latest-updates

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Am? Pm? What time zone?

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am

est

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K

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just a guess

bba was ten

but theve been posting at nine mostly

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Luxembourg focus tree😎

[golden mist]

Nah Liberia 😎😎

[vocal pine]

Atlantic ocean focus tree

[golden mist]

Bruh that is the best option I would die if paradox doesn’t do the Atlantic

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Sounds good

But i still want benelux (in this case belgium+luxemburg) countries focus tree

[dull tundra]

me too

see you tomorrow morning!

[dull breach]

Nope, Liechstein Empire

[golden mist]

Nope, the Vatican

[torpid tide]

hello

[keen chasm]

Can't wait to balkanize scandinavia in the new dlc!

[torpid tide]

the new scandinavien dlc is gone be so good cant wait to play it

[keen chasm]

Pdx, please make at least one swedish focus related to ''grand strategy video games''

" Create Hearts of Iron: the Board Game " - Plus 2% War Support :')

[tranquil smelt]

hoi4 got updated today

[polar jasper]

Blucher was sunk by the Norwegians, not the Sweeds

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is that the next dlc?

[hushed steppe]

most likely from the video yes, but because i live in europe and hoi4 is american based (i think so atleast) it’s gonna take a while for it to release in my time zone sadly

[rain pasture]

Pdx is a Swedish company

[hushed steppe]

o

[hushed steppe]

thank you i did not know that 😭

surprisingly even with over 500+ hours i didn’t know

[lunar folio]

Also they would release at the exact same time anyways

[acoustic scaffold]

i want know too :v

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yeah I think it’s a Scandinavian dlc cause the buoy represents 9/4/40 starting the German invasion or Denmark and norgë

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Do anyone knows when the dlc release ?

[visual willow]

Probs in ~2 months

[loud pendant]

sometime after today

[visual willow]

Have you even seen the devdairies, likely too early for that

[quick barn]

There's a focus in the Chinese "Invite foreign investors" branch that is basically that

[odd sedge]

Well I was just pointing out that they had the wrong ship sinking

[hollow geyser]

ayo ive just seen the 7th june video

what does that mean

[crimson violet]

Most likely a scandinavia update/dlc

[hollow geyser]

UPDATE ?

TODAY ?

[crimson violet]

nah

[loud pendant]

no

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announcement

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Prob an announcement

[hollow geyser]

:C

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Not an update

[hollow geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[loud pendant]

DLC, probalby out in like 3 months

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Dlc next year

[visual willow]

Bit less i'd say

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April 9th

[visual willow]

Expecting an update now is madness lol

[hollow geyser]

why M

?

[tepid ibex]

Definitely not next year

[loud pendant]

probaly in like september or oktober

[crimson violet]

yea

like they usually do

[loud pendant]

yeah unfortunately they do that

pre order will start in like july sometime probably

[solid gyro]

Who knows

Keep your hopes low so you dont get dissapointed

[rain pasture]

My hopes are on Scandinavia with possibly German rework

[solid gyro]

My hopes are hoi4 celeb tournament

[tired acorn]

Idc about Scandinavia that much but German rework would be perfect

[serene furnace]

I mean yeah, I would see communist tree for Germany

[visual willow]

I wouldnt really bet on a germany rework though, would be a nice surprise though

[solid gyro]

I dont think germany is getting reworked , how would conpatability work?

A dlc that requires another dlc?

[visual willow]

You either get to choose the tree in the game rules, or the new tree just overrides it and you wouldnt need wtt at all

[crimson violet]

a dlc rework would be needed for germany and japan

[visual willow]

Or wtt gets freely updated

[visual willow]

It needs to happen for every pre nsb nation

[solid gyro]

Yeah

But it prob wont be inclouded in a dlc that comes out just a dlc rework

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what happened?

[crimson violet]

nothing yet

[visual willow]

Wdym

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Were talking about the teaser posted

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something is coming june 7th

[visual willow]

It's only 12:00 for pdx

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4 pm is about the right time i think

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what's pdx?

[rain pasture]

Paradox

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Finally we got something smart!

[tribal schooner]

If we're finally get a Finland tree, the Germans will probably need some extra focuses to draw them in

[visual willow]

Huh?

Why would that be needed

[tribal schooner]

For the continuation war

The Germans invaded via Finland too

[autumn salmon]

nah, they will just add decisions

[visual willow]

I'm pretty sure that was mostly finland's doing, not germany's

And even then, i wont consider 1 extra focus and maybe 1 decision to be a "rework"

[tribal schooner]

No not a rework, but it might be the excuse they need to rework the Germans too

And the interactions with Sweden throughout the war (assuming Swedent gets a tree with the other Scandanavians)

[visual willow]

They already have a good excuse

[tribal schooner]

Germany needs a solid rework and now is probably the best time since they've modernised all of their neighbours

[visual willow]

"As a pre NSB tree, this tree is dogshit and therefore is not in line with the quality of new trees we produce"

[tribal schooner]

Lmao I agree

But then they changed the air designer in BBA, so it would have been outdated again

Now is the best time, since all mechanics have been implemented

[visual willow]

Czechoslovakia, austria, benelux, 39 borders we have yugoslavia, hungary, i'm counting slovakia
All of those are by any means NOT modernised
France is on thin ice

[tribal schooner]

Soviets and Italy I meant

Which are probably Germany's biggest concerns. The UK still holds up fairly well too

[visual willow]

Only the industry/military side

The political tree is.... bare

[tribal schooner]

Czech and Austria are there to be annexed in historical, so I don't mind that they aren't fully up to scratch yet

[tribal schooner]

True but it gets the job done, doesn't hamper most playthroughs

[visual willow]

Same for the german tree

[tribal schooner]

It's definitely fallen off lately

The lack of effective air power focuses is suprising given their strength at war start historically

But first DLC post-BBA is the perfect chance to fix that. Maybe refine the armour focuses too while they're at it

[visual willow]

yeah, still "servicable"

just like the UK political tree

[tribal schooner]

They don't have unlimited manpower though

They have to focus on something

[visual willow]

next batch of war effort patches could very easily focus on having old trees be more compatible with new mechanics

[tribal schooner]

Are the war effort patches the free minor tweaks?

[visual willow]

yup

[tribal schooner]

I don't see them doing it just because they always add in 'free tree reworks' alongside paid DLCs

[visual willow]

it's not like you need such big changes

[tribal schooner]

But I don't see what takes them so long to update them, modders do them and make custom ones in no time

[visual willow]

it would likely be less effort then the canadain marxist subtree

[visual willow]

because theres just 1 or 2 guys making trees, 1 guy making fixes

it's a small team for hoi4

[tribal schooner]

Are the focus trees not relatively simply to update though? I understand the core mechanics being hard to code but not the focus trees

[visual willow]

they are that is why i said it will likely be a thing more for the war effor tpatches

[tribal schooner]

I think they should be, I just don't see them doing it

Its all about the $$

[visual willow]

in that case they would have never done the slight updates to the TFV trees

and guess what

they did

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im so hyped today

ngl

what time does dev diaries usually drop?

[lunar folio]

At none of your business o’clock

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🥶

[tall ridge]

holy shit

[ruby dust]

Will that what's coming be a nordic DLC perhap's?

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In 2 and a half hours

Most probably

[ruby dust]

idc what's coming but i have my credit card ready 😎

[solid gyro]

same

xD

I still my subscription

[ruby dust]

I thougth about buying the subscription few week's ago

[visual willow]

a devdairy for yes

the dlc itself is a stretch

[ruby dust]

Ok

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LESGOOOOOO

[dull tundra]

YYYYYEEEEESSS!!!

[scarlet scroll]

are they adding a equipment designer, I can't tell from the description

[golden mist]

woooo!

[wanton python]

no

what

wheres norway

[bronze stream]

Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden

it's there

[steel linden]

did you try scrolling more than once

[drifting dagger]

Paradox Finally Lost Humility

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YESSS

Swedish Empire Focus when?

Finland im guessing?

[steel linden]

good guess

[wanton python]

finland is no doubt the main character

[desert rover]

am i missing something?
2 trucks?

[solid gyro]

I say about damn time

[wanton python]

sniper vs stalin arm against tyranny

[visual willow]

i really hope BOP wont be as badly integrated as it was in BBA

[turbid furnace]

Another dlc? Who could have thought lol

[weak cape]

why does finland only have 1 starting spirit lmao

[odd sedge]

Probably will be more as development progresses

[vocal spire]

GUYYS WHEN DOES THIS DLC RELEASE??!

[dull tundra]

this autumn

[golden mist]

they said autumn so probably around October

[vocal spire]

omfg

gg

[solid gyro]

time to 1699 sweden

[visual willow]

i have a hunch that they indeed are

[steel linden]

To go back to an earlier dev diary, I have to giggle a bit.
One of the core design principles of HOI4 is that they'll never add money, but then I look at a chart like this for the international market and it feels like they're doing backflips to add money without actually calling it money.

[visual willow]

civs are practically money

[solid gyro]

nah

[tall ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDz7CwLvnIc

[visual willow]

counterargument:

[spare raft]

Achievement - Memories of the Hyperwar : "As Finland, nuke Seoul"

[plush geyser]

odd whats the new trailer about

[visual willow]

i'd rather have it be just "invade" not "nuke" so you dont have to boringly sit around doing nothing waiting for nukes to research

btw why is finland non-alligned? werent they democratic at the time lmfao

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2 trucks

[willow shoal]

They were kind of Democratic but them being Non-Aligned is accurate enough

[visual willow]

it's looking like a mod, good

[solid gyro]

still no dlc that adds the infantry equipment designer?

[visual willow]

as in they where qua military alliances non-alligned or they werent really that democratic

[visual willow]

luckily, no

no reason for an inf equipment designer

[willow shoal]

No one needs that level of mirco

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alr

[visual willow]

tanks planes and boats are fair because of the many things you can do with it

but like, what would inf do

[solid gyro]

well more breakthrough and penetration

[visual willow]

the current researches deo that perfectly

[prisma wing]

Finland army will be so op lmao

[willow shoal]

Add artillery to your templates

[visual willow]

finland's balance of "power" seems a bit better then the bba version

i assume you just want to keep it at 1 place which sounds better then whatever the flipflop politics happens in italy

anyways, i still do not get how the HELL this makes them non-alligned instead of democratic

the memes of non-alligned will only get bigger

they now encompass anarcho communists, monarchists, dictatorships, and democracies

istg that you can find fascists aswell somewhere that are "non alligned"

[vestal walrus]

I know it’s a long shot but if this dlc gives us some Ireland content I will die

[visual willow]

you'll live then

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LIBERAL OMHGHHGGFDGGGF KILL HIM !

[visual willow]

hmmmm no historical emblems of the finnish airforce, i wonder why...

[solid gyro]

isnt it a swastika

[visual willow]

jup

[velvet shuttle]

where middle tree

me want see

[pure valve]

Secret

[velvet shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-25423213

no

me want see

[pure valve]

I want to see too

[crimson violet]

Destroy all liberals

[visual willow]

most in detail "join the allies" focus tree:

[velvet shuttle]

where u get high quality tho

jokes aside

[visual willow]

scroll down lol

[velvet shuttle]

oh eh i suppose

yeah just wated to view whole thing better i suppose

😔

[visual willow]

FINNISH NORWAY IS REAL

FINNALY

I CAN GET GOOD BORDERS THERE

[velvet shuttle]

mfw

feesh

[visual willow]

imagine getting moscow but not leningrad

[jovial compass]

Why did i read "from the Soviet Unicorn"

[velvet shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[deep plover]

Sled

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-unicornio-unicorning-unicorn-thumbs-up-gif-15109783

[vast gorge]

Is the international market a part of the free update ? I hope so…

[dull tundra]

anyone like the artwork because i think it's amazing!

[dull tundra]

no i belive it's part of the expansion

[visual willow]

i think the market will be free but the designer designers will be paid

just a guess though

[visual willow]

there will be stuff in the free update

i guarentee you 1 of the big mechanics will atleast be mostly free

[dull tundra]

Stella Polaris update

[visual willow]

everyone will just call it the AAT update

[dull tundra]

your right

you excited?

[visual willow]

ig

[dull tundra]

wow

[sinful solar]

mostly 😭

[visual willow]

just get richer

[final widget]

so when new dlc comes out, how long will it take them to fix the bugs?

[visual willow]

depends whether they actually playtest it or have us playtest it like with BBA

[solid gyro]

This autumn

[frosty oak]

So Trotsky was in Norway in 1936, I wonder if we can get him in charge of Norway too

And maybe (hopefully) along with that a reworked mechanic to better show where Trotsky is and make it predictable when he will arrive in Mexico

Less RNG pls

[safe latch]

when will dlc release?

[frosty oak]

Says in Fall so maybe last week of September, early October? Could take until late November knowing my luck tho

Guess it depends on how detailed they wanna go with these military industry reworks

Or also if they plan on dumping a bunch of tweaks to other countries along with this update too

[past gull]

FINALLY NORDIC NATIONS FOCUS TREE

[subtle remnant]

i still waiting for south america focus tree

[frosty oak]

I wonder if they will rework how Iceland works, I’d appreciate if they made it to where they don’t join the Axis every third game on historical settings

[past gull]

Yes

Also

Germany needs rework

[frosty oak]

I want a Middle East and South East Asian rework

[subtle remnant]

iran forming persian empire omg thats good

[past gull]

Do not forget the Benelux

[frosty oak]

Yeah Europe could still use Ireland, Belgium, and Austria

[subtle remnant]

oh yeah luxembourg and belgium

[subtle remnant]

and luxembourg

[frosty oak]

I am completely ambivalent to Luxembourg, like the meme, can’t care less though

[quartz bronze]

What could Luxembourg actually do? They have no manpower

[frosty oak]

I would like Ireland tho, and it’s completely absurd that BBA didn’t come with Austria and LR didn’t come with Belgium

[subtle remnant]

idk for the memes

[quartz bronze]

Then they'd end up wasting a lot of time and resources developing a meme nation that could be used on developing an actual nation that matters

[frosty oak]

I can’t wait for the winter war rework above all though, I love minor wars more than even WWII itself

Only one left after this I can think of would be the war of 41 (South America rework please)

[quartz bronze]

Finland is gonna be absolutely cracked in the winter war

[subtle remnant]

but not better add this on April fools?

[keen chasm]

South America will probably get some focuses with a U.S. rework

[subtle remnant]

dont forget on liberian focus tree

xd

[keen chasm]

I mean, US focus tree sucks so..

[frosty oak]

I thought that said Iberian for a moment and was about to be like “bro it’s $20 and there’s probs gonna be a sale later this month”

[keen chasm]

U.S. and Japan have became the new "Italy and Soviet Union" with the bad trees XD

[visual willow]

not as badly

and like, neraly every pre nsb nation sucks

[frosty oak]

I don’t hate Japan, my biggest gripe with America is that I never bother with War Plans or half the military tree cause it’s all 70 days

[visual willow]

japan is just boring and bland

straight lines, not many focuses, not many interesting things either

[ashen sparrow]

Paradox discovering the balance of power mechanics

[torpid timber]

So the international market is part of the DLC and not a free update right?

It was vaugly worded

[keen chasm]

Apparently the international market will be free in the update

But, the MIOS dlc locked

[torpid timber]

Good

[keen chasm]

Uhh i can't confirm anything i just think that's how it will be

[frosty oak]

I would appreciate more flavor for Chinese collaboration governments, like making the Manchukuo AI do the focus to core all of China, maybe even the meme of Ottoman puppet ruling over Sinkiang, but more importantly I’d also like if they would make islands bigger for a more detailed war in the pacific, and a southeast Asian rework to bring flavor to that region would make me a happy Japan player

[torpid timber]

And I'm assuming the dlc will be $15 usd

[odd sedge]

Very optimistic of you

[frosty oak]

I wonder how hard AI Finland will fight when I play the soviets and go into the winter war

May make for a fun appetizer before Barbarossa

[visual willow]

not too hard probably

it's still AI

[frosty oak]

True

[odd sedge]

But the cost of invading Finland will probably go up significantly

[fluid scroll]

scandinavian dlc my norwegian blood is boiling

I'm also gonna drop a bomb on someone if Vidkun Quisling won't be the leader of the Norwegian Nationalist party

[odd sedge]

Same here

[solid gyro]

Paradox on their way to screw over mods by making the game more complicated

[visual willow]

Oh no!
Anyways

[frosty oak]

Is paradox just supposed to not update the game and leave it to mod makers only, like Bethesda?

[solid gyro]

Yes

[frosty oak]

Also hasn’t almost every update added tons of new back end stuff specifically for mod makers?

Forgive me if I’m wrong, I’m not a modder

[visual willow]

not really

a lot of new things have been quite great and modders wouldnt be able to make them

and imo most new trees are still better then the mod average soo

[frosty oak]

I was being sarcastic in saying paradox should pull a Bethesda and abandon their titles

[past cloud]

uhhmm in the Dev diary they messed it up ilmavoimat is finnish airforce and merivoimat is the finnish navy

and in the focuses

[solid gyro]

I bet it's gonna be 20 maybe 25

[solid gyro]

They have always done 20 euro so yeah

They got 4 countries coming though

[lunar folio]

Based on previous trends, this should fall in line with TfV or DoD-level DLC indicating about 24 NZD or roughly 15 USD

Nevermind it’a 16 NZD or 10 USD

[solid gyro]

10 usd is very low

[lunar folio]

But I can definitely see Paradox making it 20 USD…

[lunar folio]

I suppose, since it does have an entire designer

[solid gyro]

Until now 20 usd has been the standard

[lunar folio]

Only if the DLC has a major in it

TfV is 15 USD, DoD is 10 USD

[solid gyro]

Hmm

[lunar folio]

I personally think it should fall into that lower price category

[solid gyro]

Death or dishonour is old as shit

That’s why it’s so cheap

[lunar folio]

TfV is even older

[solid gyro]

Ye

[lunar folio]

And it’s pricier

[solid gyro]

More different focus trees

[lunar folio]

BftB is 10 USD, which is the most recent no-major DLC

So I think this will be about 15 USD

[solid gyro]

It’s not a dlc it’s a country pact

That’s what paradox says at least

[lunar folio]

That’s not what DLC means.

It’s not an expansion

[solid gyro]

Hm

[lunar folio]

I mean, I think it should be 15 USD but Paradox could easily juatify 20 USD because designer or something

[solid gyro]

My guess is 20 usd due to it having 4 countries and from the sneakpeak of Finland we have seen, pretty in depth with another designer it’s probably 20 usd

[lunar folio]

Yeah, my argument is mostly based on the lack of a major but as I saw with Stellaris there’s no set rules on pricing

So even though DLC without majors cost less in the past, it may still be 20 USD

[solid gyro]

I have played 2 paradox games and those are HoI4 and Cities and I have mostly seen 20 usd

[lunar folio]

Well most HOI4 DLC contain majors so

[solid gyro]

Major ≠ better focus tree

Japan is a major, Germany also

On release their focus trees were both 20

Now lowerd of course

[lunar folio]

I didn’t say they were better, just that they cost more

[solid gyro]

Hmm

We will see, I got to do some work rn

Bye

[lunar folio]

Alright bye

Btw Waking the Tiger has not decreased in price, it in-fact increased

[solid gyro]

did the dlc drop yet

[sinful solar]

whoever is in charge of making the DLCs

should be fired

almost all of the new ones have been awful

and most of the majors are also awful

[untold sequoia]

That's not very nice

[dull tundra]

nice job on the art devs1

[sinful solar]

im sorry but

lets be real here

the bulgaria focus tree

has more effort put into it

than the german and japanese focus trees

combined

[royal marten]

Me when suojeluskunta became a fascist militia: 🗿

[solid gyro]

the german focus tree is older than my grandma

[royal marten]

What

[solid gyro]

isnt german tree 6 years old

i think they updated it sense, but i think the base is something like that

[dull tundra]

theve gotten a ton better over the years

[solid gyro]

but its all just free wargoals and some factories

even china and spain have more heart put into it

[royal marten]

German tree is fine but the age shows when you compare it to newer ones

[solid gyro]

eh, ig for a starter country, but it should have something more than big army=free land

[royal marten]

Germany should be the tutorial country

[solid gyro]

i thought the power struggle for the ss was a good idea, but it has litterally no use to me in all my germany playthroughs

like what if there was a seperate path where, idk, the ss takes over, or the generals cabnet, if you start loosing to the russians?

[royal marten]

Ss takeover sounds cool i guess

[solid gyro]

or litterally anything... anything at this point paradox pls

[royal marten]

Our cries for an updated germany will once more be ignored

Ethiopia got a focus tree so im pretty sure they dont take inspiration for new dlcs from reading discord

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[untold sequoia]

By all means critique the content, that's fair; perhaps drop the demands for firing people because they didn't meet your expectations.

[hollow lion]

other people liked most of them

[sinful solar]

Their expectations are low

[solid gyro]

The lack of a communist path is so stupid

[sinful solar]

You’re right I should be more specific

The Bulgaria focus tree is one of the few trees done right

it allows players to choose which path they want to go down on multiple separate occassions

side with the monarchists, or the fascists, or the communists?

while at the same time

choosing one of these

doesn’t lock your gameplay for the rest of the game

you can still proclaim a bulgarian empire

you can still switch ideologies

another major reason i think its done well is because it gives players a reason to actually play singleplayer

[solid gyro]

Sorry but I don’t see democratic Germany declaring the greater German reich

[sinful solar]

players can reform past glories

they can gain cores through conquest

whereas other focus trees

don’t give you any motivation to do anything original

[solid gyro]

Why would a democratic Canada want to conquer the USA

[sinful solar]

they just force you to join the axis or the allies

[sinful solar]

you really can’t think of a reason?

[solid gyro]

Xanada and the USA were on good terms

I don’t see any great reason

[sinful solar]

perhaps they want to unite the americas

peacefully

which would require a political game

[solid gyro]

Why would they want to

[sinful solar]

that could last years

[sinful solar]

why would they want to unite north america?

are you kidding?

[solid gyro]

A countries goal isn’t to expand rapidly

It’s to protect its people

[sinful solar]

unification is not rapid expansion

and countries have different goals

[solid gyro]

Canada would have the goal of uniting North America

The USA maybe with an other leader

[sinful solar]

yes democratically

[solid gyro]

But not Canada

[sinful solar]

alternatively if the united states decides to go down another path

[solid gyro]

Good luck convincing the Mexicans to be lead by Canadians

[sinful solar]

the canadians would have a reason

to go to war

[solid gyro]

Yea

[sinful solar]

to secure their continental security

[solid gyro]

A war of liberation

Not conquest

[sinful solar]

or… conquest, for the sake of continental security

democracies have done it many times before.

[solid gyro]

When the coalition attacked napoleonic France their goal was to put the king into power

[sinful solar]

good for them

[solid gyro]

Any examples?

[sinful solar]

countless

[solid gyro]

Gimme some

[sinful solar]

the US taking florida from the spanish

[solid gyro]

That was a purchase

[sinful solar]

no

the US kicking the spanish out of the americas

puppeting the phillipines

[solid gyro]

Nah

[sinful solar]

taking the pacific islands

[solid gyro]

💀💀💀💀

[sinful solar]

holding the panama canal

[solid gyro]

That’s another war man

[sinful solar]

all of it done

for the sake of continental security

[solid gyro]

I say you said that was Spanish

[sinful solar]

no

[crimson violet]

Only reason possible is vancouver

ez

[sinful solar]

we got panama canal by sponsoring a panamian revolution

from the columbians

[solid gyro]

Yea

That was for economic reasons

Not for continental security

[sinful solar]

umm

the two are one in the same

[solid gyro]

Nah bro

Providing wealth to your people is different then taking over Mexico man

[sinful solar]

holding the panama canal assures that foreign powers cannot get around the caribbean without america’s approval

you’re getting far too tangential though

this is not even close to the point

[solid gyro]

Monitor doctrine

Monroe

[sinful solar]

the point is

these focus trees

have so much potential

and in the end they’re just so dry

[solid gyro]

I agree

Old ones

Are trash

[sinful solar]

even the one’s with multiple paths

theres only one real outcome

no matter what path

you play as japan? you have literally nothing to do except war with the allies

(or maybe the soviets)

[solid gyro]

No?

[sinful solar]

you play as germany

literally nothing to do

[solid gyro]

Democratic Japan

[sinful solar]

all germany can do

is war with the soviets

or war with the allies

[sinful solar]

democratic japan doesn’t do anything

you just sit there

[solid gyro]

True

[sinful solar]

and exist

nobody fights you

[solid gyro]

Puppets from Europeans tho

[sinful solar]

?

[solid gyro]

You can steal Indonesia and Malaysia I believe

No war needed

[sinful solar]

yea…

point stands

as both japan and germany

no matter what path you choose

the outcome is the same

same with russia

you either go to war with the axis or the allies

or both

never any variation

[solid gyro]

True

[sinful solar]

no matter what path you choose

[solid gyro]

What would you want from them then

You can say you don’t like it but got any alternatives

[sinful solar]

most focus trees need to be reworked

to give

players

[solid gyro]

True

[sinful solar]

an insentive

to actually play

by giving them

[solid gyro]

Yes

[sinful solar]

multiple outcomes

so

for germany

i think if you choose to go monarchist

other countries focus trees should change accordingly

[solid gyro]

Nah bro

[sinful solar]

one of the major problems

with the monarchist germany tree

is that it ends up being the same outcome as nazi germany

the soviets should be willing to compromise with you

and the allies should be more inclined to appeasement

so that you have more options

similar story for most focus trees

outcome never changes

the question of how to fix this is a little more complex

i think this can be fixed by allowing more factions to form

its always axis or allies or comintern

we need to see more factions happen more often

perhaps a latin union faction

between spain, italy, and romania

perhaps when this nordic DLC releases

we could see a nordic faction form more often

this way

majors who want to go about expanding territorially

or redrawing the borders through puppeteering

will have more fun

fighting unpredictably formed factions

rather than just fighting either the axis or the allies every single time

similar to how whenever japan attacks china, the chinese united front forms.

@untold sequoia there you go

problem: always the same outcome no matter what path you go down

solution: more factions form more often

nordic faction, latin faction, maybe even balkan federation

not much change even required to the focus trees

[untold sequoia]

And this is pretty constructive - thank you. I think the difficulty is how open-ended you value the simulation being. It's a general problem with what focus trees are that mean it's difficult to have an authored narrative experience that also enable a dynamic, evolving gamestate. As things stand now, all the edge cases and different directions country A can go, have to be accounted for explicitly in country B's focus tree.

It isn't impossible to go some of the way, and I think broadly speaking we prefer newer trees to try and do that. The ones you mention as dissatisfying above are among the older generation of focus trees, and thus have a more dated design philosophy.

Ultimately it boils down to a balance between a player story driven by authored focus trees vs a player story driven by gameplay systems producing a procedural narrative. HOI(4) is definitely more of the former than the latter, and I don't expect that will change during the game's lifetime.

[umbral delta]

crazy how different beginning hoi4 dlcs like together for victory for victory compared to by blood alone or no step back.

[royal marten]

There has been a lot of improvement

[untold sequoia]

It's also interesting to remember that the fan perception of focus trees in the early days was extremely negative, to the point where it was hard to justify spending a lot of time on them.

They only really became their own thing after the game had matured for a couple of years.

[royal marten]

So that’s the reason why earlier trees are so insignificant and forgettable compared to the newer ones then

[untold sequoia]

Partly? New content systems have a way of taking a few releases to find their own identity. The same was true of mission trees we added to EU & Imperator, focus trees in HOI, and I expect also for the balance of power system too.

The very early focus trees had hardly any attempt at alt-history, for example

[sinful solar]

I agree, I personally think the Bulgaria focus tree is awesome, as well as the ethiopian one

[visual willow]

and poland

[sinful solar]

Yeah the poland one is good but

Lets be real here

Poland still never survives

against the majors

[royal marten]

There are good old trees and bad new trees

[visual willow]

if you're playing them you likely ally with 1 side or appease them, and then they have imo one of if not the best tree ingame

[umbral delta]

I think death or dishonor is very meh: with them all have small to medium focus trees

[sinful solar]

Yeah so I think you summed it up well arheo but like i said its just a matter of making some other countries focus trees respond to others @untold sequoia

[austere patio]

Do we know if the International Market is going to be a free or paid feature?

[sinful solar]

Paid obviously

nothing is free around here

[visual willow]

kinda hard with althist options though

[sinful solar]

thats true

its hard

i agree

[royal marten]

Almost impossible more like

[sinful solar]

but it is something that can be done

not impossible

its as simple as starting somewhere

consider the hungarian focus tree

[royal marten]

There are so many althist paths in the game and if they all have to interact with eachother

[sinful solar]

if hungary goes monarchist

and germany goes fascist

if germany invades hungary and puppets them

their focus tree should swap

from monarchist to fascist

[visual willow]

not what i imagined when you said "other countries focus trees respond to others" but yeah

[sinful solar]

same for any cross-ideology puppeting

cause you play germany and get stuck with all your neighbors going down shitty focus trees

it ruins ur game

many such cases as many such countries

[visual willow]

"deforming" formables should also be a thing then

[sinful solar]

wym

[visual willow]

like if hungary forms austria-hungary

and you take all the AH land from them

they remain AH

[sinful solar]

ohh

yea

[visual willow]

despite being hungary

[frosty oak]

i want them to allow formables to be done even as puppets, i want to have fun and mega powerful puppets as germany or the soviet union or whatever

[sinful solar]

truth

[visual willow]

some dont make sense

[frosty oak]

especialy germany, more reichscomisartiats please

[sinful solar]

id like if japan could make manchukuo core all of china as a puppet

[frosty oak]

THIS i brought that up earlier

[visual willow]

pretty sure none are technically missing rn

[frosty oak]

thats fair, i mispoke

[royal marten]

More reichskomissariats needed

[frosty oak]

did you know fascist japan puppeting the chukchi over in far eastern siberia will name it the Bering Strait Autonomous Zone?

[visual willow]

for fantasy RKS that werent even conceived the best i could see happenning is having them be more "procedural" if that is the right word
"reichskommisariat (country name in german localisation)"

[frosty oak]

that would be fun

[sinful solar]

did not know that

[royal marten]

Yes give the player the full generalpan ost larp

[frosty oak]

i need to make a whole post on suggestions asking for nation specific puppet names, like playing any China, puppeting the vladivostok sfr, and it being named Outer Manchuria would be fun

[royal marten]

Should they be decisions instead of puppets made trough peace deals?

[frosty oak]

no i prefer puppets in peace deals when they already exist as releasable tags, but thats me being greedy and wanting to steal everyone's civilian economy and resources as war reparations

[fallow gulch]

Thanks for Including us, Paradox ❤️

[paper estuary]

That's where you miss the point
It was never about the people, it was always about conquering to benefit the companies

[paper estuary]

I don't think there has to be an "appropriate" reason, as long as it's somewhat logical (to the game's own logic and historical context) and fun.
There was defenitely no way whatsoever a return of the Byzantine Empire was a possibility in the 30s or 40s, but it can be somewhat logical in the game and surely it can be fun

[sinful solar]

yea

[solid gyro]

I beated the allies as germany and it's still 1939. How should I attack the soviets?

[frosty oak]

wrong channel? but build up an even bigger army, put it on the border, set general orders, and click go lol, soviet AI with no allied support usually eats rocks and dies

[sly condor]

They didn’t mention any german rework does that mean no german rework?

[polar jasper]

Is Germany Nordic?

No

[sinful solar]

(Yes It Is)

[polar jasper]

Wait huh, germanic tribes now nordic?

Were the Nordic countries germanic tribes?

Is this a square and rectangle thing

[sinful solar]

germanic tribes were always nordic

vikings mixed with the germanic tribes extensively throughout the viking period

resulting in a large nordic influence

add onto that the fact that they literally bordered eachother for hundreds of years

north germans are fairly nordic as far as DNA goes

south germans much less

[polar jasper]

Okay, guess i was wrong

[sinful solar]

germany isnt nordic geographically

but north germans are somewhat nordic

as far as ethnicity

[polar jasper]

Okay, geographically they aren't Nordic but DNA somewhat

Almost as if Europe shares a lot of common DNA markers...

[sinful solar]

prob no germany update tho

😭

[sinful solar]

uhh yeah duh they’re all the same

[polar jasper]

Germany doesn't need an update for now, maybe more flavor though

[strange elm]

Finally we got Nordic update

[dim urchin]

yes and belive it ornot around 3 months ago i said i think the next dlc should have some thing to do with the nordic countrys

[sage bough]

most are indo european but there are some uralic groups, then there r the turks and basque

[visual willow]

The vikings interacted with everyone on the coast

[tribal schooner]

I think they need a fix for their air focuses to match BBA at least

[royal marten]

Did anyone else notice that in the new dev diary about finlands focus tree the first air and navy focus are wrong

Air force has merivoimat and the navy has ilmavoimat focus

[hollow lion]

known bug

[polar sierra]

reichskommisariat moskau and kaukakus please

[river verge]

nordic dlc?

[polar sierra]

dunno

[visual willow]

they already are a thing

[jaunty yacht]

Anyone else thinks that the Finland focus tree has a very similar feeling to the Mexican one?

[wheat cargo]

no not really

[visual willow]

puppet georgia and the soviet union as germany, lower russia's autonomy by 1 and tell me what you see

[glass oar]

Why to the Mexican one?

I think that all Scandinavian focus three will have similar parts/ways as Baltic focus three.

And one question about gun market will be that mechanics same to mechanics in Millennium Dawn (but with fabrics instead of money)?

[odd sedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1447nxd/more_countries_might_be_getting_spotlights_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

[sinful solar]

great now they just need an asia rework

siam focus tree, japan tree rework, china tree rework, manchukuo fix, maybe even a mongolia tree

[visual willow]

lol "just"

[crimson violet]

With this dlc

they added a focus tree to every country with an impact to the war

I hope they'll start to rework older ones from now

[visual willow]

siam, some south american countries, iran arguably

[muted stump]

South America should be last lol

[visual willow]

didnt say they had to get trees but it's not all countries with impact

[muted stump]

Should get British Malaya before Messiland

[visual willow]

south america has limited potentional

[dapper skiff]

I wonder, who are these people? I presume its norwegian soldiers

Altought the norwegian uniform did not look like that at all

[amber marten]

Battle of Dombås?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dombås

[muted stump]

Speaking of Norway I hope they make a reference to the battle of Narvik

First Allied major victory before the fall of France

[dapper skiff]

Oh yeah that would be nice

[dapper skiff]

Oh yes thats probably it, thanks!

I also wonder how they will make danish tree interesting, considering they were quite against nazi rule even after capitulation the historical part could be interesting.

[vapid bluff]

Another power struggle thing? Come on...........

[sinful solar]

the new power struggle system should be implemented into old focus trees that have power struggles

such as bulgaria or greece

[harsh hull]

What people say they want: China and Japan reworks
What they actually want without knowing it: Mengkukuo focus tree to restore the Mongolian Empire

Not Mongolia like you'd expect

That tiny little Sino-Mongolian puppet state, master of all Asia

[solid gyro]

No

Tanna Tuva focus tree >>>>>>

[muted stump]

When a paradox game is announced, always pretend the release date is years later because that’s when the game is any good to play

[dull tundra]

iceland focus tree?

[solid gyro]

Am I the only one who thinks Finland is going to be a bit OP

[polar jasper]

They will only have a small but strong army

[solid gyro]

Like I’m sorry, but this is the most broken thing I’ve think I’ve seen a focus do outside of Prussia of the Balkans

[polar jasper]

Finland probably won't have the greatest industry, so I think that balances it out

[solid gyro]

This is still incredibly broken

Their focus tree is just….holy shit

I get that we haven’t seen it fully, and things can change

But just looking at it, it makes Prussia of the Balkans pale in comparison to what Finland can do

[polar jasper]

Idk what 100% piercing mean, probably like double the piercing you already have

[paper estuary]

This is all WIP, values are still up to change
Hopefully they will tweak any excesses

[polar jasper]

Pretty sure the stats are sky high so a soviet player against the ai suffers against the finns

[lyric falcon]

i feel they should of gotten a tree in together for victory. i dont know why they didnt

[lunar folio]

It's reasonable that they didn't. Malaya doesn't exactly do much

[timber locust]

I mean they have rubber

But otherwise yeah they don’t do much

[muted stump]

It would get pretty bad buffs to explain the fall of singapore 💀

[lunar folio]

Wouldn't that need to apply to Britain though, since it's mostly their troops

[solid gyro]

How do people view the national focuses on the unreleased DLCs?

[sinful solar]

i think it looks good so far

however

one issue

the focuses mostly seem to be 70 day focuses

considering the winter war starts early

i feel like theres gonna be a bit of an issue

with timing

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[sinful solar]

i.e you potentially wont have enough time

to hit any of the good focuses

[solid gyro]

But how do I view the focuses

Cause it’s still in development

[sinful solar]

oh

you mean like

actually see them

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[sinful solar]

uhh i think the youtubers got ahold of it

bittersteel did for sure

[solid gyro]

Oh ok

[sinful solar]

he did a vid on it

[paper estuary]

South America has as much potential as Middle East, maybe even a little more:

• The two largest nations in ME are Iran and Saudi Arabia, both have mostly oil to offer in terms of resources, maybe a few other resources (like chromium), and the latter's population is pretty low (two populations combined, in 1939, was around 17 million, Saudi Arabia alone was just 2,5 million); other independent countries are Iraq, Yemen, Oman, and Afghanistan (the latter only if it is accounted for in a possible ME expansion); rest of ME are colonies.
• South America has 9 nations, region is overwhemingly independent (exceptions are the Guyanas); total region population around 85 million, a lot of possible resources (should have more minerals and more rubber).
• Iran, largest ME nation, with 14 million population in 1939, has oil (needs more) and should have chromium; was basically invaded by British and Soviet armies, so that was the WW2 involvement (direct and active involvement definitely has to be a possibility).
• Brazil on the other hand, largest SA nation, had a large population (around 40 million in 1939) and should have lots of resources (more rubber, steel and aluminium); had direct participation in the war, sent troops to fight against Axis in Europe (historical participation was rather low, a bit under 26K soldiers -- technically, though, contribution was higher than Mexico's, who got a great Focus Tree in MtG).
• ME expansion might have the chance of changing Egypt into a British puppet at game start (historically accurate), which would add one more playable big nation to the ME.
• Both regions' countries would likely play pendularly between Allies or Axis, or just fight over supremacy in their own regions, or maybe establish their own factions with their own interests; Countries of both regions might use their international trade and diplomacy in order to develop and/or militarize themselves as well as use the World War in favor of their own interests.

[visual willow]

If SA gets trees they should all get trees at once though, the region isnt interesting enough to have multiple dlcs nor should really be split up

[plain elm]

We release developer diarys on the forum ^^

[nimble torrent]

I know it would be hard to market as a DLC but do you lads think it's possible pdx is going to work on actually improving the ai in the next updates? I don't want to sound like a jerk but it's been seven years now, and the ai can't properly handle multiple fronts in a war, division templates or not mass assaulting against my frontlines
Would it be perhaps possible to utilize some form of machine learning to "train" the ai?

[hollow lion]

no

the AI code thats available is too basic to train it on certain specific scenarios Id think

[nimble torrent]

oh well, thanks for answering at least
gonna start inhaling hopium for hoi5 i guess

[glossy spoke]

ah i just imagined that with UK having better ai, it will probably spam more naval landings and just be more annoying than soviet union xd

[nimble torrent]

but that would be good, right?
imagine a proper ai that does proper naval invasions
you'd actually have to invest into a westwall and keeping a part of the airforce in france to counter bombings

[wheat cargo]

Doubt that hoi5 is coming in the next 5 years

hoi4 is still the most played paradox game so why would you actually need a hoi5?

[visual willow]

it's called an improvement, so yes

[nimble torrent]

oh yeah i was just saying it as in "whenever hoi5 happens"
don't really think it would be a smart move for pdx to start working on it for the near future at least

[paper estuary]

Totally fair
No point in givin SA so much flavor
A single expansion, probably with unique trees for bigger SA nations and new "generic" for smaller nations, could be awesome

[umbral delta]

hoi4 is running out of content that can be sold, its what keeps people coming back, while its growing popularity a lot of that success can be attributed to keeping the players interested. While they can do rereworks after max another 3 more dlcs after the Nordics (if they really were devoted to giving SA, Middle East, and South Asia focus trees.) Paradox saying they are going to rerework DLC would probably cause controversey, to the previous dlc owners of the first rework and how they would go about rereworks.

also while hoi4 doesn't really need a hoi5, the dlcs market is definetely getting bloated

[dull tundra]

what's this about greenland and iceland trees

[visual willow]

I mean, dod and tfv's trees are so utterly terrible that a new dlc that gives them trees is practically their "first" go of trees

[visual willow]

What about it

It likely wont be anything that grand, like the ethiopia releasables trees

[royal marten]

Hoi4 will receive new dlc as long as people keep buying

[mellow marsh]

The only point I can make in favour of South American content is that Mexico's alt-history paths are fun. Otherwise there are only two interesting countries in the entire Americas within the setting of the game.

Besides, there are other priorities after the Nordic countries get content. South East Asia, the Middle East and North Africa and even a guerrilla warfare system to make Yugoslavia and the East African campaigns fit closer with historical events.

[visual willow]

Pan spanish americanism

[mellow marsh]

Would it be worth a country pack to flesh out existing alt-history like Gran Colombia and the United States of Central America? The more I think about it, the more I doubt it.

[visual willow]

If ALL of them are in 1 pack i'm more neutral to it, and probably not central america but purely south america

[umbral delta]

I just think a middle east and south america dlc is going to be a VERY VERY hard sell

[paper estuary]

We peoples of the third world crave game content centered around ourselves

[paper estuary]

I can see another opportunity to improve the game, aside from adding unique content into SA (like Mexico's case):
It might be an opportunity to "nerf" United States, since a SA expansion would be located in western hemisphere: US and SA suffered somewhat jointly the maluses of the Great Depression since their economies were so intertwined; it may be an opportunity to give a bigger economic challenge to the US and to let SA nations play this situation in favor of their development; the US should begin more economically dependent on SA nations (rubber and aluminium from Brazil, oil from Venezuela, steel from Chile, factory production granted from selling to SA nations, etc.), so if SA nations decide to turn their backs on USA, it should hit the latter hard.

[rocky topaz]

When's the next sale

[muted stump]

as always

DO NOT PREORDER

[olive peak]

nah always preorder get the bonuses

[muted stump]

there's a reason why they give the bonuses

[olive peak]

nah fr tho i need it day one for multiplayer otherwise people should wait

[muted stump]

don't you know you can play the dlcs in multiplayer if the host has it?

[lunar folio]

He probably is the host

[olive peak]

well yeah but you gotta test all the new stuff out

[rocky topaz]

Bruh I said sale not pre order

[umbral delta]

Late June, summer sale

[muted stump]

yeah but you just reminded me of it

[umbral delta]

hoi is in my opinion in a strange state, usually paradox games get like 7-8 dlcs but this game is very popular and I don't see it getting a sequel anytime soon.

[harsh hull]

I just want more releasable tags, honestly

It's not a proper endgame HOI4 run until I release all my puppets and look at all the pretty colors on the map

[nimble torrent]

i feel like as long as the engine problems are not debilitating the devs will probably try to pump out a bit more content
but it is also true that they are kinda running out of stuff to add and sell i guess? So maybe the next step is small reworks for free and paid country expansions (like the turkey dlc), which kinda don't sell as well as big dlc's that add content for all nations so yeah

[lunar folio]

Stellaris has had dramatic improvements without going to a new version of the engine so HOI4 should be able to have some improvements as well

[nimble torrent]

what do you ppl reckon are going to be the next dlc mechanics about? We pretty much have all the designers possible now
Tank, air, navy and company designer
Maybe they will add a better law system with some sort of "development" mechanic? Kinda like tno and PaxBrit and whatnot

[lunar folio]

Well, we have to consider what the countries might be

And for that we have 3 very distinct areas

South America, Middle East (the one I want), and South-east Asia

[nimble torrent]

damn i totally forgor about SEA
eh, maybe the devs can still milk a few big dlc's i guess

[lunar folio]

South-east Asia might have that law system you mentioned, since they had quite dramatic resistance against Japan and then afterwards, Europe
Middle East could possibly be about political manouvreing and allow for democracies to justify war (So that we can actually invade Iraq and Iran historically...)
Not sure for South Ameria

[nimble torrent]

maybe South America gets an internal influence mechanic or something? Maybe a special forces rework cause of the forests/mountains and brazil?

[lunar folio]

Yeah, possibly. Making special forces matter more would also work well with the concept of sending small groups of soldiers far far away

[muted stump]

I still think south east asia should be first, considering they had the most impact on ww2 out of the three

That and a japan rework would be nice

[lunar folio]

I do too, but then again, potential is also a strong consideration. And I think of all of them, Middle East has the most potential

South America is just... awful to fight in. And South-East Asia is too domineered by foreigners. Any war will trigger a war with everyone

[muted stump]

Though, out of all this, the baltics should've been last 💀

[lunar folio]

I mean they were pretty good for being the Baltivs

And it was pretty thematic. If anytime the Baltics got trees, it would have been with the USSR

[nimble torrent]

eh, feel like they can prolly squeeze that in tbh
they'd have to make focus trees for:
Vietnam (prolly cambodia and laos get smol generic ones)
Dutch east indies
British Malaya
Siam
Burma (again smol generic tree)
Eh, i feel confident they can do a good job

[nimble torrent]

nah man
switzerland

the baltic relatively makes sense

[muted stump]

Hey, China got content alongside Germany in the same dlc 💀

[lunar folio]

They'd probs do a 'French Indochina' thing instead of individual trees for all of them

[nimble torrent]

yeah meant that as vietnam sry
maybe the constituents get trees like the ethiopia releasables

[lunar folio]

Yeah, Walking the Tiger was odd. It was like "Heehoo East Asia gets content and huzzah"
"Oh and Germany's there as well"

[muted stump]

My ethincity bias cutting in here to hope for them to add Japanese korea

[lunar folio]

I doubt it, but you can keep hoping

[nimble torrent]

i feel like if they want to appeal to more players they'll prolly do a middle east one?

[lunar folio]

I think South America would be the best bet if they just wanted more players

[nimble torrent]

yeah man imma be real with you
doubt that's gonna happen
but hey, kaiserreich and kaiserredux have cool trees i think?

[muted stump]

Kid named Portugese takeover Brazil

[nimble torrent]

also somewhere the devs prolly need to squeeze a doctrine rework i think?

[muted stump]

I remember in a mod that gave Brazil a focus tree

We were playing that in multiplayer and I just so happened to be playing portugal

[nimble torrent]

and i guess, since i heard they want to add it, south america could have the armored car designer? realistically their armies employed them cause no money so it kinda makes sense?

[lunar folio]

Well I bloody hope so

[muted stump]

Than despite a player playing a brazil, I completely got rid of them after a few focuses 💀

i think it's rt56

[nimble torrent]

i hope they take notes from BlackIce and World Ablaze in how to make doctrines tbh
i love their way of doing it

[lunar folio]

How did the Brazil player feel

[muted stump]

very suprised

Yeah I wonder how paradox would fix that if they added a south america dlc

[lunar folio]

Based on their track record, they wont

[muted stump]

The portugese focus tree lets you start a civil war in Brazil, if y'all didn't know

than you can annex and core it

[nimble torrent]

paradox fix?
nah man that's up to us

we still waiting for the italian balance of power fix right?

the one where if you lose a province in the mainland you start getting close to a civil war and does not stop even if you retake the tile and even form the friggin roman empire

[muted stump]

Remember when paradox put out a poll on which set of dlcs they should put on sale?

They really trolled us on that one

Making the next dlc based on a democratic process would be such a good idea

[lunar folio]

Maybe democracies wouldn't just be 'hurdur we good guys'

[muted stump]

I mean democracy in real life 💀

[solid gyro]

true

there should be an actual elections system

instead of "change leader and get bonuses"

[solid gyro]

why post tno here

[solid gyro]

[zealous sable]

When will that dlc come

[clever pilot]

November

like every DLC

[paper estuary]

Yo, it's probably a big stretch
But what if this new expansion called "Arms Against Tyranny" ends up adding unique trees for Austria and Albania?
Even if just rather small ones, but to give those nations some opportunity to fight back against invasions from Germany and Italy respectively

At least I feel like it would be in tone with the DLC's proposal, and might even be somewhat similar to what devs might be going to do with Denmark – either stand down and let troops walk in or resist the invasion and hinder/delay the plans of the invaders even if you're doomed to lose

[polar jasper]

Albania and Austria could fit in a little battle for the bosphorous like dlc, but they are not Nordic and the steam page does not mention either

Also you can already fight back as the Austrians and Albanians, the default focus tree is better than nothing and can let you somewhat rush nukes and aircraft

[paper estuary]

Yeah, up until now I used to think of a smaller dlc that would center around Austria, Albania and Belgium
But, well, who knows
This new thought just popped on my mind considering the whole theme of the new expansion announced

[paper estuary]

Lol Albania go into nuclear arms race

[visual willow]

Albania has no potentional, an ok default tree for all nations would give them the most benefit possible

Like what would you want to do?

"Demand kosovo" and just be told no?

"Join italy" which would just be an AI focus which makes italy save up on a focus?

That's pretty much it

[lunar folio]

Obviously Albania is the descendants of Illyrians and Illyria is basically Croatia and Croatia became part of Yugoslavia so they should become Yugoslavia but Yugoslavia was also going to unify the Balkans so Albania should get all of the Balkans and the Balkans are a major power of Europe so really they should get foci to establish dominion over Europe

[spice pendant]

Albania has as much potential as the baltic states

[visual willow]

The baltics have 3 big things, just uniting it, polish-lithuania, and finno ugra
Name me atleast 2 things albania is in the position to do

[spice pendant]

Ancient larp(thraco-dacia,illyria,etc),uniting the balkans, greater albania(parts of yugoslavia+epirus)

[visual willow]

Ancient larp would make no sense as there arent really any ties apart from "in the region"
Albania wasnt in the position nor hsd the interest of uniting the balkans unlike bulgaria and yugo
Kosovo as 1 focus sure, epirus i'm not sure has much reason apart from "is near albania" because iirc it was basically just greek

A revised default tree with 1 or 2 extra focuses would be more then enough

[spice pendant]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania

[spice pendant]

1.There were a lot of crazy theories about the origins of the albanian people at the time

Given their uniqueness

[visual willow]

That really just looks like "f it we just want everything around us"

[spice pendant]

That’s nationalism for ya

Also the regions did have

Very big

Albanian communities

At the time

Even tho they were pretty much in the minority

[visual willow]

Northern montenegro?

[spice pendant]

?

[spice pendant]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cham_Albanians

[visual willow]

The parts between montenegro and serbia

[spice pendant]

What are you asking me?

[spice pendant]

And iirc albanians are like

The descendents of illyrians

[visual willow]

That they where even there

[visual willow]

Bssically everyone in the balkans are

If they reworked the default focus tree i could see 1, 2 or maaaybe 3 focuses for "greater albania"

.... but tbf kosovo should be a core from the start anyways and such

So eh

Maybe a "formable" if you control a few of those states which will only change your name

[spice pendant]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Montenegro

[spice pendant]

Pretty sure the cosmetic tag is already in the game

Italy can support albanian irredentism

Which is what they did irl

[visual willow]

But at the end of the day there isnt much, MUCH less then the baltics as they can atleast do things with eachother

With albania you max have like

Invading AI greece

[spice pendant]

(The number was much higher in 1936)

[spice pendant]

Eh like

Ethiopia got a tree

And its only purpose is to be a roadbump for italy

[lunar folio]

If Ethiopia is a roadbump, Albania is dried-up gum on the road

[visual willow]

Even ethiopia has more potentional

A closer example of albania would be unironically luxembourg

[spice pendant]

2.Albanian communists were interested in a balkan federation

[visual willow]

Best you can do is demand land from your neighbour who will stomp you unless they are AI

And you can propose to unite, but the others will at best laugh at you because of which country you are

[spice pendant]

They might not be “in the position” to achieve it,but neither is ethiopia in the position to unite africa nor is hungary in the position to restore ah

You could like

Boost communism in other countries

[lunar folio]

If Albania tried to conquer another country the other country would probably end up dominating Albania

[visual willow]

I mean

With the communist path for ethiopia

Even if you play it perfectly it takes till 58 or so to unite africa

[spice pendant]

Until 1976

Iirc

[visual willow]

Ah, even worse

Ok so yeah fair

[spice pendant]

And that’s assuming you get perfect rng

[visual willow]

Albania should be able to unify the balkans.... if you play till 68 then

[lunar folio]

Also I like how you semi unironically used this to justify Albania tree

[spice pendant]

Illyria isn’t “just croatia”

[visual willow]

Hungary came from siberian mongolic tribes so obviously hungary should be able to revive the mongol empire and core all of siberia

[lunar folio]

Almost like I'm making a satirical argument with no basis in actual historical content

[spice pendant]

Turan moment

[spice pendant]

I hate how inconsistent paradox is on cores

Like

The ussr can’t core the baltics

Or western ukraine

Or western belarus

But turkey can core siberia and lithuania can core crimea

[visual willow]

Yeah it's dumb, more cores ingame should be replaced sith compliance boosts and maybe some coring if compliance os high

[spice pendant]

I kind of understand why it’s done?

[visual willow]

Unless it was rt56 i could in my game

[spice pendant]

Like lithuania wouldn’t be able to do anything

Without the extra cores

[visual willow]

But it wasnt becausr of my focus but because of poland's focus to accept the move west

[spice pendant]

They did that with poland-lithuania

If you try forming it via decisions

You need 80 compliance

[visual willow]

Yup, which is pretty good if there was a compliance boost

[spice pendant]

Which I doubt you’ll even be able to get

[visual willow]

Rn it's a bit too headachy

[spice pendant]

Since you get no compliance gain boost

[hollow lion]

Bulgaria and Yugoslavia as well later

[solid gyro]

so annoying

[paper estuary]

Maybe the same could be said of Switzerland, of the Baltic nations, of Denmark...
Yet, they all getting their unique content
It's fun having different things to do with different nations, even if it's a handful of stuff

[visual willow]

It takes a lack of eyes to not see those nations having much more potentional then albania

Albania is much more comparable then luxembourg then those

[high summit]

When does Arms against tyranny come out

[lusty rampart]

77.77.2077

[high summit]

[elder brook]

does anyone know when the new dlc will come out? like

are we talking weeks, months?

[visual willow]

months

[solid gyro]

they say autumn

[solid gyro]

autumn

or fall

[muted stump]

Aren’t they literally following the BBA schedule

The reveal trailers for both are on both June 7

[elder brook]

oh man D:

[crystal spindle]

Bully the Italian ai

[visual willow]

That's not a focus

[crystal spindle]

Italy can puppet yugo which has Kosovo

Which has alot of Albanians

Maybe they annex montenegro for a fascist path

[visual willow]

Ok.... and?

[harsh hull]

I believe they've confused "Baltic" and "Balkan"

[alpine wagon]

what was the 10mb update today guys?

[frigid ridge]

Good afternoon, tell me if there are approximate release dates for the new DLS?

[elder brook]

Not trying to be negative or anything but I swear some modder could make this update in a week, why make us wait so long :C

I want my sweden focus tree NOW

[polar jasper]

Devs are making an entire international arms market you know

They better make the neutrality act for the US completely limit the US having access to it until the lend lease act for historical reasons.

If I remember correctly, a part of the neutrality is not being able to sell arms to countries

Also I do know the Czechs sold a ton of weaponry and they could possibly update their arms export focus to where they gain more civs or something like that

[elder brook]

still, someone could do that in a week, people are crazy xd

[glossy jungle]

If a mod is buggy, people don't play the mod, if the game is buggy and broken, they review bomb the dlc and stop playing the game

they have to optimize it for all systems

[visual willow]

bba showed this pretty good

[glossy jungle]

yeah