolia, Dutch East Indies, Mengukuo

[crimson violet]

that is just east asia

[polar jasper]

I just really want a Japan rework so a SE Asia DLC would be best for that

[solid gyro]

Yeah but it's likely the next DLC if they do one

[crimson violet]

worst nation ever

except mongolia

[polar jasper]

Thailand did the funnies

Ambassador refused to declare war on the US and proceeded to be part of the resistance movement

[crimson violet]

what about a minors update

everything updated

[polar jasper]

Belgium, Austria, Lux, and Albania could be 1 package

[crimson violet]

impossible

[crimson violet]

can be

[polar jasper]

Adjust default focus tree lol

[crimson violet]

that is suck

[polar jasper]

More than just 1x 100% boost for industry

Either way, South America DLC this time

[hasty tiger]

sounds kinda ignorant ngl. there's more than just Siam. Southeast asia was a whole theatre of its own.

[polar jasper]

So see you in Brazil

[crimson violet]

yea full of unrealeased nations

[polar jasper]

Yo

[crimson violet]

release them first

oh wait

[polar jasper]

Did you know the Commonwealth are puppets

So therefore according to you

Is just the UK

Canada doesn't exist apparently

So why did they give Canada a focus tree if it is just a puppet

[crimson violet]

They exist

[polar jasper]

(They actually made it a Puppet in TfV but my point stands)

[hasty tiger]

??? release them? the fight for independence AND the invading forces of Japan and Siam is part of why it's such an important theatre of WW2.

[polar jasper]

Think of the alt hist

[crimson violet]

i hate alt hist

ok this is nosense

[polar jasper]

Baltics literally just died irl but their focus trees are decent

[crimson violet]

ii just wrote nosense

[hasty tiger]

you don't even know your real history, don't start on alt haha

[polar jasper]

The Raj can have the Indians that sided with Japan pop out of them

Forgot their name

[crimson violet]

Being honest, if anything is updated at all and it's good then it's a win

[polar jasper]

Fair enough

[crimson violet]

in any case

Let's see how this sa dlc will be

[polar jasper]

What game feature will they be adding

[crimson violet]

Yea right?

[polar jasper]

We have designers for everything, an arms market

[crimson violet]

The last ones were pretty cool

[polar jasper]

Industry revamp?

[crimson violet]

Hmm

Maybe

they slightly changed how consumer goods works so maybe they want to make more changes there?

[polar jasper]

Idk, hoi4 is a war game first, economy secondary

Resources?

[crimson violet]

hoi4 war is hard to revamp even more

[polar jasper]

Navy rework 2: electric boogaloo?

[crimson violet]

Navy now is just for the navy nerds

and sa is kind of isolated continent

[solid gyro]

Death war in the Amazon

[opaque flare]

I just wish there was a toggle to disable manual orders. Battleplan only

[crimson violet]

tanks 40 w in amazon

[solid gyro]

They said they were going to stop adding features

After BBA they were basically not going to add anything Major so I was surprised to see International Markets in AAT

I think they may try to give every South American Nation a focus instead of a whole new system

[opaque flare]

Nah, they fixed bunch of bugs in the past ~2 years and now navy is much easier and more forgiving. You can do whatever and have fun

[crimson violet]

what was going on there in sa? other than being boring and vuvuzuela having a hat guy

[crimson violet]

i'm still not going to update through research my navy

[solid gyro]

Kinda? There was some American intervention and legitimate fears that one South American Nation may side with the Axis

I remember Bolivia had alot of Nazi propaganda

[crimson violet]

yea kinda

[solid gyro]

Also there was a legitimate fear that Ecuador might be used to bomb the Panama canal

As Ecaudor was buying Italian equipment for some time and had relations with Italy

Which the US tried to overturn after the 1941 war but shipping a bunch of Equipment from Ecuador

And Leasing the Galapagos in turn for Tanks

[crimson violet]

hmm

is panama considered as south america?

even though it's more central

[solid gyro]

No

It's considered Central

Though I feel like if they add anything Major it'll either be an Expanded Monroe Doctrine

Or an "Intervention" System

Where Majors can step into wars with Minors to protect their interests

[hollow idol]

Latin america before ireland

[fathom laurel]

Latin america before Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland, Austria, and Liberia

[solid gyro]

More potential and Participation

[slim veldt]

What is the new dlc about

[wise sky]

Just as intended 🗣️🔥

[paper estuary]

and Uruguay is Brazil

Time to right this wrong

[paper estuary]

South America lobby comes out victorious

Viva Latino America

[solid gyro]

Ngl the Dev team should take inspiration from En Union y Libertad

That Mod does South America really nicely

[plain pagoda]

nerf japan in civil wars

[sly orchid]

Tbh, I think those country’s should have there own DLC all together, but it should come with a complete German rework to

[rotund edge]

EAI, what does this mean?

[solid gyro]

I hope this might include Central America aswell tbf

[rotund edge]

how can i know if some mods ar incompatible ?

[solid gyro]

It will tell you with a big red triangle

[quasi harbor]

I saw a ship so as someone who likes navy i hope they redo naval again XD

[rotund edge]

ok

[fading heath]

I would say, that ship could be just reference for sinking of germany cruiser near Urugway which means South America DLC, my first guess. 😄

[quasi harbor]

That still doesn't exclude them finally making naval make sense

Instead of just stacking all ships in one fleet and throw the dice

[keen chasm]

It looks likek north south america

So Gran Colombia, Brazil, USA rework, Argentina and Cuba...?

Actually Argentina will probably be part of another dlc with Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay

[elder brook]

bro they wouldn't make 2 separate south america dlc's

lmao

they do the whole continent at once

[terse slate]

yeah i think theyll just do the entire continent at once

its not many countries and half of them did the exact same things over and over

lul

[terse slate]

probably does

[elder brook]

they will prob make the smol ones including central america have similar focus trees

like the baltics or chinese warlords

[terse slate]

why the frick would usa be included

bro hears latin america and says canada

[terse slate]

nah i think it'll be included into south america, because theyre just mexican rebel states their whole purpose in life is to get integrated into mexico

[elder brook]

so true

cmon bro it would make the continent fun to play

[terse slate]

in that case they should've just cut the whole map and just add europe and asia

[elder brook]

it's cool, probably not too much work for the devs either

[terse slate]

u talk about countries that did nothing in ww2 but then talk about countries who ceased to exist by 1940 LMAO

[elder brook]

they have multiple teams working on different stuff so hopefully they are working on it

[elder brook]

this ^^ xD

[terse slate]

didn't even put up a fight

getting annexed in a single day isn't a fight

ya i responded to that msg

Mexico did more for austria than any europeans, at least mexico denounced germany for it lol

so does latin america

Aztec Empire, Incan Empire, viceroyalties of the spanish empire, fought independance and got "released" for 200 years now.

Bro got his historical knowledge from tiktok

[elder brook]

I mean he right

in terms of modern history that is what happened

[terse slate]

shutup betnix

[terse slate]

in terms of modern history everything can be oversimplified to an extreme

[elder brook]

😥

PREACH

oh my god PLEASE

[terse slate]

europe just killed themselves for milleniums until they got scared of nukes and decided to stop

[elder brook]

true

actually

no not entirely true

[terse slate]

Youre right

[elder brook]

they are still going

or... one of them

[terse slate]

we-

we dont talk about those

...

[elder brook]

the country that starts with an R

and ends with ussia

[terse slate]

AN UKRANIAN

GRAMMAR PLS

[elder brook]

AEUUUGH

[terse slate]

you dont say "a apple"

you say "an apple"

smh

[elder brook]

he meant "an"

instead of "a"

what if I said I was "an swedish person"

that would be silly

[terse slate]

yeah but the indefinite article "a" goes to "an" when the next word starts with a vowel

[keen chasm]

dude

it's not latin america

[terse slate]

hi

[terse slate]

and what did i say

[keen chasm]

it's more like northern south america/caribbean

so it makes sense to the US to get some stuff

[terse slate]

no it literally doesnt

might've as well get included in the dlc bro, i mean, south america, central america and caribbean are like such little work for the devs

idk

but it would be kinda useless to make them into a whole different dlc atp

[keen chasm]

That's why i said it will be only northern south america/caribbean

[keen chasm]

why not?

most countries there only joined the war because of the US

and there's the monroe doctrine

[elder brook]

garbage take

[terse slate]

because usa is trash

[keen chasm]

i would say Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, USA and Cuba

[terse slate]

they already got protagonism even tho they literally joined 'til last minute. the dlc is for south america. Why would usa be included? Might just get a small rework to fit better the monroe doctrine in a future update but be included in dlc? nuh uh

[keen chasm]

Iceland and Aussa got some stuff so maybe Cuba will get some flavor

or a common caribbean tree

[terse slate]

i mean its 3 lil countries, might as well just get included into south america to finish those and get them out quick yk

bro half of the world got colonized by european majors like france, uk and spain

☠️

bad thing about updates, is that mods take like 3 months to update :((

i dont rlly play mods tbh

just the fps one that improves UI quality and colours, but nothing major

Which ones you recommend?

[jaunty yacht]

They did mention the continent was too big for one expansion back in By Blood Alone

[terse slate]

gotcha

[keen chasm]

yeah

[terse slate]

oh jeez

D;

And here was I thinking they'd add all south america, central america and caribbean in 1 dlc

lol

[paper estuary]

Raising USS Maine from the depths and then blowing it up again

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah there was a comment from one of the devs (I'm not going to be looking among all the DD to find it) where he said that there were plans for next DLC's focusing on: Scandinavia (AAT), The Middle East (Probably the next DLC) and South America and probably 2 DLC's since the continent was too big

Also they mentioned some high employee of Paradox was spamming them with ideas for a Brazilian DLC

Probably also why Vic 3 has already a Brazilian DLC

[terse slate]

havent played any other game apart from hoi4 from paradox

should i start with eu4 or victoria 3?

[jaunty yacht]

Both are good

I had an easier time starting with Vic 3, but in the end it comes to Empire simulator or Economy simulator

[terse slate]

which being which

[jaunty yacht]

If you don't want to buy a lot of DLC just to understand the tutorials i say Vic, but if you want to go deep into fighting the world EU

[jaunty yacht]

Economy VIc, Empire EU

The great thing about EU for a Mexican is that you can play as the Aztecs and Colonize Spain
The great thing about Vic is that you can beat the living hell out of Texas

[terse slate]

bro knew how to convince me

im getting both

[jaunty yacht]

They are worth it, vastly different than HOI but still very good games

The only thing that you will miss a lot is wars, they don't have the same depth or intuitivity as HOI

[elder brook]

no hecking way they don't do everything in 1 dlc

that would be insane

they could just do low effort shit for central america

but again this is paradox

so it's not impossible

[jaunty yacht]

I don't think CA is even getting a focus tree, but I think Cuba might since they were part of the war and had a bit of fighting against German submarines that were carrying spies against the Latin American nations

Though if they do add CA it's going to be Chinese Warlords all over again

[elder brook]

yeah thats what im saying

no one would be mad if they did that

and it would be little to no work

[jaunty yacht]

No, not even them

[elder brook]

I just don't get it man

how come a single mod creator could revamp the game and make bigger updates then the hoi4 devs

same thing for basically every other game

[terse slate]

entire central america focus tree should just be 1 focus which is 35 days and says "get annexed to mexico and apologize for independence"

[elder brook]

shut up

[terse slate]

thats not nice betnix

[elder brook]

I am fully aware, Alfredo.

[terse slate]

gå och sova

[amber barn]

Imagine if the rework is for USA instead of Germany or Japan 💀

[jaunty yacht]

Sometimes it's unbalanced like En "Union y Libertad" where Peru is as strong as the USA by 1945, or it ends up being slightly bland like Rt56 Brazilian focus tree

[terse slate]

its already midnight

[terse slate]

usa dont deserve nun

[amber barn]

SA didn't deserved the dlc this time and still got it, so i wouldn't even be surprised tbh

Lmao

[terse slate]

shutup

about time they gave latinos some love

[amber barn]

Why?

[jaunty yacht]

Japan will probably come with a SEA DLC, the only nation from LA they got involved with was Mexico

[terse slate]

u damn united states colony

😤

[elder brook]

um it's ackshually "gå och sov"

which means "go and sleep"

[amber barn]

Yea

[elder brook]

🤓

[terse slate]

oh my gosh shut the hell up i was tryna be nice and say it in ur language

[amber barn]

Sad

[terse slate]

D:

[amber barn]

Japan needed some love 😔

[terse slate]

i think 2 nukes is enough love

[amber barn]

And also South East Asia

[elder brook]

it was gramatically incorrect :33333

[terse slate]

ur face is gramatically incorrect

[elder brook]

WOAH

MODS???

[jaunty yacht]

Though Germany could very well come with an Argentinan-Chilean DLC, focusing on political involvement beyond spies, or a spy flavour update

[elder brook]

that would be based

[amber barn]

I do like the spy idea ngl

[jaunty yacht]

Germany got involved a lot with Argentina and Chile mainly, but Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, were also victims of propaganda, recruitment and political campaigns from the 3rd Reich

[terse slate]

latin america as a whole is victim of usa imperialism

[jaunty yacht]

More than even the USA

[amber barn]

I was hopeful that the next DLC would be in the Middle East or South East Asia lmao

[terse slate]

nuh uh

[jaunty yacht]

.

[jaunty yacht]

The message below that one

For some reason I can't reply to myself though

[amber barn]

About the continent being big enough?

[jaunty yacht]

About the comment for the next 3 big expansions on a BBA dev diary

[amber barn]

I don't remember about them

[jaunty yacht]

It was in the comments

[amber barn]

Damn

[jaunty yacht]

The devs reveal a lot of info in the comments since they know no one reads them

[amber barn]

Lmaooo

They were right

[amber barn]

Interesting

[jaunty yacht]

SEA might be the final DLC, finishing the Pacific Campaign, and giving love to Japan, though I don't discard the idea that they might want to release DLC's revisiting old content or untouched nations such as Ireland or Mongolia just like EU4 does instead of releasing EU5

[amber barn]

Probably this

Im almost sure that after a last DLC, they will do some reworks to older trees or small nations probably

[jaunty yacht]

DoD nations and China especially need some renewed love, even the commonwealth nations have aged better than those 2

[amber barn]

Indeed

China really, really need some love 💀

[jaunty yacht]

It's a mayor nation and Aussa has a better focus tree than them

[amber barn]

Facts

Common Aussa W

[jaunty yacht]

Though the nation I desperately want to see is Egypt, they had a big role and an even bigger alt history potential, since the king was more sided with the facists than the allies, if the Brits keep control of Egypt they can force it to fight and if Mussolini manages to take it, then it will join the Axis, and I think this mechanics have been already touched slightly with Finland by events where they can exit the war without the need of the full faction falling

[sly schooner]

south america

[still forum]

There's fundamental problem

Egypt declared neutrality

But war happened on it territory

[hardy pond]

I really want to have more features for democratic nations

Now it's like almost the weakest unless you are faction leader

[jaunty yacht]

Demilitarize Egypt preventing them from deploying troops, with alt history paths allow players to fight as Egypt for the Allies or sabotage the Allies in order to allow the Axis to win, if Egypt doesn't fall make a decision for Britain and the USA to force them to battle, if Egypt falls, it doesn't capitulate, it quits the war and joins the Axis now without the events that cause them to switch sides

It's not fully historical, but let's be honest when is HOI4 fully historical?

[hardy pond]

Probably never

[rich tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-santa-claus-papa-noel-twerk-twerking-gif-7219802

[rotund edge]

is it possible to use mods from 1.12 in the 1.13?

[graceful pendant]

ruh roh

i think its gonna be a south american update because of the jungle

nothing happens there

EVER

[wind charm]

its brazil

[low grove]

yeah it is 99% brazil

[wind charm]

101%

[low grove]

you can see the map at the end letters

[wind charm]

yes

[low grove]

probally gonna expand brazil colombia and argentina

maybe more

[wind charm]

yea

[low grove]

brazil focus trees are never the best but im ready to see what their attempt is at brazil

[chrome nymph]

i hope its an all of south america update

not just brazil

[dapper fjord]

hopefully there's or they(bring back) the event something like "South American dreadnought race" pt.2 to the alt history :v

[visual willow]

Kind of has to be otherwise too little happens in SA

Lucky you can have them share most parts of the tree

[digital ice]

Can’t wait to spend more money on hoi dlc 😔🙈

[errant herald]

cant wait for uruguay focus tree

'do nothing' > 'battle of the river plate' > 'do nothing'

[young coyote]

finally a jungle themed optimalisation update

[still forum]

I never paid for any hoi dlc with my money they came out so slow you can afford it from just selling cs drop crates

I imagine south america countries will be 83839303737393038373738393837464393939374674x better than ethiopia

[visual willow]

Much x 0 is still 0

But yeah, unless it has super good mechanics i'd assume it's safe to skip

[opaque flare]

There's going to be a bunch of revanchist alt history BS with every nation trying to avenge the losses of 1830s-1860s.

Bolivia into Inca empire, too

Also, there used to be a separate Brazil - Chile - Argentina naval race before WW1, and there's definitely going to be a "resume naval race" focus.

[visual willow]

Can't wait for any non US alligned nation to not be able to expand because the US can just remove their guarentees!!! Or how they can't invade anyone as they need someone else's navy for naval dominance!!!

[crimson violet]

there literally is a map of south america don't worry

[opaque flare]

Can't wait for more nations to be added to the game that I'm not going to play as. Haven't played any trees in last 4 expansions.

[polar jasper]

I just want to do the Snakes on a Plane achievement again.

Now with 10x more focus tree

[plain lark]

and becaus of the jungle

[solid gyro]

man

im bored

i really wanna see a HOI4 DLC where they add RL units and templates

since a Infantry div consisted of other units

so it would feel MORE like ww2

[polar jasper]

That is what your support companies are for.

Infantry equipment represents more than just a rifle, same with support

[solid gyro]

alr

[graceful pendant]

yes

[graceful pendant]

nothing happens in south america

[graceful pendant]

am i blind 💀

[still forum]

Please add aztecs

I want to see roman-viking-aztec war over colonizing hawaii

But that's probably for other dlc though

They probably wont touch mexico

But still inca empire!!!

[graceful pendant]

ah yes

prussia is in russia

[still forum]

Will paradox ever rework france?

[opaque flare]

They already did it in LaR

[still forum]

yeah and rework this bad rework?

[opaque flare]

maybe along with a Middle East DLC

Also, "bad rework"? People were raving about that focus tree at the time

[full light]

France as England need that colonial units (skins) how Italy already has 🤞🏼.

[opaque flare]

yes, but it's not legal, and piracy discussions are not allowed here.

[still forum]

I've saw a lot of complaining on it when came out lol

Unlike spanish

The only hoi youtuber i watch complained on it back then as well

[quiet smelt]

The left wing path is good though

You get 20 millitary factories for free

IC wise you get more out of it than the right path before the war starts

And by the time the right path catches up, Germany is already dead

The default french focus tree slaps hard

[elder brook]

you need to do like 10 70 day focuses for that though

it's never worth it

if u mean the invest in colonies focuses

[dense gale]

its not u get 1939 prod cap in late 37 from right side and 39 conc

its better than the factories from left side france in every metric

thats why u never ever see left side france in mp games

because making ur mils better is always better than making more mils

market dynamism 10% effi cap and growth is also just too good

and where u get 20 mils from left side france give 8 mil and 4 civ

[fading heath]

Thats you problem you dont want to play whole game. Its like playing only Orcs in W3, only Terrans in SC2, only Britons in AoE2 and complaying they are also a lot of different races/civs, etc...
I would love to see a much more minors nations have focus trees. Whole South america, Iran, Iraq, Siam, Philipins, etc, etc. I would play them all!

[quiet smelt]

No

The millitary factory path

[quiet smelt]

I did the graphs, the total IC produced by the time the war starts is lower with the right path

No matter how much or how little you civ greed

Takes till late 1941/42 for the right path to actually become worth it in IC terms

By then the war with germany is over and you have all of its factories

[dense gale]

U must be doing it wrong

The consensus among everyone is right side produce more stuff

Because of 20% higher effi cap

20% effi cap beats out 8 mils

Like its a no brainer

[quiet smelt]

Efficency cap doesn't actually come into effect into real gameplay from the fact that early game you replace industrial production lines

Also its a lot more than 8 mills

Its closer to 20

[dense gale]

U clearly dont play much lmao

[quiet smelt]

I' literally a france main

[dense gale]

Effi cap is the most important thing in mo

Do u know conversion build?

[quiet smelt]

I know it, the left path gets you even more millitary factories

You can do conversions with the left path as well

You dont really care for civs as france since you expect to die in MP

And in the case you hold you already won

[dense gale]

Bo conversion build in terms of tank

U know where u build base heavy tank

And convert to hc2 td

[quiet smelt]

Ah yea, and then conver with better turret

[dense gale]

U need the effi cap for that

[quiet smelt]

Doing that on the right path is considerably worse because changing template reduces efficency

[dense gale]

Do u know about switch designs?

[quiet smelt]

And the cap wont actually reach the number required to beat out the more factories of the left path

[quiet smelt]

You dont get back 100% efficency

[dense gale]

While u still have higher effi than left

[quiet smelt]

Dispersed rushing with the bonuses helps but the left paths more factories do beat it out

[dense gale]

Because u wont hit cap as early

[dense gale]

France doesn’t do dispersed

They go conc

Because conversion

[quiet smelt]

It will be higher but the total IC produced wont beat out the 20 more factories of the left path

[dense gale]

U dont get 20 factories on left side

I counted

[quiet smelt]

Then you WONT have higher efficency with the right path from the loss of changing over production

[dense gale]

Its 8 mils

And 4 civs

[quiet smelt]

I'm opening the game to make sure

[dense gale]

Go check it out

[quiet smelt]

I dont know what you were counting

18 so its not quite 20

But still

[dense gale]

Reorganizing is 50 pp for each mil

Wtf are you on

[quiet smelt]

Dirgeism also gives civ to millitary conversion, which completely murders the right path in terms of IC before war produced if you preffer the safer playstyle of going full into millitary factories

[dense gale]

U know how late those mil are

U have 0.37 daily gain

And its 10% cg

[quiet smelt]

If you are playing france properly you will have full advisors, partial mob and have those factories built

[dense gale]

No u dont

Wtf are u on

[quiet smelt]

Honestly skill issue

[dense gale]

0.37 daily

Do the math

Even if u rush defensive strategem

[quiet smelt]

The first advisor you get doubles that

You always rush defensive strategems

You always rush defensive strategems

[dense gale]

Idk how dumb u are

U cant do pp guys

Because u need do army guy first

And than partial mob immediately

U physically cant fit pp

[quiet smelt]

France cant go partial mob immidietly because no war support

You've not played france if you think that

[dense gale]

What

Scw

U do that

Get 12.5 ws

And go partial

Are u like loss

[quiet smelt]

France starts with 10% war support, to get enough for partial you need 10% from a attache and 5% from world tension

A compotent axis can delay world tension reaching the required ammount for a long time

[dense gale]

Idk are u joking or what

Scw gives 12.5

From sending vols

U dont even need attache

[quiet smelt]

Wdym by "scw"

[dense gale]

Spanish civil war

Like u have to be joking

Grinding cav leader

Organizer

Panzer leader

Its no wonder u think left side is better

Ur pp order is all wronf

[small pike]

😭

[quiet smelt]

Just checked, SPCW doesn't give 12.5% war support base game

Nor the intervention focus

[small pike]

You play for post cap, france hold isnt feasible anyways

[dense gale]

It does

[dense gale]

Tf

[small pike]

You are just donating those factories to germany

[dense gale]

U want me to show that to you

U lose 25 stab

For 12.5 ws

[dense gale]

For fast game

Even left side is worse

[small pike]

True

Hes just not doing it correctly

[dense gale]

8 mil and 4 civ is nonsensical

[quiet smelt]

1. You live to make germanies life a living hell in MP
2. 90% of the playerbase plays SP where the extra IC of the left path before the wars tarts just lets you beat ai germany

[dense gale]

And he say the 50 po per mil

[dense gale]

No if u hold

U play to end the game

Tf are u talking bout

[quiet smelt]

Yea and its easier to hold with the left path because you have more IC lol

[small pike]

With left side you are donating to germany
Ill just run over you with 8 heavys in april 39

Its free eco for me

[quiet smelt]

also, idk where you get those 4 civs from

You must be playing modded

[dense gale]

Last part of left side france

[quiet smelt]

its all mills

[small pike]

I dont, i dunno who told you that

[dense gale]

Its 4 mil 4 civ

[quiet smelt]

I did the graphs, more total IC from the left path

[dense gale]

Are u the one playing modded lmao

[quiet smelt]

No

[dense gale]

Im gonna ss for u now

[small pike]

Show the graphs, claiming you did them when its wrong
doesnt help

I can claim that i did the maths to justify mid 40 civ cut too

Is that correct though?

[quiet smelt]

It was ages ago, gonna remake them rn

[small pike]

Invest in colonies is great for building slots

To keep building mills

[small pike]

He rushes stratgems for that sweet pp probaly

[dense gale]

like why lie

u lied bout the 12.5 ws thing too

like i main fast game france lmao

[quiet smelt]

xD I cant read properly

[dense gale]

i know france inside out

[quiet smelt]

Its not there for me

[dense gale]

u do

u need the pp for fast game

its just unfeasible to get enough pp to do all the 50 pp decision

[dense gale]

its in decisons

[quiet smelt]

-25% stab

[dense gale]

u need grind

for gens

and fast partial mob

is better

ur partial mob is a whole year later

u do know that right

because u still need do attache

[small pike]

You dont civil war till you get fall below 25%

Just keep stab and dont mess up lol

[dense gale]

yes u sit at 26%

[small pike]

Sadly you have to let the commies into government

:c

[dense gale]

like you see how expensive left side france is

50 to get rid of matignon

250 pp for 5 mil

right side france is alr pp tight

this is even worse

[dense gale]

and right side france leader gives 10% pp gain

And u give 10% consumer good each time u click it for 90 days or 60 day

That’s equivalent to building the mil urself lmao

[dense gale]

U said u did pp guy first lmao

[quiet smelt]

I was wrong

[dense gale]

Did u skip it after i told u

[quiet smelt]

yh

[dense gale]

Doesnt change the fact u got to grind

A no gen france would die to a Germany that did

[quiet smelt]

A germany that dies to a france is so bad they would have died if they grinded or not

[dense gale]

U do know panzer leader and cav gives attack right to tank and mech battalion

Thats a 10% stat buff

Also not considering german gen can be 8 attaxk or higher

[quiet smelt]

At the point a germany is losing against a france, they already were going to lose

[dense gale]

Not true

U saw dankus play in the commie cup

His team died in France

Not because they were alr going to die

[quiet smelt]

Very cleary it is because germany was bad

[dense gale]

Its because the france went all in

[dense gale]

The Germany is the best Germany player lmao

[quiet smelt]

I really doubt that

[dense gale]

Wym u doubt that

If i had the vod i show u

[quiet smelt]

I doubt he's the best player

If he lost to a france

[dense gale]

Because the strategy was to go all in on sov

Like u are the only franxe main that i know that dont grind in scw

Its the accepted consensus that u need to grind there

It happens in every mod

Vanilla or overhaul

[quiet smelt]

When testing the IC for the right path I'll go to war economy ur method

Do you convert civilian factories to millitaries?

[dense gale]

U dont because i dont build any civ